The Niners team needs, part 2.5
by Ramah71 on Feb 7, 2010 2:39 PM PST
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PrintAuthor's note: This is a reworked version of my previous installment, Niners team needs part 2. I believe this version of the 49ers projected offseason is much more realistic, both in terms of available budget and in trade frequency and trade fairness. I will also include explanations as to why I made the deals I did, and I promise it won't look like a Madden 10 juggernaut at the end.
Trades: Isaac Sopoaga, Glen Coffee and Kentwan Balmer to the Patriots for 48th pick (2nd round)
Analysis: I think this is a fair trade. If I were the Patriots, I'd take this deal. Balmer could eventually become a replacement for Richard Seymour, and Sopoaga will push Balmer and Ty Warren for a starting role. Balmer is a former 1st rounder who provides immediate pass-rush help for the league's 12th ranked D, while Sopoaga is a proven run stopper who was intstrumental in helping the niners maintain their 3rd ranked run defense. Coffee, meanwhile, provides needed depth for the running game of the Patriots, who probably will release Sammy Morris, Fred Taylor, and Kevin Faulk this offseason. In return, the niners get Jacksonville's 2nd rounder, whom the Pats acquired along with a 7th rounder for their 3rd round pick in 09 to select Derek Cox. What a terrible deal for the Jags.
49ers Mock Draft:
13th pick: CJ Spiller, RB/KR, Clemson (player comparison: Chris Johnson)
Analysis: Honestly, Spiller is the only logical choice here. I don't really think that Dez Bryant is a good pick, seeing as we already drafted Crabtree, or that Earl Thomas would be smart here either. The niners don't reach. Ever. And since I'm reasonably confident that Bryan Bulaga will still be available at the 16th pick, I'll go with the next Chris Johnson here.
16th pick (from Carolina): Bryan Bulaga, LT/RT, Iowa (player comparison: Michael Roos)
Analysis: Bryan Bulaga has more upside than any offensive tackle in this draft class. He’s 6'6" and 310+ pounds, but should still run a 40 in the 4.9s, which could make Al Davis sh** his pants. Timed speed doesn’t help offensive lineman all that much, but his measurables show that this is someone who has the potential to stop both power rushers and speed rushers, a very rare combination. He has very long arms too, which help in pass protection. He doen't have much experience at tackle, but with the right coaching, this could turn out to be a great pick, maybe even a steal.
48th pick (from Patriots): Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest (player comparison: Johnathan Joseph)
Analysis: Well, we could really use a Johnathan Joseph, right? Seriously, Ghee could be, at best, a carbon copy of Joseph. Read Joseph's SB Nation bio to get a sense of what kind of pick Ghee could turn out to be.
49th pick: (Given to the Rams as compensation for OJ Atogwe)
79th pick: (Given to the Saints as compensation for Jermon Bushrod)
110th pick: Koa Misi, 3-4 OLB, Utah: (player comparison: poor man’s Robert Mathis)
Analysis: Koa Misi is still a bit of an unknown, even to the most avid draftniks, but he has quietly skyrocketed up draft boards this year. Misi has been wreaking havoc on the Mountain West as a senior and has established himself as one of the conferences top pro prospects. Many teams may stay away from him because he looks like a workout warrior, but he still provides great value this late in the 4th.
Major free agent signings:
Richard Seymour, 3-4 DE/4-3 DT from Raiders: 3 year deal
Analysis: The only reason I have a little hope that Seymour will be released by the Raiders is because not only do they have a plethora of talented free agents they need to resign, such as Thomas Howard, Sebastian Janikowski, and Kirk Morrison, but also that Al Davis is really unpredictable. Mr. Davis has lost it at this point, and Seymour looks like he wants out. In any case, should Seymour be released, we could be looking at the best 3-4 defensive line in the NFC, possibly the NFL. A front 3 of Seymour/Franklin/Smith would terrorize opposing backfields all season long.
Chris Chambers from Chiefs: 1 year deal
Analysis: Chambers is no longer the dominant wideout he once was, but still can be really effective at 32. Why the Chargers waived him I'll never know. At any rate, Chambers is a really good number 2 option alongside Michael Crabtree, and should contribute something along the lines of 60 catches for 800 yards and 3 TDs or so. A one year deal would be the best route (no pun intended) and could really help this passing game.
Resign Aubrayo Franklin, NT, to 3 year deal
Analysis: The best nose tackle in the NFC entering the prime of his career. He will stay, and must stay, with the niners for at least one more year.
Tank Tyler, NT/DT, from Carolina: training camp invite/ 1 year minimum
Analysis: This is purely a depth move. We have no backups to Aubrayo Franklin, and Tyler is young and huge.
OJ Atogwe, S, from Rams: 4 year deal
Analysis: Atogwe is a top 10 free safety whom many believe would be a good fit with the niners. I happen to agree with te majority. He has been the lone bright spot of the Rams defense for years, and wants out, similar to Nnamdi Asomugha in Oakland. Atogwe alone would improve this pass defense 10 places higher, and is the roaming centerfielder the niners desperately need in order to complement their dominant run D. Look for Atogwe to pile up the interceptions and pass deflections if he joins this team.
Jermon Bushrod, OT/G, from Saints: 5 year deal
Analysis: Bushrod filled in for Pro Bowler and perrenial All-Pro Jammal Brown, who was injured for the whle season last year, and did an excellent job protecting Drew Brees' blind side. Since he is a restricted free agent, the niners are forced to give up compensation, but they only give up a 3rd rounder since Bushrod has had only one year experience starting. Nevertheless, it looks like Bushrod is going to be a very good player for the remainder of his career, and since he is better than any 3rd round pick available in my opinion, this is a good deal.
Predicted 2010 Niners depth chart:
QB: Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, Nate Davis
HB: Frank Gore, CJ Spiller, Michael Robinson
FB: Moran Norris, Brit Miller
WR: Michael Crabtree, Chris Chambers, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, Dominique Zeigler
TE: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Tony Curtis
LT: Joe Staley, Chris Patrick, Tony Wragge
LG: Jermon Bushrod, Tony Wragge
C: Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
RG: Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge
RT: Bryan Bulaga, Alex Boone, Tony Wragge
LE: Richard Seymour, Ricky Jean-Francois, Tank Tyler
NT: Aubrayo Franklin, Tank Tyler
RE: Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Tank Tyler
LOLB: Manny Lawson, Ahmad Brooks, Koa Misi
ILB: Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Scott McKillop, Ahmad Brooks
ROLB: Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Koa Misi
CB: Nate Clements, Brandon Ghee, Shawntae Spencer, Tarrell Brown, Marcus Hudson
FS: OJ Atogwe, Reggie Smith, Curtis Taylor
SS: Dashon Goldson, Reggie Smith, Curtis Taylor
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
KR: CJ Spiller, Michael Robinson
PR: CJ Spiller, Michael Robinson
Kickoffs: Joe Nedney
Holder: Andy Lee
Special Teams Aces: Michael Robinson, Scott McKillop, Ahmad Brooks
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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The Patriot trade is a HUGE stretch
Balmer has proven nothing and a 2nd round pick in NE is like a first rounder to the Niners. That trade would be impossible. Seymour will demand far too much money as al davis will (site decorum) a brick if he lost Seymour to FA. He would franchise him before that. Darren Sharper at FS? Trading for Atogwe and adding Spiller and Chambers is not enough for our passing offense, IMO.
Good post though.
Michael Jackson invented the dance the Robot, if you could only see my tribute.
I hate Superbowl weekend music selections.
Love it
Except I think Shawnte Spencer should be higher on the depth chart than Nate Clements
I miss Joe Montana/Steve Young/Jeff Garcia
How is that, Spencer is not as good in run support.
Michael Jackson invented the dance the Robot, if you could only see my tribute.
I hate Superbowl weekend music selections.
Clements is over the hill, slow, and can't cover worth S**t
and anybody can dive at a players legs and make a tackle
I miss Joe Montana/Steve Young/Jeff Garcia
by Mr HowsYourWife on Feb 7, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Clements is not Great in coverage, but I don't see what's so great about SPencer.
It’s that easy to tackle but none of our other corners protect the edge like Clements. our run D is good because of what he does, it is a combination of players, not just P Willis.
Michael Jackson invented the dance the Robot, if you could only see my tribute.
I hate Superbowl weekend music selections.
Seriously.
I cant believe how many people are so eager to bash on Nate that they completely overlook his run support. Does nobody remember how much the run defense suffered when it was just Brown and Spencer in there?
Beacause he gets burned all the time lol thats the main one
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 8, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
He doesn't get burned all the time
he gave up one super long TD pass against Roddy White but otherwise passes against him only averaged 6.3 yards after the catch, which is the best in the NFL by a full yard.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He got burned by T.O. in 2008 too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, every CB gets burned on occaision
Nobody is perfect.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
It's happened more than 2 times dude.
He’s not a No.1 CB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
We've already had this argument
want me to dig out the numbers again?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I've seen them.
But hasn’t he gotten worse every year?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I thought he did.
Maybe I just don’t like him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Off the cuff impression
Ok first off if Oakland let’s go a guy that they gave up their 2011 first rounder for I’d be highly surpised.Secondly Tank Tyler is an RFA so that’s a pick.
Thirdly if Balmer and Sopoaga are that good and Balmer “could eventually become a replacement for Richard Seymour” then why are we dissing him and why are we
trading him? WHy are we getting an OLB when we have a essentially our 3rd pick when we already have a good LB corps? Might be good but there are other’s I’d
personally like there. Chris Chambers was gotten rid of by the Dolphins for a reason as did the Chargers, iffy but ok. OJ is 5 not 6 so RFA with no CBA. So youre
giving up our 3rd rounder for Jermaine? Hmm interesting is all I’ll say.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 4:10 PM PST reply actions
Seymour Info
Data from: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/dl.html Note info I’ve bolded below.
Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders (30)
Seymour has been coined one of the best defensive linemen of the decade and had at one time made himself a fixture in Honolulu. An injury and a slight drop-off in his play altered his image around the league, but is still undoubtedly one of the best talents on the defensive line. Seymour has the ability and experience of playing 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. He excels in run defense, but also has the ability to apply pressure and collapse the pocket. With his move to Oakland, the defensive line had been injected with a burst of energy and has performed pretty well down the stretch. Seymour didn’t seem too excited about being blindsided in a trade to Oakland, but has said he is interested in returning to Oakland and has begun contract talks with Al Davis. If a deal isn’t reach, expect the Raiders to apply the franchise tag on Seymour.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Also what about Misi?
You have him picked up at 110 and don’t show him on the team. Is he going immedately to the PS?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Firstly, all I said was that Balmer could replace Seymour at his position, not in terms of production. Second, we’d give up a 7th rounder or something to sign Tyler, which is not a problem. Thirdly, Bushrod is well worth a 3rd ronder, and a huge upgrade over the trash we have right now. Lastly, Chambers is good. He wasn’t cut by the Dolphins, he was released because he was really good, and therefore expensive. Granted, the Chargers cut him for some dumb reason, but there’s also a good reason he was snapped up on waivers in less than 24 hours by the Chiefs. Overall, Chambers is a really good #2, so I don’t think that he’s an “iffy” signing at all, but probably the best unrestricted free agent available in 2010.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
Instead of Bushrod
What do you guys think about Alex Barron if the Rams don’t go for him. And I still like rLott’s idea of picking up Amano at guard from the Titans.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ok got ya misread your meaning of "replace"
He’d be a body to put in there you’re saying? Ok then I’ll give you that LOL. A 7th for Tyler hmm maybe worth it as insurance, especially if we get the comp pick in the 6th or 7th. You have Bushrod at G and we could pick up a good young guard with that pick, Johnson, Petrus, John Jerry etc. But yeah cool. I respectfully disagree on Chambers but if he doesn’t cost then sure give him a try. Here’s the WR’s that are out there: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/wr.html Walter might be interesting.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 4:51 PM PST reply actions
Chambers is so much better than Walter it’s not funny. But I kind of like both the Eugene Amano and Barron ideas.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
I wasnt' comparing the two
was just noting that Walter might be interesting and cheaper and younger LOL That’s all no biggie. Really I’d 10 times more rather pick up a WR or two in the draft rather than FA.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 7, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that you are trying to do something a bit differnt but please start redirecting your mock drafts to the mock draft thread. I am not sure you have read Fooch’s notes there but if you haven’t please take time to do so.
Thanks,
Drew
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
A few players seem to have fallen off your list
Specifically Baas and Dre Bly.
Also, it looks like with this depth chart you are either rotating Ahmad Brooks all over the place, or making him a backup.
Since we’re talking a 3-4 defense, it looks like you’re suggesting Lawson — Willis and Spikes — Haralson. I suspect some people will jump at you saying Brooks should be ahead of Haralson, but I’d like to know in more detail what you have in mind and the reasoning behind it.
May not agree with all your chi=oices, but overall....a good article.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
With first 2 picks, we can score 2 starters !
Immediate needs, I’m not going name Names right now, just positions. That is where I’m starting at.
1. – OL
1A. – DB
2. – RB
3. – OL
4. – DL
5. – QB
6.- DB
7. – DL – LB
The last 3/4 years we selected WR’s, no need to select one this year.
Also, we need talent selectors for the Draft. McC must listen to his Scouts.Every great team has a great GM.
Most of you all know how if feel about McC !
Also, use the FA market for top Quality Players, ( DB, DL and a backup QB ) to start.
Well, QB is much more of a need than running back, but we do need an effective 3rd down/ change of pace/ kick/ punt returning back like Spiller. He can do so many things for this anemic offense and return game. Frank Gore is going to need a breather at times, like in Dallas with the Barber/ Jones tandem or the Saints threesome with Bell/Bush/Thomas. Or the tandem in New York with Jones and Greene or Jacobs and Bradshaw. All playoff teams these days have a solid running back to complement their starter, except with the Patriots case where they have many equally bad backup caliber running backs starting for them. That’s why I like the Spiller pick. Honestly, we don’t even need a backup QB either. Shaun Hill is the best backup in the NFL, and Nate Davis is the most talented #3 QB in the NFL (for whatever it’s worth), so we are set in terms of backups.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
Your compensation for free agents is wrong
The 49ers would not lose their 2nd round pick for picking up OJ Atogwe, the NFL would grant a compensation pick and would ramdomly insert it in the later rounds for the Rams. Just because the guys dating Sings little girl doesn’t mean he will sign with the Niners. Why get rid of Coffee, he complements Gore well and ran this year with a bad o-line. I do agree with the Spiller pick and Bulaga. Both picks would fix alot of needs. With Gore under contract, I don’t think that they will get Spiller, that’s a lot of money for a back-up RB and I know he returns kicks, but no one pays that kind of money for a return man. Just look at Hester, probably the best returner ever and now they won’t let him do it cause he’s a WR now. The money should go to an every down player like Earl Thomas.
Yeah they would
the Niners would lose at least their 2nd, and probably the first and 3rd depening on what level Atogwe is tendered at.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I was confused about the compensation thing for Atogwe, but he is still the best free agent safety on the market, whether he’s dating Singletary’s daughter or not. Also, i do not want Earl Thomas. If you’re going to draft a starting safety in the 1st, use it on Eric Berry. Since he most likey won’t be available, however, I want to pass on picking a safety at all. Plus #13 picks aren’t paid that much in the first place. Gore is 26 and Spiller is 22. When Gore retires (probably at 30 or so), we’ll have the best backup in the NFL to take his place. Spiller is already better than Darren Sproles, and Michael Robinson is too valuable to just release, so Coffee becomes the odd man out.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
The basic flaw of trade scenarios
is that you’re taking players that you think have no future on your team and are expecting the front office of another team to have the opposite opinion.
It’s like thinking of trading Shaun Hill to Buffalo or Cleveland or St. Louis on the grounds that “they might see him as a future starter” or “even if he didn’t do well here. he’s better than anyone they have now.”
Also, often fans making trade scenarios assume that other teams will take 2-3 backups in exchange for a solid starter. Not so likely.
I didn’t say unreasonable. I do say unlikely. You have to assume that they will see things the way you do and not as the Niners coaching staff does. You’re saying “the other team will see more in them than ours does.”
Well, what the patriots are seeing is that they’re getting a former 1st rounder, a decent starter, and a backup with potential for a 2nd round pick. If it’s obvious to the semi-casual (ok, hardcore) fan, then it should be obvious to the football think tanks up in Foxborough. It’s pretty hard to argue that the descriptions I provided are biased toward the niners.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
All 3 points could be argued
Former 1st rounder – so are JaMarcus Russell and Vernon Gholston. It’s only how you’ve played in the pros that counts.
Decent starter – opinions vary on that one. Today I saw a post recommending that he be cut.
Backup with potential – I imagine you mean Coffee. OK, it was his rookie season, but it was very bad. As in supremely stinky. 2.7 YPC is acceptable only from quarterbacks. You can blame the offensive line partially, but with a good line could he break 4.0? Anything below 3.7 is bad. Say the offensive line improves him by 25%, that gets you up to 3.4.
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