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Official NN User Mock Draft Thread 2.0 (02/04/10)

Fooch's Note: We've created this thread so people can post their mock drafts in one place and allow people to discuss them and compare them with others.  Please use this thread instead of creating a new FanPost.  I'm leaving BrodieMan's FanPost up because the discussion has gotten sufficiently detailed already.  But for future mocks, go ahead and place them here.

1. ST. LOUIS RAMS

St. Louis (1-15) - Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska- The Rams will have a hard time pondering this pick until they look at their options of a QB of the future. Hands down the most dominate interior lineman out of this draft. Defense wins championships, wait, according to the Superbowl it's false, but according to the Jets it would be best to put one together until another Manning comes along. (rlott#42)

1. RAMS Ndamukong Suh, DT (smileyman)
The Rams have two glaring needs this offseason. One is at the QB spot. One is on their defense. My guess is that they find a QB in the offseason to act as a stopgap while they fix their other problems, especially since their head coach is a former defensive cooridinator. In this draft there are two clear consenus picks for best overall players. The first is a boy named Suh, and the second is Eric Berry. No safety has ever been drafted in the top 5 of the draft, and this year will not be the year that it happens. The Rams have a fairly solid defensive line, and by adding Suh they will dramatically increase their ability to apply pressure on opposing quarterbacks which will in turn help out their secondary immensely.

1. St. Louis (1-15 Ndamukon Suh, DT-Nebraska (chikmagnet_565)

I believe the Rams currently have the worst QB situation in the NFL. Free Agency, however, hasn't started yet. So we don't know what the Rams will do about their QBs.
Will they select one with the No.1 overall pick? Possibly.
Will they acquire one through a trade? Possibly
Will they pick up a FA QB? Possibly. With that said, the only thing I can do here is give them the BPA that gives them the most value. And that's Suh (although I believe Eric Berry may be a better football player, Ndamukong Suh gives them more value).

1, Rams -- Ndamukong Suh DT (Drew K)

This pick will be the one that doesn't move for me. Suh will be signed before the draft even kicks off. Spagnualo likes his defensive line and he's going to love it with Suh.

 

2. DETROIT LIONS

Detroit (2-14) - Russell Okung LT Oklahoma St.- The Lions have a 70 million dollar Qb, that finished his season on the IR. They also have a defense that can't stop the run or pass. This pick coul be McCoy or Berry, but I think the hits to a highly paid Qb would be the first issue to address, especially since Okung seems to be a sure fire LT.  (rlott#42)

2. LIONS Gerald McCoy, DT (smileyman)
The Lions have struggled mightily over the past decade, but I think they're starting to move in the right direction. Their offense has shown that it has the ability to put up big points, and I think that Stafford can become a big star in the league. The kid is tough and plays with grit, something that I think few of us thought he would do. Drafting McCoy will immediately improve their run defense as well as help out their secondary.

2. Detroit (2-14) Gerald McCoy, DT-Oklahoma (chikmagnet_565)

The Lions just gave Matt Stafford a $70 million contract. You'd think that they want to select a LT to help protect their investment, right? Wrong. The Lions are inept (shocking) and they believe that Jeff Backus is actually a good football player (they gave him a beefy 6 year, $40 million contract in 2006). They even selected Brandon Pettigrew over Michael Oher last year. Unfortunately Matt Stafford will continue to get pounded for the foreseeable future. At least they're still getting a good player in Gerald McCoy though, perhaps he'll help them go from being the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL to 31st?

2. Lions -- Gerald McCoy DT (Drew K)

McCoy is not a Ndamukong Suh, but who really is? McCoy is very talented in his own right but for whatever reason hasn't received the same "hype" that Suh has. The Lions will see past this and be very pleased with this pick.

 

3. TAMPA BAY BUCS

Tampa Bay (3-13) - Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma - Arguably on the same level as Suh, however, he did not almost single handedly make McCoy whiff on the Heisman trophy. The Buccs have not had a presence on the defensive line since Sapp. The scheme is the same, but the defense is not getting it done. Eric Berry could be an option here, but when the Buccs were on top the DL could not be replaced, the DB's, however, could have been. (rlott#42)


3. BUCS Derrick Morgan, DE (smileyman)
I originally had the Bucs picking Okung here because I thought they needed upgrades on their line. While they do need some upgrades there, they've actually got a fairly solid line with two young tackles who are improving. Football Outsiders actually ranks the Bucs offensive line better than ours for run blocking (we're ranked 32nd, they're ranked 29th), and much better at pass blocking (we're ranked 24th in pass blocking, they're ranked 11th.). Their pass defense is middle of the league but their run defense is horrid, giving up almost 160 yards per game on the ground. Derrick Morgan will be an instant upgrade for them and should provide a dramatic help in their run defense.

3. Tampa Bay (3-13) Eric Berry, S-Tennessee (chikmagnet_565)

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are incredibly stupid. They had their season victory (vs. GB) already and were just about ready to lock up the No.1 overall draft pick which they would have used to select Ndamukong Suh. This would have given them the best player in the draft while addressing their No.1 need. Unfortunately they decided to pull off two meaningless victories and they ended up with the 3rd overall pick. Now they aren't even going to get Gerald McCoy. I blame Raheem Morris for realizing he was about to be fired and pulling of a few victories to save his own [site decorum]. Way to screw the franchise over Morris, you [site decorum]! Anyways, in this mock they are forced to select Eric Berry which will make NFL draft history (no safety has ever been drafted higher than No.5 overall). Eric Berry isn't a bad player, don't get me wrong, but he won't provide the same impact a guy like McCoy or Suh could.

3. Bucs -- Russell Okung OL (Drew K)

Freeman struggled to stay in the pocket and deliver passes on time and accurately. Okung will help build the confidence of the young talented Quarterback.

 

 4. WASHINGTON REDSKINS

Washington (4-12) - Bruce Campbell LT Maryland- Shanahan has a decision to make concerning Campbell at QB. I think the Skins will use the franchise tag on him, however that could bring a huge 1 year price for an avarage QB. I also don't think Mike will reach for any QB in this draft and I think D LeFevour will be the QB he likes most. So, the skins will shore up the LT position, with Samuels not as durable as he has been. (rlott#42)


4. REDSKINS Russel Okung, OT (smileyman)
The Redskins have shown flashes of greatness but haven't been able to do anything consistently. They have a pretty good defense, but sorely need help on the offensive side of the ball. I originally had them picking Clausen here but I think they stick with Campbell for one more year (he'll be an RFA this year). I suspect they'll still have a top 10 pick next year and so can grab a QB next year. Levi Jones is in his 8th season, and Mike Williams is a converted guard. They could use a stud LT.

4. Washington (4-12) Jimmy Clausen,QB-Notre Dame (chikmagnet_565)

This pick was tough. I think it will be more clear once FA starts. If Shanahan decides to keep Jason Campbell as his QB then this pick will probably be an OT. If Shanahan doesn't feel Campbell will be an effective QB for him then this pick will be either Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford. I'm giving Clausen the edge here because he played in a pro offense at Notre Dame (led by a current NFL coach). He will transition into Shanahan's offense easily, IMO. Why do I think he's a good fit for Shanahan's offense? Well, he has a very strong arm and puts a lot of heat on his short/intermediate throws (while maintaining his accuracy) and he's mobile enough out of the pocket to extend some plays (remind you of anyone?).

4. Redskins -- Eric Berry SS (Drew K)

Berry is the missing link to the Redskins having one of the best, if not the best, secondary in the NFL. Their current Strong Safety situation is hurting. Berry will be the BPA here for the Skins and Shanahan will pull the trigger. Campbell will more than likely be the starter in Washington one more year.

 

5. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

Kansas City (4-12) - Dan Williams NT Tennessee- In a previous mock, I had mount Cody going to the Chiefs, I think it is pitiful when a no name RB from the Browns carves your defense up for almost 300 yards. Williams can anchor the NT position for years to come. (Trading down is my number 1 option, with Cody's stock plummiting)  (rlott#42)


5. CHIEFS Eric Berry, S (smileyman)
The Chiefs have struggled all around. They need help on the offensive line, they need an inside linebacker, and they need a safety. I think they reach for the best safety in this year's draft class, and one of the best defensive players to come out in years.

5. Kansas City (4-12) Russell Okung, OT-Oklahoma State (chikmagnet_565)

I'm very shaky with this selection. The Chiefs selected Branden Albert with the 15th overall pick in the 2008 NFL draft. He hasn't exactly panned out (to say the least). He seemed to improve late in the season however 2 of the last four games the Chiefs played were against the Bills and the Browns (not exactly tough opponents).We all know that the Chief's signing of Matt Cassell was a huge mistake, but that mistake will cost them $63 million. They're going to have to protect that money.Perhaps they'll move Albert to RT and put Okung at LT?

5. Chiefs -- Rolando McClain LB (Drew K)

The Butkus Award Winner is like having a coach on the field for the defense. The Chiefs defense lost them a few games this past season and there is not really a true leader on the defensive side of the ball. McClain will step in and give them that fire on defense a team needs to make the playoffs.

 

6. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

Seattle (5-11)- Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame- Pete Carrol would love to have Clausen fall in his lap at this selection. A no brainer for a new coach that wants to implement a new system. (rlott#42)


6. SEAHAWKS Joe Haden, CB (smileyman)
Like us the Seahawks have the luxury of two 1st round draft picks, and they're going to desperately need them. They have the 30th ranked passing defense. Their run defense is decent but the pass defense is killing them. They have issues on offense too. Hasselbeck is getting old and they don't have a replacement for him. Their line struggles as well (25th in running, 22nd passing). With the first pick here they grab a player that can help out in their secondary where they have needs at nearly every position.

6. Seattle (5-11) Sam Bradford, QB-Oklahoma (chikmagnet_565)

The Seahawks have 4 glaring needs: Offensive Tackle, Quarterback, Defensive end, and Running back (probably in that order). I don't feel any OT available here is currently worth the 6th overall pick. This could certainly change after the combine, but for now I'll give them Sam Bradford. I don't know how Pete Carroll feels about Sam Bradford, but we should probably know, as some inside info is released as we approach the draft. Derrick Morgan was also considered here but I feel his stock was hurt quite a bit when he was dominated by both Bryan Bulaga and Tony Moeaki (a TE) in the Orange Bowl.

6. Seahawks -- Jimmy Clausen (Drew K)

Clausen makes the most sense here... Bradford is a spread-style Quarterback and the one thing we know about Carroll is that he tried very hard to stay away from "spread-ball" when he coached at USC. With Hasselbeck getting old and brittle, Clausen will be the best fit for the Hawks number one pick.

 

7. CLEVELAND BROWNS

Cleveland (5-11) - Eric Berry S Tennessee - Cleveland will either select the BPA or the best WR on the board. With Berry falling here and the draft deep wih WR's the Browns choose to bolster their passing defense with the pick. (rlott#42)


7. BROWNS Dez Bryant, WR (smileyman)
The Browns have issues everywhere, but especially on offense. Their starting QB only completed 53% of his passes, their starting WRs are Mike Furrey and Mohamed Massaquoi. Their offensive line is actually pretty good, and Quinn is only in the 3rd year of his contract. I think that Holmgren will give him another chance, and he'll draft some help on the offensive side of the ball.

7. Cleveland (5-11) Dez Bryant, WR-Oklahoma State (chikmagnet_565)

This pick could go a variety of ways. The Browns aren't very good at anything. They have a great LT in Joe Thomas and a monster NT in Shaun Rodgers, other than those two? Not much else (perhaps CB Eric Wright deserves some mention but I don't think he's THAT good).What do the Browns need? Some WRs could help, perhaps some more help on the defensive line, some secondary help, a pass rusher would also be nice. It came down to Dez Bryant and Joe Haden for me. Personally, I don't think much of either player....but I'm not the one making the selection. I'll give them Bryant for now because they have ZERO talent at WR right now (I'll probably change this selection the next time I update though).

7. Joe Haden CB (Drew K)

Haden in most people's minds is a top 10 pick. The only way I can see him living up to that status is by him being drafted by the Browns. With Mangini seemingly toward the end of the year having the ability to rally the troops, and Holmgren looking over his shoulder, Haden could end up the CB that some people feel he can be.

 

8. OAKLAND RAIDERS 

Oakland (5-11) -Carlos Dunlap DE Florida- Al Davis strikes again, the athletic ability of Dunlap will have Davis salivating at his potential, but potential is all he is, another flopper for Davis. (rlott#42)


8. RAIDERS Taylor Mays, S (smileyman)
Lots of failed QB experiments in this draft. Jamarcus Russell's time in Oakland has come to an end. Gradowski played very good for them before he got hurt and I expect that they'll offer him the starting job next year and either draft a QB in the later rounds to be backup or give Charlie Frye that role. The biggest need for the Raiders (besides a new owner) is in their secondary. Taylor Mays is the perfect fit for them. He's hard hitting, exciting to watch and a big risk taker. If he has a great combine there's no way Al can pass up on him.

8. Oakland (5-11) Bruce Campbell, OT-Maryland (chikmagnet_565)

This pick was incredibly easy to make. The Raiders have a need at LT, Bruce Campbell is considered the Vernon Davis of Offensive Tackles. Learn how to draft for Al Davis: I'm including this because some fans seem to have trouble drafting for the Raiders. Al Davis always drafts need over BPA and he drafts the most athletic (fast) guys that fill his needs. LT is a need, who is the most athletic LT? Campbell, easy. Next.

8. Raiders -- Bruce Campbell (Drew K)

The Raiders need to keep their Quarterback upright no matter who it is next season. Their offensive line struggled last year and if their was a "mold" for any Raiders player, Campbell would fit perfectly. He is athletic and does well in run and pass blocking both.

 

9. BUFFALO BILLS

Buffalo (6-10) - Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma - This player was not expected to fall here, however in my mock he did just that. The Bills need a new QB. The OL has had it's shares of issues, but they started 5 players with less than a full season of experience between them, and were not last in pass protection. They will address the OL issues at a later pick with Bradford waiting to be chosen. (rlott#42)


9. BILLS Sam Bradford, QB (smileyman)
Neither Trent Edward nor Ryan Fitzpatrick are the answer at QB fo the Bills. They need help on their offensive line as well but this draft is deep enough that they can get someone in the later rounds. They pick up a QB and hope he can be their guy for the future.

9. Buffalo (6-10) Anthony Davis, OT-Rutgers (chikmagnet_565)

It seems Ralph Wilson has finally realized that being cheap isn't going to win him a Superbowl. He has vowed to do whatever it takes to make the Bills champions. Unfortunately guys like Bill Cowher and Mike Shanahan wanted nothing to do with him and his lousy franchise. He had to settle for Chan Gailey (the guy that was fired by the Chiefs in the pre-season this year). The Bills have a dire need for a QB, unfortunately all the good QBs are off the board at this point. They could also use a pass rusher, some DT/DE help, a WR, or an OT. Their DC position is currently vacant so we don't know if they'll run a 4-3 or a 3-4. This makes it tough to give them a pass rusher or a DT/DE. Which is too bad because I really want to give them Derrick Morgan but I feel that he's better suited to play in the 4-3. I decided to reach for an OT in Anthony Davis because I just don't know what the Bills are planning to do. Davis is a pretty good OT so they aren't getting a terrible player or anything like that. Feel free to give me tips as to where I should go with this selection because I'm completely baffled.

9. Bills -- Dez Bryant WR (Drew K)

With rumors flying around the rumor mill that TO wants to leave to go to the Bengals and Ralph Wilson only spending 1st round picks on QB's three times in the lonnng time (since the 70's) that he has owned them, I think they'll persue Vick in free agency since he can get cheap and be happy with a young WR like Bryant to compliment Lee Evans.

 

10. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

Jacksonville^ (7-9) - Derrick Morgan DE G Tech - The Jags could easily go with Haden at this pick, but if they think like I do, they will have players like Ghee, Warren, Cox, and Wilson waiting in the 2nd round. Morgan is the best pass rushing DE or th 4-3 setting and will go to the Jags. (rlott#42)


10. Jacksonville Earl Thomas S (smileyman)
Surprisingly Jackonsville has a top 10 offensive line, though their pass protection leaves much to be desired. The team ranks 9th in the league in rushing (hello MJD), but 19th in passing. Their defense is awful though, particularly against the pass. I originally had them taking Tim Tebow for the tickets he can sell (and they might still go that way), but I think they upgrade their defense here. Earl Thomas will provide some much needed help in the secondary.

10. Jacksonville (7-9) Derrick Morgan, DE-Georgia Tech (chikmagnet_565)

It's no secret that the Jaguars need a pass rusher. They had 14 sacks as a team. OUCH! Morgan makes perfect sense here. Tim Tebow people: While I do believe that Tim Tebow would bring a lot of $$ to Jacksonville, I just don't see the Jaguars wasting a top 10 pick on Tebow (who's looking terrible at the Senior Bowl so far) when they can take a great talent like Morgan.

10. Jags-- Anthony Davis OL (Drew K)

The Jags had a very tough time keeping Garrard upright but when they did, he did very well. If they can get and edge on that Oline, it will help MJD and Garrard be more effective.

 

11. DENVER BRONCOS

Denver - from Chicago^ (7-9) Rolando McClain - The new anchor of the middle of the field for the Broncos defense. I expect McDaniels to go with a new QB in this draft, but I think this is too high for Pike or Lefevour. (rlott#42)


11. BRONCOS FROM BEARS (6-9) Rolando McLain, LB (smileyman)
The Broncos are pretty set at offense. Kyle Orton won't end up in the Hall of Fame but he's a solid starter for them. Their offensive line is the best in the league, and any RB they draft will have great numbers behind it. They've got some great receivers as well. Where they really struggle is their defense, particularly their run defense. They run a 3-4 so I debated about giving them Terrence Cody, but Ronald Fields has been playing pretty good for them at NT. I think they improve their linebackers by picking up the best LB in the draft. McLain already plays 3-4 so won't have to adjust any and he's terrific against the run.

11. Denver - from Chicago (7-9) Rolando McClain, ILB-Alabama (chikmagnet_565)

The fact that Dez Bryant is off the board makes this selection much easier. Andra Davis is getting old and he's just not that effective anymore. The Denver Bronco's biggest weakness is stopping the run, McClain may be able to help. A DE could also be an option here, but they can't go in that direction without reaching.

11. Broncos -- Brandon Spikes LB (Drew K)

The Broncos would have rather had McClain with this pick but in my mock, with him going to the Chiefs, they will be happy enough to take Spikes here as well.

 

12. MIAMI DOLPHINS

Miami (7-9) - Brandon Graham OLB Michighan - A No brainer for the Dolphins. They have youth at a lot of positions on defense except for OLB. The Backers at the position now include Jason Taylor and the disgruntled Joey Porter. Porter can still be productive, but Parcells will not put up with the attitude that doesn't focus on team. Besides Graham has appeard to be monsterous and will ease the mind of the Dolphins for releasing Porter. (rlott#42)


12. MIAMI Bradon Graham OLB/DE (smileyman)
With Joey Porter making noises about wanting to leave Miami, and Jason Taylor getting up their in age Miami is going to be in a quandray in their OLB spots. Graham is a great pass rusher and a ferocious tackler and will provide immediate talent and youth at those positions.

12. Miami (7-9) Dan Williams, NT-Tennessee (chikmagnet_565)

Mike Nolan is cursing the Broncos for taking McClain right now. Williams is still a good pick though, Jason Ferguson is 35 and I think it would be wise to draft his replacement with this pick. A lot of people have the Dolphins taking a WR but I just don't see the Dolphins reaching for a WR right here when they can select a great player in Dan Williams (if Dez Bryant was available it would be a bit more interesting).

12. Dolphins -- Jason Pierre-Paul DE/ OLB (Drew K)

With a few pieces seemingly wanting to leave Miami, the Dolphins will need to replace them. Jason Taylor and Joey Porter may not be there next year and the Fins will needs to replace the pass rush if they do. JPP is probably the best pass rusher entering the draft this year.

 

13. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

San Francisco (8-8) Dez Bryant WR Ok St. The only thing that will make this pick change is if Bryant has the same agent as Crabtree. The Niners will now have young weapons at the WR position and will not have to make selections here for a loooong time. This is going to open things up for everyone on the field and make Smith's life easy. (Earl Thomas could also be the pick) (rlott#42)


13. SAN FRANCISCO CJ Spiller, RB (smileyman)
Scot McCloughan has stated that his drafting philosophy is BPA, and Spiller is arguably the best player on the board at this point. With two first round picks the 49ers have the option of spending a luxury pick and drafting for need. They pick up Spiller as a complementary back to Gore as well as to provide valuable assistance in the KR and PR games.

13. San Francisco (8-8) Bryan Bulaga, OT-Iowa (chikmagnet_565)

I really hate picking for the 49ers because the fan in me always gets in the way of seeing things as they are. I'm trying to look at this mock draft from a GM/Head Coach's perspective so I can get a better idea of what the pick may be. That said, I feel that Mike Singletary is pissed at the fact that he couldn't draft Michael Oher last year. He may tell Scott McCloughan that he doesn't care who else is available, he wants his OT so he can realize his "vision".

13. 49ers -- C.J. Spiller RB/WR/KR/PR (Drew K)

I put all those positions above because he can play them all. Scot M seems to be a BPA type of guy. With two 1st round picks, this pick here kills 4 birds with one stone. The offense was stagnate and could not move the ball at times. This will present headaches for opposing defensive coordinators because you can do so much with him.

 

14. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 

Seattle - from Denver (8-8) - Taylor Mays S USC- Seattle will need to address the OL soon, but Carrol will wnt to add his favortie safety from last season in Mays and take chances with later Tackle picks. (rlott#42)


14.SEATTLE Bryan Bulaga, OT (smileyman)
Having picked a solution for their secondary the Seahawks move on to their next biggest area of need, offensive line. Bulaga is the best tacle on the board at this point and should provide an immediate upgrade.

14. Seattle - from Denver (8-8) Charles Brown, OT-USC

It's the Seahawk's turn again. With a QB already selected the Hawks now have to address one of their remaining needs. This selection will probably be either an OT a WR or possibly a RB. I don't feel that there are any RBs worth selecting this high (Dwyer could possibly be a good fit but he's not worth the 14th overall pick) and Damian Williams and Taylor Mays were also considered here. Ideally I would like to give the Hawks a DE but Morgan is off the board and I don't know how they feel about Jason Pierre Paul.

14. Seahawks -- Trent Williams OL (Drew K)

Williams seems to have a lot of value being that he can play a few different positions. With the Hawks drafting a QB earlier, they will need some Oline help to keep whoever it is upright. The versatility that Williams brings to the table is the key factor in this pick.

 

15. NEW YORK GIANTS

New York Giants (8-8) Earl Thomas S Texas - The Giants have struggled mightily in pass defense and will hav to shore up the pass defense with a new ball hawking safety. (rlott#42)


15. NEW YORK GIANTS Brandon Spikes, ILB (smileyman)
How the mighty have fallen. The New York Giants won a Super Bowl mostly on the backs of their stellar defense (with a bit of help from an amazing catch by David Tyree). Now their defense is pedestrian at best and has let them get blown out by the Saints, the Eagles, the Broncos, the Panthers, and the Vikings to finish off the season. The offense can put up big points if they want to, but the defense isn't getting the job done at all. Spikes can come in and be an immediate upgrade at LB.

15. New York Giants (8-8) Brian Price, DT-UCLA (chikmagnet_565)

This pick can only be one of three positions: S, MLB, or DT. Can't Cover (C.C.) Brown was burned multiple times this season and Kenny Phillip's career is in serious jeopardy, Antonio Pierce is getting old and he too was injured this season, and the Giants DTs were not very good in 2009 which led to many changes along the G-men's defensive front this year. I considered Taylor Mays, Earl Thomas, Brian Price, and Brandon Spikes here and ultimately gave it to Price. I don't feel that Taylor Mays would be much of an upgrade over Brown, Earl Thomas' poor performance against the run doesn't make him a good fit in NY, and I just felt that Price was a better player than Spikes.

15. Giants -- Earl Thomas S (Drew K)

The Giants had major problems in the secondary this past season mainly at the safety positions. They will be looking to get back tot he top of that division and this will be one of the pieces they need.

 

16. TENNESSEE TITANS

Tennessee^ (8-8) - Sean Weatherspoon OLB Mizzou - After the knee injury to Bullock the Titans need to draft his heir apparent, and Sean Weatherspoon fits the mold. He will be a great player with and without Bullock to learn from. (rlott#42)


16. Tennessee* Sean Weatherspoon, OLB.  (smileyman)
Thanks to VY's resurgence QB is no longer a position of need for the Titans. They obviously don't need help at RB, not with Chris Johnson smashing records left and right. When the second and third leading tacklers on your team are defensive ends you know youv'e got issues at LB. Tulloch is a pretty good ILB, but the OLBs for the Titans are not very good at all. I'm thinking they upgrade their defense here by getting one of the best LBs left on the board.

16. Tennessee (8-8) Jason Pierre-Paul, DE-South Florida (chikmagnet_565)

I strongly considered Joe Haden here but I ended up going with Pierre-Paul because he fills a bigger need at this point. Perhaps this will change after FA if TEN re-signs some of it's DEs (but even then, they are still too old at the position). Personally I don't believe in Pierre-Paul and I think he's this year's Aaron Maybin.

16. Titans -- Derrick Morgan DE (Drew K)

The Titans offense toward the end of the season seemed to be on the right track. They should be focusing on building that defense if they want to get back in to contention. Morgan will provide an immediate pass rush for the Titans on defense.

 

17. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

San Francisco - from Carolina^ (8-8) - CJ Spiller RB Clemson - Ah Ah Ah, not yet Mike, no OL with this pick either, with our KR/PR so atrocious, Scot Mc will accept Sing having the next two picks for the OL. Staley is our LT and we need a RT and we can find a starter in round 2 with help from our OL coaching additions. Clemson will take care of the KR/PR and will also be our NEW 3rd down back in passing situations. (rlott#42)


17. San Francisco (From Carolina)* Bruce Campbell (smileyman)
Bruce Campbell's history of nagging injuries drops him a little in the rankings, but not too much. This is an instant upgrade for the Niners and he'll start at RT, replacing Adam Snyder.

17. San Francisco - from Carolina (8-8) Joe Haden, CB-Florida (chikmagnet_565)

This was tough for me as a fan. I want Earl Thomas but the 49ers front office may like Joe Haden more because he plays a more important position and because he is "F"isical. I'm still clinging to a slight hope that McCloughan realizes Haden will be nothing more than an average NFL CB. But until then, it has to be Haden here.

17. 49ers -- Bryan Bulaga OL (Drew K)

With Bulaga still on the board here it would be very unwise to not draft him here. The Niners had major problems on that right side and Bulaga is just the mauling type of Tackle that we need on the right side. Snyder should be out and Bulaga in.

 

18. PITTSBURGH STEELERS

Pittsburgh (9-7) Terrance Cody NT Alabama - TOmlin has been the type of coach that doesn't like his players too heavy. But if you can carry the weight like Cody can, you have to take a player that will demand a double team in the run or pass. The Coach in Alabama subs him out as he sees fit, and so will the Steelers. They will stay atop the league in run D, despite losing their defensive anchor. (rlott#42)


18. Pittsburgh Dan Williams, DT (smileyman)
Polamalu should be back next year, so a replacement for him isn't an immediate concern (although they will n eed to address that soon). However they're running very thin at NT. Casey Hampton has been playing for 9 years. His contract is up this year and he's a Free Agent. He may or may not be resigned, depending on what he wants. The backup Chris Hoke has also been in the league for 9 years (and is really only good enough to be a solid backup). Williams will provide great depth for the Steelers and if Hampton isn't resigned they can move him in right away.

18. Pittsburgh (9-7) Earl Thomas,S-Texas (chikmagnet_565)

This was a weird pick for me. I wanted to give the 49ers Thomas and drop Haden to the Steelers, but I just don't see that happening. I've had Cody here for a while but I'm considering moving him ever since he weighed in at a massive 370 pounds at the Senior Bowl. I chose to give them Earl Thomas since two of their S are UFAs? Townsend (CB) is also a UFA and Gay (CB) will be a RFA

18. Steelers -- Mike Iupati OL (Drew K)

Iupati will compete to upgrade the interior Oline for the Steelers. He struggled a bit in the Senior Bowl but he is just the type of warrior that the Steelers will love.

 

19. ATLANTA FALCONS

Atlanta^ (9-7) - Joe Haden CB Florida - Haden will be the first CB taken off of the board, and is a need in Atlanta for the passing defense. (rlott#42)


19. Atlanta (9-7)* Patrick Robinson, CB (smileyman)
The Falcons have a wide open offense and are set at QB with Matt Ryan. They have an elite TE and Roddy White had almost 1200 yards receiving on the year. Their pass defense is one of the worst in the league and they have no depth at all at CB. Robinson will help out with that depth and should be a big upgrade for them.

19. Atlanta (9-7) Donovan Warren, CB-Michigan (chikmagnet_565)

This pick almost has to be a CB. But who? I don't like Donovan Warren, Kyle Wilson hasn't done enough to prove he's a 1st rounder and neither has Brandon Ghee. Perhaps a DE could be considered here? Everson Griffen isn't that good. Ultimately I went with Donovan Warren because I realized that it doesn't matter what I think of him. The falcons may consider him a 1st round pick and select him right here. I considered Spiller here because Turner was injured for a large part of the season and Jerious Norwood will be a RFA in 2010 (right?). I'll probably change this pick to Spiller once Donovan Warren's stock starts falling.

19. Falcons -- Sean Weatherspoon LB (Drew K)

The Falcons will benefite extremely from this pick here. The Strong Side Linebacker for the Falcons could use an upgrade. Stephen Nicholas may not be the long-term answer for the Falcons at that position.

 

20. HOUSTON TEXANS

Houston^ (9-7) Patrick Robinson CB Florida St.- Robinson could easily be the first CB takn off of the board after his senior bowl performance and practices. Houston will let go of Dunta Robinson, with or without a new CBA. (rlott#42)


20. Houston (9-7)* Jonathon Dwyer, RB (smileyman)
Surprisingly Houston passed for more yards this year than any other team (including Indy). Their rushing offense is not good. Their defense is solidly in the middle of the pack and they have no glaring holes in either run defense or pass defense. I think they look to upgrade their offense to become more two-dimensional. Jahvid Best's concussion history worries Houston so they reach past him to grab Dwyer.

20. Houston (9-7) Taylor Mays, S-USC (chikmagnet_565)

I'm guessing that Houston fans will not like this selection. But Houston fans aren't the ones calling the shots here. I gave them Taylor Mays because I really couldn't go anywhere else with this selection. There is no good DT available here and I honestly don't know squat about the Texans OL. Does Houston need some OL help?

20. Texans -- Taylor Mays S (Drew K)

The Texans may be looking to upgrade their secondary with drafting a safety. Mays is the best fit to fill a need that the Houston defense could use. They will wait and hope to land Jahvid Best or Ryan Matthews in the 2nd.

 

21. CINCINNATI BENGALS

Cincinnati* (10-6) Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma - The Bengals will add a lot to the passing game starting with the best TE in the draft. Say hi to production in the passing game. (rlott#42)


21. Bengals Golden Tate (WR) (smileyman)
The Bengals have a pretty good team. What they don't have is a passing threat opposite of Chad Ochocinco, nor do they have a threat at TE. The Bengals upgrade their offense by selection Golden Tate.

21. Cincinnati (10-6) Damian Williams, WR-USC (chikmagnet_565)

It came down to Jermaine Gresham and Damian Williams here. Gresham is without a doubt the best TE in the draft and Damian Williams is a tremendous talent. I went with Damian Williams because he doesn't have any injury concerns. Gresham, on the other hand, suffered a nasty injury that ended his 2009 season.

21. Bengals -- Brandon Graham DE/LB (Drew K)

The Bengals lacked a decent pass rush last year and Graham will add fire and leadership to that defense. They may aim to get a safety in the 2nd and with rumors flying around that T.O. wants to go play for the Bengals, this may be the wisest pick for them at 21.

 

22. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

New England* (10-6) Brian Price DT UCLA - The Pats need to fill the void that Seymour left, although I think he will return to the Pats. ( and I will LOL) I made the selection of Sergio Kindle in the community mock, but only because Price was off of the board. (rlott#42)


22 Patriots Jason Pierre-Paul (DE) (smileyman)
The Patriots need to upgrade their defense. Their offense is still potent but their defense struggled at times. They need upgrades at their LB spots as well as their defensive line. They grab Pierre-Paul here to help out with their run defense and pass rush.

22. New England (10-6) C.J. Spiller, RB-Clemson (chikmagnet_565)

Some (all) of you may say that there is no way Spiller falls this far. Well, I don't care what you think :P. I originally wanted to give New England Jerry Hughes, but you can't pass on a talent like Spiller with the 22nd pick. Hopefully they keep Spiller as far away from Laurence Maroney as possible so he doesn't pick up any bad running techniques

22. Patriots -- Patrick Robinson CB (Drew K)

With Shawn Springs missing time this year, injury prone, and 34 years old, the Patriots would be hard pressed NOT to pick Robinson with this pick. Belichick is the type of coach that makes potentially great players great. Robinson would be a good fit.

 

23. GREEN BAY PACKERS

Green Bay* (11-5) - Bryan Bulaga LT Iowa - The Packers have a diamond fall into their laps at the 23rd pick. A lot like the Ravens of last season. This pick is going to come at a price, as their need for an OLB is apparent. (rlott#42)


23 Packers Anthony Davis (OT) (smileyman)
Both of the Packers tackles are on the downhill side of their careers. Davis will be able to step in at either RT or LT and is a great value at this spot.

23. Green Bay (11-5) Trent Williams, OT-Oklahoma (chikmagnet_565)

Tough choice here. I could go a number of ways with this selection. Trent Williams is still on the board, Jerry Hughes makes sense since Kapman is unlikely to come back, some CB depth would be useful here also. I went with Williams over the above options because I know the Packers always draft BPA and I guess that right here Trent Williams is the BPA.

23. Packers -- Charles Brown OL (Drew K)

Aaron Rodgers got sacked A LOT last year. Part of it was his fault for hanging on to the ball too long, and the other half was on the Oline. With a bunch of Tackles already off the board, Brown will have gotten lucky to be moved up to this slot from an early 2nd round prediction.

 

24. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Philadelphia* (11-5) - Brandon Spikes MLB Florida - The Eagles will need to add another heat seeking LB in Spikes, and he will fit well in the blitzildelphia scheme. (rlott#42)


24 Eagles Ricky Sapp (DE) (smileyman)
The Eagles are set at offense with explosive WRs, good QBs, and a very good offensive line. They have major needs on their defensive front 7. They pick Ricky Sapp to help out on the defensive line.

24. Philadelphia (11-5) Everson Griffen, DE-USC (chikmagnet_565)

I had three options here: Everson Griffen, Navarro Bowman, and Sean Weatherspoon. I'm going with Griffen because Andy Reid loves stockpiling DEs and I think he'll fall in love with Griffen's upside. I think Bowman should be the pick here, but for now I'll leave Griffen because of what I said above.

24. Eagles -- Brian Price DT (Drew K)

The Eagles number one priority will be to upgrade their defensive line. We saw in the playoffs that the pressure just wasn't where it needed to be. Price will be a great fit in what the Eagles like to do.

 

25. BALTIMORE RAVENS

Baltimore* (9-7) Damian Williams WR USC - Ravens definitely need to aide the offense, as the defense continues to be the bright spot for the team. Ray Lewis n company wil now need more points to aide in their efforts to be a dominant team. (rlott#42)


25 Ravens Jared Odrick (DT) (smileyman)
The Ravens have a very good offense. They're set at offensive line, QB, TE, and RB. Their star WR is 36, and the #2 WR is decent enough, so I think they leave the offense alone in the first round. Their LT only recorded 31 tackles last year, their RT 35. Between the two of them they got 8 sacks. They need to upgrade that position and Odrick should fill a need for them.

25. Baltimore (9-7) Brandon LaFell, WR-LSU (chikmagnet_565)

I had two players in mind here: Jermaine Gresham and Brandon LaFell. I went with LaFell because Todd Heap stayed relatively healthy this season so he doesn't need to be replaced. However the Ravens are definitely hurting at the WR position, Mason threatened to retire before the 2009 season and Clayton is a horrible No.2. I'll change this pick if the Ravens acquire a WR through a trade.

25. Ravens -- Damian Williams WR (Drew K)

The Ravens are in dire need of some help on offense. Williams will be able to step in and give Quarterback Joe Flacco an opportunity to excel in to that elite class.

 

26. ARIZONA CARDINALS

Arizona Cardinals* (11-5) - Sergio Kindle OLB Texas - Although the offensive line needs to be addressed OLb is a definite need as their pass rush is worse than the Niners. They could possibly take an OT at this pick as they can't protect the QB or get to one. (rlott#42)


26 Cardinals Mike Iupati (OG) (smileyman)
The Cardinals are thrilled that Iupati has slipped this far. They can sign a young player to replace the struggline Reggie Wells at LG. Wells will be a free agent in 2011, so Iupati will be able to sit for a year if he needs to if he can't win the starting job right away.

26. Arizona (10-6) Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB-TCU (chikmagnet_565)

How lucky is Arizona? Two great players fall to them in the 1st round two years in row. Last year it was Wells, now it's Jerry Hughes. The Cardinals can get to the QB, but it's mainly because of the magnificent play of Darnell Dockett. Imagine how deadly their pass-rush would be with a guy like Hughes coming off the edge. There are rumblings that Anquan Boldin may be traded, Kurt Warner's future is still unknown, and Karlos Dansby may leave via FA. Those three situations could factor into this pick, but at this point I don't see how I could give them any player other than Hughes.

26. Cardinals -- Sam Bradford QB (Drew K)

With Warner out, Matt Leinart's abilities in question, and Bradford falling all the way to the bottom half of the first round, the Cards would be dumb to pass on the Oklahoma Quarterback here. They will need someone to step in and "lead" the Cards; something in which Warner had mastered. Bradford possesses that necessary leadership to be successful at the next level.

 

27. DALLAS COWBOYS

Dallas Cowboys - Daryl Washington ILB TCU - The Cowboys will need a replacement for Brooking and go with Washington. Why not Spikes? I think Washingotn is a better all around player and I think Phillips is good at finding LB's. (rlott#42)


27 Cowboys Carlos Dunlap (DE) (smileyman)
With both Spears and Olshansky underperforming (65 tackles and 3 sacks between the two of them), the Cowboys select Dunlap. Questions about his work ethic and desire dropped him to the bottom of the first, but the Cowboys are willing to take a chance here.

27. Dallas (11-5) Mike Iupati, G-Idaho (chikmagnet_565)

A perfect fit in Dallas. This gives the Cowboys the best interior lineman on the board that may be able to move to OT with proper coaching (although he didn't look so good at the Senior Bowl on day one). Terrence Cody was also considered here, but in light of his weight I have dropped him out of this spot. I also believe that reaching for a Safety here would not be a good move, especially not with Iupati on the board.

27. Cowboys -- Brandon Lafell WR (Drew K)

Lafell can step in and take over for Roy Williams right away. Williams did not produce and only complained the entire season. The Cowboys and Romo will need a second WR next to Miles Austin to get the Cowboys back to their dynasty years. Lafell has the potential to be the number one over Austin eventually.

 

28. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS

San Diego* (13-3) - Jonathan Dwyer RB G Tech.- The Chargers will part ways with Tomlinson this season. After posting a 3.3 ypc avg. the Chargers will move forward. (rlott#42)


28 Chargers Trent Williams (OT) (smileyman)
The Chargers have needs at RB, but they have an UDFA rookie at RT. I think they look to upgrade this position since Williams fell so far.

28. San Diego (13-3) Jonathan Dwyer, RB-Georgia Tech (chikmagnet_565)

San Diego will have a very busy off-season. If there is no salary cap Marcus McNeill will be a RFA, Shawne Merriman will be a UFA (6 NFL seasons means UFA right?) Darren Sproles will be a UFA (yes?), Vincent Jackson will be a RFA, and a few other back-up WRs will be FAs. I'm not going to try to guess who they'll retain and who they'll let go. But I do know that L.T. is set to make almost $5 Million in 2010 and that he played poorly in 2009. I think he'll be out of SD and even if Sproles is brought back, I don't think he can carry the load all by himself. I chose Dwyer for the above reasons, he may not be an explosive back, but I feel that he would be a good fit in SD. There is a 99%chancece that I'll change this selection after FA starts.

28. Chargers -- Sergio Kindle DE/OLB (Drew K)

Lights Out is more than likely on his way out. The Chargers will want to bring back the same type of energy that Merriman once brough to that defense. Kindle is a perfect fit for an upgrade there.

 

29. NEW YORK JETS

New York Jets* (9-7) -Kyle Wilson CB Boise St.- After watching their CB's get carved up by Garcon, Ryan will still be having nightmares about his horrible CB play vs the Colts. He will be arrogant and take his CB with his first draft pick. ALthough I would take a WR, LaFell looks good here. (rlott#42)


29 Jets Kyle Wilson (CB) (smileyman)
The Jets have Revis island, but not much else. Lito Sheppard is on the downhill side of his career and there isn't much depth behind those two. Wilson's performance during Senior Bowl week vaults him into the first round.

29. New York Jets (9-7) Terrance Cody, NT-Alabama (chikmagnet_565)

Poor Jets, Bill Polian gave them a free ticket to the Playoffs but crushed their super bowl hopes a few weeks later. All this did was take the Jets out of the running for a top-notch WR in the draft. Aurelious Benn and Golden Tate are the best options left at WR, but taking either of them would be a reach. That left me with Jared Odrick, Terrance Cody, and Brandon Ghee. Odrick's stock is kind ounknownwn right now, some teams may have him in the 1st round, others may have him in the 2nd...We don't know, Cody has the weight issues, and Ghee has all thphysicalal tools to be a great CB, but for some reason he hasn't produced as well as I'd like him to. I'm tentatively going to give them Cody right now because I don't know too much about the stock of the other two.

29. Jets -- Dan Williams NT (Drew K)

Williams will give the Jets the youth and energy at that spot and is just the type of tough-physical player that Rex Ryan will like to have on his team.

 

30. MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Minnesota Vikings Tim Tebow QB Florida - TIm Tebow does get drafted in round 1. I think the Vikings coach would love to have a natural leader and a QB he will NEVER have to bump heads with. He will fit in with the running game and benefit from the AP machine in the backfield. (rlott#42)


30 Vikings Brian Price (DT) (smileyman)
With Pat Williams looking to retire, the VIkings will need someone to step up and fill that gap. Brian Price could be that guy.

30. Minnesota (12-4) Jared Odrick,DT-Penn State (chikmagnet_565)

-LOL Minnesota got Farve'd again! Ah well what else did they expect?- Minnesota is full of questions right now. Is Farve coming back? Are they really interested in McNabb? Has Childress given up on Tavaris Jackson? What's going thappenen with Ray Edwards? Is Pat Williams going to retire? What happened to Cedric Griffin at the end of the season? We don't know the answers to any of these questions. I'm baffled. Do I give them a guy like Carlos Dunlap? Tony Pike? Brandon Ghee? Jared Odrick?

30. Vikings -- Ricky Sapp OLB (Drew K)

Could they Vikes get any better on their pass rush than they currently are? Yes, is the correct answer if you were guessing. Sapp will add speed and power in that pass rush and depending on which side he will line up on in the NFL, they will have an even more fierce pass rush than they currently do.

 

31. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

New Orleans* (13-3) - Jared Odrick DT Penn St. - With 4-3 DT's disappearing in the draft the Saints reah for one now, rather than not getting one that can start. They add Odrick to improve the run defense. (rlott#42)


31 Saints Jerry Hughes (OLB) (smileyman)
The Saints could use some help with their linebackers. Scott Fujita is a free agent, and may not be resigned. He missed several games this year because of a staph infection and is in his 8th season. Hughes was an integral part of the TCU team that went undefeated during the regular season thsi year (only losing to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl).

31. New Orleans (13-3) Morgan Burnett, S-Georgia Tech (chikmagnet_565)

Sharper's situation with the Saints is iffy. If the Saints win the Super Bowl, it's possible that Sharper may retire. Either way, the Saints need a Safety (they could also use a LB). I'm going with Burnett for now but the 4th best safety ranking is up for grabs. (I considered Sean Weatherspoon here too).

31. Saints -- Corey Wootton DE (Drew K)

The Saints biggest glaring need is a LDE. Wooton currently plays that position and plays it well...very well. He will add a pass rush from that side that currently isn't there. I hope the Saints are picking 32 but either way they could still end up with this pick.

 

32. INDINAPOLIS COLTS

Indianapolis* (14-2) - Mike Iupat OG Idaho- Easily the steal of the draft, only because a player like Iupati goes to Indy. Their running game and passing game wil benefit from his addition. (rlott#42)

32 Colts Everson Griffen (DE) (smileyman)
Both DE for the Colts have issues with staying healthy. Freeney has missed 17 regular season games in the last three years and may not play in the Super Bowl this year. If he does play he'll be limited as to what he can do. On the other side Robert Mathis missed 6 games this year due to a quad injury and has also dealt with shoulder injuries. Griffen is the type of player the Colts like and should provide some youth and health to the team.

 32. Indianapolis (14-2) Carlos Dunlap,DE-Florida (chikmagnet_565)

What happened to Jacob Lacey? He was toast last Sunday.
The Colts could use help at a few positions, CB probably isn't one of them though (Lacey and Powers are both rookies and I don't think they'll draft another CB). I think that the Colts ideally want an OT but I don't know if they'll reach for one here (I considered Selvish Capers). I'm giving them Carlos Dunlap because I think Mathis is a FA after next season(?) and I know the Colts would like to have a pass-rusher they can move inside.

32. Colts -- Jerry Hughes OLB (Drew K)

With Mathis and Freeney already in place for the starting positions at DE, adding a speed rushing LB to the mix could spell trouble for QB's for years to come. Hughes may not be an every down LB but given opportunities, he can be a dangerous force for the Colts.

 

Note: rlott#42's mock draft will be added later. Make sure to Rec the post to keep it up, Thanks.

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Brodieman's mock draft post

So I don’t normally do a mock draft but I’ve seen a few Mock Drafts now that make me hopeful and very many that just make me wanna pull my hair out. So I figured I’d put up my ideal draft. Before I start I would like to state that my IDEAL draft this year would involve getting Eric Berry, but I just don’t see that happening, so I’ll have to let that pipe dream die. So here we go:

1A) Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa

I know that we need to solidify our line, and we all know our biggest concern is a RT. I would want to draft him with our, 16/17 pick, but if the Seahawks don’t draft a linemen with there 6 pick I think they could steal this guy from us and he impresses me a lot with his strength and upside.

1B) Earl Thomas, S, Texas

Another strong need for us, and with us already filling a huge gap on offense, we can fill a huge gap on defense now with solidifying our secondary with a true ball hawk safety. Now I’m not saying that our secondary is completely filled, but our safety position with Dashon Goldson and Earl Thomas, seems like a very pretty idea.

2) Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida

It’s a long shot to think he might drop all the way down to us here, but let’s dream. Let’s say Takeo plays one more season and we can get him to mentor the younger Spikes to replace him. Keeping our ILB’ing corp one of the best in the whole NFL.

3) Jon Asamoah, G, Illinois

It can’t hurt to keep building our line with stronger, younger, more reliable guys. Jon Asamoah seems like an instant upgrade for our running game. But we’ll have to see how he turns out.

4) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB/KR, IUP

We need more help in the secondary, and this speedy back can also return the ball on special teams. With 5 return touchdowns last year seems like an instant special teams upgrade.

5) Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan

When Todd McShay was asked who impressed him at the senior bowl he had two names for QB. Tony Pike, who is long gone, and Dan LeFevour. It’s another reach to believe he will drop to the fifth round but if he does he seems like the BPA here.

6) LaGarette Blount, RB, Oregon

Seems like he might have an attitude problem with that punch he delivered in the Boise State game. But he’s a great running back and he’s got a huge upside, and would be a great change of pace while still being a hard hitter as well. A great future in front of him.

7) Antonio Brown, WR, Central Michigan

Why not keep a great WR/QB combo connected. They did great together in college, and hopefully they keep that connection through the NFL. Kid seems like he’s got good hands and can solidify our WR corps.

So that’s it, that’s my mock. Most of the people seem like reaches but hey, we did get Crabtree last year, right? Let me know what you think.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

I can't see Spikes falling out of the first and if he does he'll go early 2nd

Same with Asamoah. If he falls out of the 2nd he’ll be gone early 3rd.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 4, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see him falling

I can see two ILB going before him and I don’t think it is a big NEED in the first, he doesn’t meet the BPA standard in the first round.

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you see my mock above?

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

no one saw

everette brown, maualuga, and even laurinaitis falling to the second. i dont think many had brown or maualuga falling past the 15th spot

by 49er4life on Feb 5, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Mauluga fell for off the field concerns

It was discussed prior to the draft, that he could fall due to that.

by hudd07 on Feb 5, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

49erFanSince1950 Comment

An Evaluation … and some other thoughts

First, Smileyman is right … Scouts Inc hasn’t updated their rankings for nearly a month, and a lot has happened since then. Further, I am not a big fan of McShay’s or Kiper’s rankings anyway. If you look at a comparative evaluation of all the "player rankers" based upon their opinions versus what really happens at draft time, you’ll find that both of them are WAY down the list. The two "rankers" that I like best (and I look at a lot of them) are DraftTek and The Huddle Report. These two are consistently among the top five or six in a group of maybe 30-40. In my comments below I will include two numbers after each players name — the first is where DraftTek ranks the players among all eligible draftees, and the second is The Huddle Report’s ranking. Interestingly, you will see that they are very close to each other on some players but divergent on others. Since both services claim to gather opinions from NFL scouts, coaches, GMs, and other front office people, I presume that the differences arise from having talked with different sources.

Now, my comments on your mock draft:

Picking Bulaga (17/20) at pick #13 is fine since you’re not also trying to pick another higher-ranked player in the first round (e.g., Dez Bryant 11/8).

Pickiing Earl Thomas (18/16) at pick #16/17 is also OK, he would probably be available. However, I would point out one thing — most of the ranking services that I look at have him evaluated as a CB (because of his speed and cover skills) rather than as a S. If you really want a S at #16/17 you MIGHT want to consider someone else.

Picking Spikes (34/31) at pick #49 in the second round probably isn’t realistic — he will proabably already be gone. Possible SS/ILB alternatives at this pick could include Chad Jones (49/41), the LSU safety or Daryl Washington (86/90), the TCU ILB.

Jon Asamoah (56/83) at pick # 79 would hopefully be OK, but he might be gone.

Awusu-Ansah (105/100) would hopefully be available at pick #110. You might want to reconsider picking a CB if you pick Thomas at #16/17 as a CB.

I like LaFevour (129/137) as a "development pick" (although you would have to make a decision between he and Nate Davis at the end of training camp); however, he probably won’t be available at pick #141, particularly with some on the minor hype from the Senior Bowl. The real question is who will be willing to select and develop him when all of his experience is in the spread offense (i.e., the Tebow issue).

To be honest, I don’t understand Blount ( 250/unranked) at pick #172. I don’t see him as a change-of-pace RB as compared to anybody except maybe Chris Johnson! That’s a joke! He is simply a banger — has neither speed or agility. He’s kind of a poor man’s LenDale White. Plus, you have to deal with the character/attitude problem. Reversing your 6th and 7th round picks, I would rather have Freddie Barnes (164/170), the WR from Bowling Green, at pick #172.

If you still want a lower-round RB who could be a REAL change-of-pace RB at pick #208, I would take somebody like LaMarcus Coker (369/unranked) from Hampton.

I really appreciate your research and effort. Good job! I think that we will both be looking forward to Drew K’s next community mock draft, coming soon. Also, since some among our Niner Nation don’t like the idea of using a first-round pick on a RT, I plan to put out my own alternative mock soon, predicated on the idea of solving the RT problem without spending a first-round pick.

by David Fucillo on Feb 4, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess my comment wasn’t good enough for re-posting!

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Regardless your mock is classic!

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Which one?

Repost it

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Which one? Is the appropriate response.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You said “comment” …singular, so I assumed you meant one in specific.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

My comment (or comments, cannot remember) was no where near as good as 49erFanSince1950.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the Giants make sure Earl Thomas doesn't reach our pick, and I also think that if we take Thomas before Spiller the Giants would take Spiller.

Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE

Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 10, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Whay would they take Spiller when they have Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw already? Their Defense was pretty bad I can’t see them making an offensive selection in the 1st. Since Eli is there and all those young receivers in their 2nd and 3rd years, they are probably going to be a pass heavy team again anyway.

The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.

by Drew Kerr on Feb 10, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller would be helpful in a pass heavy team, especially if he is the dump off man.

B Jacobs turned in what appeared to be a washed up season. Gamebreakers like Spiller, do not come around often. If they can’t get the player they want why reach for what is not there. I could see Weatherspoon going to them, but I said Spiller if Thomas is gone. I think they want a safety and I don’t think Mays fits what they would want and with Thomas and Berry off the board, they may not reach to pick a safety there. BPA pick.

Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE

Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 10, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

They also need DT help

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

nocal81's post

Okay so i am not sure if i am doing this right, i don’t know if i am supposed to post this mock on another thread. On a side note you can all expect me to be more active of Niners Nation now that i have got the hang of the whole post grad thing. I am specifically looking for opinions from my NN regulars drew, lott, dew, fooch and many others whom i haven’t named. So onto the 2nd version of my mock. FYI no Tim Tebow on this mock as i thought more and more about the variables and came to the conclusion that the 49ers don’t need him and probably won’t be able to get him in the middle rounds either.

49ers trade 16th pick to the Chargers for the 28th pick and 2nd round picks. (This gives San Diego the opportunity to draft one of the top DT’s in the 1st round, bypassing New England) Also for the purposes of this mock i will not assume that the 49ers will pick up any compensatory picks, though i still believe that to be the case. Later mocks will include compensation picks as they are doled out by the league. Also i will not take into account possible free agent acquisition, this mock will assume that the 49ers are going to go into the 2010 season with just these drafted picks added to the roster. Although we all know this won’t be the case.

 

1. RB- CJ Spiller Clemson

I understand that Spiller has been somewhat of a controversy on NN recently, but i believe that by drafting him the 49ers will open up so many options in the offense and return game. He is exactly the multi dimensional threat the 49ers need.

1. OT- Charles Brown USC

I think that Brown has the largest ceiling of all the tackles in the league, but he isn’t as sure a bet as Bulaga. I decided to take quantity while adding another lineman with the trade with San Diego.

2. S- Nate Allen South Florida

I believe Allen is going to be a stud in the NFL. At 6ft 2, 205LB’s he has the size to make a good safety in the league. If he were playing on a top 10 team Allen would be a 1st round pick, and maybe even higher than Mays.

2. G- Vladimir Ducasse UMASS

330 LB mauler, Ducasse can step right in and start if need be. I love this pick in the 2nd round. FYI Hatian born so besides the football aspect he is a great story

3. CB- Syd’Quan Thompson California

Despite being under 6 feet, Thompson is a ball hawking corner with excellent coverage skills, i see him being added to an already good CB corp for the 49ers. With Clements, Spencer and Brown ahead of him, he may not see a lot of action in 2010, but could double as a return man when Spiller isn’t in. Besides that Thompson is projected as a starting corner in the league, so it’s a nice investment.

4. WR- Damaryious Thomas Georgia Tech

6ft 3, 229 LB’s, he was a play maker at Tech, if Thomas had decided to return for his senior season he probably would have been a top 10 pick, his loss is our gain. A great pick with tremendous upside. I don’t see anything that could go wrong with this pick. Besides, Thomas could contribute immediately in the spread offense.

5. DE- Jermaine Cunningham Florida

Would have been a late 1st round pick if he had gone back for his senior season, but injuries and off the field matters have dropped his stock a lot. He may not be the prototypical 3-4 end, but in the 5th round you go after a player with his talent level and ability to get to the QB, could play OLB on pass situations as well

6. LB- Cameron Sheffield Troy

Maybe we hit lightning in the bottle with another Troy OLB (See Ware), but that isn’t the main reason for me picking him here. He is the perfect pass rushing specialist in the 3-4 and with Lawson, Haralson and Brooks ahead of him, Sheffield could sit back a year and just play special teams while learning the NFL.

7. DT- Cam Thomas North Carolina

He is a 330LB clog in the middle, but has tremendously underachieved in college. It’s really a crap shoot in the 7th round i believe in going after a player that has some upside.

 
In my opinion this draft gives the 49ers 6 probable starters in Spiller, Brown, Allen, Ducasse, Thompson and Thomas. All these players were projected to be available when the 49ers pick in each round according to the source i used, which updates their mock draft every week.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

Thomas could contribute immediately in the spread offense.

I dont think the niners will be in the spread so much this coming season. Especially if the line gets a decent upgrade.

by sundaysfinest on Feb 4, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think it will utillized just as much… it worked for the most part.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Email is in

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, thanks. I’ll put it in.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I Agree With Drew

I think it would be pretty dumb to stray away from the spread. Remember it was the first time Gore has ever run out of it and he did pretty good. It’s an entire new facet for a RB to run out of it then the regular offense. With Davis, Crabs, Morgan and possibly Spiller and Thomas the 49ers must utilize the spread to fit the talent level, not to mention the fact that Smith looks so much more comfortable out of it.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 4, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

But Martz is in Chicago . . .

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Martz Wasn't

the O-coordinator for the 2nd half of the season was he? Or were you being a sarcastic?

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 4, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m saying if the team wanted to run a pass happy, spread the field offense than Martz shouldn’t have been fired.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Except that Sing and Martz

couldn’t stand each other and that is a pretty important element to have. Martz’s departure was more due to that fact I believe.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Who would Sing bring in to chuck the ball around the yard.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

What do you mean?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I Think

he is talking about a QB, completely forgetting that Alex Smith is going to be our starter next season, as he should be after his good performance in 2009

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 5, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I am saying the odds of the wide open offensive attack is still slim with Singletary as head coach. The 49ers barely have 2nd WR let alone 3rd. Their personnel dictates that need to run a more conventional Pro offense, forget the Spread.

by bignerd on Feb 5, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't

It will not happen as much this season, if the OL is added.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s probably going to be balanced. Which is more what was going on toward the end of the year.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

With It Being Balanced

We still ran the spread 40-50 percent of the time. You can still have a balanced offense and run the spread offense. We just need to find a working mix of the two. Plus Gore will have more experience running out of the spread so that will keep the defense on it’s toes

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 5, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

There is no working mix with the spread.

Two minute offense, okay. But out of the normal formations we need to be able to look as if we are running and or passing out of formations under center. Our QB is not accurate enough to run the spread. Our 3rd down coersions were still at the league bottom.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Our QB is not accurate enough to run the spread.

Uhhh…hello… that’s what he ran in college and he is ALOT more accurate out of those formations. It’s pretty much the reason he had so much success.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

There there my friend. A QB's accuracy is not measured by the number of completions vs attempts.

It is very misleading. you count the misfires for first down throws and how many times he never fits passes in tight windows. When your 3rd down completion rate is high and your third down conversion is low, you are not accurate. You are simply taking what the D is giving you, which is ineffective. If he can’t play under center, why are we wasting our time giving him another season.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

This is as about as ridiculous as it gets lott. Who else is going to play in there? He proved he was finally getting the hang of it last year. He showed prgress. He is only 25. Etc, etc, etc… I am glad that they aren’t giving up on him. I was probably the biggest critic of Smith last year but after what he “proved” last year, I finally feel confident that he will be leading this team next season.

The End.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want them to give up on him. But let's not be stupid and think he can carry the offense on his arm

That is exaclty what you are doing passing the ball out of the shotgun as much as we did. It didn’t work, forget it. Our most successful formation was not the shotgun.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

He made some awesome plays lott…. He made them happen by getting out of the pocket… etc. There were some flashes of brilliance at times. I wish I could figure out how to put together a highlight reel of what he did toward the end. Some of those back of the endzone passes were awesome and it gave me hope. Just go back in time to those specific plays, try to re-run them in your head, try to replay the feeling of excitement when they happened, and then tell me that you don’t think there is potential. I think he can do great next season. He is so young and if he pulls everything together, we are going to have an awesome QB for at least a decade. Next year is his make or break season though since his contract will be up but I sure am pulling for him considering all the adversity he has had to overcome.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

He did show flashes, it was thebest QB play since lot

I think that limiting his attempts, is a better approach. I don’t think he can handle the pressure of that. We are talking spread offense not Smith’s overall play. I think we need to pass less and scrap the spread, out of the gun offense so we aren’t so 1 dimensional. We had success the most out of a formation that had him under center, remember?

Even remembering thos plays, why can’t he make those passes from under center? It doesn’t make sense to think he can’t and continue with him going into the future.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

You can still run spread

under center if you have a good Oline. I hope, and pray that we model our offense after The Colts and Saints. And I do think that Smith can make it there. I think he has talent. I think it took longer than it should of but it seems like the game is slowing down for him.

With all the weapons, then why would you not want to use them? Our TE broke a record this year. Crabtree may have been rookie of the year if he had a full season. If we add a couple peices to the Oline and possibly get Spiller, we will have the chance to be a dynamic offense…. not this power run nonsense, (3 yards and a cloud of dust) that sputtered for us and anyone else who tried to do it. I dont want to have to rely on the defense to bail us out every single game. It would be nice to know that our offense could pull off a 34-20 victory for us once in a while.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yee misguided soul

Our offense is not a set in stone as 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Do you not listen to Singletary at all? Here are our best RB’s- Gore
WR’s – Davis, Crabtree, then Walker.
2 te’s and a WR and a RB. You should have a strong running formation, and if you can’t run out of the formationyou can’t use your best weapons. Spreading the offense to 4 wide is not the ticket. why use 3 wide when your 2nd TE is a better WR than your second WR? I think that even if we add two WR’s we still have to have them get ready for the NFL. If we are successful in the run, it will make it easy on the whole offense. There is only one Manning, and that’s why Eli is not as good as Peyton.

With Spiller and even stephen williams and ford, I would still like to see running formations and not the shotgun. We are talking shotgun, Alex has a problem playing from under center.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Spreading the offense to 4 wide is not the ticket. why use 3 wide when your 2nd TE is a better WR than your second WR?

Because if you use Davis on the outside, it creates major mismatches. You add Crabtree, Gore, and a guy like Spiller to that formation and you are set up to be unstoppable.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

So Spiller all of a sudden is an excellent route runner.

You’re not being realistic here, IMO. Using Davis on the outside, well I would think you aren’t running. Even with new “ROOKIE” OL you can’t handle the blitz. Especially with a rookie RB as well running routes. Not even feasable, this isn’t Madden Drew, and this is exactly what this sounds like.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Madden? Really? You’re really going to stoop to that argument?

If you are going to use that as an argument then there isn’t any reason to keep this going.

When did I say Spiller runs routes like Jerry Rice? I said, to make it crystal clear for you, that he is another weapon on offense… Man, you have managed to chop up my words better than a Benihana Chef.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex has a problem playing from under center.

I dont get why everyone says this, he looks fine to me when he has time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ae1r1NsjMI

Anyway… He does okay. He has room to improve but it’s not like he’s completely incompitent like some people like to imagine.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is a better one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7hFvHIGok

I think you are off your rocker if you think he is scared to take a hit. He laid a LB out against the Raiders on a reverse.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith

out of every QB in the league, Smith is the most conditioned to taking sacks and hits over the last 4-5 years because of such a God awful line. I am pretty sure he is used to it by now

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Most conditioned to taking sacks

LOL. That just makes me LOL. He didn’t even play every year, he did miss two. He wasn’t sacked that often last year either.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

He wasn’t sacked that often because he was in shotgun ;) LOL

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

No kiddin'

"Because if you use Davis on the outside, it creates major mismatches. You add Crabtree, Gore, and a guy like Spiller to that formation and you are set up to be unstoppable."
- The Great philosopher

Niners can be unstoppable, and no this isn't a Madden formation, this is the NFL, ROTFL!

by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaches and commentators?

Don’t know why they say it either. The proof is in the pudding, not the kool-aid.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

eh

Just plain pudding? Or Bill Cosby
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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Doooh

Bill Cosby of course

"Because if you use Davis on the outside, it creates major mismatches. You add Crabtree, Gore, and a guy like Spiller to that formation and you are set up to be unstoppable."
- The Great philosopher

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

We did get that win total as a team.

Who cares where the points come from. More passes in our blowouts could have resulted in more turnovers.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily… that is speculation

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Speculation my ass.

All facets of the team produce wins. I can’t believe I an hearing this from the guy that argues that wins are not a QB stat. You have to have a defense do it’s part or you will go no where.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

When have I ever said that? You have me confused with someone else

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Our 3rd down coersions were still at the league bottom.

Actually they were at the bottom because of the HUGE hole we dug ourselves at the beginning of the year as far as that is concerned.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd down conversaions

are a result of poor play calling a majority of the time. If you want to blame anyone, blame Raye for calling all the run up the guts on 3rd and 7…. or draws, or screen passes.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You blame play calling, what about decision making?

We don’t see the whole field when the plays are being made. Receivers made alot of bad plays as well, it is a yuong team, but growing up in the spread will not work. Look at the veteran QB’s in the superbowl, they couldn’t do it at 25 or 26 so why expect that from Smith.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

didn’t we get less than two third down conversions against the seahawks, the fourth to last game?

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith had 300+ Yards passing. If people weren’t scoreing after the catch or during the run, that can’t be put on Smith.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, but you were saying that our 3rd down % was low because play at the beginning of the season was terrible, and in the second half of the season things got better. I was countering that our 3rd down % remained low for the entire year.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

We were all over the map the last third of the season

from a low of 0% (at Seattle) to a high of 50% (AZ on MNF).

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by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m so tired of debating this concept. It’s really not that hard to understand. Can’t run a power formation on 1st down than switch to a wide open set on 2nd & 3rd down . . . that’s running two different offenses and not sticking to the philosophy of either.

As I mentioned above the 49ers don’t have the personnel to run a spread offense. It takes a lot of great receivers on the pro level. It also doesn’t suite the strength of the offenses biggest weapon, Frank Gore. Alex isn’t anywhere near the best player on the 49ers offense so changing the role of everyone else to fit his strength is just laughable coaching. It’s the exact same plan Martz tried to pull off with JTO. Not to mention it’s not the style of the head coach. If you want a spread offense, become a Patriots fan.

by bignerd on Feb 5, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate to break it to you

but Frank is not the biggest weapon anymore… that trend is ending. He isn’t going to be there for much longer. Period.

But like you, I am sick of debating this too. No arguing on either side is going to change what they are going to do. I can gaurantee you that you will see more spred offense next season. You can complain and complian about it, but it’s not going to change a thing.

If you want a spread offense, become a Patriots fan.

So I guess it’s safe to assume that your loyalties will go elsewhere if the team runs one spread offense play next year, eh?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That is retarded. Absolutely equivalent to saying Tom Brady is getting up their in age. Maybe the Patriots ought to draft Toby Gerhart, pull everyone in and run a 3 yards and cloud of dust offense.

First it’s just speculation of player decline. Than it ignores how everyone else who plays on the offense was brought in under a different offensive philosophy.

Minus the Gore, the 49ers still have an entire offensive line built for the power run game, VD and only one viable WR. It’s three more years of building the offense switching to the spread.

by bignerd on Feb 5, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That is retarded. Absolutely equivalent to saying Tom Brady is getting up their in age.

Gore has missed 7 games in the last 5 years… and really? could you be less accurate in your argument? Comparing a QB who they made a special rule for and a Running Back that has had nagging injuries throughout the course of his career? C’mon bignerd, if youre going to argue, at least bring the good stuff.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

New offenses are installed in a season. Take the Wildcat for instance, it did not take 3 years to implement that. And the Niners already have half a season under their belt with spread formations and did fairly well with it.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew it's kind of hard to gage what you are talking about when you say spread.

My issue is with the Shotgun, not how many WR’s are on the field. Even though our 2nd TE is our 3rd best receiving option.

We don’t have the players for the spread. We need two guys that demand a double team on the ends and use crabs in one on one in the slot.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

See thats where we disagree

I think we do have the guys that can thrive in a spread. Plus it take guys out of the box so when we do run, there is more opportunities for the line to create lanes to run in. With guys like Gore and possibly Spiller, they don’t need a huge crease.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

BS Drew and I think you know it.

We don’t have Spiller, and predicitng an offense with a pick we don’t have is just like Madden. We have guys that can thrive in the spread? Who? Ok, Crabs and Davis. Then who? We still don’t know what we have in our other WR’s. We went spread and only VD and Crabs produced.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The Madden argument is usually used by someone who cannot rationally formulate a better argument. I am sorry but I, nor anyone else, can take you seriously with that as a pedestal for debate.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The Madden comment is used when people are talking like they are playing a video game and can plug in a rookie and have GREAT SUCCESS>

You add Spiller and an OL and we can be as efficient as manning and the Colts? That’s what it sounds like to me, and that is reality in the video game world, hence the madden comment.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Trying to justify it doesn’t make it any more legitimate.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

What justifies you hoping that our players can strive in the spread

Also what evidence is there that Smith can have as good of a season as the league’s top 3?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Because

He already began to in the second half of the year when we incorporated it. If you want to live in denial that it never worked then that is your own dilema.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 1:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It worked, but was it effective enough to win?

Hell no.
Especially if you look at the last game of the season. it took 3 and a half quarters to put points on the board vs the Lions, WTF. Then when we faced good teams late in the year, the O was not good, using the spread. I am saying there is not enough success there to say that this is the approach we should take next season, and it has a lot to do with Alex Smith.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 2:02 AM PST up reply actions  

So yeah

let’s just run 1st down for a yard, 2nd down for half a yard, and 3rd down lets try a draw for minus 3 and then punt like we were before we started running the spread because thats a way better philosophy.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Who is saying that.

Don’t put words in my mouth. I am not saying run every damn down, quit with that childish crap. I am saying mix in more run and pass out of the same formations, it’s less predictable. I expect a better season form Smith, but if he has to be in the GUn, it will hurt more than it will help. if he can have the same success passing from under center, I expect great things, and that is my way of looking at things. We should never have a game where a healthy Frank Gore has 9 carries total and the score was tight the entire game. That is a dumb philosophy.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 2:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I can see you are just going to rant now…. so it’s best you just quit. I am not going to conceded anything and I think it is completely stupid to go back to doing something that didn’t work one bit!!! There was a reason we were down 21-0 against Houston.. it was because of that lame game planning we were running before.

If it works for other teams (the shotgun that is) and not just the Colts and Saints, then it can for us too… I really dont care what you think about it. And it doesn’t really matter because the Niners are going to do what they feel gives them the best chance to win. I highly doubt that they will use something that failed miserably before. Pretty much all teams nowadays (the successful ones anyway) run some form of Shotgun from time to time. Some do it more than others for reasons obvious…such as poor offensive lines. Take a look at how much the Lions did it once they drafted Stafford for example.

Smith will get snaps under center and he will get snaps out of shotgun. They arent going to keep switching it up on him. They’re going to give him what works best for him. Why else would they be asking for his input? If it happens to be shotgun then it will be, and there is nothing you can say on this blog that would change it.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:20 AM PST up reply actions  

As usual when someone disagrees with Drew K he goes away from the argument and rants like a child.

It was not the style of offense that had us down 21-0 in Houston, it was the QB with no threat to go downfield. if the Niners decide to use as much Shotgun as they did last year, say hello to another offseason of hope. That is my opinion, and for some reason when anyone goes back and forth with you, you get ignorant and post shit like you just did. I could care less what you think, I do like to hear your opinion and if I don’t agree I will say something. it doesn’t matter what any of us think on any subject, the Niners will go in whatever direction they feel is best going forward. based off of this BS you just wrote we should all not blog our opinions, but hey, it’s a damn blog. Most teams use the Shotgun to cause mismatches, we use it bcause our Qb is not very good from undeer center. that is due to the OL and also to him being 2 seasons removed form the game. i still would rather see the team use the Shotgun less. It doesn’t mean run, run, run and Singletary’s philosphy is not 3 yards and a cloud of dust, ad I kow you have heard him say it. And what i did above is ot a rant, it’s a explanation.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:02 AM PST up reply actions  

[site decorum]… you know better lott

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:40 AM PST up reply actions  

based off of this BS you just wrote we should all not blog our opinions, but hey, it’s a damn blog.

I am not sure where you got that from in what I said. I guess maybe this is where you could have taken it the way you did?

I really dont care what you think about it. And it doesn’t really matter because the Niners are going to do what they feel gives them the best chance to win

None the less, it wasn’t intended as a personal shot toward you. Just a shot in general as in to say, the Niners are going to do what they’re going to do regardless of what you or I think. If you took it as don’t post your opinion here then you got it completely mixed up. I posted this thread, why on God’s Green Earth would I NOT want people to post here?

Could just possibly be you taking something out of context. And I certainly was on the topic of what we were discussing.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:50 AM PST up reply actions  

lets do some math. in describing an argument, legitimate and justified both mean the same thing. with substitution

“Trying to justify it doesn’t make it any more justified.”

and thats how you lost this argument. and I agree with you on the argument itself. but that comment really just showcased your stubbornness. In order to have a productive internet discussion, both sides have to be ready to have their minds changed, otherwise its just a shouting match, and we’re as bad as ESPN.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

So you are saying that saying “it sounds like Madden” is a valid argument. I hope not for your sake because that makes you sound just as bad.

Do you understand how using that as a pedastal for an argument makes you sound like you dont have any ammunition? Or are you that naive to think it holds up?

In that argument, I didn’t say get a rookie adjust his stats to 99 and let him fly. That is just ridiculous. I dont even play Madden and havent since I was in college, so excuse me if I find that “argument” a bit juvenille.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not saying its a valid argument. I could give two [site decorum] about your spat. I just thought what you said was hilariously stubborn. if you had called him out on his straw man argument, then I would be with you.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Straw man mangement?

Please explain?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Davis split wide with Gore and SPiller in the game with Crabtree, has a Madden-esque type of feel. It isn’t logical to use them all on the field together as if it’s our offensive set. More like Madden than real football, and that’s why I said it.

Spiller at WR or is this a two back set. Either way, Davis is not good at route running, so why split him outside. On top of that his hands are suspect. Spiller, Gore, Davis split wide, and Crabtree sounds like a video game not reality.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

FYI

Davis has been split out wide… so has Gore

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I know that, but how often in a game?

It isn’t a go to formation to have him split out wide, and it would be dumb to try to have that as a contant activity.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Who said anything about constant activity. All I am doing is pointing out that it’s not far-fetched for us to do that from time to time. Hopefully we can add a solid number 2 who has number 1 capabilities at WR. The rotate Morgan, Hill, and Jones.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounded constant
Because if you use Davis on the outside, it creates major mismatches. You add Crabtree, Gore, and a guy like Spiller to that formation and you are set up to be unstoppable.

"Because if you use Davis on the outside, it creates major mismatches. You add Crabtree, Gore, and a guy like Spiller to that formation and you are set up to be unstoppable."
- The Great philosopher

Niners can be unstoppable, and no this isn't a Madden formation, this is the NFL, ROTFL!

by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, Frank is our best weapon, the reason being is our QB is not dependable.

You seen the Eagles game and every other game in which he played a good defense. Look at our schedule (the teams on it). Best believe we need to control the clock, and it can’t happen with a spread offense. It didn’t work with the Pats and how much better is Brady than Smith?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Control the clock when you are behind?

Yeah cause that makes a ton of sense.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You need to get ahead by a large margin

before you “control the clock”… and we certainly could NOT do that with our “power run”… or should I say lack there of?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

No you don't. You keep higher scoring offenses off the field and out of sync

By controlling the ball, that is football 101.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Well maybe we should upgrade to football 102 because 101 died in the Dinosaur age….obviously. It didnt work last year and it wont moving forward. Period

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

BS

We failed to make THE BIG STOP or BIG PLAY, we lost plenty of games we had won. Most of the time it was the offense that couldn’t produce, using the damn spread.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Lies

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Truth and you know it.

We flopped on putting up points in Indy, using the SPREAD at times. We also were spread happy against one of the leagues worst passing defenses and put up nothing (Seattle). Don’t gimme that lies crap. You are lyin saying that our offense was successful using that spread. Our 2 minute offense was okay, but we never put up points with this unit.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO!!!

EVERYONE has flopped putting points up against Indy… Uhh…they’re in the Superbowl?

You are delusional lott if you think we had no success using that formation. We had no success in the beginning of the year with all that run 1st Down, run 2nd Down, run 3rd Down and punt…. and thats where you are getting your 3rd down conversion stat.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I AM

Going to have to go with Drew on this one. It is true that the niners have to run the spread when down last season. But i believe that with the talent we have on offense and Smith’s abilities out of that formation it would be foolhardy to stray away from the spread in any way. Not do we run it 60-70 percent of the time? NO. A mix would be better.

And Lott look at it like this. If Indianapolis was able to get to the Superbowl because they played “control” ball on offense then why did they pass the ball a larger proportion than any other team in the league? you can control the ball and run the spread, it’s not either or. We would have controlled the ball alot more if we had converted on 3rd down and the spread isn’t to blame for that, we weren’t converted before the Texans game either. Besides the 49ers defense is much better than the Colts defense. No one even mentioned that did they? Add a few players on D, sure up the offensive line, run the spread, control the ball and play stifling defense and were looking at 12-4

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 5, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine I will have to continue to disagree with you both then.

Sorry but, let’s not bring up the Colts whe we are discussing the 49ers. Their QB allows them to run that style of offense. Manning has been in that sytem for years and knows it in and out. So has Clark and Wayne. That goes a long way. We will have a 2nd year WR as our #1, and it will be our QB’s 2nd year in the system. I don’t put the blame on the spread for our 3rd down woes nor will I go with the easy cop out and blame Raye. What it is, is a combination of a few things, the QB, WR’s youth, and the Off Coord. inability to find a mix amongst the youth. I do believe our O can be successful, but a season like Manning’s from Smith, please get real for a second. He has been carving up defenses for years and SMith has yet to carve 1 up. We should want to limit the opposing teams chances to score by having long and clock chewing drives, that is what I mean by control the clock, it’s not hold on to the ball and not care if we score, that doesn’t make any sense to want that. And again, how did we have success if we weren’t puttin g up the points on good teams. I understand that other teams flopped vs Indy, but how many of those teams had a better shot than the Niners. And why was it we couldn’t score? It wasn’t pressure, it was a lack of execution.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 1:48 AM PST up reply actions  

It didn’t work ONE BIT what you are suggesting in the beginning of the year. Do you remember when teams were putting 10 in the box against us? And youre preaching about going back to that? Sorry but no thanks. It wasnt until we started using the spread that we actually began moving the ball both in the pass AND run.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 1:57 AM PST up reply actions  

That is where you are wrong.

Smith alone got the ten out of the box. With the emergence of Davis, we don’t have to worry about that. I think we should run more plays from under center and not out of the shotgun. This is why this argument is continuing, I have hope, but I am not gonna get d=beside myself and say that this offense is ready to be top ten in the league in offense if they pass more. That’s exactly what the spread is, passing more. Then as the season gets late and you have to run, we aren’t used to doing it, so we’ll drop games late.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 2:01 AM PST up reply actions  

That is where you are wrong lott… this is going to go in circles and round and round… you arent going to convince me because I know what I saw and you think you know what you saw… agree to disagree at this point cause its not going to go further than this

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I will have to

Maybe I pay attention to points and 3rd down conversions too much.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 2:03 AM PST up reply actions  

You know I mean from the begining, don't foolishly making assumptions

We are behind when we came out in spread because our QB, can’t put together drives being as inaccurate as he is.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't foolishly make assumptions

Controlling the clock from behind, who in the (site decorum) is that dumb?\

We fell behind in games because even with the spread our offense was anemic.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That is untrue. You dont start controlling the clock EVER. PERIOD… Controlling the clock is for the last 2 min’s a game unless you are a coward and run a cowardly offense…. like we did until we incorporated the spread.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That is fact, it is exactly what the Jets did when they won.

They ran the ball down a team’s throat and put their offenses in a 3 and out. It is a better philosophy than using a QB like Smith, like Manning, Brees, or Brady. He won’t be that good next season, and that is a fact.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a fact huh?

Did you see that in your crystal ball… or did you shake up your magical 8-ball to get that insight in to the future?

I am done debating this… you can go ahead and reply to everything I wrote so you can get the last word, cause I know you won’t stop. At this point all it is, is opinion vs. opinion. Whatever the Niners do next year is what they are going to do. And that is the bottom line.

Here ya go, ask another question:
http://www.indra.com/cgi-bin/spikes-8-ball

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Not even gonna check that link

As long as there is an argument, I will argue. I guess we all heard it hear first. Smith will not have a season like Manning, Brees, or Brady.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Both Superbowl Teams this year run some form of spread or another at times. They run the ball as well, in running formations. If we want to run, run, run, then it’s going to land us in the same spot as this year. You honestly believe that drafting one or two linemen is going to be the solution? Take the Jets for instance, how far did they get? To the Championship game. How far will they get next year? Probably not back to the Championship game. How long did it take them to build that offensive line that produced 3 Pro Bowlers? About 5 Years or so.

You need a balance and if by running spread from time to time guves you balance, then that’s what is going to be done.

Minus the Gore, the 49ers still have an entire offensive line built for the power run game, VD and only one viable WR. It’s three more years of building the offense switching to the spread.

Built for the powere run game? You cannot be serious… Did you see our “power run game” last year. It was at best laughable. How many “power run teams” have won the Super Bowl? And more importantly how many “power run teams” have won the SB without some form of a solid pass game to compliment their “power run”? Sorry but you cannot have one without the other. I think (at least I hope) Sing figured that out last year and doesnt go in to the season and bang his head against that same steel wall that him and Jimmy Raye did last year.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Both superbowl teams have Manning or Brees, who are seasoned QB's that have been in their system for years.

Let’s not even think that Smith can be as productive or dependable, he has proven that he can’t. We don’t have the WR’s and you want to talk about O line? Our WR’s need time to mature, maybe if we had manning we could get something out of nothing but that is not a comparison simply because we have Smith. We need a top 10 or 5 defense to even compete and it is because our offense is YOUNG, adding Spiller, Bryant, and another WR will not catapult us to the top of the NFC. A better defense will be better than over utilizing the spread. Unfortuantely our Qb not being good behid center will be the reason we don’t make the playoffs again. I tell you what, if we pass like we did before, we will not make the playoffs.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

he has proven that he can’t.

It’s a good thing Bill Walsh never had that “give up on a guy” attitude when we brought on Steve Young. You dont have any idea what kind of QB that Alex can be…and neither does any one else.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Walsh had a system that average players could thrive in… and it certainly wasn’t all this “power run” stuff. Walsh promoted Team Ball and that’s what made him such a great coach.

Singletary adjusted the play because the offensive line sucked and averaged about a second and a half per pass play under center. THAT IS A FACT.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s the opposite as what you say…any running has been set up by the pass. Unfortunately when you have a horrible Oline, that’s the way it works. It’s not always a bad thing if you are putting points on the board.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

We set it up with the pass? We could never pass when we needed to either.

Our best plays were play fakes. Because we started to run toward the end of the year(and the Defenses sucked). But our playaction was great for Davis and Smith. A team built off of the run will have more success with a QB like Smith.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

…There was a time when drew brees was new to his system. he had never played in that offense before. should the chargers have gone to a power run offense?

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not suggesting a power run offense

I am only saying we need our plays ran from under center and not as much in the gun. Toward the end of the year our passing to run was extremely high in favor of the pass, I am saying that is not the best approacch for next season. Smith pass 45 times and Gore run 9 in a game we were never behind mor than 7 pts.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

mensa's mock draft post

1A Joe Haden CB or Anthony Davis LT " played at left tackle"
1B Brandon Graham 3/4 OLB
2 Kyle Calloway RT
3 Dexter Mccluster WRRB or Jordan Shipley WRKR
4 Darrell Stuckey S
5 John Jerry OG
6 Legarrette Blount RB
7 Antonio Brown KR

I really want a great left tackle and if Hayden isnt there I think A Davis is our best option. In my other post Im against drafting a tackle in the high middle of the first only to put him at right tackle. But if we get Davis we take it to training camp and have him compete with Staley on a level playing field, and start The best man at LT . I think Staley needs some competition anyway. If I remember He was handed the spot without earning it ! If Staley rises to the competition thats great Davis will make a great right tackle for now till he takes the LT spot from Staley. This also gives us Calloway hopefully at RT but he can also play guard well and will compete with Raschal. To me Brandon Graham is a no brainer He`s a great OLB prospect and shows dominance in the pass rush. Just what we lack on the outside. I dont think he`s a reach here either ! Think back a few years when the patriots "reached ’ for Jerrod Mayo!! It turned into a pretty good reach, if you ask them ! We need McCluster to put some explosiveness in our offense . But Shipley isnt a bad option either. John Jerry -OL depth Legarrette Blount The thumper that singletary wants to get those tough first downs. I also wouldnt want to face him and McCluster at the same time in the fourth quarter!! Antonio Brown is an explosive kick returner..

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

Stuckey won't be there in the 4th Jerry won't be there in the 5th.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 4, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Jerry's not that smart

it could happen

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by supraman on Feb 4, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubt it

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't have to be smart

just have a decent combine and he’ll hold steady in the 3rd

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 4, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Bah was trying to be optimistic about his stock dropping

Wonderlic and weight gain
         can only hope

1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 4, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So you’re basically giving up on our 2010 Season already?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You just don’t understand how my agenda aligns with Scott McCloughan’s and Alex Smith’s Wait Til Next Year evaluation process and Jed’s desire to force the people in the Bay Area to finally provide a stadium after 20 years of demands. Hey, we got Singletary . . . he’ll motive Thomas Clayton into Walter Peyton.

By 2013 the team will have a new stadium, 16 1st round picks, Alex will be ready to QB, Scott will be ready to pick players. Meanwhile Passion of the Singletary turns watered down players into wine.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

Don’t hold back on how you really feel. Although, I think I could handle having 16 1st round picks if it meant waiting for that long. We wouldn’t have the money to sign all of them of course though.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to wonder if the league would even allow that.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 4, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

My dream is have all 32 1st round picks in a draft, but I realize that is unpractical.

In essence the plan would be to monopolize 1st round picks to a point where I have complete market control of the draft so I could pick 4 1st round picks a season than trade the other 12 picks so I’d end up with 16 1st round picks next season. Ya, teams would catch on quickly but that forces me to draft a team with all 1st round draft picks which would dominant for a next decade. Hey, the rookie wage scale solves my problem of having to pay for all those picks at some point . . . I mean I have to pay them the scale which is still owner friendly.

Just think, if the Lions had used my plan they would have sucked for only 5-8 years instead of 60 years and counting.

Sadly, I think the NFL is dumb enough to fall for my plan. Maybe the other teams would start to get queasy with 8 1st round picks but someone is always desperate enough to deal.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I laughed

Got to stockpile those picks for the right draft

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 4, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is this or next one

Any player coming out that’s worth anything, wants to come out before rookie wage scale.

by hudd07 on Feb 4, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny

Come on big nerd, how about a serious mock.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m giving up. At this point I think the 49ers are going to make a few trades because what they need doesn’t match the positions they are drafting.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

ha

except you can’t trade compensatory picks

Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.

by FearTheTree on Feb 6, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I had a nice laugh when chickmagnet said the Bucs where forced to take Berry. :)

by Hoopers Judge on Feb 4, 2010 5:11 PM PST reply actions  

I'm glad you enjoyed that.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 5, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

rlott#42

Did smileyman spike your Kool-Aid? Tebow at 30? Why?

They can get him in Round 3 or 4… they WILL NOT …lemme repeat WILL NOT be as dumb as to waste a pick on Tebow at 30. Jackson and Rosenfels will replace Favre before Tebow does.

I have to assume that you did that just to spark debate and not because you really meant it. LOL

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

Nope!

Chilly likes QB’s that have upside and potential… Jax already stated they are not going there. And in fact there was a front page article on yahoo of Tebow this morning. One of the starting lineman said this of Tebow:
[Offensive lineman Uche] Nwaneri posted on the Jaguars’ Web site that, while cashing a check, a bank teller started talking about how Tebow will save the Jaguars.

So Nwaneri posted his five points on Tebow, with capital letters:

“1. He can’t throw, PERIOD.

2. He can’t read any coverage other than probably cover 2 or man.

3. The QB Wildcat WILL NOT WORK IN THIS LEAGUE. PERIOD.

4. He doesn’t know how to take a snap from center.

5. HE CAN’T THROW, and that’s really something you either have or not."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tebow-to-Jags-talk-isn-t-sitting-well-with-at-le?urn=ncaaf,217616

Here is another link on Tebow from Sporting News about 6 hours ago:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tsn-tebowisntgettingathe&prov=tsn&type=lgns

I would have to say that anyone that picks Tebow in the first is doing it just to spark debate and will not be taken seriosuly.

Dan Williams may last that long because of other team needs, so yeah that is 100% more possible than Tebow going in the first. That’s a wild swing and a miss.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

You really think that Jax Lineman is going to block for Tebow with comments like that. It sounds like a bunch of teams will be upset if their respective teams chose Tebow in the 1st. And some just flat out dont want him at all… he is going to flop and he WONT be picked in the 1st. Mark my words. He will be VERY lucky to even get picked in the 2nd round.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow that is harsh

I still think someone will take the chance. Not to start but to be groomed.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Think about it this way, if the Vikes have Rosenfels and Jackson, and there is chance that Favre may come back, then why? There is one young QB with upside in Jackson, a servicable back up, and possibly a return of Favre who had arguably the best year of his career. The Tebow pick just makes no sense when they can go in so many other directions to get immediate on field results next year. …It’s just a waste and I dont think that Minnesota’s FO is that naive that they would disregard all of Tebows flaws for a “project” QB.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Jackson or Rosenfels leave this season.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Either way, does it warrant a 1st Rounder to be spent on a project QB?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Because Rosenfels sucks

and Jackson has yet to prove he can handle starting duties.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 4, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Untrue

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Rosenfels does suck

and jackson has yet to prove himself. If he had Favre wouldn’t be there.

Jackson showed flashes at the end of 2008, but Rosenfels did nothing.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 4, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Jackson can throw the ball. Sometimes he hits the CB, S and occasionally the LB.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Smileyman's correct

Rosenfels is good for a spot start, but the dude’s no starter.

by TexansDC on Feb 4, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Did not say he was. I said he was a servicable backup, Jackson had enough upside to be the starter, and that it’s very probable that Favre returns. BUT not one of them sucks… Rex Grosman sucks, Curtis Painter sucks…. the QB’s in Minnesota don’t SUCK as smiley suggests. I dont care what he thinks, Tebow is not going to be drafted in the 1st and more importantly those QB’s are better….WAYYYYY better than Tim “Bust-to-be” Tebow.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I think if you take it as

Rosenfels sucks as a starter. It’s more acceptable.

I pray to any and all available gods that Tebow doesn’t end up in Minnesota. Can you imagine the sports channels? Favre and Tebow? I’m making myself sick just thinking about it.

I think that Jevan Snead would be a better fit for Minnesota.

by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The point is that the word “suck” should only apply if a player does in fact suck. I think he is a solid back up, bottom line.

I think Snead is just as bad as Tebow… I would rather take McCoy over those two and I don’t like McCoy either.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I never said Snead was good, but he just seems like more of a reality than Tebow. You’re right though, Snead showed me nothing in his last season at Ole Miss.

by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Vikings staff was interviewing Pike

at the Senior Bowl. Pike seems like the kind of QB the Vikings would take.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 5, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I figured his lack of arm strength would shy away the Vikings. That’s not a bad move if they get him in the right round.

by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah you're right

I guess I would be upset if someone said Shaun Hill or Alex Smith sucked when in reality neither of them do.

Rosenfels is a decent backup and I thought Tavaris showed flashes of being able to start. i don’t think he’ll get a chance though.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 5, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you know that "Tavaris" is latin for

Man who can’t throw the football well? :-) I can just see the defense hollering to Tavaris as he walks off “Hey Tavaris, we’re wearing purple today just to let you know.”

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 5, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If you think they suck and the coaches felt the same, I’d hate to know what they think of Tebow.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

And you think Da Williams will last until the 29th pick?

Williams would be drafted by the Niners at 16/17 if he is still there, and no way the steelers don’t take him.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Williams is not THAT good man. I am not sure how much you have seen of him but he gets locked up alot with no movement

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I was hearing good things in the senior bowl

Who is better, he or mount cody?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither, hence why they will go that low in the 1st. I dont even have Cody as a 1st.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

First of all, Cody is not an upgrade over any of the guys currently starting at any of those places… Secondly, Williams is not going to be an upgrade over any of them initially either. There is also free agency to consider where guys like Wilfolk and others will be available. Hence why Williams is not going to go that high. ESPECIALLY 5th Overall…. That is a pretty big reach as well. By at least a good 10 spots or more.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

A reach for youth? I thought he did well.

It is a difficult pick, I’d bet my last dollar they trade down.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He is very good.

He commands double teams and can take up space up the middle but is still athletic enough to get off blocks and make a play on runs to the outside.
He’s not much of a pass-rusher but is a more athletic version of Aubrayo Franklin.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 5, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

still lmao

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Dez Bryant

please tell me your joking.

Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.

by FearTheTree on Feb 4, 2010 6:29 PM PST reply actions  

Scot Mc, is the king of disappointment

Hence the pick.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

49ers have a good rapport with Eugene Parker plus what you said about Scott Mc.

by bignerd on Feb 4, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Would that really be a bad first round?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont think so as long as we picked up a solid RT in the 2nd.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 4, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

EVER

Hey look, we agreed twice in one thread. Armageddon must be on it’s way.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

I’ve been having a lot of bad luck since I started agreeing with you on some stuff.
(Flat tire, hurt my foot, lost my favorite pen, and other stuff).
The natural order of things has been upset.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Well you better not let it happen anymore. LOL

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

If you folllow that with a RT, S, and OG

how could you be disappointed?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

utter reply fail

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I woudn't be dissapointed

because I too am on the 2nd round RT boat and wish we could pick up Spiller and trade our second first to 25-ish range and pick up either the FSU CB/Brandon Ghee/Kyle Wilson. I just don’t want us to tie up that much money in 1st rd WRs. I’d prefer a Stephen Williams later in the draft as a WR

Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.

by FearTheTree on Feb 4, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

touche

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by rlott#42 on Feb 4, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Wilson

I think he goes in 2nd.

by hudd07 on Feb 5, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

chikmagnet_555

I thought I’d answer your question…

The Texans OL isn’t the greatest. A lot of fans are surmising that they’re considering drafting a OL if no skill player is there. The RBs aren’t the problem when the line can’t run block.

As for the RBs that everyone seems to pencil the Texans in for: Houston is coached by Gary Kubiak who comes from the Mike Shanahan coaching tree. The belief there is that anyone can run for 1000 yards. They won’t take a RB in rounds 1 or 2. They seem to be targeting a late round back like Anthony Davis or Lonyae Miller. Those names have been mentioned a lot actually.

As for the 49ers (since I am a fan), I’m hoping for Brian Bulaga and CJ Spiller. The line needs help, and Spiller’s dynamic while able to help carry the load with Gore. While I dream of a Dez Bryant/Crabs/VD trio that would be fearsome, I don’t think Bryant falls out of the top 10. Honestly, I’d be happy with 2 linemen as well since protecting Alex would go a long way in his helping his development.

by TexansDC on Feb 4, 2010 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

I still think they need a short-yardage back.

But not with the 1st round pick.
I may put a CB or OT in there the next time I update.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 5, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd be right

but Lonyae Miller and Anthony Davis has gotten a lot of love on the official website. That combined with the Shanahan philosophy leads Texans fans to believe it’ll be a later round draft pick. (It’s this same theory that’s also fueling the Dolphins drafting a ILB…because that’s what Parcells does).

CB, OT, or DT is a good way to go.

by TexansDC on Feb 6, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll adjust my mock accordingly

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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

This is my hope...

1a. Rolanda McLain
1b. Bryan Bulaga
2. Kyle Wilson
3. Myron Rolle
4. John Jerry
5. Freddie Barnes
6. Trindon Holliday
7. Lamarcus Coker

by Diplitomus on Feb 5, 2010 7:19 AM PST reply actions  

Myron Rolle In The 3rd is a reach

I do like the idea of selecting Mcclain to play on the inside with Willis, that would be absolutely nuts. It just depends on what needs the 49ers cover in free agency. If we get a OL, S and #3 WR than you can go after a player where the need isn’t as high

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 5, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Myron Rolle

is expected to go anywhere from the end of the 2nd round to the 4th round. I don’t understand how he would be a reach in the middle of the 3rd. Thanks for the reply though.

by Diplitomus on Feb 5, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Before the Senior Bowl he was actually projected somewhere in the 5th-6th… I don’t know how much he bumped his stock considering he didn’t get a lot of playing time. I would say someone gets him in the 4th… could fall to the 5th just depends. I am sure he will participate in the combine also.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear he is pretty athletic though

With a good combine he could go in 3rd. I just think Dip is correct in saying, the 3rd isn’t a reach.

by hudd07 on Feb 5, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

He wouldn’t for team needing his specific position. I think that teams will be concerned with Rolle not for his ability but for his commitment. Who’s to say that after three years he doesn’t feel burnt out and decide to become a doctor. That is the issue with Rolle and that is why teams will hesitate on him. Sort of a lousy reason but it is the reason that he could land in the 4th-6th.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised by Myron Rolle going anywhere after round 2. Such a wild card. Plays at maybe a 2nd round level at FSU for a few years, takes a year off football to pursue another possible career and comes back looking better than he originally did in school.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

In My Opinion

it’s a reach. I understand where he is slotted to go, i just don’t see the value in drafting him there. I would mix up the 2nd and 3rd round picks a little but. Take Nate Allen in the 2nd round and then a corner in the 3rd round (Thompson or Arenas). I just see Nate Allen in the 2nd round a better value than Rolle in the 3rd round, but again that is just me.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Feb 5, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be so sick

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 5, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll post one.....

Though it may be unrealistic for some of these, I would be happy with this.

1a. CJ Spiller – RB/KR
1b. Brian Baluga – OT
2. Tony Pike – QB
3. Syd Thompson – CB
4. Myron Rolle – S
5. Best OG or OLB available
6. Best OG or OLB available (depends on pick 5)
7. Best 3-4 DE prospect

by 9thevolution on Feb 5, 2010 7:58 AM PST reply actions  

Nate Davis

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

IF tony pike can prove he’s better than Davis. When tony pike was taken out of his system Cincy continued to win. Ball State was 11-2 with nate davis. they went 2-10 this year without him.

Point here is they’re both system QBs, but Davis seemed to have more of an impact than Pike. Neither would be ready to start until 2010. Who has more upside?

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

And how many players from Ball State turned pro or graduated? A Bunch. Did they get a new Coach. Answer: Yes (Stan Parrish). There are other factors to consider when you throw out stuff like that. It wasn’t because Nate Davis left.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, that was a poorly thought out post. But, I still am not convinced anyone in this draft besides maybe Clausen is a better option than davis. Pike especially.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Pike has a lot of work to do.

I don’t like how he panics in the pocket sometimes though.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey lott

I thought you would find this entertaining:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/13-year-old-commits-to-USC-and-pancakes-for-b?urn=ncaaf,217861

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

What an idiot. I cannot see how the NCAA continues to let these coaches stay out of control.

This is exactly why I encourage any and all college football players to leave as soon as the stock is high. Forget playing four years for these schools while these jerk-offs are able to perform such stupid acts. The NCAA is one of the poorest run organizations, when it comes to integrity. It is all about money and nothing else.

PITIFUL.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you see who it was? He’s trying to make Eric Berry’s 13 year old brother sign his intent… haha.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

ok fine... mock

trade back 1b for another second

1a- CJ Spiller
1b- Taylor Mays
2a- Ciron Black
2b- Mardy Gilyard
3- Syd Thompson
4- John Jerry

by GMARCH on Feb 5, 2010 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

I'd be ok with this

I’m one of the few that likes Taylor Mays. How far back in 1st are you grabbing him though?

by hudd07 on Feb 5, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Pass rusher

Thought I’d throw this out there for those who think we need a pass rusher. Umenyiora might be on the trade block come draft day. His numbers didn’t justify his salary last year and he’d have to convert to OLB, but it’s just another name out there that might not be an afterthought.

by 9thevolution on Feb 5, 2010 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

He won't get traded.

He stated he would quit before he was benched again, I don’t think he will get benched, nor traded. Especially with a new DC in NY.

by hudd07 on Feb 5, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

CJ Spiller?

You guys WANT to have another losing season? Might as well draft a kicker with the 2nd 1st round pick since we’re so willing to throw away picks.

Return men should never be drafted higher than 4th round. Period. And the Niners don’t need a RB, they need an OL.

Oh, we’ll get a KR/PR, but it’ll likely be in FA.

by Ovalshine on Feb 5, 2010 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for your opinion

Spiller will be more than a KR though. They don’t need another RB? Really? So you’re content with Coffee when Gore misses another 3 games? Because I am not content with that. Gore is almost finished. People draft or obtain ruinning backs when they already have them… see: Marshall Faulk-Stephen Jackson, Marcus Allen-Bo Jackson, etc…. there are plenty more examples but you get the point I hope.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Running Back Tandems

are imperative to have success if you want to run the football successfully in today’s NFL. People who say we don’t need another RB are kinda missing the boat. Yes we need Oline, but that can be addressed as well. We need to beef up this offense..I cannot say it enough.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller gets compared to Chris Johnson a lot. His versatility would really help the offense. You can never have too many playmakers.

by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly… you never know who is going to be the difference maker in a game. You can’t just have a great defense and zero offense. You have to be able to score to win.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 5, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Mark Ingram 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 5, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

name 2 teams that made the playoffs this year that only have 1 good back. now name 1 team that won their first playoff game and has only 1 good back. you can’t. it cannot be done.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll take you up on that challenge

Playoff teams with only one good back
Colts
Patriots
Eagles
Chargers
Bengals
Packers
Vikings

So by my count 7 out of the 12 playoff teams only had one 1 good back.
Playoff teams that won
Colts
Vikings

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

donald brown has looked good. Chester Taylor isn’t that bad either. Eagles have weaver, westbrook and McCoy. Sproles may not be good but they franchised him. Somone emerged late in the season on the packers too, don’t remember who. patriots don’t even have 1 good running back, but maroney and faulk both get playing time. I’ll give you them. and the bengals. I’ll toss in the chargers and packers too.

the point is only 1 of those teams was counting on having success running the ball. If a successful running game is important to you, you need 2 quality runningbacks.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

You asked for playoff teams with backs that were good, not backs that "aren't that bad"

Let me go further with these teams and break it down for you so you know exactly where they stand

Colts
Donald Brown
281 yards rushing, 3.6 yards per carry. 7 carries a game

Patriots
Laurence Maroney
757 yards rushing, 3.9 yards per carry, 13 carries a game

Kevin Faulk
335 yards rushing, 5.4 yards per carry, 4 carries a game

Not exactly inspiring numbers are they?

Eagles
Westbrook has been on IR most of the season. He only played in 8 games this year.

Leonard Weaver is a FB, not a RB
323 yards, 4.6 yards per carry, 4 carries a game

LeSean McCoy was their full time back for most of the season
637 yards, 4.1 yards per carry. 9.7 carries a game

Westbrook in a full year of play would be great but this year the Eagles made it to the playoffs without a single really good back.

Chargers
LT is on the downhill side of his career. They franchised Sproles for his returning ability as much for his running.

LT
730 yards, 3.3 yards per carry, 16 carries per game

Sproles
343 yards, 3.7 yards per carry, 6 carries a game

Packers
The guy who came on strong at the end of the year is their starting RB Ryan Grant.
The backup is Brandon Jackson who gained all of 111 yards this year.

Vikings

Chester Taylor
338 yards rushing, 3.6 yards per carry. 6 carries a game

49ers
Glen Coffee, 226 yards, 2.7 yards per carry, 6 carries a game.

If you want to use that argument point to the Saints who rushed for almost 800 more yards than the Colts by spreading it around among all their backs.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 2:21 AM PST up reply actions  

LT on the downside?

I thought their run blocking was on the downside.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

The point was tandems I think. Which all playoff teams had. There wasn’t one team that just had one primary back like we do in Gore.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

The teams that won also had good OLs

There is more to winning a playoff game than just a RB “tandem”

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

uhhh…okay? I never said that wasn’t a factor. I think that is pretty obvious…one of those unspoken understood things, at least I thought so. Stay on topic.

Name a team that has done well in this decade with one primary RB. Almost evverybody has 2 solid RB’s nowadays. The need for two solid RB’s is becoming more and more of a necessity. If Gore goes down next season, we’d be finished. With the way he has been plagued with injury, it’s not a bad insurance policy to have one.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

If you have a great O-line

it really doesn’t matter who you plug in at running back as long as they understand what their job is.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it does matter. If you have a RB that is going to get caught after 5 yards vs a guy who is going to take it for a TD once he hits the second level, it makes a difference. Offensive lines won’t push the opponent back that far every play. Defenses are extremely quick these days and holes dont last that long even if you have a “great” line. So the averages for a RB with an average set of skills vs a guy who has an exceptional skill set are going to be alot different. An Oline can enhance a runners totals but you can just plug in Joe-Shmoe….a guy has to be good no matter what the position.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

but you can’t just plug in Joe-Shmoe….a guy has to be good no matter what the position

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

If you make it to an NFL team you're at least a decent player

if you have the right cast around you. Let’s look at the Denver Broncos for examples of this in their rushing records.

1999—1864 yards. Olandis Gary was the leading rusher.
2000—2311 yards, Mike Anderson was the leading rusher
2001—1877 yards. Terrell Davis was the leading rusher.
2002—2266 yards. Leading rusher was Clinton Portis
2003—2629 yards Leading rusher was Clinton Portis again
2004—2333 yards. Leading rusher was Reuben Droughns
2005—2539 yards rushing. Mike Anderson again.
2007—1957 yards rushing. Travis Henry
2008—1862 yards rushing. Michael Pittman was the leading rusher with 320 yards.
2009—1836 yards rushing. Knowshon Moreno was the leading rusher.

So in the past 10 years they’ve only had two seasons in a row with the same back as the leading rusher. They’re the perfect example of the plug ‘n’ play offense.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

How many of those guys were great? 1. Terrell Davis.

What are those yards? I know they arent season totals.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the point
How many of those guys were great? 1. Terrell Davis.

That’s the point. The Broncos successfully run every year without having a great running back. They barely have good running backs but they churn out the numbers because of their blocking scheme.

You’re saying you absolutely need a great running back, which isn’t true. If you have a great O-line you can have a mediocre or poor running back and still manage to put up great running numbers as a team.

(The numbers are the total rushing numbers for the team. )

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats not the point though

the other guys with the exception of Portis werent that good.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

And their

numbers reflected it

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

What are you even arguing?

I made the statement earlier that if you have the right pieces you don’t need to have a good player to succeed.

You disagreed.

I bring up the Broncos

Then you say none of them are good except Davis.

That’s the whole freakin’ point of those stats is to show that the Broncos managed to be in the top of the league in rushing yards consistently while having poor running backs.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 8, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

You obviously missed my point. The other 3 guys you mentioned did not have the success you are claiming. And my argument was that the Oline can enhance a players true ablities but do not make average players stars. Stars will be stars regardless.

I dont know how this conversation got so off topic anyhow. This was my original point:

Name a team that has done well in this decade with one primary RB. Almost evverybody has 2 solid RB’s nowadays. The need for two solid RB’s is becoming more and more of a necessity. If Gore goes down next season, we’d be finished. With the way he has been plagued with injury, it’s not a bad insurance policy to have one.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not claiming that they had success individually

but that the team had success. I never claimed that indviduals would have success. If you have the right running system instituted it doesn’t matter who you have for running backs, you’ll still find success.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 8, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

If you werent claiming they had success individually

then why did you list those specific individual players…that actually with exception to Davis and Portis did not have success while there? Why didn’t you just list rushing team totals? I could probably find a few teams that were close to those “team” totals that did not have great lines as well. Take Barry Sanders for instance. His line was horrible for a majority of his career. There are several different faactors to consider but believe it or not, there have been teams that had very good Olines but running the ball was not a strength. This years Colts finished dead last in rushing and they have an exceptional offensive line.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

then why did you list those specific individual players…that actually with exception to Davis and Portis did not have success while there?

To show that Denver had success running the ball no matter who was carrying for them. To show that even with scrubs they could still get 1500+ yards a season on the ground. Because if I’d listed just the team totals you would’ve said “But who did they have rushing for them those years?”

Why didn’t you just list rushing team totals?

Again, it was to illustrate the point that Denver managed to be a very successful running team with scrub running backs.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 8, 2010 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

But I could do the same thing with teams that did not have great lines but great rushers, so it cancels that point out. For instance, the 1990 Lions had a terrible offensive line but a great rusher and got 1900+ Team rushing yards. Also, some “great” lines produce low rushing totals with average backs… like this years Indy Colts. They finished 32nd in team rushing yards.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Their OL is good at pass blocking only

I seen their games and their backs hardly ever have running lanes. Besides the QB basically calls the plays.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes you could

I’m not denying that. You’re missing my point again, which was that “if you have the right pieces” The Broncos had the right pieces for the last decade. The Lions didn’t when they had Barry Sanders.

The Colts line is built to pass block to play to the strengths of their offensive unit.

There’s more than one way to do things is all I’m saying and that you don’t have to have a great running back duo if you decide to build around a great offensive line instead.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 8, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Colts didn't always have two RB's.

Just this season and they have always had at least ten win seasons. Then the Cards, who don’t have one good RB, but their passing is so potent the run is not a worry.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

They enhance the runners

they don’t make them. The runner has to have ability to be considered great… and that is the point

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The Jets do this too

Thomas Jones really isn’t a good back.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

How is he not?

He had 2, nearly 3 1000 Yards Seasons in three seasons with the Bears also. He didn’t get any playing time cause he was banged up early in his career with AZ and the 1 Season in Tampa.

I disagree. May your luck start to change.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I was saying that he's not a good back right now

He is old and that OL is sustaining his statistics.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He makes plays and did great on my fantasy team.

You have a very hard argument to make that he isn’t good.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He's on your fantasy team?

I assume you watched the week 1 game vs. Houston?
He was constantly getting pounded and couldn’t really get anything going.
(he got a lot of garbage yardage near the end of the game though).

He has really lost a step (it’s pretty obvious) and he doesn’t make the same plays he used to.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He did fine and was the number 1 rusher for most of the season.

Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

How many of those guys were pretty much tackled once they hit the second level? All but Terrell…. Maybe Portis but Portis was elite before he had injuries. He was pretty darn good when he 1st went to the Skins as well. Both Portis and Davis could score after the second level. The other guys couldn’t.

Mike Anderson was with Denver for 6 Seasons and had two 1000 yard seasons with a big gap.

Henry had a 1000 yard season with the Titans too and two more times with the Bills. He only had 600+ yards with Denver.

Pittman had 320 yards with Denver on 76 Carries…so…

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If you make it to an NFL team you’re at least a decent player

Ryan Leaf?
Kijana Carter?
Jamarcus Russell?
Lawrence Phillips?
Kwame Harris?
Cody Pickett?

shall I go on?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

They're a hell of a lot better than you or I

Maybe not good by NFL standards but still good. They all had success at the college level to some degree or other.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 8, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

We are talking Pro’s.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Mike Shanahan proved this correct.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand the reason for the assessment, when you would like to see more spread next year and under utilize him.

We definitely need another RB, and not because of Coffee lacking ability. We need a game changer and we have two first round picks. It is easier to get a game changer at RB than any other position. I am all for Spiller!!

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

When you look at those numbers they are deceiving. You have to look at the YPC to get a good idea because of the number of attempts are different than the number one guy in a prototypical tandem. Coffee’s are an entire yard less per average or more in a majority of those scenarios, which is significantly lower. So you were going for something with all these stats but ended up in the long run whiffing.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn’t actually saying anything about Coffee in comparison to them.

Just listing the stats of the second backs in those tandems and then showing Coffee’s stats. No conclusions were being drawn by me with those numbers.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 8, 2010 3:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Vikings don't have just one good back. COlts have Manning and I don't think we have to worry about that type of performance from Smith.

Patriots use more than one, but they pass pass pass and it got them nothing. Eagles, Bengals, and Packers I can agree with, but not the others.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

?

Neither the Colts, Patriots, or Chargers have ANY good RBs.

What’s the point?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

An Alternative to My First Mock -- Part I

About a week ago I offered my mock draft for all of you to critique. Most seemed to feel that it was pretty good, indicating that they would be really happy if the 49ers selected my picks in the 2010 draft. However, some of you (are you there rlott#42 ?) don’t like the idea of using a first-round-pick on an offensive RT. So, I set myself the task of developing an alternative mock draft which would satisfy the desire to get a satisfactory RT in a later round.

This is really a two step process:

1. Who is the best non-first-round OT available in this draft? How far down the board (roughly which pick and certainly which round) will he be selected? Since a starting RT is our highest priority (IMO) in this draft and since we wouldn’t draft him in round 1, we have to be SURE that we get him; thus, probably a reach pick, certainly not a value pick.

2. Once the answer to 1. is determined, we can lay out the rest of the alternative mock draft.

I will address Step 1. in this post, then do another post later with my suggested alternative mock draft. So, who is our desired RT?

I looked at the overall rankings of my two favorite “ranking services” — DraftTek and The Huddle Report. I like these two because their rankings are consistently in the top half dozen of the 30-40 “rankers,” based upon prediction versus actual draft results. Folks like Scouts Inc., McShay, and Kiper always finish well down the performance list. Mayock is better than Todd or Mel but he only ranks the very top players — no help for later rounds.

Here’s how these services evaluate (rank) this years eligible OT candidates:

                                                                             DraftTek Huddle Rept. Scouts Inc.
                                                                            
          Russell Okung – Okla. State 4 4 7
          Trent Williams – Oklahoma 14 13 14
          Anthony Davis – Rutgers 16 15 4
          Bryan Bulaga – Iowa 20 17 9
          Bruce Campbell – Maryland 32 39 20
          Charles Brown – USC 42 50 41
          Jason Fox – Miami 76 116 -
          Selvish Capers – West VA 78 62 68
          Kyle Calloway – Iowa 93 96 -

          Ciron Black – LSU 112 81 -
          Sam Young – Notre Dame 118 108 -

          Zane Beadles – Utah 130 145 —

I’ll stop there, although it goes on, and on, and on. By the way, — means that Scouts Inc. didn’t rank this player.

Supposedly these rankings are all predicated upon the discussions that each service has with NFL scouts, coaches, GMs, and other FO people. After gathering and evaluating the input from these folks the services put together and publish rankings by position, then develop and publish the overall rankings. The difference in rankings between the various services are accounted for by the fact that each talk to their own sources and everyone has their own opinion. Scouts Inc. only ranks what they consider to be the top 150 players, whereas other services go as far as to rank the top 400-500. While continuing to update these rankings as new info comes in, most services stop there.

Interestingly, The Huddle Report goes further. They call their positional rankings and their overall rankings their “Value Board” and point out that it is based upon input from NFL people, not their own opinions. They then assign positional groups to analysts who go and study film on the better players within a position group, evaluate performances and NFL opinions, and talk with college coaches about specific individual’s learning skills, character, etc. They then develop and publish what they call their “Talent Board” — which proports to translate all of this data on these selected players into “how successful the player will ULTIMATELY be in the NFL” (say 2-3 years down the road). Then they assign a “Talent Board Ranking” (TBR) to the player. This TBR is stated in terms of “what round of the draft would this player be selected in after full development)” given all else that we’ve learned and projected from our film study and evaluation work.

Things can go both ways - you can have a player that they believe will be selected in the first round but has already peaked or doesn’t project well into the NFL, or a player that still needs development (i.e., will be picked in a lower round) but projects to be dynamite in a couple of years (i.e., if drafted then would be a first or second-rounder). So, for my alternative “no OT in the first round” alternative mock draft, I’m looking for the latter kind of guy — needs development but is smart and a quick learner and is expected to be boffo within 2 years or so.

The key question is who are those guys? Glad you asked!

Here is The Huddle Reports’ opinion on this year’s OTs:

                                                                      Value Board Talent Board
                                                                         Ranking Ranking
                                                                      (Rank Now) (Rank > Development)

                                   Okung 4 Round 1
                                   Williams 13 Round 1
                                   Davis 15 Round 4
                                   Bulaga 17 Round 1
                                   Campbell 39 Round 4
                                   Brown 50 Round 2
                                   Capers 62 Round 4
                                   Black 81 Round 5
                                   Calloway 96 Round 1

Do these guys know what they’re doing? Beats the hell out of me, but, in the past, they’ve been right far more frequently than they’re wrong. So, if they are right this time, Bingo! Our guy is Kyle Calloway, RT from Iowa, in Round 3 — the 79th pick.

I’ll develop and post my alternative “no RT in the first round” mock draft over the weekend.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 5, 2010 4:07 PM PST reply actions  

Very nice well done

49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha

by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 5, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That's too bad.

Calloway really isn’t that good.

I think he’ll end up as a G at the NFL level.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 5, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Nicely done

I’d be ok with getting Calloway. Beadles is more of a guard prototype in my opinion.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 5, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Nicely done, however

You want me to listen to draft scouts…etc. etc. when they are not OL coaches, they are mouths, and that is all they are. The most succesful OL are form the first round? You only get 5 GREAT OL using free agency. Are we really feeble minded enough to believe using a 1st rounder on OL will definitely make us a winner? then you want to draft a player and pay him more than our Franchise, quote unquote left tackle?

I can’t see that, that makes sense. SO we add Ol in the first and not weapons on offense and still be in the back half offensively, and that will make us a playoff team? Not likely. @nd round picks and 1st round picks have the same learning curve.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 5, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The Above Post

Sorry about that! I see that my understanding of this software isn’’t the best. It (or I) don’t do dashes or columns well. Hopefully with a little work you can figure out what I’m trying to say.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 5, 2010 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

The probable mock

   1. St. Louis (1-15) Suh
   2. Detroit (2-14) Okung
   3. Tampa Bay (3-13) McCoy
   4. Washington (4-12) Clausen
   5. Kansas City (4-12) Bryant
   6. Seattle (5-11) Berry
   7. Cleveland (5-11) Haden
   8. Oakland (5-11) Campbell
   9. Buffalo (6-10) Bradford
  10. Jacksonville^ (7-9) Morgan
  11. Denver – from Chicago^ (7-9) McClain
  12. Miami (7-9) Odrick
  13. San Francisco (8-8) Spiller
  14. Seattle – from Denver (8-8) Anthony Davis
  15. New York Giants (8-8) Earl Thomas
  16. Tennessee^ (8-8) Weatherspoon
  17. San Francisco – from Carolina^ (8-8) Griffen
  18. Pittsburgh (9-7) Dan Williams
  19. Atlanta^ (9-7) Robinson
  20. Houston^ (9-7) Trent Williams
  21. Cincinnati* (10-6) Gresham
  22. New England* (10-6) Graham
  23. Green Bay* (11-5) Bulaga
  24. Philadelphia* (11-5) Dunlap
  25. Baltimore* (9-7) Benn
  26. Arizona* (10-6) Iupati
  27. Dallas* (11-5) Spikes
  28. San Diego* (13-3) Mathews
  29. New York Jets* (9-7) Warren
  30. Minnesota* (12-4) Taylor Mays
  31. New Orleans* (13-3) Price
  32. Indianapolis* (14-2) Ducasse

1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 6, 2010 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

Good Mock

Especially the top ten, I thought long and hard about the Redskins pick, but I think Shanahan will take LeFevour in the 3rd round (my sleeper pick) Or McCoy in the 2nd!!

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

shanahan isn’t a moron. mccoy isn’t worth anything earlier than a 4th. terrible footwork+ 1 read spread offense+weak arm.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

He is worth a 2nd

His foot work is just fine. He makes plays on his feet when need be. And is probably the most accurate passer coming out in the draft. He holds a NCAA Single Season Record for Comp % with 76.7%…. he must be doing something decent enough. I dont care about wins, td’s, etc but when you talk about completion percentage, there is something to be said for that. Does he need work? Sure he does…but who doesn’t when entering a new level of competition?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

its because he doesn’t throw if shipley isn’t open. and footwork isn’t about getting yards by running, its about extending a play to make a pass.

its the 1 read spread. he makes one elementary read. if yes he makes an easy completion. if no, he runs and gets a couple yards. the spread corrupts everything, even completion %.

side note, whenever I make that argument to a friend of mine, he starts repeating “you can’t defend a perfect pass”. It becomes a very difficult argument to win.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I dont see that one bit in McCoy

Not commonly anyway, not enough to say he is known for it. All QB’s do those things from titme to time. Spread doesn’t corrupt everything… How? If you can’t defend it, then you can’t. And McCoy does throw A LOT of perfect passes. Look at some more highlights and look closer at his mechanics. He gets rid of the ball wicked fast… and deadly accurately.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly what he's known for.

He has one or two reads (usually both short routes) if neither are open he runs for a few yards.

He’s very accurate on short/intermediate passes, I’ll give you that.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That is an inaccurate statement. He can throw the longball too. And when his receviers are getting open quickly, it’s good that he doesn’t have to go through his reads. He fires and completes. But on the other side of that, I have seen him go through multiple progressions and deliver. I can find you some highlights of it if you’d like.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't need highlights

I’ve seen too many Texas games.
I know he’s not a good QB prospect.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I know he’s not a good QB prospect.

No you don’t. That would make you psycic, and that you’re not.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

How are you so sure about all of the players you dog then?

That’s a weak argument Drew, you do that all of the time.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He didn't seem to have a problem re-wording it.

What I’ve noticed about you is that anytime someone doesn’t agree with you, you hold a personal grudge against them for the next week or longer and disagree with everything they say no matter what it is. So I will let this comment be exactly what it is, a personal attack provoked by a disagreement a few days ago.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

That's naive, considering I was in agreement with you earlier and arguing your points to someone else about spiller. I think you are the grudge guy.

If you notice from post to post I don’t disagree with everything you say. Even after disagreeing with you two days ago or any time before then. Grudges aren’t for people like me. This is blogging, it costs me nothing!!

SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s more than evident. Since I have subscribed here I have seen you do it with others too… If someone disagrees with you, you let ’em have it and are on the prowl for stuff you can disagree with even if you have agreed with whatever it was previosuly. Then you commence on to the personal attacks like you have done with me the last couple days after I called you out on the Tebow pick. There was a post of yours just a couple days ago that you got so fired up that you used profanity which is not prohibited here…and you know that is true.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe you should look over some of your own comments Drew, Stalk much?

I don’t prowl, half of the posts here I don’t even comment on. You have more of a backlash mentality and that is why your threats of responses between you and whoever typically go to the real skinny thread on the right side. You have plenty more of those than I do. you insult people and make the same comments and or assessments as they do. Then tell them they must have crystal balls, as if you are the only perosn on this site that is right. I did swear, it’s in the thread, why would I lie. I don’t hold grudges, but when I go back and forth with, let’s say you, and I hear something I feel is a contradiction, based on another comment, I will bring it back up. Rewind back to where I have simply asked you a qustion and you have flown off of the handle and insulted me or other people on here. I do not tend to insult anyone and holding a grudge is ridiculous, but wait, you are always right and that’s how you approach everything. Then you have the mock with Iupati, and how did that conversation get so out of hand. you took offense to a compliment I gave you and blew up. Don’t sit here and call the kettle black Drew and this is definitely the case.
I honestly thought that the debate about the spread was more intense than the one about Tebow, and I even posted and said I forgot about McCoy and should have had him there instead of Tebow. You think you know everything and you often take things the wrong way. If you care, backtrack, there is nothing in any of these blogs that indicate grudges, except for with FF.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

threads not threats

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I have had heated debates with peolpe, I will admit, but with the exception of drummer I haven’t gone too much in to personal attacks. That was when I was new though. smileyman and I have had several disagreements but it’s usally kept pretty on topic and civil for the most part. Why do you have such trouble with that? That was when I was new. Since Fooch has brought me on, I have scaled any of that type of stuff back. The crystal ball comment was meant to be funny, if you took that the wrong way then I can’t help that. But you sit there and call people outright idiots, swear, etc. I don’t.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You have my email address, if you have anything beyond this to say. Email it. This is not the place to do this.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if the 49ers scouts get into it like a few of us here…..

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably but it’s probably worse

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

I could never handle a job like that.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure they do

I’m sure some of them have their personal favorites. they spend a lot more time finding talent then we do, so I’m sure they feel very protective of “their” guys.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 9, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

that would be an amazing job. I’d be getting payed to do this, and we’d have access to better materials (coaches film rather than youtube highlight clips) and we’d all know eachother so we wouldn’t be dicks.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 9, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine
I don’t think know he’s not a good QB prospect

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Shanahan is a QB's coach and I am sure he is confident in his abilities, as far as working with them.

He has always taken a young QB that wasn’t worthy of a high draft pick and got his offense to work.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that at all

I think he has only spoken positive words about our front 7…INCLUDING Sopoaga

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

This is true, but don’t let Coach Sing and Scott M fool you. Rosters are always fluid, and what they say is irrelevent. If the FO stuck to what they said, they would be be asking other teams to pass them up in talent.

by MinerNiner on Feb 6, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say that there is less than a 1% chance that we select a defensive end in the 1st round.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

This

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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay. First 2 Rounds then… same percentage.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess it's your opinion.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Not until it happens and I do have faith...Optimist Prime and you should too

I wasn’t mad at the Crabtree pick. And we got Chilo in the 2nd. I was upset with the Coffee pick, but that was a need none the less. The rest of the picks I wasn’t crazy about but didn’t mind them.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Scrathc Chilo that was ’08. My bad. We did not have a 2nd.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

So you’re only Optimist Prime part-time eh? Negatron for the FO, Optimist Prime for the Players? What about the Coaches? NegaPrime?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I might be wrong but I think this draft class is pretty weak at 3-4 end.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 6, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Odrick is a decent prospect.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaches are fine, just not the FO.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

He speaks positive about the lousy Offensive line, what else would you expect?

They wanted Tyson Jackson, I don’t see anyone solidfy themselves as a clear cut starter.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If they do go for a DE

It won’t be Griffen.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's possible.

Hopefully not though.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I have heard him dog the Oline

What are you talking about???

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Link?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It was all over the press conferences

Go dig through them yourself if you don’t remember. 49ers.com.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He specifically called out Snyder several times

Baas as well

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not going to spend 10 hours going through post game interviews but I know what I am talking about. He certainly didn’t say good things about them like he did specifically about the front 7.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

LDE is weak as far as PR is concerend and using the by comittee approach, IM0, makes me believe it is an option.

That is all I am saying, enough skinny lined back and forths Drew, haha.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Pass Rush

Is not the primary job of DT’’s in a 3-4 like I told the other guy. It’s the LB’s that are the playmakers, pass rushers, etc in a 3-4. LDE (Sopoaga) did what he was told and did it well.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

So when you rush 3 and drop 8 back, we don't expect any pass rush?

I can tell you that when we do that, there is only SMith, and McDonald occasionally. Again with the Nickel as well, no PR on the left side, But I wouldn’t address it in rounds 1 and 2, I would do it later, I just think Sing doesn’t have patience.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

You obviously aren’t comprehending how a 3-4 is set up to work. And it was rare…extremely rare that we only sent 3. Most of the time it was 4 on passing downs. Typically that only happened when it was 3rd and really long. Sopoaga came out on those plays because we do have other guys that just pass rush in those scenarios. Obviously you are going to have different packages for different scenarios but when we were in the standard 3-4, most of the time Sopoaga was doing his job and opening it up for the guys behind him. With the current personel, we are set up just fine in that area.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Here read this:

I posted it below but maybe it will help you too.
http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine3.html

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not DE

but as WOLB
Griffen played the LEO position at USC, played mostly DE but did on occasion play OLB.

If you couldn’t tell already, I have very low expectations in McC.

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by supraman on Feb 6, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter about the expectations, I don’t think he is logically that incapable of realizing that we don’t need it. You better believe that Singletary is going to have more say-so this year than last as well.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Usaully that 1 extra

is the guy who is supposed to get to the QB. Plus Manusky likes to send blitzes from all over even if it means sending a CB, S…OLB or whatever. Sopoaga serves a purpose and is not expected to get to the QB. He has reached the QB and he has put hurries on them too. It’s not often because it is not his job really. Again, this is why they take him out and insert other guys on passing downs. I like it because it keeps everyone fresh to do their jobs efficiently and wear down opposing offensive lines. That is how a 3-4 works. Other teams that run 3-4 do it just like us. Just look at Travis Kirschke for the Steelers, same exact stats as Sopoaga….there is a reason for that.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

On a passing down, whoever is rushing the passer has a job to get to the passer.

To say, that when our front 3 rushes, out of 4 that are rushing, job isn’t to get to the QB, MAKES NO SENSE.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

On a passing play, usually its Ray McDonald, an OLB and two DT’s…Franklin and Balmer usually to rush the QB.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

We do play against the pass out of our 3-4 setting

In that case, I can see why Sing would want an upgrade at DE, simply because it would be good to have two ends like Smith (capable of playing every down. Nickel and 3-4 alike.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not probable in the 3 first picks

maybe later but not early on. There are way too many other issues to address before that. We had an insanely good front seven and all of them will be back for 2010.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it is a first 3 picks problem either, I just have this lil' guy in the back of my head saying, watch the Niners draft a DE.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The 49ers need some more pass rush and youth at DE. Sopoaga, one of the best run defenders in the division, is not a primary concern for pass protectors. To explore the possibility once again, if the 49ers were to trade back, Jared Odrick and Tyson Alualu (and more I can’t name) are possibilities. Odrick is going to be a long-time NFL starter.

by MinerNiner on Feb 6, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt it

There is no reason for us to trade back. We have a few glaring holes that will need to be addressed with high picks. Defensive End is not one of those glaring needs. And in fact, is probably at the bottom of the barrell as far as FO is converned… at least one would have to hope. The front 3 guys job is not to “pass rush”, it’s to open it up for the guys behind them which the current 3 guys do an excellent job of.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

No, their first job is not to ‘pass rush.’ However, they are largely given credit to from the defenses that are commonly referenced.

by MinerNiner on Feb 6, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

In a 3-4? Nope.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You are painfully undervaluing the role of defensive lineman in the 3-4. There is no need to double team defensive lineman (in pass-protection) if the defensive lineman is not a threat to the QB.

by MinerNiner on Feb 6, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not undervaluing anything. I understand the game just fine. I understand positional value just fine. I understand how to break down positional value exceptionally. You have to do some reading before you try and argue the point that a 3-4 defensive end/ tackle is supposed to be a pass rusher. You arent right on this one, sorry.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Again

The guys we have currently do an excellent job at what they are assigned to do.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

No, their first job is not to ‘pass rush.’

You are mistaken that I believe a DE in a 3-4 to be foremost, a pass rusher. I don’t. On the other hand, there are some who are capable of doing so. And those who are, are paramount to the success of their team. Ask Scott Pioli what he thinks of defensive lineman.

by MinerNiner on Feb 6, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Get back on topic.

E. Griffen is not a 3-4 DE.
If the 49ers draft a DE it will be either Jared Odrick or Carlos Dunlap.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I know that you are not that dense. At no point did I suggest Griffin.

by MinerNiner on Feb 6, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The original argument I was making was that there was no way the 49ers selected Griffen.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

So wtf are we doing then?

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by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s for you to confess.

by MinerNiner on Feb 8, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

?

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

this exchange should be shared for posterity.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 9, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

saved not shared. what happened there?

by hellaninersfan on Feb 9, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he's better suited for a 4-3

If he can play in a 3-4 defense I wouldn’t exactly be furious if he was selected by the 49ers.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not exactly

Some guys struggle to make the conversion.
The technique isn’t the same.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Technique is the only diff

Most 3-4 DE’s dont run the 3-4 in College, there are not many that run it.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

It can be pretty big.

Warren Sapp once mentioned how difficult it was for him when he left Tampa and had to play in a different scheme.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You're talking after years in the same scheme, not fresh out of college, there is a huge difference.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

What is their first job when the play is a pass?

If it’s a pass play, all players going after the QB, first mision is to get to the QB.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

But they don't know when there is going to be a pass play on 1st down.

When in obvious passing situations, the 49ers took Sopoaga off the field.

Just like the Bengals take Peko off the field in the same situations.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be shocked either.

But I kind of think that they may feel comfortable with what they have at the moment.

They’ll most likely add another DE to compete with D. Evans and RJF.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Read this

It may help you understand defenses better and help eduacte you on why a 3-4 DE is not a likely scenario for us in the 1st round.
http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine3.html

In the 3-4 system, the linebackers are expected to make most of the plays. In the 3-4 system, the DTs play a more physical game as they are taking on one or two offensive linemen directly, play after play.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

DTs play a more physical game as they are taking on one or two offensive linemen directly, play after play.

Griffen can’t do this.
The only way he fits in SF is as an OLB.
And he’s too heavy to play OLB.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a miracle!

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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

No Reason for us to trade back, is that a fact or assumption?

Needs fall in a lot of positions. OT, OG, WR, S, DE, ILB, KR/PR, and not in that order, trading back would be helpful at one of our picks just not both.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You just listed 7 positions of need

We have 8 picks

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I just stopped there and saying I listed 7 areas and we have 8 picks is saying we can draft 8 starters.

Even 6 starters and two backups that will play a big role, not likely.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

We need those high draft picks. We need guys that can step in and make an immediate impact. I am not saying it can’t happen, I just don’t see it coming from our FO. I think they are very happy with the 13th and 16th picks.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

We need those high draft picks

Right, but what would be wrong trading one back and still picking first round and gaining a 2nd? Saying there is no reason to trade back is not an accurate statement IMO.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be upset if it happened, it’s just something I’d prefer them not to do. Especially with the 13th.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

if we were to trade back 17

we could possi-probably get a good OT with that pick and also get a 3rd this year and MAYBE a second next year, if not a second probably a 3rd and some change (a 6th or so?) I mean look at it here’s OTs that would be good most probably. Okung, Williams, Bulaga, Campbell, Davis, Brown. That’s a lot of OTs. Second #1 I would want to try like heck to move that second one but not until draft day.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

5 starters out of 8 picks would be an insane draft. like an all time great draft.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Especially since rounds 5-7

are generally just a roll of the dice and hope you get lucky

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

What about COP back?

Or would we consider that a need a lot of us are feeling and not an “official” need?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 6:12 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not a need.

It’s a commodity.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It is a need

Any enhancement to our offense is NOT a commodity.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

A RT is a need.

Because the 49ers will continue to suck without a new RT.

A new RB is not a need because the 49ers can still have success with Frank Gore.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

A RT can be had in the 2nd Round

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

A RB can be found in the 2nd round too.

The same for LB, S, DE, QB, and CB.
What’s your point?

If the 49ers select a RT in the 1st round of the draft it will be because they believe he can help them more than any other player available.

A RT taken in the 1st should also be much better than a RT taken in round 2.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

My point is that there aren't a ton of RT prospect's in the 1st

So it’s almost a waste to draft a LT that high, pay him all that money and hope he does well in the conversion from LT to RT as a rookie. Staley struggled in that same scenario.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Why draft a guy and pay him more than Staley, and play a position that pays less than LT?

It would be stupid, IMO. Wait until the 2nd.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean there was Oher and he is doing fine at RT but the transition may not be the same for everyone and that’s what I am scared of… Our 2nd Round pick isn’t until 49th though, by that time, the top 10 Tackles may be gone as well. It’s a tough call if you are the FO for the Niners.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

How many are LT's?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd say Singletary will demand an OT in the 1st

In the final press conference he admitted that he wanted an OT last year and pretty much vowed to take care of the offensive line problems.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not too much money.

Just because Staley struggled doesn’t mean every single rookie will be the same.

Michael Oher was a LT (as was Staley) and he did just fine at RT this past season.

A guy like Trent Williams was actually better at RT and is still considered a 1st round prospect.
I’d rather have him than some scrub in the 3rd round that will end up playing G.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not too much money?

He will probably make more than our current LT and that is too much. Not as in dollar amount, but as in, you just signed me as a vet, WTF, type of reaction. You never know. I wouldn’t pick an OT until the second if it were me, and I caould do it with the 17th pick, not two OL in round 1 and not an OT at 13th overall.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

SHOULD, and I bet it won't be the case like it is every year.

There are always selections later that are better early.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

They've gotten along just fine with Gore as the lone back since 2006.

Would another back be nice to have?
Sure.
Is it as big a need as a RT?
Absolutely not.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

And

we have lost games when he has been out with injury because he is our “lone back”

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 8, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

@ MIN last year.

That’s it.

A lot of things went wrong in that game.
You can’t blame it all on Glenn Coffee.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He was out for the ATL game too this year.

His rookie year, ’06, we lost against Tennessee and Seattle when he was out.

In the ’07 Game against ATL he was out (we lost)

In ’08 we lost to Miami and barely scraped out a win against the Rams.

That’s 7 games we’ve lost since ‘06 when he has been out of action. I understand its a team effort, however, there are a few of those that may have gone the other way if we had a guy who could have plugged in with the same ability to hit that homerun ball. Coffee isn’t the guy that’s going to break off anything more than a 20 yarder at best and most of the time his runs will be under or around 3 yards.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 10, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The ATL game, really?

I’m sure Gore being hurt was the reason the 49ers lost by 35 points.

He was a rookie in 05 not 06

We had a chance to beat Miami but Bary Sims missed his block on Joey Porter.

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by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Gore not being in

certainly didn’t help in our chances from the get go.

Miami: whats your point?

Regardless of your feeble attampt to defend it, facts are the Niners dont play well when he isn’t in because there isn’t anyone good backing him up. Defenses can take away the only thing we have left cause they know our other RB’s have been below par in their abilities. They know Coffee isn’t going to be the guy to break off a 50 Yarder so they don’t worry about it.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 11, 2010 2:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Crystal ball for that forecast?

Coffee didn’t have the luxury of playing with Smith. he was playing with Hill, is this not part of the problem? We were also running the two TE two Rb and 1 wr formation that you hate so much.

Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE

Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 11, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t need one, it’s crystal clear without it.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 11, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad you know.

I guess the Shaun Hill factor had nothing to do with it. Anything factual staring you in the face, that could possibly make you agree with a point is null and void. Got it.

Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE

Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 11, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

But it is worth a higher pick at this point than a RT.

Especially since RT is a late first to 2nd round pick.

SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 8, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

It’s not as big a need and will not make as much of an impact.

You’ve said it before yourself.
Oher should have been picked over Crabtree.
Why?
Because OTs are more important than position players and have a bigger impact.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

But when you have two first round picks

You can choose to do whatever, like picking up the most explosive college player to spell your injury-prone RB, and return kicks for your abysmal special teams. Special teams and offense have a better weapon, it is worth an early pick.

Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not getting into the Spiller argument.

I’m just saying that I want an OT in the 1st round (I don’t care if it’s at 13 or 17).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

But Griffen doesn't even have the power to play 3-4 DE.

He needs to shed some pounds and take advantage of his elite first-step-speed in a 4-3 defense.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

How does he fit into the 49ers scheme?

He’s definitely not an OLB.
And I don’t think he has the strength to play DE.

Would they really draft him as a nickel pass rusher?

He really isn’t even that good. He had some trouble with his weight and his production was way too low for a guy with so much athletic ability.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Your mock

isn’t any more probable than any of ours… Not sure why you are naming it that.

Benn Probably is not a 1st rounder…could be but there are at least 3 guys that could go before him.

Odrick for sure won’t go as high as number 12, especially when they need Linebackers

Bulaga is probably not going to fall to the 23rd pick

I’m not sure Williams would go to Houston when their run game is that bad as well as their secondary.

Hard to see Ducassee going that early too

Mays won’t fall to 30 either, he will go before Earl Thomas. The Vikes secondary isn’t all that bad either. I look for them to add a linebacker or defensive tackle to replace which ever Willliams brother will leave in free agency (can’t remember if it’s Pat or Kevin) but which ever one it is, will leave for more money.

I have a really hard time seeing Buffalo taking a QB when they have only done that 3 times in team history with Doug Richie (1960), Jim Kelly (1983), and the last one which left a bad taste JP Losman (2004). They will look for their QB in Free Agency or Chan Gailey will try and “fix” Edwards.

As far as the Niners pick, I don’t think that is “probable”. I would be extremely upset if the Niners wasted a 1st pick on Everson. I see Everson as a 2nd possibly 3rd round guy. That is a pretty big stretch on that pick.

Other than that, the other picks are good. I see alot of reaching going on there though.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're taking the naming of my mock personally

My last mock was named the “improbable mock”. It’s just a name

The Everson pick I explained somewhere above

Bills just got a new GM.. History in the 60s and 80s has nothing to do with this draft.

I believe NFL teams would want Earl Thomas to be a CB

Bulaga’s thyroid problem early in the year could scare GMs

Not hard to see Ducassee going to the Colts in the 1st round.

Odrick; Big-Ten, Senior, and Miami scouts have been impressed with him at the Senior Bowl

Benn most likely is a 1st rounder

1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 6, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Benn most likely is a 1st rounder

That’s not true.
He hasn’t done anything to warrant a 1st round pick.

Heck, I’d probably take Mardy Gilyard before Benn at this point.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Benn

This guy is a sleeper. You look at him as a football player, and he is almost as good as any WR in the draft. The QB at Illinois (Juice?) had trouble the last two years, and I think that Benn struggled as a result.

by MinerNiner on Feb 8, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Granted, Juice was terrible....

But Benn still looked like an average WR out there.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

riott.... nice

Dez Bryant as BPA is my favorite move going into this draft.

My 2nd favorite would be Sam Bradford as BPA.

This offense is still below average until another weapon emerges on the outside and Gore has a complement. An offensive line does not fix these issues and will likely add 0.5 YPC to
Gore’s numbers and help reduce the INTs for Smith. It still won’t add points to the board.

Adding weapons like Bryant and Spiller will put points on the board and make teams actually respect the passing game. Gore’s numbers would improve also as the defense would have to gameplan for multiple weapons.

I think there are a few guard and tackle prospects available in the 2nd/3rd rounds to round out the OL depth. There aren’t any true A grade OL prospects in this draft beyond Okung and reaching to draft a “need” is never a good idea.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Feb 6, 2010 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

Bryant/Spiller

I would be very happy with this. I am a big believer in stacking a position, Crabtree and Bryant would be great together. Our defense played great last year, even with being on the field so much with the 3 and out Alex Smith offense. I think this is what Alex needs, put some PLAY MAKERS around him.

What kind of O lineman prospects will be available after the first round???

by GMARCH on Feb 6, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

it's RLOTT as in Ronnie

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

riott isn’t a bad handle either tho

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

A few points
help reduce the INTs for Smith. It still won’t add points to the board.

You’re never going to see the true potential of Smith unless you give him more than two seconds of protection. And also, since when is cutting turnovers a bad thing. For a team very close to the playoffs, 2nd/3rd OT/OGs are not USUALLY all of immediate start quality and hence, slow the progress of the team next season.

Second, I am not at all a fan of the Bryant pick. I firmly believe we shouldn’t and will not dish out top-15 first round money to 2 WRs. You might want to take a look at some mid-round prospects with huge upside like Stephen Williams (Toledo) and Demaryious Thomas (G Tech).

Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.

by FearTheTree on Feb 6, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

In a draft this deep, a 2nd round tackle could be better than a first.

Just like Oher being the best tackle in the draft and was rated 4th. Nobody knows, that is why our OL coaches will play a big part in where the offense goes, in the draft and on the field.

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

mid-round?

Demaryious Thomas will be gone in the 2nd round.

For all of the hype top OT’s get, find me ONE who took a team from the bottom to middle of the league to the championship and/or won games for their team in the playoffs in recent memory as a rookie or 2nd year player. Great O-Lines can help take a great team and make them a championship team, but a great line alone will never make up for a lack of surrounding talent.

There have been some great OT’s that came out recently and I’d argue that none of them are more valuable than the top playmakers in the league. Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Larry Fitzgerald, DeSean Jackson, etc. are all players I’d rather have than Michael Oher, Jake Long, or Ryan Clady. Those players can single-handedly win ballgames.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Feb 9, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Report: Tory Holt and Offensive Tackle Tra Thomas are going to be released by the Jags

With Thomas leaving, one would have to assume that they will be replacing him in the 1st Round.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

I thought they recntly took two tackles?

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 6, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. can’t see them going OT in the first round 2 years in a row. not with all their other needs.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 7, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

They went OT in the first two rounds last year.

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

So why would they draft another one?

Their O-line was actually pretty decent this year.

They have other, more pressing needs.

14 sacks as a team is unacceptable.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

   1. St. Louis (1-15) Ndamukong Suh
   2. Detroit (2-14) Russell Okung
   3. Tampa Bay (3-13) Gerald McCoy
   4. Washington (4-12) Jimmy Clausen
   5. Kansas City (4-12) Bruce Campbell
   6. Seattle (5-11) Sam Bradford
   7. Cleveland (5-11) Eric Berry
   8. Oakland (5-11) Jason Pierre-Paul
   9. Buffalo (6-10) Anthony Davis
  10. Jacksonville (7-9) Derrick Morgan
  11. Denver – from Chicago (7-9) Rolando McClain
  12. Miami (7-9) Brandon Graham
  13. San Francisco (8-8) CJ Spiller
  14. Seattle – from Denver (8-8) Bryan Bulaga
  15. New York Giants (8-8) Earl Thomas
  16. Tennessee (8-8) Sean Weatherspoon
  17. San Francisco from Carolina (8-8) Trent Williams
  18. Pittsburgh (9-7) Dan Williams
  19. Atlanta (9-7) Donavan Warren
  20. Houston (9-7) Patrick Robinson
  21. Cincinnati (10-6) Jermaine Gresham
  22. New England (10-6) Jared Odrick
  23. Green Bay (11-5) Charles Brown
  24. Philadelphia (11-5) Brian Price
  25. Baltimore (9-7) Brandon LaFell
  26. Arizona (10-6) Brandon Spikes
  27. Dallas (11-5) Taylor Mays
  28. San Diego (13-3) Jonathan Dwyer
  29. New York Jets (9-7) Brandon Ghee
  30. Minnesota (12-4) Colt McCoy
  31. New Orleans (13-3) Jerry Hughes
  32. Indianapolis (14-2) Mike Iupati

Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.

by FearTheTree on Feb 6, 2010 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

Good to see you're giving Ghee some love.

But Damian Williams is better than LaFell and will most likely be selected ahead of him.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Ghee too but he’s no 1st rounder

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see him as a 1st rounder....yet

Some team may reach for him because of the enormous amount of potential this guy has.

The combine will be huge for him.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Think Johnathan Joseph. Raw, but with no. 1 starter potential.

Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...

by Ramah71 on Feb 7, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

I believe that he hurt his knee and is just regaining his strength, but this guy could be a star.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone have

a good list of the guys that will be UFA no matter what the outcome of the CBA? Not ones that would be RFA if no CBA is in effect but ones that would cost us only a contract and a bit of negotiation savvy.

Thanks!

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

Well, lets see here...

WR Isaac Bruce- Bye!

LB Jeff Ulbrich- Bye!

G David Baas- Despite all the struggles of the offensive line, Baas has been a passable left guard for the team. Even though the 49ers are looking to get help during the draft/FA, retaining Baas might be a good fallback option.

LB Ahmad Brooks- Stepped up huge at the end of the year and helped improve the pass rush. There is a lot to like about Brooks in the organization and the 49ers should try to keep him.

CB Dre Bly- At a reasonable price, the 49ers might keep Bly. He was a nice addition to the team and can still play well at cornerback. But even if the 49ers don’t add a new cornerback from either free agency or the draft, Bly’s chances of staying will be minimal.

WR Arnaz Battle- I don’t expect the 49ers to retain Battle. He was awful in punt returns and it looks like he’s going to be outnumbered in the wide receiving group.

CB/S Marcus Hudson- The team might keep Hudson for his versatility. With strong safety Michael Lewis suffering setbacks this past season with concussions, Hudson could be a good insurance player.

RB Thomas Clayton- Coming off an ACL injury and has always performed well in the preseason. It probably won’t hurt to have him back but his future with the 49ers doesn’t look good right now.

S Mark Roman- Finally stepped up this year and made some plays. However, he still isn’t nearly as good as the 49ers need in a safety. They can bring him back if the 49ers don’t pursue a new safety in free agency or draft.

T Tony Pashos- A reliable veteran that got hurt during the year. The offensive line needs help and the 49ers could surely use him. I would hope they can use him as a multi-postitonal backup, but that is to still be determined.

LB Matt Wilhelm- Had a decent game filling in for Takeo Spikes, but the 49ers don’t need to keep him.

T Barry Sims- Filled in nicely for an injured Joe Staley and could return in a backup role. His age (35) could be a factor, but worth the investment.

Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...

by Ramah71 on Feb 7, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

some of these guys might actually be RFAs, but it’s pretty hard to find out who exactly. This was the best I could do.

Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...

by Ramah71 on Feb 7, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about our losses

I am asking what players are around that would be for sure no matter what UFA on other teams.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

If you want to know if a player is RFA or UFA

just go to NFL.com and look up their name. If they’ve got 6 or more years they’re UFA. If less than that they’re RFA.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks smiley

You’re a saint! Even if you are a 9er :-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You may want to clarify…. Not everyone is a free agent.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 7, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

"Because if you use Davis on the outside, it creates major mismatches. You add Crabtree, Gore, and a guy like Spiller to that formation and you are set up to be unstoppable."
- The Great philosopher

Niners can be unstoppable, and no this isn't a Madden formation, this is the NFL, ROTFL!

by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

*lol*

well yeah.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 7, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Check Matt Barow's blog

I thought I saw some FA posts over there.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

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