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Official NN User Mock Draft Thread 3.0 (03/14/10)


Here is the new mock draft thread. Please post all mock drafts in this post.

This mock was done by Niners Nation's very own smileyman. There are some interesting twists that should drive some good convo.

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1. Rams
Ndam Suh (DT).
Much as I want to give them Bradford or Clausen here I can't. Bradford didn't throw at his Pro Day and might not throw before the draft. You can't draft a guy #1 if you don't know how he's healed. Cluasen isn't good enough to be a #1 overall pick either. The Rams will have to address their QB needs in round 2 (Colt McCoy maybe), or hope that AJ Feeley is good enough to get them through the year and then they can get Locker in 2011.


2. Lions
Russel Okung (OT)
The Lions have done a great job in free agency. They acquired Corey Williams in a trade from Cleveland, and picked up Kyle Vanden Bosch who will be an immediate impact player for them. They've also addressed their offensive needs by getting another WR to go opposite Megatron. They have major problems protecting their $70 million investment so they take steps here to upgrade that. Okung will play LT and Backus will move inside to LG, killing two birds with one stone.


3 Bucs
Gerald McCoy (DT)

Bucs need desperate help up front. Their run defense is among the worst in the league. Their pass defense is actually OK, but a dominating front line would make it even better. They have a young offensive line that's shown improvement and a QB that has shown flashes of being great. McCoy will be an immediate impact for them.


4 Redskins
Anthony Davis (OT)
The Redskins have two glaring needs--QB and Left Tackle. They've placed a 1st round tender on Jason Campbell, so they must still see value in him. By fixing their offensive line it may help out with their QB situation. They've already addressed part of this by acquiring OG Artis Hicks in free agency and Bulaga will further solidify it. He's excellent in pass protection and a mauler in run blocking.


5 Chiefs
Eric Berry (S)
The Chiefs have needs everywhere but they can't pass on a surefire success like Berry.


6 Seahawks
CJ Spiller (RB)
The Seahawks also have a plethora of needs. Like us they need offensive line help and secondary help. They just traded Seneca Wallace to the Browns and now only have an aging and fragile Matt Hasselbeck on the roster. To top it off they don't appear to appreciate Justin Forsett as much as 49er fans do as they're still looking for a running back. Spiller is the BPA on the board for what they need and want on the offense.


7 Browns
Sam Bradford (QB).

The Browns clearly are not happy with their QB situation. They cut Derek Anderson. They picked up Seneca Wallace in a trade and even though he thinks he's the starter he's not going to be a long term answer for them. They're trying to shop Brady Quinn only nobody is interested. They've got Delhomme scheduled to come visit as well. Bradford fills an immediate need for them and is the best player on their board at this position.


8 Raiders
Rolando McClain (ILB)
Raiders have lots of options here, one of the benefits of picking in the top 10. Their once fearsome defense stinks, and they aren't too much better on offense. They have strong needs at both LB spots so pick the best LB in this year's draft, Rolando McClain


9 Bills
Jimmy Clausen (QB)
Poor Bills. The owner fired every single offensive coach in the off season. Their QBs are horrible, their starting RT retired early (though they did find a replacement through FA). They're switching to a 3-4 next year so will have to find new players. The question here is what do they need more? Franchise QB, stud OT, or dominating NT for their 3-4? Since Clausen falls into their lap here he's the one they have to go with. The draft is deep enough they can find starting tackles in the 2nd and 3rd.


10 Jaguars
Joe Haden (CB)
Haden is the top-rated CB coming out. The Jaguars have two huge needs on defense--a killer safety and a great CB. Berry is the best safety in the draft and he's already gone, so the Jaguars go with the top rated CB in this year's draft.


11 Broncos (CHI)
Dez Bryant (WR)
Marshall may not be a Bronco next season. Even if he is they need a true threat on the other side. Dez Bryant is clearly the best WR in this year's class, despite missing most of this season.

12 Dolphins
Brandon Spikes (LB)
Even though the Dolphins made a big splash in FA by signing Karlos Dansby they still need a LB. They would've loved to have McClain fall to them but Brandon Spikes is not a bad option for them either.


13 49ers
Bryan Bulaga (OT)
Bulaga is a stud offensive tackle who fills a huge need. He started his career at LG, moved to LT and has played some RT as well. He's got the versatility that McCloughan likes in a linemen. He's also got very quick feet and long arms which are perfect for zone blocking which is what they run at Iowa and which the 49ers may very well be transitioning to.


14 Seahawks (DEN)
Tim Tebow (QB)
The most controversial pick of the draft. The Seahawks are definitely in the hunt for another QB after trading Seneca Wallace. Hasselbeck is on the downhill side of his career and they need to start grooming their QBOTF. They thought highly enough of Tebow to invite him to a private workout and what he showed them must have impressed them mightily. He has a chance to assimilate the pro style for a year or two before having to start.


15 Giants
Derrick Morgan (DE)
The Giants need both ILB and OLB, but the best ones are off the board. They also need help along their defensive line and luckily for them a top defensive candidate is still available. Morgan did some OLB drills at the Combine but projects better as a 4-3 and with 55 tackles (18.5 for loss), and 12.5 sacks he's got the resume to do well. He's also got the size requirements at 6'4 and 272lbs.


16 Titans
Carlos Dunlap DE
Their biggest need in this offseason was probably DE. Vanden Bosch leaving only makes that situation worse. Aaron Kampman should help replace Vanden Bosch on the RDE. On the LDE they have William Hayes who has been solid but not spectacular. With Duinlap and Kampman rushing the Titans should see a much improved defense.


17 49ers (CAR)
Taylor Mays (S)
Some have criticized Mays for his lack of big plays, but he made a very cogent point at the Senior Bowl when he said that was the way he was coached. He was coached differently at the Senior Bowl and made a couple of great plays on the ball. Eric Berry would be a perfect option for the Niners here, but Mays isn't far behind.


18 Steelers
Jared Odrick (DE)
The Steelers resigned Casey Hampton so they aren't in dire need of a NT, but on the LDE they've got a rookie who didn't do so hot and on the RDE they've got a 31 year old player. Odrick has the skills to be an upgrade for them at either end spot


19 Falcons
Sean Weatherspoon (OLB)
The Falcons have some young players in their defensive line rotation that they're trying to get ready for a starting job, so I don't think they'll pick defensive line first. They have a solid MLB in Curtis Lofton (133 tackles last year). Mike Petereson the LOLB is in his 12th year and is showing his age. The other OLB Stephen Nicholas had a respectable showing in his first year as a starter (80 tackles, 3 sacks, 3 PD). I think that Weatherspoon is a great match for them. he can take over for Peterson or Nicholas.


20 Texans
Brian Price (DT)
The Texans need help along their interior line but they just signed OG Wade Smith to help out with that so it's not such a pressing need for them anymore. Iupati might be an option here but the Texans don't have a 2nd round pick this year and so have to go need in the 1st--they can get a decent guard in the 3rd if they needed to. They need LB help and D-line help and I think that Price is the best option available at this point for them.


21 Bengals
Jermaine Gresham (TE)
The Bengals biggest offensive need is a WR to go opposite Ochocinco. Well they just filled that need by signing Antonio Bryant to a contract. Their other big need is a good TE that they can use as an additional passing threat. Gresham is the best TE on the board and should do well for the Bengals.


22 Patriots
Brandon Graham (OLB)
It's a good thing that the Patriots have Brady, Belichick and the Devil on their side or they'd be in much worse shape than they are. Their once stout defense has gone very soft, they have no WR other than Moss and he might not be around after 2010. They haven't drafted a WR in the first round in the last 10 years and that's not going to change this year. Graham will be an upgrade for them as well as providing a youth movement in their front 7


23 Packers
Sergio Kindle (OLB)
Packers need help with their OLB. Matthews isn't the stud they hoped he would be and Brad Jones quite frankly stinks. Sergio Kindle will immediately upgrade their secondary unit. They could use a CB as well as a guard and a center but I think they target those positions in the later rounds.


24 Eagles
Ryan Mathews (RB)
The departure of Westbrook leaves the Eagles with a big hole to fill. They don't feel comfortable with LeSean McCoy as they're shopping for backs in FA. Ryan Matthews is a good value here. He'll have to learn how to catch out of the backfield, since that's something Westbrook excelled at.


25 Ravens
Kyle Wilson (CB)
Wilson brings an immediate improvement to the Ravens biggest area of need.


26 Cardinals
Trent Williams (OT)
The Cardinals biggest need is along their offensive line, both interior and at the tackle spots. They just signed Rex Hadnot to a 3 year deal so the inside line is already improved. Gandy won't be around at the LT and the thinking is that Levi Brown will slide over to LT. Trent Williams wowed lots of people at the Combine but his game film as a LT is not very good. However he's a dominating RT and will fill a big need for the Cardinals.


27 Cowboys
Jared Odrick (DT)
The Cowboys don't have many areas of great need. They could use some help on the defensive line though. Ratliff is a great NT, but Spears is just an average DE. Olshanksy is better, but still isn't a great one. Odrick could be brought in as a rotational guy and push either one of these guys for a starting spot.


28 Chargers
Terrence Cody (DT)
Chargers need a pure NT since they let Jamal Williams go and don't really have anyone else to replace him. Cody has had concerns about his weight but he's down to 349lbs now and is still losing. His playing weight should be around 340 which is perfect for a dominating NT like Cody.


29 Jets
Earl Thomas (S)
With the parting of Rhodes the Jets are short a starting safety. They helped address their pass coverage needs by acquring Cromartie, but they still need a safety. Earl Thomas is a great prospect and will make their secondary fearsome.


30 Vikings
Mike Iupati (OG)
Before the Senior Bowl there was speculation that he might be able to play RT in addition to LG. At that time he was projected to be a mid round pick in the first. However he didn't look good playing outside of his natural LG position which has hurt his stock somewhat. Luckily for him the Vikings need an interior lineman. Steve Hutchinson is 32. The RG Anthony Herrera hasn't exactly been a standout player. Who better for the Vikings to get than another LG who can be compared to Steve Hutchinson.


31 Colts
Maurkice Pouncey (Center)
The Colts just cut last season's starting LG Ryan Lilja. They did pick up OG Andy Alleman whom the Chiefs let go, but he's probably no more than a backup. Pouncey can play guard, and when Saturday eventually hangs up his cleats Pouncey can move over and take over the center position.


32 Saints
Dan Williams (DT)
The Saints have a great offense and a defense that's not so hot. They have needs in the secondary and up front, but especially up front.

 

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I heard Phillips say this in an interview this season, but this is the only link I could find in which Phillips made the comment.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2008/6/17/553688/wade-phillips-press-conferJay

Ratliff at DE?

He started out at end, but we put him at nose guard last year because we needed him. He played tremendously well at nose guard, but he is talented as an end. Tank coming in, some other good players at nose guard means we can put Jay back at end some. I said last year I think he is one of our best three guys up front, we want to utilize him at end. I don’t think it will be full-time right now because he played so well at nose guard, but he uses a different technique inside than Tank.

The Cowboys have not had an option at a NT they want, but they have made it known they want Ratliff at DE, not NT, he is 303 lbs and not the typical weight fo the position.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't know what happened.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2008/6/17/553688/wade-phillips-press-conferJay
exert from an interview with Phillips.

Ratliff at DE?

He started out at end, but we put him at nose guard last year because we needed him. He played tremendously well at nose guard, but he is talented as an end. Tank coming in, some other good players at nose guard means we can put Jay back at end some. I said last year I think he is one of our best three guys up front, we want to utilize him at end. I don’t think it will be full-time right now because he played so well at nose guard, but he uses a different technique inside than Tank.

The Cowboys have not had an option at a NT they want, but they have made it known they want Ratliff at DE, not NT, he is 303 lbs and not the typical weight fo the position.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some quick observations

Given the Redskins zone blocking scheme, I don’t think the big Anthony Davis fits there. At all.

Bradford to Cleveland is very intriguing. I actually really like that pick.

The Texans do have a 2nd round pick. You’re right that the interior OL has slid down on the priority chart. I don’t think Price would be the pick over Dan Williams based on what the owner has said.

Brandon Graham to NE makes me sick in a “I wish that doesn’t happen” kind of way.

The Packers not drafting a OL is kind of puzzling. They need to protect Rodgers especially from Jared Allen.

by TexansDC on Mar 14, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Packers resigned Clifton

and they really like Tauscher on the right side. They mostly need guard help and they’re not the kind of team to get one in the 1st

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple of points, Drew.

I know that you had a hard day yesterday in running the draft; plus, the 100 in 100 today; but, this one needs a couple of fixes:

1. You have the Redskins picking Davis at #4, but your comments say “Bulaga.” I was very happy later to see that you really did mean Davis; thus, the 49ers got Bulaga at #13; after Okung he’s my first choice in OTs. (By the way, do you really believe that the Redskins would select Davis at #4? Seems like a terrible reach in light of recent events.)

2. I agree that Odrick is good; however, I don’t think that he’s good enough to play in two places at once; namely, in Pittsburgh at #18 and in Dallas at #27.

Saturday nights can be a bitch, can’t they?

by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 14, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

This mock wasn't mine... it's smileyman's

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will change that as soon as smileyman get's me a replacement.

I didn’t have time to go through it before I posted it.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 14, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

HATE this mock

You think Seahawks pass on Bradford then take Tebow a couple picks later? You are crazy. You think they value Tebow more than Bradford? You think they take Spiller before their QB of the future? You state how they need help on OL, QB, etc…then grab Spiller? Horrible pick.

Also Spikes going to Dolphins after signing Dansby to a record breaking contract for a ILB? They need help, but not enough to use a first rounder on ANOTHER LB. Like everyone on this board states, when you already have a top ILB you don’t need to use another high round pick on ILB when it’s just a guy taking up blockers. I was hoping for Spikes or McClain and everyone laid into me because they don’t need a high pick at Ted position because it’s easy to fill that spot.

Browns grabbing Bradford after signing Delhomme? Delhomme said he wouldn’t go anywhere without being a starter, and Holmgren doesn’t agree with QB controversy. Delhomme is the starter for 2 years. While they could grab Bradford and let him sit a few years, I just don’t see it.

Lastly, I don’t see Dunlap going before Graham, but that’s just me. Care to re-do this thing?

by hudd07 on Mar 14, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I disagree about the Spikes-Dolphins pick

Parcells loves his LBs and the Dolphins run a 3-4. There’s a place for a guy like Spikes or McClain on the Dolphins next to Dansby.

by TexansDC on Mar 14, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is room for those guys on our team next to Willis too

But everyone states no way we grab one because it’s not a huge need. You don’t think the Dolphins have other holes to fill? You don’t think Singletary LOVES his LBs and we also run a 3-4. So what’s the big difference between the Dolphins and 49ers. Why would they want to add another ILB to take on blockers with their 1st rounder, but we wouldn’t?

I just don’t see it. Anything is possible, but don’t see it at all.

by hudd07 on Mar 15, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is smileyman's mock

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 14, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

Didn’t say it was yours, just stated I didn’t like it.

by hudd07 on Mar 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just don’t want people to get confused and thats why I made the comment. There were a couple more people that made that mistake.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 15, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, first I would like to say ive been a Niners fan since the 92’ season, when i was only six years old.This is my first post in awhile. Almost a year to be exact, but i couldnt stay idle forever. Ive been looking at all the mock drafts here and reading up on what you guys have say.However I believe mine will reign supreme and will not miss a single pick :) This mock draft is based off of what i think the team will do on their turn.

1 Rams:
Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma.

2 Lions:
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska.

3 Bucs:
Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma.

4 Redskins:
Eric Berry, S/CB, Tennessee.

5 Chiefs:
Russell Okung, T, Oklahoma State.

6 Seahawks:
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame.

7 Browns:
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson.

8 Raiders:
Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida.

9 Bills:
Bryan Bulaga, T, Iowa.

10 Jaguars:
Joe Haden, CB, Florida.

11 Broncos (CHI):
Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama.

12 Dolphins:
Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State.

13 49ers:
Earl Thomas, S, Texas.

14 Seahawks (DEN):
Taylor Mays, S, USC

15 Giants:
Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri.

16 Titans:
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech.

17 49ers (CAR):
Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame

18 Steelers:
Trent Williams, T, Oklahoma.

19 Falcons:
Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan.

20 Texans:
Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State.

21 Bengals:
Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma

22 Patriots:
Charles Brown, T, USC.

23 Packers:
Mike Iupati, G, Idaho.

24 Eagles:
Everson Griffen, DE, USC

25 Ravens:
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State.

26 Cardinals:
Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas.

27 Cowboys:
Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida

28 Chargers:
Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee.

29 Jets:
Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU

30 Vikings:
Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers

31 Colts:
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State.

32 Saints:
Brian Price, DT, UCLA.

by oddthomas on Mar 14, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Golden Tate...

seems like a huge reach…

by makola on Mar 14, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm we're the 9ers not the Lions of old

Why after taking Crabtree at 10 would you pick a WR in the first round? I have a feeling that a lot of people would be calling for Sing and McC’s head after that pick unless he ends up being extra special great. The Skins (headed by Mike “Oh yeah defense..I almost forgot…” Shanahan btw) picking up a safety at 4 with Okung and Clausen staring them/him in the face seems very atypical of the coach and the owner. Especially when S is like their 5th to 7th biggest need. Bill Parcells letting his guys pick a WR that high in the first would mean he’s gone senile or been kidnapped. Especially when there’s Weatherspoon, Graham and Dan Williams around amongst other players of need.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I realize Crabtree was also takin in the first last year, does that mean that they cant take one again? Also you would probably have to wait 3 years or so before Tate would be great. So i think in that case McC and Sing both would take the pice to ensure thier jobs for at least years :p

As far as the Skins go they need a Safty bad (in my opinion). And you are right my opinion to the Redskins doesnt matter, but what does matter is Berry being the thrid best player in this draft.

And for the Dolphins are you saying they cant take a WR in the 1st that high because of Parcells. Hmm i think people (maybe not here) said the same thing about Crabtree to the Niners last year. The Dolphins offense calls for playmakers and Spllier will already be gone, otherwise theyd be taken him.

by oddthomas on Mar 14, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow the last sentence in bad its meant to say " McC and Sing both would take the pick to ensure their jobs for at least three years." :p

by oddthomas on Mar 14, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Parcells in case you didn't know...

is the guy who calls the shots on these things. And I’m also saying that they are still stinging from taking Ted Ginn at pick 9. Parcells is the boss of the GM and the coach so yes I am saying they can’t because of Parcells. Crabtree versus Dez Bryant with his negatives are not comparable at least in my mind.

And again the 9ers picking up another WR would not ensure Sing and McC’s job security but put it at more of a risk.

 And the Skins have Laron Landry (a 25 year old that ESPN has ranked as the 7th best safety in the league).

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

49ers taking a WR i round 1 would only happen if Bryant is there at 17, IMHO.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

And a bit doubtful even there

IMHO. Plus do we want to have to deal with that agent again? And Deion for that matter? LOL

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

No kiddin’ plus it is time that Morgan be the official number 2. Hopefully he is workin with Crabs on his route running. If we add a WR it will be one with kr/pr in his resume.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rlott

I respect your opinion on this, i have to disagree. The Niners WRs outside of Crabtree are terrible. (IMO) Morgan is average at best. Tate is an upgrade at WR, and Smith needs weapons.

by oddthomas on Mar 14, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree they are in no way the best

but I think we can pick up some guys in later round to help Crabs and picking another guy that high the year after getting him wouldn’t exactly make him feel that at ease (suppose for good and bad). I guess we are all agreeing to disagree here. :-)

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather take Bey Bey thomas later or even barnes or S Williams

Taking a WR in the first round would be OUT OF CONTROL because we have how many on the roster?

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Morgan was a 6th rounder. I think it just goes to show that we don’t need to use a 1st rounder on a #2 WR. We could easily find one in 3rd-4th round.

by hudd07 on Mar 15, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or later even

There’s some really nice guys in the 5-6th rounds.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 15, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Upside kill reality

People get lost in the upside and possibilities of players. If we are being realistic, we won’t be finding our future playmaking WR in 5-6th. Morgan has issues, and that’s why he went in 6th. If we want our Moss, or our Marshall, etc…it will be in first 3-4 rounds.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on how you feel about Tate

Me?
I’d rather draft a guy like Gilyard in the 2nd or 3rd that will also return punts/kicks.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Gilyard fills our Kr/Pr needs and then we don’t have to draft Spiller.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only saw him return punts

Not sure about kickoffs.

I thought Gilyard was a better returner though, and Gilyard will most likely be drafted after Tate.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

no comparison here

Tate is better in space and faster.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Mar 21, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He still isn't worth our 17th overall, and won't bearound for 49th.

If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts

1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sing was at Gilyard's pro day.

Not sure if he was at Tate’s.

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by Eastbayjim on Mar 22, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are different players

I see Tate as a “move the chains” type of guy with good YAC.
I see Gilyard as a game-changer because of his “explosiveness”

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the only WR taken by the 49ers in the first 4 rounds would be a KR/PR

Sing already said he wants multiple options at KR/PR and he is currently scouting them.. in their pro days and at the combine.

Hill, Morgan and even Jones are good WRs and without Battle and Bruce those 3 will get an opportunity to grow. Jones looked very good until he got hurt last season.. and then just couldn’t work his way back into the lineup.. that does not mean that they think less of him.

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by Eastbayjim on Mar 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Odrick have MPD? :-)

He’d have to if he’s gonna play for both the Steelers and the Cowboys.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah. I think it might be too, but i do believe Tate is the best WR in this draft. I know people like Bryant, but hes been out of football for a whole year. So i think he will come right in and play with Crabtree, Morgan and Bruce.

by oddthomas on Mar 14, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Pssst reply button is your friend.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 4:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also Bruce retired.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not officially

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well we know that it is going to happen.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why hasn't he filed his papers?

Seems weird to me.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he is going to sign with the Rams for a day so he retires as a Ram.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll see what happens, I guess.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not like he was the backbone of our offense. Doesn’t really affect us to much maybe he is procastonating like I am doing with the selective service.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

selective service?

Just fill out a paper at the post office.
It only takes like 5 mins.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did mine over the internet the day after I turned 18. You can only hold it off for so long before it becomes a crime to not sign up.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
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Eat Shitake!

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 15, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

but they’ll send you a few notices first. I actually did FAFSA (federal student aid app) and Voter Reg, so maybe that had something to do with it, but I actually just had to check a box on a letter they sent me and mail it back.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 15, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is this based on?

Tate had one good year.
Dez Bryant has owned since he set his foot on the field.

It’s one thing to say that Tate could become the best WR out of this year’s draft and another to say that he’s already the best.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok then.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t draft a guy in the first round solely out of potential. Look at the other picks in the first round. At the very least they will be mediocre starters.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think when you draft you are drafting solely off of potential. You nor I nor anybody has any idea of what kind of player any of these guys will be until later.

by oddthomas on Mar 14, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know the basic on how someone will turn out. Suh for example will be a great player or at the worst an average player. IMO if you draft someone it should be based on the fact of what would happen at the worst he can be not the potential. That is how you get a team of busts. On top of that first round picks should be a starter as soon as they join. Unless they are a QB then you develop them.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 9:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You also take college production into consideration

It’s why Suh and McCoy are being touted as better prospects than JPP (different positions, I know) even though JPP has a much higher ceiling than those two.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

1 Rams – Sam Bradford QB Okla. – Although Suh is the best prospect on the board, I feel that the Rams will choose to select their QBOTF, unless they plan on being the worst team in the league next season.

2 Lions – Russell Okung LT Ok St. – The Lions have a need at the LT in my opinion. Stafford ending the season on IR is a huge problem. Their current LT has given up an average of 10 sacks a season since he was resigned 3 years ago.

3 Bucs – Ndamokung Suh – The gem of the draft falls in the lap of the Bucs. Although Suh could still be the choice for 1 overall, in my current mock, he falls to 3rd due to the direction of the teams selecting before them.

4 Redskins – Bryan Bulaga LT Iowa – Clausen could be the pick here, but I think Shanahan will take a later round pick for a QB, since they will invest a lot of money at the pick.

5 Chiefs – Rolando McClain ILB Alabama – Before I was thinking Berry would go at this pick, but the Chiefs aren’t in a position to even make a selection here. It’s not about money, it is more about the several holes in their defense. They select a field general that can be the QB on the defense.

6 Seahawks – Jimmy Clausen QB ND – The Seahawks have no backup to an up-in-age QB that is injury prone, the Seahwks choose their QBOTF in Clausen.

7 Browns – Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma – Browns get to upgrade a woeful DL with their first selection of the draft. This is truly unexpected as he falls into their lap at pick 7.

8 Raiders – Bruce Campbell OT Maryland – The Raiders may be moving in the right direction keeping a coach around, Al Davis will still take the most athletic prospect at whatever position he is drafting for.

9 Bills – Anthony Davis OT Rutgers – The Bills have more holes in their OL than the Niners, and that is sad. Davis is the best option on the board for LT, IMO.

10 Jaguars – Dan Williams DT Tennessee – Although the other Volunteer is still on the board, the Jags need to get back to what worked for them, no one runs against us and everyone has to pass. The DT’s in this draft are a lot thinner than safety and or CB and the Jags wait to address their passing defense.

11 Broncos (CHI) – Dez Bryant WR Ok St. – I feel the Broncos will eventually find a suiter for Brandon Marshall and elect to take, arguably, the most dynamic WR in the draft in Bryant. Although the Broncos should address defense their coach is offensive minded and very ignorant.
 
12 Dolphins – Brandon Graham OLB Michighan – Parcels can’t believe Berry has fallen, but he can not ignore a pass rush monster that can get up the field and stop the run. Graham will be the replacement for the departing Porter.

13 49ers – Eric Berry S Tennessee – Two years in a row, the top player on their board falls in their lap. The football gods are smiling over Singletary’s head.

14 Seahawks (DEN) – Charles Brown LT USC – Seahawks choose to address the OL with this pick, assuming they want their veteran and heir apparet Qb to be held upright, with the departure of Walter Jones.

15 Giants – Everson Griffin DE USC – after his 4.66 40 at DE of the 4-3.

16 Titans – Sean Weatherspoon OLB Mizzou – Although the lost of VanDenBosch is big to the Titans, they are never unequipped with backup DE’s. With Bulluck up in age and possibly on the way out of town the Titans draft his replacement in Weatherspoon.

17 49ers (CAR) – CJ SPiller RB Clemson- The 49ers war room is doing the madman rain dance as they have Berry and Spiller to add to their 2010 roster. COP back with tremendous upside, the Niners land the highest impact players on offense and defense in the first.

18 Steelers – Joe Haden CB Florida – Although the Steelers CB’s don’t usually have talent, IMO, they have Haden fall in their lap. They can draft their NT of the future, or next prospect in the second round.

19 Falcons – Derrick Morgan DE G TECH – Falcons added their feature CB with Robinson, then thy boster the pass rush in the draft, watch out for the Falcons as Morgan will bolster the pass rush and run defense.

20 Texans – Kyle Wilson CB Boise St. The Texans replace Robinson, as they welcomed his departure. I almost used B Price from UCLA here to help with the PR and run defense, but when your achilles heel is the Colts, you have to pay attention to the DB’s.
21 Bengals – Jermaine Gresham TE Okla. I really hope the Bengals are not considering using Matt Jones as a TE, that would be a huge mistake. they need a safety valve for their struggling QB and anemic offense. After this pick they can focus on stopping the run and the deep ball.

22 Patriots – Mike Iupati OG Idaho – The Pats have issues up front, and have aging G’s on the line. They easily select the best G in the draft.

23 Packers – Trent Williams T Okla. – The Packers address an aging OL from the B Favre era, and are gonna try to protect their QB who is on the rise.

24 Eagles – Earl Thomas S Texas – The Eagles have a need at CB but usually have a young prospect waiting for the oppurtunity. They opt to take a safety with coverage ability that can play man or zone in their blitz crazy scheme.

25 Ravens – Taylor Mays S USC – What better player to learn from Ed Reed and Ray Lewis. Mays in his first season will be used as a new type of safety, seeing LB playing time in the Nickel and pissibly in other sets. He will be the heir apparent to Mr Reed on this stellar defense.

26 Cardinals – Jason Pierre Paul DE/OLB S Flo. – The Cards need help on the OL and need MORE help with thier pass rush. The best athletic speciman at the position falls to them sice the Raiders made a pick for OL.

27 Cowboys – Terrance Cody NT Ala. – The Cowboys run defense and pass rush get more help with adding Mount Cody to the mix. Ratliff can move to the position he started from and will be just as vicious with Cody swallowing two defenders.

28 Chargers – Ryan Matthews RB Fresno St – Chargers need to make some changes to their RB situation. the loss of LT before the choice of the heir apparent wil hurt them drastically this season.

29 Jets – Golden Tate WR ND – The Jets are going to add weapons to assist Sanchise the best they can, especially since they addressed their CB issue in free agency.

30 Vikings – Brandon Spikes ILB Florida – With injuries to their LB core for two seasons in a row the Vikings opt for Henderson’s replacement as injuries continue to plague him.

31 Colts – Mike Pouncey G Florida – The colts bolster their interior pass pro and running abiltiy, with the departure of Lilja the Colts inherit one of the better guards in the draft.

32 Saints – Brian Price DT UCLA – The interior of the Saints run D is always being shredded. With Price not only are they adding a presence vs the run, they are also adding a presence vs the pass.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Dude I love your mock. Of course I only read to 7 then skipped to 13. It made me do the happy dance. I’ll read the rest of the mock soon.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL Sweet! :-)

Not so sure about McCoy falling that far and interesting you have both Davis and Charlie Brown going before Williams. But really it’s kinda logical And if it turned out like that for us I wouldn’t be complainin’. :-) You thinking Veldheer or Safford in the second? Or are you thinking more go CB and get a later OT? Pouncey will get good tutelage for his eventual place as the center of the Colts from Jeff Saturday.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw a couple write-ups (can't remember where now) where they mentioned the 49ers taking Safford in the 2nd

apparently he is a good RT and more.

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by Eastbayjim on Mar 14, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at it any way you want.

If Berry and Spiller were to fall these are the selections, I spent time on the mock and forgot to add my subject as this is a fantasy mock and pretty much the selections that would allow for this to happen.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Don't Get Me Wrong

This would be the most magical draft possible, but if Berry fell this far then there’s a lot of retarded GM’s in the NFL.

by Brodieman on Mar 14, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean like those same GMs passing on Crabtree in 2009?

I can see Berry falling as a lot of teams may not want to pay top money for a Safety.

Also, if rlott#42 wants to conjure up this fantasy.. I am all for it.. and will put it on my vision board for the 2010 draft.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does it appear to be realistic, I thought it was....

Here I am wishing Drew K was here for once!!

LOL..JK

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

JK? You mean you don't wish Drew was here?

LOL
I understand..or smiley or both of them. It seems kinda viable. I mean you didn’t go and say something like the Colts having Suh fall to them or something like that and you gave viable reasons for your picks.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's always good to have opinions from the guys who are most opinionated.

Drew and smileyman and also chikmagnet, I need you all to chime in.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a reasonable opinion

Why are the Chiefs reaching for McClain? I understand you saying they would want a “QB for the defense” but I would see Berry filling that characteristic just as well, and being a more productive player.

by Brodieman on Mar 14, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

cheifs wouldn’t pick berry or McCoy, but they would reach for a LT before taking a ILB in the top 5. Either way, berry still falls.

interesting mock. every pick makes sense except for the jags (althought I see your reasoning), I think they go pass rush and won’t pick a safety anyway.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 14, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they look to help an aging Henderson, since they traded his couterpart, or released him to the bills.

That defense has not been able to stop the run since they let go of Stroud. The Passing defense was like the Steelers, when the pass rush left, it did too.

At least I didn’t have Tebow in the top 12 to make it happen….lol

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chief fans would disagree with you there.

by TexansDC on Mar 14, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Te's and RB's is what I heard kills them. I could be wrong.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chiefs cannot stop the run. you can get a film rat like McClain to run your defense like Ray Lewis.

He can’t hit as hard but he has coverage skills and can read plays well. This will do more for their run d and pass defense than berry.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are the chances

That the Cheifs draft Gerald McCoy if he falls to them?
I would ROTFLMAO if they did.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why am I missing something.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

that would be glenn dorsey in 2008 (DT/3-4 de), tyson jackson in 2009 (DE) then gerald mccoy in 2010 (DT/3-4 DE)

by hellaninersfan on Mar 14, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh then you can use that same arguement with the Rams. So Rams will probably take Bradford or they trade down.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 9:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Except that the Rams took Jason Smith last year (still a lineman though).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rams should have such a good DLine.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 10:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

SHOULD

But they don’t.

The same can be said about the Chiefs.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not if you look at the reason for passing.

Chiefs should be thining MCClain IMO, then the Jags shouldbe thinking of getting back to their style of stufing the run with their front 4 and getting to the passer with them as well. Browns have one of the worst front 3’s out of all 3-4 defenses.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have always wondered about the Chiefs

I mean I can’t see Pioli going for a safety at that high a pick but maybe I’m reading him under Belichick’s influence?

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

he reached for tyson jackson over aaron curry last year. positional value is huge to him.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 14, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep and...

eric berry is a safety. So not sure how big he’ll be at taking him there.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry wasn’t a reach? There may have been pre-draft hype about him but his rookie season certainly didn’t seem like #4 overall play.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 14, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

so? all there is on berry is pre-draft hype.

Its basically the same situation. They have a need at a high value position, but the BPA is at a low value position. Last year they drafted for need.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 14, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree on the Jags

They need to get back to having some pressure on the offense.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The picks selected and the reasoning are all just.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not entirely a fantasy

I’d say that there is no chance that the Broncos and Dolphins both pass on Berry, but I think the 49ers could trade for Berry if he fell to No.10

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broncos have Dawkins for a couple more years and he is decent. They could select a safety in the lower rounds and train him up to be a starter.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Dawkins isn’t going to be around forever and drafting a guy like Berry takes care of that position for a long time.

They could also select an ILB in the 2nd round (D. Washington) to replace A. Davis, there is also depth at WR (Damian Williams in the 2nd).
The drop off from Eric Berry to, say, Morgan Burnett is huge.
But the drop off from Rolando McClain to Daryl Washington isn’t that bad.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I mean later I meant in the 5-7 round. Those guys are project players so you have room for leeway with them.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 10:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I picked Bryant because of the offensive style coach. Especially with the Marshall issues, they could easily passon Berry for a stud WR.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could happen.

I still see them ranking Berry higher than Bryant on their board and taking him even if both are available.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it but why would we pass on Iupati when we have a whole at LG.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 4:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

We are bringing in a veteran Guard and If you noticed I passed on a RT which is a bigger need.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

What veteran guard are you thinking of?

Just making sure I’m following you.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought they brought one in to look at but hadn't signed him yet.

They also tendered Baas, and Snyder can play G as well.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Pitts

and I’d love(well like) to get him. Thought maybe you’d seen they’d gotten him and I missed it.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I ignore RT because of the two RT in the second round that we can have.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 5:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Calloway, Valdheer and Saffold are options.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gil Brandt on Sirius NFL Radio

has been speaking Veldheer’s praises for a while now. Speaking of Gil, is he up for HOF this year? I can’t remember. I know that the D Coord for the Steelers (name curiously not coming to me at the moment for some reason) is up for it.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I LOVE THIS MOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Getting both Berry and Spiller in the first and then our future RT in the 2nd… NICE

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 14, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

And what about the Texan's pick?

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your signatures are really key, lol

I don’t disagree with it. I think it’s fairly likely to happen (him, or Williams/Price) barring a horrible Pro Day for Wilson.

Your mock’s pretty good. I only think a few picks up top may switch around which may land the Niners with Brandon Graham. Somehow I will try to hide my frustration if that were to happen…lol

by TexansDC on Mar 14, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spiller and Berry in round 1

Then Calloway, Valdheer, or Saffold in the 2nd?
Jerry OG in the 3rd?
CB in 4
DE in 5th and so on and so on. Plus they will add some depth in UDFA.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

My OG's I'm liking around now

are Mitch Petrus in the and also keeping an eye on Marshall Newhouse in the 5th. Wouldn’t mind Jerry at all, would like to get two CB’s personally in this draft. Some of the lower guys I’m looking at are Ansah, Myron Lewis, and AJ Jefferson. DE/DT’s and a WR (or two) in the later (5th on) rounds. We’ll have two picks in the 6th (one compensatory) and 2 picks in the 7th now. Trying to figure out where AJ Jefferson might land seen him high and low.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Cirion Black. He has trouble in open space so he can be a gaurd. I would take Iupati in the first but if not him then Black in the 4th or 5th.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like...

Calloway in the 2nd, best RT that’s an actual RT on the board.

Petrus OG or Ansah CB, Petrus showed amazing strength at the combine tying the record for most reps. Ansah is a CB I’ve been talking about a lot, now that he’s shown his impressive skills off more he’s jumped up from the 4th to the 3rd round.

An OG or CB in the 4th depending on what we pick in the 3rd.

Then the rest on adding more depth with possible upside players. If this draft were to play out like this I would be doing back flips.

by Brodieman on Mar 14, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all but Calloway

And kinda agree on that. I like Petrus alot and been singing Ansah’s praise probably as long as you have. LOL
Also looking at AJ Jefferson gotta love a guy with 4.43 speed and 44 inch vertical especially having to go against Fitzgerald twice a year.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somehow getting both Spiller and Berry doesn’t seem humanly possible. There would be dancing in the streets if we drafted both.

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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 14, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

My dream first round would be Berry and Iupati. A RT selected in round 2. Gillyard in the 3rd. Basically we fill our OL holes, our Safety spot and our Kr/Pr problem.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Id rather Areanas over Gillyard.

by oddthomas on Mar 14, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could we convert Arenas to play WR because we need to add depth to that spot.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 9:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tough choice.

I’d side with Gilyard though, because he’s actually a good WR, (Arenas isn’t a good CB) even though he doesn’t have Arena’s return skills.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rlott I am really feeling those picks man...

If we can get Berry, Spiller, Valdheer, & Jerry I would be doing backflips! Well I would break my neck but that is what I would try to. Not sure we get lucky again and have those 2 drop to us like crabtree did last year but stranger things have happen.

by 49er fan for life on Mar 15, 2010 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

How long do you think Brandon Ghee is going to be around? I’d be all for those picks in the 1st, second, and third, if Patrick Robinson isn’t there in the second and Ghee isn’t there in the third. One more WR would be pretty nice too, but I guess you can’t solve all your problems in one draft, this draft would be about as close as you can get to doing that.

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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 15, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

CB in 4th....

I think taking a DE in the 5th is a waste considering all the wasted space we already have on the DL. I’d say to grab a S in the 4th to groom for a year or two and then grab a CB in the 5th. Thurmond falling to the 5th would be nice because it offers some KR/PR options outside of Spiller. I’d just rather shore up safety this year since we still have Clements and can potentially use a high pick on CB next year.

by 9thevolution on Mar 16, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You may as well be upset now. The Niners need a LE in the Nickel, and they will draft one.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brooks....

Brooks lines up at LE in Nickel pass rush situations, if I remember correctly? And they would likely use another OLB pass rusher to do that if Brooks isn’t retained.

by 9thevolution on Mar 17, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

No he doesn't

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

huh? Pretty sure we use our OLB as ends in Nickel Package don’t we?

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

We didn't use Brooks.

We used Haralson, Lawson, McDonald and Balmer and none of them were sucessful.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

They liked to use Brooks, Smith, McDonald and Haralson on the D-line in passing situations (near the end of the season).
Lawson and brooks rotated.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

At LE? The discussion is LE not RE.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure Lawson and Brooks were at RE (4-man line)

Lined up against the LT.

Although I did see Brooks lined up on the RT a few times.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

evidently none of y'all read my sack tracker

We used Brooks as the Nickel DE later in the season along with Haralson. Prior to that it was always Haralson and Lawson.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Mar 21, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didn't get much pressure either

If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts

1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's kind of what I said.

Brooks and Lawson at RE.

I was trying to say that they rotated.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw him mostly at RE

On passing downs.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

None of the players we used got any pressure

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

So how did we get sacks?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Out of the Nickel smart ass

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what we were talking about.
The Niners need a LE in the Nickel

I think they need to replace Sopoaga, but he doesn’t play in the nickel.

Were you referring to Haralson (who plays LE in the nickel)?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

McDonald generally comes in on rushing downs

he’s a better pass russher than Sopoaga is

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by smileyman on Mar 17, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know that.

I’m just trying to figure out what rlott was trying to say.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haralson, Lawson, Balmer, and McDonald all took turns last season.

None of them got pressure.

If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

McDonald did pretty good

I think he does pretty good at getting pressure. Better than Sopoaga anyway, but McDonald isn’t as good in run support as Sopoaga is.

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by smileyman on Mar 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Out of the Nickel?

McDonald did get pressure out of the Nickel, but fom the DT position and not LE.

If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Haralson was hot and cold. He had some really good days and some really bad ones. Lawson was bad. Balmer was just not there.

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by smileyman on Mar 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gracias

If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sopoaga isn't even good in run-support.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's horrid in run support

Basically all he does is keep the O-lineman from moving him around. Granted that’s his primary job as a DE in a 3-4, but when you see someone like Justin Smith on the other side it kind of highlights Sopoaga’s weaknesses.

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by smileyman on Mar 23, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

5 year, $20 million contract extension in 2008

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by smileyman on Mar 26, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

and I don’t think his production deserved a $20 million contract

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by smileyman on Mar 26, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely not....

Though I was hopeful that he would improve and be successful. It just hasn’t happened and it’s been too long.

by 9thevolution on Mar 26, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 28, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

McDonald did get pressure occasionally

I agree with about the others though.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Filling in the holes for the rest of the Niner's picks. :-)

Was working on a draft and well your top two can’t be beat LOL so I’ll piggy back off it.
FA Moves: Franchise A. Franklin, Pick up Carr as backup QB, pick up Chester Pitts for OG position, trade S. Hill for 7th rounder (pick 218), resign Barry Sims to two year contract.

Pick 13 S Eric Berry
Pick 24 RB/RS CJ Spiller
Pick 57 OT Roger Saffold
Pick 80 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah
Pick 114 OG Mitch Petrus
Pick 147 ILB Pat Angerer (Get Jamar Chaney instead if he happens to be available.)
Pick 158 WR David Gettis
Pick 159 CB Myron Lewis or AJ Jefferson or DT/DE Linval Joseph
Pick 185 WR Freddie Barnes or OG Marshall Newhouse or OC/OG Eric Olsen
Pick 209 DE Clifton Geathers or TE Michael Hoomanawanui
                    Pick 218 OC Jon Estes or perhaps DT/DE Earl Mitchell from Arizona
Pick 228 OLB Dexter Davis or CB David Pender (if didn’t get Ansah and either Myron Lewis or AJ Jefferson)

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please note

A. the picks are with compensatories filled in based off of Draftsite.com
B. The 209-228 picks any of those players available could be good at any of those late sixth and 7th round picks.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our pick for Hill is in 2011

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darn!

I keep forgettig that…wonder if it’s conditional because it’s gonna go up if he hits certain marks

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

???

Dunno

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read 2012 conditional pick.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 9:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

2011

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

No like we get a 2012 pick if he does well.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 10:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nope

Only a 7th in 2011

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look good lott

Of course I don’t agree with all of it but you put a lot of thought in to it… you can tell.

I dont think Bradford will go number one.

I don’t think there is much of a chance of McCoy falling to the Browns.

I think that we will get lucky enough to get Spiller and Berry.

And I think that the Saints will have to replace Fujita with that pick there at the end.

Other than those things though, I think the rest is reasonable.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 15, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

pardon me, I meant I DONT think that we will get lucky enough to get Spiller and Berry.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 15, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked the sentence

better the way you had it the first time LOL

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 15, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do too… the odds are not in our favor for that to happen though

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 15, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anything can happen it is the NFL.

by manraj7 on Mar 15, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

except the fall of Berry

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 15, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Alex Smith becomes better then an average NFL QB.

by manraj7 on Mar 16, 2010 8:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

This could happen...

depending on the system and the weapons in place. Certainly not a HOFer, but he could certainly be better than average.

by 9thevolution on Mar 17, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know I should have titled it fan favorite mock!!

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 15, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wont happen

but I can say I would be doing the madman rain dance if it did happen. Thats a dream come true honestly. but the likeliness of it coming out that way… probably not so much

by SuspendingBJ on Mar 17, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assuming OT's Go High In Draft Due To Needs

1 Rams – QB- Sam Bradford
2 Lions – DT- Ndamukong Suh
3 Bucs – DT- Gerald Mccoy
4 Redskins – OT- Russell Okung
5 Chiefs – OT- Anthony Davis
6 Seahawks – QB- Jimmy Clausen
7 Browns – WR- Dez Bryant
8 Raiders – OT- Brian Bulaga
9 Bills – OT- Bruce Campbell
10 Jaguars – DL- Jason Pierre Paul
11 Broncos (CHI) – G- Mike Iupati
12 Dolphins – LB- Rolando Mcclain
13 49ers – FS- Eric Berry
14 Seahawks (DEN) OT Trent Williams
15 Giants – CB- Joe Haden
16 Titans – DE- Derek Morgan
17 49ers (CAR) – RB- CJ Spiller
18 Steelers – DE- Everson Griffin
19 Falcons – S- Taylor Mays
20 Texans – CB- Kyle Wilson
21 Bengals – TE- Jermaine Greshem
22 Patriots – DL- Jared Odrick
23 Packers – DB- Earl Thomas
24 Eagles – DL- Brian Price
25 Ravens – WR- Golden Tate
26 Cardinals – LB- Sergio Kindle
27 Cowboys – DT- Terrence Cody
28 Chargers – RB- Ryan Matthews
29 Jets – DE- Brandon Graham
30 Vikings – DT- Dan Williams
31 Colts – DE- Ricky Sapp
32 Saints LB- Brandon Spikes

49ers picks
1. FS- Eric Berry
1. RB- CJ Spiller
2. OT- Charles Brown
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas
4. CB- Donovan Warren
5. G- Sergio Render
6. DE- Jermaine Cunningham
6. LB- Cameron Sheffield
7. WR- Trindon Holliday

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 14, 2010 6:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Iupati at 11?? I thought they needed defensive help or more WR's.

How is there OL anyways?

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It Isn't Too Great

They are going to lose Ben Hamilton to Free agency and have not attempted to re-sign him. Orton was only sacked 29 times, but was under pressure on numerous occasions, his mobility helped a lot in regards to the sack total. Ryan Clady is a great player at the tackle position, but they are missing a real good guard. Hochstein and Kuper a decent, but nothing to right home about. Iupati is as sure as they come in this draft, he is going to be a great offensive linemen for the next decade or so. Playing tackle at the Senior Bowl has helped his stock. You are right they need a WR, but with Bryant off the board at 7 there really isn’t a WR worthy of the 11 slot. Plus they could go after another WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. Remember they do have Eddie Royal and Brandon Lloyd. Also it has been stated that they will not trade Brandon Marshall for anything less than a 1st round pick or possibly a 2nd and 3rd round tandem. If that is the case Marshall may indeed remain a Bronco in 2010.

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 14, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tbh I would take Spiller if we could get Berry.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 7:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep they need a C and a guard

In fact NFL Draft Scout has C as their biggest need. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/team-needs/AFC/West?tag=pageRow;pageContainer

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the order they have

10 is big big need C (10) G (8) WR (8) TE (6) QB (5) ILB and OLB (4)

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd place ILB as a bigger need than TE, WR, and QB.

It’s not Eddie Royal’s fault that his coach is inept.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

good to know

This was a good mock, I know Berry could slip, but it’s nt likely, but who is to say.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 14, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok..tried to find some..

“dude you’re way out on a limb there” or “man are you freaking living in delusion city?” but not a one in there. Could they pick those? Yep they could. Not sure I like your draft for us after LOL but some interesting points. Not sure I like Charles Brown as an RT and not sure Bey Bey falls to the 3rd, would love if it did happen. Donovan Warren is not bad but I like the tall fast CB’s myself Ansah, Myron Lewis, AJ Jefferson, want to get two of those myself. Also with Spiller and if we get Ansah and Jefferson I don’t see any need for Trindon Holliday. This one kid I saw on NFL Draft Scout is interesting but would be a UDFA most probably and a real project player. He’s 6’2" 197 lbs and runs a 4.28 40. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1685524?tag=pageRow;pageContainer

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did an entire 7 round mock

but will not post it on here, too long. So to address your questions.

First off, Arizona and Green Bay at the end of the 1st do need offensive linemen, but i had them going with value instead In regards to Washington at the start of the 2nd, they will go with Pouncey instead. I also believe that Roger Saffold may actually surpass Charles Brown in the draft, if not you can change the Brown pick with Saffold. Bey Bey is injured and does have a history of minor tweaks, so i can easily see him falling to the 3rd. Those corners you mentioned will be around in the 6th round or so. I would not reach on them in the 4th. Donovan Warren was a projected 1st round pick before his horrible 40 time, and i believe that the 40 time is not a good indicator of whether or not he is going to be a good pro. I really like Warren in the 4th, but would take Perrish Cox instead, if he were to fall to the 4th. In regards to Holliday, dude it is the 7th round, your going to be taking projects pure and simple in that round. Plus it is always good to have a lot of athletes to play special teams

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but... :-)

my projects are better for us than your projects! LOL J/K I understand and wouldn’t be crushed with Holliday, he might end up being a nice lil present. :-) Yeah I’m just not a big fan for Brown, much prefer Saffold or Veldheer, as far as the CB’s Ansah is pegged on most sited to go around 3-4 and Myron probably 4-5 and Jefferson 5-6. I like Warren and really like Cox too. Wouldn’t be crushed with that draft you presented at all. We each have our own choices and our own "pets’ LOL

Good Job!

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and Jefferson

Ran a 4.43 40 and had a 44" vertical at the combine LOL part of the reason I like him. He can for sure match Fitz jump for jump.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Filling Needs and Living Dreams...

1A) Eric Berry, S
Duh

1B) Mike Iaputi, OG
I know this is a reach but picking the hands down, best OG in this draft seems like a pretty big OL boost. Especially with Chilo Rachad being, well, himself.

2) Kyle Calloway, RT
He is one of the best options for a true RT out of the draft. He’s use to playing there so why not keep him there and upgrade us at RT,

3) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB/KR
Getting more speed at the CB position and getting a great ST returner.

4) Jordan Shipley, WR
This kid is going to be our Wes Welker. Good speed, a return man as well, and great hands. If Eric Berry didn’t fall to us I would say this kid is the best steal.

5) Joshua Moore, CB
Adding another young CB here adds more depth and more youth. This kid had a pretty monstrous 2008 and a decent 2009. Makes me think that he would make an exceptional CB in the NFL. In 2 years he recorded 145 Tackles and 5 Interceptions. Not too shabby.

6) Lindsey Witten, OLB
A true 3-4 OLB with a lot of talent. He’s listed as a DE on ESPN and recorded 44 Tackles and 11 Sacks last year.

7) Best DE available.

by Brodieman on Mar 14, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Just checked a few sites

and they have Calloway at like the 120’s 130’s area. Nice picks but as I’m one of the first ones that jumped on the Spiller bandwagon I’d have to shout out for him at that 1b ..though I wouldn’t kneel before the TV crying if we got Iupati instead LOL
I really like Ansah (and as I’ve mentioned Myron Lewis and AJ Jefferson) I prefer the tall and fast CB’s to play against guys like Fitz and such in this league. Ansah is a real ball hawk too

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best first round draft

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 10:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

This would be money!

Though Berry may not slip to us at 13, these first day picks would improve both sides of the ball.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Mar 15, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Niner Picks

In a perfect world, this is how I dream the 49ers draft ends up:

1(13) – Joe Haden CB – If Haden falls to 13, the 49ers would be wise to select him, or trade the pick to Houston for the 20th selection and Houston’s 81st selection in the 3rd round. Likewise, if Rolando McClain falls to this spot, I’d like to see San Francisco entertain a similar trade offer for Pittsburgh’s 18th pick and 82nd selection. I think Haden has the better chance of falling, but I won’t hold my breath on the 49ers making a trade out of this spot.

1(17) – CJ Spiller RB – I can live with the first round investmen in a RB at pick 17. Heck, even at 13 I’d be ok with it, if Haden, McClain or Bulaga is off the board. I’m not as high on Trent Williams here anymore, because he doesn’t project well as an NFL level RT (he lacks nastiness).

2(49) – Vladimir Ducasse RT – I like him better than the Div II prospect (Veldeer) because Ducasse has G experience at UMass and was a starting RT in college. While Veldeer is massive (6’8, 315), I think he’s better suited for LT due to his athleticism. You can likely flip a coin between the two when San Francisco’s pick rolls around (they should both be on the board).

3(79) – John Jerry OG – This guy made the SEC First Team, and why he isn’t projected for Round 2 confuses me. Jerry is an absolute beast and can likely be a valuable, versatile OL in the NFL that can play guard or tackle.

4 * – Major Wright FS – Could’ve stayed in school but opted to enter the draft. I think in 2011 he would be 1-2 round selection. Luckily, the draft is pretty deep in safeties, and a guy like Wright can be had later on. The 49ers can ease Wright into the system, and can always move Goldson over to SS if Michael Lewis’ concussion problems persist.

5 * – Brandon Carter OG – Hey, what can I say? I’m a Texas Tech fan, and I painted my face when I played ball too. It never hurts to have animals on the OL, and Carter is certainly an animal. With the immediate impact Louis Vasquez made in his rookie season, teams shouldn’t fear taking Red Raider OL anymore.

6 * – Brandon Sharpe OLB – You can officially call me a Red Raider slappy, but Sharpe had a monster senior season for TT. Will Sharpe be around in Round 6? I hope so. I’d be ok with the team taking Sharpe in Round 5 and risking Carter slipping to Round 6. Either way, I’d like to see San Francisco end up with a Red Raider on draft day, and both of these guys are pretty good.

7 * – David Gettis WR – Big receiver with speed, why the heck not? The Baylor product comes from the same school as Coach Sing, although I doubt that will play in the decision to draft him. Gettis didn’t put up big numbers in his collegiate career, having scored just 4 TDs, but his size (6’3, 216) and 40 time (4.4) are definite pluses.

  • - cannot determine overall number until compensatory selections are awarded.

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 14, 2010 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Ew

I don’t like any of your picks. I’m tired will
post reasons tomorrow. And when I mean any of your picks I meant the first two rounds.

by manraj7 on Mar 14, 2010 10:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ducasse's stock plummited due to being a turnstyle at the senior bowl and practices. he also is being rated higher at guard than RT.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 15, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's what I get

for not paying close attention to this offseason. Veldheer hasn’t really had much competition though, so I can’t say I’d be thrilled with a Div II prospect in round 2. I suppose I’m not that concerned about it though, just as long as the team walks away with 2-3 quality OL out of this draft.

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 15, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounding like Saffold is the safest 2nd rounder

for RT. And Calloway sounding like the safest 3rd to 4th rounder. I do like Veldheer a lot but I can see your point. Again Gil Brandt (who pretty much knows drafting LOL) speaks glowingly of him. Just noting that, for good or bad.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 15, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ducasse

I wouldn’t give up on him as a prospect so easily. The Senior Bowl was around the same time the earthquake in Haiti happened. Not to hard to believe that he was distracted as his immediate family (Father, Sister, Grandmother) were down there in the wreckage. Thankfully his family is alright, but his grandmother’s home was destroyed, so you could imagine that he’s going to make that extra effort to keep his job.

I’ve also read in an interview that Brandon Graham said that Ducasse was the toughest linemen he faced at the senior bowl. Even though there are reports that Graham owned Ducasse in position drills.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

I’m sure it would’ve been hard to focus on football when family members were suffering through a disaster.

Ducasse was a projected second rounder, but is he slated to go in the third now?

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 15, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd have to imagine that he's a late 2nd rounder at worst

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 15, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please no!

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Mar 15, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I Like Your Draft

getting Spiller and Haden in the 1st would be a coup, yet the CB draft is incredibly deep this season so you have to ask yourself about value. Warren or Cox in the 4th (still seems like a pipe dream) or Haden in the 1st? Ducasse has continued to fall on the charts and could probably be had in the 3rd, so that value isn’t real good, might be a reach. I do like the selections of Wright and Carter, those could be incredible sleeper picks as both had a lot of success in college, playing against top level competition. You really are not addressing the pass rush need though, I might be inclined to go after a Greg Hardy, Eric Norwood or George Selvie in the 3rd or 4th rounds and grab Olsen later, instead of Jerry.

Overall i pretty good draft and i wouldn’t be upset if this is how it turned out. B+

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 15, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sharpe

was a beast last season, and while he was a college DE, he’ll have to play 3-4 OLB if he wants to make it in the NFL. While it doesn’t address the pass rush immediately (because I’m sure it will take a bit of time for Sharpe to get accustomed) but it doesn’t give the 49ers another potential pass rushing specialist.

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 15, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get it

but wouldn’t Hardy, Norwood or Selvie have more of an immediate impact than Sharpe? I do understand where you are coming from, just wanted to clarify your stance.

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 15, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Norwood at least played LB in college with the Gamecocks, so yeah, I think that would provide a more immediate impact for sure.

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 15, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haden being the best CB is questionable.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Considering he is the best CB on 99% of PROFESSIONAL Sports people’s board.

Just because 99% of this blogging board doesn’t like him, doesn’t change my opinion. He has holes, but my opinion is he has shown in college, he is a cut above the rest of what’s out there. And his 40 time at his pro day showed he has speed.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts

I am not a Haden fan, but would like for them to get Spiller if possible. As others have said I think this is too high for Ducasse but the John Jerry and Major Wright picks look solid. Not sure about the rest but from the 4th round on it is virtually a crapshoot.

by Joshuahss on Mar 15, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Jerry has the athleticism to play RT in the NFL

But I disagree on Trent Williams, I think he’d be a very good RT.

by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mockk 1-4

FA- Atogwe
- I can’t get away from this, I think it would be a huge pick up and really open up the draft.

1a- CJ Spiller
1b- Anthony Davis
- For the past week I have come to believe that this might be IMO the best first round for the niners. Getting a starting RT and a dynamic player in CJ Spiller.

2- Best WR available… Thomas/Lafell/ Gilyard
With grabbing Atogwe allows us to go for three offensive players with the first three picks. This is the offensive boost we need and with the amazing talent we already have this would put us over the top.

3- Best CB available Warren/Thompson
I want to say BPA because this draft has so many good players you never know what kind of talent is going to drop right in our laps. This is where we add some depth in the secondary by adding a CB with potential.

4- OG John Jerry
Or best OG available

For fun…

QB: Alex Smith
RB: Frank Gore/ CJ Spiller

WR1: Micheal Crabtree
WR2: Dymarious Thomas
WR3: Josh Morgan/Jason Hill

TE: Vernon Davis/ Walker

Go ahead Alex just throw it up…

by GMARCH on Mar 15, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure

I like seeing a WR in round 2, or Anthony Davis at 17. What I do like is the idea of OJ Atogwe signing. Although, I would be rather upset if the Niners sign Atogwe and then have Eric Berry staring them in the face at 13. Not likely, I know, but it would be an ironic punch to the groin.

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't Atogwe a RFA?

Then he would cost a 1st or a 2nd?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Rams

put a draft pick tender on him, so they only have a right to match an offer, not receive a draft pick (or picks) in return.

by Andrew Davidson on Mar 15, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

then it is a good deal to get him

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 15, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

but they might match an offer from a division rival. either way we should pursue him.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 15, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or wait until June 1st and see if he is tendered, otherwise Rams can’t match after that date. Doesn’t seem like any teams are in a hurry to snatch up RFAs.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

They put the lowest tender on him.

In June the Rams will have to do one of three things:
1. Pay him like $7 Million for one year under the RFA tender (not likely)
2. Sign him to a long term contract (smartest option)
3. Let him walk (possible)

If No.3 happens, the 49ers can sign him without giving up any draft picks.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rams and Atogwe have been trying to get a long term deal done

for the past 2 seasons. Don’t think it will happen this year.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 15, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you think our chances of getting him are?

Would be nice. :-)

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 15, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

None

The Rams are playing possum. They will wait until he gets an offer and match it, until teams are scared away rom overpaying. Why wouldn’t they want their most productive player? Unless Spags doesn’t want him.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 15, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Atogwe

the FO better put forward the effort of as least trying to get him!!

by GMARCH on Mar 15, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they will

But not until June.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like with us only getting a 7th for Shaun Hill

teams know that the Rams will have to release him or pay the big bucks. Since they didn’t already tender him we know they don’t want to pay the big money

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but they

are going to (possibly) wait till after the draft to do the release. So we are at the draft and are not 100% sure of having even a body at that position. There hand will eventually be forced but so will ours and perhaps other teams.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not entirely

The 49ers likely feel comfortable rolling out Dashon Goldson and Michael Lewis as their staring Safeties for the 2010 season.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 16, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously doubtful that Lewis the starter going in to 2010 considering how much of a liability he was

They will spend a 1st or a 2nd and expect them to start.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 16, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

not sure about a second..

though I could be very wrong. If they go second they probably will go with Nate Allen. Otherwise the other set could go 3rd easily. That’s why the draft is fun it’s so based on changes and the fact that even though you’ve spent months working things out the way the board turns can change things immensely. And then you’re under the gun.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jarius Byrd was a 2nd

And I could see a guy like Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett being effective right of the bat.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think McC thinks Smith is the future at the position.

I have read that he expects Reggie Smith to step up this year, like Goldson did last year. Doubt we use 1st or 2nd rounder on Safety unless Berry is there.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

He did want jarius byrd last year.

McC is not a good GM when it comes to the draft IMO.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well I hope he proves that to be untrue this year

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

I know he wanted Byrd, but he blew us away. I don’t think anyone will blow us away in first two rounds unless it’s Berry or if Mays falls into 2nd. I really think we are ok going into season with Lewis and Smith.

Everything I read, states that McC is expecting Smith to step it up this year, ala goldson last year. He has stated before that his safeties are already on the roster.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fleecing a 1st rounder from the Panthers for a 2nd and 4th to take place in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory seems like good drafting. The huge majority of our starters where drafted by us. Now whether those where Nolan’s picks or McC’s is the debate.

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Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 17, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The coaches love him

The only way I see Lewis out of the starting lineup is if Atogwe is acquired and Goldson moves to SS.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that what it takes be prepared for another season of mediocrity.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

The team finished at 8-8 because the offense was terrible.

I don’t see how having the exact same defensive unit will lead to mediocrity.
If the team fails to break .500 again, it will be because of the offense.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why we need to upgrade the offense

I will point out that some of the games were lost by the defense though.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of

The IND game comes to mind.

I mean, you can’t stop Joseph Addai when the game is on the line?

Makes me wonder if Morefalsehope is on to something…..

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t fall into Darkness chik!

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 17, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defense lost the Vikings game, was abused early and often vs the Falcons and Houston.

Even if the offense produces nil, the defense shouldn’t be a turnstyle.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that one too

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lewis is not going to start. He may come in as a situational guy but nothing more.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who told you this?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

God

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

All he told me was to have a fun St. Pattie's Day..

But he and I rarely talk football, except for when he told me that Berry was going to be taken by the 49ers @ # 13 in the 2010 draft.. and Spiller @ # 17… but what does he know..

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 17, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

He told me to stay away from green beer

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 16, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because in June

Atogwe may be an UNRESTRICTED Free Agent.

Which means the Rams wouldn’t have to be given an opportunity to match the 49ers offer = no overpaying.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can't do that forever

When June rolls around they’ll have to make a decision.
The tender they gave him calls for a ridiculously high salary for 2010 (because he was Franchised last year and he will receive 10% more with a RFA tender).

There is virtually a 0% chance that they pay him his RFA contract.
They’ll have to let him become a UFA or work out a long term deal.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 15, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

They probably want to check his health before any consideration of a long-term deal. That is what I suspect they are doing right now.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

But I really doubt that they’ll be able to work out a long term deal, even if he passes his physical.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

My Springtime xmas LIst

1 Rams – QB- Sam Bradford
2 Lions – DT- Ndamukong Suh
3 Bucs – DT- Gerald McCoy
4 Redskins – FS- Eric Berry
5 Chiefs – OT- Russell Okung
6 Seahawks – QB- Jimmy Clausen
7 Browns – RB- CJ Spiller
8 Raiders – OT- Bruce Campbell
9 Bills – OT- Trent Williams
10 Jaguars- WR- Dez Bryant
11 TRADE with Broncos- Eagles– DE- Derek Morgan
12 Dolphins – DE/ OLB- Jason Pierre Paul
13. TRADE with 49ers– Bengals CB Joe Haden
14 Seahawks – OT- Brian Bulaga
15 Giants – LB- Rolando McClain
16 Titans – DT- Dan Williams 17 – 49ers- G/OT- Mike Iupati
18 Steelers – OT Anthony Davis
19 Falcons- DE- Everson Griffin
20 Texans – S- Taylor Mays
21 TRADE with Bengals- 49ers- DE/OLB- Brandon Graham
22 Patriots – DT- Jared Odrick
23 Packers – OT Roger Saffold
24 TRADE with Eagles- Broncos- C Maurkice Pouncey
25 Ravens – CB Devin McCourty
26 Cardinals – OT Charles Brown
27 TRADE with Cowboys- Jaguars- DE Carlos Dunlap
28 Chargers – RB Ryan Matthews
29 Jets – WR Golden Tate
30 Vikings – CB Kyle Wilson
31 Colts – CB Patrick Robinson
32 Saints- LB Sean Weatherspoon

49ers picks
1. OG/OT- Mike Iupati
1. OLB- Brandon Graham
2. NT Cam Thomas
2. RB/KR Dexter McCluster
3. LB Donald Butler
4. CB/KR Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
5. G- Shawn Lavaou
6. FB- Manase Tonga
6. DE- Jermaine Cunningham

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Mar 15, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

You missed the number 17 pick on your list.

Also, if the 49ers could get Bulaga, McClain or Davis at # 13 why would they trade out of that pick?

  1. 16 is too high for Iupati and Saffold is a 2nd round pick..

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by Eastbayjim on Mar 15, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I think this draft still leaves holes that need plugging. Iupati is generally thought of as a guard which still leaves a hole at RT. Safety is not addressed which means we still have to rely on Michael Lewis’ head making it through a full season. And not adding another WR to compete for a job would be a mistake IMO. I think Graham is more of a luxury than a need and feel the same about Thomas.

by Joshuahss on Mar 15, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is no way washington picks berry over clausen or okung.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 15, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no way the Redskins pick Berry that would be extremely dumb. BPA is not DSA.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 15, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The draft how I would like to see it...

Ideally I want to see them move up for Berry, though I doubt that would happen. This is just what I am hoping happens if the cards fall as I think they will.

1a) Bulaga
1b) Mays
2) Gilyard
3) John Jerry
4) Javier Arenas or Brandon Ghee
5) Reggie Carter
6) Jeff Byers
6) John Fletcher
7) Trindon Holliday

by Joshuahss on Mar 15, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope not, but good mock if we want to contend in 2011

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 15, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wheeling and dealing draft :-)

FA Moves: Franchise A. Franklin, Pick up David Carr to be backup QB, Pick up Chester Pitts, Trade Shaun Hill for a 7th next year, Sign Barry Sims to two year contract

Trade: Pick 13 and pick 48 and get their pick 7 and Pick 106. We also trade back to the Chargers (who really want make a try for Dan Williams at NT or Ryan Matthews at RB) for their pick 28 and pick 60

Pick 7 S Eric Berry – We get the star safety in the draft. Our backfield is automatically upgraded.
 
Pick 28 (from Trade w/SD) CB Kyle Wilson – Second best maybe best CB in the draft. We have a killer backfield building up
 
Pick 60 (from Trade w/SD) OT Roger Saffold (If he’s not there then we can get CB Chris Cook or maybe even Patrick Robinson)

Pick 80 WR Taylor Price or WR Jacoby Ford – Both good WR’s which are speed demons. Another option if both gone is Carlton Mitchell out of USF

Pick 106 (from Trade w/CIN) CB Akwais Owusu Ansah – Return threat and Ball Hawk, he can also play FS if need be.
 
Pick 114 OG Mitch Petrus – Good speed for a guard (5.29) strong as a bull (45 reps) and good all around guard
 
Pick 147 ILB Jamar Chaney – We can have him work in to be a possible replacement for Spikes.
 
Pick 185 If WR Freddie Barnes is here get him if not then look at the following: WR Marcus Easley (He’s big and fast), CB AJ Jefferson (Tall, and with a vertical of 44 " can leap tall buildings), OG Marshall Newhouse, OC Eric Olsen (See if he can do better than Wallace)
 
Pick 209 (Compensatory) DE Clifton Geathers
 
Pick 228 OLB Dexter Davis or TE Michael Hoomanawanui
 
UDFA moves: Bring in RBs Ledmarcus Coker and/or Deji Karim to look at as a COP Back and at least backup return man

Notes:
- Pitts and Sims can help out Saffold if he suffers.
- If the CB’s and Berry look good in Camp and so do the Olinemen rookies then I think we might look into a trade of Snyder and possibly even Clements (may not be easy with what’s left on his contract)
- If Spiller is still around probably not good to make the Charger’s trade, see if we can work that out with them.

Summary:
With this draft we’ve solidified our backfield hugely with a star safety, and two young very good CBs. We’ve also gotten a fabulous addition to our WR corps by adding Price/Ford and Barnes (not as good but good still if we get Easley). We’ve also, while not getting the top top OLinemen gotten what we need with an OT that will work out well as an RT anHd a bull in his own right at Guard. Chaney and Davis will be a nice addition to our LB corps and Davis is either a diamond in the rough or a 7th round pick so if he doesn’t pan out it’s not a huge loss. I am a bit torn between him and Hoomanawanui and might go for him and hope that Davis UDFAs. He would be a great blocking TE to compliment VD. I hold out some hope for the UDFA pick up of Coker. He’s in no way Spiller but he was a starter both at Tennessee and Hampton.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 15, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Karim and Coker and this plan, but I think it's too many CB's.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 15, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two is too many?

We might be in a position to where the BPA would be a CB so that would mean maybe 3 but I’m hoping not. So essentially figure the two CB’s are Kyle Wilson and Akwasi Ansah. And on Offense you’d have Crabs, Price/Ford and Barnes. And one of those bigger speed backs in the back with Gore. In my mind pretty nice. Oh and of course Goldson and Berry playing Safety. :-) I like Chaney moving in at ILB. And Hoomanawanui helping push people back. Just imagine a secondary TE that can actually block LOL.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 15, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seen the CB if the OT wasn't available and counted it as 3.

I made a mistake. I didn’t see another OT if Saffold wasn’t avail.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

No problem that's why I was checking

At that pick point in the draft there are a huge number of valid CB’s and as you noted really no other OT’s so a second CB would have to be chosen. That’s both a good and bad thing. We’ve gone pretty much BPA and they are at positions of need as well but in one area, the D Backfield. If that happens our mindset would have to change a bit. We’d have to make a push for Veldheer (In my mind) at the 3rd and things like that. I’m not against Veldheer at all just noting that strategy would need to change at that point.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another part of my reasoning for a trade up is our 2nd round pick is 17th of that round.

Almost any tackle in the first will be a reach and if we wait until that pick in the second, I think we may inherit another turnstyle. Trade up to solidify our secondary with Berry and a young CB later. Then spend the rest of the picks on offense. I like Karim, alot.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is a pretty good draft

though I don’t think we need to give up both 1sts to move up to the #7 spot. We should be able to do it with 1a and 2 and then trade 1b back for 2c. Other than that I like it.

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by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think either way we need an earlier 2nd or later first.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah i agree

having two picks in the middle of the first kind of stinks because it feels like you’re overpaying for at least one player

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by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or both!

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not is we grab BPA

If we try to reach for RT then yes. But at 13, we could easily get a top 10 player that slips which wouldn’t be a reach. Then at 17 the same thing. I think QBs are going to be at a premium as they always are, thus pushing down some better players.

I just don’t get how you both think middle of 1st is where reaches happen, it’s where 99% of teams want to pick due to reasonable contracts, and still pick of most players. All you are missing out on is the Top 10 super high contracts, but after that, you can choose ANY player in the draft. No reaching in middle of first. I’d rather be there than anywhere else. ANY player slips, we get first crack at them.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really. Top 10 is high contract world.

Pick 11 has first dibs then pick 12 and both teams have similar needs. We will reach with 1 of our first picks.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't think so.

I just think in such a deep draft, there will be some very good players available in middle of first at both picks. Now if we are stuck at drafted a RT and reach for someone we could be stuck. However, if we take BPA, you can’t tell me that there is 10 elite players, and a huge drop off in talent after that. That’s only way to say 13 or 17 is a reach.

There are a lot of players that are slipping out of 1st round, just due to the talent available. We won’t need to reach in 1st, and my opinion is we get a guy that’s graded out in 1st round, with our 2nd round pick.

If anything, I think we get some good value for our picks this year.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I did wasn't it?

I trade our 13 and 48 (2nd rounder) to Cleveland and then traded back the 17 to Chargers for their 28 and 60 (second)
So in the first 2 rounds we got: S Eric Berry, CB Kyle Wilson and OT Roger Saffold. Heck I made that change based on your e-mail dude. :-) Which I thank you for.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

D'oh

Totally went over my head that you did that

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by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI9L7xITw_w

check out calloway at 6:17.

seeing that got me interested, so I found some tape of bryan bulaga vs michigan (read brandon grahm). it was his first game back from his thyroid thing, so don’t take bulaga’s performance to seriously. so I took some notes on Calloway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DYk6GzwHC4

on the first play he’s beaten with a spin move to the inside. graham manhandles bulaga so it ends in a sack.

from there on he looks solid in pass protection. he definitely benefits from a good blocking tight end. The tight end handles the left end’s spin move one on one at 1:05. but he also is fine on and island, it shows especially in the plays at the end of it. he had no problem with the kickslides he faced.

Eventually it shows the orange bowl where he’s playing gaurd. he does OK, it doesn’t show him giving up any sacks or anything, but he does give up a lot of ground to the tackles. I don’t know why people think he’ll be a better gaurd than tackle, he looked much more natural at tackle. Its not like he was getting beaten around the edge or anything.

The only problem with us picking him is that we’d have to wait until the 3rd round for our tackle, and we’d be in bad shape if he wasn’t there.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 15, 2010 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

You may want to look at Bulaga vs Wisconsin. Not only graham abused him.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eeeew

I’m think’n there’s two ways they trade up in the draft no way and no f***ing way ………..back would be more like it .way too many holes on this team…..and not liking anything without Toby G .and Shipley …..of coarse after they get O Line fix’d first ….

Kewl

by Edggy on Mar 16, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

ALL sings and Sing are pointing to us NOT drafting Spiller

There was an article I just read last night that mentioned how much Singletary has put into finding a PR\KR. He even visited a player that wasn’t invited to the combine. He also went to see Gilyard; That is he was the only coach at Cinci’s pro day.

I’m not saying this is a bad thing. Although I am HUGE for us drafting Spiller. I think he would be a great asset for us as we all seem to agree on. However, doesn’t it seem like all of this personal attention to visiting these guys kind of suggests we may have a draft board that looks a whole lot different than what we would collectively construct.

by goatfather on Mar 16, 2010 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I only question where they value a change of pace back, that would essentially be a 3rd RB option.

3rd on depth chart as a RB, and 2nd on the depth chart as a 3rd down RB. I would say #1 on 3rd and long. Singletary has also stated that he will be looking at more than one returnman. There is still a possibility, but I am thinking less and less likely, since Spiller would be limited to RB duties, in accordance with my above statement, and kickoff. I don’t think he wants one guy to do both, plus with our injuries, he will add two in the draft that can play another position and also an UDFA.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

He is moving up draft boards.

Although I understand the whole he can’t be an every down back guy. If Gore goes down with an ankle or knee sprain ( odds I put at about 500) I wouldn’t mind having a Coffee Spiller Combo

by goatfather on Mar 16, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to have him. If the move isn't trading up, we'd have to be after Spiller. My thing is

if Graham, Berry, Spiller, and Thomas are off the board, how far of a reach will be making with both picks.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

he seems to have a lot of value at that spot

that is at 17 he’s starting to look like a steal – so I guess BPA might be Spiller on our board at that point.

by goatfather on Mar 16, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those guys could be gone at 13.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd still put Gore in over Spiller in 3rd and long

He’s an amazing pass blocker.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 16, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't keep my RB back in 3rd and long, we have to have an OL that can protect against a 3 or 4 man rush.

If you blitz the Rb will have to make one person miss, and with Spiller that can turn into 6.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they blitz the RB has to stay and chip block

Otherwise the QB is going to get mauled.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not true.

6 rushers equal a blitz which leaves 5 to defend the pass. If we have 4 options to throw, I’d rather my RB leaked, because he has the quickest chance for open field, plus with the RB leaking the middle of the field or the RB will be open. The RB does not have to stay and block all of the time.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have to chip block before they leak out

Otherwise the QB won’t even have enough time to get the ball out.

Unless it’s a screen.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

same diff, he would still be an option.

That’s not pass pro, that’s chippin, there’s a difference.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'd be surprised by how many sacks result because the RB leaves without chipping

Lesean McCoy made that mistake a lot last year.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would put them both in on 3rd and long

Because they both can pass block and both can swing out for a pass. If Alex reads blitz he can audible to take care of it.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me.. that is the best situation to be in..

Crabtree and Morgan, VD, both Gore and Spiller behind Smith on 3rd and long.
How do they defend against that?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 17, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sack the QB

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't sack what you cant catch

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

blitzing leaves holes in the zone, which can lead to CJ Spiller in open space.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 17, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't have to blitz

Just stunt Chilo Rachal and get to the QB in 2 seconds.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can't catch Alex Smith?

He’s not that fast…..

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

An inaccurate pass thrown for pick 6

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

This too.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys are quite the optimists

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 21, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's realistic, Manning gave up a pick six with the game on the line. The Superbowl at that.

Smith is inaccurate.

If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just trying to illustrate the weakest spot on offense

That’s the QB position (assuming the RT issue is taken care of).

You can have all the playmakers you want, the offense isn’t going to work if your QB is throwing INTs and taking sacks..

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now that they've signed A. Bryant

That makes sense.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 16, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep interesting

that essentially based on the FA moves that were made by both teams Balty and Cincy will probably be fighting over TEs. They both now have a need for them. And with their WR moves they both have that as a very high need.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would b the best pick they make. aA young talented pas catching TE for Palmer. He has never had one at all.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

McCloughan says it's all about BPA

Q: In years past the 49ers have stuck with the common phrase, "We will take the best player available." Are there any plans to focus more on a team need versus the best player available? -Aaron Horne

A: Absolutely not, best player available. You can never have enough good football players on your team. If you take the best player, you’re not living in year one, it’s living in the future as well. He’ll help you in year one, but he’ll also help you year two and on.

From his fan Q&A

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by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Isn't BPA very subjective?

I mean BPA at 13 let’s say..who is the BPA at that point? And isn’t your board going to have to be made with a bias to your own team’s needs, at least to an extent?

I mean let’s take 3 sites that represent BPA at least for the first 100.
1. ESPN – Pick 13 BPA Rolando McClain (Spiller pick 11)
2. NFLDraftScout – Pick 13 BPA Taylor Mays (Spiller pck 6)
3. DraftTek – Pick 13 BPA Brandon Graham (Spiller pick 6)

So if Spiller is on the board it would appear that he would be the one to chose based on that thinking. Berry is 4th or 3rd at all those spots but it’s doubtful he gets to either of those positions.

Another good example is the fact that Drew doesn’t consider Trent Williams to be worth picking in the first for sure but the 3 organizations listed above have him ranked at 16, 10 and 14 respectively)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

which is why I think it’s a silly comment to make.

I mean let’s look at offensive linemen for example. is BPA the 4th best tackle available or the best guard in the draft?

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by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's called a "Yeah but" in my mind

Excuse me Mr McC wasn’t the player the best player in the draft? And didn’t you say that you took the best player in the draft?

McC: “Yeah but…”

There is an unstated “We take the best player available but we do not ignore certain factors as to the makeup of our team.” Otherwise a team could end up with 6 or more players at one position.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

A statement like that

Is more or less used as smoke screen. If everyone is saying “the Niners are going to pick such and such because he is BPA” then chances look better for us to get what we actually want. Especially in the mid rounds. It’s basically a blanket statement. The draft is a game of poker and there is a lot of bluffing that takes place up to and throughout the course of it.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 16, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, I just hope he's bluffing about staying put and not trading up.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we will for sure stay put for our 13th, but if the board is completely depleted by the 17th, they may want to try and trade back. I can’t see them jumping forward, but you never know, the draft is usually filled with crazy twists. Not typically for the 49ers, but it would surprise me if they did something nuts this draft. Scot M said they’d consider all options (could be more smoke screen), or it could be a line with a big piece of bait attached to the end of it for some one to trade back with us. Either way, I think he is playing his cards right. I didn’t like the move with Shaun Hill because I think there would have been more value later on had we waited. We should have carried 4 QB’s in to camp and then dealt the one with the most value out of Hill and Davis… just my opinion.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

BOOBIES

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m down for Taylor Mays. I thought he was legit ever since last season. Lott was at a few games watching him i think. Maybe trying to tell him about the niners?

by krbalenbin on Mar 17, 2010 12:32 AM PDT reply actions  

MY New Perfect Mock Draft 5.0

Yes i said perfect LOL

Trade 16th pick to the Chargers for the 28th and 60th picks; this allows San Diego to go after Spiller, one of the top tackles or an outside LB.

1. DE- Derek Morgan Georgia Tech
1. CB- Kyle Wilson Boise State
2. FS- Nate Allen South Florida
2. WR- Damaryious Thomas Georgia Tech
3. OT- Roger Saffold Indiana
4. RB- Anthony Dixon Mississippi State
5. CB- Syd’Quan Thompson California
6. OL- Brandon Carter Texas Tech
6. QB- Ryan Perriloux Jacksonville State
7. LB- Ryan Stamper Florida

FYI; this mock is based on projections from NFL Draft suite, in terms of where a certain player is slotted to go in the draft; give or take a couple of picks. I believe this addresses exactly what we are looking for in the draft.

In the 1st we get a pass rusher that will challenge ICE from the outset of training camp, Wilson a player that will take the KR/PR duties right away and challenge for the starting corner spot and Nate Allen a player i believe to be the 2nd best safety in the draft, great value there.

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 17, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Where is the OG? And will Saffold drop to the 4th round. As the biggest need, in your scenerio I would go with Saffold at the second 2nd round pick

Also Sing said he wanted multiple options for KR/PR and as much as I llike Thomas wouldn’t another WR who does KR/PR be better here?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 17, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guard?

Brandon Carter!! But i do understand that he won’t get much if any playing time in 2010. I do believe the 49ers will sign a Chester Pitts/Bobbie Williams type player, this giving Rachal more time to learn. I have us picking up Saffold in the 3rd, not the 4th, i think you misread that one. Thompson can return kicks too!!!

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 17, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any Guard we sign is going to replace Baas, not Rachal.

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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 17, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus 1

Question is, why is Snyder not considered a Guard this season.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

How was he at Guard? I know that’s his natural position but i can’t remember how he played there. And I would like to retain him (to be a back-up at Guard) if we draft our future RT.

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Eat Shitake!

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 17, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should back up Baas and we should scrap Wragge.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shouldn’t we replace Baas?

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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 17, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but you only insert a guy over him if he is an upgrade. So that leaves out some rookies that would be avaible. If we can get a guy in free agency and he was an upgrade then that may be the best way to go I’d say.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we find a better replacement

Not sure any rookie (unless it’s Iupati) would be an immediate upgrade. If we sign Chester Pitts I’d be ok with moving Baas to backup

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by smileyman on Mar 17, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pouncey is actually more polished than Iupati.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 17, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can agree with that

but I think Iupati has far more upside than Pouncey

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by smileyman on Mar 17, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup. Iupati is a better prospect, but Pouncey will look better after the 2010 season.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 17, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

How are we going to trade the Titans pick?

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Epic Fail

meant #17… C’mon Drew you knew what i meant.


Someone is being picky LOL. Either way it works on the TVC.

"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 17, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Berry hurts his toe at pro-day

Buyer beware:

Berry suffers sprained toe during pro day workout

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. – University of Tennessee safety Eric Berry suffered what has been initially diagnosed as a left big toe sprain that cut short his workout at the school’s pro day Wednesday.

After planting to run forward during a back-peddle, Berry pulled up, holding up his left foot. It was just his second repetition of the only drill he participated in during the workouts.

I watched Berry walk into the training room, where he was tended to by several trainers. He was eventually prescribed 30 minutes of ice and told to stay off his injured foot.

Berry is widely considered to be the top defensive back available in the draft. I’ll have another report later in the day on what goes down during the workouts.

– Steve Wyche

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Mar 17, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Crabtree situation all over again?

That would be huge if he fell to us because of that. It is just a sprained toe though.

Berry at 13 and Spiller at 17? …It could happen.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still won't happen, unless people put stock in numbers from the combine.

If people focus on the combine Thomas and Mays may go first and that would be AWESOME.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a long-shot but it could happen.

I think if he can make it past K.C., Seattle, and Cleveland, there’s a chance he could slip all the way. I don’t think a little toe sprain is going to knock his status one way or another though. I also don’t think that Mays goes before Berry but Thomas could because of how much he’s been pumped up. I do think that there are potentailly 12 players that could go before him. It’s just not a high probability that there will be. If it happens, it will happen because of one or two trades in the top ten.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thomas could because he has ability to play Corner

Mayock had Thomas as #1 safety, and Berry #2.

Berry can easily slip, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Do I think it will happen, no, but wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Berry can play corner too

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Thomas is actually projected as Corner from what I understood

Which is why he COULD go before Berry. Berry could play it, but is a Safety which has lower value than Corner. Thomas, has good man to man skills, and talk is that he has a legit chance of playing Corner in NFL, thus a possibility he could be taken early.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Berry will be a seahawk.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or he'll go to the Chiefs

They are hurting something fierce at the safety position.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think

Pioli will spend #5 on a safety. I see him taking OL. He comes from the “build through the trenches” mindset. Look how he reached for Jackson last year. I think Okung if he’s there, or Bulaga bc him and Ferentz are homeboys and he’ll be whisper sweet nothings into his ear.

by 49erDude on Mar 17, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but its a Todd Haley regime

and he’ll want to build something similar to what he had in AZ. They could go OL or possibly even Bryant to be their version of Boldin. I still think Berry is an option there though because of how depleted they are at that specific position. Berry can start right away.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see him going OL. They surrendered 11 sacks in the last 7 or 8 games, and their OL has come very cheap.

I could be wrong but I think their draft board will be Suh Berry and McClain could be above Berry, but it is highly unlikely. Berry can man cover, blitz, and zone cover from the safety position. he will allow them to run complicated blitz schemes. He could easily be picked at 5. I am thinking 5 or 6.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad they released B. Pollard....

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully not

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

this i like

if he drops down to us that would be ideal… if he doesn’t I would hate for the FO to reach and get a injury prone player… hate to label him as such but due to circumstances someone had to

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Mar 17, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

So now he'll drop to 13 overall?

Will the Raiders take Taylor Mays at No.8 to complete the cycle?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 17, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’re going to get a 2 for 1 deal with Campbell and Mays

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al Davis likes big hitters so he would go Mays over Berry...

Put some stickum on Mays’ hands and he will be great…. for the Raiders

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 17, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mockkk

FA-Atogwe

1a- CJ Spiller
1b- Anthony Davis
2- Jerry Hughes
3- Jordan Shipley
4- Syd’Quan Thompson
5- Freddie Barnes
6- John Skelton
7- Holiday

So much talent added it’s crazy…

by GMARCH on Mar 17, 2010 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope not, that would make him a niner.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 17, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully not.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

1st round mock

1. Rams- QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2. Lions- OT Russell Okung, Oklahoma St.
3. Bucs- DT Ndamakong Suh, Nebraska
4. Redskins- QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame
5. Cheifs- OT Brian Bulaga, Iowa
6. Seahawks- S Eric Berry, Tennessee
7. Browns- ILB Rolando McClain, Alabama
8. Raiders- OT Bruce Campbell, Maryland
9. Buffalo- DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma
10. Jacksonville- DE Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech
11. Dolphins- OLB Brandon Graham, Michigan
12. Broncos- NT Dan Williams, Tennessee
13. 49ers- CB Joe Haden, Florida
14. Seahawks- OT Charles Brown, USC
15. Giants- DT Brian Price, UCLA
16. Titans- DE Jason Pierre-Paul, USF
17. 49ers- RB CJ Spiller, Clemson
18. Steelers- OG Mike Iupati, Idaho
19. Falcons- WR Dez Bryant, OK St.
20. Texans- FS Earl Thomas, Texas
21. Bengals- TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
22. Patriots- OLB Sergio Kindle, Texas
23. Packers- OT Anthony Davis, Rutgers
24. Eagles- DE Everson Griffen, USC
25. Ravens- CB Kyle Wilson, Boise St.
26. Cardinals- OT Trent Williams, Oklahoma
27. Cowboys- WR Golden Tate, Notre Dame
28. Chargers- RB Ryan Matthews, Fresno St.
29. Jets- OLB Jerry Hughes, TCU
30. Vikings- CB Devin McCourty, Rutgers
31. Colts- G Maurkice Pouncey, Florida
32. Saints- OLB Daryl Washington, TCU

That turned out a little weird.

Picks/phenomena I’ll most likely have to defend

1. Slide of Gerald McCoy- The seahawks have to pick between berry and mccoy. They have mebane on their d-line, but they have noone in their secondary. McCoy isn’t a fit for the browns 3-4, and they could use a leader and player like McClain. Al Davis is probably completely fixated on Campbell.

2. Slide of Dez Bryant- the only places I can see him going are KC, Seahawks, Broncos. Seahawks can’t pass on eric berry and McCoy, they have to take one of them, and I don’t think they can walk out of the first round without a LT. I’ll talk about the broncos in a second, but I don’t think the falcons will pass on Bryant, even though they have so many needs on defense. He’s a great complement to Roddy White and was a top 10 talent going into the season.

3. Broncos pick- McDaniels may be turned off by Bryant’s attitude. I don’t think the J. Williams signing prevents them from drafting a NT. Its the most important position in a 3-4 and J Williams is old and injury prone. It typically takes d-linemen a year to adjust anyway.

4. Haden- I know everyone here hates him and doesn’t think we need a corner, but I disagree. Brown isn’t very good, Clements has been good but disappointing and is a little bit old, Bly is old, Harris is really old, Spencer is injury prone. Apart from the bad game against LSU, his film is actually very good, and he was a top 8 pick before the combine. His pro day 40 time (on a slower track no less) makes him the clear BPA at this pick.

5. Cowboys- I’m not crazy about the golden tate pick since it doesn’t address that big of a need, but I do think he’s the BPA and better than roy williams or patrick crayton.

6. I like clausen more than bradford, but for some reason people think Bradford is better. IMO, never take a spread quarterback over a pro-style quarterback. Clausen has 3 years in the WCO and has put up great stats. He has good weapons, but so did bradford, and bradford had a better O-line until this year. Clausen has a better arm too. Bradford is a little more accurate with short passes, but clausen is more NFL ready and I think has more upside. And hasn’t had 2 shoulder surgeries. However, everywhere it seems Bradford is considered the better prospect. Yes Clausen seems like a jerk, but so does Rivers, and he does fine.

7. Lions- After Sammie Lee Hill’s good rookie year and the Williams trade (how many DTs are named williams?) They have two starters at DT now, and you don’t draft for depth at #2 overall when you have needs everywhere. They have a HUGE hole on the left side of their line which could be fixed with this pick. If they pick well later for defense the lions could actually be a respectable team next year.

8. Cheifs go crazy for positional value, and as well as albert played at the end of the year, he’d play better at gaurd. Yes its a reach, but its a reach that will in all likelyhood happen.

9. I’m not crazy about the packers pick. Davis isn’t really a good fit there. but they need an LT and he’s better than Williams.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 18, 2010 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

whoops, 1 change. forgot Spoon was still on the board. Saints grab him instead of washington. man what a huge mistake. I thought I gave him to the falcons, but I changed that cuz of the bryant thing. The eagles could still go griffin though. Facepalm is all i have to say here.

anyway, it should be
32. Saints- OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri

would you believe me if I told you it was a typo?

by hellaninersfan on Mar 18, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great analysis, although I don't agree with some of the picks. I don't see SPoon slipping to 32, not at all.

I really enjoyed how you broke down each selection afterwards and shwing why some prospects slipped.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 18, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can definitely see where you’re coming from on that. Falcons and Eagles are probably looking really closely at him. Maybe even the cowboys. I just didn’t think bryant would go any lower than the falcons. The Eagles was a complete oversight. I suppose if you value measurables, combine numbers and positional value over intangibles, film and BPA the pick makes sense.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 19, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I cannot agree there.

If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU

by rlott#42 on Mar 20, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Bucs

Because McCoy is a better fit, but Suh is a good fit for DET.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

this may be my least favorite comment ever.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 21, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

We Need a new one

by manraj7 on Mar 18, 2010 9:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I will work on getting a new one up today

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 19, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another mock to add question to legitimacy of all espn mockers!!

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d816ffb3c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Suh falls to the 8th overall selection, no way Berry goes off the board before him. The Chiefs would not pass on Suh.

If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

yes the chiefs will. Pioli beleives in salary structure and he’s got 2 huge contracts at DE already from Dorsey and Jackson. The one thing that is certain is that the chiefs will not select a 3-4 defensive end.

The browns on the other hand will only pass on Suh if Clausen is there. I could see them passing on McCoy, but Suh is a great fit at 3-4 end.

And yeah that mock is rediculous. I can’t imagine williams going in the top 5 based on hype from last year alone. His draft stock is smoke and mirrors, and he’ll fall a lot on draft day.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 21, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chiefs can cut Dorsey he is a bum, and since this is an uncapped year there won't be penalty.

If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts

1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that it would be a good idea to cut dorsey, but I can’t actually see them doing it. Anyway, a lot of teams will probably still be happy to have him, and he probably has at least a 3rd round pick trade value. But he was (according to some) the #1 overall prospect in his class, I think the chiefs are going to give him a little more time.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 21, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Suh falls there, they will shop him. He is as close to Symour as Pioli can ever be again, he was a corner stone in NE and Pioli would love to have him, as well as Crennel.

If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts

1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

but that was what tyson jackson was supposed to be. I just think its way too much money and draft picks being thrown out at the position.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 21, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

and you don’t think that, and that’s really the argument being had here.

I think they’ll trade down if Suh is there. everyone wants him, they’ll be able to find someone to pay him top 5 tackle money. or somebody will want clausen. KC has some prime real estate in this mock.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 21, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they would pass on him.

Tyson Jackson was never that good of a prospect or player.

If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts

1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Tyson Jackson a DE?

Up above I saw the comment about the Chiefs already having two DEs in Jackson and Dorsey.. Suh is a DT not a DE and I agree with you here rlott, he would be a perfect fit for them.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 22, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He would be a DE in the 3-4, and so is Jackson.

If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts

1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull

by rlott#42 on Mar 22, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shave him and find a helmet big enough? That is what we tried with Baas, helmet didn’t work nor did the project.

If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts

1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull

by rlott#42 on Mar 21, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!

His helmet looks like a beanie

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 22, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 22, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 22, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he has to get his helmets custom made?

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 22, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

That helmet is way too small.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that Boone?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 22, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

How long are his arms?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mockkk

 A great Oline is what we need to become a great offense

1a- Anthony Davis
1b- Mike lupati
2- Morgan Burnett
3- Jacoby Ford
4- Mike Petrus
5- Freddy Barnes
6- Holliday
7- Joe Montana

by GMARCH on Mar 22, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So....

3 new O linemen, 2 new receivers, and a QB who’s long been retired? I see the humor in the Montana pick, but realistically, you’re putting too much into the OL on this. Only need two new OL this year tops. And that includes FA’s. So if Pitts signs, we can technically just draft a RT. Don’t think either Davis or Iupati would fill that role immediately.

by 9thevolution on Mar 26, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm..if Pitts does sign..

might we ought to pick a low round guy maybe like Marshall Newhouse in the 6th or maybe an OC like Eric Olsen or someone like that? Just wondering to myself on that.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 26, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Center...

definitely not a need and I’d cry if they picked one unless he has experience at guard as well. They took Wallace as the heir apparent to Heitmann, but Heitmann is still trucking along. If they decide to keep Heitmann and Wallace, then they need a guard who can sub at C in an emergency.

I wouldn’t honestly care if they spent a 3rd rounder on a guard prospect even after signing Pitts. I just see no need to draft 3 OL unless they’re convinced that Staley isn’t the answer at LT and want to get his eventual replacement. Since that’s not the case, they should stick to either Bulaga (and only Bulaga) in the first and a G prospect in preferably the 4th round.

by 9thevolution on Mar 26, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

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