Mel Kiper Mock Draft 2.0
by David Fucillo on Feb 17, 2010 5:07 PM PST
in NFL Draft
Email
PrintJust about a month ago, Mel Kiper posted his first mock draft, in which he had the 49ers grabbing OT Trent Williams and S Earl Thomas. While folks may disagree on the players, it certainly fills two areas of need. Offensive tackle has been discussed ad nauseum, while the secondary could use some help alongside Dashon Goldson.
Earlier today, Mel laid out his "pre-combine" mock draft. What's changed since then? Well, the Senior Bowl. And I suppose Mel's mind has changed since then, sometimes in rather considerable ways. Whereas 1.0 had the 49ers grabbing Earl Thomas, this time around Thomas has dropped out of the first round entirely. Anybody have thoughts on why that is? Because Mel certainly doesn't say why. I find this particularly interesting because in his top 5 at each position, Mel ranks Thomas #2 and Taylor Mays #3 among safeties, and yet he has Mays going #24 to the Eagles. Is it based on different skill sets they bring to the table? I'm not really sure.
Anyways, on to the 49ers two picks, with Mel's insight:
#13: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Kiper: In Spiller, the 49ers can add a player who complements Frank Gore in a way I don't think Glen Coffee can. Spiller is a home run threat and should spell Gore and diversify the offense. He also provides an upgrade in the return game.
#16: Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Kiper: Considering how good Williams is, even at a position that normally doesn't draw high-to-mid first-round picks, getting him here would be of solid value. Williams could step in immediately at right tackle, and the 49ers would upgrade up front.
55 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Where did Bulaga go?
I’ve only heard bad things about Williams..sadly. He’s been pretty much linked to us, but its always bad things.
Bulaga went 23rd to the Packers. O-linemen after the 49ers Williams pick:
#18: G Mike Iupati
#23: Bulaga
#27: OT Bruce Campbell
#30: G/C Maurkice Pouncey
by David Fucillo on Feb 17, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
I Don't Want Trent Williams
he is a bust in the making and to take him above Bulaga or Campbell would be a huge mistake!!! Iupati is a projected guard in the NFL so taking him 13th or 16th would be too high, trade down and pick up the remaining tackle in the early-mid 20’s.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Trading down wouldn’t be so bad.
At one time…one for a very short time I heard rumors of the 49ers moving up to the 3 spot. I’ve got no idea what that would be about. Maybe for Okung.
It Would Be For Berry
but that would be completely foolish. I can easily see the 49ers trading down to the 22nd pick pick (with NE) and picking up one of the Pats three 2nd round picks.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
They have three 2nd round picks, in terms of value we would get their final 2nd round pick (54th overall) as well as their 22nd pick. They would in turn get the 13th pick to select a Dez Bryant type player that won’t be available at 22. It all depends on what New England perceives it’s needs to be and if it is WR i see them making that deal without much of a problem. FYI we may have to throw in a 5th round pick or something for the value board to work out
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
If they plan on staying on top
they will need as many picks as they can get their hands on
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
The Pats
will already have two 1st and two 2nd round picks in 2011. I can see them making this deal if they are directly targeting a player that wont be available at 22 and where the drop off is big. Just a theory i am throwing out there. What about the 16th pick for the Bucs two 2nd round picks? Or are we not getting enough value?
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
They don't deal with that half of the draft.
As often as they have avoided those contracts, why would they indulge and only have ot wait one more season to have the Raiders pick and their own first rounder? Then you have to llok at the istory, they love 2nd round picks. Dez bryant? Why would they want him? If they move up it’s for the trenches, and I don’t see anyone in the draft they would be missing out on, or anyone that wouldn’t fall to that pick. They may trade back to get another 2nd and do what they do best. They need defense, not another WR.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Blah, Eric Berry.
2 first rounders for a FS when we can draft the 2nd best 11 picks later?
That would be stupid.
Not if the second best is not worth the 13th pick.
Berry will fall past the 3rd unless the Bucs make the deal for Dorsey (LOL)
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
This.
Earl Thomas isn’t worth a top 20 pick (forgive me, Mack Brown for speaking ill of a Longhorn).
Poor tackler, slender frame (raises concerns on durability at the NFL level). I feel like Michael Huff was, by far and away, more talented coming out of Texas than Earl Thomas. Huff hasn’t made an impact…I can’t say that Thomas will be the same, but I’d be shying away for Thomas when you can grab a Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett in round 2.
Agreed
First off i am going to say this right now, Nate Allen is the 2nd best safety in the draft!!!! And to get him in the 2nd round would be craziness, so trading two 1st round picks for Berry would be plain stupid. Though the drop off between Berry and Allen might be big, it’s not enough to warrant trading two 1st rounders rather then just spending a 2nd on Allen.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Depends I don’t think we have to trade both 1st if Berry falls to 5.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 17, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
That's your opinion I guess, and of course you are entitled to it.
Berry is leagues better than the 2nd safety in the draft regardless of who it is. Trading the picks would not be stupid unless you only got him in return.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Williams is least likely to succeed playing at LT but most think he will be an excellent RT . . . just teams don’t target RT in the 1st round. Well the 49ers are desperate enough. An improved RT settles down the QB, RG and allows the rest of the offense to start flowing.
Wouldn’t a guy like Bulaga be better than a guy like Williams?
Since I’m not that huge into CFB, I can only go off of what I read…and I’ve read really good things about what Buluga can do.
The knock on Bulaga is
A) he might not have the reach to play LT
B) he might not have that much upside, some see him as already finished product.
Everything I’ve heard in the last two days have Bulaga likely going in the Top 10, there will be a huge run on OTs and most have him ranked #2 or #3.
Arm Length?
I could care less is his arms are a few inches shorter than desirable as long as he can get his butt off of the line of scrimmage and move someone, unlike a certain turnstile we know, Snyder, cough, cough
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
Earl Thomas
because while he is above average in coverage, he is below average in run support. That is speculation of course but it is the only reason I can think of off hand. I still believe he will be a 1st rounder despite what Kiper is saying though. He may change his mind again.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Agreed
There is always a couple of trades within the 1st two rounds and this year is no different. Tampa Bay will trade down and so will Buffalo if neither QB falls to 9, both those swaps completely rearrange the landscape of the 1st round. Also i am not set that the 49ers are going to stay pat either, i think they will trade down to the late 1st and pick up a 2nd.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really like mocks that predict trades
Especially in an early mock like this there is just no realistic way to figure what teams are going to be willing to move around. There is no logical way to predict trades this far out from the draft so trying to do so seems like wasted effort to me, it would all be random guess work and rather pointless.
All I look for in a mock this early is solid effort to gauge the stock of players and a cursory knowledge of what positions teams will be looking for.
You Are Correct
But it is hard for me to do a legit mock draft when i know teams will not be selecting as currently slotted. I would rather invoke a little of my knowledge, create a couple trades and go from there. Tampa Bay most likely will not draft Eric Berry at #3 but any team trading up to #3 will do that with the idea of drafting Berry. Also we know that 2 QB’s are going to go in the top ten, but if a team like Minnesota trades up to 5 then Seattle may be left out in the cold. It’s all a projection game right now, yet it is still fun
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Mock Drafts are just that !
I was reading my E-mail from NFL newsletter and Analyst Bucky Brooks Mock Draft has Eric Berry falling to us @ 13th. Now, I wish that was true, But I’m not going to believe it. He has us picking Lupati at 16th. He also has C.J Spiller @ 14th to Seattle. I’ve have seen him as high as 5th and low at 10th, depending on who you believe. Right now, I agree with Diego and nocal81. It’s all junk but fun to read.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 18, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think kiper said “hey all the mock drafts have the 49ers taking spiller so i might as well do it since its the cool thing to do”
49ers are the best there was the best there is and the best there ever will be
by swagger on Feb 17, 2010 6:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't mind Kiper's picks...
Spiller + Lineman will win me over.
As for Earl Thomas, he’s a bit overrated. He’s good at coverage, but he’s a hinderance in the run game. There’s a question about his durability due to his slender frame. I honestly thought another year in Austin would’ve elevated his game.
Michael Huff (Raiders and former UT FS) was a better prospect coming out of school and he hasn’t done a whole lot. I’m not saying Thomas will be like that, but I can’t see him making a 1st round impact.
I agree
But not with Trent Williams as the lineman. He’s got versatility, but seems to have some issues with his blocking skills that make him questionable as a mid-first round pick. I’d rather trade down the 16th/17th pick so we can have some options.
That's why I said lineman...
cause I want Brian Bulaga but could accept Campbell or Charles Brown (if we trade back). Williams would be alright…if he were picked up later in the round.
I Want Spiller
The perfect 49ers draft would be
1. Dez Bryant
1. CJ Spiller
2. Nate Allen
3. Perrish Cox
4.George Selvie
The problem with that is that we need offensive line help, at least one guard or tackle in the 1st.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah wouldn't we love to see a bunch of skill players selected.
I know I would, of course it’s hardly ever realistic.
No that isn't perfect. Another WR from the first round? I decline.
Now the rest of your picks look good and Selvie in the 4th is waaaay off and not posible. So I am assuming that this is a fantasy mock.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
You really think Bryant will be there?
Don’t get me wrong I would love him I just see him going way earlier
Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!
Dez Bryant will not be a top 10 pick
I’ll be shocked.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
See
this is why i am happy fans don’t make the draft picks. Bulaga, Davis, Campbell, Williams or Iupati are not the sexiest 1st round picks, but they are what we need!!!. Well maybe not Williams LOL
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 17, 2010 9:57 PM PST reply actions
LeGarrette Blount
Wrong running back
It was LaMichael James who replaced Blount after Blount’s suspension that was arrested
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Whoops.
link?
Is it something in the water perhaps?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Apparently
Here’s the link from Sports Illustrated.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/02/17/oregon-james.ap/index.html
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
What a… (fill in the blank)…
Good thing no one will have to waste a draft pick on that. He just killed his career permanently
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
The Bengals might take a chance on him. ;)
"Alex Smith doesn't inspire the Offensive Line to play well." - Random Troll on Post-Game Thread
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 18, 2010 1:59 AM PST up reply actions
Why is everybody hating on Coffee?
He has only played one year behind a terrible offensive line, and even Gore had trouble this year somewhat. Coffee also dominated in the preseason. Therefore I am not sold on him not being a sufficient backup to Frank, remember it took Frank more than 1 year and Norv Turner to burst onto the scene. All Coffee has had was 1 year and Jimmy Raye, so I believe we should still give him a chance. However Spiller’s diversity, explosiveness, and especially return skills are much needed, but I am a little hesitant to draft a RB so early. You can find a good KR in the later rounds.
Spiller
Is more than just a kick returner. He will be able to be a Percy Harvin type player, and that’s what the niners need to have one of the most dynamic offenses (minus our middling QB situation) in the league. 10 touches a game on offense and the opposing D will always have to account for him when he’s on field.
Personally, I am happy with the Coffee selection last year. Frank can be the workhorse for now and keep Coffee fresh so when Frank declines, we have his replacement on the roster.
Just to throw this out there, I already saw a 2011 mock that had the niners taking RB’s in the first and second round. That’s pretty ridiculous.
by 9thevolution on Feb 18, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
Everybody is a big word
I personally think Coffee didn’t have all that bad a 1st season, and in all likelihood will show significant progression next season. However, I don’t know if he will become the additional feared back that we need to keep the offense effective. When you think about it, Gore was likely the main reason why the offense ticked at all. Spiller almost immediately brings in so much more to what we already have and that extra fear factor (I use the term loosely) that we will need if Alex doesn’t finally show that he will be this team’s QB. But yes, we can find good KR/PR’s in later rounds. Which is why I feel like if the OL we’re looking for is gone by the 16/17th pick, it may be a good thing to trade down to give us some options. The OL and S we need should be there in the late 1st & 2nd round.
Earl Thomas and Trent Williams
I think Mel has Thomas dropping out of the 1st round due to size. Teams that typically invest a 1st round pick into a Safety look for the total package at that position (size, speed and performance). Thomas seems to have the performance aspect of it but lacks in size.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Peyton Manning’s face on all 32 NFL logos
- Todd Haley could be in for a bumpy ride in Pittsburgh
- Alex Smith caddied for Jim Harbaugh at AT&T Pro-Am
- Boston (in) Common: Kevin Youkilis set to marry Tom Brady’s sister
- Giants to be honored with commemorative NY license plate; some would rather see a 9/11 plate
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
