Seattle making a push for Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb
by 49er fan for life on Mar 12, 2010 8:17 AM PST
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PrintFooch's Note: I noticed this and after doing some research, I've updated it and moved it to the front page. I've found a few links to provide support. First, Sal Palantonio was on a Philly sports talk show and said the Seahawks were calling quite a bit about both Eagles QBs, Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb. However, since then CSN Philadelphia is reporting that the Seahawks only have interest in Kolb.
As Mike Sando pointed out (Insider-protected), adding Kolb could allow the Seahawks to hang on to Matt Hasselbeck and take things one step at a time at the QB position.
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According to the NFL network Seattle might be offering one of their 1st round picks for McNabb. They are only in preliminary talks but a potential hold up is that Seattle would want a contract extension in place for McNabb before they would consider completing this trade.
It looks like Seattle wants to take back control of the NFC West with this potential trade. As a 49er fan I think the 49ers better take notice and consider getting in on McNabb before our NFC West opponent gets stronger while we stand pat. With uncertainty in draft picks panning out and the likelihood that the OT they want will not be there at 13 they may need to consider trading for McNabb and Gaither. They are both proven NFL players that would make this team true playoff contenders. The 49ers have an opportunity to take control of the division and be one of the best teams in the league in 2010.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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not McNabb and Gaither
I don’t know if you are suggesting they trade for McNabb AND get Gaither. I love the idea of one or the other, but both would be an awful decision. Giving up both first rounders (each acquisition would need a first) would absolutely destroy the youth movement and strategy of building through the draft and then locking up young players. Granted, Gaither is young, but no first rounders would be rough.
Yes 2 1st rd picks would be a steep price but....
I think in order to be a true contender this trade puts us there immediatley. I would try to get Gaither for a 2nd and maybe a later 2010 pick or a conditional 2011. Trading for McNabb would need an extension signed by him for a minimum of 3 years. Also send Alex over to them to get back a 2nd or 3rd since he is still young and has a cheap contract. The reason I think this is a good option is because we get a premier QB plus a young stud OT that is similar in age to the guys we would draft. I always would take a proven NFL player over a kid out of college. Think about our starting O with those 2 players added to a young athletic core. I would take Gaither over all of the tackles in the draft except for maybe Okung.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 12, 2010 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
I’m all for seeing seattle mortgage their future for aging veterans now. McNabb isn’t worth a high pick at all here.
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 12, 2010 8:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
C’mon guys….a 1st rounder for a 34 year old? Even if the 49ers werent comfortable with Smith (seems like they are) they still wouldnt be giving up a mid 1st round pick for a 34 years old that is past his prime and worn out. Kolb would make more sense as well, but I dont think thats happening. Maybe Clausen falls to 13…even he would be a better use of our 1st rounder than trading for McNabb(although Im not for this either). No one is trading a 2nd round pick for Alex Smith either. How is he an upgrade for Philly over Kolb? The only way we go after McNabb is for something other than a 1st rounder. I just dont see anything else happening at QB though, they seem set on what they’ve got.
Gaither is worth considering though, although I really dont think the Ravens will give him up. They’d match an offer sheet and it would take moe than a 1st to get him. So, then we’re back to square 1…drafting a RT, even if it mean trading down if the value isnt there when we pick.
He’s still playing on par with the highest levels of his career, though. He’s shown absolutely no signs of decline, and has actually been healthier in recent years than he was earlier in his career.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
at 34, how many more years does he have left or could be of value to us, as opposed to other optioins we have or could pursue for the same price?
I’m not saying that he’s not entering his decline years. I’m simply saying that there has been no actual indication in either his body or his level of play that indicates he has already entered them. By all accounts, last season was one of the best of his life. Players who are actively in decline don’t usually do that.
He’s obviously an older quarterback, and he’s probably only looking at three to four more really good years if he manages to stay healthy. But who knows? He’s still playing at his peak. Maybe he keeps it up for another eight years.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
His stats werent that much different than Smith’s. Yardage is the only real difference, but if we’re commited to running that stat isnt as relevent. Completion percentage was almost the same. If 49ers brass thinks Alex Smith will take a step forward this year because of OC consistency or an upgraded line, or additional weapons then I dont think McNabb is an option, especially for a 1st.
One stat that wasnt talked about much was fumbles. Smith only fumbled twice, with one lost and it came in the same game. Hes done a way better job at protecting the ball
Uh… their completion percentage was the same, but McNabb was far better than Smith in just about everything else, including adjusted yards per attempt, touchdown percentage and interception percentage. So basically, the completed the same percentage of passes, but McNabb got more out of every one of them, turned them into touchdowns more often, and kept them from being interceptions FAR more often.
It wasn’t close between them. It really wasn’t.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Touchdown percentage? They were basically the same 18tds-225 attempts vs 22 tds-267 attempts. The Eagles had a much better line and far more offensive weapons. I feel as though McNabb is on his way down and Smith along with the 49ers are on their way up. Its very conceivable based on the structure of both teams, Smith can put up similar numbers McNabb put up last year. Not much is gonna change with the eagles offense, except the loss of Westbrook, which is filled by an expanded role for McCoy
TD% was their closest stat outside of Comp%, but McNabb still has a slight edge. The differences between all of the other stats are starkly in McNabb’s favor, though. Smith is going to have to improve significantly in a lot of areas to even approach McNabb right now. That yards per completion difference is killer, and the INT% difference is, simply put, HUGE.
And I just think it’s hard to justify saying that McNabb is on his way down when his production last year didn’t show any signs of decline. The only possible indicator of decline for him right now is his age. Which is fair, but unreliable. He could conceivably keep this level of production up for a few more years.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
And I’m against getting McNabb for a number of reasons. I just don’t think the “they’re pretty similar” thing holds up under any kind of scrutiny.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
We’ll have to wait and see I guess. I really think if Smith was given McNabbs surrounding cast he could put up the same numbers. It was more Jackson that gave McNabb that Avg YPC number than him. Anyone who has Jackson is gonna see that number increase. Our play calling just didnt see us going deep much and we didnt have a receiver in the top 50 in YPR.
I will agree he needs to work on his accuracy and decision making to take that next step.
McNabb started 3 more games than Smith..
And those stats don’t reflect situations, like the 49ers having to throw a lot because they were behind They key is TD-INT.
I don’t think Smith is anywhere near McNabb as a QB yet. Nowhere.
Well, we're waiting....
I guess but if Smith had played 3 more games, its very conceivable he throws 4 more tds(tieing McNabb) although interceptions would be higher. I said earlier that hopefully with a better line and more time under the same OC, that stat would hopefully drop. McNabb’s success the last two season coincides with Desean Jackson coming in. He regularly turned shorter passes into long touchdowns, so with more weapons, or as many as McNabb had, Smiths numbers should only be positively affected.
Ummm.. no..
Can’t buy into this. McNabb for years outside of Owens or Jacskon has done a lot with less. McNabb is a way more dynamic QB than Smith. Everybody thinks that a perfect storm for Smith will overcome his own issues as a QB, but guess what? He still is way behind McNabb as far as mechanics and overall play.
McNabb is a better QB period. I don’t see an argument here.
Well, we're waiting....
Im not saying that today he isnt a better qb! Im saying that in the near future he could be and for the reasons I listed.
And Im saying hes not that much better that hes worth a mid-1st round pick for the marginal upgrade. This is further reinforced by his age and the likely hood he’ll begin to regress soon, combined with his past injury history, he’s simply not worth a 1st round pick.
Well, I agree he isn't a 1st round pick..
Unless the 49ers were really serious about reaching the playoffs and beyond this year and the next.
Well, we're waiting....
No one told Smith to not show up until the 4th.
What about the head to head matchup. McNabb’s OL was banged up this year.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
TD to Int ratio, I know he passes more and threw less Int's without loking.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I think he’ll be lucky to get 4 more years producing at his level. The best thing he has going for him is the offense around him. We’re not talking about Brett Favre here. He’ll have another season or two that end in disappointment in Philly (meaning no superbowl), which will result in a release or a trade, and unless he goes to a team with sufficient offensive weapons, his decline will be inevitable.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Time to chime in...
This argument is old, worn, and completely unnecessary. McNabb is FAR AND AWAY a better QB than Alex Smith. I can’t say how many times I have had to defend Donovan here inNN. But, apparently everyone with the exception of a couple of folks are obviously members of the Jim Jones 4 Life fanclub! Kool Aid anyone?
You DO realize, you guys are talking about a player who has rocket arm strength, accuracy, experience, SEVERAL PRO BOWL appearances, a Super Bowl appearance, and skin thicker than worn cow hide. Come on, this is a guy who has played his entire career in Philly! The same folks who booed Santa Clause! And, he STILL comes back playing like an all world!
I continue to hear the same old arguements about how much better Smith will be “IF” a lot of things happen. With McNabb, all that will be needed, is for him to get the playbook and get out on the field! He has accomplished much more with a ton less in his career than Smith probably ever will. And IMO, if we were serious only a couple years ago about acquiring Kurt Warner from the Cardinals, why is everyone so against getting Donovan? Who by the way is younger, healthier, and more athletic than Kurt has been his whole career!
But, I hear your other argument…..“He’s not worth a 1st rd pick”. Are you kidding? Is a 1st rd pick worth: Veteran leadership, consistant game play, a consimate professional, a community spokesman, and a great endorsement figure? I think the answer is a resounding YES!
Remember 1 thing about 1st rd draft choices, they are as hit or miss as anyother round players one can get. Let your mind feast on the likes of Jim Druckenmiller, Dexter Carter,Todd Kelly, Dana Hall, J.J. Stokes, Reggie McGrew, Mike Rumph, Rashaun Woods, or Kwame Harris?
All of these guys were drafted by the Niners in the 1st rd, and they all stunk! A total waste of a pick. Yet, for a 1st rd player with “potential”, we could have a proven veteran QB in McNabb, in whom we KNOW what we’re getting!
And I don’t wanna hear this messy comparison to Brett “make me wanna puke” Favre anymore. Put D. Mc on that Minnesota team last year, an HE would’ve lead them to the NFC title game as well! Just the weapons available to him on the Vikings team last year dwarfs ANT team Donovan has played on in Philly. INCLUDING THE YEAR HE HAD T.O! And please, let us kindly put tthat lame arguement about age to bed. For the past 3 years the best teams in the league have been led by “old” QB’s. (in order: Kerry Collins, Kurt Warner, and Brett “OMFG” Favre) And you guys really wanna spplit hairs over bringing that kinda leadership to the Niners? I think you guys deserve a GM with no forward thinking like Scotty Mc who is all to happy to collect a paycheck and srag this team further into the grave if keeping a guy like McNabb off the team for age is a solid reason!
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Well I guess you agree with my post....
Like I said in a response earlier I like Smith but I think this team has the players needed to be considered among the elite.. That being said I don’t know if Alex can lead this team to the promise land. As I read all of the Mock drafts I think damn I am not to sure about that guy or this guy… So if you ask me if McNabb is available lets offer a 1st and Alex for McNabb and maybe a 2nd-4th rd pick in return( 1 of those). McNabb plays at a all pro level for the next 3-5yrs while Davis or maybe a pick ( I like Lefevour) waits and learns.
People keep saying that Bal will not let Gaither leave well why didn’t they give him the highest tender? According to NFL network when teams put just a 1st rd tender or lower they are considering taking offers or the pick as compensation. IMO we should be after this guy more than anybody else FA’s or draft picks. He is a beast who will turn our line into potentially 1 of the best in the league if we upgrade the LG position in rd 2 or 3. Staley, Lupati, Heitman, Chilo, Gaither wow that looks oh so lovely for this franchise!
by 49er fan for life on Mar 13, 2010 3:04 AM PST up reply actions
And would be a terrible fin in Jimmy Raye’s offense.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Something else to think about...
Seattle is now reported to preparing offer for B Marshall…. Seattle is going with my choice of possibly getting proven all pro’s for their 1st round picks.
Also Gaither is 23yrs old 6-9 340. Potential picks Okung 21 6-5 300, Bulaga 20 6-6 312, Williams 21 6-5 318, Davis 19 6-6 325, Cambell 20 6-7 310….
That being said what if all 5 of those tackles are gone. In addition Berry, Spiller, Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen & McClain are all gone. IMO this would be horrible if we had a chance to trade for McNabb & Gaither with our 2 picks and are stuck with drafting other players that really would not help right away.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 12, 2010 3:04 AM PST reply actions
Dan Williams, Graham, Bryant, Thomas, Mays, Iupati, and some others.
We could trade back into the second there is talent there.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
FA and Traded players can bust too
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
No better RT in the draft
IMO Gaither is a no brainer. We get a Proven Stud at tackle. For McNabb I don’t like the deal i would rather use that pick on Spiller or Berry if by some miracle he drops. The downside of not getting McNabb is that if Seattle does, it makes them instant contenders again in the NFC West
The problem I see with Gaither is that he is coming of an injury.
Haven’t we tried enough OLmen with injury histories?
Granted he may be fully recovered and not a problem. in that case i would offer the # 17 for him..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Those guys were much older
We have to remember that Gaither is 23-24
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 12, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's still spine and neck injuries and severe enough to sideline him for the season.
Do either of you have any info on how serious the injury is .
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I saw it when it happened
It looked REALLY BAD.
I was stunned when they announced that he would be back after a few games.
I thought he was going to end up paralyzed or something.
Yet, he came back and played at a high level.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe the first year
But Kolb has some skills and tons of potential. I’d rather face McNabb.
by mr. instigator on Mar 12, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
sure does, McNabb would be short libbed not for the long haul, I doubt Kob is moved.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I’d rather face him than Hasselbeck.
He has proven nothing and is just another overhyped backup.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I have to believe that Philadelphia is asking for a pirate’s treasure in this whole thing. They seem to have somebody who can step in immediately for McNabb in Kolb – possibly even as a full-time starter – and they can’t just give that up.
Personally, I hope that if this happens, they absolutely fleece Carroll and the ’Hawks.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Ah! I meant “King’s ransom.” Although, “pirate’s treasure” was a nice alternative.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Eh I am not too worried about McNabb or Kolb....
Kolb isn’t really any better than Smith, and McNabb is getting up there in age and seems to have the Hasselback syndrome (not being able to stay healthy). People also seem to forget that McNabb does as well as he does because he has one of the better o-lines to work with. Going to Seattle, he would be running for his life most of the time, thus further increasing his chance for injury. So really, he wouldn’t be an upgrade over what they have now, if anything, they should stay with Hasselback because he is familiar with the team/players already.
Kolb hasn’t played much, but it’s hard to say with any kind of certainty that he’s no better than Smith. He’s older than Smith, but he’s also looked pretty good when he’s been out there.
And McNabb has started 44 out of 48 possible regular season games in the last three years. Yes, he does have a history of being hurt, but it actually isn’t that much of his recent history.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
You can’t say Kolb is any better than an average NFL starter.
He’s a back up.
He has proven nothing in his starts….it will take more than one good game against the Chiefs to convince me he can be a good staring QB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t say anything definitive about Kolb, and I didn’t say that he’s done anything to convince anybody. I just said that he looked pretty good in limited action, and that we don’t know a lot more about him than that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So why is he as good/better than Smith?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I said it’s hard to say whether he is or not.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 20, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
McNabb Not Right For The Niners
But….I Don’t think his career is over yet. If He goes to Seattle thats another thing we have to prepare for when we face Seattle. I do like the fact that they have to give up a first for him though then hopefully they won’t use there other 1st round pick to trade for Marshall. If they do we would have a serious problem
Not going to happen
The Eagles are not ready to give up McNabb. However, I agree that it does make for interesting discussion. I’m honestly not sure if giving up our long term future for McNabb is the right move. It would be nice to win even if is only for a year or two. Maybe Nate Davis will be ready to play by then. But in the end the Eagles are not prepared to let McNabb go. Not yet.
Are you sure?
The rumblings outta Philly have been they haven’t been completely sold on Donovan for the past 3 years. The only reason they didn’t get rid of him yet is his salary, which has scared a lot of potential suitors away. To me it seems as if the Eagles are making it quite clear they are ready to hand the team over to Kolb. And at this stage in his career, Kolb is still a rookie. One area on defense the niners have problems in is pass defense as our DB’s are notorious for getting burned deep. If McNabb goes to the Seahawks, that’s another worry to give us headaches as they still have this guy named Houshmanzadah there who can stretch a field at will. not to mention we still hae to face the Cardinals and Fitzgerald, Breaston, and Doucet twice a year.. but, go ahead….clamor to let the Seahawks pass us by too.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I'll take facing Kolb
…over McNabb any day…for the next season or two at least. I don’t see Kolb stepping in and making an immediate impact to make the ‘Hawks relevant in the next season, maybe two, even with Marshall added to the mix. I don’t care who the Seahawks get, this is still a team in “rebuild” mode with a ton of question on the O-line and defense. Kolb would need a couple season to learn how to be effective as a starter (I hope) and IMO Marshall has successfully wrestled the title of “Most Volatile Receiver in the NFL” away from our good buddy TO. Frankly, I’m not going to be too worried about the Seahawks this year no matter what…but of course, I could be wrong. Let’s hope not.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
Also...
If the FO doesn’t believe the tackle they want will be there (in the first, or later rounds) I’m ok with giving up a first rounder for gaither. We need the tackle situation addressed by any means necessary IMO. However I wouldn’t give up anything more then a second rounder for McNabb. Kolb seams to have a bright future, but we already have our own Kolb in Alex Smith. I don’t see how it would be a good idea for the Niners, competitively or financially to interject themselves in a deal with the Eagles. Let the ‘Hawks do what they feel they need to do…I’m confindent the FO has plan in place and they should stick to it.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Mar 12, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
IMHO I believe they should give a first rounder for Gaither regardless of who they like/who will be available in the draft. The draft will be a gamble no matter which way you look at it, whereas Gaither would not be. It would be a dissapointment of mine if they didn’t go for him, but truthfully I don’t expect them to. I definitely agree with you on the QB situation. We have to let Alex show us that he can either lead this team to success or he can’t. And getting Gaither would help with this experiment because it would give Smith everything he needs to succeed.
What some of you don't understand....
Is that whoever trades for Gaither (or signs him to an offer sheet) has to give him a BIG contract extension.
Why do you think the Ravens haven’t signed him to a long term deal?
They don’t want to pay him LT money because they already have a guy that’s better than him at RT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
I haver no problem paying him good money. Jon Stinchomb is one of the better RT in the league and the Saints just extended his contract offering him a 5 year $22.5 million deal. That’s not bad.
I’d be ok with doing 6 years $25-30 million for Gaither as he’s younger with more upside. We signed Staley to a 9 year $43.66 million deal. Doing that locks up our bookends for a long time.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
The 49ers may feel it's best to spend that money on a player they know
Like Goldson, Willis, or VD.
I’m just speculating here, though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I want our guys to get extended
but I don’t think that happens until the end of the 2010 season. I really want us to get Gaither but I don’t think it’ll happen.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
If Seattle pulls this off...
I have to applaud them. Kolb and Marshall? Talk about pairing up a good combo for a decade. They could also grab some good linemen in round 2 and 3.
I still think the 49ers would be the team to beat, but the room for error would significantly decrease.
If they get Kolb and Marshall
I would feel much more comfortable with this if we had Berry, Thomas, or Mays in our secondary.
Same was said about the Bears last year.
FAs and Traded players can bust too.
Kolb is just an unproven back up and Marshall is baby TO.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I Don't Get It
I have heard that “the 49ers must acquire a certain player before a division rival acquires him”.
That makes absolutely no sense. You cannot mold your organizational plans around what other teams in your division are doing, at least in regards to specific players. I have stated that the 49ers don’t need to ’go all out" in free agency, because they will be the favorites to win the division in 2010, that may change a little bit if the Chickens acquire Marshall and/or Kolb/Mcnabb. The 49ers may want to be a little more pro-active, this in order to maintain that advantage, but to say that they should go after a certain player because the Chickens might get him is just reactionary thinking. In football as in life anyone making reactionary decisions is not going to accomplish what they need to and or going to fall back in terms of being decisive.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 12, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+8.5
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Mar 12, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
More targets for Patrick Willis to smash
I would not care if they get Peyton Manning. Lack of targets, poor offensive line, no running game with an average defense . . . not worried.
I am reading the tea leaves on this story about different. Cleveland has been the team making the push for Kolb. The blatant leak about Seahawk interest directly from Eagles management is to put more pressure on Cleveland. Why else would the Eagles go public about a trade with the Seattle?
I would be scared if they got Peyton manning.
by manraj7 on Mar 12, 2010 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t see why.
At least not for the first season.
He would not have his OC with him and would have to install a complex offensive system that took the Colts years to perfect.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
i dont think
that trying to outbid our division rivals for the same free agents is good practice. But thats not the point. We cannot ignore our needs while our foes are clearly have a plan in place and are making moves. Being a “favorite” doesn’t mean anything if we don’t improve ourselves. Heck we almost ran the whole division last year but still came up short because we couldn’t beat anyone outside of it.
In the Mc Boo Foo post, bignerd makes an excellent point citing transaction history that McCoughlan isn’t a creative GM with trading picks for players, players for picks, up or down in the draft. With some of his comments he seems just rigid. None-the-less, he’s put all his eggs in one basket with this draft. So if that’s how the FO thinks we’ll improve to playoffs we’ll see.
dag
i think if seattle gets mcnab they’re taking the nfc west. mcnab is old but he’s ten times better than alex smith. i like this though. give us some competition.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
Build through the draft and sign your own soon to be free agents that you think merit a new contract !
Don’t forget we have to sign two #1 draft picks this year,so where would we get the $ to pay all the draft picks and all our own future free agents and still hand out all those huge $ out to every free agent that any and every fan calls for.
Our front office has a good plan and is sticking to it !
The point was Seattle is looking to take control of the division...
Now we can debate McNabb for a 1st but Gaither is a no brainer imo. The option I favor is going with proven NFL players over kids out of the draft. We could land up with Kwame Harris or Joe Staley you never know. If McNabb gives us good 5 years and takes us to playoff contenders then you have to consider it right? Also ask yourself this question at the end of a game would you rather have Smith or McNabb with the game on the line? Stats are not always what you judge QB play on. I like Alex but 2010 is the 49ers year to take over the division. This team only has a few questionable starters and Alex & RT are the obvious ? marks..
by 49er fan for life on Mar 12, 2010 6:53 PM PST reply actions
For the most part our GM lands Joe Staley and not Kwame Harris, he just doesn’t land enough of them.
And our GM didn’t even land Kwame Harris.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 13, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
If they get Marshall and McNabb, they will have an elite offense, with Housh Forsett Carlson, they be like Houston with two big WR's.
THey could outscore us, passing defense is our weakness.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Yup while we may not address some areas of concern. I really hope FO has a plan of action thats all..
by 49er fan for life on Mar 12, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Elite?
I think Housh is overrated, Forsett is not an every down back, Carlson took a step back last year, and their OL is below average.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 13, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Also at 13 & 17 we could miss out on areas of needs....
We need a starting OT, SS, & KR/ game changer… If top 5 OT’s, Berry, Thomas, Haden, Spiller, Mays, & 2DT’s are gone I think we get little value as far as helping this year.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 12, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions
Not really. Only if we use the picks. We can trade them, we can select a player one of those teams wanted and trade that player and anothe rpick.
But I do see what you mean, we may be reching at those picks.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Its just think its a risk but I think everybody has valid points..
I just hope ithat we get a one of these guys with our 13th pick ( Berry, Spiller, Okung, Buluga, Williams, Mays, Haden or Thomas). Obviously I am dreaming that Berry or Okung will drop down to 13 but I want a starter from day 1 out of that pick. Spiller won’t start but he will still touch the ball enough to be worthy of the pick. I probably would not be upset if Lupati was the pick because he would start at LG or maybe RT if he can adjust quick enough.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 13, 2010 3:20 AM PST up reply actions
It looks like Seattle wants to take back control of the NFC West with this potential trade.
Not really.
Their RBs are terrible, their OTs are terrible, their S play is pretty bad, their CBs are average at best, their pass rush is terrible, their WRs are average at best.
Their only real strength are their LBs
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Well if they turn their 2 1st rd picks into Marshall & McNabb...
Then they have really good WR’s with Marshall & Housh! McNabb is still a all pro QB performing at a high level & their young TE Carlson is very talented. There starting C was a 1st rd pick last year and they can use the draft to upgrade the line. Forsett played really good last year and their D has a lot of playmakers with a decent secondary & very good LB’s. They beat us last year and spoiled our playoff hopes without McNabb & Marshall so how can you act like the 49ers are so much better than them… Reality check my friend because they are not as bad as you say they are.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 13, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Let's put another spin on Sea..
Hasselback can still play when healthy so maybe they get Marshall & Gaither with their 1st rd picks. Also with that early 2nd pickup Best and early 3rd another starting OT or G. They will be a lot better than last year.
That being said I still think the 49ers have just as many options and with a good off season we could take control of the division. I have been saying to make some moves but I need to show patience and see how things shake out.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 14, 2010 4:19 AM PST up reply actions
Hasselbeck still struggled even when he was healthy.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Their D has 4 playmakers
Tatupu, Hill, Curry, and Hawthorne.
All LBs.
McNabb has been performing at a very high level in a system he’s been in his entire career.
You really think he’ll make the switch to a new offense with new teammates and coaches without missing a beat?
Even if they acquire both of those players, they’re still a below average team.
Their OTs will still suck, they still won’t be able to run the ball (Forsett is not an everydown back), they still can’t get pressure on the QB, and they still have average CBs (who commit PI too much).
Don’t eat all the [site decorum] that the media feeds you. The Seahawks aren’t a good team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd give the depleted Cardinals a better chance to win the west than the Seahawks.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Look I am not saying that SEA is better just pointing out some things....
Look the bottom line is that the 49ers are still a few players away from being a really good team. If they do not draft well and fill some areas of weakness such as SS, RT, LG, KR/PR, then this offseason is a fail. They need another playmaker WR/RB to help to stretch the field as well as help on ST. I really feel that the FO has been doing a good job and stated in a above post that I need to be patient & see how things shake out.
Sea seems to be aggressively trying to upgrade their talent. They have more holes than the 49ers but if they add a few pieces such as Marshall, Gaither via trade and/or draft players like Okung, Bulaga, McCoy, Best, or Spiller then I hope we don’t miss on our picks. In the end the 49ers should be much better but you never know what will happen.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 15, 2010 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought this was about SEA?
As I mentioned above, I’m more worried about the Cardinals.
They still have a fairly good Defense and their depth at WR should allow them to lessen the impact of the Boldin trade.
Ultimately it all comes down to Matt Leinart. Say what you want about him, but he’s still an unknown (only 17 or so starts).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you did not read my post when I started this thread...
I said I wanted the 49ers to make moves not in response to SEA but to better this team. I just personally like getting proven talent especially when they are as young as Gaither. We can go back and forth about Sea & Ari but bottom line is I really want the 49ers to trade for Gaither not so much on McNabb unless they got him for a lower rd pick.
You are more concerned about AZ who just lost some really good player but thats your opinion. If Sea picks up Marshall & Gaither plus some more FA’s and solid picks then they will be a factor. That being said if the 49ers pick up some really good player through picks or FA’s then it should not matter what Sea does because the 49ers will be the better team.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 15, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I read it, and I responded by saying that the chickens suck and that we don't need to worry about them.
I want Gaither too, but I just don’t see it happening.
You have to be realistic.
I think the 49ers will still be the better team regardless of what SEA does.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well good that's your opinion....
None of us work for the NFL or for the 49er organization that I know of. That being said we all are entitled to our opinions you have yours and I have mine. There is no right answer here we will both have to wait and see what happens after the season!
by 49er fan for life on Mar 16, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Right on, brother.
We’ll see what happens.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 16, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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