Franchise and transition tags, an expose
by smileyman on Feb 3, 2010 7:00 AM PST
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Fooch's Note: Smileyman and drummer have joined the front page crew. They'll be providing some of their unique insight, but just as importantly, helping cover the site when I find myself away from the Internet in the coming months.
Personal Stuff: Hi everyone. Fooch asked me to do a little introductory paragraph before my first front page post, so here goes. Personal stuff. I'm married (for five years), have an 18 month old son, live in Idaho and am currently going back to school to finish my degree. I love statistics (weird I know), history, and football. I love the innovative approach taken to the sport of football by sites like Football Outsiders, Pro Football Focus, and Advanced NFL Stats. I think the game relies too much on "gut feeling" or the "eye test", and too little on actual quantifiable data (and yes, I realize that you can't quantify everything, but you certainly shouldn't ignore it as a tool in your arsenal).
I started following the 49ers in 1984 (I was 7), and have remained loyal ever since. My favorite QB of all time is Steve Young, my favorite 49er RBs are Roger Craig and Garrison Hearst, and Jerry Rice should've won Dancing With the Stars.
As Paul Harvey would say "Now for the rest of the story".
Every single year it seems that there is at least one player in the league unhappy with his contract situation and his team. These players are looking for a big payday and a long term deal and often don't get it, instead their team uses a tag on them to retain their services for another year. Players don't like this, for obvious reasons. They miss out on a big payday, they don't get the guaranteed money, they're most likely stuck with a team they don't like, and if they get hurt their value for the next season decreased dramatically.
This year there are two especially big names who are hitting free agency who don't want to be franchised. Vince Wilfork of the Patriots has made it clear that he doesn't want a franchise tag used on him, and Julius Peppers of the Panthers has already had a franchise tag used on him and clearly doesn't want another. There has also been some discussion about the 49ers franchising NT Aubrayo Franklin, and accepted wisdom is that this will happen.
Join me after the jump as we talk about what the tags mean, the probable dollar value of the tags in 2010 and key dates in the 2010 NFL year.
Tags
There are two types of tags, the franchise tag and the transition tag. Normally teams have two that they can use in any given year. In an uncapped year teams will have three--1 franchise, and 2 transition. Since there has been no agreement on a CBA and the league and the players union has just over a month to come to an agreement it's looking likely that there will be no salary cap in 2010
Franchise Tag
A team can designate a player with the franchise tag. When they do that they need to determine if the player is going to be an exclusive franchise player or non-exclusive. An exclusive franchise player can not negotiate or sign with any other team. His salary is going to be the average of the five largest salaries at his position (as of the end of free agency for that year), or 120% of his previous year's salary (whichever is largest). A non-exclusive player receives an offer of the average of the five largest salaries for the previous year or 120% (whichever is greater). If the non-exclusive player signs with a new team his previous team hs the option to match the offer. If they decide to not match the offer the previous team is compensated with two first round picks from the new team.
Transition Tag
A transition tag can also be used instead of the franchise tag. The transition tag gives the player's old team Right of First Refusal, which means that if the player reaches an agreement with another team the old team has the right to match that offer. If they match that offer the player has to sign the one year contract. The offer is the average of the top 10 players at his position or 120%, whichever is greater. If he signs with another team his original team receives no compensation.
If a team decides that they want to rescind a tag they can--but they do not gain any compensation if the player goes somewhere else and they can't use the tag on someone else.
2010 and the CBA
If a new CBA is not reached by 2010, all of this changes. There will be no salary cap, meaning teams can try and buy themselves a championship (like the New York Yankees). On the flip side of it, there's no minimum cap either, so miserly owners can spend as little as they like on player salaries. The biggest single change will come with free agency. With an uncapped year it takes six accrued seasons for a player to become an unrestricted free agent. In an uncapped year each team gains an extra transition tag.
Some estimates show that as many as 200 players will suddenly lose free agency status if that happens,
Key Dates
February
1st--This is the soonest that a team can designate their additional transition tag player
6th--Hall of Fame selection committee meets
7th--Super Bowl
11th--Beginning of the period in which teams can designate franchise and their additional transition tag players
24th--Start of the NFL Combine
25th--Deadline for submitting franchise and transition tag players
March
2nd--End of the Combine (and smileyman's birthday)
5th--New League Year starts. What this means in real terms:
--Deadline for the new CBA to be signed
--Deadline for teams to submit RFA tenders
--Beginning of free agent signing period
--Beginning of trade period
15th--Offseason training programs begin
21-24--NFL owners meeting
April
18th--FA ends for RFAs
22nd through 25th--NFL draft
May-June
24th through 26th--NFL Spring Meeting
OTAs generally start mid May through Mid June
July
Mid July the supplemental draft is held.
22nd--End of free agency period for UFAs (or it might be the first day of training camp whichever is latest). Franchise players have to sign by this point as do tendered RFAs.
August
7th--Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
13th--Deadline for teams to trade rights to for unsigned, but drafted, rookies.
13th--start of Pre-season games
September
4th--teams have to turn in their 53 man roster
9th--regular season begins
Since franchise and transition tag amounts are based on the current highest salaries it's useful to know what those are. Now these might change based on what deals happen between now and the franchise dates, but Ian Whetstone at Steel City Insider has done a great job of gathering that information. These salaries include both the regular season salaries as well as signing bonuses and earned incentives.
CORNERBACK
CB Champ Bailey $13,188,525
CB Dunta Robinson $9,957,000
CB Asante Samuel $9,900,000
CB Darrelle Revis $7,425,916
CB Corey Webster $7,357,500
CB Charles Woodson $7,200,000
CB Chris Gamble $7,000,000
CB Kelvin Hayden $6,430,000
CB Antoine Winfield $6,100,000
CB Nnamdi Asomugha $6,000,000
Franchise $9,566,000
Transition $8,056,000
DEFENSIVE END
DE Julius Peppers $16,683,000
DE Jared Allen $13,483,344
DE Dwight Freeney $11,220,000
DE Justin Smith $10,083,333
DE Will Smith $9,271,666
DE Corey Williams $8,783,333
DE Aaron Schobel $8,066,670
DE Luis Castillo $8,058,500
DE Leonard Little $7,610,000
DE Derrick Harvey $7,527,500
Franchise $12,148,000
Transition $10,079,000
DEFENSIVE TACKLE
DT Tommie Harris $8,590,000
DT Albert Haynesworth $7,000,000
DT Shaun Rogers $6,573,333
DT Jonathan Babineaux $6,500,000
DT Casey Hampton $6,452,084
DT Tommy Kelly $6,336,266
DT Kris Jenkins $5,650,000
DT Marcus Stroud $5,591,666
DT John Henderson $5,490,000
DT Pat Williams $5,410,540
Franchise $7,023,000
Transition $6,359,000
LINEBACKER
LB DeMarcus Ware $11,437,000
LB Karlos Dansby $9,678,000
LB Brian Urlacher $9,175,505
LB Keith Bulluck $9,108,670
LB Bart Scott $9,000,000
LB Joey Porter $7,200,000
LB Calvin Pace $6,686,862
LB Lance Briggs $6,516,666
LB DJ Williams $6,501,000
LB Julian Peterson $6,500,000
Franchise $9,680,000
Transition $8,180,000
OFFENSIVE LINE
OL Joe Staley $13,520,000
OL Jason Peters $12,700,000
OL Walter Jones $9,800,000
OL Jake Long $9,600,000
OL Chad Clifton $8,034,170
OL Jeff Faine $8,000,000
OL Alan Faneca $7,840,000
OL Steve Hutchinson $7,450,000
OL Jeff Backus $7,223,176
OL Kris Dielman $7,200,000
Franchise $10,731,000
Transition $9,137,000
PUNTER/KICKER
P/K Shane Lechler $3,100,000
P/K Robbie Gould $2,900,000
P/K Joe Nedney $2,862,500
P/K Adam Vinatieri $2,695,000
P/K Josh Brown $2,600,000
P/K Sebastian Janikowsi $2,510,000
P/K Shayne Graham $2,483,000
P/K Michael Koenen $2,483,000
P/K Kris Brown $2,480,000
P/K Ryan Longwell $2,450,000
Franchise $2,832,000
Transition $2,656,000
QUARTERBACK
QB Peyton Manning $21,199,998
QB Donovan McNabb $16,766,670
QB Matt Cassel $15,200,000
QB Tom Brady $14,620,000
QB Carson Palmer $14,300,000
QB JaMarcus Russell $13,611,455
QB Ben Roethlisberger $13,220,000
QB Eli Manning $13,066,668
QB Brett Favre $12,000,000
QB Phillip Rivers $11,535,000
Franchise $16,417,000
Transition $14,552,000
RUNNING BACK
RB Reggie Bush $12,085,000
RB Brian Westbrook $11,883,334
RB LaDainian Tomlinson $7,541,669
RB Steven Jackson $7,399,166
RB Darren Sproles $6,621,000
RB Clinton Portis $6,171,085
RB Frank Gore $6,164,250
RB Jamal Lewis $6,143,750
RB Maurice Jones-Drew $6,090,000
RB Ronnie Brown $6,056,933
Franchise $9,106,000
Transition $7,616,000
SAFETY
S Adrian Wilson $7,039,503
S Troy Polamalu $6,495,000
S Ed Reed $6,400,000
S OJ Atogwe $6,342,021
S Chris Hope $6,000,002
S Ken Hamlin $5,805,000
S LaRon Landry $5,644,333
S Bob Sanders $5,630,836
S Madieu Williams $5,286,666
S Kerry Rhodes $5,502,666
Franchise $6,455,000
Transition $6,015,000
TIGHT END
TE Dallas Clark $6,773,333
TE Daniel Graham $6,450,000
TE Todd Heap $6,367,500
TE Kellen Winslow $5,170,000
TE Vernon Davis $4,780,000
TE Jason Witten $4,700,000
TE Heath Miller $4,672,500
TE Randy McMichael $4,600,000
TE Tony Gonzalez $4,500,000
TE Bo Scaife $4,462,000
Franchise $5,908,000
Transition $5,248,000
WIDE RECEIVER
WR Larry Fitzgerald $10,893,332
WR Antonio Bryant $9,884,000
WR Randy Moss $9,650,000
WR Steve Smith $8,997,527
WR Greg Jennings $8,147,500
WR Roddy White $8,106,250
WR Chad Johnson $7,665,574
WR Deion Branch $7,540,000
WR Andre Johnson $7,466,752
WR Laveranues Coles $7,400,000
Franchise $9,514,000
Transition $8,575,000
Before people freak out about the salaries of Joe Staley and Justin Smith, remember that this amount includes signing bonuses and roster bonuses.
Some real life examples here. The Panthers could franchise Julius Peppers again. This year the likely franchise tag amount would be about $12 million, however the Panthers would have to pay Peppers 120% of his current salary in order to keep him, which would make his salary just over $20 million, which is way too pricey for any player but a Hall of Famer QB. The Chargers franchised Darren Sproles last year, and it's unlikely that they'll do it again, but if they were they'd have to pay him almost $8 million a year. In the case of the 49ers if we franchise Franklin the team will be looking at just over $7 million to retain his services for the next year.
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Awesome Post
I was never really sure on how the ‘tags’ worked so this post provided a lot of informatoin for me. Thanks and keep it coming.
Excellent work!!
Thanks very much for your efforts and excellent post.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 3, 2010 8:24 AM PST reply actions
sign and draft...
Staley’s the highest paid tackle!!
that cracks me up. I know it’s because his contract was front-loaded because we had space this year but damn, that’s still funny.
by foosball4949 on Feb 3, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Staley
His salary is $3 million with $12 million roster bonus this year.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I know
but he’s being pad 17 times as much money as Willis….that’s all, I’m just amused
Willis is still on his rookie contract
that’s just the way it works out.
Willis got the same amount guaranteed in his contract but is paid less per year.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
whoa thanks smileyman
great work
"The Football The 49ers Team has The excitement of the bear, the velocity of the deer and strenght of the buffalo.
Thanks for taking the time and putting together the information.
But there’s something I don’t quite understand about the transition tag – maybe you could help me here.
The transition tag gives the player’s old team Right of First Refusal, which means that if the player reaches an agreement with another team the old team has the right to match that offer.
So, if another team offers that player, say, 45m for 5 years plus a 10m signing bonus, his old team, if they want to keep him, would have to offer him the same 45m for 5 years plus 10m, right? Then what does this mean:
If they match that offer the player has to sign the one year contract.
I figured that, if they match the other team’s offer, that would earn him the same contract from his old team that he would have gotten from the other team – so what is that one year contract about?
Whatever the player would make in his first year
So let’s say that 45 mil is split up into a first year deal 8 million, 2nd year deal of 8 million, 3rd year 10 million, 4th year deal of 11 million, and 5th year 8 million. The old team (if they wanted to keep him) would have to offer a one year deal worth $18 million ($10 million for the guaranteed money, $8 million for the first year salary). If that is not greater than the franchise amount or 120% of the player’s previous salary the old team has to raise it up.
So let’s take Julius Peppers as our example again. He made $16.7 million this year. The Chargers decide that Merriman is too old so they release him and go after Peppers to play OLB. Peppers signs a five year deal worth $75 million with another $15 million in guaranteed money. The deal gets split up like so 1st year—$9 million, 2nd year $16 million, 3rd year $17 million, 4th year $18 million, 5th year (voidable) $15million.
The first year salary plus his bonus money comes to $26 million. Carolina would have to give Peppers a one year deal worth that much money.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I would think it's $24 million (9 + 15)?
But thank you, I think I get it now.
Yeah
that’s what we call an id 10 t error.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
by smileyman on Feb 3, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Feb 3, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
If they were to trade franklin for a draft pick what would be his value?
49ers are the best there was the best there is and the best there ever will be
by swagger on Feb 3, 2010 9:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions
If what I saw about Aubrayo's salary is right
He would get a pretty sizeable raise with the franchise tag. I could be wrong, but I don’t think he would mind having it put on him. I say put it on him this year. My question is, could he then become an RFA after the end of next season so we can see what the market offers him?
Franklin
he signed a 3 year deal worth $6 million, but part of that (I don’t recall how much) was guaranteed money. His 2009 salary was something like $1.5 million so if we franchise him he’ll get a $6 million dollar pay raise. Patrick Willis considers him the best NT in the business so we’ll see what happens.
Franklin has been in the league now for 7 seasons, so he’s an unrestricted free agent no matter what.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Ok
So hypothetically, can he have the tag put on him, and then if he’s doing well enough next season be signed to an extension before becoming a UFA?
Franchise him to...
see if he cant be consistent and then give him a long term after that
that's what I think too
I want to make sure it’s not a flash in the pan, but then again, if he plays great again next year he is going to cost more than just signing him to a contract this year. If he IS good, let’s just sign him. $5 million a year for 3 years, is cheaper than $7 million this year, then $6 million a year for 3 years when he tears it up again.
Id be ok with tading him for a second rounder
49ers are the best there was the best there is and the best there ever will be
by swagger on Feb 3, 2010 9:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't
a 2nd rounder wouldn’t have the experience and skills that a 7 year veteran would. Patrick Willis considers him the best NT in the game (this may just be some love going out to a teammate but I don’t think so)
“Oh man, I pray to God they keep Aubrayo,” linebacker Patrick Willis said. “The coaches know where my heart is. I’d say he’s the best nose (tackle) in the game. Nobody plays with better technique. Nobody knows the game better than he knows it.”
Willis led the league in tackles and gives Franklin a lot of the credit. “He keeps my head from getting busted on every play,” Willis said. “I make a lot of plays because of those three guys up front, especially Aubrayo. He holds double-teams and allows me to make a play.”
Players Want Franklin Resigned
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I didnt know that
If bam bam wants franklin then we should sign franklin
49ers are the best there was the best there is and the best there ever will be
by swagger on Feb 3, 2010 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
again....
Willis has played with so many of the elite NT that he is qualified to know this? I love Willis, but please don’t take his words as written in stone.
He's watched more game film than any of us
so I think he’s seen his fair share of NT play
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Awesome job smileyman
Good to have both yours and drummers insight on the front page now. Look forward to many more well thought out and written articles like this one.
I chose “Franchise Franklin”. I believe he is getting up there in age, 29 going on 30 next season, I believe. So signing him to a long-term deal is sort of out of the question in my point of view. We will have to draft a replacement, but I don’t like this years draft to do it. Dan Williams would be the only guy I would consider, however, I don’t think I would be willing to spend a first on him while Abrayo is still here. Maybe next year or the year after.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
NT is a position where age really isn't a huge factor
Examples:
Kelly Gregg (Baltimore) is 33
Bryan Robinson (Arizona) is 35
Casey Hampton (Steelers) is 32
Vince Wilfork (Patriots) is 28
Jay Ratliff (Cowboys) is 28
Franklin is only 29. I would franchise him for a year, see how he does and then sign him to a four year deal.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
But you’re talking about a long-term deal which to me means 5 years or so. Hampton, Robinson, and Gregg are pretty much are non-factors for their respective teams… I think largely due to their age. Robinson is probably the best example of it. He was once a dominating force and not so much now. Bot to mention some of these guys are 43 converts.
I think even a four-year deal would be too long. If we can get a guy in free agency as a back up and for a 1 year stop gap, then we should be able to spend a 1st rounder on a NT eventually. I am scared that Sing is going to like Cody though in the second because Alabama used him much like the Bears used Fridge Perry.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
In 5 years Franklin will be 34
Hampton—43 tackles, 2.5 FF.
Wilfork—43 tackles, 2 PD, 1 FF
Ratliff—40 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 FF
Robinson—28 tackles, 1 sack, 3 PD
Kelly Gregg—63 tackles, 3 sacks
Aubrayo Franklin—36 tackles, 1 INT, 2 FF
Robinson is the oldest and has the least production (but he hasn’t been productive for 3 years). The rest of the older NT have been very productive and are still productive. I think Franklin has another 5 years in him of productive work.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
YES STATS!
my kinda post, you must be a virgo.lol.
good breakdown of all teh positions by $$$$. kinda weird seeing staley and bush as the top paid OL and RB though.
as for franklin id try to sign him and draft a NT. ive also been on the sign seymour front to play opposite smith.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Feb 3, 2010 9:56 AM PST reply actions
He's a pisces
I only know because my daughter’s b’day is March 4. :)
But yeah I’m a virgo and I’m all about numbers.
Yup pisces
weirdly enough I hate math, but for whatever reason stats is a different ball game for me.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Good to see
a fellow Pisces :-) And yeah it’s odd with Math. I mean arithmetic chances are I’ll screw it up but higher math I’m usually ok with. We Pisces are odd but the cool kinda odd :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 4, 2010 5:39 AM PST up reply actions
i voted something different
bc the 49ers efforts would have to be a combination of those options.
1. best case for them would be to sign him to a 3-4 year deal and draft a nt to develop, should he go down with an injury or perform poorly. If he was ever to become a free agent this is a good year. With Wilfork and Hampton out there he’s not the lone option for teams that may be desperate for a NT throwing money at him because they have no other options. With more teams in transition to a 3-4, experienced NT’s will be valued higher than in previous years though.
2. if we cant lock him up with a multi year deal, i think we have to tag him for this year. if we do tag him, the 49ers should look at a NT in the earlier rounds, maybe even as high as the 2nd if the talent is there. I dont see Sopoaga staying around after his contract expires. Hes a depth guy…he hasnt proven to be very effective as a starting NT or DE and his contract would likely not be worth what he provides in depth.
Definitely on board with drafting a NT
just not sure we need to do it in the high rounds.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Look for Powe Next year
Or maybe another guy but I think Powe will be good and attainable by us. BUt sign AF to a 3 yr mid next season after you see what “the boy” is made of. Then for a year or two you can have Powe learning from him. Just an idea
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 4, 2010 5:41 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
everything u say is the safe bet and it makes it possible to see if he is gonna get better or atleast stay at the same pace….along with allowing him to school someone younger. As for Sopoaga it can go both ways…one thing the niners need is depth imo….someone gets hurt it means we move players around to fill the hole…which is never good.
question...
the guys you have included in the top 5 salaries at each position include current 1 year tendered franchised players. Would those salaries be taken into consideration of the top 5 at each position when calculating what a franchise tag would be for 2010? i dont think guys like bryant, sproles or peppers should count in that calculation because they are FA’s as far as 2010 goes
Depends on the tag
Exclusive (meaning the player can’t negotiate with another team) is the top 5 salaries as of the end of free agency, so the numbers fluctuate depending on what gets done.
Non-exclusive (meaning the player can negotiate with other teams) is based on the previous year’s salary (i.e. 2009 season salary), so those numbers are good.
The numbers will change a bit, but they should be fairly close to what’s listed.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
the niner franchise
Does anyone know where we stand in terms of revenue as a franchise? When news came down that we landed a ‘home game’ in london, a reader remarked that we’ve (one of) the lowest home game revenues in the league.
If no CBA is reached, are we going to have some trouble signing our 2010 FA’s, or is it just a matter of the FO making the commitment to win at any cost?
Based on salary cap
we’re something like $53 million under. As far as the financial health of the organization in general I couldn’t tell you.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Probably me who made that comment
It’s true that Candlestick is severely outdated when it comes to revenue generation. The main reason the 49ers are so willing to pony up their own money to build in Santa Clara is those 150 luxury box suites will pay for the stadium itself. The team missed cashing in on the entire dot com boom because they had no expensive luxury suites to sell those impressionable start ups who would have thrown a gob of money at the 49ers to make their business look powerful and legit.
On the other hand the 49ers payroll is ridiculously low. In fact, if the CBA hadn’t expired the 49ers would likely have been forced to open up their pocket book since they have kept their salary numbers low for years. Teams are required to spend so much on players within a given time span. FYI, this is the reason why Al Davis gave out those ridiculous contracts a few years ago (Javon Walker $34 million). Al wasn’t just senile, he had to comply with league rules and spend some money on the players.
This is excellent
However, I do got some questions for you as I use PFF, FO, PFR, and I tried AFS but for some reason nothing they actually did appealed to me in ways that I could use to prove one way or another. Also, take a look at Yahoo! Sports and look at their complete breakdowns of pretty much everything. It only works for current players, but its nice. Anyway…
1. How much do you trust PFF? Myself and a couple of friends have found problems with the website in general. It starts at their rankings, then drops off to other certain spots.
2. Any idea why the NFL is so far behind when trying to quantify everything?
The actual post.. is absolutely brilliant. Its a wonderful breakdown and I’m glad I actually got to read this post, so I thank you for it.
PFF
PFF has some problems, but I think as long as it’s acknowledged in the post, it gives us something to work with. It’s just taken with a grain of salt.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Feb 3, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
PFF has had a lot of problems that a lot of my friends who use have a hard time overlooking. We’ve actually stopped using it when creating posts and such and comparing players because they’ve had a lot of problems.
They’re just like FO who watch every play, right?
yeah they watch every play
then give it a grade based on the impact of the player on the play whether negative, positive or neutral. That’s how they get their rankings.
It’s better than a pure stat comparison, bu it’s really subjective which is why I don’t rely on that part of it so much. What I do love is the way they break everything down.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I ignore PFF's rankings
I just use them for the situational stats. I love that they break down things like balls batted down, dropped passes, that sort of thing.
I understand what they’re trying to do with their ranking system but it doesn’t work for me-it’s still too subjective.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Their defensive stats are quite amazing. Its fun to prove to people that Kevin Williams NOT Albert Haynesworth is the best DT in the NFL. Too bad nobody else understands them.
As for their rankings…at one point during the year, they had Garrard 8th and Manning 20th.
As for their rankings…at one point during the year, they had Garrard 8th and Manning 20th.
Guess they got one thing right, the QB they ranked higher went to the Pro Bowl while the other didn’t…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 3, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
here we go
niners better franchise franklin or sign him 2 a 3 year deal niners was one of the best teams against the run because of franklin no he does fit the normal typical nt but he gets the job does and when one of you’re best players are saying sucsess is because of him u need 2 listen plus its on tape u he pulls his weight get rid of sopaga or trade him thats the leak ya he plays the run good but thats it he gets no pressure on the QB we need 2 worry about that secondary we got leaks out there what are we doing with kentwan balmer theres pressure on him 2 step up this year him and clements 2 me i havent see the buffalo clements ive seena good rushing the running back db that gets burned deep every now and then still need another safety and really don’t know who is going 2 be that third db we got leaks but franklin is not one them.
Did I read drummer is going to be a front page poster?
Someone finally willing to yield that ban-hammer! Watch out GeoMak and SpurredOn or is this the reason I haven’t seen them lately?
BTW, where is Nate Clements on that list? 100k Nate Clements is overpaid comments the last few years and not a single author of those comments even bother to chime in and say, “OK . . . he doesn’t make that much”.
I've got a word file saved
with Clement’s contract numbers because I keep hearing over and over again that he’s over paid.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Great job
I know how much time it takes to find all that information so I apreciate what you did. Keep it up.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
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