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NN Community Mock Draft Final Grades

First, I just wanted to thank all of you who participated once again and Fooch for updating the board to help move things along at warp speed. I believe this 2 Round Mock went close to an hour faster than the first one we all did. The grading process is going to be a bit different than the last time. Some teams had multiple participants but I will be doing team grades as a whole based on individual player picks. You know who you selected, so by the grade of the individual pick, you will know your score.

Here is the grading table and point system that I will be using:

A+ = 6 (Excellent, best possible pick)

A = 5.5 (Excellent pick)

A- = 5 (Excellent pick but could have gone another way)

B+ = 4.5 (Very good pick)

B = 4 (Very good pick but could have gone another way)

B- = 3.5 (Very good pick but not a huge area of concern)

C+ = 3 (Average pick with some upside)

C = 2.5 (Average pick)

C- = 2 (Average pick but may not pan out)

D = 1.5 (Not a very good pick and most likely not to happen)

 

Again, each pick will get an individual grade, and then I will total them up for a final team grade. Any .75's or .25's will be rounded up or down depending on which one it is. If you feel like you deserved a better grade, then please say so with explanation in the comments.

Thank you all again for participating. We will be holding one more community mock as we head closer to the draft. Possibly the weekend previous to the draft itself.

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Here are the results...

ROUND 1

1. ST. LOUIS RAMS - Sam Bradford (QB) Oklahoma (B)


2. DETRIOT LIONS - Russell Okung (OT) Oklahoma (B+)


3. TAMPA BAY BUCS - Ndamukong Suh (DT) Nebraska (A+)


4. WASHINGTON REDSKINS - Jimmy Clausen (QB) Notre Dame (A)


5. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS - Eric Berry (FS) Tennessee (A+)


6. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS - Gerald McCoy (DT) Oklahoma (A+)


7. CLEVELAND BROWNS - Joe Haden (CB) Florida (C+)


8. OAKLAND RAIDERS - Bruce Campbell (OT) Maryland (C)


9. BUFFALO BILLS - Bryan Bulaga (OT) Iowa (A+)


10. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS - Dez Bryant (WR) Oklahoma State (A-)


11. DENVER BRONCOS - Rolando McClain (ILB) Alabama (A+)


12. MIAMI DOLPHINS - Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB/DE) South Florida (B)


13. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS - CJ Spiller (RB) Clemson (A)


14. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS - Charles Brown (OT) USC (B)


15. NEW YORK GIANTS - Sean Weatherspoon (OLB) Missouri (A+)


16. TENNESSEE TITANS - Derrick Morgan (DE) Georgia Tech (A+)


17. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS - Trent Williams (OT) Oklahoma (C-)


18. PITTSBURGH STEELERS - Mike Iupati (G) Idaho (A-)


19. ATLANTA FALCONS - Brandon Graham (DE) Michigan (A+)

20. HOUSTON TEXANS - Dan Williams (DT) Tennessee (B-)

21. CINCINNATI BENGALS - Earl Thomas (S) Texas (A+)


22. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS - Jermaine Gresham (TE) Oklahoma (B-)


23. GREEN BAY PACKERS - Anthony Davis (OT) Rutgers) (B)


24. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES - Everson Griffen (DE) USC (B+)


25. BALTIMORE RAVENS - Kyle Wilson (CB) Boise State (A-)


26. ARIZONA CARDINALS - Carlos Dunlap (DE) Florida (B-)


27. DALLAS COWBOYS - Maurkice Pouncey (C) Florida (A+)


28. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS - Ryan Matthews (RB) Fresno State (A+)


29. NEW YORK JETS - Golden Tate (WR) Notre Dame (A-)


30. MINNESOTA VIKINGS - Taylor Mays (S) USC (B+)


31. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS - Ricky Sapp (DE) Clemson (B-)


32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS - Brian Price (DT) UCLA) (A-)

 

ROUND 2

33. ST. LOUIS RAMS - Jared Odrick (DT) Penn State (B+)


34. DETROIT LIONS - Toby Gerhart (RB) Stanford (A+)


35. TAMPA BAY BUCS - Sergio Kindle (OLB) Texas (A)


36. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS - Jerry Hughes (OLB) TCU (A+)


37. WASHINGTON REDSKINS - Jared Veldheer (OT) Hillsdale College (C+)


38. CLEVELAND BROWNS - Nate Allen (S) South Florida (A)


39. OAKLAND RAIDERS - Patrick Robinson (CB) Florida State (B-)


40. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS - Jahvid Best (RB) California (A-)


41. BUFFALO BILLS - Tim Tebow (QB) Florida (B)


42. TAMPA BAY BUCS - Devin McCourty (CB) Rutgers) (A+)


43. MIAMI DOLPHINS - Arrelious Benn (WR) Illinois (A+)


44. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS - Corey Wooten (DE) Northwestern (A+)


45. DENVER BRONCOS - Colt McCoy (QB) Texas (A-)


46. NEW YORK GIANTS - Morgan Burnett (S) Georgia Tech (B-)


47. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS - Jonathan Dwyer (RB) Georgia Tech) (B+)


48. CAROLINA PANTHERS - Tyson Alualu (DT) California (A-)


49. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS - Chad Jones (S) LSU (C)


50. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS - Terrence Cody (NT) Alabama (A)


51. HOUSTON TEXANS - Brandon Ghee (CB) Wake Forest (B+)


52. PITTSBURGH STEELERS - Brandon Spikes (ILB) Florida (B)


53. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS - Koa Misi (OLB) Utah (C)


54. CINCINNATI BENGALS - Vladimir Ducasse (OG) UMass (A)


55. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES - Daryl Washington (LB) TCU (A+)


56. GREEN BAY PACKERS - Dexter McCluster (RB/WR) Ole Miss (B-)


57. BALTIMORE RAVENS - Aaron Hernandez (TE) Florida (B-)


58. ARIZONA CARDINALS - Dominique Franks (CB) Oklahoma (C)


59. DALLAS COWBOYS - Roger Saffold (OT) Indiana (A+)


60. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS - Cam Thomas (DT) Carolina (A+)


61. NEW YORK JETS - Lamarr Houston (DT) Texas (A+)


62. MINNESOTA VIKINGS - Amari Spievey (CB) Iowa (D)


63. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS - Rob Gronkowski (TE) Arizona (B-)


64. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS - Navorro Bowman (OLB) Penn State) (A+)

 

FINAL TEAM GRADES:

NFC WEST

S.F. 49ers - CJ Spiller, Trent Williams, and Chad Jones: The first pick here has quite a bit of value but the other two are just pretty "meh". While Trent Williams would be a pick in an area of need, it may be overspending on a potential bust. Chad Jones is a younger version of Michael Lewis but younger means inexperienced and possibly not an immediate upgrade. FINAL GRADE (B-) 3.33

St. Louis Rams - Sam Bradford, Jared Odrick: Sam Bradford addresses and big area of concern right now for the Rams but it's a very risky pick considering that shoulder injuries can be, and most often are, reoccuring problems. The Rams would be better suited in getting a stop gap guy in free agency and drafting the best player available in the draft in Ndamukong Suh. Jared Odrick was an excellent pick considering the first selection but had they gone another way, would not have been the pick here. FINAL GRADE (B) 4.25

Seattle Seahawks - Gerald McCoy, Charles Brown, and Jahvid Best: While McCoy would be an excellent pick if he fell this far, it's not very likely that he would. Charles Brown is a bit of a reach at 14 but could potentially pan out if he is used correctly. And Jahvid Best is a slight risk because of the two concussions he suffered in college but because he is a 2nd Rounder, and not a 1st, it's not as big of a risk for the amount of upside he brings to the table. FINAL GRADE (A-) 5.00

Arizona Cardinals - Carlos Dunlap, Dominique Franks: The Cardinals have bigger fish to fry than drafting a lazy defensive end. They just lost the quarterback of their defense in Dansby and will need to replace him immediately in the first round. Dominique Franks does have some upside but I am not quite sure he fits in the 2nd Round and may be more of a 3rd round type of guy. The Cardinals have bigger needs than Corner with their 2nd Round Pick. FINAL GRADE (C+) 3.00

 

NFC SOUTH

N.O. Saints - Brian Price, Navorro Bowman: I really felt like the Saints should be addressing the loss of Scott Fujita in the first round. He was a huge piece to that defense and contributed significantly. Bowman was a steal in the 2nd Round but it's not likely that he falls this far in the real draft. I liked the picks overall but I just think it should have been addressed differently. FINAL GRADE (A) 5.50

T.B. Bucs - Ndamukong Suh, Sergio Kindle, Devin McCourty: If this really happened for the Bucs, I think they'd be jumping through the roof and the cannons would be shooting off in Tampa. To get three potential first rounders in two rounds would be an ideal situation for this struggling franchise. Their defense would be high octane and full of energy with the addition of these three. FINAL GRADE (A+) 5.83

Carolina Panthers - Tyson Alualu: Well if nothing else, at least they drafted a guy with a cool name. Since the Panthers virtually have no quarterback, I would suspect that their first selection would be a quarterback. Matt Moore showed some upside but he may just be a decent back up when it's all said and done. The Panthers desperately need a quarterback though. FINAL GRADE (A-) 5.00

Atlanta Falcons - Brandon Graham: The Falcons really need some help with their pass rush whether it be from a linebacker or a defensive end. Graham just so happens to play both. In a 43Defense, he will more than likely be a defensive end and create chaos off the edge much like Dwight Freeny and Robert Mathis do for the Colts. FINAL GRADE (A+) 6.00

 

NFC NORTH

Minnesota Vikings - Taylor Mays, Amari Spievey: Taylor Mays falling this far could potentially be a steal for the Vikings but it could also go the other way too. He will provide a presence back there that the Vikes haven't had since Joey Browner back in the late 80's. Spievey certainly shocked most of us considering that he is projected as a 3rd Round, possibly even 4th Round Pick. Possibly the most questionable pick of this draft. FINAL GRADE (C+) 3.00

Green Bay Packers - Anthony Davis, Dexter McCluster: The Pack definitely needs to get younger on their offensive line but did in fact re-sign two of their starters from last season. Two that were partially responsible for allowing Aaron Rodgers backside to consistently have grass stains on it. This was a sensible pick. The other pick however may not have been. I do expect the Packers to draft a running back but there is question as to whether or not McCluster can actually play running back at the next level. He may be better suited as a wide receiver; a position in which the Packers are already pretty deep at. FINAL GRADE (B) 3.75

Detroit Lions - Russell Okung, Toby Gerhart: Okung could very well end up being the pick here but the consensus pick with most of the experts still is either Suh or McCoy. With Suh still on the board here, it's very difficult to imagine them passing on him for Okung. The Lions definitely could use another running back to compliment that diluted back field. Gerhart is just the type of bruising back that will tire out defenses to open it up for Jones as well as Stafford and company. FINAL GRADE (A-) 5.25

Chicago Bears - Incomplete (No 1st or 2nd Round picks)

 

NFC EAST

Philadelphia Eagles - Everson Griffen, Daryl Washington: Two picks that can instantly be inserted in to the defense. Griffen will bring to the table a fierce pass rush, while Washington will secure the middle of the field. The Eagles have lost some of the fire they once possessed on defense. Griffen and Washington could be exactly what Philly needs to reignite the inferno in the city of brotherly love... or hate depending on how you view things. FINAL GRADE (A-) 5.25

N.Y. Giants - Sean Weatherspoon, Morgan Burnett: The Giants recently released Antonio Pierce but acquired Antrel Rolle as their free safety. While Weatherspoon may make an impact right away, it may be in the Giants best interest to draft a strong safety in the later mid rounds. They spent a lot of money on Rolle and there will be others like Asante later on in the draft to pick from. FINAL GRADE (A-) 4.75

Washington Redskins - Jimmy Clausen, Jared Veldheer: With the Redskins placing as high of a tender as they did on Campbell, it seems as though they still have faith  in that he can be a very good quarterback; or at the least a stop gap for this year. Shanahan knows how to coach up quarterbacks and obviously feels he'll be able to do so with Campbell. Clausen would be drafted as the quarterback of the future but would be able to be put in methodically rather than sling-shotted in to playing in the NFL. Veldheer just wasn't the best way to go. While the Redskins are trying to bring some consistency to the offensive line, there are a couple other guys that would have been better picks at this slot in my opinion. FINAL GRADE (B) 4.25

Dallas Cowboys - Maurkice Pouncey, Roger Saffold: The Cowboys have always had decent to great offensive lines. With their two first round picks being offensive linemen, they will give Tony Romo zero room for excuse on why he can't make it to the big one. These picks here secure a bright future for the stars to shine in Dallas. Let's just hope the 49ers can dim them a bit in season's to come. FINAL GRADE (A+) 6.00

 

AFC WEST

S.D. Chargers - Ryan Mathews, Cam Thomas: Two huge areas of need addressed coupled with best player available usually equals "great draft". For the very first two picks, the Chargers nailed it by securing their running back of the future and nose tackle of the future. Excellent picks in both. FINAL GRADE (A+) 6.00

Oakland Raiders - Bruce Campbell, Patrick Robinson: The first pick here is a typical Raiders type selection. I do however think that since Tom Cable is an ex-offensive line coach, that he will be able to coach up Campbell to be potentially one of the best lineman coming out. However, potential doesn't mean anything until a player lives up to it. The secondary for the Raiders was actually their strong point last season. While Robinson fits the mold, it's not a huge area of concern. FINAL GRADE (C+) 3.00

Denver Broncos - Rolando McClain, Colt McCoy: McClain and McCoy make for McGreat picks. The Broncos recently let go Andra Davis and will need to replace him. McClain makes a lot of sense here. While the Broncos did release quarterback Chris Simms, they secured Brady Quinn through a trade. With Orton and Quinn on the roster, it's difficult to see the Broncos going after a quarterback this early on. FINAL GRADE (A) 5.50

K.C. Chiefs - Eric Berry, Jerry Hughes, and Terrence Cody: This would be an unbelievable draft for Kansas City if they could get all three of these guys. They are very weak at the safety position so Berry makes a whole lot of sense there. Hughes brings a pass rush to the Chiefs that they have been missing since the late great Derrick Thomas and Cody, if he can stay on par in maintaning his weight, will be a true force in the middle of that defensive line. FINAL GRADE (A+) 5.83

 

AFC SOUTH

Indianapolis Colts - Ricky Sapp, Rob Gronkowski: I don't think Colts fans would be too thrilled with these picks. While I understand the Sapp pick, I don't quite get the Tight End pick. Sapp would come in and relieve both Freeney and Mathis to help keep tread on their tires through the course of the season. But the Colts already have one of the best pass catching tight ends to ever play the game in Dallas Clark. With all the other weapons on the offensive side of the ball and Peyton Manning not getting any younger, I'd look for an offensive line pick with one of the two. FINAL GRADE (B-) 3.50

Jacksonville Jaguars - Dez Bryant: David Garrard defintely could use a couple more weapons on the offensive side of the ball but they could majorly use some help to enhance the offensive line. I believe we had 5 or 6 sacks against them last year when we faced them. They need to keep their $60 Million Dollar investment upright next season or we could see quarterbacks number two and number three on the field before the end of the regular season. FINAL GRADE (A-) 5.00

Houston Texans - Dan Williams, Brandon Ghee: While I like both of these players quite a bit, I do have a couple issues with the picks. I definitely think that the Texans have larger areas of concern than the interior of their defensive line. While Williams is a solid pick, they could have gone elsewhere to give them more value; especially considering how long it takes for some defensive tackles to develop. For me, I like the Corner pick for the Texans because it replaces Robinson. However, as much as I like Ghee as a Corner, he still is a bit rough around the edges. Going with a Corner in the 1st may have been the better way to go. FINAL GRADE (B) 4.00

Tennessee Titans - Derrick Morgan: The Titans could not have gone in a better direction than this pick here. They need a pass rusher quite badly and Morgan is just that. He is a tweener that could be used as either a 43Defensive end, or a 34Outside linebacker. The Titans haven't had a defensive end that brought bad intentions to the trenches since they had a younger Jevon Kearse. Morgan would be a perfect pick for the Titans here. FINAL GRADE (A+) 6.00

 

AFC NORTH

Cleveland Browns - Joe Haden, Nate Allen: The Browns have 11 picks or so in this years draft, so there is no need to go reaching for players like Joe Haden. While both picks upgrade the secondary for the Browns, Allen is probably the better of the two picks.I look for them to target possibly Rolando McClain considering they lost a key player in Wimbley. They need a presence at linebacker. The Browns are almost a franchise that is starting over and have been since they re-entered the league. They came on late in the last part of the season last year and showed that there is enough upside there to start winning again. The addition of Mike Holmgren was probably the best move that they could have made. He will make that team buy in as he has done in other places. FINAL GRADE (B) 4.25

Cincinnati Bengals - Earl Thomas, Vladimir Duccasse: Two best player available picks coupled with fairly huge needs is the makings of a good draft, very good. If Thomas falls this far, the Bengals won't hesitate to pull the trigger, same goes for Ducasse. They will be getting two players that they can plug in right away to make their teams better. There are several different ways that the Bengals could go, but I think the picks here are easily justifiable. FINAL GRADE (A+) 5.75

Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Iupati, Brandon Spikes: Another great first two rounds. The Steelers love their linebackers and always seem to have a plethra of them. Spikes will be a guy who can plug in right away. The quarterback situation with the Steelers could be catastrophic pending the outcome of everything that's going on with Sleezebag Ben. They may be tempted to draft a guy that is completely opposite of Big Ben should things go south in Pittsburgh. Tim Tebow anyone? Iupati is a very good option to an aging offensive line also. FINAL GRADE (B+) 4.50

Baltimore Ravens - Kyle Wilson, Aaron Hernadez: The Ravens are getting a lot older on the defensive side of the ball. Baltimore has decent Corners but need to start looking for replacements for Ray Lewis and Ed Reed since they won't be around too much longer to mentor younger guys and could possibly even be gone after this season. The Ravens still have Todd Heap and just acquired Anquan Boldin and Donte Stallworth to spice things up for quarterback Joe Flacco. Hernadez is good, but the Ravens can address tight end later on in the draft with guys like Dennis Pitta, Ed Dickson, Jimmy Graham, etc. FINAL GRADE (B) 4.25

 

AFC EAST

Miami Dolphins - Jason Pierre-Paul, Arrelious Benn: Two very solid picks for the Fins in rounds one and two. The Dolphins don't necessarily have a true number one wide out. Bess is okay and so is Ginn Jr. but they're not going to demand too many double teams. Benn is a big, physical wide receiver that can go up in traffic and over power defensive backs. Excellent pick in the 2nd round for them. With the potential departing of Joey Porter and Jason Taylor, the Dolphins would be best suited to persue a pass rusher to compliment recently acquired Karlos Dansby. JPP gives them that athletic pass rush to replace two great players if they do in fact leave. FINAL GRADE (A-) 5.00

Buffalo Bills - Bryan Bulaga, Tim Tebow: I could honestly see the Bills going after these two players and I don't think would hesitate to pull the trigger on either. They need to keep their quarterback upright and they need a leader running the show on the offensive side of the ball that they currently do not have. Chan Gailey has been known to do good things with quarterbacks that have potential. He could posibly do the same with Tim Tebow. FINAL GRADE (A-) 5.00

N.E. Patriots - Jermaine Gresham, Corey Wootton, Jonathon Dwyer, and Koa Misi: Overall a decent draft, I just felt like there were possibly better picks and better players in some of the scenarios. The tight end pick just didn't do it for me. I know they could use a tight end but not badly enough to warrant Gresham with their first. The other picks were so-so for me and even though I like Misi because he is from my hometown, he's still from my rival High School, haha. All jokes aside, I think Misi is better suited as a 3rd Rounder. I like the Wootton pick and Dwyer pick though and they fit the bill. FINAL GRADE (B) 4.13

N.Y. Jets - Golden Tate, Lamarr Houston: I think both picks here are very solid. I am not sure that the Jets will go with a wide receiver in the first. They already have a number one in Edwards and recently just got back Coles. If they are to add another receiver, they could easily do so in the 2nd Round as there will still be a bunch of quality guys at that position when they draft in the 2nd. Houston would be a good fit but would have to learn an entirely new position which sometimes at the next level can be tricky. Overall both quality picks though but either way and no matter where they go, the Jets fans will be sure to booooo at any pick. FINAL GRADE (A) 5.50

 

Note: If you did not participate in this draft but would like to be part of our next and last mock draft of the year, be sure to check back for details the weekend preceeding the actual draft April 22nd. Thanks again to those that made this possible.

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Such Modesty

And majority of credit should go to Drew K for moderating and putting the entire exercise together (not mention keeping things running smoothing during the draft) and to Fooch for his updates to the board during the draft

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup, big props to Drew and Fooch

I definitely felt a lot better about my Chiefs draft over the Texans draft and the scores reflect that.

If they get lucky, the Chiefs could walk away with a much more improved defense.

by TexansDC on Mar 16, 2010 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Didn't finish...

As for the Texans, in hindsight I probably would have gone Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty and Cam Thomas. I would’ve felt a lot better with those picks.

by TexansDC on Mar 16, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but if you hadn’t been branding everything at the top, a few of them would have got lose. That’s a given. Good team effort is what I’d chalk it up to.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moo you callin cattle LOL

Yep big kudos to Drew for getting things going. He was a shetland sheepdog in another life LOL

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drew K, first of all, thanks for putting this together.

Who would be your “A+” pick for the 49ers at 17 in this scenario? The way I see this draft shaping up, if the 49ers want an O in the first, it will probably be Williams or Iupati.

I haven’t studied a ton of film on either, but from what I have seen and read, Williams would probably be the better RT and a huge upgrade for us at the position. I know that you are not high on him, but I have a strong feeling he will be our pick, and if he is, I trust that McC did his homework.

by jemaine on Mar 16, 2010 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Picks 18-21

On this specific draft would be better options that Williams. If Scot M did his homework throroughly enough on Williams, I would suspect that he would wait until the 2nd to get Saffold, Ducasse, or even one of the other guys. Williams is not better than some of the 2nd round talent. I am not saying this in dislike of him, but because I saw it first hand for three years being that I am a Sooners fan. People make the argument that he was better on the right side but that is a total myth. He wasn’t good on either side, and personally I would rather see Snyder in there before Williams because at least then there would be some continuity. Good combine and pro day workouts don’t always lead to a good pick.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate your opinion on Williams, as you have seen a lot more of him than I have. You are just SO much lower on Williams than any draft pundit around the web. In Scot Wright’s new mock, he has Trent going #8, calling him “a legitimate Top 10 value” and “a terrific all-around player”.

Is Trent Williams really more of a bust risk than Iupati, who requires a lot of projection to envision as a quality tackle, or more risky than a pass rusher such as Graham (pass rushers have very high historical bust rates)? Dan Williams really would be an upgrade in our front 7, but our run defense is the strength of our team, so I see DT as a luxury pick in the first round. Of the four picks (18-21) that you would prefer, Earl Thomas would be my favorite. However, I would rather have a immediate upgrade in talent at tackle (Trent Williams) than a marginal upgrade at safety.

by jemaine on Mar 16, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my defense

All these “pundit’s” did not watch the Sooners religiously as I did to see the glaring hole in Williams’ game.

And… yes, yes, yes, and yes to answer those questions honestly. If we draft Williams, we’re drafting Kwame Harris all over agian. Remember the “hype” surrounding him?

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ask yourself this...

If I am a die-hard Sooner fan and I am still such a big critic of Williams’ rather than a proponent, then shouldn’t that hold some validity? I did not miss a down last year as painful of a season as it was. And Williams was a big contributor to the awful season. Landry Jones was running for his life more than half the time. Williams couldn’t hold a block if Charlie Manson was coming off the edge with and his Mom was the quarterback. I know what I am talking about first hand… not secondary, like the so-called pundits.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I disagree with many 49ers fans about the talent on our own team. We are all fans, watch every down, and still have different opinions. For example, I think Manny Lawson is underrated, Harralson is a very weak player, and Alex Smith still has a good chance of being a solid QB in this league.

Many fans will disagree, but just because I am a fan and have an opinion on a player doesn’t make it right.

That said, I am more conservative with my hopes for Williams knowing your opinion, but your analysis of Trent Williams is not near the consensus in the scouting community. Time will be the only test, and many factors will play into his future success (his team, coaches, offense, injuries, etc.).

I hope that if they do draft Trent, that you can respect the opinions of the many scouts and evaluators that believe him to be worthy of the draft spot.

by jemaine on Mar 16, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

As a fan you soud bitter did you lose

some money off the niners how you figure haralson is weak you’re baseing this on you’re keen ‘’’ scouters eye ‘’ and you use conservative like youre going to give the straight honest opinion either you’ve been watching the wrong team or you’re just a hater because we have playmakers coming out of are @ss its more about do we have a QB whos going to get them the ball or a OC whos going 2 call the right play but 2 say we don’t have the playmakers that some people think is straight up foolish , you’re a hater lol its cool just say it you’re like one of those dudes that if the sky was blue you would say it was green just 2 be a hater you’re living in negativille ’’

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Please don’t use profanity and I think you may have misunderstood his point.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

come on drew is ass profanity second i

did’nt use derogatory and calling him a ass i said we got playmakers coming out comemmmm ooooonnn wow do you want me to walk this white line touch the tip of my nose (by the way i don’t drink ) that being said i wasn’t attacking him just said he sounded negative not oohh youre a blah !!! you stupid blah blah .damm is it a off-season thing its so soft and sensitive ( sss ) lol now thats funny so soft and sensitive lol damm ooh im sorry i meant dannng

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think its more the use of the word itself since there is the distinct possibility that you’d have kids reading through the threads and the blog and I would presume that the moderators want to keep the blog as accessible and family friendly as possible.

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Listen i hear where youre

coming from but if that is true how would you qiuet 45 to 50 thousand because that kid will hear stuff 5 times worser than ass and i can bet that so i hear some of youre argument but other half falls on deaf ears i never want 2 offend anybody i may stuff quirky and exspress my opinion if i don’t agree with what you’re saying and i have 2 boys one 12 the other 18 and there very respectful but i never looked at ass as being offensive it was in the bible its on tv on youre damm sure going 2 hear more than that at a football game or any game so who we fooling??

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Profanity is against site rules

and you agreed to those rules when you signed up.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel you i was just telling

drew i was’mt directing it towards him and i don’t go will nilly with cuss words on here .

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im sorry jermaine ( are you jackson ) no but im

sorry 4 using profanity when i was talking 2 you i hope did’nt hurt you’re feelings i would hope i did’nt offend you’re opinions or fracture youre theories .

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

jemaine

I rec’d your statement above. I thought it was well written and made a very valid point in response to Drew’s thoughts on Williams. I am a fan of him myself as a RT.

I thought what you wrote, and the points you made, stated my feelings exactly. Just because you are a fan, and watch a lot of games, doesn’t mean you are correct, as we all watch the Niners, yet all have different criticisms of players on the team.

Thanks and welcome to the board.

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then why are they rating him

say high i mean theres enough dept in this draft 2 drop him down 2 the end of the line and i think people thinks the sooners put out talented offensive linman.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m don’t think you need to defend yourself, you are entitled to your opinion. I am simply providing mine.

I don’t think that Kwame Harris is a fair comparison. He was a finesse pass-blocker coming out of a much smaller football school than Oklahoma and was considered a reach at the end of the first round.

Williams’ most common comp is Michael Oher… who was ranked similarly coming into the draft, has similar physical tools (Top 5 physical tools), and the same knocks on him (inconsistent, inexperienced). Remember the “hype” surrounding him?

by jemaine on Mar 16, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Williams is no Michael Oher that is for sure; but like you said, each person will have an opinion. Some just have more substance than other due to play and on-field results.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

This all probably just shows the need

for a group to do the grading so it would be a consensus that way it wouldn’t be you having to defend your opinion against others.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we did it as a group, I have a feeling I would have to defend my stand twice as much. haha

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know drew you sound like skip ballif ( espn first take ) saying

i watched every oklahoma game the only difference is some of these pundits did’nt have 2 watch every game because they have every game on video tapes from NFL films every year somebody starts at the top and bamm something happens and there stock starts droping its the way the game goes but you all our pundits 2 be honest .

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

So because they have people on tape that must mean they have 1000 hours per day to watch every snap of every play of every down for every player. It is impossible for them to have watched a significant amount of film for each player considering the amount of players in the nation. That’s absurd. Every fan has an opinion but when a majority of the fans for a specific team all say the same thing (or a majority) then there is something wrong. For instance, I would say if we had put out a poll to see how much of the fan base supported Adam Snyder, the approval rating would probably be about 1-2%.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don’t seem to hate Trent here. They call him athletic, and a consistent performer. Not exactly the bowl full of Adam Snyder you are describing.

by jemaine on Mar 16, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce Campbell is athletic too but I wouldn’t take him. Robert Gallery was “athletic”. Athletic doesn’t = good. It helps but it’s not a true measuring tool.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you’re confusing “consistent” in reference to play. What they meant by that is consistent in not getting injured.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The use of ‘consistent’ is ambiguous. It could be in reference to his durability, or it could be in reference to the quality of his play. You are reading meaning into it in order to reinforce your own beliefs. Either way, I don’t see Oklahoma fans on that site that would lambaste him like he’s the love child of Kwame Harris and Adam Snyder.

by jemaine on Mar 16, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you read the entire article you would have understood that they meant consistent in not getting injured. That was how it was used. There was nothing ambiguous about it.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is that to the left in this play? Freeze it at :20… that is what we are in for if we draft him, even on the right side. It was a simple stunt that Williams should have picked up. Part of it was due to the Left Guard, but Williams should have picked up at least one of those guys. If he can’t pick up a simple stunt in college against BYU, then how’s he going to at the next level. This was the most clear-cut example I could find but this happened ALL SEASON LONG.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a feeling that play had a large influence on your feelings about Williams.
This at :48 is a much better view of that play.
Yes, Trent probably missed his responsibility on that play. However, there was a back with inside blitz pickup responsibility (He took the first inside blitzer) and Williams slid to the outside. Trent did not recognize that there were two blitzers on the play. Yes, he missed the block, but it doesn’t negate him as a prospect. I’m sure Bradford’s injured shoulder caused you as much pain as it did Sam, but I think that one play holds far too much weight in your assessment of Trent.

Look at the rest of the video and tell me that you don’t see a quality LT.

by jemaine on Mar 16, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is one example of many. I advise you to go back through some of the “team” highlights of OU games and watch him a little more closely. I think it could influence your opinion of him.

My opinion was formed over three years, not just that one single play.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing 2 do with football right quik

but why warriors have’nt fired don nelson ?Good got that out back to frootball.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Chris Cohan and Larry Ellison are morons

and they will never sell team or terminate connections to Nelson

Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.

by Iwantwinners on Mar 16, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that was at LT

and yeah, he’s not a very good LT. He gets beat by speed rushers and can’t handle stunts. If we drafted him we wouldn’t use him as a LT but as a RT where he does much better.

The difference between the 2008 and 2009 clips are night and day. Now you can make the argument that using a 1st round pick on a RT is a bit of overkill, but it doesn’t take away from Trent William’s ability as a RT.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those clips are not showing him get beat at RT but I can assure that it did happen frequently. His ability is extremely streaky at either position. You all are entitled to your opinions, but I have mine based on watching 40+ consecutive GAMES (excluding “clips”).

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well you seem convinced he'll be a complete bust

If a team tries to use him at LT I think he will be. If he’s used at RT I think he’ll do OK—probably not 1st round worthy, but still ok

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 16, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying it absolutely cannot and will not happen. But based off of as many games as I have watched, it’s not looking promising and I’d be very opposed to selecting him over a guy like Saffold, Fox, or a few other guys in later rounds.

There… is that better? Does that please everyone? I am sure that some of you will still have stuff to say. Anyway, I have stated my feelings on Williams as a right tackle, left tackle, guard, player in general. We’ll leave it at that.

It would be the same thing as Lions fans telling you that Snyder has a tremendous amount of upside. It’s laughable. Really.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait wait, one more from me ;-)

So would you take Saffold or Williams? Don’t worry about picks or anything, which do you think projects as better RT?

by hudd07 on Mar 17, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I blame Bradford for his shoulder injury too, not any of the lineman. He turned his shoulder right in to the turf to break his fall both times (BYU and the final time against Texas).

Williams is a seperate player which I have formed a seperate opinion on.

And yes, it was pretty painful to see Bradford go down, not once, but twice.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

But we don't need a LT

aint joe staley playing LT we need a RT dont we??

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

My only counter argument to that is that I think there’s the possibility of a herd mentality when it comes to an entire fan base saying the same thing. I’d agree that the majority of fans would say that Snyder (or Williams for Sooner nation) is terrible. That said I also think that the fansare much more critical probably because of their passion for the team and a more objective observer will see more positives in a player than those same fans would.

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

So then would you start Adam Snyder?

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Seeing” what we all saw.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not at all…my whole point was to highlight the fact that referring to the fan base just runs the risk of running into fan bias

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that’s the point, usually fan bias goes the other way unless they are doing something pretty terrible in their play.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that’s how it usually works, but when players get certain reputations (i.e. Snyder) I think it tends to swing in the other way and everything is viewed in the negative as that player becomes the sacrificial lamb for poor play in general

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

which i clearly could have stated more clearly in the first post (in my defense i’m also typing this up sitting in class and listening to how FDA can’t restrict labeling in specific situations so my mind is not exactly clear at the moment)

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would sit snyder he is soft

he does’nt get no push-off the line and im tired of waitng 4 his potential 2 kick in sorry 4 butting in your conversation like that,

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

What i don't get is why in

the world would go back after a safety from LSU when we already have one are we stacking lsu tigers at safety everything else was cool but that chad jones draft really threw me off but i know its just a mock draft .So i espicially wish and hope the niners don’t do nothing like that if thats the case go after earl thomas the upside is way better than chad jones i don’t know if i would put chad jones ahead of curtis taylor and when are we going 2 get that thru are head that picking a special teamer at 13 is way 2 high.yea i know he runs the ball but so does gore?

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had the same assessment..

Not sure why we would go for an RB first up.. I realize that we need to think about life after Gore and although Coffee may produce better yardage this year I am not convinced that Coffee is heir apparent as our feature back. So why not go for the OT or G that we need first and look for a a back in later rounds.

by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 16, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not Morgan at 13, Iupati at 17, Saffold at 49?

Morgan is one of the few guys who could upgrade our front 7. Iupati upgrades our weakest position. Saffold holds down the fort at RT. Go CB/S in 3rd and 4th

Leave RB for next year after we have a chance to see Gore and Coffee run behind a line NOT considered to be the worst in the NFL.

by jsteez on Mar 16, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Morgan is a pure 4-3 DE

He only sits around 270 and while he did stand up a little bit for Tech, that’s really not a strength of his. Plus much of his talents would be wasted as a 3-4 DE.

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well said

270 is not your prototypical 3-4 DE and so far away from it in fact that it would not bring value.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you're going OLB

It’s gotta be Brandon Graham.

by TexansDC on Mar 16, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kindle could be an option if Graham is gone

I like graham better than Kindle, but Kindle is somewhat more athletic and better in coverage i’d say. Additionally I’m a big fan of Jerry Hughes if we decide to trade back at all and we can grab him in the late first round

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like any one of those guys could thrive here. It’d be a great pick up…especially since I’m leaning more to passing on a RT in round 1 and grabbing more speed/athleticism (Spiller and/or Thomas and/or Graham).

by TexansDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That mock draft right there

makes virtualy are top 3 picks last draft was a bust we go get a high priced special teamer/running back when we got one of the best running backs in the game and just picked up coffee that makes no sense.Then we go get another safety from LSU go figures when we have’nt let are other safety show what he’s got instead we let a ball hawking safety (earl thomas) who had 10 picks go down to the 21st pick 2 reach 4 a running back at 13 th we just drafted a running back in the 3rd last year.That right there mentaly don’t sound right and it does’nt logicaliy fill our needs it cover up the picks we made last year and if the people who made the drafts last year should’nt be involved this year because there picks have’nt worked out.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Saying that thats what mock

drafts are supposed 2 start conversation so i do appreciate that drew and fooch ,and i heard somebody say this last night but i can’t remember who said it but if anybody can remember where it comes from let me know but the saying is ‘’’ keep us thirsty ‘’ isn’t that tight lol i know lol.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Jamie dukes makes my ass itch

he was just on NFL network talking that vick shhh, and its not his first time trying 2 throw vick on us .Don’t get me wrong if anyone saw any of my comments on vick i’m not here 2 hate on him and im with second chances but jamie is trying 2 ‘’’ force feed us vick ‘’ we just signed carr and we have a young ’’ nasty nate ‘’ who is agile younger and has a better arm yes i said better .But jamie dukes is ’’’ is trying 2 stuff a fat kid on thanksgiving ‘’ we don’t need vick right now we got other needs he acts like we are some second tier team that should be grateful if vick wanted 2 come here give it a break jamie its getting old

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Regarding the Oakland draft

I agree with the grade on Campbell, but honestly i’m not as sure on the 2nd round pick. Looking at the remaining players there’s really no one that could really help their area of needs (Al Davis is not going to take Colt McCoy and his noodle arm and doesn’t take a player who hasn’t run a 40 so no Bey Bey) without really overreaching. I suppose the only player that I would have potentially replaced would have been Saffold, but i’m not sold that he’s a legit OT and to use a high second round is clearly a risk. If people have other suggestions I’d like to hear them because I was honestly pretty stumped at that point when it came to maximizing the value of the pick.

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

It seemed like there was a lot of value still on the board after you took Robinson though. I agree with the value and he would be a lethal weapon out of a nickel package but they have their starters at Corner. Best would have been a nice compliment to McFadden and Bush. I see a good 5-8 guys that could have been selected at that spot instead of an area that they are thick at already.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought about that but Best seems somewhat of the same player as McFadden (fast, but often injured). Same thing goes for Dwyer (similar to Bush’s running style) Maybe safety with Burnett as it’s time to end the Michael Huff experiment? Taking Benn doesn’t seem probable (considering they took Heyward and Murphy last year). The team seems pretty set at LB with Howard and Morrison though I suppose you could argue them taking Bowman or Spikes (who i grade more like a 3rd/4th rounder). I guess I just had Robinson (who i see as the number 2 corner behind Haden) ranked so much higher value wise than anyone else left on the board

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

They need a defensive tackle pretty severly, that may have been a good way for them to go.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

But do you see them taking a NT (Cody or Thomas)? And Alalu and Houston seem to be sort of a reach that high in the second round

by HaloFanInDC on Mar 16, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they went “need” over BPA, which is a rareity in Oakland, I do think that Alualu could be the real pick there.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drew whatever happened 2 that DL we picked up

in the draft from florida a few years back i think he was a late round pick i just can’t remember his name 4 nothing??

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a big fan of dwyer when the season was in

but it seems he’s dropping like rock was it all about how he performed at the combine , because he was a solid runner during the season.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh one thing to note

You noted that the Broncos got a QB in Quinn but that happened after the mock draft. Quinn’s deal was done on Sunday and the mock was on Saturday.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand I was late, but the Giresham pick was YOUR selection.

I think everyone here knows that the Pats would not have made that move. I refute the grade as well.

JK, I won’t be late for another, I tell ya.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 16, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah! so there! LOL

Gresham..I’m not a huge fan of taking them high in the draft and I think that’s just a relic based on my age. Because I like the use of them in the game and they are a valuable tool. The Pats are down to Robert Agnone and Rob Meyers at TE and they were rookies last year, must have been UDFA. So that is a big need for them.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 16, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the Pats just lost Watson, didn't they?

A TE may make sense.

I just think it may be Gronkowski.

by TexansDC on Mar 16, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is takeo really cousins

with the other spikes from florida i heard someone say it just have’nt heard them say it yet but i also have’nt seen them asked ??

by jayjonna415 on Mar 16, 2010 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes theyre cousins

49ers are the best there was the best there is and the best there ever will be

by swagger on Mar 16, 2010 8:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

question about the grading

are the grades based off team need or talent of the player, or whether you think the team wouldnt do that? (ex: Campbell going to the raiders is very likely. Is it a good pick? Probably not. But it is realistic for the raiders)

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Mar 16, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s based off of the specific player and slot that they are picked. Also if I thought it was a good pick for whatever slot it was. It’s not necessarily based off of need or BPA per se. It was different for every team. Some teams had great value picks and other teams met team need with best player. I just dissected it on a case by case scenario.

For instance, you Raiders scenario had them taking Campbell at 8. While it met an area of need for them, it may not have been the best possible pick. Whether or not it was a “Raiders pick” wasn’t really relevent to the way I went about it. Each grade has a scenario next to it, and basically that is the way I matched grades to names.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew K on Mar 16, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO WAY IN THE 2ND ROUND!!!! THE 49ERS NEED ANOTHER O-LINEMAN HERE AND SAFFOLD OR THE KID FROM UMASS OR TERRANCE CODY WILL DO HERE!!! YOU WILL GET THAT PRESSENCE IN THE MIDDLE IN RELIEF OF FRANKLIN OR IN GOALINE SITUATIONS!!!!!

by slammin on Mar 29, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

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