Tim Tebow's New & Improved Throwing Motion
by Drew Kerr on Mar 17, 2010 9:33 PM PDT
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PrintTim Tebow has his pro day this afternoon and received a lot of praise for his efforts in correcting some of his mechanic flaws. Now, it's been well documented that smileyman and myself, among others, have had debate on both sides of the spectrum on whether or not he will amount to anything in the NFL. I have probably been one of Tebow's biggest critics, but as of late, I have been forming a not so biased opinion of him the more and more I see him work diligently to reach new heights. One thing most people acknowledged before was Tim Tebow's incredible work ethic, but today he really showed just how much hard work can pay off.
However, with that being said, it would be ill advised for Tebow to start anywhere immediately. His best chances of success will be to sit back and learn behind a veteran quarterback. Some of the pundits today mentioned that he needs to get in to a place like New England or Indy where he can soak up information and then take over once Brady or Manning hang 'em up. The Patriots have four picks in the first two rounds, so they could easily afford to spend one of those picks on him if he falls to those spots (22nd pick, 44th pick, 48th pick, and the 53rd pick). While neither of these teams may not persue Tebow, someone will take a chance on him. I really am thinking his success is contingent much on what team selects him. If he goes to an organization that is failing, it may not be the best situation for him to start out in.
The one thing that I will say about Tebow, is that he sure does know how to take things with a grain of salt and turn it in to something positive. He is a smart kid and he has been proving a lot of the critics (including myself) wrong. I find myself more and more intrigued with how he will develop at the next level. If the tangibles can meet up with the intagibles somewhere along the line of progress, he can be a effective quarterback someday.
Okay, now let me have my lumps... just make sure that you're careful about it, because there is still the chance that he may not pan out to anything.
Tim Tebow throwing at his Pro Day in front of scouts and coaches March 17th, 2010.
What team do you think will persue Tim Tebow as their quarterback of the future?
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I think that pic of tebow should be the next caption this
I agree that his success will depend on wich team picks him up. I think he would do best in NO
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by swagger on Mar 17, 2010 9:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Oh man
I have so many captions for that.
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by mountaindew77 on Mar 17, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Brendan Fraser auditions for a new movie, in which he plays a renegade cop who hunts people down with footballs. The movie will be rated PG and nobody will like it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is hard for me to say, because I like Brendan Fraser.
But he sure does make a lot of crappy movies.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LEMME SHOWYA SUMTHIN!!!
^^^
His face sort of looks like this in that picture.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
by Drew Kerr on Mar 18, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tebow would be best playing behind a vet that hasn't had tremendous success.
Cancel, the Vikes, Colts, Saints, and Pats. he doesn’t need that added pressure that comes with following a HOF, or potential HOF. Maybe Minnesota because Favre’s time there has been short.
I think Seattle would be perfect for him. The kid has the most important thing you need in any sport. WILL to strive and get better. I doubt you ever see him in a JeMarcus MINK.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I'm thinking Seattle too
which is why I had him going there in my most recent mock. Gives him a chance to learn the system for a year, maybe two, while working some more on his throwing motion
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
I doubt that happens with what the ’hawks just gave up for Whitehurt
by HaloFanInDC on Mar 17, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it was ridiculous amount of pay
But it seems like everytrhing is being over inflated in this fa market
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
I don't doubt it, because Tebow may take two seasons to be ready. Plus you have to consider college coaches are drueling over him, and where was Pete Carrol at last year??
College!!
Tebow to the Seahawks 14th overall.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Indy's no good
Peyton could play for another five to seven years.
I don’t think New England will take him.
New Orleans would be interesting…dunno if he’ll last til the end of round 3. For some reason, he was invited to NYC for the draft by the NFL.
Why wouldn’t the single most high profile name in the draft be invited to NYC, regardless of where he’s projected to land?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 18, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
And I bet that the NFL has polled teams to find out where he might go so they can bring him in without too much embarassment.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Nah, he’ll be there on day one snacking on a bag of Cheetos in the green room. I don’t think he is too worried. I think he knows he is going to be a millionare and have a chance to play proffesional football. He may be thankful enough for that which may help calm some of the nerves.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
this
he knows he will get drafted, and get to play football, even if only in practice for a while. The kid loves the game, loves studying, playing, the commradery (ok I can’t seem to spell that word right).
He’s not a “get as much as I can get” type of guy. He’s happy with whatever he’s given because he believes (as do I) that it comes from above and it exactly what you’re supposed to get.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
They're also bringing in 18 guys this year instead of 9
So it should be less embarassing.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you know what 18? Or has it not been determined yet?
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I'm not sure
I just heard that in passing. But I’m guessing Tebow won’t be the only who lasts until the second day. Although I think it would be smarter for Tebow to decline the invitation personally, because presumably he’s as unsure as we are about where he’s going to get drafted.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Some of those other 18 may still be in the green room on day 2 and there’s a few teams early in the first part of round 2 that could take him. He may not be the last one in there. But overall, I think it could get pretty embarrassing if it ends up that he is the last one out of that bunch to go
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Agreed.
Even waiting until day 2 seems embarassing.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He will go mid first to mid second, long gone before the third.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
The first day
Only includes round 1 this year, the second round has been moved to the second day of the draft.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 20, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
And Tebow
is, I think, a large part of the reason that they are going to have the ’Green room" for day 2 as well.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 20, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Colt McCoy
should be getting an invite and he’s likely to go in the 2nd. Don’t know of any others who would be projected 2nd rounders getting an invite.
Basically, the NFL is trying to glorify the draft as a big time event now. So they want every big name they can get to increase fan interest.
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
McCoy?
Poor guy, he’s going to be the last one there.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always thought that Tebow can succeed
But I don’t think that his pro day changed any minds. I think teams that are high on him can use this as evidence that he can be taught and teams that are high on him will say “Yeah it looked good but can he make those throws under pressure?”
I think the real thing this did is give teams an excuse to draft him. They can say “Look how much he improved in just a few months! Imagine if we had him for a full off season of workouts!”
Those are my thoughts anyhow
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Tebow is certainly an interesting prospect, for the 3rd round and below mind you. What I worry about is how he’d be recieved by the fans of the team that drafts him. A lot of people seem to have a vitriolic hatred of Tebow, but for what reason?
There are a lot of people out there who are Christian in name but not in spirit (before I go on I must state that i’m a Christian myself). I’m guessing that Tebow rubs a lot of people the wrong way because he isn’t shy about expressing the fact he’s a devout follower, which some people would translate as Tebow trying to force his faith on the public I guess, that he’s not genuine in his faith.
I can usually tell people who like to say their Christians and those that truly follow the Scriptures, Tebow doesn’t strike me as a faker.
Anyways I think Tebow can be very successful in the NFL granted he goes to the right system, aka team. Any team with an established, yet aging QB would obviously be best for him. Any team that forces him to start immediately would doom him to failure. The Patriots, Colts, Saints, Vikings (if Favre comes back) are all good places for him.
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Agree and disagree
There are a lot of people out there who are Christian in name but not in spirit …Tebow doesn’t strike me as a faker.
I think you’re right here: he does too many things that would be unintelligible if he weren’t who he says he is, and he’s from the kind of background and family that makes faith such a priority that it seems unlikely that he’s a faker (with the caveat that we’re all fakers to some degree!).
I’m guessing that Tebow rubs a lot of people the wrong way because he isn’t shy about expressing the fact he’s a devout follower.
Many of the most vehement Tebow-haters have their fires fueled by the fact that he is openly Christian—but you shouldn’t underestimate the effect of the fact that he’s been praised to high heaven (if you’ll excuse the expression) by the media. And when media types who have no idea about what kind of transition needs to be made from college to the pros start prognosticating based on a combination of ‘great character’ and ‘college success,’ that is what rubs people the wrong way.
I also agree that there may be situations in which he’d become a good quarterback, but there are more other situations in which he’d fail out of the league pretty quickly. The problem is that he’ll be more likely to go into one of the latter situations given the nature of the draft process.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
the problem is
that he is deserving of the attention because he is arguably the greatest College FB player ever. That warrants the praise, attention, etc. He wouldn’t get any of it if he wasn’t any good. There are a lot of good guys, Christians, coming out in the draft this year who aren’t getting this much attention.
People get all mad because they feel like because his next step is the NFL, and he’s possibly not going to succeed in the NFL, that everyone should stop talking about him and how good he is. It’s as if his future is all we can talk about, like he has to prove something to be worthy of any of this.
The guy accomplished unthinkable feats in the NCAA. He should get attention. I don’t hear many people saying he’s going to be the greatest NFL player (or even close) so why are we so upset about his future? It’s like we’re arguing with no one. “He was the greatest in NCAA but he wont be the greatest in the NFL”. Who said he would? Even his fans think he deserves a shot and have faith that he can become a good, not necessarily HOF, but a good, decent NFL player. That’s all. No more than any other prospect would have hopes for…to be a decent enough NFL player to contribute somewhat significantly.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Why we're "so obsessed"
Our particular attachment to a guy like Tebow has a lot to do with the fact that many think he deserves to succeed given a) his high character, b) his college success, and c) his unique physical skills, all of which have gone together up to this point . The controversy surrounding him is the result of the completely indeterminate relationship between these things. The interesting thing, to me, is that factor (a) has a highly spurious relation to NFL success—since I’m not a guy who thinks that ‘intangibles’ are what make or break a quarterback (that term seems like a term that subs in for a failure of analysis).
The fact is that the Lord makes the sun to shine upon Tony Dungy and Bill Belechick; to infer ‘well he has a), b) or c) therefore he deserves to have success’ is somewhat of an article of faith. I go back and forth about whether it’s fun to argue about, or whether this should all just go away.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
I dont think anyone deserves success
at least, not handed to them. Tebow along with the rest of us deserves a chance at it though.
Again, I’m not hearing anyone say that he WILL be a superb QB in the NFL because of anything he’s done, or who he is. Yet a lot of people seem to want to argue that point anyways.
Maybe their talking to the voice in their own heads?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
That throwing motion still looks reckless
His left leg still jaunts out from underneath him and throwing motion still isn’t nearly as fluid as you’d want it to be.
I wonder how he was taking snaps under center today..? I’ll admit though his dropback really did drastically improve
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
No snaps from under center at his proday.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I'm pretty sure that's far more of a problem than his release
If you’re fumbling snaps than you’re not going to get a chance to release the ball. <<<Capt Obvious!
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
I don't think anyone is going to draft him to start.
So he’ll have a good one to three years to figure that out in camp, preseason, and practice. When he get’s to the NFL, that is all he is going to be doing, so eventually he’ll get it. Taking snaps from under center is not rocket science and I am sure he will be able to handle something as simple as that. if he can revamp his entire throwing motion in 6 weeks, something like that will come fairly easy. Tebow is the kinda guy that is going to work hard on all his flaws. He knows he had issues doing that. He is taking one step at a time which I think is smart.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Revamping your throwing motion
in 6 weeks is NOT impressive at all.
Case and point here.. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/hunter-cantwell?id=81278#tabs:tab-analysis
Hunter Cantwell who improved his throwing motion greatly in just one week of East-West Shrine practices. (Possibly an exception to the rule, I’ll admit)
Tebow I think will eventually will become a TE based on the numbers he put up at the combine. Putting up a 6.66 in the cone drill really showed his agility(and potential route running ability), 4.71 40 is good speed for a TE.
TOO MANY problems with Tebow for me to rationally think he’ll be a good QB.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
Well that’s your opinion. I have been his biggest critic, but I’m not gonna bet against him anymore. His determination is scary. I don’t think I have ever seen another player with that much. He had to tweak his throwing motion a bit and has to learn how to take snaps under center… whoopie. It’s not that big a deal. There have been project players with much worse to overcome with less determination that have done so.
Your original point was regarding snaps under center anyway. Nice diversion tactic.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
His determination is scary. I don’t think I have ever seen another player with that much.
That’s a pretty impossible thing to measure isn’t it? Determination is not something you can see. How do we know Dexter McCluster or Sam Bradford or Toby Gerhart or Rolando McClain or some random undrafted guy don’t have as much or more determination? (It’s a pretty arbitrary thing anyways) We don’t see their work habits, how they act, etc. All we get is what the media tells us, and that’s not much for almost everyone in the draft.
I mean i get that the guy is really motivated and that’s a great thing, but it’s statements like this that make me dislike Tebow (not that I necessarily dislike him as a person). No one is qualified to say EVERYBODY probably has less determination than Tebow, particularly someone who probably hasn’t met anyone (or 99.9% of the guys) about to get drafted.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you never get a feeling on anything then from what people say and what you are able to see then huh? I didn’t like him either, and I stated in the article above that he still isn’t a sure fire thing.
Maybe I worded what you responded to above a little subjectively and it could have been worded differently. When I said, “His determination is scary. I don’t think I have ever seen another player with that much”, it may have been a bit over board. But I was more or less using it to emphasize what I have seen so far And I don’t think anyone in their right minds can deny it. Determination and motivation (which is the word you used) kind of go hand and hand.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I guess you never get a feeling on anything then from what people say and what you are able to see then huh?
Sure, but i don’t make sweeping statements like, “Player X probably has more determination than any player I’ve ever seen, based on what some people say about him”. Maybe you could say Chris Johnson is probably faster than anyone you’ve seen, but to say it about a psychological attribute just seems disingenuous to me. I really dislike pop pyschology in sports for the most part. If Tebow were some scrub would people still say the same things about his personality? Somehow I doubt it, but you don’t have to be talented to have determination.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you assume the statement is based off of what people have said? I have eyes and I can formulate my own opinion and often do.
I know you are absolutely anti-anything intangible, that’s been noted on more than one occasion. But just because it seems disingenuos to YOU, doesn’t mean it’s not there. These kind of things are going to be said until the end of time; I mean you can either accept it and keep that to yourself, or you can go on being a grouchy old man about it. Fact is, is that statements like that are used because perceptions are built based on performance and things that you can see on the surface.
It would be the same argument as me saying to you, (example not to be taken literally) “well you believe in God, and that’s just lame because you can’t see him”. It’s just sort of a diluted argument and you’re not going to get far with it no matter how much you express your displease with it.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I dunno, but he seems more determined than Russell has ever been in Oakland, and that's factually based.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
What a fool he lets all these whispers have him revamp
his whole throwing motion vince young has one of the ugliest throwing motions and all he does is win.Steve young held the ball lower than tebows and he’s a HOF im a lefty myself and everything we do sports-wise is uglyb,but we get it done.On top of that all lefties are way more athletic QBs than righties so tebow did’nt have 2 change his throwing motion because soon as he get in a regular game mode he’s going 2 revert right back 2 that old throwing motion it was all 4 nothing.
"lefties are way more athletic QBs than righties"
Huh? What? Evidence (non-anecdotal, please).
Sure Vick and Steve Young were lefties, but what do you mean by “more athletic”?
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
I would say a higher percentage of left handed QB's were more mobile, but that's easy to say because there are a ton of more right handed QB.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I wonder if that's because most pass rushers line up on the left side of the offensive line
so a left handed QB can see them coming easier
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Think of all the left handed QB's all I can think of except Linehart were mobile QB's
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
he's doing what it takes to get drafted
by a team that believes he can be a QB.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
He won't ever start in the NFL
If he doesn’t revamp his throwing motion.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He did what he needed to do to win in NCAA
He should be able to do the same in the NFL. Work hard, listen to the coaches, find a way to win. That means not giving up, continually working, making changes, etc. whatever it takes. If you’re getting sacked or throwing INT’s, you need to do more work!
Why is it so hard to believe that someone could do any of this?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
hilarious linkage
Saw this linked on the Pro Day summary on mocking the draft. It’s a must read:
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2010/3/17/1377300/tim-tebow-unveils-new-throwing
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Throwing motion aside
I know he makes jump throws,and he seems pretty accurate in the pocket, when he’s not pressured. What I don’t know is , is he accurate when he’s chased out of the pocket ,and running to the sidelines? Another question is , does he always keep his eyes downfield looking for receivers when he scrambles, or does he just revert to a runner when things break down ?
It doesn't matter.
I throw the football around in my yard and I change around my throwing motion occasionally to see what works the best for me, but if I was a real Quarterback and someone was charging at me I would go to my natural throwing motion because it is what I would be used to doing, especially when I don’t really have a lot of time to think about if I am using the new throwing motion a lot.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Tebow will shock all of the doubters, I just hope no of us at NN have to eat Crow.
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Funky throwing motion or not, he will find a way to get it done. Not all QB’s have the perfect motion, but still manage to find a way to be effective. Hard work and good coaching are going to help his mechanics, but might not ever make him look like the “perfect” QB. How many QBs have come in to the NFL with great mechanics and end up being a bust. How you throw the ball, (accuracy, touch, timing) and making good decisions are more important than what it looks like as you are throwing it.
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