Mel Kiper and Todd McShay mock drafts 3.0
Earlier yesterday, ESPN put together the third version of Mel Kiper's and Todd McShay's mock drafts in a side-by-side post for comparison. I know some details have floated around in the mock draft FanPosts, but I thought I'd post them here with some of the comments Kiper and McShay had on the picks. I'll be in transit much of the day so smileyman, Josh Branco, Drew K ,and the rest of the staff will continue to have breaking news for you. Thanks to them for keeping the site operating in my absence.
Pick #13
Mel Kiper: Joe Haden, CB, Florida
A less-than-great 40 showing in Indy was the first chink in the armor for Haden, but he's still clearly the top cornerback in the draft if you watch the film. If San Francisco opts to let Nate Clements go, Haden would be the perfect pick. Even if it doesn't, Haden has great value.
Todd McShay: Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
San Francisco's greatest need is at right tackle, so taking Williams would make sense in terms of both value and need. Williams has the physical tools and toughness to push for immediate playing time on the right side and quickly develop into an effective starter.
Trent Williams appears to be a touch-and-go candidate for the 49ers. Some folks really like him, others think he's a bust waiting to happen. There doesn't seem to be much in between there. KC Joyner over at ESPN Insider is convinced he'll be a bust:
The Football Scientist lab result: Had I not known before watching video of Williams that he was considered a first-round prospect in many circles, it wouldn't have occurred to me to even consider ranking him that high. He might go in the first round because he is a left tackle, but the metrics say he will be a mediocre pro player, and that stamps him with the TFS overhyped label.
I'm sure there are plenty of you that agree with KC. For both sides, what sticks out to you about Trent Williams?
After the jump we look at the #17 pick and some other potential ideas...
Pick #17
Mel Kiper: Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
Iupati isn't a tackle, but he is the most dominant offensive lineman in the draft class and could be the Steve Hutchinson of this draft. That he could go this high as a guard is indicative of his talent. A former defensive player, Iupati can immediately improve the run game and plays with a mean streak.
Todd McShay: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE/OLB, South Florida
San Francisco is looking to upgrade an inconsistent pass rush that didn't perform as well as statistics suggest last season. Pierre-Paul is a risky pick because of his lack of experience at the FBS level, but he has rare upside, and 49ers head coach Mike Singletary is the kind of motivator who can help Pierre-Paul reach his potential.
One thing I have noticed is that Rutgers offensive tackle Anthony Davis is plummeting in draft boards to late in the first round. Both Kiper and McShay have the 49ers grabbing an offensive lineman. If Davis is in fact plummeting, do the 49ers potentially roll the dice and trade down to acquire additional picks (either 2010 or 2011) and try to get Davis at the back end of the first round?
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He might go in the first round because he is a left tackle
He may have played LT in his senior season, but he was RT the season before that. Also, all signs point to Williams being a RT at the NFL level, not LT. Williams already has the experience of switching swides, and that will benefit him when moving back to RT in the pros.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 7:40 AM PST reply actions
Williams
except that he is no bueno… I painfully had to watch him for 3 years as a die-hard Sooners fan. And I think the reason Davis is dropping is because teams are realizing his lack of agility and bust potential. Don’t want Davis and REALLY don’t want to have to painfully watch Williams anymore on a team I route for. I’d rather just have Snyder stay put if we’re going to draft either of them.
What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
I don't get it
Why is Davis plummeting on draft boards? His combine wasn’t terrible, numbers-wise (not great either) and he’s only 20. If Trent Williams is a bust waiting to happen and Davis is no better, I’m thinking more and more that the Niners won’t take an OT in the 1st.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
I don't know if Davis is dropping
but not doing any events at your team’s pro-day, after a less than impressive combine is strange. Davis decided against doing any activities during Rutgers pro day, after putting up just 21 reps at the combine. The guy is massive, but he’ll have to rely on practice and training a lot more now that he’s heading into the NFL. This guy was 340 pounds as a freshman, he’s largely relied on natural strength and size up until this point.
He needs to show better work ethic and determination if he wants to make an impact in the NFL.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
I still like Davis
I think draftniks over think it. The news before the combine was that a lot of teams were going to be very hesitant to adjust their boards based on what they saw there. Most of the movement this late is due to interviews/character, not 40’s or bench reps.
by microwave donut on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Davis is possibly the 5th best OT in the draft class. I don’t think the 5th best OT will be BPA at 13, or 17. Trent Williams, CJ Spiller, or Joe Haden would likely be BPA at 13.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Matt McGuire from walterfootball wrote a post on it today
http://www.walterfootball.com/mattblog100311.php
I know Drew K doesn’t like that site, but I actually don’t mind it. There is a lot on it that is wrong, but if you want an answer to your question, thats it. If he can’t be expected to shape up for his pro day, what can be expected of him?
by hellaninersfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
there was an SI article (I think) that said scouts questioned Davis’ desire. What would Davis do if he was staring Hamstring Hill in the face?
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
His numbers weren't terrible
but I guarantee you he blew the kick slide drill like he was a 5 dollar street walker. His kick slide sucks and scouts know it now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 11, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Haden and Lupati would be... meh.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I would absolutely LOVE those two picks.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Mar 11, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Glad you are speaking for yourself, I would loathe those picks.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I don't get why so many people are down on Haden
He didn’t have the fastest 40 yard time, but football isn’t played in a straight line. If it were, DHB would have been the best rookie WR last and we all saw how that turned out. Haden’s not my first pick, but he’d definately upgrade the 49ers secondary. I know I’m in the minority, but I’d be fine if those were the 2 players the 49ers got in the first round.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
by urnext on Mar 11, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing to do with the 40 time
I haven’t wanted Haden since we first started talking about the draft. I think he’s got horrible run support and that his pass coverage skils are suspect.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Nothing to do with his 40.
Cornerback is not a first round need. no CB would be BPA or address a NEED in the 1st round.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
If everyone agreed, the world would be a boring place
But I’m not sure how you can say no CB would be BPA or adress a NEED in the 1st round and at the same time be so high on Berry. Or are you just talking about this draft? Either way, CB is a lot more important position to fill than safety. That’s why top CB will always make more than top safetys.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
LOL
CB is not a 1st round need on our roster, safety is a higher need, especially one who is better at coverage than any corner in the draft. Of course I am talking about this draft, what is the title of the thread? It sure as hell isn’t about 2011. Top CB’s get paid more than safeties because they posess superior man coverage skills and Haden is far from that guy. The highest paid corners can just about cover any WR in the league. It’s not often you have a safety that can. But if you look at the Steelers and Ravens their safetys matter more to their defense than the corners. And their safetys make more money.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
No one has made that argument yet but it’s true. The 49ers play a lot of shell coverage aiding their CB’s but they leave their safeties exposed to one-on-one coverage with run support responsibility on 1st and 2nd down.
Which argument?
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert
I’ve watched a lot more of the combine and NCAA football than your average fan, but I’m not an expert which is why I have a different job. But apperently you are an expert because you seem to know more than everyone else. I’m not going to go back and forth because it would be a waste of time. I was simply giving my impresion based on everything I’ve read and seen. But I’ll bow to your superior knowledge on the subject.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
sarcasm noted.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
So why didn't DHB tear it up last year?
I’m sure he was faster than most of the CB he went up against. And it’s not all the QBs fault. Nine different Raiders had more receptions than DHB who only had 9.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Horrible in them.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I disagree
I didn’t watch it, but everything I read said he excelled at everything but the 40. And if DHB isn’t a WR, why did he have a WR on his chest in the combine. But that only proves my point. It takes more than straight speed to be a great football player.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Haden's performance at the combine was mediocre
Almost the slowest CB there in the 40 at 4.57.
One of the shortest vertical jumps at the combine at 35" (best was 44")
Middle of the pack on the broad jump at 10’5" (best was 11’}
Middle to bottom of the pack on the 3 cone drill at 6.94 (best was 6.66)
Made top performer list in the bench press with 18 (best was 25)
His 20 yard shuttle time of 4.60 was one of the slowest of all CBs
Took 3rd in the 60 yard shuttle with a time of 11.12
Basically he tanked some of the more important drills and was average in some of the others. He certainly didn’t seal his spot as the best CB in the draft.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Great, so he tanked at the combine
The last time I looked, you don’t do a 3 cone drill on the field during the game. Rice didn’t have great measurables, but then again you don’t play with measurables. Haden might not be the fastest CB in the draft but knows how to play. I believe that football IQ is more important than overall speed (Look at the Raiders)
Basically he tanked some of the more important drills and was average in some of the others. He certainly didn’t seal his spot as the best CB in the draft.
A lot of smart people believe that he is the best CB in the draft, not by his combine results, but from watching film.
by ericalancanty on Mar 16, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
3rd best CB does not equal best CB
which is what I was arguing against him being and which I’ve argued against for months now.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
true, but he was good playing football
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Who's DHB's QB?
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Doesn't matter who his QB was
He was 10th on the team in receptions so at least a few WR’s who were slower, were still making catches.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
You're asking about a WR when we are talking CB's. CB's need speed more than WR's.
Look at the best cover corners and the best WR’s and there is more speed needed for corners. The most productive WR’s are slow in straiht line speed (except A Johnson).
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Guard is just as important in this draft as right tackle is. The 49ers run game was pathetic, except Gore is so good, that he covers the ‘stick factor’ up a little bit… He had games where he broke loose for huge gains… which was all him. If you take those large gains out, his average per rush isn’t great.
Cornerback is also a huge area of need… as is safety. Maybe they can move Clements over to safety. If so, I REALLY like Mel Kiper’s picks. When you’re a team building for the future, and have a few positions of need, it’s smarter to take the best player available in the 1st round… because you’ll hopefully avoid the “bust” status that way… I mean, would you rather have the best cornerback in the draft, or the 4th or 5th best Tackle? There are so many more decent tackles that can be picked up in the 2nd and 3td round that aren’t that far behind in terms of quality, when compared to some of the late 1st round guys.
That being said, it would probably be smart to trade down and obtain multiple picks, just like they did last year, if they feel that they aren’t getting a quality player. No matter what, this team is going to have to find some sort of value pick later in the draft. Like I said, they need Right tackle, guard, safety, cornerback, defensive end and an outside pass rushing linebacker. That’s most of your draft right there.
I agree
Guard is just as important as Tackle in this draft.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think it's a coincidence that Gore's best year was in 2006
Justin Smiley was healthy and Larry Allen was the Guard. If the 49ers drafted Iupati, Gore’s numbers would go way up.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Gore also had over 300 carries that year
In 2006 he had 312 carries
In 2007 it was 260
In 2008 it was 240
In 2009 it was 229
We want to keep his attempts per year to 275 or less. If he does more than that he’ll burn out quickly and won’t be around in 3 or 4 years. Keep him to 275 or less and he can play at a high level for another 6 years.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
That is another reason why I like Spiller
Besides helping the KR/PR need he would be a great combo back with Gore. Give the 49ers’ offense more options
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
It was more than that
He averaged 5.4 yards per carry in 2006. His second best average ever was last year when he averaged 4.9 yards per carry. That’s 1/2 yard more per carry over his second best year and over a yard more per carry than what he averaged in 2007 and 2008. However, I do agree that they need to keep his carries down if they want to maximize the number of years he has left in him. Like Eastbayjim, I also think that would be a good reason to draft Spiller.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
In regards to the number of carries
CHFF had a good article were they figured 2800 touches was the point that RB’s start declining in production. Between receptions and runs, Gore has touched the ball 1392 times, so he’s just under the halfway point. If they can keep his carries and receptions under 300 every year, he should still have 5 great years left in him before his numbers started dropping.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
I don't know if it's the total number of carries
or the number of carries per year that are the determining factor. I’m kind of poking around with some research on this but I’m not sure if I want to take the task on. I can say that a quick glance at RBs past and present seems to show that 275+ carries means a very short career.
Chris Johnson will be done with the NFL in 4-5 years—he had 358 carries this year and 251 last.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
4-5 years and done? i don't think you can place every RB in that category based on those averages.
It all depends on what type of hits he is taking and how he protects his legs during the process. Remember shorter RB’s last longer for a reason.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
358 carries a season is insane
That’s what will wear him down
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
He's putting the ball on the ground more.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
It isn't I was just stating the facts. He did give away the Seattle game.
Just pointing out he isn’t perfect and Guards are not as important as tackles, that is ridiculous. Maybe in the run game, butnot both.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Personally, I think we should bank on no more than two more years of Gore
being really productive. I think we will be lucky if we get two more years out of Gore at his previous levels. After that, we’re taking our chances.
I don’t want Spiller though, even at 17
They're called RUNS for a reason.
If we keep Gore to 250 carries a season or less
he’ll have an easy 4 years left in him. i
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
You can't use those averages and try to figure years left. I think age is a bigger tool in the area.
And with Gore’s injuries I wouldn’t bank more than one season. if we are not set after this year on his replacement, we need to address that, mainly because he can (like anyone and maybe more prone) can go out for the year in camp.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Maybe not.
“Gore is so good, that he covers the ‘stick factor’ up a little bit… He had games where he broke loose for huge gains… which was all him.” Not really!
Gore is great, but sometimes gets a little too much credit.
Watched the film. It was not “all him.” The holes were open through the line. Gore bounced off a couple of DBs, but even in the secondary he was getting some good blocks.
I cannot agree with the guard is as important, our guard play was a lot better at the end of the season.
Gore did not break those runs on his own, the blocking set those up and you should review the tape for that easy assessment.
We didn’t trade down for multiple picks last year, we traded out of the draft for future picks. 2nd round picks are gonna be of more value for Tackles and Guards because of where the position is.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I don't like either
I wouldn’t mind either of the two linemen mentioned above as that is our biggest need, but I don’t like either Haden or Pierre-Paul. First of all in terms of the secondary we are better suited at CB than Safety. I would rather us roll the dice on Mays or Thomas.
And I would be extremely disappointed if we took a ‘front 7’ player in the first round. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought in a 3-4 scheme it was designed that the outside linebacker got more sacks then the defensive end. With Brooks really coming along towards the end of last season I believe that we are really going to get the sack total up this year.
I know this wouldn’t count as a ‘sexy’ first round but I wouldn’t be upset if the 49ers took Iupati and a tackle. At least then we would have one of the best and youngest lines in the NFL.
JPP...
would be playing OLB for the Niners, not DE. Much like any of the pass rushers that are projected throughout the draft. DE’s generally move to OLB when going to the 3-4 unless they are really large and powerful DE’s.
by 9thevolution on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
If San Francisco opts to let Nate Clements go…
What? Has the possible release of Nate Clements even been rumored by anyone other than crazy fans?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Yeah, where did THAT come from?
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 8:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Kiper seems a little crazy for basing his choice for 49ers first first-round draft pick on a roster decision that he’s speculating might happen even though there’s no indication that it’s so much as a possibility.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
he is approaching
the back end of the contract that he signed. Soon, it won’t be worth keeping him around, but Nate Clements will likely be a 49er in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Well, all I’m saying is that I haven’t heard of anybody who is close to the team say anything about Clements other than the expectation that he will be here. And I don’t see how Kiper takes that and says, “the 49ers will draft a cornerback with the most important pick of their entire draft because of the impending release of Clements that I just made up right now”. It seems like a bit of a joke to me.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
No Cap in 2010
That means they’ll pay Clements’ salary for this year and determine whether or not it’ll be worthwhile to keep him in 2011. He’ll also be a starter at CB for this year.
Honestly, Haden isn’t the best CB available, and if the Niners are going to grab a CB, I’d rather see them reach at #17 and grab McCourty or Robinson. Leave #13 for BPA no matter what. They can get a starting RT in round 2.
by 9thevolution on Mar 11, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
He is the best all around
despite his poor 40 time at the combine. He is not the best cover corner. He will be an Eric Davis/Nate Clements type, hard tackling, strong run-support corner
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 11, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Although I really like McCourty. He could even help in the return game. But if the 49ers are going to draft McCourty they should trade down to around 25 and get an extra pick or two.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Trade down..
It would be wise to trade down to grab one of the other CB’s, but they might not be there. The Falcons and Steelers need secondary help, as well as the Texans. CB might be a the position to go on a run in the middle/end of the 1st round.
by 9thevolution on Mar 12, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
His run support
is below average at best. He gets run over easily and that would happen at a consistent level.
by 9thevolution on Mar 12, 2010 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
Kyle Wilson
Best all-around CB in the draft IMO in terms of coverage and KR/PR. I would be more than happy to pick him up in the 1st.
this
I would gladly take him at either pick, I think there is much less risk taking him than any other DB with the exception of Berry
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
Yall people
Kill me its like everbody is surprised that a analyst from ‘’ ESPN ’’’ is basically starting a rumor .Thats what they do if its not any news they make the news now don’t get me wrong they are credible on alot of things but they also throw BS on the wall and se if it sticks ,and when you are ‘’ THE BIGGEST ’’ sports network on the block its easy 4 people 2 influence other fans ,and franchises. Ive been watching the for 20 something years and they will throw BS out there and the next thing you know its flooding the internet espicially if its bad news they will run it so many times in rotation that the commisioner will have 2 act. Thats why you have to take some of that with a grain of salt i’m not calling them the ‘’ national enquirer ’’ of sports networks but they do throw some off the wall BS and see if it sticks.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 11, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ive been watching the for 20 something years
How long have you been using the internet?
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
How long have you been studying grammar?
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Mar 11, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think it would be such a bad idea...
Considering he’s making 8 million a year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 11, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
No cap...
They can afford it this year, so they’ll leave him on the team. He still pretty much shuts down Fitzgerald, so it’s good to keep him around. If he doesn’t play at a pro bowl level this year, they renegotiate or cut him.
by 9thevolution on Mar 12, 2010 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
Multiple picks
someone said we should trade down and get multiple picks..? we already have multiple picks.. 5 in the first 4 rounds to be exact.
I would not go after a tackle in the first round unless he is the guy from Oklahoma State(forget his name) i like Kypers pick of Joe Haden From Florida. so what if his 40 time wasnt the best, he can improve on that at his pro day. also, if you watch film of florida that guy jumps out at you all the time. For our #17 pick i like any of the 3 safeties (Berry,Mays and the kid from Texas) or the OLB/DE from michigan Brandon Graham( he is a BEAST)
2nd round i would go OL then in the 3rd go Speedy RB/WR so we can have a legit return man.
2 defensive backs in the 1st round eh?
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 8:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like Thomas better than Haden
I would take Berry in a second if he somehow slips (yeah right) and consider drafting Thomas. The other DB’s I’m over in the first though.
by microwave donut on Mar 11, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Thomas would be my choice too
Mainly for his ball hawking skills. I don’t think it was a fluke that he had 8 INT’s in his last year at Texas and two were pick-6’s. But if we chose to go with the non-sexy choice like picking up a couple of OL’s, that wouldn’t bother me because there are other DB’s lurking in the lower rounds that provide just as much or more all-around value (Reshad Jones, Owusu-Ansah, maybe even Thurmond). BTW, not too many people know much about Thurmond because he was hurt just about all of last year, but if anyone can find some highlight video of him, the guy is mean!
Thurmond...
would be a nice pickup if he slides a little. I would say that our secondary can be completely addressed in rounds 3 and 4. Reshad Jones in the third, and Thurmond in the fourth or lower if he really slides. Thurmond can do punt and kick returns for now, but he really doesn’t have a ton of speed on game film. We’d need to get someone else beyond him for KR/PR duties.
I’d see him being much similar to Spencer at CB after a few years though.
by 9thevolution on Mar 12, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
I have watched film on Haden and the better WR's he faced torched him. So considering that we face Housh, Fitz and other up and coming WR's that are not rookies, I would imagine they will toast him as well.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
He is alot better when he can be physical and jam
He seems to have problems when he’s in zone
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 11, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I watched him shadow LaFell and he was abused, he was not playing zone, zone may help this kid, he is so overrated.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
True, hence me thinking he is overrated. Zone in a cover 3 is all that would help him, as long as the WR is running str8 line.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Bust Factor
3 of the big name lineman have been labeled as potential busts (Williams from OU. Davis from Rutgers and the freak lineman from Maryland who looks like VD at tackle)
its obvious we need lineman but i think there is enough OL depth in this draft to take one in the 2nd round. First round should be used to pick up Talent. What if Dez Bryant falls to us at 13 or 17? can you say Boldin but with more speed. I know that he is not a pure deep threat that we are lacking but i think his talent is too much to pass up. Also if Eric Berry falls to us at 13 we need to grab him. a Goldson/Berry safety combo would be sweet at safety!
I heard bad stuff about Bryant
Misses a lot of team meetings, always late, even for games.
by microwave donut on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
WR in the 1st round is by far the most bustable position
I’ll have to dig out my spreadsheet but off the top of my head it’s something like 80% of all WRs drafted in the 1st round end up being busts.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
yeah I’d rather they reach for a DE or corner than draft a WR.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I'd rather they trade up for the most bust safe pick in the draft and acquire an additional 2nd and maybe 4th.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I wouldn't
Touch any player that has a personal relationship with deion sanders let alone the same agent he got into crabtree head and made him feel like he had 2 break the bank 2 sign with us.And if that wasn’t enough he came (deion) on NFL network and said the jets were willing 2 give crabtree the money he was asking 4 i’m not putting everything on deion but sometimes his swagger rubs off 2 much on these colle players and thats a heavy influence if you are a college kid and i think thats a problem the niners want 2 avoid.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 11, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
2nd round OL
Charles Brown? He’s a little small, but if Solari does more of a zone blocking scheme (which is kind or what we’re doing now. Thanks for showing that yesterday Smileyman.) He might fit in rather well. He’s got pretty good technique.
Guard is absolutely the safest pick to draft in the first round
Better than any other position.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
You may be right, but it is pretty much a reach.
However some prospects, like Crabtree, are just too good to say they won’t make it. I knew Willis would not be a bust. I knew D Jack had it, when it came to ST’s. Some players you can see “IT” in them and some you can’t, but we don’t look through the same eyes.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
With draft choices the numbers don't tell the whole story
I’m with you on that one, but if you pick one of those positions you’d better be absolutely, 100% sure he’s got it. If there are any lingering doubts move on.
Dez Bryant is one of those guys with lots of lingering doubts—he’ll be a big bust I think. Iupati doesn’t have any doubts at LG. If you try to force him over to RT then there are doubts.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Hey smiles do you think the niners
would go after sharper from the saints i know hes kind of up there in age but it looks like him and the saints have’nt been close 2 making a deal.We could still draft a safety and he could mentor him 4 the next 2 years what you think???
I am totally in favor of that
My only concern would be at what price? Sharper had what could be considered a career year last season. At this point in his career it’s not easy to say he’ll stay consistent. But I’m into the mentoring thing, especially if we can get someone relatively cheap in the draft, i.e. Reshad Jones.
by Mangoman on Mar 11, 2010 7:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not gonna disagree on Bryant, I just think his impact will come with work ethic.
If he is heartless and dumb he can bust, but he can also be a superstar.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Brown
He’s a LT and not big enough to play RT. We need someone big and nasty to clear space for Gore and whoever else we have running the ball. Don’t like Brown unless it’s for depth at LT.
by 9thevolution on Mar 12, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions
I don't really like any of these picks
Iupati will be a good guard I think, but I don’t know that you get anywhere drafting guards in the top 20.
by microwave donut on Mar 11, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions
Williams is supposed to be a legit run blocker...
exactly what we need out of the RT. He wasn’t great in pass pro, so he’s not a top-10 LT. Take him and Iupati, and the line is set. I’d also take Davis or Campbell. Let’s not overthink the “value” at #13 vs. #17, or trading down 5 spots in order to add a 5th rounder. If we can add a 2nd or 3rd, then yeah, trade down and get the same player, but really, we need a RT and LG, and everything else will only yield a marginal improvement. The only reason not to go RT at 13 is that the top 4/5 got picked, and there’s a stud defender who fell (Morgan, perhaps?)… assuming we dont’ get Bushrod in FA
What is mcshay
Talking about incosistent line the only thing that was incosistent was that we were consistently kicking other teams @ss. If aything wasn’t consistent it was our offense and why would we go after hayden we have a high priced CB who’s incosistent at times so now we get another one .And what are we a desperate franchise kiper predicts who we should go after ‘’ but ’’ everybody and there moma thinks he’ll be a bust but here 49ers waist a pick WTF kind of BS is that .Its like we are a starving mutt who would be happy with any kind of scraps even if those scraps might hurt or kill you in the end.That’s exactly why i don’t put any weight into ‘’ESPN ’’ around this time i would rather deal with mayock all of the analyst swing of east coast teams all day long if it aint philly,dallas,new england ,or indy can,t forget jets and the giants yea i know they all aren’t east coast teams but thats who they swing on so scrap whatever ’ puff daddy ‘and ’’ boy wonder ’’ has 2 say .
My impression
Mayock just calls it like he sees it. He doesn’t give me the impression of being a high profile wannabe GM like Kiper.
Spiller & lupati...
The safest and most productive picks in my opinion. Make it happen Scott!
Safest, maybe, most productive, I can't say.
Most bust proof, Iupati, I think he can be an all pro at guard. SPiller, you never no, one injury can ruin the speed and then what is he?
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Niners 4 life
All these ots are gonna b bust…..We need the kid from michigan BRANDON GRAHAM….hes gonna b a stud…he dawgd everyone of these dumptruck tackles at the senior bowl especially BULAGA……him and the cb wilson would b ideal….then we pick up Best n the 2nd…and in the 3rd best lineman available…..and 4 all u CLEMENT haters he had one bad game and that was against roddy white…..he absolutely shuts down and has the most success against LARRY FITZGERALD……and in the 4th lets get that 6’7monster de from northwestern WOOTEN……hed fit good in the 3/4 defense as an end….Go 49ers
I'm totally
With grabbing brandon graham i feel like he is getting no love and i think he’s going 2 be a studd another person who i feel is going 2 be a studd is okindo from texas spikes is another person i like 2.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 11, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Leave it to jonna
To reply to a guy with terrible grammar..
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by mountaindew77 on Mar 11, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
wootton is an early 2nd round pick. Okindo is a freak hybrid of brian orakpo and sergio kindle, who are both also hybrids and freaks in and of themselves.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Lol that was wrong
Ive read articles on here that had a spelling that was’nt correct its not as blatant as some of the comments but hey i write comments and later look where i have mis-spelled something but my keys stick i’m not perect.But lie is hard enough so 4 me its always been ‘’ don’t sweat the small sh!@t ‘’. so give a person a break and if it is 2 the point where you can’t read or understand what there writing its a way 2 go about it .For a game i love thats all about being physical why cry about words and spelling me personally i’ll leave that 2 my wife 2 complain about but hey i don’t know you may be a wife ?
by jayjonna415 on Mar 11, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Not to push the point too hard...
But try to watch the s-bomb hiding. It might be hidden behind a curtain of punctuation, but just like the Wizard of Oz, it’s still there.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
personally
I just imagine that you’re Rickey Henderson or Jonez from A Confederacy Of Dunces, so I figure your opinion’s all right. Don’t sweat the critics.
Were you giving me props or trying 2 rip on me
Because it sounds like you’re trying to rip on me tp , and that ricky henderson jab is old why don’t you go all the way and call me "" a nappy head hoe "" dust off the pilow case you keep in the closet.
not at all
Rickey’s been an idol of mine for a long time. I meant nothing by it…didn’t realize it was a sore spot. My apologies.
None taken but rickey has been know 2 be kind of arrogant he also
likes 2 speak about his self in a third person.Now i don’t know if his grammer was bad but i was being 2 sensitive myself, but i’m a big rickey henderson fan 2 a bigger s.f giants fan but i did like rickey he played hard.
Jonez from A Confederacy of Dunces was the man!
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 12, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Ow.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
He didn't play Bulaga at the Senior Bowl because Bulaga wasn't there
and Bulaga played him in his first game back from what at the time was considered a career threatening condition. Graham is a stud… But now he’s getting OVERrated
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 11, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Bulaga was abused by the best pass rushers in the big ten, I think he is overrated, being heralded as the 2nd best LT, means this T draft class is weak.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Question?
Other than Okung, who’s better than Bulaga? Certainly not Williams, not Davis, not Campbell, not Brown! Who?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 11, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Hence the expression weak tackle class. There are a lot of LT's being talked about and they don't look good to me.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Not impressed
I’m not really impressed by any of these picks except maybe JPP at #17.
Pass rush: If you’re going to get pass rush in the first round, I’d rather it be someone with skills and not just potential. Graham or Morgan are the prime choices based on our draft position and I’d say you shouldn’t take either higher than #17.
OL: The more I look and hear that Williams is a potential bust, I’m not liking the pick. I also don’t like Iupati anywhere higher than #20. Tackle can be resolved in the second round, and guard can be taken care of in the third or later. Lets face it, unless we get someone really nasty at Guard, Baas will be starting this year. And that’s not so bad.
Secondary: I don’t like any of the first round safeties except Berry and it’s unlikely that we land him. I’m thinking Jones or Rolle in the 4th for safety. And for CB, if you’re gonna grab one in the 1st, I’d rather reach for McCourty or Robinson
I really liked Mike Sando's take on Some of the picks
Mainly his take on Trent Williams.
-My pre-combine thoughts: The 49ers would win the draft-day report cards if they emerged with Spiller and Williams, filling two obvious need areas. This might be a little earlier than the 49ers would like to find their next right tackle. They drafted left tackle Joe Staley at No. 28 in 2007. But based on how Staley has performed, the 49ers could have justified drafting him earlier. If Williams is the real deal as a right tackle, he would give the 49ers bookend tackles for years to come.
-My post-combine follow-up: It’s potentially a surprise if Williams lasts this long(#17). The offensive tackles were mostly impressive at the combine. But if Williams is around, the 49ers could do worse. They would address an obvious need with a player at a low-risk position. Even some of the disappointing first-round offensive tackles wind up starting for long periods. For example, the Raiders whiffed on Robert Gallery when they drafted him second overall in 2004, but Gallery has still started 79 games. It’s important for the 49ers to emerge from this draft feeling as though their offensive line is pretty much set, particularly at both tackle spots. This selection would look good on the post-draft report card, with a good chance of holding up over time.
Willams was sketchy the past year at Left Tackle
But the year before he was a solid RT on a very good offensive line. If he pans out as a good RT then i cant see him being anything but a smart pick. Having two bookend tackles who are very young would greatly help Alex Smith, or whatever QB the Niners have for years.
I'll be launching long distance poo bags to Santa Clara if those are the picks.
Haden – Ya, lets draft the slow and over hyped CB because everyone else is smart enough to not pick him.
Williams – The bust factor on him does look strong. Suppose to get a good player with a 1st round pick, not an average.
Pierre-Paul – Is he going to back flip rush the QB? Even if he does develop the team needs an OLB later this season or next year, not 3 years from now.
Iupati – I can live with that pick. I’m confident the 49ers would get a dominate guard from day 1, even if it isn’t a sexy pick.
I bet Haden
still goes before 13. Trent Williams also. Those guys won’t be options for the 49ers at 13. That’s my feeling anyway, and I have better hair than Mel Kiper.
If the Jaguars don’t trade out of the 10 spot, I think they’ll select Haden.
If Rolando McClain is still on board, I’m wondering if a team like Pittsburgh would want to move up from 18 to get him. Pittsburgh’s 1st and 3rd round picks would be worth San Francisco’s 13th overall selection. The Niners would then be sitting with back to back first round picks, and the 82nd selection (R3 from PIT) which could be used to draft a guard like John Jerry.
Additionally, Jared Valheer may be available when the team is on the clock in round 2. If San Francisco takes 2 Gs and 1 OT in round 2 & 3, they can do whatever they like with the 17, 18 selections in round 1.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
If mcclain was around by the 13th pick do you think the niners would grab him even though we have willis??
by jayjonna415 on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I can’t say I’d be totally against it. The front seven would be that much scarier with McClain beside Willis. Spikes is still pretty darn good though, even if it is his last year with the club. If the 49ers take a LB in round one, I’d prefer it to be Brandon Graham at 17.
Ultimately, McClain is a beast, and if the Niners end up drafting him, it’d be hard to get upset about it.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
getting mcclain
is not smart. We shouldn’t draft someone in the first round that is not on the field for three downs. Willis plays third downs. Plus, McClain is a TED and he will be getting paid way too much to just take on blockers. Even though it is an uncapped year, we still need to watch how our money is spent, seeing as how these contracts could affect our cap once the labor agreements are resolved.
Do you think the chromes disease he said he has
Will cause teams 2 back away not out of the first round all-together but out of the top ten?
I don't think so, he made an official announcement at his pro day, but NFL teams were already aware from what I heard.
He ran back to back 40’s and several drills back to back to back, so I wouldn’t put too much stock in it. He has known he has had the disease since his freshman year in highschool and he hasn’t missed a game because of it. tHAT’S IN HIGHSCHOOL OR COLLEGE. cap lock fail. For what he brings he can make Willis better, but I don’t think we are in position to make a move like that. I think the Bills take him.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Im ok with most of those picks
Haden – im okay with. Like ive said before, i dont see him turning into a shutdown corner.. but hes not going to be a complete bust that falls down the depth chart either. Hes going to be a good corner that makes the defense better overall.
Williams – More then okay with. The risk is worth the reward. Two Young Bookend Tackles is something the 49ers havnt had in a looooooooong time. Solidifying that O-line is crucial in improving the consistency of the offense.
Mike lupati – Im on the fence with picking him so early. I would love this guy on the 49ers next year, but you just dont see guards picked in the top 20. I dont see him moving to RT, and alot of scouts dont either. But he is going to be a good guard and would help solidify the O-line. I wouldnt jump for joy if hes picked, but i wouldnt be too disappointed either.
JPP – I dont know too much about this guy aside from what ive seen on NFLN and read on random scouting sites. I suppose if any coach can turn this guys raw ability, and seemingly infinite potential into a star football player… its Coach Sing. But the team has some pressing needs and for once they’re in a good position to address them… do they really want to use a first round pick on what, by all accounts, is a project player?
Kobe was a project
just saying.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 11, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
My lakers lucked up on that
Don’t get me wrong they saw something in him 2 trade 4 him but i think what kobe did 2 become kobe ( black mamba )was self made his obsession with wanting 2 be the best .Its that jordan disease and jordan was’nt heralded when he came out of NC he was good but he was’nt jordan.
Kobe had a phenominal will to be great, that type of determination is not found in a lot of people.
Plus the sports are different and at his size and speed, he had a lto going in his corner on pure athleic ability.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
You wouldnt believe how many people hated him his first 2 years in LA
His nickname was “Airball”. I laugh at all my friends who used to hate on him but worship the ground he walks on now. I always knew he was gonna be great. Thats why i bought his jersey his rookie season. Only rookie jersey ive ever owned.
I hate him now, site decorum the lakers and especiall KOBE.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
What you said rlott#42
“Kobe had a phenominal will to be great, that type of determination is not found in a lot of people.”
Is why I think Myron Rolle is going to be a great pickup for whoever gets him.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
I hope so
But I think the team that takes him will be one that is already pretty deep at S and is willing to take a gamble on him. He didn’t play for an entire year, and his numbers before that weren’t necessarily spectacular. But he is quite strong and appears to have decent hands and ability to track down the ball.
Great backup, if his will is like Kobe's he would be more than a backup.
Roman wasn’t a bad backup this past year, but he blew as a starter.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I think he has starter talent
but all pro mentality, that is why I’m so interested in seeing where he goes.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Mar 12, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
i hope we draft
a tackle (preferably T Williams) and CJ Spiller. We need to create an offense that can be as dominant as our defense. Tackle is a glaring need. We don’t need to rush to draft a safety like Thomas or Mays, because we need to save that high costs to re-sign VD, PW, and Dashon. We will not be able to re-sign them with another high priced safety. If Mays were to somehow drop to the second round then we should pick him up then. I don’t agree with getting JPP. We have decent OLB’s in Lawson, Brooks, and Haralson. I really don’t get their mentality. If these picks are not available then I say we just go with best player available.
Our defense is not dominant. We faced the Seahawks and Rams twice and were not undefeated, it's not dominant yet.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
We have plenty of moeny to resign them, even if we trded up to get Berry.
We would be about 40-50 mil under the cap and none of the would demand 10 mil per season.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
we are on our way
to being dominating. We lost to seattle because we were inconsistent. Also, we have money right now under the cap, but in order to resign PW, VD, and DG we will need close to 26 mill a year. You need to think long term. Great teams are great because they draft well and resign their own players. Getting berry at 13 would be useless because he will hold out for a huge contract because he will feel the same way Crabtree felt that he was a top 3 pick despite falling. Having said that, I would love to get Berry. It’s just not possible.
Defense...........
Im think’n the Defense has many holes ………..3rd and long waz awful no outside containment and the screen play’s kill’d us …….wouldn’t mind trading back, this team need’s all the pick’s it can get …………..
Kewl
I think with how much Coach Sing wanted Solari.. and how impressed McKittrick was with Solari
That Sing is going to value his evaluation of the OTs and OGs in this draft. And also his evaluation of the young OTs and OGs we have on the team.. including Boone. I am totally ready to be pleasantly surprised by how good the OL does this year.
Another thing is that if they want Iupati is who they want I can see them trading the # 13 back and picking up another 2nd rounder and then getting Iupati and maybe even Spiller at # 17.
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