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A look at Statistical Analysis.... without Stats!!

"I'm gonna take a (site decorum)" - Vincent Vega

"That's a little bit more information than I needed Vince, but go right ahead" - Mia Wallace


When I was a kid, I used to collect baseball cards. I would wash my Father's car to get some spare change in his pocket to go play Asteroids at the local convenience store, and while I was there, I bought a pack of cards that were easier to chew on than the stick of gum that was packaged with it. The back of those cards had a list of a bunch of numbers that I never considered relevant at the time. The only thing to me that had tangible value was the stick of gum. My gauge of the value of the pack of cards was based upon the chewabilty of the sugary goodness (there is nothing like the smell of a freshly opened pack of baseball cards) than the cards themselves. I never got into the obsession with baseball cards, and threw all of them away months later being that the only value to me at the time was the gum. Without realizing it, I was also throwing away information. That information was the player's statistics, which I didn't care much about at the time, and never thought I would use. That is, until I grew up and found the Internet. Now I can immerse myself into a whole quagmire of data, trying to make sense of it all. But the question is, is this more information than I need?

Star-divide

Hopefully, Florida Danny and smileyman aren't ready to browbeat me after reading the opener. I already see their fingers wagging at me as I write this. I would not dare to venture into their realm of study because I have no real clue of how to make sense of most of it. I'm not discounting the value of it either. Even before I found Niners Nation, I discovered the prolific work of Football Outsiders after reading an article about Paraag Marathe. What intrigued me most about the article was Marathe's belief in the Brave New World of football data, and how it applied to a football team. Marathe then was a chief architect in the rebuild of the 49ers, and his use of stats were part of it. The same week the article been published, Ralph Barbieri had none other than Billy "Moneyball" Beane as a co-host. Now I had to call in. My question to Beane was how "Maratheball" would work in the NFL. Beane didn't really have an answer to it, other than saying he thought Marathe was a bright young guy. I was left wondering "what the hell does Football Outsiders have to do with, well, football???". After spending a few days browsing the site, I gave up and went back into the cave to hibernate from the Brave New World. I was happy just being a layman as far as a fan. The Brave New World was cold, confusing, and it had way more information than I needed.

Until................................. now.

Crawling out of the cave and back onto the Super Highway of information, I found as a sports fan that stats were something missing from my experience as one. Those numbers on the back of those baseball cards actually were useful if I had a deeper understanding of the game. What I didn't realize that I was using stats while teeing it off at the local Muni course. I also didn't realize that keeping track of my individual stats would help me improve. Well, I didn't improve much due to other things than stats, yet at least I had a gauge to work with. In fact, the more I became aware of statistics, I also became aware of the probabilities. I realized that mostly anything that I do can be measured in a statistic, like say, a trip to Trader Joe's will in all probability mean consumption of a few pints of Guinness bought from there. Now look at me. I've become a "walking statistic", which isn't considered a Term of Endearment. Maybe it's safer in the cave after all.

The use of statistics in sports has always been the "Game within the game", and now people who endeavor in this science are finding new ways to analyze and weigh data so we can have a more thorough understanding of them. The thing is, it may never be a complete science, and it will evolve more due to sports itself evolving over a period of time. One person's metric can be tweaked by another. Data is always challenged and improved upon. Even when in use here, one either believes it, or they dismiss it. That goes to something more personal than data, either agreeing with it because it aligns with what you know, or you disagree with it because it tells you something that you don't want to know. Data is subjective due to how we see it, even though the proof is in the pudding. Stats are used in raging debates, like this Kobe vs. Lebron debate that continues to be endless with no real point to it. There has been plenty of heated discussions while using and misusing stats here, and even those who dismiss stats in a discussion inadvertently winds up using them to prove a point. What stats tell us is what happened, how, and what could happen. There is no real way to avoid stats. We might just have to sit here and deal with them from now on, right?

Or................................wrong?

The probability of leaving a perishable item out of the 'fridge for an extended period of time usually means it will spoil, and not be consumable. Pretty simple, right? Let's make it even more simple. If it smells bad, don't eat it. If it looks rotten, throw it away. I don't need a whole study to figure that out. I just know what I see and smell as good to me. If you like rotten food, that's good too. It's your choice. If you have your reason's for liking Quarterback A over Quarterback B, more power to you. We don't have to over analyze everything in life, and sometimes, just sitting back and having a hot dog with the kids at the ballpark is all we really need out of sports. Sure stats help us understand our world around us, but there are times when I need to shut out the statistical noise, just so I can enjoy the simple things around me. But at least I have resources to help me understand them. It's really up to me on how I use them, or not use them.

Sometimes I have to remind myself that it's just a game.


note: Just a quick shout out to all of the Stat guys who do great work here. I'm not abandoning youse, so put that finger away.

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I wish the NFL had MORE advanced stats...

Kinda like baseball and basketball do.

However, nice read. Thank you.

by Owner on Feb 18, 2010 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

Lebron is better...

…Laker fans need to put down the crack pipe.

If it looks rotten, throw it away.

People get food poisoning all the time from food that looks and smells just fine. Just sayin’…

by Bigmouth on Feb 18, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

That's how some people post their blogs...

… flip over a Topps or Fleer trading card and copy the stats on the back! No, statistics aren’t everything but its like reading odometers on a bunch of cars. However, there are differences in Hondas, Toyotas, Fords, GMs, BMWs, etc…

Actually, talking about the differences between cars is easier— they are just machines.

When it come to debating about human beings… it gets very complex.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

Sure stats help us understand our world around us, but there are times when I need to shut out the statistical noise, just so I can enjoy the simple things around me. But at least I have resources to help me understand them. It’s really up to me on how I use them, or not use them.

This is the most salient thing that I think I’ve seen anybody say who doesn’t have a personal investment, however casual, in statistics.

I get extremely frustrated when I see people denounce the usefulness of statistics for understanding sports. The argument always seems to be, “stats are universally without worth.” It’s flabbergasting. You get somebody who doesn’t understand statistics or who doesn’t need or want statistics to enjoy the sport, or who doesn’t know how to apply statistics, and they conclude that the use of statistics is WRONG. Period. End of discussion.

Statistics in sports help us understand what we see with our eyes. They help us understand what we think we see with our eyes. They help us think differently about things that we see with our eyes that we don’t understand.

And some people – most people, probably – just don’t have the time, energy, inclination or interest to be bothered by it. Like I said, that’s great. Whatever you do to enjoy the game, do it.

But understanding that the world of statistics is useful for others, if not for you, is the link that is almost universally lacking whenever a stats discussion gets underway, and you’ve captured that understanding clearly and concisely in your post. I don’t think anybody can blame you for not wanting to deal with this stuff. Some of it is insane. You just like the game. You just want to watch. I can’t blame you for that. I could have blamed you if you wanted to apply what makes you enjoy the game to what makes me enjoy the game, but you don’t do that. So there’s no room for criticism.

Good post.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

Most importantly...

…statistical analysis separates which statistics are meaningful and which are merely noise. There’s a whole world of what I’d call “statistical entrepreneurs” — e.g., agents, reporters, etc. — who use statistics selectively to rationalize whatever result they want. The goal of advanced stats is to cut through the BS so we can focus on those metrics that actually correlate with success.

To build on the food spoilage analogy, most “sell by” on food are total nonsense. They give the appearance of scientific validity, but not the reality. The goal of statistical analysis is to determine when stats are being used like “sell by” dates to obscure rather than illuminate.

by Bigmouth on Feb 18, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, statistically you can do things to avoid food spoilage. If you leave meat on the counter and it spoils, stats suggest (nay, dictate) that if you had refrigerated or even frozen said meat, you would still be able to eat it. Of course, common sense also tells us this. Which is great. But…

Wait…

I fear this is running down a strange tangent, now. I will not pursue the perishable food analogy further.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I still value stats...

In fact, when I see people misuse them by just focusing on something like passer rating without further qualification, I tend to get bent out of shape a bit. I know when a person is tweaking stats for their own personal benefit, therefore misleading the truth of what actually happened. But the cool thing is, people like yourself, bignerd, as well as our de-facto stat experts call that out. I get stats, but most of the time while reading say, one of Danny’s articles, all I really want to know is his bottom line. I put a lot of trust in what he writes, and even Danny can say that I’ve disagreed with a lot of stuff in the past, but I never, ever, demean his work. I also can never truly challenge it. I either agree, or disagree.

Part of what I’m also saying is that a person like me who has discovered this type of analysis on their own, yet doesn’t use this as a practice, still has a voice, no matter our depth of expertise on the subject. When I look at a quarterback for example, it’s pretty clear to me where his strengths and weaknesses lie, and those things effect the offense as whole. Now, stats can address those in detail, and even surprise us, but it also can show inconsistencies that align to what we see. In the end, it still shows me that the 49ers for example still have issues at quarterback, which is something I’ve known all along, but never could mathematically qualify it.

At least these things help educate us. Not having any use for stat analysis isn’t necessarily a bad thing. The bad thing is demeaning those who are trying to help shed some light by using data. You can dismiss the data on your own. Killing the messenger isn’t the way to do it.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Feb 19, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

stats post

I love the timing of this coming immediately after Danny’s latest treatise on special teams stats.

by David Fucillo on Feb 18, 2010 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

I enjoy reading stats

Just for the fun of it. Besides, it does have interesting info about your teams strengths and faults.

by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 18, 2010 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

I believe it was Mark Twain who said …There are lies and then there are damned lies and then worst of all there are statistics.
When I see some fans writing posts about how this statistic or that statistic shows that alex smith is a good QB,then I know that stats can be used to prove any lie you want to promote ,lol.
Stats can be usefull at times,but take them with a grain of salt . And if you watch a player (like smith for instance) ,who you see with your own eyes is never going to be anything special,have decent stats in a game or two ,then you have proof that stats lie as often as they tell you usefull information. Trust your eyes over stats when it comes to judging football players.

by TIM___ on Feb 18, 2010 6:08 PM PST reply actions  

Nobody has ever used stats to show that Alex Smith is a good quarterback. The most anyone has ever done is try to show that he could be. Also, that he’s better than Shaun Hill. Both of which are obvious even without stats. Your post is invalid.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for this drummer
Sure stats help us understand our world around us, but there are times when I need to shut out the statistical noise, just so I can enjoy the simple things around me. But at least I have resources to help me understand them. It’s really up to me on how I use them, or not use them.

Much as I love statistics (and I really do even though I hate math), sometimes it’s easy to lose sight of the forest because of all the trees.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 18, 2010 6:09 PM PST reply actions  

But it’s not losing sight of the forest. It’s just a different way to look at the forest. I mean, honestly, nothing has made me appreciate watching sports – with my EYES – as much as learning about the stats has. Other people don’t have that same reaction. For me, the stats make the trees more vibrant and the forest more beautiful. For others stats make the forest look dull and gray.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And then there's folks like me...

The angry logger that enjoys cutting down those vibrant trees just to watch them fall.

The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.

by Drew Kerr on Feb 18, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Where does that leave me?

Am I the crazed environmentalist that pisses off the logger?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 20, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

To recall on a drunken e-mail I sent you...

“or that the statistics haven’t caught up to the true realities of football despite the new found ways of creating data to weigh the game.”

Or was it you I sent that to?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Feb 19, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe it was

and yes, I agree. Statistics and football is a relatively new marriage and the kinks are still being worked out.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 19, 2010 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Cool...

I thought I may have sent that to a “Women Seeking Men” on Craigslist. The odds, due to the probability of too many Jack and Cokes while posting something like that, statistically won’t be in favor to the reply I’m aiming for if I had.

Unless she was a stat geek.

That can be pretty hot.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Feb 19, 2010 2:00 AM PST up reply actions  

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