Super Bowl a Passer's Lair
by HuddleGenius on Feb 8, 2010 5:23 PM PST
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PrintWe have to face the fact that teams who make it to the Super Bowls have top passers, even legendary passers. Hall of Fame shoo-ins. What are we to think if we think a marginal quarterback can get by if schooled in the same offensive system in consecutive years, with the same offensive coordinator the last several years?
The purpose of my post is not to write a crafty piece but to pose a question and start a "thread" about how Alex Smith will defy the skeptics and make the 49ers the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Every Super Bowl has it all, a superb passer, a great offensive line, a punishing defense, and a strong running game. Marquee wide receivers. They have won it all because they were running on all cylinders, they barely had weaknesses for opponents to exploit.
It would be interesting to see Alex Smith playing a full season and see what he can do with our current wide receiving corps. Vernon Davis is due for another standout year as a tight end, I believe he will surpass his 13 touchdowns, as long he reduces his drops. Crabtree will have a breakout year, since he will have training camp under his belt and a chance to experience ZEN, harmonizing with the quarterback and meshing with the offense. Offensive Coordinator Raye is the type of coordinator who needs to find out what his players can do, and cannot do. Raye should have the facts by now.
I am just hoping Singletary will grow into a savvy coach like Sean Payton is, like Cowher was. Granted, Singletary is not Bill Walsh. Sing does not have the intellect of a Bill Walsh. We have to depend on coaches Solari, Schottenheimer, Manusky, and Raye to help fill that void, their combined experience will meet the quota.
Alex needs to realize that if he is to bring the 49ers to the Super Bowl he needs to have an extraordinary year as a passer. Truly, I think he is not as good as Drew Brees or Peyton Manning. Alex does not know what he is doing at times. Several games he had a very poor first half (50 yards one first half, or was it 5 yards?). He cannot do that anymore.
We need to draft a quarterback with great potential this year or in 2011. We also need to prep Nate Davis to take over the reins, because McNabb raves about him, we gotta listen to recommendations of other players. McNabb is a guy that can take a team to the Super Bowl, I do not hear anyone raving about Alex Smith, the 49ers starting quarterback.
Anybody else raving over ALEX SMITH? Do you think he can take us to the Super Bowl? Do not give me the same crap, like by saying, "Perhaps Smith can give us a 9-7 season."
I do not want a 9-7 season. I want a 11-5 season or better.
My conclusion it can really only be done with a superb passer who passes for 280-300+ yards nearly every game. Averaging two or more touchdowns a game. Can Alex do that?
Realistically?
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Passer's Lair?
Is it Liar?
We have to face the fact that teams who make it to the Super Bowls have top passers, even legendary passers. Hall of Fame shoo-ins
That’s not true, in the slightest.
SUCK IT PEYTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
agree
Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and Jim McMahon would like to have a word with HuddleGenius.
by David Fucillo on Feb 8, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
You forgot about Rex Grosman
Maybe the winning QB? In any case, Grosman made it there.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Didn't Orton make it.
Grosman just took the start.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 8, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Either way...
The point is still valid: It was a Bears team lead by its defense and special teams, not it’s QBs… neither of whom will ever be mentioned in the same sentence as “Hall of Fame” again.
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-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 9, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
McMahon was above average, not at the level of Dilfer and Rypien at all.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
I would have argued the opposite. McMahon was average and the year Rypien won the SB I believe he was the NFL’s MVP.
Rypien was very, very good for about three years there.
McMahon’s a little harder to judge because he played so few full seasons. He actually had a few really nice partial seasons, but how much can you really take from it all?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I was
speaking of the last several years where both leagues are becoming a passers’ league. Many prolific passers are on the rise..
Dilfer sucks, Rypien was good, McMahon was a blue collar quarterback..they might want to have a word with today’s quarterbacks, i.e; Peyton, Brees, Rivers, and corps..and they might want to speak with Marino, Montana, Elway, Young, Peyton, Brees, Aikman, etc.
To survive and to dominate, we need a top-notch quarterback, not just a Dilfer who just happened to have a good year coupled with luck and a strong team to make it to the Super Bowl.
I think I made a valid point. Do you really picture Alex Smith taking the MVP at the Super Bowl? Any ounce of truth to that?
by HuddleGenius on Feb 10, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
The fact is, the NFL boasts so many high octane passers, both leagues are passers’ leagues now. And the last three Super Bowls had top-rated passers.
Super Bowl 44—Peyton Manning, Drew Brees.
Super Bowl 43—Kurt Warning
Super Bowl 42—Eli Manning, Tom Brady.
Super Bowl 41—Peyton Manning.
I should have clarified in my post that I was speaking of the past few years, not the entire history of the NFL.
by HuddleGenius on Feb 10, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
they won 1 each and never really got close again.
While it is possible to catch lightning in a bottle and win a superbowl with subpar QB play, it is not a formula for consistent contention.
by microwave donut on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
2000 Ravens – great defense, awful offense
2001 Patriots – good defense, average offense
2002 Bucs – great defense, below average offense
2003 Patriots – great defense, average offense
2004 Patriots – great defense, above average offense
2005 Steelers – great defense, below average offense
2006 Colts – below average defense, great offense
2007 Giants – good defense, average offense
2008 Steelers – great defense, below average offense
2009 Saints – average defense, great offense
That’s 2 out of 10 where the team was lead by the offense. Who is catching lighting in bottle?
Well, here’s some compelling evidence that offense, and specifically pass offense, makes a big difference:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/11/30/1179319/mike-singletary-monday-lunchtime#26380359
I’d be interested actually to see a similar list showcasing the defenses for those teams.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Of course it does
Playoff teams by almost definition are better than average. Typically to advance a team needs to pass over the top of a good defense or score enough by passing to keep up with a great offense. Pretty much most playoff teams can run the ball and stop and run.
However back to my late 90’s reference, their were a lot of great QB’s in the league in the late 90’s. By 2000 most had retired. Are the great QB’s today going to be around in a few years, are their viable replacements? It cyclical, the landscape will change. After Elway won the SB everyone was convinced a requirement for the SB ring was a HOF QB.
All those teams except the Bucs and Ravens had/have franchise level QB’s, which was my point. The Bucs got a great year out of Johnson even when they won it.
by microwave donut on Feb 11, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
"Sneaky, sneaky sir"
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 8, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
just my opinion
but you might wanna change your username
"The Football The 49ers Team has The excitement of the bear, the velocity of the deer and strenght of the buffalo.
*Chuckles*
It stays HuddleGenius. Don’t want to lose my brain.
by HuddleGenius on Feb 10, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Last 5 Super Bowls
Super Bowl 44—Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. One is a Hall of Famer. One might be
Super Bowl 43—Kurt Warning, Ben Roethlisberger. One should be in the HOF. One won’t be
Super Bowl 42—Eli Manning, Tom Brady. One might make it, the other won’t
Super Bowl 41—Rex Grossman, Peyton Manning. One a future first ballot HOF. One out of the league.
Super Bowl 40—Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Hasselbeck. Neither one even close to HOF.
8 different QBs. One first ballot HOF, two who will eventually get in, and one who might make it if he continues to be as productive as he has been the past couple of years. Barely 50%.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I thought Grossman was a backup in Houston… either way, he shoudl be out of the league.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Warning
lol
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I dislike Roethlisberger...
He is young (27), has two super bowl rings already, and is playing on a team that has been good for a long time. I would definitely move him into the “might be” category. That pushes it to 62.5%… though I’m not so sure Warner is a shoe in.
And, for the record, Brady has a much better HoF resume than Brees and Warner. The only reason he’s not on the “first ballot” list is that he got injured in the first quarter of the first game of 2008 and disappeared for an entire season. If Manning is a first ballot guy with one super bowl and a 9-9 playoff record, I don’t see how Brady isn’t at least a “sure thing” with 3 super bowls and a 14-4 playoff record.
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 9, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Roethlisberger won't make it
And he shouldn’t. He’s not that great a QB. Warner should be a shoe-in. He took two different franchise to the SuperBowl and both of them were struggling before he started. He has incredible accuracy and incredible playoff numbers. .
I totally disagree about Brady’s HoF resume. I’ll do some research on it later when I have some time. I do think he’ll end up there but I don’t think he’ll be a first ballot HOFer unlike Peyton Manning.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Agree on Big Ben ...
He’s a great example of a QB looking good because of the team around him – but the team not asking him to do too much.
Roethlisberger’s career has been really weird so far. Out of six seasons, he has two really fantastic seasons (2007 and 2009), and four pretty middling ones. He was being protected so much in his first two seasons that I just can’t think of them as anything more than “meh” years, and 2008 in particular was just a lousy year.
The big knock on him is that he stands forever in the pocket… and it’s true. He really hurts the team by doing that. His sack%+ is 80 for his career – which is absolutely ludicrous. It’s criminal, really. And it’s almost 100% his own fault. He stands back there, and he’s not mobile. He may be hard to bring down, but he still goes down and it hurts that team every single time he does – and what’s worse is that he’s gotten WORSE at this as his career has gone on.
He also throws a lot of interceptions. He’s only had two seasons when he wasn’t well below average.
His two great years really skew his stat totals. In 2007, it was almost ridiculous how well he played. He’s almost like two different quarterbacks. There’s this below average quarterback who takes a lot of hits and throws a lot of interceptions, and then there’s this really great quarterback who still takes a lot of hits but does everything else right. I don’t think it’s clear which one is the real Big Ben. And if he doesn’t get consistent with his play, I don’t think he has a shot.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Funny fact
The 2 best seasons Big Ben had statistically, the Steelers didn’t even make it close to the Super Bowl.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Even Funnier Fact
Those were also the two seasons where he was the absolute worst at standing in the pocket and taking sacks.
You think being a statue isn’t hurting your team, Ben? I have some correlative stats that don’t necessarily suggest that it is!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I think when all is said and done Roethlisberger will be a hall of famer.
2 superbowl wins already. 9th in career rating, 8th in completion %, 5th in yards per attempt, 5th in winning % as a starter.
He can continue to be up and down and get in, he just can’t go to the tank. And he needs to play at least 6 more years.
by microwave donut on Feb 10, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
With 2 super bowl victories, a quality passer rating
And fans loving him (I have no idea why, but it’s there), there’s no way he doesn’t make it unless he goes in the tank in the next 3-4 years. Much as you and others don’t like the “passer rating” stat, it’s there and is used by the masses…
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 10, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said
The thing standing in the way of Brady’s 1st ballot candidacy is 2008… and to a lesser extent the year he missed on statistics as a rookie. But he’s still going to get in as long as he plays for another year or two to get his stats up… unless it turns out he was popping steroids while holding the infamous video camera and calling his bookie to bet on the games.
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 10, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
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