49ers second day picks: Breakout candidates?
by David Fucillo on Mar 16, 2010 7:00 AM PDT
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PrintWith the NFL Draft approaching, we'll have all kinds of time to break down the various 49ers draft picks and what they may or may not do going forward in 2010 and beyond. Later today, drummer will have something about the excitement and allure of waiting to see who the 49ers grab late in the draft.
In the meantime, I wanted to do a bit of a look back, and get some thoughts looking forward. The draft is changing this year to a 3 day extravaganza. The phrase "Day 2 pick" won't have quite the same cache. However, for now, I thought I'd open up discussion on some of the 49ers recent day 2 picks. We've had plenty of conversations about Glen Coffee and Josh Morgan among others. Today, I wanted to look at some of the other picks the 49ers have gone with, and what the future holds for them. This is definitely not an all-encompassing list, but rather is just a few to get the discussion going. Feel free to contribute your own to the list.
The question in the end is who do we think will have the best career, or contribute the most to the 49ers in the coming years. Here are some of the 49ers recent day 2 picks that are worthy of some kind of debate (round selected in parenthesis:
2009
S Curtis Taylor (7th)
DT Ricky Jean-Francois (7th)
2008
C Cody Wallace (4th)
2007
CB Tarell Brown (5th)
Of the four listed here, Tarell Brown is clearly the closest to breaking through as an every down player. He replaced Nate Clements in the starting lineup November 1, and his star seemed to be on the rise. By the end of the month he was demoted back to the nickel back role behind Dre Bly. It looks like Nate Clements will probably be back with the 49ers in 2010. We still don't know if Dre Bly will be back, and the draft could have a lot to say about that. Assuming Clements is back, the battle in training camp for the starting cornerback role opposite Shawntae Spencer will be immensely interesting. Will Tarell Brown step up and claim the job?
Curtis Taylor and RJF are two guys that are still quite raw and have a lot of work to do, so I'll look past them for now. My second question concerns center Cody Wallace. What exactly do we have with this guy? A lot of people see him as nothing more than a perpetual backup to Eric Heitmann. At the same time, I've spoken with some people who think he could move into the starting lineup at some point. He has had very little regular season playing time to date. What exactly will we see going forward? Anything? Bueller? Bueller?
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Curtis Taylor
Us fans didn’t get to see a lot of him in 2009, but I think this guy has a decent career ahead of him. I’m not sure why, because there isn’t a lot to go by, but I just have a hunch. Cody Wallace, at the time, seemed like a waste of a 4th rounder because the team has Heitmann. Then, for a brief time, people seemed to think Heitmann’s time in San Francisco was drawing to an end. Now, it looks as though the big C will be retiring with the 49ers.
Wallace can sit back and learn everything to know about the position with no pressure. One day, he may be a quality starter in the league, but there’s not a lot of film to go by so no one truly knows (I don’t think).
Brown on the other hand, we’ve seen a lot of. It’s not really an insult to be benched in favour of a veteran like Dre Bly. Aside from the occasional brain fart, Bly was pretty solid last season. Brown has a bright future with the 49ers, even if it is as a Nickel Back. Every team needs a solid Nickel Back.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 16, 2010 8:50 AM PDT reply actions
Wallace played a little late last season... I think they are bringing him in slowly as Heitmann is the rock on the OL
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Wallace...
Watched both games where he played last year when they were trying to see if he had anything to offer, and he didn’t look bad. There were no botched snaps, and he did good in protection (despite it being against the Lions and Lambs).
I think you leave him there and bring him along, but can he fill in at guard if necessary. If he can, then he has value. If he can’t, then they should find someone to groom who can slide over to guard if necessary for extra depth. We’ll have to see what Solari thinks of him because he only took snaps last year to evaluate whether or not he had value for them.
by 9thevolution on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Both curtis taylor and ricky -jean had pretty good careers at lsu
ricky-jean was a monster at times and curtis taylor had a really good junior year his senior year was’nt as good but he was beat up most of the year i vwould 2 see curtis get a fair chance at safety because i think he could become a nice one he’s big long and has good range just needs 2 be coached-up and ricky-j i think will have some nice flashes he’s really fast 4 someone his size.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a fan Tarell Brown
He really adds some speed to our secondary. He plays with attitude, and seems commited to the Team philosophy.
We really just need one more piece back there. Hopefully Brown can have a standout year.
Bueller? Bueller?
“Um, he’s sick. My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.”
Sorry couldn’t resist. Great movie for us children of the 80’s.
My question is why is Spencer considered a lock at starter? I know he had a good year but I would think the competition would include both corner spots.
Spencer
I’d imagine Spencer isn’t quite a lock, but I’d imagine he’s the guy barring injury.
by David Fucillo on Mar 16, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I second that 2 now that i think of that its like he had this all-pro year
he did’nt even make it 2 the pro bowl he’s good i’ll give you that but i don’t know if he’s even better than a healthy walt harris.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Stop double spacing after periods
Please stop. It makes your articles hard to read because I’m too busy pulling my hair out.
seriously?
I’ve done that my whole life.
by David Fucillo on Mar 16, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s actually an outdated printing convention. It used to be necessary, but the advent of more advanced printing methods, word processors, and stringent journalistic style (we must save space per line!) have made it pretty moot. Personally, I don’t like it and I don’t do it. I’ve even had lengthy discussions about it with people in the past. Ultimately, it doesn’t affect readability in any significant way so it shouldn’t matter. More contemporary style-guiding doesn’t like it, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
(I’m actually not sure if journalistic style doesn’t like the two-space thing. I do know it is concerned with saving space per line, so I assume it must not like double spaces. The printing and word processor thing is true, though.)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that in general, people learn to do it because people who used to have to do it tell them that it’s the right way. Functionally today, it serves no purpose. If you didn’t have somebody telling you it’s the right way to do it, you’d never even consider it as an option.
I think I’ve gotten over my period of trying to convert people. If it works for you, don’t worry about it. Like I said, it doesn’t affect readability. At the worst, it’s just an extra keystroke for your already keystroked out fingers.
But yeah, the convention itself came out of the limitations of early printing technology, and hasn’t been necessary in a long time. If you think about it, it makes sense, too. I mean, it couldn’t possibly come out of handwritten convention. How do you double space after a period when writing by hand?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
What you say makes sense. I’ll give it a try, old habits do die hard though.
btw was this pun intended?
“I think I’ve gotten over my period of trying to convert people.”
I chuckled regardless.
As a writer, I believe that whether I intended the pun or not I should take credit for it.
It’s a skill that should serve me well in the future when people tell me how smart my novels are. “Oh yeah, I totally meant to do that thing you’re talking about… completely intentional. Aren’t I so smart?”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Boy i can't wait 4 the draft 2 get here
because you guys are waisting up space talking about printing and space (no pun intended) lol but fooch if it aint broke don’t fix it my mother used tell me when i was little " don’t say aint theres no such word as ain’t ‘’ and you know what when i got older they put it in the dictionary i could’nt wait 2 show my moms that because she would always say look it up then and i would and it would’nt be in there so if its got so far why trip.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
you are quickly becoming my favorite poster.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, language itself is fluid, but that doesn’t mean that form is meaningless. It’s not like you said, “eat i when breakfast pancake stomach my fill syrup love.” And your mom was like, “that’s not a real sentence” and then later that became a real sentence and you showed her.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
And to be more specific… the two space thing was broke, and they did fix it. It was a problem with printing methods that created the rule, and that problem has been fixed.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just joking in the first place just seem like dude just
jumped down his throat like ‘’ stop double spaceing ’’ like you could put you’re finger in-between the words he was writing but i was’nt trying 2 jump on youre case about it .
Oh, I didn’t think you were jumping on me. I’m just actually interested by all this stuff, and I actually have a job (for now) that pays me to know stuff like this. So it’s kind of fun when I can run out swinging the knowledge hammer.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
well...
I’ll work to try and switch to single space after a sentence. This should be interesting. Like I said I’ve done it this way my whole life. Recently I’ve started to hear more and more about using one space and not two (not here at the site, but generally in life).
by David Fucillo on Mar 16, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
If I’m not mistaken, MLA style tried to hold onto the double-space thing for dear life – but I even think they have conceded at this point. AP style doesn’t condone it. And grammar school teachers preach it like it’s the God’s-honest choir for some reason that I’ll never understand.
But yeah, no harm no foul. If you’re writing professionally, it might be something to keep in mind. But elsewhere in life I don’t think it will come up outside of conversations with very specific, style-oriented individuals.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
And by “grammar school” I mean “high school”. Apparently, I’ve forgotten that there’s a difference between primary and secondary education.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
And if you type up in MS Word beforehand, an easy fix if you’re interested or concerned is to just use the replace all function. You can also change your MS Word settings to register two spaces after a period as a grammar mistake. That way you get the squiggly green line every time it happens.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
No, don't
I don’t want to be the only guy left that double spaces after sentences. It just doesn’t feel right leaving one space. Ah, much better.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
hey!~
what gives? I double spaced and it cut it down to one? WHA!?
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe that when posting in comments, it reduces. It’s an HTML thing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
If you REALLY want, you can learn how to make non-breaking spaces, and that’ll do the trick.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 16, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you can adopt
jayjonna’s style :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 17, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
How about quadruple spacing?
IMO this is better. What do you think? Are you going to be bald at the end of my comment? Let me know, thanks.
Al Davis?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 16, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the first I have heard of single-spacing after periods.
I don’t see how it makes it hard to read. What’s hard to read is text-ese with no punctuation and no breaks.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
CODY WALLACE!!!
Cody Wallace was a 4 year starter at Texas and was a very good part of a good offensive line!!!! H e is good at pulling and at the point of attack!!! Have you ever seen the guy play?? Its obvious, to everyone that I know that he can step right in and the 49ers won’t miss a beat with him in there!!! On the other hand, Brown should be the starter opposite Spencer and the 49ers cut Clements or move him to FS where he can still be productive!!! If you cut Clements, that saves us 10 to 12 million a season right there and immediately we are major players in free agency!!! There is so much wasted money on the 49ers current roster that if I were the GM i could cut probably 8 to 12 players just right now and not pay them another dime!!!! Players that don’t produce we don’t need and the 49ers just have way too many of them!!!!
Almost 50 comments on print alone that should
be the next article do our offensive line double space our single space or do they prefer original american print our old english print lol.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Ive heard a few peole move clements 2 safety
do we even know if he would be good at safety did he even play some safety at ohio.st our buffalo he may suck at safety and we may be holding up somebody else who can play safety .If were going 2 cut him let’s cut him i allready have 2 deal with the no hitting sf.giants having people playing 20 different positions don’t need the niners 2 start.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
OK...
Now that we’ve all had our grammar lesson for the day.
Wallace I think can be quality, but the question is does he add value for depth on our line. If he can’t step in and play guard if asked, then he might not be the best value to use a roster spot. It would be better to have him focus on playing C because it’s a crucial spot, but someone similar to Pouncey who has experience at G and C would be best to take his spot on the roster.
As for the other two, I really don’t see the value. Taylor is a free safety and could stay there for depth, but we can get someone better in the 4th round this year, so he won’t be a starter. That’s also considering they move Goldson to SS like they should. RJF is just another wasted body in a catastrophe of a DL rotation. I think we have 6-7 DL players and only two are any good as every down lineman. We need another starter unless Balmer kills it at LE this year.
Tarrell Brown seems to be the nickel corner which is good for me because his extension keeps him around for cheap.
And just to remind me, wasn’t Goldson also a “Day 2” pick. 4th or 5th round if I remember correctly, and he panned out pretty well with no real veteran leadership. Gems can be found but they’re few and far between. I wouldn’t count on any of these guys to be more than contributers in certain situations.
2 Quick points
I am starting to think Wallace was a waste. This will be his 3rd year. I think he needs to got a shot and see what he really has. They obviously didn’t feel comfortable with him playing guard-which creates an issue.
Also, I am not sure what is going on with Nate Clements. I know he played hurt some last year-which might explain some of the reasons that he got toasted. However, hind site being 20/20, this guy is NOT the lock down cover corner that his large contract suggests he is. I think he was overpaid. That beng said, if he is an overpaid corner-he sure the hell would be a VERY overpaid safety.
Clements is getting old and probably over paid. I think they should try and trade him, or even cut him if he can’t step up and be the lock down cover corner he is supposed to be.
No Cap...
for this year, so Clements isn’t going anywhere. I think they’ll let Brown compete for the starting spot with Clements and if he looks better, then they trade Clements early in the season before the deadline. However, I think that they’ll keep Clements and he’ll be starting. They’ll sub him out for Brown when they have to cover a speedy receiver. They should also be looking for a corner at some point in the draft this year, as well as a safety. That means come next year, Clements will be traded or cut regardless.
by 9thevolution on Mar 17, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
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