49ers Smart Draft
by fysical_panda on Feb 8, 2010 11:42 PM PST
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A lot of mock drafts have the NIners taking cj spiller. To me that would be a huge mistake. The 49ers
struggled in two major stats last year -1. passing yards allowed 2. sacks allowed - They do not have a speedy CB to cover the fast wide recievers, ( roddy white, de sean jackson) who absolutely killed our DBs. The 49ers have a shut down rush defense if we fixed our pass defense it would be a top 3 overall defense with no doubt
40 sacks were allowed by the 49ers last year, however, there was a lot of injuries and shifting of the OL. But the OL was struggling for the get go with Shaun Hill. Alex Smith showed signs of being a playoff caliber QB when given time to throw and or not being under pressure. A good lineman can also help open up those holes for a very underrated Gore.
The 49ers have the best LB with Patrick Willis to stop the rush and up and coming players with Brooks and Goldson. Obviously smith and Parylson are doing they're job along with Frankin who will hopefully get a new contract. The offense is just about set with Crabtree, davis, Gore, Morgan and probably Smith. All who are just about for sure starters for 2010
My Mock Draft
13. Joe Haden best CB in draft. Great speed and good ball presence. If not available (very likely he wont) i would like to see Trent WIlliams, or next best OL since it is a weak CB class
16. Bruce Campbell- very athletic for an offensive line man. Good speed and very strong. If not available an Earl Thomas or Donovan warrren would be a good addition to the back field
2nd Round
In second round i Can see them drafting a good return man or another OL . Maybe even a wide receiver to fill in for Bruce although i like Hill for that.
Mardy Gilyard with no doubt can be a great return man that the 49ers desperately need. However some feel he can be obtain in the 3rd round but i feel he's the man to return the ball for the niners. Plus hes a very good receiver with big play capabilities to fill in for an injured WR or even compete with HIll for the Third wide.
I strongly feel this is the Smartest way to go to feel in the 49ers flaws of last year and go deep in playoffs.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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i think you mean donovan warren.
haden might not even be there with our first pick. this cb class is wack.
The CB class isn't as weak as last year's.
Kyle Wilson, Patrick Robinson, and Brandon Ghee can all be good NFL CBs.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Jenkins, Davis, and Butler can still be better.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Forgot about Davis.
I don’t believe in Jenkins and Butler really isn’t that good.
I think Ghee alone has a higher ceiling than any of last year’s prospects.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
You don't believe in Jenkins?
He shut down Welker, and he is a rookie. he pretty much played him man to man and shut Welker down. Butler is good and he was starting at times on a team where rookies don’t always start and also where there is no veteran leadership. he is good. Ghee has a higher ceiling than all of those prospects? I guess that remains to be seen, I didn’t hear too many people high on him unitl the senior bowl. One game does not mean much at the next level. Davis played Moss pretty good, especially as a rookie. it’s waaaay too early to put Ghee up on a pedistol.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Brandon Ghee looks really good, though. He is going to be a de facto 2nd rounder. A lot of people are comparing him to Johnathan Joseph, the CB on the Bengals.I’ve seen the guy play on TV and in YouTube clips, and I have to say, I agree with the comparison. He is raw, and his mechanics aren’t as refined as a more polished or experienced corner out of college would have, but that can be fixed with proper coaching. But the guy can ball. He has great instincts, and rare speed for such a physical corner. He has some of the run stopping instincs of Nate Clements as well, and is certainly built like him. What’s not to like about him? The only reason he is a 2nd rounder is because he plays in the inferior ACC, and he absolutely dominates.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
He's also falling because of an injury.
I agree his mechanics aren’t where they need to be.
But he has all the tools to be an elite CB at the next level.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Wasn't implying there is nothing to like about him, unless I can't read.
What you are saying does not say anything in comparison to any of the corners above. I think this comment is off topic.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Jenkins
He had a lot of lapses in coverage this year.
He was a liability at times.
I guess it is to be expected from a rookie but I just don’t see him being a top tier CB.
As for Ghee: I’ve been high on this guy since his second season at Wake Forest.
He has great size, top-tier speed, and he’s also very physical.
Ceiling is based on physical abilities and Ghee has more athletic abilities than any CB that came out last year (Davis may be stronger but Ghee is faster and bigger).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Jenkins performed on the biggest stage, vs one of the league's elite, and their were no lapses.
If not for his coverage on Welker, the Pats had a better shot at scoring.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
I still think Ghee will be better.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 12, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Haden has a lot of work to do
I dont think he would be an upgrde over Clements or Spencer his first year. I hope that whoever we draft with our first two picks are start-ready.
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Oddly enough, Alex Smith actually got sacked at a rate slightly lower than that of the average NFL quarterback.
It was when Shaun Hill was starting that the sacks were a really major issue.
Now QB pressures and QB hits are a completely different story. But at least for last year’s Niners, it seems like the sack numbers were much more directly influenced by the QB who was in the game than the offensive line itself.
Not excusing the offensive line – just explaining why “sacks” on its own isn’t that useful. We really need – at the very least – QB pressure and hit numbers, and – ideally – time-in-the-pocket numbers to put them in context.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Did you count the texans game as half a game? or not?
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I used the sack%+ stat on pro-football-reference.com, which uses sacks per attempt to get the percentage and then compares that to the league average. I don’t believe that it’s defense adjusted at all, which would be something that would have to be done to get good, truly reliable figures, but it doesn’t suck.
So it would include that half, but it wouldn’t matter that it was half a game since it’s just using the pass attempts as part of a larger total.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Eh
Well the 49ers did run a lot more screens with Alex Smith.. and Alex has pretty much mastered ugly checkdown..
Not saying the facts are wrong..
but I think the facts are misleading..
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Oh, I think that straight sack numbers and percentages are always misleading. Quarterbacks have a lot of control over actually getting sacked. They can check down. They can throw incompletions. They can scramble. They can take a penalty for grounding. They can do a whole heck of a lot to control sack numbers.
That’s why I was saying that the sack numbers aren’t really that good for evaluating an offensive line, and why I said that QB pressures and hits, as well as time-in-the-pocket would both be much, much, much better for these purposes.
It was all in response to this idea:
The 49ers struggled in two major stats last year -1. passing yards allowed 2. sacks allowed
In fact, both passing yards allowed and sacks allowed are bad ways to evaluate these respective areas. Passing yards allowed does not equal bad secondary. Sacks allowed does not equal bad offensive line. We need to use more elegant methods before we can actually blame these units for the issues that are being brought up.
That was really my entire point.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Panda, I think you are on to something
Especially with regard to pass defense and secondary speed. I think that was our defense’s achilles heel.
I’d love to see the Niners pick up a CB in the first round, that is considered starter ready. They need young legs in the secondary. Ideally Haden or Kyle Wilson (but I don’t know much).
I also am on the Myron Rolle bandwagon. I think the Niners should look at him in the second round, and he could immediately start and play all three downs as the strong safety.
That combination would be a serious upgrade in speed in the secondary.
In the third round, if he is available. I’d like to target Javier Arenas, as a nickel cornerback and punt return/kick return guy.
I am okay with bringing back the entire line, but would prefer Tony Pashos or Alex Barron at Right Tackle. Sign them soon and get them into camp to coach em up.
I’m also okay with drafting a RT in the first round. Ideally one that has the potential to play LT.
I know lots of people talk about CJ Spiller, but I would rather trade a first rounder for Josh Cribbs than use a pick that high on Spiller.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Myron is an intriguing prospect, I just worry whether someone who has the options he does is going to enjoy football enough at the pro level to want to stick with it. How many concussions would you want to dish out to yourself if you had that brain?
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Feb 11, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
He says he wants to play in the pros for ten years
He also wants to use the money for philanthopic projects, so obviously the more he plays, the more he collects in endorsements and builds his brand, the more contributions he collects from corporations for his foundation.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Feb 11, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
If I wanted a contract, why the heck would I tell any team I want to play for 3 or 4 years?
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Either way
a rookie contract is 3-5 years (not 10)… why would he say anything? He more than likely would keep his mouth shut if those werent his intentions. In 10 years he’ll still be relatively young…33 or so.
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RE Pass Protection
I did a quick look at the stats for sacks allowed:
Shaun Hill: 18 sacks in 5.5 games = 3.3 avg (rounded)
Alex Smith: 22 sacks in 10.5 games = 2.1 avg (rounded)
Last 8 games, Niners gave up 16 sacks in 8 games 2.0 avg.
That is respectable, and includes Adam Snyder, Chilo Rachal, David Baas and Barry Simms.
Pass protection may not be the glaring need we all think it is.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
I take it you didn’t read the exchange that I had with supraman. Sacks alone are a very poor measure of pass protection.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
very poor, we had to use the Shotgun to accomplish that.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
You didn't see Snyder get manhandled by Chris Long?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
dont forget the change-up in formation/packages and crabs
Shotgun and 3 step drops helped pushed the sack avg down those last 8 games.
I'm not saying Snyder is great
I’m just saying he might not be as terrible as we all have been saying, especially with an offseason at RT, the scheme adjusted for Alex Smith, quicker passes, and better play from the guards.
I also think it would be adequate to bring Pashos back on a four or five year contract, let him learn the system, and use the first round draft picks on the secondary.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Please don't tell me you're making excuses for the worst starter on the team.
That’s like Florida Danny saying Mark Roman isn’t as bad as we think he is.
Adam Snyder is terrible at RT, he was horrible in 2008, he was just as horrible in 2009.
He did not get better as the season went on (evidenced by his terrible game vs. the Rams) and he’s the worst starter and replacing him is the 49ers No.1 priority.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
LOL yeah very true please get him out of there
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 10, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Snyer is an awful RT
He’s a backup guard the team mistakenly tried to play at RT because the GM got caught with his pants down during the draft.
I respectfully disagree
I think he got a little better as the season went along. He went from one of the absolute worst RTs in the league, to a solid member of the worst third. That is improvement. Keep in mind he switched positions several times, and had Chilo Rachal next to him. I’m not saying he is great, I think his maximum upside might be an average RT. I hope we get someone else.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Feb 10, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
That's just not true.
He didn’t “switch positions” he lost his job to Pashos, Pashos got hurt and he was given the job by default, again.
Rachal was actually good and was a beast in the final 6 games of the year.
Go see Smileyman’s post on the front page.
You’ll see that Snyder only “improved” in the final few games of the seasons (when they played the Lions and Rams).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
lol so sad…..
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 10, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget the Marvel Smith experiment.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Feb 11, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
Snyder was supposed to “compete” with him but was given the job by default when Smith retired.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
totally agree
And I think we should draft a RT. I’m just saying I don’t think it is the dire need that demands we structure our draft in a certain way, ie: RT first, then CB or change of pace back, then strong safety.
I think that given the 49ers two First Round Picks, it is reasonable that they can draft 3 starters and three specialists this year:
Starters:
RT, CB, SS,
Specialists:
PR/KR, Nickelback, change o’ pace back
They're called RUNS for a reason.
+reply is your friend.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
The sack issue
I’m not going to reply to anyone specifically because this is a response to everyone. I think although the sack numbers went down, that has to be attributed to Smith’s ability to avoid sacks, whether it be move in the pocket or throw it away. I think the pressure was still there, and that’s the killer.
I don’t care if we have 0 sacks on the season, if that came at the price of the QB throwing the ball away after 2 seconds on every other pass attempt. The QB needs time to look down the field, assess the situation and throw the ball. I get tired of watching other team’s QBs calmly standing in the pocket for 5-6 seconds while ours usually have to run for their lives after the 2nd step (I swear it seems like they sometimes don’t even have time for a 3 step drop).
So although the numbers got better, that was not a result of the line getting better. Snyder still gave up too much pressure too quick. The pocket collapsed way too fast. And unlike most QBs, ours usually don’t have the ability to step into the pocket as at least 1 interior defender usually makes a good push into the middle of the pocket.
Now some of this may be scheme/coaching. But I do think the talent is lacking. And even though the numbers look encouraging, I have a feeling it’s just a mirage. In reality, we had a more elusive QB the second half of the season (and altogether more elusive QBs in 2009 than 2008 when JTO ran the show for half a season), and like some people mentioned, the shotgun/spread seemed to help the OLine and Smith lower the sack numbers. But I think we all agree the team cannot limit itself to just that offensive scheme.
I agree
as rlott says below, even a 3rd rounder may be a significant upgrade over Snyder. My point is just that we don’t have to start off the mock drafts with a RT.
Also, I think Myron Rolle is going to be a major steal as a 2nd round pick. He would be tremendous help in pass coverage from the SS position.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
My point is just that we don’t have to start off the mock drafts with a RT.
No we don’t.
But don’t you think the 49ers would be much better with 2 first round OTs?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily. Especially if a shutdown corner is available with the pick
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Feb 10, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
There is no shutdown corner in the entire draft.
This is a very weak CB class.
Wilson, Robinson and Ghee are the three guys I can see doing well in the NFL.
Maybe Haden if he lands in the right place.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
steal in the 2nd, that is way too early for him. he isn't the 3rd best prospect in this draft.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
I don't think Haden has the speed.
We need a Safety to cover over head on Clements side of the field. Safeties have to be responsible too. This is why I would prefer
1a traded for Berry
1b Spiller
2 traded for Berry
3 Calloway or best RT avail. ( even in the 3rd round, this player will be better than Snyder.)
This or see the sig Below, GO NINERS
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- Ray Bulaga OT- Iowa
2 E Berry traded
3. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
4. Jacoby Ford, Freddie Barnes, Stephen Williams
5. Trindon holliday KR/PR
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
go niners
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
You have obviously never seen Berry play.
I’d give both 1st rounders for Berry if we didn’t have such a big need for an OT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
I have seen Berry play
And you answered my next comment for me. There isn’t anyone in this draft I’d like to see them give up both 1st rounders for, especially with both picks being around the top 15.
Eric Berry is worth 2 1st round picks.
He’s that good man.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I tell you what. I would trade both first to the chiefs if I could have their second
Still get a rt, lg and a change of pace back. There are more dynamic returnman than SPiller and our tackle need is at RT. The reason we won’t go after Berry is because Goldson will be resigned and a high draft pick demands a high salary. i bet Scot Mc wanted to get a top 7 pick so he could have one of the elite, it seems he had a hard on (hope thats ok) for an additional 1st rounder.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
I hope they trade up man I want him on the team so bad lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 10, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Who is a better return man than Spiller? Curious
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I'm glad you asked
Arenas is probably the best punt returner in the draft.
Gilyard is a tremendous kickoff returner.
This is based off stats and my personal opinion.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/career/careerPuntRetB7.html
Here you see that Arenas dominates in nearly every category.
No contest.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/career/careerKORetB12.html
Spiller comes close here.
I still think Gilyard is better because of his average (although Spiller has more TDs).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 12, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
And then when you compare the team around the two, Spiller wins by a long shot.
Arenas is also not going to be a good corner in the NFL. Spiller is unbelievably fast and has better size, Arenas is a midget.
You FAIL
PR/KR (especially PR) doesn’t heavily rely on having talent around you.
Obviously you need guys to block for you, but if you can’t make guys miss, you’re not going to be a good returner.
We’re talking return men ONLY.
When it comes to returning punts, Arenas is the best in the nation (and one of the best all time).
When it comes to returning kicks, Gilyard and Spiller are both amazing.
BTW: It doesn’t matter if Arenas is small, Sproles is smaller and that doesn’t stop him from being a great KR.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 23, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Go ahead.
Why won’t one of the best punt returners in the history of college football be a good punt returner in the NFL?
You can go ahead and say he won’t be a good CB.
But he’ll always be good at returning punts.
You’re just “hating”.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 1, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Lol, you’re right I am just ‘hating’…But I am sticking with it, I have a keen sense for these things.
Sure you do.
Come back next offseason and prove me wrong.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 2, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Sure.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you that Eric Berry would be great
I’m not sure the trade up is a good idea for a couple reasons:
1, We’re not sure the trade up can happen, if he’s worth it why trade
2, I think we can get the same bang for less buck by drafting Myron Rolle in the second round
3, If we get Rolle to start at strong safety in the second round, we can resign Michael Lewis, knowing that if his concussions prevent him from going, we’ve got a legit backup plan AND by not trading up for Berry, we can draft both a CB and OL in the First Round if we go that way, OR pick up a stud pass rusher or WR if one drops to us.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Myron Rolle??
LMAO, no comparison. Please use Earl Thomas or a Safety rated in the 2nd at least, but Myron Rolle, please don’t kill yourself for being in love with his story.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Did you just compare Rolle to Berry?
Come on man…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
They both play SS
I bet they both have pro bowl careers. They both could start at SS for the Niners next year. Similar size and speed. Don’t discount Myron Rolle’s drive.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Feb 10, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Berry has better instincts, better hips, he’s a better tackler, and has MUCH better vision after an INT.
Before Rolle took the the scholarship, he was regarded as a 2nd-3rd round pick.
He was never that good dude.
Eric Berry is the best player in the draft but won’t go No.1 Overall because of his position.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Rolle does not have 4.3 speed or he would be a better prospect, as in projected higher than a 3rd.
He was invisible in the Senior Bowl. Pro Bowl careers? Exactly what does that mean. Does it mean you know Rolle won’t leave once he has enough moneyto start his business? I don’t discount his drive but I do discount his motive.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
he said he wants to play for ten years
I thought I read his 40 was down into the 4.4s. That’s plenty fast for a SS.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Feb 10, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
He has stiff hips and lacks the instincts of Eric Berry.
As I have already mentioned, before he took the scholarship he was regarded as a 2nd-3rd round pick.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 11, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
This
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Berry would be awesome but its too much to give
we would have to give up too much to move up to get berry wen we have a great opportunity to fill up some holes with good talent with the two first round picks
what is too much to give?
We have no idea where he will fall, so who knows if he can be traded for. I would like to though.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Yeah definitely he would be awesome addition. I wouldn’t mind giving up our 1st and a 2nd or 3rd for him
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 9, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Would you trade a 1st and 2nd for a young Ed Reed?
I sure would.
Eric Berry has that much talent dude.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 9, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is that whoever drafts him, is more than likely going to want to keep him.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Although S.F. defense rated 3rd in QB sacks, the last 2 games recorded 10 sacks.
if you were to remove thoses 10 sacks, they would be rated around the middle of the pack. Avg at best. Yes, there were times the defense looked good but when Qbs were throwing for over 300 yards, the DBs will have a tough time covering even the slowest recievers in the league.Consisent pass rush will help the Backs.
I do argree that a cover DB is needed , but not at the expense of trading one or both Picks.
Here are my choices for the 1st and 2nd draft picks, positions only, too early for names,
1.- OL
1A. – DB
2. – RB, DE or OL
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 10, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Reply fail?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I wish people would quit saying “remove” any stats and all these “if’s”. Facts are they got them… The Sack Leader Vikings had games where they racked up the sacks also. There were also games where they didn’t get many if any at all. We finished 4 Sacks behind them.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Pass Rush
is the least of our worries.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
yup
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 10, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
If it's the least of our worries,
then you need to read the other stats.
21st in pass defense
3963 yard given up
436 yard less than Detroit (27.25 yds. per game )
even the Rams did better
So Let me put it another way, if you cann’t pressure the QB, Sack are the least of our worries.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 11, 2010 6:02 AM PST up reply actions
How about you quote the other relevant stats?
4th in total points given up via the pass (281)
16th in passing completion
9th in opposing team’s QB rating
11th in INTs
13th in yards per passing attempt
We’re nowhere near as bad a passing defense as you’re implying.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I agree that its not a top 5 need, but its not the least of our worries. TE is the least of our worries.
by hellaninersfan on Feb 11, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
The only thing I was trying to imply
Was that we need a better pass rush to help out the Backs.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 11, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
overall ranking
6th vs. the run
21st vs. the pass
15th overall
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 11, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know what the stats say
but it seems like last year we allowed a lot of completions on third and long that yielded first downs for the opposition
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Feb 11, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
They were also terrible at stopping teams in x and short situations.
They were, however, a great pass defense in the red zone.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 12, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
We were very vulnerable to the long pass
even though we had a fairly good pass coverage in most metrics we were vulnerable to the long passes of 20 yards or more
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
nfl.com stats are not reliable
Danny is going to break down the defense sometime soon.
I suggest you read his article.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 12, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
They're the "official" stats
so whether they’re reliable or not that’s what I use for most things. And yes Florida Danny’s articles are great reading.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
No OL at that pick IMO. There could be an offensive weapon we shouldn't pass up on at that pick.
Yeah I said it, SPiller.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Some teams can protect their QB's and have good O Lines.
That is just the case sometimes. When we meet that team next season (Saints) we will b carved up if we don’t get another safety. We are fine for one more year at CB if we bring back Bly. i think we need to get the best prospect and best combo of speed adn size for the future at corner.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
Yeah.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Don't you trade up to the highest spot you would want to and then pick him yourself?
Some teams may want to have more picks. I think the Chiefs will use berry to get more picks, and the Titans may want him that bad to give up 1,2,3. I have said a lot of times trade up to 5, but that is too much. If he falls to the Browns I’d be all over him though.
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
only one i would trade both first
draft pick would be Suh
for berry maybe the 16 or 17 with the 2nr
16 with 3rd and 5th
by fysical_panda on Feb 11, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Berry is better than Suh.
The only reason he’s not going No.1 overall is because he plays Safety.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 12, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Thats for a reason
Have you seen suh play? He stops the run himself if he doesnt sack the quarterback or is disruptin the pass by puttin pressure on the QB. Hes incredible and fun to watch for a DT. Berry is gonna be great but hes only in play if the ball gets thrown his way when Suh can turn offenses around by himself.
by fysical_panda on Feb 13, 2010 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
Have you seen Berry play?
Lets get away from the whole “have you seen XXX play?” arguments dude.
You’re badly undervaluing Berry.
He plays SS so he’s closer to the LOS. He’s a beast against the run, he’s great (and physical) in pass coverage and his INT return skills are on par with Ed Reed’s.
To say Berry can only make an impact on passing downs is ridiculous.
I know Suh is a very good player but he’s no “phenom” (like Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
no phenom?
Suh is more than a phenom. i have never seen a DE dominate like he does. Now im not underestimating Berry i think he will be a pro bowler by his second season however he is safety and he helps on the run wen the runner gets passed the LBs. if the ball isnt thrown his way he isnt much of a help. If you ask any pro scout and they will tell you they dont like to waste a top 5 pick on a safety .. however Berry is a special type player and i expect him to go fifth even though hes the second best player in the draft.
by fysical_panda on Feb 14, 2010 5:43 AM PST up reply actions
He's at DT
You haven’t seen a DT dominate like Suh?
I guess you’ve never heard of Warren Sapp?
Suh is nowhere near “phenom” level.
He has elite strength and great technique but he’s not exactly a freak of nature.
Have you asked any pro scout what they think of Berry?
All the “scouting reports” heave praise on this kid.
Berry is capable of making a play on every single down.
He is a force against the run and his coverage skills are CB-like.
He’s not the second best player in the draft, based on talent alone he’s No.1
Of course, positional value has to be factored in, so Berry falls.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
LT was an LB
I can understand the Reggie comparison but not the LT comparison. Also what did Berry contribute in the Bowl game he played? I think they got beat considerably and by a large number of points. Just pointing out that all these players have their nicks and foibles.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I mentioned LT
Because he was considered a freak when he came out.
Reggie was too.
Suh isn’t one of those players.
Berry, on the other hand, compares to Ed Reed (arguably the best safety in the NFL), but better against the run.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
draft??
the 49ers need a return man and there lies there man in CJ Spiller (rb/wr/kr/pr) all in one with very good speed. the 49ers should draft Cambell or Okrug, the OG from Idaho Latupi and then go for another OT or OG in the second round unless they find a great corner or safety!!!!
Well...
At least you didn’t use all CAPS.
Good job.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
lol
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
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