Drew K's NCAA Positional Rankings
by Drew Kerr on Feb 6, 2010 12:05 AM PST
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PrintI wanted to get this post out there for not only discussion, but for our future community mock participants. These of course are my personal rankings, however, they are based off of three elements:
- 1st- Scouting Reports and other relevant data such as stats and miscellaneous info such as injuries and things of that nature that would have an impact.
- 2nd- Who, What, and Where a majority of the main experts are saying.
- 3rd- My personal perception and opinion based off of watching them through the course of the season. And by this procedure, determining how these specific players performances will fit in to the NFL.
I am going to list the top 10, in order, of where I believe the specific players fit in at their respective rankings. After the jump, I will start with the Quarterback Position and end with the Safety Position's on defense. When finished, this should be close to 150 of the top players entering the draft. After this is complete, I will include a version of my Big Board; I will list the top 32 in ranking (similar to what Scouts Inc does). I understand that some of your opinions may differ from mine, but it should provoke some interesting debate. All of these players are draft eligible.
Note: This is NOT where I think they will be taken in the draft, it is only a positional ranking.
Please Rec this Post so it will stay up and available for our future community mock drafts.
QUARTERBACKS
1. Jimmy Clausen (Notre Dame)
2. Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
3. Colt McCoy (Texas)
4. Tony Pike (Cincinnati)
5. Sean Canfield (Oregon State)
6. Zac Robinson (Oklahoma State)
7. Tim Tebow (Florida)
8. Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan)
9. Jarrett Brown (West Virginia)
10. Jevan Snead (Ole Miss)
RUNNING BACKS
1. C.J. Spiller (Clemson)
2. Jahvid Best (California)
3. Ryan Matthews (Fresno State)
4. Jonathon Dwyer (Georgia Tech)
5. Toby Gerhart (Stanford)
6. Anthony Dixon (Mississippi State)
7. Joe McKnight (USC)
8. Ben Tate (Auburn)
9. LeGarrette Blount (Oregon)
10. Montario Hardesty (Tennessee)
TOP 5 FULLBACKS
1. Rashawn Jackson (Virginia)
2. Dorin Dickerson (Pittsburgh)
3. Manase Tonga (BYU)
4. Richard Dickson (LSU)
5. John Connor (Kentucky)
WIDE RECEIVERS
1. Dez Bryant (Oklahoma State)
2. Damian Williams (USC)
3. Mardy Gilyard (Cincinnati)
4. Brandon LaFell (LSU)
5. Demaryius Thomas (Georgia Tech)
6. Golden Tate (Notre Dame)
7. Dexter McCluster (Ole Miss)
8. Arrelious Benn (Illinois)
9. Jeremy Williams (Tulane)
10. Freddie Barnes (Bowling Green)
TIGHT ENDS
1. Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma)
2. Aaron Hernandez (Florida)
3. Anthony McCoy (USC)
4. Rob Gronkowski (Arizona)
5. Ed Dickson (Oregon)
6. Garrett Graham (Wisconsin)
7. Dennis Pitta (BYU)
8. Jeremy Graham (Miami)
9. Andrew Quarless (Penn State)
10. Tony Moeaki (Iowa)
OFFENSIVE TACKLE
1. Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)
2. Bryan Bulaga (Iowa)
3. Anthony Davis (Rutgers)
4. Bruce Campbell (Maryland)
5. Trent Williams (Oklahoma)
6. Charles Brown (USC)
7. Jason Fox (Miami)
8. Ciron Black (LSU)
9. Selvish Capers (West Virginia)
10. Sam Young (Notre Dame)
OFFENSIVE GUARDS
1. Mike Iupati (Idaho)
2. Vladimir Duscasse (UMass)
3. Mike Johnson (Alabama)
4. Jon Asamoah (Illinois)
5. Zane Beadles (Utah)
6. John Jerry (Ole Miss)
7. Sergio Render (Virginia Tech)
8. Mitch Petrus (Arkansas)
9. Brandon Carter (Texas Tech)
10. Eric Olsen (Notre Dame)
CENTERS
1. Maurkice Pouncey (Florida)
2. John Estes (Hawaii)
3. Chris Hall (Texas)
4. Kenny Alfred (Washington State)
5. J.D. Walton (Baylor)
6. Matt Tennant (Boston College)
7. Jim Cordle (Ohio State)
8. Ted Larsen (North Carolina State)
9. Jacob Hickman (Nebraska)
10. Sean Allen (ECU)
4-3 DEFENSIVE TACKLE
1. Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska)
2. Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma)
3. Brian Price (UCLA)
4. Jared Odrick (Penn State)
5. Tyson Alualu (California)
6. Arthur Jones (Illinois)
7. Lamarr Houston (Texas)
8. Geno Atkins (Georgia)
9. D'Anthony Smith (Louisianna Tech)
10. Earl Mitchell (Arizona)
TOP 5 NOSE TACKLES
1. Dan Williams (Tennessee)
2. Terrence Cody (Alabama)
3. Boo Robinson (Wake Forest)
4. Torrell Troup (Central Florida)
5. Cam Thomas (North Carolina)
DEFENSIVE ENDS
1. Derrick Morgan (Georgia Tech)
2. Brandon Graham (Michigan)
3. Sergio Kindle (Texas)
4. Carlos Dunlap (Florida)
5. Corey Wootten (Northwestern)
6. Everson Griffen (USC)
7. Greg Hardy (Mississippi)
8. Brandon Lang (Troy)
9. Jermaine Cunningham (Florida)
10. George Selvie (South Florida)
OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS
1. Jason Pierre-Paul (South Florida)
2. Sean Weatherspoon (Missouri)
3. Navorro Bowman (Penn State)
4. Jerry Hughes (TCU)
5. Ricky Sapp (Clemson)
6. Eric Norwood (South Carolina)
7. Roderick Muckelroy (Texas)
8. Rennie Curan (Georgia)
9. Dekota Watson (Florida State)
10. Cameron Sheffield (Troy)
INSIDE LINEBACKERS
1. Rolando McClain (Alabama)
2. Brandon Spikes (Florida)
3. Daryl Washington (TCU)
4. Sean Lee (Penn State)
5. Reggie Carter (UCLA)
6. Joe Pawalek (Baylor)
7. Darryl Sharpton (Miami)
8. Micah Johnson (Kentucky)
9. Pat Angerer (Iowa)
10. Donald Butler (Washington)
CORNERBACKS
1. Joe Haden (Florida)
2. Patrick Robinson (Florida State)
3. Devin McCourty (Rutgers)
4. Kyle Wilson (Boise State)
5. Donovan Warren (Michigan)
6. Brandon Ghee (Wake Forest)
7. Perrish Cox (Oklahoma State)
8. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (Indiana)
9. Walter Thurmond (Oregon)
10. Syd' Quan Thompson (California)
STRONG SAFETIES
1. Eric Berry (Tennessee)
2. Morgan Burnett (Georgia Tech)
3. Chad Jones (LSU)
4. Reshad Jones (Georgia)
5. Darrell Stuckey (Kansas)
6. Larry Asante (Nebraska)
7. Kurt Coleman (Ohio State)
8. Myron Rolle (Florida State)
9. Justin Woodall (Alabama)
10. T.J. Ward (Oregon)
FREE SAFETIES
1. Taylor Mays (USC)
2. Earl Thomas (Texas)
3. Nate Allen (South Florida)
4. Kam Chancellor (Virginia Tech)
5. Major Wright (Florida)
6. Terrell Skinner (Maryland)
7. Kendrick Lewis (Mississippi)
8. Van Eskridge (ECU)
9. Josh Pinkard (USC)
10. Robert Johnson (Utah)
BEST KICKER
1. Leigh Tiffen (Alabama)
BEST PUNTER
1. Brent Bowden (Virginia Tech)
BIG BOARD TOP 32
1. Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska)
2. Eric Berry (Tennessee)
3. Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma)
4. Rolando McClain (Alabama)
5. Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)
6. Jason Pierre-Paul (South Florida)
7. Derrick Morgan (Georgia Tech)
8. Jimmy Clausen (Notre Dame)
9. C.J. Spiller (Clemson)
10. Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
11. Joe Haden (Florida)
12. Bryan Bulaga (Iowa)
13. Brandon Graham (Michigan)
14. Patrick Robinson (Florida State)
15. Anthony Davis (Rutgers)
16. Dez Bryant (Oklahoma State)
17. Sergio Kindle (Texas)
18. Sean Weatherspoon (Missouri)
19. Mike Iupati (Idaho)
20. Taylor Mays (USC)
21. Brian Price (UCLA)
22. Dan Williams (Tennessee)
23. Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma)
24. Earl Thomas (Texas)
25. Devin McCourty (Rutgers)
26. Bruce Campbell (Maryland)
27. Brandon Spikes (Florida)
28. Carlos Dunlap (Florida)
29. Navorro Bowman (Penn State)
30. Kyle Wilson (Boise State)
31. Damian Williams (USC)
32. Daryl Washington (TCU)
Like I mentioned above, I understand that some will be against where I slotted some of these players. However, I did enough research and watching of college football to feel very confident in these rankings. If you go to some of the major websites and compare apples to apples, you'll find that my rankings here, for the most part, are in line with those... obviously things will be adjusted as seen fit here and there though.
Feel free to Rec this post as well as give your personal feedback. Let's try and keep the comments and conversation civil.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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I can't believe you have Tebow that high.
LeFevour looks a lot better than Tebow and Snead does too. LeFevour would have been the 5th QB.
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Snead is not better than Tebow. I probably shouldn’t have even put him (Snead) in the top 10 but I knew if I didn’t someone would probably lose it. As far as I am concerned, Tebow and Snead are on even ground. LeFevour for me is TBD. There is a huge question mark over that boys arm strength. He has wheels but he may not have “it”. Time will be the indicator on LeFevour. I may swap him out with Tebow later on depending on what he does at the combine if he participates.
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What is up with Snead, I haven't looked at him much and I remeember he was high in the beginning of the year as far as mocks had him listed.
Didn’t he lose his OL last year?
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He lost a couple guys… but that happens every year in college football so it’s no excuse in my eyes. If you go back and look at any game he had (with the exception of maybe two) he was something horrible. I have no idea why he would want to come out after the outing he had last season. He is potentially costing himself millions. I think it is because McCluster is going to be gone and there really isn’t anyone of that quality to bail him out as much as Dexter did all season. I don’t think there is one thing I can pluck from his game that I would want as a QB for my team, if I owned one. He makes Tebow and McCoy look like they are superman.
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Why are people so high on Matthews?
He just reminds me of Glenn Coffee last year.
All production, no upside.
He goes down on first contact, he doesn’t move his legs when he’s being tackled, he seems like he has a weak lower body, and he just isn’t that good.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
I can't say I am high on him, but I don't think Dwyer is worse than him and the USC kid, who's name I will not mention.
Hard to say who is the “Best” after Spiller!!
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I hear people talking negative about coffee...
It is interesting as he got a few snaps and did ok.. but did really good in the preseason.
I think with a better OL in front of them both Gore and Coffee will do a lot better. Add a few more snaps for coffee and his comfort level will go up.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
His YPC is not even close to where it should be to be average. And he hesitates, thinks to long, and doesn’t just react. Playing against pro starters is almost another league than playing in preseason against mostly back ups. I dont think he is the answer and I highly doubt that he will have enough talent to replace Gore when he is finished. I would have to say that if Gore went down (God forbid) that we’d pretty much be up the creek without a paddle.
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I agree with your accessment that Coffee is not a replacement for Gore.
That is one reason I am so high on Spiller in the first. To start he would be a COP back and a good one, and also one of the top options for KR/PR and also WR. But he could also be the future starting RB for the 49ers
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Another year won't help?
How cna you be so sure after 1 year, what is development these days. If this is the case (1 and done) we need to get rid of Rathman, he is not doing his job(if this is the case)
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Uh well there’s guys who come in and contribute tremendously right away. See: Shonn Greene, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Donald Brown, Chris Johnson, etc, etc…. the list goes on and on. And on the other side of that there’s guys who never make it See: Kijana Carter, Lawrence Phillips, etc… some guys just have “it” and others don’t. I don’t see that in Coffee…do you?
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Shonn Greene didn't contribute right away.
He was ineffective at the start of the season but really started playing well after the last BUF game.
Donald Brown also struggled.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Shonn Greene did not see playing time until New Orleans which he did decent enough against; 4 for 23 Yards (5.8 a carry). Buffalo he had one carry and the next game after that he had 144 yards. Struggled against Miami and New England but the rest of the season was solid. Even more so in the playoffs.
Coffee had one decent game against the Rams and thats pretty much it.
I would take Brown and Greene in a New York minute over Coffee. I would have even taken Justin Forsett over Coffee and he was a 7th Rounder. Heck undrafted Chris Jennings from the Browns even had a better rookie year than Coffee did. I dont think there has ever been a Running Back in history who has had a 2.7 YPC Rookie year and ever come back to be succesful.
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I would take Brown and Greene in a New York minute over Coffee.
Well that’s obvious.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
There are enough players, that have had avgs. of 3-3.5 yds per game with GOOD OL's to warrant giving the kid time.
I think you are jumping the gun on him. How is it you are willing to give Smith so much time? It doesn’t make sense.
SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RB’s = a dime a dozen
QB’s = hard to find and hard to mold.
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Dime a dozen?
So every NFL team has a good RB?
Why is it we have only had 1 for a few years now?
Geez and I thought the Eagles and Pats were just making bad choices.
Yeah right.
QB’s are not hard to mold. They are hard to find and see coming out. Alex is on his last leg this season and should be. A 3rd round pick at RB, should have at least two seasons before he is labeled a bust. Especially when the OL is very weak.
SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coffee is good?
Average RB’s are a dime a dozen. Poor RB’s are a penny a dozen. Coffee’s YPC was extremely below even average. Maybe some of it could be put on the Oline but it was our pass blocking that wasn’t that great. Gore did manage to get 1100 Yards and missed 3 games. I’m just sayin.
2.7 Yards Per Carry is awful.
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It is awful, but he is a rookie.
You make it seem like there is no learning curve for any RB’s
SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it’s not like it was such a small sample size either, he had 83 carries this season. That’s enough to get a decent idea of what you have.
He could turn that around next year but after everything I have seen from him, I don’t see him being around for a while. And he certainly will not be Gore’s succesor. I am hoping he turns it around next year and that he can be an average backup but from what I have seen, I am not going to hold my breath.
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You hope he will be an average backup
yeah for the 49ers, our fans are the greatest……….SARCASM, sad, but true.
SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Average is hoping for the best
as far as Coffee is concerned. He wasn’t great at ’Bama either. 3rd Round was a reach last year. He was supposed to be a 4th or 5th.
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But the 49ers didn't have a 4th.
They had to reach.
You say average RBs are a dime a dozen.
I agree.
Why not just draft another in the 4th or 5th?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Right, so we can keep hitting our heads against that same wall. Good philosophy.
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So then RBs aren't a dime a dozen?
Quit contradicting yourself.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
you guys get so tied up in arguing with eachother you forgot which sides you guys had taken.
by hellaninersfan on Feb 9, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
How is that a contradiction? I don’t want mediocre RB’s. I get your connection there.
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So what do you want?
Two all star RBs?
Well I want an all-pro QB, WR, RT, LG, RT, RG, FB, DE, OLB, ILB, SS, and CB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
I get what you're saying about Coffee
The concern that i have is that as a backup to Gore he won’t get time to apply that learning curve, and he won’t be any kind of difference maker because he as exactly the same style of running as Gore.
Coffee’s 2.7 yards per carry behind the same line as Gore is pretty sad. He did a decent job the two games he started (was horrible against Minnesota). I don’t feel that he’ll be a difference maker for this team but I’m not advocating tossing him out.
Just drafting a guy who can be a change of pace with a different running style
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Minnesota?
A top 5 run defense?
Come on Man!!!!!!!!!
Gore had some long breaks that makes his average deceivable. Lions and Rams? He should have improved his average, and Coffee didn’t get any reps against the soft teams, he got the work load vs the toughest run defense we faced all year and 25 percent of his carries came in that game. I think you two are overeacting to his avg, based on that game.
http://www.nfl.com/players/glencoffee/gamelogs?id=COF308205
His avg rose slightly as games went on. he did however have his most carries vs Minnesota’s defense. You HAVE to be for him having another year to show himself, or you should want to scrap a lot of players on this team.
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I’ll say it again Mark Ingram 2011 lol
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 8, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Williams.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Take the 2004 Niners Team (2-14)
Arguably the worst team that we had in this decade…and not even arguably the worst Oline. Hands down the worst Oline we have had this decade. Look at the rushing totals on YPC by pretty bad backs:
Kevan Barlow — 3.4
Maurice Hicks — 3.8
Terry Jackson — 3.9
Jamal Robertson — 4.4
The team rushing total was horrible, worst of the decade but even those not-so-great backs managed to average over 3 Yards per carry with one of the worst lines in franchise history.
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Does it matter?
They all stunk….they ran behind the worst Oline in franchise history…and yes, Maurice Hicks and Robertson were rookies in ’04.
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It would have also been a higher pick and we wouldn't have two first rounders.
I think if Coffee played in NY with that O Line and Green with ours, his numbers would be as good or better in NY.
SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are failing to understand just how bad a 2.7 YPC average is with any line at any level in a players career. I gave you the ‘04 49ers example. If you havent got it by now, it’s probably not going to happen. smiley got it…. I don’t know, I give up with you.
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Can't remember the OL from 04 and don't feel like looking. I do get your point but there are a ton of factors that come into play with that 2.7 YPC avg.
Our OL is atrocious, and being that Coffee was a backup, I doubt he had many reps, and his run plays appeared to be the same basic simple stuff. Coffee also had the luxury of playing with Hill at QB facing 8-10 in the box. Once Smith laced up the cleets, Coffee didn’t have much time with the offense. The OL is terrible as we all know, but there is more to it than that. QB’s make a difference as well. i think it was you that said sometimes the pass sets up the run, how could anything have been set up for Coffee with Hill at the helm?
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Glen Coffee's stats
for the three games where he was the featured back
Minnesota—25 attempts, 54 yards, 2.2 yards per attempt.
St. Louis—24 attempts, 74 yards, 3.1 yards per attempt
Atlanta—12 attempts, 45 yards, 3.8 yards per attempt.
The rest of the season he had 12 carries on 43 yrds which is a 3.58 yard per attempt average. So it actually looks like he managed to do ok after the first game when he got thrown in.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Rams 3.1 and 74 Yds is not that good when the rest of the league was averaging 137 yards a game on them.
Falcons- 12 Yards (30% of those yards) came on one run. I just went back and watched highlights/ lowlights of that game and he didn’t look good either except for the one 12 yarder.
If he ends up being a number three next year, I can’t see him lasting long. Typically 3rd stringers don’t make it. He’s not the type of back that is going to break big gains.
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The point is
that he improved significantly after his first game as a rookie.
As far as only looking good one one run you can say the same thing about Gore who is also boom or bust.
I do agree with the main thrust of your argument about Coffee not being a great running back, but he did show improvement over his three games that he played.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Gore
had those two long runs against Seattle early on, one against Indy, and one against Detroit (may have missed one or two but he didn’t have that many LONG busts). Other than the handful of LONG runs, he had a bunch of runs in between 5-20 Yards. The main difference of course is that Gore presents a homerun threat and Coffee doesn’t and probably won’t. I hope I am wrong but I just don’t feel like there is enough upside in him.
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Gore had big runs beyond that that didn't go for TD.
He also put it on the ground in the Seattle game, ad was big in the loss. Out of 229 carries Gore put 4 balls on the ground. So every 57 carries he fumbled. Coffee had 80 plus carries with no fumbles. He at least held on to the football. had he been given the carry that Gore fumbled, we may have gotten away with a TD or a FG in that posession, making him the better RB in the situation, where we didn’t need a turnover. Coffee was not used in the Offense with Gore, just in the offense when Gore wasn’t available, or hurt. He only played when Hill was the QB, as I mentioned, so as the pass opened up the run game, he was not allowed to reap the benefits. I think him coing in as the number 2 is good from what I seen, despite the 2.7 ypc, as a backup to Gore. Even if we draft Spiller, are we gonna use him in goaline situations? i wouldn’t. Not when he would also be the focal point of special teams production. 3 RB’s is better than two. The Giants won a Superbowl with a 3 RB system. And speaking of Ward, he went his whole rookie season with 1 carry for a fumble and he didn’t end up too bad as a spell RB, but couldn’t hack it as a starter in TB. SO maybe a backup is good to have, and doesn’t have to neccessarily be a star.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Goaline situations
would obviously be Gore. If we draft Spiller and Gore stays healthy, Coffee will be lucky to see 10 Carries outside of the regular season. James Davis, the 3rd stringer for the Browns had 9 Carries and Coffee isn’t good enough to warrant anymore than that IMO
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I can't see how, when Gore puts the ball on the ground more often.
I would use Coffee around the Goaline, more than Frank. His fumbles per carry are better. We can’t give away the game. Plus if we have Spiller, he shouldn’t get more than 10 rushes per game so why not give Coffee, 5-10 so Gore can stay fresh ALL YEAR. You want to put a 3rd round pick to sleep Drew?
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
If they aren't good?
Absolutely. Clear room for someone else who is actually good.
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I just disagree, when considering a player has only had one year to play.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
I am not giving up on him completely. I just see his ceiling and I don’t think it’s very high is all.
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We knew that when he came out.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Not everybody apparently
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You can't know his ceiling coming out.
He is a RB. There are RB’s that have been overlooked and have excelled, just like a lot of positions in the NFL.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
By his tangibles, he does in fact have a ceiling
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This
Anybody that saw him play for Alabama knew that he didn’t have such a high ceiling.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair.. Coffee didn't have a good OL in front of him and really didn't get that many carries
If he was given more of a chance with a little better blocking up front he would have done better.. great/maybe no.. but definitely better. And as a comparison I saw Gore go for minus yards or plus 1 or 2 many times this year..
Right now.. after they fix the OL then we can look closer at what our RBs are doing.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Coffee also got his reps with Hill at quarterback.
9 in the box and sometimes 10. Hard to appear to be anything with those odds.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
So that answer's my question, thankyou.
Naming off 1st and high 2nd round picks just indicates that the players should have been drafted higher, since they are being heralded as better performers. It does not show any reason to give up on Coffee and say he can’t become an average back.
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Mark Ingram 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 6, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt we will have a top 10 pick to get him
That’s assuming he even declares. He may stay and get his education since his Father didn’t.
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Just turned it on and they have kickers going right now… blah. I missed the good stuff I think
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Shipley is tearing it up
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Ryan Williams is better.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't meant as a shot at Coffee
But I think everyone that followed Coffee when he was at Alabama knew that he didn’t have so much upside.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
What kills me is the OL is the issue with Smith, but not for the RB's, it's comical to be so critical of a rookie.
It wasn’t his fault he wouldn’t have lasted to the 5th round and Scott MC traded the 4th pick.
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No but it’s his fault for not being good. He may be an average back SOMEDAY but that “someday” may never come also.
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I can't see how that is a fair nor a statement up for real debate.
Our OLine sucked and gore could not run with it. It’s too early to say he will never be good, you’re not that good of an analyst, Drew. But you are a helluva blogger.
Michael Jackson invented the dance the Robot, if you could only see my tribute.
I hate Superbowl weekend music selections.
Really? Gore got 1000+ yard season and missed 3 games. I would not say that is too shabby with an Oline that “sucked”. Gore had a 4.9 YPC while Coffee had a 2.7. Gore was also a 3rd Round pick and averaged 4.3 Yards a carry his rookie year and did not start.
Other Rookies this year and ’08:
Shonn Greene 5.0
Donald Brown 3.6
Jamaal Charles ’08 Rookie season 5.3… with a horrible Oline to add.
Ray Rice ’08 Rookie 4.2
Knowshon Moreno 3.8
Felix Jones ’08 Rookie year 8.9
Justin Forsett 5.4
LeSean McCoy 4.1
Benie Wells
All of these guys were 3rd Round or higher and have averaged at least a yard more per carry than Coffee. 2.7 is not going to cut it rookie or not. I don’t want to hear “he is only a rookie” as an excuse anymore…please.
How is that for analysis?
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How many games did Gore play in his rookie season
You don’t want to hear, who do you think you are? Anyways, there is gonna be issues with a rookie, especially with a horrible O Line, How many pro bowlers are on the Chiefs O Line?
Everyone you named either had a better QB, O Line, or not lot of carries. Who cares what you want to hear. You talk the same crap about Smith not getting any protection and it is ridiculous to say it affects one and not the other. I may have even heard you talk crap about Gore’s avg.
Felix Jones runs behind oxen, so what do you expect, especially not carrying the ball that often. It’s too early to count out Coffee, end of debate.
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Excuses excuses. You did not hear me talk stuff about Gore’s avg, now you’re just making things up.
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Gore actually struggled.
I wouldn’t use his avg ypc as an argument that he was good.
His numbers were inflated because of the long runs he busted every once in a while.
He really struggled to be consistent, but it wasn’t his fault (the O-line was the inconsistent unit that blocked perfectly on his long runs but allowed Gore to be hit for a loss on the next play).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
How many of those "long runs" did he have? Not a ton...I would say under 10. What do you consider a "long run" anyway? And why exactly should that not count?
More importantly, how many did Coffee have?
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I didn't say that they shouldn't count
But that they reflected the Offensive line’s inconsistency.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
It does affect both--no denying that
but I think where the argument has validity is that Gore was more successful than Coffee by a fairly large margin.
Coffee’s stats for the three games he took over when Gore went down
Minnesota—25 carries, 54 yards. 2.2 yards per carry
St. Louis—25 carries, 74 yards. 3.1 yards per carry (not a bad job here)
Atlanta—12 carries, 45 yards, 3.8 yards per carry (again not a bad average)
He actually did a decent job of receiving, averaging 14 yards a reception.
Now the reason I want a change of pace back is because I want someone who has a different running style. Coffee runs like Gore, so there’s no change up. Can Coffee be successful behind a good offensive line? Maybe. I don’t think so but I won’t write him off completely.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
It’s the exact opposite
Ryan Mathews is always moving his legs.. which is why he comes out of so many skirmishes
Glen Coffee likes contact, Ryan is more of a Gore… he’s very shifty for his size, gets tracked down from behind quite a bit on his long runs, always seems to have an injury, and his determined running style can lead to fumbles
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
In the bowl game vs. Wisconsin (?)
He looked weak.
He stopped moving his legs when he was first contacted and went down really easily.
He also fumbled.
I don’t see how he can get any better at the next level.
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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Matthews is better than Coffee
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He runs downhill much better
He sees the field better
He knows when to cut and when not to and doesn’t ever hesitate
He has great natural instinct and field vision
He runs people over
And I don’t know what you are watching but he never stops his legs pumping.
Reminds me of Shonn Greene
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I wasn't trying to say his running style is similar to Coffee's
I just don’t see either as a high upside player.
His lower body seems weak to me.
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by SportsChicken on Feb 6, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm... intersting
I guess we’ll see next year.
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Maybe
If I am right that he doesn’t have too much strength then whoever drafts him will have him work harder on his lower body workouts.
He could still be a decent back, but I don’t see him being anything better than a backup.
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by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Fumble yes
at the goaline was stopped 3 consecutive times, yes
Weak legs.. going down on 1st contact, No
If you compare the pros and cons of Mathews and Gore they’re practically the same.
at around the 1:08 mark his bowl hightlights vs Wyoming begin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4kGNjdFgpg
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
He also lacks explosiveness.
Frank Gore hits the hole with authority.
Matthews looks like he’s walking on eggshells compared to Gore.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 7, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
also?
okay he lacks explosiveness but he does not have weak legs.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
So why is he a better back than Dwyer again?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
They are pretty close to a draw as far as talent is concerned. They just have different things that they do. Matthews is a bit faster and has better field vision than Dwyer. He’s more athletic. I wouldn’t say Matthews lacks explosiveness either. Dwyer = power back and Matthews = well-rounded back. Also, Matthews catches the ball better than Dwyer out of the backfield.
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You wouldn't say Matthews lacks explosiveness?
Why not?
He looks like he’s walking through the hole.
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by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
That is funny but not true…. the way you are making it out to be is that he is as slow as Blount. Matthews hits holes and hits them fast and hard. Sometimes he waits for a crease or seem and that may be where you are confusing patience with lack of explosiveness. He also has a short stride which is why it could appear that he is going slower but watch his feet and look at the ground he covers.
Don’t let the beginning of this contribute to losing your focus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF7rbevTpsM
One more for good measure. On the 4th down play he explodes through, maintanes his balance and nearly breaks it off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLOOfonp8Q
You may be right that he will end up a back up initially but he is better than Dwyer. He’s more athletic, faster, quicker, better field vision, catches better, etc. Dwyer is more physical but less of everything else I said above, which makes Matthews a better prospect.
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Matthews hits holes and hits them fast and hard.
That’s just not true.
He was compared to Gore above.
That’s just foolish. Gore is at his best when he pounds through a hole and drives like 5 guys for like 4 more yards.
Matthews doesn’t do that.
He doesn’t explode through the hole and relies mostly on his vision to get extra yardage (not a bad thing but he looks weird doing it).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
He is different than Gore and I didn’t see the comparison above. I was maainly just responding to your question of how he is better than Dwyer; I’d take him before Dwyer no matter how he “looks” if he’s getting things done on the field. He may not start like you said, but I can’t imagine any of the RB’s this year being full-time starters unless Spiller is drafted to a team with major RB problems. Matthews, Best, and Spiller probably have the best chance of being starters someday though out of this class. But more and more teams are starting to use multiple backs. The Saints kept their backs fresh by having the luxury of switching guys in and out for different series because the level of talent was too far a drop off between them all.
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The Saints
Really that’s not a good argument for using RBBC.
Pierre Thomas is the only above average runner in the group.
Mike Bell has terrible vision and Reggie Bush is still Reggie Bush.
They have a pretty good O-line though….
As for Matthews vs. Dwyer:
I feel as if Dwyer will be more successful than Matthews because he has the opportunity to be a great “pounder” type of RB.
I don’t see Matthews fitting into any type of “role”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Well…time will tell on all of that
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Yes.
I’m rooting for Matthews though.
I like almost all California school athletes and wish them the best because I don’t feel our state gets enough love.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
My Assessment of Your Rankings
Drew —
First, fantastic job! Since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, obviously no two fans will see anything exactly alike. However, our views are amazingly similar. Thus, I will only comment where I see SIGNIFICANT differences.
POSITIONAL RANKINGS
Quarterbacks: Right on.
Running Backs: While you rank McCluster as a mid-level WR, I rank him as a mid-level RB. Only surprise to me was including Blount. Though big, he’s neither fast or agile; plus, you have to deal with the character/attitude issues.
Fullbacks: You see Garrett Graham as a mid-level TE, I see him among the top 2-3 FB.
Wide Receivers: I too like Freddie Barnes in the later rounds. I was a little surpriised that Dezmon Briscoe, Eric Decker, or Jordan Shipley didn’t make the cut at the bottom of the list.
Tight Ends: Right on.
Offensive Tackles: I rank Kyle Calloway ahead of Sam Young at #10.
Offensive Guards: Agree, although I have Zane Beadles further down my list.
Defensive Tackles / Nose Tackles / Defensive Ends: Right on.
Backers: A little surprised that O’Brien Schofield was not on the bottom of this list. Because of the injury? Otherwise, right on.
Corners: Surprised at two things; first, ranking McCourty that high (I have him around 9-10); second, why aren’t Dominique Franks (Oklahoma) and Kareem Jackson (Alabama) on the list somewhere?
Safeties: Right on. You peg Earl Thomas as a FS while many services see him as a CB. Reasons?
BIG BOARD
I see that you don’t include Trent Williams, Tate or Dwyer in your top 32. Oversight or deliberate?
Guys that I rank higher than you: Dez Bryant, Earl Thomas, Carlos Dunlap
Guys that I rank lower than you do: Jason Pierre-Paul, Sean Witherspoon, Dan Williams, Devin McCourty, Daryl Washington
Again, great work! Many thanks for your time and effort!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 6, 2010 12:35 PM PST reply actions
Thanks for your input
McCourty has emerged to the top of that class. I am an OU fan and I see Franks getting beat alot because his footwoork isn’t as good as the other guys up there. Kareem Kackson is probably in my top 15, in fact both those names would be.
Zane Beadles had a good game in the Senior Bowl. The South’s defense wasn’t as good as the North’s but Beadles still had a very good game against them and IMO, had a better game than Iupati.
Earl Thomas has been listed as a safety for as long as I have been following him. Do you have a link saying something otherwise? I haven’t heard anything like that recently.
As far as the Big Board was concerned, I based this off of what I think they will be worth once they are playing in the NFL. So I went away from the traditional “this guy was good in college, so he’ll be good as a pro” approach. This Big Board was based on how I think they will do all together with all things considered. Hence why I left off T. Williams, Tate, and Dwyer. It was deliberate.
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The only real oversight I noticed
You still have Tebow in your top 10 QBs after a week of bungling at Senior Bowl practice topped off by one of the worst outings the Senior Bowl has ever seen by a starting QB. Somewhere there is a HS QB that would grade higher than Tim Tebow at being able to run an NFL offense.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Montana's kid?
Did he sign his intent to Washington?
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Confirmed
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=66701&season=2010
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Here is one more. This article is a bit better
http://www.zimbio.com/Nick+Montana/articles/3/Nick+Montana+Joe+Montana+son+headed+Washington
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Joe said that Nick and Nate both have better arms than he ever did. Haha
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Of course he'd say that
he’s a dad.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Archie Manning said that abou this kids too
Dont hate.
He was talking about arm strength, he’s not saying they are better than he was or anything
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I figured as much
Bet they don’t have his dad’s touch though
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Jerry Rice Jr.
signed with UCLA too
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I will be tuning in to UCLA vs. Washington games in a couple years
Thats for sure
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Nick Montana going to Washington is brilliant
Spend a year learning behind Locker then learn to play in Sarkesian’s pro offense.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2010 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
I think it is an awesome move for them
They originally wanted their State’s number one QB prospect but were extrememly happy to get Montana. The Pro-style offense is going to help him become a more comfortable Pro QB when and if he enters the draft in a few years. I hope to see him get some mop up time. Sarkesian said he would more than likely be the back up right away.
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Doesn't Rice have a son playing now too?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Don't know about college, but he is on the way, I think he is still in highschool.
Deion Sanders kid is on the rise too, as well as Barry Sanders.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Drew... Another great post.
This is my college player education from you and guys like Smilelyman, rlott32 and others.
I do appreciate the time and effort you guys all put into this.
I am excited now for both FA and the draft… trying to figure out how we can get Berry, McClain, Spiller and Bulaga … still working on the math… ;-)
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Your Desired Draft
I love your goal, but I think it’s beyond math … simply not achievable. But I love the thought! Wouldn’t it be great?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 6, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
you might wanna subtract McClain though, that could help ease up the math
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
Question(s) for ya Drew
What are the scouts you’re following and where are you looking to get their input?
What are the “experts” you’re following and where are you looking to get their input?
Not questioning your list at all. Just seeing what places you’re looking at and understanding the sources so I can add them to mine or compare them to mine.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 6:35 AM PST reply actions
Mike Mayock
Mel Kiper
Todd McShay
Corey Chavous
Kirk Herbstriet
Lou Holtz
Tim Brando
Lee Corso
Pro Coaches
NFL Network Analyst
ESPN Analyst
Sports Writers
Most of it is what I am watching on TV. As far as the experts are concerned. If you are an insider for ESPN they go in to depth there if you’re looking to have something online. But if you use your search engine’s like yahoo and google you can find alot there too if you are typing the correct words. There is a plethra of resources that you can educate yourself with, you just have to have the time and patience. I watch a TON of college football too so that helps alot.
I check a majority of the Top Draft Websites to make sure everything is within range.
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Also, the other site I have been doing analysis for (Drattek.com), uses information from real pro scouts. I will have to email and ask the Host where exactly, so I will get back to you on that. I think they have contacts.
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Thanks Man!
I notice that you don’t have NFL Draft Scouts which I think smiley uses a lot. Trying to make sure where I understand your assessments and looking for good places to look as well.
Again thanks.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I use them too
NFL Draft Scouts. I use anything that feels or seems credible.
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ugh Lou Holtz is in there
Let me just say that if Notre Dame were in the NFL, Lou would predict they’d win the super bowl every year and they’d have a perfect record every year.
TEXAS FIGHT
I mostly lurk around here, but I’ve noticed Drew that you’ve said a number of times you’re not high on Haden.
Why is he at #11 on the Big Board then?
Potential. Read the three elements on which I have based these rankings on in the above article. I believe that he is the best of his class, I have said that. I have also said that he has work to do. Furthermore, I have said he probably has the highest ceiling of any although I think that Patrick Robinson is going to give him a run for his money on the best rookie CB next year in the NFL. If you notice, I have Robinson just 3 places behind Haden and creeping up quickly. If he has a better combine, He will be ahead of Haden on my board heading in to the draft.
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So if Haden has a higher ceiling
why would you take Robinson over him?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I wouldn’t take either because we don’t need a 1st round CB. I guess I could say that as of this moment, Haden does but it’s subject to change. I had to factor in everything as I mentioned above. But the gap between the two is by a very thin margin. As I said, Robinson could sneak up on him. Haden is probably more athletic at this point which gives him the higher ceiling but if you’re talking about well-rounded, Robinson may get him there. Does that make sense?
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In Timmy You trust
Timmy who?
I don’t think Haden is the number 1 CB this year either.
SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just some stoner who throws a leather ball around from time to time
by InTimmyWeTrust on Feb 8, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Mathews was second in rush yards in the nation and missed 2 games. He is very very strong and has a good speed and does not go down on first contact. I saw enough of him to know he can be good in the NFL
Don't ignore the fact that he played against weak competition.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Not that again.
He also is apart of that competition. His team also had weak points. Everyone he faced knew he was the guy to stop, and yet he produced.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Only thing about Matthews, is he would not be a good pick for us, IMO.
I think the SPiller pick is good because we get the added depth at RB and also KR/PR ability that is great, IMO. With Matthews we’d have a 3rd RB that would be a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and at this point, with our current picks, too high for a 3rd RB.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Guys I’m much higher on:
Arrelious Benn
Everson Griffen
Guys I’m much lower on:
Sergio Kindle (should be an OLB rather than DE IMO)
Jason Pierre-Paul
I'm shocked
I just read the rankings now.
Jason Pierre-Paul is ranked 6th?!? As the best pass rusher in the draft?!?
Has to be a mistake..A guy that has only played 1 year of Division 1-A football..He had only 6 sacks in his 1-A career/season.. ranked so high!?
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
JPP
Scouts Inc (ESPN) has him ranked 5th, I have him a slot below that.
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they're the only ones I've seen with him anywhere close to that high.
I think he’ll be a first rounder, but he’s way too much of a project for top 10 consideration IMO.
by microwave donut on Feb 9, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think he is an instant spark plug in to a defense. He is in the top 32 on almost every draft site I have seen.
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There’s just no way you can have JPP in your top 10, he shouldn’t even be in the top 15
The guy is a 4-5 year project
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
We will see won’t we?
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After seeing McShay's Mock
I believe that McShay is either the creator or had a heavy influence in the Scouts Inc Draft Grades..McShay has no credibility at all!
“That’s the problem,” the source opined. “McShay is clueless. Up until three weeks before the 2008 draft, he said that [Kentucky’s] Andre Woodson would be a first-round pick. He went in the sixth and is out of the league.”
“The problem I have with people like McShay saying stupid things is parents and others who ‘advise’ these kids think McShay knows what he is talking about,” the source said. “And they believe him before they believe the Advisory Committee. Then, when the kids go a lot lower than projected they are pissed and/or depressed. . . . This stuff happens every year and we have to deal with the broken hearts because people who don’t know what they are talking about put visions of grandeur into young players’ heads.”
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Neither do you and honestly? profootballtalk has MORE credibility than McShay??? I am not saying he knows all but he works for the number 1 Sports Network in the World. If he wasn’t good at what he did, then what reason would ESPN have to keep him around? Sorry but you are going to have to do better than one pick that he got wrong. I could go in to anyones mock through the past 20 Years and find the same exact thing.
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Just merely implying a suggestion
If you think JPP is good because you’ve seen him dominate on the JUCO level then do keep him as the 6th best player in the draft.
but
If you’re just jumping on the JPP bandwagon because you see him at the top of the scout’s inc draft board then you should look for some more angles.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
You are assuming all of these things
I have drawn my own opinion on JPP based on multiple angles. It’s not just cause Todd McShay said so like you are claiming. I used Scout’s Inc as a reference for you to see that it is not that far-fetched to have him rated where I do. Most everyone else has him listed as a 1st Rounder or top 32 on their big boards as well. Drafttek the other website I work with has him rated in their top 30 and they get info from real pro scouts. I happen to have him a bit higher because I think he can be a terror and have seen it. Some players peak in college and others in the pro’s, I think JPP will peak in the pro’s. Once again you are firing off with no knowledge of how, who, when, where I get my information from or how I for my opinions. And it’s even more evident that you did not read how I am ranking these players above.
I think JPP is going to be a meance of a pass rusher. It’s my opinion and you don’t have to agree with it and evidently don’t. You aren’t going to change my mind because for years I have been fairly accurate at gauging talent.
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This all can be boiled down to
why is JPP, IYO, the best pass rusher in the draft?
Obviously tangibles are through the roof but what else is there?
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
The tangibles are through the roof, yes, but the leadership and the attitude he has are great as well from the interviews I have seen. He strikes me as the type that will work harder than anyone else and pick up new technique quickly and efficiently like he did when he transfered from JUCO ball to NCAA Div-1. So the intangibles are there also. There is the factor that I mentioned above too, he has just scratched the surface and more than likely will peak at the next level. Will it take him a year or two to be a probowler? Probably… but is it so far-fetched to think that he could possibly be that right away? I don’t think so. He is young and moldable and with the athleticism and relentless push, I am sure that Defensive Coordinators are drooling over him; the one’s that need pass rushers that is. I think he will have a ridiculous combine also which should bump him up even more from the common 20’s rankings we are seeing now.
If you, yourself are saying the tangibles are through the roof, then I don’t understand why you are challenging it.
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I'll remain consistent
and keep saying he’s a project player.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
If he wasn’t good at what he did, then what reason would ESPN have to keep him around?
I believe that he is just there to piss people off.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Too funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c6Lp0_mliI
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
by supraman on Feb 10, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
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by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
right…good reason to pay someone a 6 digit income…lol
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It really is
People watch just to see him make a fool of himself.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
that is absurd
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That's why I watch
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
you can't really compare any analyst to the advisory committee
From what I’ve seen over the years, the advisory committee gives a “worst case” grade to potential prospects. It’s a good thing though, you’d rather guys go higher than they’d thought than be disappointed with their final draft position.
As for Locker, I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t be a first round pick. Who would you be more scared of the Rams getting: Locker or Suh? Still, Locker made a good choice going back to school. He is still raw and the extra experience will give him a better shot at an exceptional NFL career. He really couldn’t go wrong IMO (unless he gets injured).
by microwave donut on Feb 10, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Locker
Could have taken advantage of the weak QB draft class this year. Financially, I don’t think he made the right decision. There’s a chance of a rookie salary cap next year, but another year at Washington will only answer more questions, “good or bad”.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I don't know about that.
His only competition next year is Ryan Mallet.
And I think he’s much better than Mallet.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Dont be surprised if Luck came out too
Then there’s Pat Devlin who ought to make his way up draft boards next season
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I will be
Luck’s family has money, he’ll be a RS spoh and he goes to Stanford.
That says “not coming out” to me.
by microwave donut on Feb 11, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
2012 = uncertain times in the NFL
If there’s still a possible strike looming in 2011.. im not sure if you want to stay in college another year…then again there’s always a backup plan for graduates
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I don't see Luck coming out.
Maybe it’s because he goes to Stanford…IDK.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 12, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
THis years Everette Brown
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
There is nothing close in comparison to the two. JPP is 6’6" 265 and Brown is 6’1" 256. They are complete opposite in playing style and Brown was projected as a 2nd Rounder. Also, when Peppers missed, he did a very good job filling in. He had 3 Sacks and 22 Tackles on fill in time for Peppers. Pierre-Paul will be like Kearse, Peppers, Williams, etc. I can’t wait for him to get to the NFL to prove all the nay-sayers wrong.
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Brown was projected as a first round pick he went in the 2nd, I seen that with my own two eyes on more than one occasion.
Maybe you could ask is, how is he this year’s everette brown. meaning he will slip, fly under the radar and emerge as a good player. Sometimes asking a question can help us understand each other. So I guess there is a comparison I have of my own, pertaining to the draft. Complete opposite in playing style, HOW? Nay sayer? I don’t qualify in that category, but go ahead and wait, it is sweet when that happens.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
I want to draft John Jerry
It’s gotta be a good omen right?
John Taylor Jerry Rice
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Could Be, I want to draft Eric Berry
Eric Dickerson and Halle Berry, doesn’t make sense but two great names are together again.
LOL, I like Jerry too though.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
I would take Eric Dickerson and Halle Berry too... and probably not watch a lot of football
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
NN, opinion's please
Is it possible for E Berry to fall to the 7th pick? If so what scenarios will have to take place. Meaning what players HAVE to be available to what teams?
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Not only do I think it's possible
I think it’s likely that Berry falls out of the top 5. He’s got history working against him and a strong class full of defensive talent.
1. St. Louis (1-15)
St. Louis will likely grab Suh or McCo0y
2. Detroit (2-14)
Detroit will get whomever St. Louis doesn’t.
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
Tampa’s three biggest needs are DT, OT, CB. I think they go Brian Price or Dan Williams here. Maybe Joe Haden.
4. Washington (4-12)
First QB off the board—Jimmy Clausen
5. Kansas City (4-12)
Lots of needs with this team but they can’t pass up Okung at #5.
6. Seattle (5-11)
Desperately need a QB. Sam Bradford
7. Cleveland (5-11)
They could go O-line here. They need WRs, a QB (don’t think they’ll reach this high for any of the ones left). Their defense is not in as bad shape as their offense. I could see them drafting OT or WR here
8. Oakland (5-11)
Don’t need a safety. They need help in the middle and up front. Brandon Graham is their guy.
9. Buffalo (6-10)
They can’t believe Davis has slipped this far. Anthony Davis to shore up their weak offensive line.
10/11. Chicago (7-9
Chicago needs on defense are safety, DE, On offense they need a stud WR and an OG. If Berry lands here Chicago will grab him. I think if Berry falls to Cleveland we need to make our move to go up and get him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Tampa
Brian Price won’t go top 5, that would be an even bigger blunder than DHB at 5 last year. Dan Williams will be drafted in the 2nd half of the 1st round more than likely. Haden is not top 5 either. Nose Tackles aren’t picked top 10 usually… I cannot recall the last time a 3-4 NT was drafted top 10.
Berry could fall but I doubt he makes it out of the top 5. I am pretty sure he’ll be the 3rd player off the board.
This is the only scenario I can see him falling further…
Rams- Suh
Lions- McCoy
Tampa- Okung
Redskins- Bradford or Clausen
Chiefs- McClain
Seattle- OT, QB, DE
Browns- This is where the buck stops. I seriously doubt that Haden goes before Eric Berry as the first DB off the board.
Btw, the Bears don’t have a pick until Round 3.
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Good call on the Chiefs with McClain
I really don’t think Berry gets past the Browns either, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I would be shocked… he’s the arguably the 2nd best player in the nation. 6 teams passing on a BPA player like that would definitely shock me. But stranger things have happened come draft time so I guess the comment has some credibility. Me personally though, I’d be shocked.
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The thing is
much as teams like to tout BPA as their philosophy I don’t think any team actually follows that philosophy to the letter.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
There have been so many examples though. Where need was bypassed by BPA. We were a prime example of it last year. More and more teams have that mindset nowadays
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I think that most teams have a combination
they go for need unless there’s a player that’s so obviously better than everybody else that they can’t pass up on him.
I really do think that Berry will fall out of the top 5 though.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
if teams decide they want QB's
he could drop down to 7
by microwave donut on Feb 11, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Denver picks tenth, either them or Jacksonville.
Okung gave up 1 sack and 2 pressures all year and if he Lions pass on him, I feel sorry for them.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
The Lions will
They like Backus at LT
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
They better… after a $40 Mil-LION dollar contract
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I would not be shocked if they took Okung and dumped Backus. he has not performed at all since the big deal.
He has averaged 10 sacks per season (given up) since the deal was signed. If they don’t take Okung they will regret it. Unless they see a second round Tackle that they like. I am sorry, but a 70 million dollar QB, finishing the season on IR, would be my first priority. The QB more than likely will not be released of the problem were to continue. i sure as hell wouldn’t take that chance on a repeat performance and bad protection has become the norm for Jeff Backus.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/06/after_threeyear_nightmare_lion.html
They could very well pick for the defense because they need it, but if they are using their noodle, they will take the best LT in the draft.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
I think their noodles are soggy… I bet they go with McCoy or Berry before Okung at 2.
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Good bet, unless you're their QB.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Management has said they like Backus
and they have a first round pick already on the other side. Their offensive line is about the same as ours—43 sacks, 95 hits, but they don’t have the luxury of two first round picks. If they don’t go offensive line I would bet they go defensive line since they drafted a safety early last year.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
A late round 1st pick that is barely making 3 mil a year. What do they like?
The 10 sacks a year that he gives up. That is his average. Their QB was abused last year and IMO, that matters more than defense.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I agree
But if the Lions still believe in Backus (I don’t know why they would) then they aren’t picking Okung.
I think that Okung will go to either Washington or KC (although KC has Branden Albert, who played really well to close out the season).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 12, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
KC might be wanting him
Read that they might want Albert at RT and move a guy in at LT. Might want to pick up Okung for the LT spot and then put Albert at RT or LG and have a much nicer line to work out of.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
That's another strong possibility
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
We shall see.
If they’re sold on Albert as their LT, then they don’t need to spend a top 5 pick on an OT.
They can trade down (if Berry is available) or take Berry (if available).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
From what I read
I think they’d really like to put Branden at G or RT and move another guy into LT then have a way solid line.Or the start of it at least.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 17, 2010 4:14 AM PST up reply actions
I thought Albert struggled at LT
but others who have paid more attention to the Chiefs than me have said he did ok at the end of the season
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I saw a few Chiefs games at the end of the season
When Jamaal Charles was tearing it up.
Albert played really well in those games.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 18, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think a deal between the Eagles and Browns will happen sometime during the draft for
Kevin Kolb. The Eagles GM went over there with Holmgren. I think Kolb ends up a Brown and Vick will stay as the back up.
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Really?
I would think that Vick would go to St. Louis and that the Eagles would keep Kolb as their QBOTF. McNabb isn’t getting any younger.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Depends on what is thrown their way
I heard the speculation on NFL Network tonight… but of course at this point that’s all it is. If one of the other QB’s is dealt (Anderson or Quinn), I can see them offering alot to get Kolb.
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I guess it would depend on how long they think that McNabb can play
If they trade Kolb they should be able to get at least a 2nd for him, and then they can draft a QB in the next couple of years.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Today there were more talks about them possibly trading straight up Shaun Rodgers for Kevin Kolb
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Are the Eagles switching to a 3-4?
Otherwise I don’t know why they would want to take a 3-4 NT, though Kolb would be an immediate improvement in Cleveland.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
It's been done before
Where a guy who’s played NT has been worked in to a 4-3 scheme.
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The Eagles really need help on that defensive line
so if they think Rodgers can be the guy that would be a good trade for them.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
That would be a ridiculous steal
Shaun Rogers is a great (proven) talent.
Why is Cleveland just giving away their good players?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
They figure they need a QB far more than a NT
I tend to agree
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Kolb is unproven though.
Rogers is already a beast.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Kolb vs Anderson vs Quinn
Kolb rating: 68.9
Anderson rating: 69.7
Quinn rating: 66.8
Sounds like a pretty crappy deal for the Browns.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Shaun Rogers
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
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