Official NFL Scouting Combine Discussion Thread
by Drew K on Feb 28, 2010 7:47 AM PST
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For the folks who enjoy crazy 40 times, and for those folks intrigued by the likes of CJ Spiller, Toby Garhart, and numerous potential punt and kick return men, today might be the biggest day of the combine. The running backs, wide receivers and quarterbacks get to workout.
The NFL Network will be airing coverage starting at 8am pacific time. Since we've got this open thread for the Combine, I thought I'd move it to the front page for folks to discuss today's workouts.
One player who needs a decent 40 time to boost his draft stock has to be Garhart. He's a bulldozer who would seem to need to show even a modicum of additional speed at this point.
In the meantime, we've got a few Combine links for you. The NFL has a variety of combine videos worth checking out. Additionally, SB Nation has managed to get credentials for a few of our bloggers. Peter Bean (UT blogger) provided this extensive update yesterday. Additionally folks from our Texans blog, Chiefs blog, Bengals blog, and Titans blog were all in attendance. So check those sites out for some additional coverage.
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH -- I don't really have much to say on the Combine yet because not much has happened yet (as far as drills are concerned). Some of the interviews and mental tests have started to take place but scouts aren't going to do much judging on how a player holds their pencils.
The purpose of this thread is to bring ALL combine discussions in to one place. Once we start getting some of the actual physical performance results, I will be adding those and updating them as they come in. Much llike smileyman is doing with the free agent transactions, I will try and do the same with this specific thread.
Coach Singletary was interviewed this morning on NFL Network and as usual kept things pretty vague in terms of giving any answers or providing us fans any insight as to what may be going on behind the scenes.
Getting this out now, will give us chance to jump start the conversations before the physical performances. One of the main topics that the sporting networks have been talking about are the lack of quarterbacks who are deciding not to throw. Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, and now Dan LeFevour have all decided not to throw in the drills and throw at their Pro Days instead. With the exception of Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen, I think the other quarterbacks should be throwing; especially Tim Tebow. I believe if you get an invite to the Combine and decide to go, you should be made to participate in ALL events, not just pick and choose the ones you think you may do the best at.
COMBINE RESULTS (CLICK HERE)
Author's Note: As the comments begin to fill up, I wanted to remove all the links to the individual players as it will slow the thread down a bit. If you click the link above, it will open a seperate window and take you to the results page. Thanks for your participation in this thread.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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They said he had short arms...
Apparently 1 inch behind another 49ers potential draft pick in Williams is a HUGE difference?
I can understand the 3 with Campbell, but just 1 from Williams to Bulaga doesn’t make much sense.
Is arm length really that big of a deal?
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 25, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Its one of the things i dont like about all the combine hype
They will take any little thing and blow it up. But yes, the general rule of thumb for linemen is the longer the arms the better. They get their hands/lock in to the defender sooner when they have longer reach.
p.s. This is especially important for Tackles btw.
Because of all the outside/speed rushers that they see in the NFL.
Still not going to be something that makes or breaks a player
A guy who measures 2 inches shorter on his arm span is not going to lose draft stock because of that. He might lose draft stock if he doesn’t do well on his drills and the coaches look at the game film again.
The only way I can see body measurements affecting draft position is if you’ve got a couple of players who are really ranked closely together on your board and then you go with the guys who you like better.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
If he faces a DE with a longer reach than him, it can have a significant impact though. If the DE gets his hands on the tackle first, its easier for him to manipulate the Tackle in whatever direction he wants at that point. So I think that averages and “arm length” actually are a pretty significant measurable.
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If the DE beats you in then you need to be looking at footwork and technique
Those are far more important than arm length, especially since these guys will all be wearing shoulder pads that will affect how long their “effective” reach is.
I’d love to see them do all these measurements with pads on and see what the results are.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Adam Snyder has a reach of 32" or something close to that; Mario Williams has a reach of around 36+ or so… that is 4 inches on both sides and pads are not going to make THAT much of a difference if both players are wearing them. In fact most DE’s and LB’s wear the smaller shoulder pads to gain even more of an advantage in the area of “reach”. So it is even more important at the Tackle position to have that reach; not so much at the Guard position though sinec they mainly play on the interior.
Point is, is that if a defensive player can get that extra leverage and get to the Tackle before the Tackle can get to him, with how fast the game goes, it’s advantage DE no matter how good the footwork is by the Tackle.
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To illustrate my point
Perhaps the best tackle of last year’s class was Michael Oher. His arm span was measured at the combine to be 33 1/4" long, the exact same length as Bulaga’s. I don’t think he’s been bothered by it at all, do you?
Ryan Clady, one of the best LT to come out in recent years, has an arm length of 33 1/8".
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Arm reach does have an impact in a lot of scenarios. Not everyone is a Michael Oher or Ryan Clady… and that is the point. The “non-freaks” will be exposed by it, and that is why it is a measurable and a factor.
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Thats pretty much why King-Kong has always kicked the you know what out of Godzilla.
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The arm reach is important but...
da foot will be what defeats you. Also knowing how to use those arms is important as it’s length. There was a guy years ago that took martial arts and used that to help with his work on the line. Can’t remember at the moment if he was OL or DL. Handwork and and footwork will be what’s measured. The numbers will be in the end just a minor debating point.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 25, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
The arm length is just one factor
and it’s far from being the most important one. Footwork and technique and leverage are far more important.
If you have 37" arms but you’re slow as molasses and have two left feet you’re not going to succeed.
If you have 33" arms and have good footwork and quick reflexes you’ll do really good.
In fact I bet most start tackles arms are 33-34".
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
In fact I think having big hands is more of a help in playing offensive line
than having long arms.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
If you are a T-rex chances of succeeding become less…. thats a fact… and thats all I am trying to point out but evidently you arent going to budge. It’s more of a factor than you are letting on.
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It is not a fact
And that I can point out numerous counter examples shows that it’s not a fact.
It’s one factor among many and not the most important one. If it was the most important one all they would measure is the arm length and forget about height and weight. and doing drills and looking at game film.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Go for it because it is a fact. You can’t prove that it’s not.
I agree that it is a factor and not the only one but it does have a big part in whether or not someone can be good and or get worked at the next level. They have to keep guys off and if they are over matched on a reach, they are less likely to make that fisrt pop. It is alot like boxing in that matter…. a guy with a longer reach (a majority of the time) is going to get a lot more hits in. DESPITE his footwork. It’s not the hard fast rule but the percentages I am sure are up there in lack of success with guys who have shorter arms.
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You're acting with the arm length
like people do with the 40 yard dash time.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
No
You are acting like its not a factor at all. I said early about the 40 that its a good tool to measure, but not a hard fast rule. You are acting like it makes absolutely no difference if a guy has 32" arms versus 36" arms and thats totally false. Of course there are other factors but that can be an argument for anything really.
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No I'm saying that it's not as big a factor as people are making it out to be
I’ve never said it’s not a factor. I’ve just said it’s not the most important one. I’ve also said that good footwork and proper technique can overcome arm length if used properly.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I dont agree with that at all. Everything has to be encompassed in to one thing.
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Smiley
It was stated on ESPN that Arm Length for Tackles is VERY important statistic that Scouts and GMs look for. I don’t think half an inch, or an inch will deter a team if the guy is great on film, but it IS a factor, and IS measured for a reason. Oh and it IS more important than hand size for OL.
Nobody is saying arm length is not a factor
Smiley is arguing that footwork is much more important.
And it is.
An OL with short arms and amazing footwork will/may succeed in the NFL.
An OL with 40’ arms but horrible footwork WILL NOT be successful in the NFL.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Example?
Adam Snyder perhaps? His footwork is good to average but his reach is 32", he gets beat like a red headed step child.
ESPN lied to me
I would not say that Snyder's footwork is good
I’ll look again but it seems to me that he’s not quick enough off the ball and into his crouch.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Adam Snyder's footwork is terrible
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
You're rebutal is not much better.
Snyder is not good in space and gets spun around all the time.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
He gets spun because the DE’s and LB’s are able to move him around with their arms and toss him out of the way before he can get the first punch.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
They usually just run right past him
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Boxing analogy
That’s actually not (entirely) true.
Speed and footwork are by far the most important aspects of boxing.
A guy with great footwork and blazing punching speed will dominate any boxer with a longer reach that doesn’t have good movement (footwork) or speed in his punches.
I know this because I practiced boxing for like 8 years.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Zero footwork, long reach… one of the best of all-time.
Maybe the boxing analogy is not the best though because then there is guys like Tyson who had small reach, bad footwork but fast and explosive punches
ESPN lied to me
I never liked George Foreman though.
Tyson was a beast though…
I remember when I first started boxing there was a guy with really long arms that always used to own me when we sparred.
My trainer took me aside and told me that he was slow and that if I just used my quick feet to move around him and take quick punches I would be able to frustrate him and expose his poor footwork.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Guess all that really tells us is that it’s really a case by case situation. I think in order to be an elite lineman though, it takes all elements enccompassed in to one. If one is missing, then a guy can be exploited on film and in a game.
ESPN lied to me
Obviously it's a mixture of everything
However, I tend to believe that some things are slightly more important than others.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
That’s your belief, not the belief of all. And just because it’s your belief doesn’t make it true
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
I didn't say it was a fact.
However, Smileyman seems to agree with me.
It seems like a very logical opinion though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
And to Simleyman.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Remember We Need OL - Lining Up Against NDAMUKONG SUH (RAMS)!!!
You people continue to forget that we need strong OL, who are potentially be going up against NDAMUKONG SUH (RAMS)!!!! I guess we need to get experienced OL from the FA!!!
Rachal is pretty strong
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So is Heitman
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
He was abused by Dockett week 1 I didn't focus on the next game, I was laughing and jumping to hard and high.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
He dominated all the Cardinal's linemen in the second matchup.
Baas did too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
One good game doesn't mean Baas is good.
Just trying to illustrate the idea that Rachal is not weak.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
He had a few.
Rachal dominated the final few games though (starting with the second ARZ game)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
If we are cutting bait with Baas why not Rachal?
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
Because Rachal was a high 2nd round pick.
That has shown significant improvement and consistency.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I didnt' think we were "cutting bait" with either
Baas is an RFA and I think we put a 2nd round tender on him.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I am just wondering why peple want to waste a 17th overall pick on Iupati to play Guard
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
Because everyone else looks like a reach around 13-17 range. Iupati appears to be a top level guard. Just look at it like the 49ers would be adding a Pro Bowl player.
You can get a pro bowl player at guard in the 2nd though, that's why it makes no sense to me.
Fine, if you draft him to play RT.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
I think
if the Niners grab him at 17 then it’s because they think he can play RT. MY thought though is I don’t want a guy that has to change positions in first round. I’d prefer T Williams. I was reading something (can’t remember where) where it was discussed about us possibly grabbing Williams at 13 for RT, and Iupati at 17 for LG. The thinking was similar to what NYJ did when they grabbed two OL in first round. Just solidifies our OL for YEARS.
Not sure if I’m on board, but worth a shot. We get BEST RT and Guard in draft. I know value for Iupati is iffy, but to have 3 first rounders on line would be nice. All young. Then if you think Rachal can turn corner, then even better.
But if Pashos returns, it will definitley help the transition.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
Trent Williams
blehck!!!!
And I am a Sooners fan. that should tell you something.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
My thought is Trent Williams is a much bigger question mark at OT than Iupati is at G. In fact, everyone in that range is a bigger question than Iupati is at G.
Iupati fits the profile of prototypical G. The 49ers can get a good player and one less question mark on the offensive line. I said the other day pass protection will be helped with more 3rd and 3 situations because the the 49ers can power run game would be improved.
At least that is the thinking I see behind Iupati.
Ya think bignerd?
Thanks for stating the obvious. Iupati is hands down best Guard coming out, and best Guard coming out in years. OF COURSE he is less of a question mark than a guy that struggled at LT his Sr. year. Thanks Capt Obvious.
Drew, I’m not a fan of his at LT, but yes, I do like him at RT.
Capt Obvious?
A suggestion about skipping an OT and picking a G is Capt Obvious?
because
“My thought is Trent Williams is a much bigger question mark at OT than Iupati is at G.”
That is obvious to me. Iupati is the best guard coming out in years, therefore this statement was a little obvious. To me its like saying that Best is a bigger question mark than Spiller at RB.
Best in years?
Without putting on pads at the NFL level, that’s a little premature isn’t it?
I think so there are some maulers in the league, i wouldn’t make that bold of a statement so quick.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
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Best college guard in years, based on the hype of analyst?
The league is full of All Pro Guards that were not thought of as the best in the class, hence the concept of a REACH.
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1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
I’d rather re-sign Pashos to be the 2010 RT and draft Iupati at #17. Then get a RT with the 2nd or 3rd round pick. With the #13 free we could take Spiller (or Berry if he falls).
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by Hoopers Judge on Feb 28, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Robert Gallery measured at 32 inches and struggled on outside coverage.
The NFL would like to have tackles arm length at 33 inches and Bulaga measured above that, so in that regard he is fine and may be off of the board before out 13th pick.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
From what I had been reading is that a lot of scouts and stuff thought that Bulaga wouldn’t be that “high” of a pick because of his shorter arm reach. I’m not sure if High is the correct term but its late, I’ve been at work all day, and I plain just don’t care.
It's a knock on him or more exactly
a nick. Not as big as has been made here and by guys in the media trying to find something to talk about while the guys get poked and prodded by the doctors.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 25, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the end to the Arm measurement argument.
Joe Thomas 32 1/2"
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 2, 2010 3:29 AM PST up reply actions
See here, Drew.
Quick feet are more important.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
It's like I was sayin' :-)
It’s not the length of a man’s arm’s it’s how he uses them (and his feet too) LOL
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think they need a mixture of both....
but quick feet will offset small arms because the Tackle will stay in front. It is a disadvantadge though because as Drew has said, it allows the DE to get his hands on the Tackle and move him off balance.
You beat me to it Drew
I was actually going to do a front page post with the measurables of the class. Tight Ends and offensive linemen were all measured today.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Fooch and I had been discussing this for a couple days
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I was going to get an official post going yesterday but there wasnt really much worth mentioning yesterday.
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All the measurements can be found at the NFL website
http://www.nfl.com/combine/players#players-tab-set-1:players-grid-container-position
They’ve got a database there that’s searchable by position, name, school and by grade (which hasn’t been assigned yet)
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Dang it! I didn’t notice that it does not include arm length before I deleted it.
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Yeah it does
click on the athlete’s name and it’ll take you to their bio page which has arm lengths and hand measurements too.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
apologies for the confusion
I wasn’t thinking straight when you emailed me.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Feb 25, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yes the measurement was "short"
and fast and a great return man. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 25, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Cirion Black
LSU OT what do you guys know about him. Other then my spelling anything else that is interesting. I just read an article on him and he seemed like a nice guy just don’t know how he plays.
by manraj7 on Feb 25, 2010 9:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
not very athletic, tends to get beaten by speed rushers. very powerful run blocker. once he’s engaged he’s pretty good, isn’t very good in space. Not an NFL LT. could probably play RT or gaurd.
by hellaninersfan on Feb 26, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
And aren't those two things we need?
I mean we need an RT and a guard right?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ya what round do you think he will go. If he is deeper in do you think he can be a steal he seems like a very dedicated player. Someone who would work for his spot on the roster.
by manraj7 on Feb 26, 2010 4:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If I remember
smiley and I were “talking”/looking the other day and thinking around 4th? Here’s my strategy for what it’s worth. We got Baas still at RFA, not great by any means but ok. And we can re-up Pashos, I think he’s 27 or so. That lowers our needs a bit on the OT/OG, again not greatly, but gives us some flexibility. Then we can trade down the 17 pick pick up some extra 3’s and 4’s that way. Then go for Veldheer and Ciron. I may be wrong in my thinking but I’d much rather have a guy that has OT capabilities playing guard then having a replay of the “Snyder experiment” where we have a guard and play him at tackle. BTW have we gotten any stats on these guys as far as lifts or do they do those tomorrow? (Answering my own question) looks like they have: http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers?tabIndex=1 Veldheer did 32 reps, the best so far as I’ve seen seems to be Mitch Petrus with 45. Not sure what Blacks numbers were in the press…yet
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 26, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
O line did lifts today
I imagine the information is updated by now
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I think he's an inconsistent OL
I saw him play LT and RT at LSU, sometimes he dominated and other times he looked lost on the field.
He may be better off as a G at the NFL level where he wouldn’t have to play in space so much.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
I really think Black will be a better guard too
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Yep agreed
but he would know the position at least in an emergency. I’d be relatively “excited” if we resigned Pashos, got Veldheer as a project T and Ciron Black at G. Would like to sign Sims on a one year contract too. (Note: would be ecstatic if we got Pouncey and had him play guard and be able to be a backup C LOL)
Then it would be a line like this:
LT Staley, Sims, Patrick
LG Baas, Black
C Heittman, Wallace
RG Rachal, Snyder
RT Pashos, Veldheer
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 27, 2010 3:25 AM PST up reply actions
Veldheer has small arms.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
That effects LT more. He supposedly has GREAT feet and handles the outside rush very well.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
So does Bulaga.
Trent Williams too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Bulaga was creamated by the kid from Michighan on the edge and the best pass rusher in Wisconsin, so that is not a fact.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Those were his first 2 games back from what at the time
was a possible career ending situation
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 28, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
So why use that high of a pick on an issue that was career threatening that could come back?
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I dont understand why they arent showing the drills. There is guys down on the field behind Dukes and Lombardi doing drills. This is kind of ticking me off
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I think it's punters today
which is probably why they aren’t showing them. NFL.com will be steraming the workouts starting tomorow.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/live/landing
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Seems like they keep pushing everything back
On NFLN, they have been advertising workouts on Friday (today) all week long. LIARS!! Haha
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Nevermind
I guess they’re showing the stuff later on tonights show.
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Charles Brown
hands measurement is 11 3/8in ~ Freakish
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Jon Asomoah's Opinion on Jared Odrick
Illinois G Jon Asomoah spoke to the media about Penn State DT Jared Odrick. "I watched him on film, but you don’t get the magnitude of his power from film."
When Jared Odrick was asked at the Senior Bowl, “Well look at it this way. If a team was watching you on film, how would they game plan against you?” He answered, " Double team me. I think that’s one thing. I’m the type of player that commands a double team. I guess that’s one thing I would write down if I was a scout. There’s not many times throughout a game that I’m not double team. There wasn’t many times throughout my whole Senior season. I think I’m the type of player that left in single blocking, I’m gonna disrupt plays or go make a play. So I’d probably have to say that."
He was asked, "
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Odrick will be drafted by the Colts or Saints
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It was reported, he had the best straight line speed of the DTs at the Senior Bowl
An great combine I still believe gets him drafted by Miami
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I'd more think Williams to Miami
Odrick is more the 4-3 DT / 3-4 DE type I believe. I think that Miami is more in need of a NT type than a DT/DE type.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 26, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
That may be so..
but I believe there’s have a criteria of how Parcells’ likes to draft in the 1st round
1.Big Ten 2. Senior 3. Size
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Dan Williams meets two of those criteria
And I don’t know that the 1st is really that legit or that it should factor into the Dolphin’s decision when picking.
Plus, Dan Williams also fills a position of need.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Could just be a coinsidence but +40% of his 1st rounders have out of the Big Ten
Dan Williams, yes, another possibility, but I’m also factoring in that Miami got the chance to see Odrick up close during their time at the senior bowl. Like scouts have been saying, Odrick isn’t scheme specific, he can play nose tackle too. I know realize that he’s probably a better fit at 3-4 DE but that’s not to take away his versatility to play anywhere(DL) in the 3-4 set.
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Onto Torell Troup,
Troup said one of his goals at the event is to bench press 225 pounds in excess of 40 times. He recently did 36 reps on the weight during a workout and feels the magnitude of the moment will push him beyond 40. Kansas City Chiefs defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel, Troup’s coach during the East-West Shrine Game in Orlando last month, said recently that if Troup can hit 40 reps on the bench press it will most certainly force coaches and scouts to take notice of the defensive tackle. Said Troup, who also squats 670 pounds: ``I really think when I get in there and get the adrenaline pumping that I’ll be able to do (40 reps).’’
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
If he goes with Odrick your Big 10 argument may be reinforced
But I really don’t see why it would matter if the decision was between Williams and Odrick.
SEC vs. Big 10?
I still think Williams is a better player than Odrick and should be selected by Miami if they’re considering adding help along the DL.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't be surprised if either of the 2 are taken.
Andrew Quarless posted a 4.63 40-time and had 23 reps today
Pitta, I don’t know how.. ran a 4.62
Gresham 4.76
Gronkowski not running at the combine
Hernandez not running either
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
4.63 was unofficial
Now, I’m seeing 4.67 not sure if that was official though
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Pitta also put up 27 reps in the bench press
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
For the 40 times all these sites are different
http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=861
has Quarless running a 4.59 40
Updated fave OT list
Okung
Brown
T.Williams
A.Davis
Campbell
Really the only difference is Trent Williams separated himself from Anthony Davis
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
More on Dan Williams
Matt Barrows tweeted
Niners had a “meet and greet” with Tennessee’s Dan Williams, a potential nose tackle. Williams weighed in at 327 …
Williams said he watched plenty of film of current 49ers NT Aubrayo Franklin when Franklin played the same position at Tennessee …
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Multiple Scouts have given Bruce Campbell a 4th round draft grade
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/27/some-still-have-bruce-campbell-low-on-the-board/
Confirming that I’m not the only one that thinks Campbell shows nothing on film
*Bulaga just entered my top 5.. Campbell dropped
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I don't tend to respect "profootball" webistes.
But really 4th round?
That’s ridiculous.
He may not have too much experience, but when he did play, he was very good.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I can understand that if it was the opinion of a "draft expert" but it's the opinion of multiple league sources..
One league source tells us that multiple teams have applied a round-four grade on Campbell, based on evaluation of his college game film. Another league source described Campbell’s game film as “terrible.”
After re-evaluating yesterday, I have to agree with them. And I was a huge supporter of Campbell at 1st.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Weird
He looked fine when I saw him.
Looking at some of his videos, he doesn’t look terrible at all.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Any from this year?(2009)
I’ve watched him vs Clemson, Virginia(being his best game due to the wet conditions), Cal, and FSU
Majority of the time defenders are coming off his blocks with counter moves because Campbell quick to beat his defender to the edge but he almost never gets off a quality block.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Edit.
quick to beat his defenders to the edge which gets him off-balance but he almost never gets off a quality block
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Campbell
should NEVER have come out with only 17 games on film and finishing only half of them. He has a LOT of natural athletic ability, but his game film is VERY lacking from what I have read so I agree with you here.
I’ll pass on a 2nd workout warrior from Maryland.
Quarless
My god, that guy looked terrible today.
At one point the ball hit him in the face.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
Dramatic, much?
Quarless did have a bad combine, I was expecting him to run a 4.55(give or take .05 seconds) he ran somewhere in the high 4.6s officially I believe. Doesn’t change my opinion on Quarless, because I still think of him as the most well-rounded TE in the draft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJHekifJjy0&feature=related
He had an amazing catch at the 4:55 minute mark as well as the game winning catch, no reason to fret over his hands in a non-game environment.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
It was comical
He looked like he was scared [site decorum]-less.
Why couldn’t he concentrate?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
overanxious probably? but I didn’t watch any of the TEs at the combine.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Quarless
Looked horrible catching. Just looked very unnatural catching. It wasn’t effortless and he was very hesitant. I noticed too that he was supposed to run down the line and was going back and forth depending on where the ball was coming from. He kept falling away and stabbing at ball. I thought of all the TE, he looked by far the worst.
I actually fell for Pitta. That dude has natural pass catching ability, runs good too.
Nice call
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Premature post
He was also asked his opinion on his who impressed him during the week at the Senior Bowl, he answered, “Cal, [Tyson] Alualu. He’s really good with his hands. Very good with his hands, shedding people. I’ve watched him a few times on TV but I was more impressed here in person. But I’ve been playing beside Cam Thomas of North Carolina, so I can’t really watch him. But I’ve been watching Alualu and been really impressed.”
I want to support Balmer but I wouldn’t mind getting either 2 of these players.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Note: Updated
QB’s, RB’s, WR’s added.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
O line is doing their workouts right now
Guard Mitch Petrus did his bench press and tied a record 45 reps at 225lbs
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
They just showed some highlights
I got that from rich eisein’s twitter feed.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Top Performers - OT and TE's
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#tp-tab-set-1:tp-grid-container-bench-press
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 26, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Anthony Davis of Rutgers only did 21 reps. I don’t know if for a Lineman that is low but when another prospect lifts more then twice as much as you did there might be some problems.
"Alex Smith doesn't inspire the Offensive Line to play well." - Random Troll on Post-Game Thread
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 26, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
That is really going to hurt his stock.
I guess he really is a lazy slob.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
For comparison.
Robert Malone, a punter, did 19 reps.
"Alex Smith doesn't inspire the Offensive Line to play well." - Random Troll on Post-Game Thread
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 26, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
lol
We have to consider Arm length though, it’s easier to do a lot of reps if you have short arms.
That said, Okung’s and Campbell’s arms are bigger than Davis’ and I believe they had more reps.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Sopoaga had 42, maybe we should move him to OL
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
LOL
Is he related to Sapolu (Jesse Sapolu) I loved that guy back in the day.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 27, 2010 3:01 AM PST up reply actions
Beast
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 26, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Veldheer
Odd how nobody mentions that he also has “short” arms.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
?
Bulaga has 33 inch arms and he would be drafted to play RT.
Why is Veldheer exempt to the “rule”
(Snyder also has 32 inch arms).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Valdheer is not exempt to the rule, I think it would stupid to take a LT high in the draft to move him over.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
But what if he can't play LT?
Because of the arm length?
It’s not ridiculous to think that an LT could make the transition to RT if he works hard enough.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
33 inches is the length the pros say is good. So why wouldn't he be able to play LT.
It is his natural position. Makes no sense to draft a LT for RT.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
McCluster put on some weight?
Wasn’t he at like 165 at the Senior Bowl?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Interesting catch
He did weigh in at 165 at the senior bowl. That shows a pretty good ability to put on weight. If he can get up to 180-185lbs his stock will go up because teams will not be so worried about his size.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Will he have another weigh in at his pro-day?
I was surprised though, because a lot of guys like to lose weight to run faster 40s.
If McCluster can run a fast 40 even with the added weight, his stock should receive a significant boost.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
I assume he'll have another weigh-in
I don’t know how the Pro-Days work out.
The biggest knock with McCluster wasn’t his playing ability but his size. If he can jump up to 180 lbs he might move up to the 2nd round.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
That may be true.
But if he can get to 180 and keep his explosiveness he’s a lock to go in the 2nd and maybe even low 1st (not likely)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Scouts Inc (Insider ESPN)
Stated that he was a 2nd rounder if he ran a 4.4 and I think he was above that, so I think he is late 2nd.
He ran a terrible 40
He can salvage his stock at his pro day.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
You think?
I think his whole thing was how fast and explosive he is. That was supposed to offset the size issue. Now, he is just as fast as Ryan Mathews or any other RB but weighs 75 lbs less.
Supposedly he was "tight"
We’ll see at his pro day.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
15 LBS
is going to slow anyone down. I am not sure how much it will in McCluster’s case, but he will be slower at 180 than 165, even if it is all muscle. Hold a 15 LB weight and try to run, then get rid of the 15 LB weight and try and run again… you will feel a significant difference.
ESPN lied to me
That isn't the same. If you are building muscle that really isn't camparible.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I am walking proof of that scenario. In high school I weighed 165 LBS and in college I put on about 20 LBS of muscle… it shaved off about .35 of my 40-tim making me slower.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
You must have put it in the wrong place, I bulked up and got faster, so I guess weight affects everyone differently.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
My weight was put on everywhere pretty evenly… it was just the extra muscle mass slowed me down. I was still extremely fast and played center field for my college, but I could feel the difference and the clocks showed the difference.
Side note: Arnold Shwartzeneger 40-time at 16 years old and 160 LBS: 4.35
40 time at 250 LBS: 7.9… LOL, jk
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Very funny indeed.
Still it’s weird, I put on the weight and felt stronger, maybe it was becasue it was highschool and my first introduction to workouts
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
We'll see how he runs this weekend.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Clay Harbors (a TE) did 30 reps. That's insane.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I want to see Rich Eisen run the 40 in real time…. and in his suit!
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Listening to an interview of Coach Payton on XM Radio
and love his statement “Ya gotta bring Ass and Mass” when talking about his OLinemen
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 27, 2010 3:31 AM PST reply actions
lol
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Trindon Holliday's unofficial 40 was
4.27
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
some clocked him as fast as 4.22 but 4.34 is his official time.
Adam Schefter once told me the sky is blue.
4.22 was a typo
it was 4.32 and Schefter tweeted it as 4.22
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He wouldn't be bad as a slot guy
Though you know how hte niners hate small players so i doubt it sadly
Plus he didn’t look particularly great in his 3 cone. He’s got better straight line speed than anything else
I think he is too fast to slip that far. The raiders have picks too.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
He is fast
He does not play as fast as his 40 time unlike Holliday. He is a burner but he does not change direction well.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Feb 28, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
How'd he look
in the gauntlet?
Love to pick up him and Bey-Bey or him and Freddie Barnes even.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
The guy is almost a midget by NFL standards
But he’s fast, strong and can return for days. We really need to keep an eye on him and maybe no one will by the 6th or 7th round. Maybe even pick him up as a FA.
NFL Draft Scout
has him 7-FA and ESPN has him at Borderline draft prospect. ESPN also has Brandon James and Brandon Banks as RS
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Trent williams
Supposedly he looked like a natural at RT but bad at LT drills. Can you guys give me your opinion on him, and if you think he is worth our 1a or 1b.
P.S. Sorry for asking so many questions about players it’s my first draft and I just want to know what makes a player special.
by manraj7 on Feb 27, 2010 12:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I thought he looked very good at all the drills
very smooth in the hips, good kick slide, good action with his hands.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He kicked [site decorum]
I wasn’t expecting him to do so well.
He’s still inconsistent on the field though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 27, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Natural RT
He is actually my pick in 1st. I like him over anyone else. Bulaga I like too, but concern is he is so polished already, he may not have a very high ceiling.
Too much talking… not enough action
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
That's what she said. ;)
"Alex Smith doesn't inspire the Offensive Line to play well." - Random Troll on Post-Game Thread
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 27, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Veldheer
had a pretty well-rounded combine.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
great sig indeed...
Sounds like a Rodney Dangerfield joke (one of my all-time favorite comedians).
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Feb 27, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Dangerfield
This one is another classic by him:
“With my old man I got no respect. I asked him, “How can I get my kite in the air?” He told me to run off a cliff."
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Here is a buffett of videos from the combine with interviews and all your Combine news and info
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
I watched Stephen Williams run a 4.48 unofficial
I like this kids upside.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Golden Tate with 4.37 unofficial
Might have moved up those 40 times if they hold up.
anyone know where golden tate is projected?
i enjoyed watching him on saturdays, just curious where people think hes gonna go
My guess is late 1st early 2nd
Speed is outstanding, but didn’t help himself just now in the gauntlet
I said it yesterday and I'll say it again
I love Rich Eisen. After the drll: “…AND HIS HAIR IS PERFECT!”
I chose water over wine... Jars of formaldehyde... think of all the things I missed... Why'd you make me a scientist?
Eisen
I do enjoy Rich Eisen. When he first signed with the NFL Network I wasn’t sure if that was a good idea or not, but I think he’s really been able to expand “Brand Eisen” through his work on the Network. I know Mike Mayock is one of their big guns in terms of analysis, but when I think of the NFL Network, I think of Rich Eisen as much as almost anybody else.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Feb 28, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
We are definitely NOT getting Dexter McCluster
After hearing what Mike Mayock said, “It’s not the drawback of his size, it’s the creativity of his offensive coordinator.” Go figure.
Jacoby Ford
ran an unofficial 4.23
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Best Site for Combine Times and Measurements:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/combine/qb.html
It’s constantly updated, categorized by position and accurate to the broadcast with unofficial times—and then again when official times are released.
No use constantly posting results here unless you’re going to actually make a comment on them.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
?
They post measure-ables.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Top performers 40-time QB, WR (Official times)
QB’s
Name Time
Brown, Jarrett 4.54
LeFevour, Dan 4.66
Robinson, Zac 4.71
Tebow, Tim 4.72
McCoy, Colt 4.79
Lewis, Thaddeus 4.84
Skelton, John 4.85
Hall, Max 4.87
WR’s
Name Time
Ford, Jacoby 4.28
Price, Taylor 4.41
Sanders, Emmanuel 4.41
Tate, Golden 4.42
Banks, Brandon 4.43
Williams, Kyle 4.43
Easley, Marcus 4.46
Roberts, Andre 4.46
Long, Brandon 4.46
Mitchell, Carlton 4.49
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Bench Press Top Performers QB, RB, WR
QB’s
Name Reps
Clark, Daryll 21
Brown, Levi 20
RB’s
Name Reps
Miller, Lonyae 26
Tate, Ben 26
Conner, John 24
Gerhart, Toby 22
Toston, Keith 22
Hardesty, Montario 21
McCluster, Dexter 20
Mathews, Ryan 19
Tonga, Manase 19
WR’s
Name Reps
Benn, Arrelious 20
Jones, Donald 20
Long, Brandon 20
McGaha, Chris 19
Williams, Damian 19
White, Blair 18
Tate, Golden 17
Easley, Marcus 16
Mitchell, Carlton 16
Parker, Preston 16
Price, Taylor 16
Shipley, Jordan 16
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Vertical Top Performers QB's, WR's,
Name Height
Tebow, Tim 38.5
Robinson, Zac 35.0
Brown, Jarrett 34.5
Skelton, John 33.5
Snead, Jevan 33.0
Hiller, Tim 32.5
Hall, Max 32.0
Kafka, Mike 32.0
WR’s
Name Height
Long, Brandon 41.5
Jones, Donald 41.0
Arnett, Alric 40.0
McGaha, Chris 40.0
Sanders, Emmanuel 39.5
Gilyard, Mardy 39.0
Williams, Damian 38.0
Benn, Arrelious 37.0
Price, Taylor 37.0
Reed, Brandon 37.0
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Broad Jump Top Performers
QB’s
Name Distance
Hiller, Tim 9’10"
Tebow, Tim 9’7"
Brown, Jarrett 9’6"
McCoy, Colt 9’6"
Kafka, Mike 9’2"
Robinson, Zac 9’2"
LeFevour, Dan 9’2"
Pike, Tony 9’0"
Skelton, John 9’0"
WR’s
Name Distance
Sanders, Emmanuel 10’6"
Williams, Stephen 10’5"
Gettis, David 10’4"
Long, Brandon 10’3"
Easley, Marcus 10’3"
Arnett, Alric 10’2"
McGaha, Chris 10’2"
Mitchell, Carlton 10’2"
Perry, Jared 10’1"
Roberts, Andre 10’0"
Tate, Golden 10’0"
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Gerhart runs a (Slightly) faster 40 than McCluster
I think I’ll eat a slice of crow right now. Kid has some wheels.
Spiller just ran sub 4.3 (!)
Jahvid Best just ran 4.33
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
wow....McCluster running on the slow side
4.5’s both times
He looks much faster when he plays
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
true
Jason Hill looked so much slower when he played than his 4.32
by HaloFanInDC on Feb 28, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
He's small.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
He does play slower than that time.
That is the knock on him. Good straight line speed but slow in and out of cuts, and suspect hands.
The case for Spiller
It’s a long-term pick. Gore isn’t getting any younger and health was always an issue for him when he was younger, so his body has more bumps and bruises than most RB’s.
Spiller could be the future RB for this franchise.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 11:59 AM PST reply actions
I'd be inclined to agree with you on that.
Lets hope he is still around though. I would be happy with Best in the second round if it plays out that way.
Fine with me
I’d much prefer one of the elite OT’s or DB’s drop to us instead at 13 than a part time back PR/KR
by HaloFanInDC on Feb 28, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt it changed anyone’s mind today. It wasn’t a surprise, everyone knew he was a track star that would put up a good time and had already factored it into their evaluation.
Thing is I have always thought he would go before 13, just because of CJ's prodution this year.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
It's unlikely that 90% of NFL RB's today can maintain it for 5+ years
That’s why he’s the perfect fit for this team while Gore is still in his prime. Gore can take all short yardage situations and goal-line and Spiller can handle a lot of 3rd down duties and long yardage situations.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Based on what? What do you consider typical RB size. Compact RB's shelf life tends ot be longer than tall ones. Height is Reggie Bush's biggest issue.
He at least has a compact build which helps
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
lol exactly
Bush is not even close to an every down back. Plus, he’s soft as tissue. I don’t get the soft impression from Spiller.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie Bush is one of the strongest RBs in the NFL.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
But Bush isn’t “soft”.
He can run over LBs, but he’s just injury prone.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Now he does, it didn't take long to figure out he is too scared to play the position. Spiller can take more carries then that.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
There is a difference being a tough enough (which I think Spiller has over Bush) and having a frame that won’t hold up long in the NFL.
Do you think Spiller's frame won't hold up?
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
He only averaged 15 carries in college this season was banged up. They said at the combine he was only doing the 40 time and bench press hinting he was still trying to heal.
H eplayed in every game
and racked up 300+ all purpose yards on more than one occasion.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
He was banged up because he played with turf toe, a nasty injury that lingers for MOST players at any level.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
He only sustained Grade 1 Turf Toe which is the most minor of all. There are 3 grades of severity with 3 being the highest. He should be fine.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
This is why I'm not sold on Sproles
It’s a bit unlikely that he would be an RB of the future for us because he’s been in the league the same amount of time as Gore. Also, although unproven, Spiller appears to have featured back potential. Sproles in his five years (granted he played behind LT) has never been a featured back. If we could pick up Sproles for a bargain for a year or two, so be it. But Spiller is so much more even at a higher price!
by Mangoman on Feb 28, 2010 1:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
McCluster
Dropped a pass out of his cut… if he doesn’t show sure hands then his stock plummets.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:29 PM PST reply actions
McCluster showed very sure hands in actual game play
that one dropped poss won’t change his draft status.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I know one pass won't
I’m saying he can’t do that at pro day.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
People are dropping passes all over the place… especially in the earlier drills. Game film is going to have a more significant impact than the NFL combine.
Saying that, I am still not convinced McCluster would be an asset and good fit with the Niners
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Really?
I didn’t remember you being in his corner, good to know. I for one think we’d have to tae him too high.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
I didn't remember you liking him and I think we would have to take him too high in the draft.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
Been said on Radio, TV and Print numerous times
That the QB’s and the WR’s are not being looked at for if they make the pass but how they handle it, how they look running the route and such. Remember the guys out there tossing and catching have never done it with each other before.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Emmanuel Sanders
I like this guy in the mid to later rounds if Thomas and others are gone
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Sanders...
He’s caught enough passes. SMU is the new Hawaii thanks to June Jones. Sanders is a lot like Davone Bess at Miami.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Official 40 times
Spiller 4.37
Best 4.35
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions
That's why I'd rather have Jacoby Ford.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
If it was guaranteed.
If someone guaranteed me Ford in the 4th round, then I’d gladly have him for special teams and take someone like Best or Mathews in the 2nd round.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
4th para mi
Scouts Inc has him as a 5th rounder due to question marks (ie hands, quickness, route running), and yes there is a difference between straightline speed and quickness coming off line and out of cuts.
I didn't know that, thanks.
highlights looked fast enough to me.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
He looks as fast as can be when running in a straight line.
There is one youtube of Spiller and Ford runs right by him to block.
The thing with Ford though, is due to his height, he will be a slot receiver most likely, thus needed to be quick and shifty, with good hands, and I guess he is questionable in that regard.
I don’t watch enough tape of him, but that’s what Scouts Inc and McShay have said about him.
Spiller 4.27?
I have hard time believing the unofficial time was off by a tenth of second.
A bad start can cost you about that much
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Dont put a ton of stock in these 40-times
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
I think they're more useful for determining relative speed
i.e. how fast they are compared to each other
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Track speed and field/ game speed… different
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Apparently you have not seen him play in a game then
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Nope
Just reading what Scouts Inc and McShay stated about him. I don’t doubt that he is fast, just read that he doesn’t play as fast as his 40 time states. Sometimes when a player is hesitant, they play a little slower. Maybe he is a little hesitant since he isn’t as polished?
I dont know
I haven’t got that far yet. I am watching these on delay (DVR). They aren’t posted on NFL.com yet
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Watch live on NFL.com
They announced the official time 5 min ago.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 28, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
What was Gerhart's official time?
Unofficial was around 4.55
Faster than Glenn Coffee.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't say we should draft him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
7.21
All offensive draft to balance out rlott#42's mock. 1- Spiller, 2- Campbell, 2- Benn, 3- Asamoah, 4- Ford, 5- Wang, 6- Moeaki, 6 (comp)- Holliday, 7- Z. Robinson
8.05 drew that 7.21 was unofficial.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
4.58 I believe
Knowhon Moreno ran like a 4.6
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Knowhon Moreno
You mean the Uber-Dynamic-Game-Changing-Pass-Spread-Friendly-Back of the 2009 Draft . . .
Yes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to know
How many Juniors came out this year opposed to other years in terms of percentage. Everybody keeps talking about this draft being so much more stocked because of that factor but I would like to see for myself. If someone has time to dissect, that would be a cool project.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
I believe Fooch had a post earlier this month saying the same amount of Juniors had declared this year compared to last year.
Now that you mention it, I kind of recall something like that.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Look on CBS Sports from a few months back
I think they had an article noting the numbers as far as number of juniors going this year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Top Official 40-times RB's
Name Time
Best, Jahvid 4.35
Spiller, C.J. 4.37
Tate, Ben 4.43
Mathews, Ryan 4.45
McKnight, Joe 4.47
Hardesty, Montario 4.49
Starks, James 4.50
Miller, Lonyae 4.53
McNeal, Shawnbrey 4.56
McCluster, Dexter 4.58
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
His health issues would concern most people
But there’s very good reason to be high on Jahvid Best. The guy has pontential to be a scoring machine!
by Mangoman on Feb 28, 2010 1:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah I picture a kind of scale (like in the libra sign)
every time I think about him. Those injuries way out leverage his “goodness” its a toughy though.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
He runs east and west too much. If anyone was comparible to Reggie Bush it’d be him…and add the concussions to that equation?? Factors to equate. If you are talking natural speed on the field (game speed), Spiller is faster. I still believe he has faster track speed as well. One 40-time is not enough to convince me that Best is faster… that is why I was saying earlier, take these 40-times with a grain of salt. Spiller’s unofficial smoked Best’s. They get two runs and that is it.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Two 40 times.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Feb 28, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah and Best’s first 40-time was 4.39, Spiller’s 4.28… it still doesn’t say how fast they will be on the football field or on a given play.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Both are incredibly fast though.
One just has a concussion history.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
East-West in NFL is easiest way to lose yards
In College it’s easy to outrun people but East and West in NFL, people would take better angles. I want someone to hit the hole hard or hit the seam hard.
+1
Pass on Best…..we don’t need an injury prone undersized back who can’t run between the tackles
He's not injury prone.
Although the concussions may shorten his career.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Concussion factor scares me enough, I could care less how fast he is.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
now drew
you/re swinging on spiller a little 2 hard he’s playing in a slower division than best is on the west that’s all we have is track stars now no one is trying 2 compare best college career 2 best because spiller has done it on a bigger stage but that doesnt make him better are faster than best he came in feeling that dion sanders hype ‘’ i’m going 2 do my 40 and thats it ‘’’ but it back fired on him the last time the niners past on a cal-berkley player yea you know and the last time the niners got a running back from clemsom was his name terrance flagler what happen with him.
I just thought I'd share with everyone that...
Terrence Flaggler and CJ Spiller share the same DNA because they both went to Clemson.
And everyone that comes out of the ACC is just two chromosones away from being related to the three-toed sloth. Sorry Vernon… that means you too.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
this is probably the least readable so far. these really wouldn’t be so bad if you used any punctuation at all. its not even like we’re asking for signifcant stylistic changes, just basic understandability.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 1, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
periods… for sentences… use ‘em. They’re your friend…
comma’s… for change of thought in sentences… use ’em. It will help us understand you better.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Of all the RBs
Ryan Mathews surprised me in his 40 time. I didn’t think he would run that fast. I’m FALLING for Spiller hard now.
I’m think Spiller, and Trent Williams in first. Either order. If we feel we have to grab Williams at 13 then I’m ok too. I think he is the Premier RT in the draft.
With the numbers Williams put up i'm not sure he'll be there
The speed and agility numbers seem to show that Williams can handle the LOT spot so I wouldn’t be surprised if a team in the top-10 took him for that position. And not really to knock him, but i’d like to see an ROT put up a couple more reps than he did.
Could be gone
But he struggled in LT drills and struggled as Sr at LT. I think he is a RT and it’s what most scouts, and things I have read stated. That he is a natural RT. I think his speed would help getting to 2nd level at RT. I think he lasts till 13. And I think Spiller lasts till 17. At least I hope.
How many teams
are looking for an RT not an LT that’s the question, In my mind at least
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
But it was noted quite often
how when they switched Williams to LT he kinda flopped. The others have more possibility at LT than RT really. So my question still stands. :-) How many other teams need an RT rather than an LT not counting us?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Every team needs another OT. Question is how soon a team needs that OT ready to play. He starts dropping into the late 1st round or 2nd than he becomes a luxury for a team. They can draft him and have him develop on the bench for a year to smooth out his issues.
LOL ok so you refuse to answer the question.
It is really a pretty straight forward one. How many teams need an RT and are fairly well set at LT?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know every team. I cannot tell you what teams will reach for a OT. Some teams don’t have such a hard designation at RT/LT. They draft an OT and later figure it out in camp. And like I said, if an OT starts to slip he may still get drafted by a team because he is perceived as BPA despite not having the need.
Off the top of my head
Redskins, Bills, Packers, and that’s about all I can think of.
Top 5 defenseive Mock
1a. traded for Berry-1b) Graham OLB Mich., 2 traded for Berry, 3 Ciron Black, 4 Jacoby FOrd, 5 Ansah, 6 whoever you want we have what we need.
Packers need an OT over RT and Redskins as well?
Thought the skins needed help pretty much all along the line including LT and thought the Packers were more needing an RT. I can see Bills with Butler having left but they need an LT too with Peters having left don’t they?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Packers need a LT
Chad Clifton is 33 and really took a step backwards this year (plus he was hurt for 4 game)
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
And Bills need both and pretty much equally badly right?
So that leaves two teams Skins and us right?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Do the Bills even have anybody left on their OL other than the rookies they drafted last year?
by HaloFanInDC on Feb 28, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
There’s a team who might end up drafting first overall next yeasr
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
LOL
As my buddy who’s a Bill’s fan put it….they’re going to do just well enough to win 5 or 6 games (with a 2 game winstreak around week 6-7 to give the fans some false hope) and never be in a position for the cream of the draft and consequently remain mediocre until they’re relocated to LA
by HaloFanInDC on Feb 28, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
I heard today that the Rams are falling in love with Okung
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Or it might have been Cassel
It was one of their onsite reporters during Total Access
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
My bad
It was the Lions that were enamored of Okung.
If they drafted him the talk is that they would move Backus inside to LG
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Would be a smart move.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting
Two top, high paid, book end tackles and absolutely no one to block for.
It was actuatlly Detroit
Schefter is 100% confident that the Rams will draft Bradford as does Michael Lombardi.
So we’ve got this scenario.
1. Rams
Sam Bradford (QB)
2. Lions
Russell Okung (OT)
3. Tampa Bay
Ndamukong Suh (DT)
They’d much rather pay big money for defensive line help than secondary especially since they actually have a decent pass defense.
4. Redskins
Anthony Davis (OT)
Don’t want a QB controversy so no Jimmy Clausen (plus they’ve given Campbell a RFA tender).
5. Chiefs
Gerald McCoy (DT)
They’re thrilled that one of the best DT in the league has fallen to them.
6. Seattle
Jimmy Clausen (QB)
They’re thrilled that their QBOTF has fallen to them.
7. Cleveland
Joe Haden (CB)
They need a CB far more than a safety.
8. Oakland
Jason Paul-Pierre (DE)
They have a horrible D-line and JPP should upgrade it.
9. Buffalo
Trent Williams (OT)
They have no tackles. They have lots of other needs too, but this is their worst one.
10. Jacksonville
Dez Bryant (WR)
Have no play makers on offense and desperately need a good WR. They also need a safety so it’s possible Berry lands here.
11. Denver
Rolando McClain
McClain is the perfect fit for Denver
12. Miami
Sergio Kindle (LB).
Parcells has never drafted a WR in the first round. They need a LB and if they don’t get Dansby they’ll pick one up in the draft.
13. 49ers
Eric Berry (S)
49ers are ecstatic that Berry went into free fall and landed here.
11. Denver
Rolando McClain (LB)
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
*whispers* Meet me at the bridge, in the park, around lunch
da password is “hut one, hut two, hut fawty nine”
LOL Would be kinda sweet especially if we could get Spiller too at 17 and then in a 2 or 3 get OT etc. Anyway
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 1, 2010 4:58 AM PST up reply actions
Despite their 100% statements
I don’t think it is that sure of a thing… not one bit. I don’t see how they can pass on a guy like Suh.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Do you want to pay a DT Top 1 money?
The other thinking is, IF you need a Franchise QB, and have a chance to grab one, you HAVE to take one. So if the Rams think Bradford or Clausen are the guy, they will grab him regardless.
This is why I think the Rams go with Bradford
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
For someone like that? Absolutley I’d pay top 1 money for that. If the Texans did it for Mario Williams, why would it be so far off the mark to do it for Suh.
Bradford is a QB with two shoulder surgeries before he even takes a snap in the NFL. The Rams don’t have a New York Jets-like Offensive Line to protect him. Makes more sense for them to get Vick or Kolb or someone like that. And, or draft Tebow or McCoy who will be there at their 33rd pick.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Williams is different
Williams came out when Williams came out. There was NO Qbs thought to be taken with #1 at the time. Plus Williams is a pass rusher. Suh is not. I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but different positions, and a different draft.
Not to mention, Houston already had Schaub so no reason to draft a QB. Just don’t know how you are comparing Williams going #1 to Suh this year. Rams need a QB, and Houston didn’t.
As Spags stated during his interview a tthe combine….Just because they grab a QB #1 doesn’t mean they won’t grab Vick for a year or two. During the combine all the analysts stated that if they grabbed Bradford, he would sit for a year MINIMUM to ensure his arm healed, and they got an OL going.
Again, IF you don’t have a Franchise QB, and you have an opportunity to grab one, you take it. I don’t remember who said that last year, but I heard it over and over again.
Is that a joke? The Texans didn’t need a QB in ’06? They had David Carr… lemme say it again… David Carr.
QB’s available in ’06 in the 1st:
Vince Young
Jay Cutler
Matt Leinart
At the time of the draft, all three of those guys were considered to be studs. At that time. Don’t tell me you’d rather have David Carr…lemme say it again…David Carr ahead of Vince Young who was drafted 3rd overall.
Bradford has had two injuries before he has even taken a snap in the NFL. That is going to thoroughly be considered. Bradford hasn’t even done anything yet…at the Combine, Pro Day etc. All these RUMORS have been started by sports analyst that need to create “stories”. I am not convinced, not even close to it. He still has a Pro Day ahead of him, medical examinations, and alll that. I’m not buying the hype right now but you are certainly welcome to eat it up if you want to bite.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Also, don’t tell me Suh is not going to be a pass rusher in a 4-3 system.
Dont tell me this guy wasn’t a pass rusher among other things:
http://www.nfl.com/players/warrensapp/profile?id=SAP635685
Suh is going to have that same type of impact.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
One more mistake you made
Schaub wasn’t a Texan until the ’07 Season. Williams was drafted in ’06.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Yeah I totally thought they had Schaub
Otherwise, I’m surprised a Texas team didn’t grab a Texas guy in V. Young. He did have a LOT of hype though because I don’t think he was on anyone’s radar as much until the Natl Championship game. I went back and read the reveiws of the draft in 2006 and Cutler wasn’t thought very highly when drafted, thought he was a reach. Leinart of all, was the one that they considered a steal at 10.
I think my whole point is, in different drafts, with different people, it’s hard to compare. I think there is a concern though with paying a DT #1 money, when you need a QB. If Bradford checks out, I think the Rams will give him a LOT of consideration at #1. Regardless of Vick or not.
I HONESTLY think Berry can fall to 13.
For those exact reasons you stated above. I just think there are players that teams would much rather pay Top 10 money to than Berry. No way he goes Top 5.
And I honestly thing Suh can fall to 13 too. Berry is not going to fall out of the top 10. Possibly not even top 5.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Cmon
I know you don’t think that. We both know Suh goes Top 3 at WORST.
Berry on the other hand, I think depending on who the Rams take, he goes out of Top 5 EASILY. I think you could be right with him not falling out of top 10, but like I said above, he could fall to 13. Just like Smiley’s mock draft shows. I know it’s just a guy, putting his thoughts about draft down, but I think it shows how easily he can drop.
this is pretty plausible
except I can’t see KC going DE in the top 5 2 years in a row.
The raiders are reaching, but that pick actually makes some sense. And the raiders always reach. Either way they aren’t picking berry.
Honestly, the only thing I see up there that I really don’t think will happen is Washington passing on a QB. If Clausen or Bradford are there there’s no way washington passes on one of them.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 1, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
They tendered Campbell
I think they stick with him one more year.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I'll call it now
McCoy doesn’t go to the Chiefs even if he is available. They already have a similar player in glenn dorsey (a 3-technique more suited for the 4-3). McCoy can’t play nose and would be a waste at end (plus they already took Tyson Jackson last year)
All you would need to fix this is to swap out McCoy for Bulaga and put McCoy in for Clausen (dropping Clausen altogether). I could definitely see Bulaga being picked by the Chiefs with their need on the OL and connection between the Iowa head coach and Pioli. And McCoy would be the perfect fit for Pete Carroll’s 4-3/Cover 2 scheme
?
Maybe it wasn’t clear, but in the context of Smileyman’s mock draft Bulaga would be the 3rd OT taken. With my change (because of the Chiefs being 3-4 team and McCoy being a terrible fit) you would have:
1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. Suh
4. A. Davis
5. Bulaga
6. McCoy
with the rest being the same (and if you felt like you wanted to include Clausen, have the seahawks draft him at 14).
Packers need help at both tackles
Considering most of the guys they hoped could play tackle in recent years haven’t cut it and have had to move inside
by HaloFanInDC on Feb 28, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think a lot of teams NEED LT's.
Redskins, Seahawks, Packers, Lions, and I may have missed a few.
Top 5 defenseive Mock
1a. traded for Berry-1b) Graham OLB Mich., 2 traded for Berry, 3 Ciron Black, 4 Jacoby FOrd, 5 Ansah, 6 whoever you want we have what we need.
I like Ben Tate better
Nowhere near as productive in college but I feel he has more upside.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
It is very wierd.
It didn’t happen to many others
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
The unofficial’s are hand-timed. The official’s are done by machine. Spiller may have just got a bad jump on his official because he has done better than that in college on machine timed run’s. Plus, he may not have wanted to blow his foot up so took it easier than normal. Either way, he had three runs and the two non-official’s were 4.28 and 4.27
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Chris Johnson's twitter page- funny stuff
LenDale White was telling CJ that he could run a 4.39
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
http://twitter.com/ChrisJohnson28
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Dexter McCluster
taking jabs at former teammate Patrick Willis:
"When I first got there [Willis] always called me Baby Hester," McCluster recalled. "I remember one time in 7-on-7, he was pursuing me at an angle and I did a jab step, got underneath him and made him look silly.
http://blog.49ers.com/2010/02/27/mccluster-to-willis-i-hope-hes-ready/
Willis had this to say in response on his twitter page, haha:
http://twitter.com/PatrickWillis52/status/9743503409
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Reminds me of beginning part of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
by Drew K on Feb 28, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Shaddup shaddin up!
That’s one of my favorites! Kudos!
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Drew
Funny how McCluster ripped on Willis when Willis runs a faster 40.
I wonder how McCluster feels knowing a dude that is 240 lbs (75+ lbs heavier than McC) can run him down from behind (4.51 Willis to 4.58 McCluster).
that's 7 one hundredths of a second
it’s a blink of an eye difference.
Chris Johnson ran a 4.24 at the combine yet Willis has been able to chase him down in in open field.
Like we talk about game speed is different than track speed
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Willis had an angle on him, no way he ran him down from directly behind him.
I know 7 one hundredths of a second is nothing, but he is still capable of running down McCluster, even though he wants to run his mouth.
I think...
that some of the guys at NFLN …how can I put this nicely…practice onanism over Tebow’s picture every evening.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions
From XM Radio
“Don’t think that some guys isn the NFL aren’t gonna want to tag his ass just cuz he’s Tim Tebow”
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 3:27 PM PST reply actions
we're ignoring the [site decorum]?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Three biggest surprises for me today in performances
Ryan Mathews RB (Fresno State)
Emmanuel Sanders WR (SMU)
John Skelton QB (Fordham)
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Mathews came up big time
He isn’t going to replace Spiller as the top back, but I think he might have pushed himself up into the tail end of the first round with his good all around performance. To be honest I would love to have Mathews over Spiller and Mathews even more considering where he’ll be taken at be of much better value
The Chargers
may give him a serious look for their 1st
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
When is the new mock coming out, I definitely have Mathews going there.
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
I'm probably going to put together something the day after the Combine
or hope to anyway.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Definitely think that would be his landing spot
Though I could see just as easily the jets trading up (Philly is sitting a couple spots ahead of SD and everyone knows how Philly loves to trade back) or or even the Pats taking him a little earlier
All of everything will get shuffled next week when free agrents start signing with other teams also. It’s still jumping the gun a bit. We have to wait until after next week.
I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
True
But how many FA’s are really out there that are going to affect a team’s draft board that significantly? Point being I think team needs are fairly stabilized at this point and barring a big trade we aren’t going to see team needs shift all that much
Off the top of my head I see:
Sproles
Thomas Jones
A. Rolle
J. Peppers
Westbrook, LT, TO, Sharper, possibly a few more when the flood gates open on March 5th.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Pashos :-)
If we don’t get him then that could hamper our draft moves to a large degree.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 4:24 AM PST up reply actions
Sharper yes
TO, LT, Westbrook are look like spare parts at this point in their careers….not to say they can’t contribute, but I don’t see them as being impact starters that will really alter what a team needs are in the draft.
There’s going to be more action and I guess that’s what I am eluding to more than anything else
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Gotcha
I see what your getting at now……seems as if we were disagreeing simply over the degree of how much action was going to go on
Halo
Why would Jets trade up? They already have Shonn Greene and Leon Washington. They are letting Thomas Jones because they CAN. He is making a LOT of money, but Greene showed him that he is the better RB than the two.
Idk, Jones contributed more than Greene. He had 1400+ yards rushing last year. I think it could end up biting them in the you know what.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Plus Washington is coming back from that horrific broken leg
Admittedly I did forget about Greene though. That said Greene doesn’t strike me as an overly dynamic back and unless Washington is going to be in perfect health, for their type of style of play having another solid back is never a bad thing
If Jones goes, they will have to draft another back. I don’t believe Chauncey Washington or Leon Washington is a very stable back up.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
I can also see the Jets targeting Gearhardt and Matthews
Trade up for Berry, that's all folks!!
Suck it Peyton.......LOL
Greene looked like the better back late in the season though.
That’s what I read about why Thomas was let go. Greene is the RB of the future, and looked much stronger than Thomas to end the season.
Jets have Greene who came on strong late
plus they have Washington and Jones was due a pretty hefty salary bonus.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Jones put up 1400 and pretty much carried the run game all season.
Greene played less and had to sit out the playoff game, the jets are making a mistake with this move.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
He was owed too much money
Greene was the better back when Thomas faded at end of season.
From week 15 on in yards, Jones finished with 52, 105, 78, 34, 41, 42 (last 3 in playoffs)
Greene finished with 30, 95, 62, 135, 128, 41.
So when Jones outran him, it wasn’t by much, but when Greene outran Jones it was by a LOT. Greene finished the season strong, it’s not to say Jones won’t be decent next year, it’s just to say, with how much was owed to Jones, and how cheap Greene is, it was time. Greene is more than capable of stepping in and he proved that in playoffs.
Jones didn't fade
his role was delibrately reduced by the team.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
A back with 300 carries will not finish as strong as a back with 50, especially with the 3 yards a cloud of dust offense.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
I don't
Their line allows any marginally talented RB to thrive.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
You're right, but that line can't keep a back healthy.
TYhey have over 200 plus carries and score 14 times, they take a lot of hits.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
17 could get them a good CB :-)
Just sayin’
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 4:26 AM PST up reply actions
cbs available at 17: Robinson, Wilson, McCourty, Ghee, Warren, maybe Earl Thomas
cbs available at 23: Robinson, Wilson, McCourty, Ghee maybe Warren.
There aren’t many 1st round caliber corners, but the draft is super deep after that.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 2, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Haden could be there as well.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Ben Tate kinda surprises me too
I didn’t think he would put up the third fastest 40. He does not have scintillating stats, but I think he will be a steal for whomever ends up with him.
No Golden Tate?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Gerhart
So TG ran a 4.55 or something like that . My question is ,does he have better game speed than timed speed? It seemed that whenever he turned it upfield he was pretty fast!
Gil Brandt
on XM Radio was asked how much it meant that Terrence Cody came in weighing what he did. And without missing a beat he said “7 figures”
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 5:56 PM PST reply actions
Where does he go though?
Steelers or Cowboys?
Top 5 defenseive Mock
1a. traded for Berry-1b) Graham OLB Mich., 2 traded for Berry, 3 Ciron Black, 4 Jacoby FOrd, 5 Ansah, 6 whoever you want we have what we need.
Hmm Cowboys..interesting
I was and am more thinking the Steelers but the Cowboys might take a chance on him. Looking at your mock, you heard any stats on yer boy Stephen Williams? I’m still looking out for his vertical.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Also on your mock
are you expecting Black to play OT or OG? If OG then you seem to not have anyone at OT, planning on laying your chips on Pashos?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
He ran a 4.48 unofficial I believe and looked good jumping, broad and vert.
I think with that 40 he can slip to the 5th
Top 5 defenseive Mock
1a. traded for Berry-1b) Graham OLB Mich., 2 traded for Berry, 3 Ciron Black, 4 Jacoby FOrd, 5 Ansah, 6 whoever you want we have what we need.
Myron Rolle
If we can get this guy at safety in the second round, I say take him. He is the smartest athlete in the draft by about a hundred IQ points and also an incredible athlete.
I think 2nd might be too high
I’d prefer either in the 3rd or 4th depending on how he does at the combine. Plus there’s always the comment about the players who are too smart and not instinctual enough.
Yup.
I read somewhere, that they want smart players, but not TOO smart of players. Ones that are too intelligent second guess themselves all the time, instead of going by muscle memory and instinct.
based on his combine results, I think he goes 3rd or 4th round
I hope we get him.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Wasn't he a little slow?
And not mentally but physically….I thought he ran one of the slowest 40s for Safeties at the combine.
Here are some of the DB interviews that they posted on 49ers.com
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Berry is included lott
thought you may wanna check it out
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Call me crazy
but I think it’s possible that Berry falls all the way to 10.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
It is all about the top 2 picks if they are Bradford and Okung it could happen.
Even if it’s Suh and Okung it could still happen. 2 QB’s off the board in 6 picks, it could happen.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Could happen.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ndamukong Suh vs Gerald McCoy tomorrow.. set your DVR's.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Should be good to see them in the drills
I’m expecting that Suh ends up a little stronger in the bench press and broad jump and McCoy slightly more agile and quick in the 3-cone
by HaloFanInDC on Feb 28, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well as a Sooner fan, I’ll be pulling for McCoy to stomp Suh in drill… unlikely, but I’ll be pulling for McCoy. I still think the tape is too strong on Suh to have McCoy pull ahead of him in the draft though.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
*pulling for McCoy to stomp Suh in drills
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Should be easy for McCoy
With Suh being hampered with a hamstring.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 28, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry had the wrong "okung" LOL
Russell Okung not Ndamokung Suh was the one with the hammy problems.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 4:32 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of bench press
Jason Pierre-Paul only did 19 reps??? That’s kinda weak for someone expected to go late 1st/early 2nd round!
How is that possible when the LB’s and DL haven’t gone yet?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
They did their workouts today
drills are tomorrow.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Results werent on NFL.com
when I looked last night
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
thats especially bad for a player with only 1 year in college who was expected to be carried by elite tangibles.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 1, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I just set a recording on mine for tomorrow morning & then I read this. Will definitely make for some of the best highlights.
NFLN replays the combine stuff all day
and if I’m going to guess they’ll be replaying them all next week too becasuse that’s what they do
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I don't have one.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Joe McKnight
With everyone clamoring for Spiller (more of change of pace guy and not a feature back IMO) what are people’s thoughts/opinions on McKnight if he were available in the late second or when we pick in the 3rd (assuming that we get our OL and “other” in the first [i’m really hoping for an elite DB to drop to us personally]) to be our change of pace/PR/KR/3rd down guy. Yes there’s the injury concern (as with most of the smaller backs), but he ran pretty well today in the 40 and showed great agility in the 3 cone and RB drills. More importantly he really improved his pass blocking this year for USC and has pretty good hands out of the backfield.
I am not a big fan of McKnight. I am not so sure he would even be an upgrade over Coffee and Coffee didn’t have the best year last year.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Different style of runners
I agree with you that statistically he might not be a vast improvement over Coffee, but will offer a different style of running and options out of the backfield. Coffee is a downhill inside runner whereas I see McKnight as more of an outside guy who will make guys miss as opposed to run them over. Coffee is sort of them to pound inside when Gore needs a rest while McKnight again would be that change of pace/3rd down guy.
by HaloFanInDC on Feb 28, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Upgrade over Coffee
Don’t count on it.
This guy is terrible.
He needs a lot of coaching, he doesn’t really know how to run.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, he couldn’t get it done when he was the center piece of the most talented team on the field.
USC had atleast 2 backs rotating last year, and at times 3 or 4. He ran for over 1K yards and a 6.2 yards per carry. I won’t argue that he’s a Type A personality, but he has a lot of skill.
And he was the inferior back compared to Bradford.
He had a couple of good games but he doesn’t have the speed to sustain his running style (east-west) in the NFL.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
McKnight’s best quality is his agility that lets him cut without slowing down. His 40 time is enough to get by. He is a good addition if you use him to compliment a stronger back (like Gore), because he has to be accounted for (as a reciever and in space).
The problem is that at the NFL level he will get pounded behind the LOS because he tends to dance before he makes his cuts.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you there. But, when McKnight picks his hole and doesn’t think twice, the defense has to commit an extra guy to the box.
I don't know about that.
McKnight would get destroyed by guys like Patrick Willis and Michael Leiws who serve as sort of guided missles.
He’s not going to make them miss if he takes to long to get up-field.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
So, if McKnight is available in the 4th round, and the 49ers didn’t draft Spiller, do you draft him?
4th round.
I’d strongly consider it, but only because he brings a lot of value in the return game.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Starting to like your guy you mentioned a while back
Deji Karim. If he does run the 40 at 4.46 wouldn’t be too bad. And he’s 210 so might get a pass by McC. And as you know I like Coker too. Can’t wait for their pro days.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 4:37 AM PST up reply actions
Just my opinion, but, McKnight has enough speed to outrun most NFL defenders and agility that few running backs can match. McKnight could also add another 5-10 pounds of muscle with little or no consequence. He does fumble the ball though, as he sometimes extends the ball out. If he didn’t fumble and occasionally hesitate behind the line, I’d say he is a first round talent. But, I think that he is going to be a good player, and he could be a great player.
He also dances at the LOS
And waves the ball around which makes him fumble prone.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
2nd?
Man this guy (McKnight) should be a 4th round pick at best.
He a smaller version of Lawrence Maroney.
I’ve seen every single one of his games, DO NOT WANT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
When you say smaller version of Lawrence Maroney do you mean McKnight will start his career with two monster games making everyone talk before fizzling out for the rest of his career?
I mean he's smaller and maybe weaker than Maroney
But they have similar running styles.
They’re both “dancers”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Kyle Williams
I mentioned earlier that he deserves a long look, especially from us for his PR skills. These numbers are pretty indicative of that:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/players/135937
He had quite a good workout today, mainly in the 40 and the gauntlet. I think this shows it’s not a fluke. The man has great concentration, gets open and can leave guys in the dust after he catches the ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HzSB804F_Q
Did I mention he can return punts?
He could be one of the best steals in the draft and I think we need to keep him in our sights!
Wow....Mount Cody 5.65
Man they can’t put that in slo-mo……wow…..at least he’s wearing a shirt this time unlike Andre Smith
Don't need him to run though, so didn't hurt him too bad.
He is there to just clog up the middle, and take on blockers.
he has pretty good lateral speed in a short area
which is exactly what you want from a NT. You don’t want your NT trying to chase down a WR 30 yards down the field.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Strange because I have seen
Frankling run all the way to the sideline to make plays… Jenkins has done it and even Wilkinson. Cody will need to be able to make it to the edge and I think he is a liability in that aspect.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Franklin is much lighter
Now if Cody can get down to 340 he’ll be able to make those plays, but not at 370
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I think his goal is 350.
But like we discussed before. Why go to the Combine saying “I want to be 350”. He should have worked his tail off and showed up at 350. That is the best chance to show GMs how committed you are, instead of showing up at 370 and running a 40 time that I could do backwards.
Cody showed up at 354
that’s a 16lb drop from the Senior Bowl and a pretty good drop for 2 months. If he continues at that pace he’ll be at 340 at the draft.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Once he gets that NFL contract
he’s gonna go back up to 370+
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
If I were drafting him
i’d put a clause in there that says he has to stay at 350 or lower or he gets fined big bucks.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Hopefully not.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Graham with an impressive 4.69 unofficial
This should put him squarely in the first round now
Heard that Graham...
pulled a hammy. Anyone else heard that?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 1, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Everson Griffin with a 4.64 unofficial
Looked particularly explosive though unlike Graham i’m not sure he can convert to OLB….seems like a really good 4-3 DE
Griffin played standing up at USC
Not always, but for some plays at least. Dropped into coverage too.
He doesn’t look like he can move with those thick legs, but he can.
by microwave donut on Mar 1, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Not that much though.
He was at his best when he had his hand on the ground.
He has a great first step.
Weight has been an issue with him though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 1, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Owens of GA
Another guy we could steal if for some reason we don’t get Aubrayo back. Second highest bench press, 40 right around 5.00.
Looks to be..
a 6th maybe 7th rounder. RIght around that “price point” would be Linval Joseph and a bit farther down Jay Thomas. Maybe with our 6th round comp (if we get it) get Owens?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 4:46 AM PST up reply actions
Hearing on the radio
Hayden 4.57 and 4.6 40 Official looks to be 4.57
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 6:53 AM PST reply actions
Berry looks to be 4.40
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
And on the other side of the spectrum
Taylor Mays ran an unofficial 4.24 and McCourty 4.34
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
I knew Mays was fast, but...
I can’t believe the numbers he’s put up at the combine:
Taylor Mays USC
height: 6’3 1/8
weight: 230
arm length: 34
hand size: 10 1/4
unofficial 40: 4.24
bench reps: 24
vertical: 41
broad jump: 10’5"
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Then the official time came in… Safe to say bruce campbell is still at the top. Tim Tebow could be a sleeper.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
wow....talk about hand-timing being off
a full .2 of a second….wtf…..still damn impressive for a DB though.
Just from a stats point
Myron Lewis looking pretty nice. 6’1 5/8 203 4.45 40
Above average ball skills and nice recognition
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 7:26 AM PST reply actions
Yeah he was windmilling it
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Ansah
First run 4.43
Second run 4.47
And remember he can return kicks and punts and has safety experience as well :-)
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 9:14 AM PST reply actions
Wow
I might now be an official AOA (Akwasi Owusu-Ansah) fan. He snagged a ball in the drills that was outstanding.
Welcome to the club :-)
Liked him for a good bit
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 2, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I still don't see any other corner being better when you look at the big picture
Plus the key thing will be to see what his 3-cone and splits are since they’re better indicators of agility which is generally held to be more important than straight line speed for corners
I think Earl Thomas might have something to say about that
If there was no college day, I’d take Thomas over him in a heartbeat
That's assuming you'd convert Thomas to CB
I think Thomas would be a good corner, but if he tackles better and maintains his weight then he could be an elite safety
Thomas could easily convert to corner
8 INT’s, two returned for TD’s last season. I think he can do it.
I don’t think he’s going to be converted, there is too much value at him playing center field a.k.a free safety. When a guy has that much range, you don’t put him at CB.
Say he’s a liablity in coverage, or that he is a little small for the position, but don’t say he wouldn’t be his best at the safety position.
Can he play CB? Probably. Would it be a strength of his? Most likely not. I say you have to use players at their strengths. This to me is like saying Iupati should play RT… it’s just not ever going to be his strength. I think a lot of players don’t make it in the league because their athletic ablities “say” they can play something else when they should not be.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
He is doing really badly in drills too.
His hips are stiff.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
We've been preaching that for like forever.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I still think he will do well in NFL
but now I don’t want another slow footed CB on our team as we need speed. But Haden would do good as another teams Clements, ie more physical CB.
I don't see it.
Haden doesn’t have such good instincts and isn’t good at reading WRs.
I though that he had the speed to correct his mistakes but his pedestrian 40 time just tells me that there is a very little chance that he will succeed in the NFL.
You can’t play press coverage all day.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Being a former slow CB I can tell you playing man coverage is the easiest option. You can bump the WR, cut off their steps, do all sorts of things to mitigate their speed advantage. When the WR makes their cut ideally you are only 8 inches away and have less distance to get to the football.
Playing zone coverage is much more difficult when you are slow. The WR can get a full head a steam and when they make their cut you are ideally 2-3 yards away and a much longer distance away from the football. Forces you to react faster with less momentum in your legs. Haden is sucked in the foot work drills so not only is he slow but his foot work costs him a significant amount of reaction time.
Pretty much the ship has sailed for me on Haden, not like I cared for him much to begin with. 49ers can get an athletically superior CB in the 4th round in this draft compared to Haden and you have to remember his college production means nothing, ask Mike Rumph (yes I cursed).
I don't see him playing man all day though.
I don’t think he’ll be a good NFL CB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
We're ahead of the curve over here at Niners Nation
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Javier Arenas tweaks right hammy
:(
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Kyle Williams
PLEASE do something to get him. I can make a better case for needing a corner than a RB, and he’s it.
Oh, and he returns punts too.
Rich Eisen runs unofficial 6.25
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
nope
full suit.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
I guess he wore some under armour shoes, but his suit was def prada.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Tim Tebow almost had a better 40-time than Joe Haden. Can everyone please zip it about Haden now? Oh…. he is super fast!!
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
It's important until it's not important
Haden ran himself into the 2nd round if he ran a 4.6.
Still think he goes in 1st but he will definitely plummet.
Didn’t Mike Jenkins come out as #1 CB, and when he ran a slower than expected 40, everyone thought he would fall FAR and he still went in 1st round. Haden still goes in first, but unfortunately for Drew, now it’s going to be around when we pick instead of before we have a chance to grab him.
It’s not good when top prospects fall because when guys in Top 10 fall, that means guys like Spiller just outside, move up. Let’s hope he is there when we pick at #13.
Haden still has a pro day left. He could be right back up there depending on how that turns out. The rule of thumb is you’re only as good as your last performance.
I think that's what people expected him to run.
Maybe that’s his official? I know people though he would be a lot faster, expected him to be closer to 4.3 from what I read on Scouts Inc.
I thought Mike Jenkins was playing pretty well at CB for the Cowboys
Wasn’t it Malcolm Jenkins from the Saints (out of Ohio State) that ran in the mid 4.5’s that they’re talking about moving to safety?
Whatever his name is. If you don’t run in the 4.4 range than you should never be considered a 1st Rnd CB.
Yes, I read on ESPN yesterday the Saints are going to convert him to safety because he isn’t better than what they already have at CB.
I’m pissed Haden ran 4.6. I was counting on him to help a better player slip to the #13 slot.
That's not true at all
If you don’t run a 4.4 you might not be an elite man to man cover but any number of corners have done really well not running 4.4’s in zone schemes. Look at the guys the Colts have picked up. Not many of them have run in the 4.4’s and they’ve turned out fine
I said would not a pick CB in the 1st round if they didn’t run in the 4.4 range. I did not preclude them from being a productive NFL player.
Misread your statement
That said a 4.5 still shouldn’t preclude a first round pick particularly if it’s late in the first round
I did say that… you do need to take them with a grain of salt. However, when you do as crappy as that, and some of the game film showcases that you can be exploited, something has to be said for that. He messed up the other drills as well. I have always had this opinion about Joe Haden and I haven’t understood the “hype”. Part of it for me has to be that he benefited tremendously from the defensive front he had at Florida. 6 of 7 of those guys will be playing at the next level. I have always thought of Haden as an average NFL Corner that can be exploited more often than not. He’s not going to able to keep up with the Brandon Marshall’s, Larry Fitzgeralds, and Andre Johnson’s of the league.
If I decide to do another player rankings post, Haden has fallen to the bottom of my top 5. I think he has the chance to be decent but not special.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
You wouldn't think that Clements could handle Fitz either but he can
I can’t imagine that Clements is faster than Haden. It’s not all about speed to be able to handle a WR.
I agree with that but...
…speed does help recover. Clements does a good job with Fitz but he has been burned badly by guys faster than him once they get a step. What we are lacking in the secondary is speed and 4.6 isn’t going to cut it.
agree
I don’t want another Clements, we need speed on not just secondary, but offense, special teams, etc….
I think there is more to covering a big fast guy than speed. I was reading about our defense today and it was stating that Manusky’s defense doesn’t require fast CBs because they are only required to cover a smaller chunk of ground, and that the Safety is supposed to make up for it.
He was also bad in drills.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I am starting to grow more fond of chikmagnets guy Brandon Ghee. He looks like an awesome prospect for us to be considering.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
YES!
I really wish we could know what happened in the interview rooms with him.
He supposedly lacks some confidence.
As for the inconsistency: He was hurt in college and has slowly been recovering, he just barely regained his strength.
I think he would be a solid 3rd round pick, although I don’t see the 49ers drafting him.
I’ll cheer for him regardless of where he goes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Confidence
That could be a huge reason why Coffee did so poorly last year as well. Sing hasn’t been able to really fix that yet.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Interesting.
I didn’t consider that before.
The confidence thing with Ghee has to do with him not challenging WRs are the LOS and not being physical enough.
He’s a fantastic cover CB that can effectively eliminate deep-threat WRs.
He’ll get owned by slants and screens (J. Joseph is the same player, and he’s considered a pretty good CB).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
If Brown can be molded and we can get Ghee in a reasonable round, they could very well be the CB’s of the future.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I'd like that tandem.
We wouldn’t be able to stop the run effectively on the outside, though….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
I think for sure we are going to end up with Berry, Thomas, or Mays.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Really?
I’d like Berry.
But I don’t feel that Thomas would be a good fit (unless it’s at CB).
And I don’t want Mays too much…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
How So?
I don’t really see Berry dropping
Thomas doesn’t seem the type of Safety the team is looking for (smaller for a safety, RS Soph, Tackling issues) and not to mention he might be gone at that point as well
Not sure Mays has value where we pick plus there are just so many questions surround his ball skills and agility
I don’t think it’s highly probable that Berry falls out of the top 10. But every once in a while there is shake ups that make certain players fall. Berry could fall.
Thomas… I said he was small too but comparitive to some of the other Safeties in the league he’s not that far off. Out of all three safeties, I want him the least.
Mays is such an athletic freak and he fits the profile of what the GM and Head Coach currently said they’re looking for. He’s willing to do anything for the team and that will sit well with a Coach like Singletary. Whether people like it or not, he is the most likely candidate based off of what 49ers brass has said.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I agree
I think of the 3 Mays is the most likely unless there’s another Crabtree situation where Berry falls for whatever reason. I wouldn’t mind trading our 3rd rounder or something like that to move up from 13 to 10 to grab Berry if he falls.
If we get any type of comp picks for Baas or Brooks then I would be all for moving up. It would make it easier for me to accept I guess. Also I am pretty sure we are going to get the 6th round comp pick. So if that happened (Baas or Brooks) we could potentiall have 9 picks in this years draft.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Hopefully someone would do that with Baas rather than Brooks but we would be extremely lucky for that to happen
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I don't think it happens.
Maybe with Brooks, but not with Baas.
I do agree, that it would be sweet if it happened.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
No one in the world gives up a 2nd rounder for Baas
And a 2nd rounder would be a real deep reach for Brooks considering the DE/DL depth of this draft
WHOA WHOA WHOA
Say WHAT!!!!
“I don’t think it’s highly probable that Berry falls out of the top 10. But every once in a while there is shake ups that make certain players fall. Berry could fall.”
What happened here. Starting to bring you over to the dark side huh?
You said this just a day ago….
“Berry is not going to fall out of the top 10. Possibly not even top 5.”
And now you are thinking he could fall to us at 13? LOL. I understand your “high probability” part, but like I said above, he could fall, and it’s not so crazy as I have been saying all along due to amounts of money they would have to pay him in Top 5-10. You went from a Top 3-5 pick at beginning of discussions month or so ago, to now thinking he could fall to 13. I LOVE it. I’m taking full credit for it.
I don’t think either one of those statements are conflicting with each other really. Statement 1 eludes to statement 2.
If you are talking percentages, I’d still say there is less than a 5% chance that he falls out of the top 10. But his Combine performance is probably enough to keep him in the top 10, top 5 conversations. But there a bunch of things that would need to take place for that to happen. We still have free agency and pro days ahead of us.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I would cry..
if we lost Brooks, he is a dominate pass rusher in the making and is someone the niners staff can be proud of. He got this far with great coaching. He adds good depth and will only get better. Please don’t loose this guy!!!
Earl Thomas had a good Combine
He weighted in at 208 lbs. hushing some of his size concerns and managed to still run in the 4.4 – 4.5 range. I doubt he is a 2nd round pick now.
40 times
WTF happened with the timing this year?
Unofficial times shouldn’t be that far off….
We still know that some of these guys are fast but we don’t know how fast.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
NFL Network wasn’t hooked up to the official time. A guy with a stop watch is pretty inaccurate. Just ask all the college programs claiming their star player runs a 4.2 (all 300 of them)
Exactly
all the unofficial times were someone in the NLFN booth with a stopwatch
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Oh
I did not know that.
I trust that the official times are legit?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
those ones are elctronically timed
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Ok.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is why the Pro Days should not be considered.
They showed the side by side things of Jacoby Ford’s official and Taylor Mays’ unofficial, the one where Mays supposedly ran a 4.24 and Ford beat him by at least a full step.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
yeah
particularly since players often run on a track using special shoes and go with the wind
Deion gave a shout out to my
sleeper Walt Thurmond
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Curious?
Do you ever have a positive outlook on anything? Or should it pretty much be expected that any comment from bignerd will be a sarcastic one? Or facetious ones?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
That was sarcastic?
He generally shouts out to the guys who came to his camp. He even does it in the regular season during post game highlight packages.
If the powers that be are doing their homework
They will definitely see he could be a sleeper. Possible pick if we get the comp in the 6th round. Of the only three (?) games he played last season, he had some great returns both as KR and PR, returned at least one for a TD and had at least one pick six that I saw. The guy definitely has some skills. The only problem (and it’s not his fault as he was injured and still apparently isn’t 100%) is that not enough is being seen of him when it counts. Ironically I did see one mock that had us taking him in the 2nd round, but I can’t really see that happening. The 6th is pretty viable though.
He was my sleeper first.
until he blew out both of his knees. I actually think he would have been the #1 corner had he not gotten injured.
My Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft for 49ers
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
To be fair
he was running it in his suit with a tie on and shirt tucked in and shoes that hadn’t been broken in
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
And I doubt he ever works out.
I’m sure he could crack 5.8 or so if he worked out a few months before the combine.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 2, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
He could be an option in the 7th.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Nice.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
If he does work out
it’s the 35-40 min every other day variety, not the several hours a day that these guys put in
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Dream Draft
1. Eric Berry (13) unlikely he makes it this far, but I’m dreaming anyway
1. Joe Haden (17) slow 40 times drops him down to us
2. Toby Gerhart (backs up Gore for now)
3. Vladimir Ducasse (starts out at LG between Staley and Heitman, switches to LT in a couple years
4. Trinton Holiday
Pick up a RT in free agency
I know I’m dreaming but its fun
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Nightmare
do not want Haden for numerous reasons already given. Why would we want to draft two secondary players in the first round and not address our offensive line needs until the 3rd round? Why pick up a specialist in the 4th round when he can be had in the 5th or 6th. Why draft a RT and pick one up in free agency when he have a guy who can do the job admirably if he’s healthy (Pashos)?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Yeah Connie...
That was a pretty horrible draft. And you really think Ducasse can be a LT? Puhlease….
Also, smiley didn’t even discuss the Gerhart pick….not a fan, that dude would be so far buried behind Gore and Coffee he would never see the field, not to mention you reached for him in the 2nd. To me, Coffee and Gerhart are similar backs.
Joe Haden
probably won’t be a great corner just because of his 40 time. If you want an example, see Daymeion Hughes. I love the guy to death, but he was the best CB in college football in 2006, but was just too slow to succeed in the pros. He did the same thing Haden did by running a 4.5-4.6 40.
My Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft for 49ers
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
srry for the excessive "but"
i was in a rush
My Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft for 49ers
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
It's not just his 40 time.
He struggles in zone coverage and he can’t read WRs or “feel” routes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Haden?
See the discussions above.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think Gerhart will more than double Coffee
for total career yardage from scrimmage, probably triple.
Don’t underestimate him because he’s big and white.
Could you imagine him one on one with a Cornerback after a screen pass to the sideline?
That would be an automatic 4 to 8 yards on checkdown pass plays.
As for Ducasse, I think he would be an absolute beast and could thrive as a left guard, but I think there is upside that he could switch to tackle in a few years with more experience.
With all the tackle talent in the draft, I think there might be a great pickup for the Forty Niners to get from another team.
I still think Alex Barron would do well with the Niners and Singletary.
I know the Saints have an extra Tackle.
Pashos is a possibility, but I think we can do better.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
I don't think the disagreement comes over the fact that Gerhart is big and white
Essentially Gerhart is a inside power back. If the Niners were to draft him that high they would essentially be getting rid of Coffee (and admitting drafting him was a failure as well) as it makes no football sense to carry 3 backs of the same type. Granted it could happen (see Matt Millen and first round wideouts), but the value of the pick versus the needs of the team just don’t match up well. The team could upgrade on the OL, DL or in the secondary considering how deep this draft iis in those area as opposed to using the pick on a position where the team is fairly well set and would be seemingly duplicitous
As to an automatic 4-8 on checkdown’s I just don’t see that happening. It worked somewhat while he was at Stanford because he was going up against LB’s who were as fast if not a touch slower than him, while weighing in less than him. In the NFL he’s not going to be able to run over the LB who should be covering him on the check down and he clearly doesn’t have the agility to make a move and make the LB miss.
Fair enough, I'm just not feelin Coffee
Can’t put my finger on it, but running the ball seems like an instinctual position, and I think Coffee had plenty of time to show us he had the instincts. I didn’t see them. I know the line was lousy, etc, etc, but I think we may end up saying he is a bust. Hence the need for Gerhart.
But what do I know, I’m just a fan.
I also think Gerhart is underrated and could end up having a Riggins like effect for a team.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
no...Coffee had a very small sample size and played mostly with hill as QB and the Line was not in sync, at all.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Just saw on Yahoo
Apparently Singletary is high on Mays. Oh no! Please don’t use a first rounder on him. I’d be fine with a 2nd but not a 1st.
Go 49ers
Do you have a link? I’d like to see that article
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
From the things they've said
I knew that would be a possibility
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Nevermind, found it for you
Among the NFL brass that were high on Mays: San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Singletary, the former Chicago Bears middle linebacker.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Favorite Quote
One source predicted that Mays will be draftedin the top 10 selections ofby the Raiders in the first round in April.
Only it really says this:
One source predicted that Mays will be drafted in the top 10 selections of the first round in April
Which includes the Browns and Jacksonville in that top 10. I still don’t think he goes top 10 though.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Still early on in the process
We still have 2 months to go and pro-days to see. Maybe if Thomas bulks up more or Mays shows he’s incapable of catching a ball……
That said, Mays is probably, of the 3 top Safeties (Berry being the long shot) that fits best with the team’s philosophy as Drew K has previously alluded too.
Honestly i don’t think it’s too terrible of a fit either. For home much people have been hammering on his lack of ball skills (i’ll concede they aren’t as good as Berry, Thomas, Allen and probably a few others in the draft) the team really doesn’t ask its strong safety to drop back into deep or man-to-man coverage all that often. Look at the way Lewis is consistently coming up to the line to help stop the run. I know we’ve somewhat covered this topic before when discussing Mays in his player profile, but just because Mays hasn’t made very many interceptions doesn’t mean he can’t be an impact player for a defense. I’d point to how effective Bob Sanders, Rodney Harrison (later in his career with NE) and John Lynch were playing the enforcer role in the secondary while not picking off that many passes
That should read "Mays shows he's CAPABLE of catching a ball
such an obvious sub-conscious slip there………….
The one thing I like about Singletary
is that he can make a player reach his potential. I’m not too fond of Mays, but if Singletary acknowledges or states publicly that he can make Mays an all-pro safety, I’d support the decision to draft Mays.
My Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft for 49ers
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
Sing wasn't high on Willis and look where he is now.
Sing isn’t the end all be all just because he thinks or says something. He was wrong with Willis, and could be with Mays.
I don't like that too much.
Smileyman’s post earlier illustrated that we need a cover-safety.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think his official was around 4.6 or something like that. I was watching some old stuff I had recorded and it seems like he is a liability in coverage more than he should be. He was good in run support though. I like Curtis Taylor’s and Reggie Smith’s upside more than I do Rolle’s.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Hard to tell what he's like in coverage
I didn’t see hardly any Florida State games and the highlights from Florida State games from 2008 very rarely show any pass protection at all so you hardly see any cornerbacks or safeties.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I sort of can’t stand the arguement that you can’t see anything on TV, I don’t know if that’s what you were suggesting there, but none the less… I totally disagree.
They show enough replays and things like that, that the standard fan can see enough if they’re watching closely and in alot of cases not so closely. Some of the highlights are plain as day. There are enough passes downfield in college football to get a very good handle on what is going on back there.
I watched plenty of Florida State this past season and that’s how I got such a good feel on Patrick Robinson, Dekota Watson, and others that I’ve sung good praise about. So for me, it was not hard to tell that Rolle was a liability more than he was a help back there.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Just saying that in the highlight clips on YouTube
there wasn’t enough detail for me to see.
During the regular games I agree—you get enough detail to figure it out, but like I said I didn’t see much of Florida State this year.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Or last year which is when he was playing
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
A lot of time though you only see part of the picture
TV won’t show how the players are lined up to give you an idea if the secondary is in man or zone, if they’re in a 2 safety high shell, etc… and you generally just see when the player got pick/deflection or got beat. I think that can often influence the perception of a playe when in fact that might not be the full reality of the situation.
There is enough there to get a really good idea. Slow-mo replays, different angles, press coverages, etc are all enough to see enough to make a sound enough judgement. Plus, in college football there are enough swings for the fences in deep throws
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Unfortunately true
Rolle would be a decent pick up, but unfortunately more for the feel good story than anything else. NFLN showed his lack of speed gets him beaten to the outside and in 7 man drills at the Senior Bowl he got beaten there a bit too. I’d rather keep developing what we have than draft him. We have a 3rd round draft in Smith and a 7th in Taylor who we haven’t really seen much of yet because of injury. I don’t know Rolle enough to be certain, but he seems like a very ambitious young man. The NFL seems merely like a feather he can put in his cap, but with his brain, it’s not really his calling. I feel like he’ll get in and in a couple years would have been just another feel good story.
Some Safties are impossible to "scout" on TV.
Taylor Mays, for example is one of them.
He plays so far off the LOS that it’s impossible to see his reaction once the ball is snapped.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
And I suppose there are never replays from different angles showing cover in the background? Or replays on specific plays in his direction? Or ANY pass plays downfield to show where he is or what he is doing eh? It happens more frequently than people pay attention to.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Only a few times a game.
Maybe like 5 times each game they’ll show a replay on a deep ball and give us the coaches view.
However, with Mays those opportunities were even less because teams didn’t throw deep on USC that much (esp. in 2008)
Also, seeing where the safety is after the ball is in the air doesn’t tell you much about his instincts.
He could have been like 15 yards off the man and he used his speed to close the gap (in bad coverage) or he could have been with his man step for step.
You never know.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Mar 3, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think Rolle will be a starter his rookie season for whoever drafts him.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
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