Santa Clara City Council considers various 49ers stadium impact issues
by David Fucillo on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 AM PST
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PrintAs election day in June approaches (less than 3 months away), the Santa Clara City Council is in the midst of providing a variety of approvals related to the 49ers potential stadium. In this particular instance, they were dealing with some of the impacts a new stadium would have on the surrounding neighborhood:
The council considered hundreds of pages of recommendations to resolve "significant impacts" from building and operating a 68,500-seat stadium adjacent to Great America theme park. The so-called "mitigation" plan was drafted to address the inevitable fallout from football games and other events, such as concerts, that would draw tens of thousands of people and cars into Santa Clara's entertainment district.
This "plan" was approved by a vote of 5-2. The biggest issues at this point appear to be a traffic management plan and the issue of a shortage of parking spaces. When a sporting venue goes up, parking and traffic are certainly two of the biggest concerns. There is the noise issue as well, but I don't see how you really can resolve that at this point. And given that there's an amusement park there already, I don't think the noise complain is exactly the biggest concern at the moment.
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If the team improves the way they look like they will
That noise problem might get a little louder on game day :-) Maybe those Thrill Rides are pretty loud, but nothing compared to the “Thrill Ride” the Niners might provide in a year or 2 when they get it together and start wining on a regular basis. I bet an NFC Playoff game would be louder than people screaming on the Top Flight Ride! Not that I approve of the move to Santa Clara (it’s just another 35-40 minute drive more for me from Sacramento…) Since the SanFran citizens can not agree on anything anymore besides knuckling under to every possible liberal cause and bankrupting the city coffers to make sure that those who still do work have to support the growing majority that dont. I guess that is just how it is in San Fran-Fiasco! I guess we all have to drive to a different city that wants a winner and is willing to build a permanent structure that can be used by all and is a revenue generating structure that brings business and tax money in like crazy! I tell you, If the Stadium had been a homeless shelter or a place to give away free money to non citizens, Or another administration building to house the ever increasing Federal/State/City/or Local Government that continues to grow out of control, it would have been built already out of solid gold bricks! Ahead of time and way over budget! Without even one vote or voice raised against it. THAT is the way it is in San Fran-Fiasco. Very sad indeed.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
More special treatment for the 49ers - that's all.
There is NO “traffic management plan.”
The EIR for a subsidized NFL stadium ran to over 4400 pages – and last night, the Santa Clara City Council admitted, in another 163 pages, that it had NO plan for mitigating any of the traffic jams caused by 20,000 cars on any NFL game day…
…other than to drop 160 traffic officers right in the middle of that mess – and pray.
Two roads will be CLOSED, and up to thirty police checkpoints will be set up all over the north side of our city. Last I looked: Not a single road gets closed at Candlestick – and certainly no road closures are planned at Hunters Point.
But the real “sweetheart deal”: Giving the 49ers the exemption they need to “plop” a 14-acre stadium on 17 acres, with almost NO stadium parking on-site.
On top of it all: They’re still demanding that Santa Clarans blow $114,000,000 upfront and raise $330,000,000 more for the 49ers.
It’s still a bad deal for the City of Santa Clara, and it benefits only the 49ers.
It certainly doesn’t do a thing for the fans.
Regards,
Bill Bailey, Treasurer,
SantaClaraPlaysFair.org
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by Santa Clara Plays Fair on Mar 10, 2010 1:02 PM PST reply actions
Are you really Bill Bailey?
Shouldn’t you be doing your job instead of arguing with 49er fans?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Try staying on point.
Shouldn’t the 49ers be paying for their own stadium instead of taking a public subsidy from Santa Clarans?
Regards,
Bill Bailey, Treasurer,
SantaClaraPlaysFair.org
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by Santa Clara Plays Fair on Mar 10, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
:juice:
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Um...Was the question too hard?
Shouldn’t the 49ers be paying for their own stadium instead of taking a public subsidy from Santa Clarans?
Regards,
Bill Bailey, Treasurer,
SantaClaraPlaysFair.org
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by Santa Clara Plays Fair on Mar 10, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
I don't care for your points
I just wanted to know if you really were Santa Clara’s treasurer.
He can’t apprehend you for using his name on the internet?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Whzat?
There’s a response in there somewhere, but I can’t tell what it is.
You were going to go back to the City of Santa Clara’s own reports, do the numbers, and prove to us all why a stadium subsidized with our public money generates a profit.
Weren’t you?
Regards,
Bill Bailey, Treasurer,
SantaClaraPlaysFair.org
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by Santa Clara Plays Fair on Mar 10, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
The 49ers ARE paying for their own stadium(at least around 800 million of it any way !!!).
Isn’t it true that after the City of SC ONLY pays about 114 million (that doesn’t raise taxes on any voter and doesn’t even come out of the general fund,but is payed off by Hotel taxes etc ) that the City of SC will actually own the stadium? That is the greatest deal for any City in history !
But then I guess there are always a few crybaby whiners who don’t ever want progress. You are probably against any Wal Mart in town too and probably are fool enough to actually believe the global warming myth,lol.
VOTE YES on the stadium issue !!!
Completely FALSE....
The 49ers are NOT paying for their own stadium.
The City of Santa Clara is paying $114M upfront in public funds, and they’re forming a joint-powers authority to raise another $330M for the 49ers.
The Team and the NFL are contributing $493M. Period. They contribute not one penny to the Stadium Authority, so I wouldn’t even try putting that claim down here.
The General Fund is ripped off by $67,000,000. That’s caused by running the RDA into the ground with stadium debt.
You really need to read the City’s own Agenda Reports before you sound off. All of that is here:
http://santaclaraca.gov/index.aspx?page=1197
I’d say you’ve got a little work ahead of you. The stadium’s a ripoff of Santa Clara – and it will NEVER pay.
Nice try, though.
Regards,
Bill Bailey, Treasurer,
SantaClaraPlaysFair.org
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by Santa Clara Plays Fair on Mar 10, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't have a stake in this..
Being that I will probably never be a Santa Clara resident (I’m a San Francisco guy), but if I had a chance to educate someone on a subject I was against or for, I would do it with a little more civility than you are presenting here. 49er fans aren’t stupid. I’m not saying you’re being arrogant here, because your passion is welcome. I was glad you chimed in when I posted my thoughts on the Stadium issue. But now it looks like you’re screaming from a soapbox, and that will only help people who have a stake in this go to the other side from where you stand.
It’s good that you present the other side to the coin. Just remember you’re dealing with fans here, and if you dismiss them, then your message isn’t any different than the people who you oppose.
Just sayin’.
Well, we're waiting....
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Problem is when it comes to internet debate civility tends to get tossed out the window
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
+2....NOW they're talking about 'civility'...Gotta love that.
If Drummer means more civility than Bignerd, Chikmagnet and TIMblank have managed on these threads, you might be onto something.
Unfortunately, you’ve made it pretty clear that you yourselves don’t even believe that – and that you wouldn’t allow yourselves to get confused by the facts, regardless of how they were packaged or expressed.
Note my willingness to link to the City of Santa Clara’s own consultants’ data proving what a loser the $444M subsidy is for Santa Clara – citations that not one single 49ers fan has been able to use in support of the stadium subsidy.
If you want to speak of a one-billion-dollar stadium in my city which you expect me to help pay for: You owe it to everyone here to at least get better-informed on the actual facts of the case – and to leave aside the propaganda you’ve been fed by the 49ers front office.
TIMblank was wrong. All the bluster in the world ain’t gonna change that.
Regards,
Bill Bailey, Treasurer,
SantaClaraPlaysFair.org
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by Santa Clara Plays Fair on Mar 11, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
So...are we ready?
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So…You can take the Agenda Reports from the City of Santa Clara, and you can prove that making our city subsidize your stadium is a “good” deal?
Regards,
Bill Bailey, Treasurer,
SantaClaraPlaysFair.org
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by Santa Clara Plays Fair on Mar 11, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
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