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San Francisco 49ers WR Jerry Rice: The best NFL player ever?

The NFL will announce its 2010 Hall of Fame class on Saturday, the day before the Super Bowl.  One of the candidates is 49ers WR Jerry Rice, who will clearly make the team in his first year of eligibility.  Given that there is no drama in that decision, ESPN decided to do attempt to generate some additional discussion.  Early yesterday, Mike Sando put together a piece on "The case for Rice as the greatest [NFL player] ever."  Naturally it generated a good deal of discussion and Sando received numerous email responses, which he posted earlier today.

Given the nature of the NFL, it really is hard to declare a single player as the greatest of all time.  Football has changed dramatically over the course of its history.  A sport like baseball has had changes, but not really on the level of football, which makes it a little bit easier (although still difficult) to compare players across positions and across eras.  With football, each position is so unique from many other positions.

In looking at other potential players in the conversation, Sando mentioned the discussion might include along side Rice, Otto Graham, Jim Brown, Sammy Baugh, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Don Hutson, Walter Payton and Barry Sanders.  If you're talking football in general, a guy like Jim Thorpe would certainly have to be included.

To give you something to work with, feel free to check out the NFL's 75th Anniversary team that was selected back in 1994.  Jerry Rice had arguably the most dominant statistical career, but I don't know if it's possible to declare a single NFL player the greatest ever.

I will say, my favorite email from Sando's mailbog of responses was by Bob from Winter Garden, Florida:

Mike, I am sure that you are a bright young man and a good writer, but you quote statistics like they are indisputable proof. You should remember that statistics are for losers. What you should be thinking about when deciding who was the best ever, the proof should be who dominated the game, league, etc., more than anyone during the time that they played. There is only one answer and that is Jimmy Brown. If you had ever seen him play, you would be convinced. He was bigger, faster, stronger than any linebackers in the league. He describes his talent as "strength, power, speed, vision and balance". He is the best football player that ever lived.

Thanks so much Bob.  Initially I actually stopped reading when I read that line.  Statistics are never the be-all end-all, but to say that is just so incredibly ignorant.  Proof who dominated the league?  I'd say Jerry Rice's statistics indicate a certain level of dominance, don't you think?  But I suppose I'm just a loser so feel free to ignore me.

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Jerry Rice’s accomplishments in the league completely defy comparison to any other player. Even a cursory look at what he did makes it clear that nobody else stands up. When you look at other players, even when you look at era domination, the only names you can even start to put in the same league as Rice are guys like Otto Graham – revolutionary players who were years ahead of the league they played in.

Seriously. It’s not even open for debate. What Rice did over the course of two decades was ridiculous on nearly incomprehensible levels. He makes all time lists in areas that only running backs should have any place in. His all time achievements as a receiver are something like 40% better than any other receiver who has ever played.

To anybody who doesn’t understand this, I just have to say one thing: “I mean, come on. Seriously. Come on.”

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 4, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

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by 49erLou on Feb 4, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

There's only one other person who dominated like Rice did...

He was another WR too and is almost impossible to rank because of what he did.

I wouldn’t say he was better than Jerry, but what that man did in this time really makes you wonder. His stats (overall) aren’t the greatest, but his %’s (which you should actually look at) were huge.

Either way, there are probably 4 or 5 guys in the discussion for greatest NFL player of all time. Its nice that 2 of them (possibly 3 if you include Lott) were 49ers.

by Owner on Feb 4, 2010 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

I’m trying to figure out who you’re talking about… and failing.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 4, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Well he played well before Jerry Rice’s time.

Hell, he played before 1950. The guy completely dominated even those his numbers will never, ever show it.

by Owner on Feb 4, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s still not particularly explicit.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 4, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Don Hutson?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 4, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Its nice seeing somebody that payed attention to the 30’s and 40’s.

I can’t say I did but I’ve had many conversations about that man.

by Owner on Feb 4, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I’ll admit that I had to do a little bit of research.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 4, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

If you take a look at his %‘s of his teams total yards, and receptions, along with TD’s, its mind blowing how much he dominated. Same with overall numbers.

I don’t like counting stats much, but %’s makes the world go round.

by Owner on Feb 4, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

hutson

apparently also kicked field goals for his team too….pretty impressive!

it does go to show that it’s so difficult to make a difinitive statement when comparing across eras. players in hutson’s days also played both ways (hubba) and laid the foundations for the modern game.
When you match the numbers, hutson is the only guy to have receiving numbers in rice’s stratus.
What will set people’s impressions, though, is that hutson (taking this from wikipedia…i know little of his body of work) revolutionized WR routes and pioneered the aerial attacks that the league came to emulate.

the question then is, what did rice do to revolutionize the game? i would answer that he set a standard for work ethic, as his was famous…how he always took his practice routes to the endzone, and he daily ran ‘the hill’ in san francisco.

by t p on Feb 4, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there's only 2

Jerry Rice and Jim Brown.

They’re totally different players from totally different eras with totally different accomplishments. Rice was the king of longevity while Brown was probably the best player in the league every season he played, but only played 9 years.

You can make a lot of arguments why each is the greatest of all time. I don’t think you can go wrong with either.

by microwave donut on Feb 4, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't even thinking of Brown

Who would have been 3rd on that list. The one knock against Brown is the fact that his back-up RB (after he retired) came in and still had huge seasons after that. I still call Brown the best RB of all time and if he hadn’t retired (Same with Sanders) guys would be breaking their records today.

I think people look at “Seasons played” and make their picks just based off of that. If you’ve played 20 seasons, your total numbers better be good. That’s why I love Jim Brown so much.

As far as there only being 2…there’s another one.

by Owner on Feb 4, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Jim Brown is on the short list.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 4, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

There is no player better than Rice, at any position.

Brown, IMO, was not even the best RB that played.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

I think you will enjoy this:

Some guy (a Seahawks fan) said he thought Andre Johnson was the best WR of all time.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 4, 2010 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

That is what I would expect from a Seahawks fan. I’m sure he could prove it using his advanced statistical formula and graphing calculator.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

''' Don hutson wow lmbao ( that's laughing my black ass off ) wow!

But 4 real its jerry rice he domintated just like Barry Bonds dominated ‘’’ ya i know ‘’ thats another story but he did with 2 not one 2 different quaterbacks one leftanded and hardheaded diva he did over in oakland not 2 the point in frisco but he was just as responsible as taking that team 2 the superbowl as was gannon with a top 5 offense it pisses people off because he did it so smoothly no it wasnt with the power and speed like jim brown or with relentess grace of a walter payton but he it with on the big stage the big games and the little games the playoffs and the superbowls no he’‘s never gonna get props 4 being the toughest or the fastest but he dominated and his stats still dominate over people you got wide receivers that haven’t been born yet that needs 2 beat some records and the other half are retired and sportscasters so you can look at the other names and compare there records 2 jerry rice and you tell me who dominated

by jayjonna415 on Feb 4, 2010 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

I can’t read that, and I’m not going to try.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 4, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

I tried to read it too and then said to myself…. “I’ll read a differend” then I saw yours lol….

by D-9er on Feb 4, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Jim Brown was a force to be reckoned with in his day...

But Jerry has to take home the best player designation. When he broke Jim Brown’s TD record there was a lot of controversy on who was the best but for the most part Jerry’s play and stats speak for themselves.

by Natural Red on Feb 4, 2010 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

WOW

This morning I was watching ESPN 8 “the ocho”(just kidding, it was ESPN 2). The episodes are called 1st and 10, where 2 people debate on a topic. 1 guy was Skip Bayless, and the topic was the greatest WR ever. The other guy hands down, without hesitation, picks Rice. Skip then said, if you’re talking about stats, then of course he’s the greatest ever, but if I wanna win multiple championships, I’m picking Michael Irvin. He then said that Irvin made Aikman but Montana made Rice……………………………………………………………………….I turned off my TV, realizing that this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

by sundaysfinest on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

skip bayless

wrote for the Dallas Morning News and is biased. i doubt he really felt that irvin was better than rice though…i think it’s just a matter of debating for the sake of debating.

by t p on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Skip Bayless

Aside from writing for the Dallas Morning News, the man is a buffoon. He talks crap just to make up arguments. I’d say the Cowboys offensive line made Aikman more than anything else.

by David Fucillo on Feb 4, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

This

Skip is an absolute moron. He’s more than willing to say stupid things just to draw more attention to himself.

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by BrianBokake on Feb 4, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Rice

Didn’t he break the single season touchdown record in a shortened strike season?

How many times has Joe Montana thrown an interception in a super bowl?

by Tony C on Feb 4, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

Brown was extremely exciting,

But Rice was just better. That makes him the best ever of all players.

by Vertigo on Feb 4, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions  

It’s not just amazing how many records Rice has, but how much his stats absolutely dominate anybody elses’.

Rice – 1549 rec.
Harrison – 1102 rec.

Rice – 22,895 rec. yards
Bruce – 15,208 rec. yards

Rice – 197 rec. TD
Moss – 148 rec. TD

That’s ridiculous.

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by YaHeard on Feb 4, 2010 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

It’s not just that.

The single-season TD record is DOMINATED by running backs. 9 of the top 11 single-season performances in that categoard and only something like 5 of the top 50 are held by non running backs. And Rice is tied for 8th.

He’s the career TD leader of ALL positions, with more than 30 career TDs than the next closest player (Emmit Smith), and more than 50 career TDs than the guy AFTER Smith.

He’s 26th all-time for points scored in the NFL. The ONLY non-kicker on the list until Emmit Smith at 39.

And he has more yards from scrimmage than any player in history, regardless of position. Emmit Smith is next with almost 2000 fewer yards, and you don’t get another non-RB on the list until Isaac Bruce at 14.

He didn’t just dominate receivers. He basically dominated everybody. Receivers. Running Backs. Kickers. You name it.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Not bad coming for a late 1st round pick from a school that was and still is Div I-AA.

What in the hell did the college recruiters not see in him??? :)

by Mangoman on Feb 5, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

He was mid first round

picked 16th by the Niners.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 5, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

9 of the top 11 single-season performances in that categoard and only something like 5 of the top 50 are held by non running backs.

Whoops. That makes no sense. I meant, 9 of the top 11 and something like 45 of the top 50 are held by running backs.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

almost correct

jerry rice AND joe montana are the best players ever.

man how far my 9ers have fallen. shrug

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by redrum21225 on Feb 5, 2010 6:36 AM PST reply actions  

Answer this

Who did Rice catch more TDs from ? Montana or Young ?

by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 5, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Not a fair question

Young was with Rice for more years than Montana was

Montana to Rice—79 TDs
Young to Rice—97 TDs

TDs per season from Montana to Rice—13
TDs per season from Young to Rice—14

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 5, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

hm

good question. i don’t know. i’d have to look it up when i get off work.

"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Feb 5, 2010 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

?

am i less of a 9er fan for not knowing this off the top of my head? lol

"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Feb 5, 2010 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

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