Could Crabtree and Dez Bryant become the 49ers new Rice and Owens?
by Willy G on Mar 18, 2010 12:40 PM PDT
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Last year the 49ers made what I considered a great draft choice by selecting Michael Crabtree despite the contract stalemate. The 49ers seem like Alex Smith is the guy for now with the spread offense so why not surround him with all the talent on offense we can. Josh Morgan was highly inconsistent throughout the entire year whether he was starting or not. I cannot think of a more dominating young trio of receivers than Crabtree, Vernon and Dez Bryant. If he is available at 13 I would take him over C.J. Spiller or Trent Williams. There is a lot of depth at tackle so I'm sure we can pick one up in later rounds (Vladimir Ducasse?) Adding Dez to our team will cement our offense as one of the greats as long as Alex Smith's development continues. What does Niners Nation think about that?
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I wouldn't mind taking
Dez Bryant at 13 but we would have to draft a tackle at our next pick.
Can't be a good move.
2 divas, 2 of the same clients at the same position, what do we want to be the Cardinals with Boldin and Fitz, keep on elose one, or maybe lose both. No, No, No. Our QB does not hit receivers in stride and it’s hard to blossom. Crabtree’s route running is superior and he was probably the first option on more passes. I can’t give up on Morgan he played half his season with Hill and the other half with Smith, he is very inaccurate, IMO.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
can't give up on Morgan..
You don’t have to give up on him. Just realize he’s not a good #2 option for a supposed Super Bowl contender.
Dez Bryant would likely help the Niners offense and Alex Smith, but I doubt he’ll be available at #13 and I doubt Singletary would be satisfied with taking him. I’ve already explained a few times why he would be an outstanding selection.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Mar 18, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Because I thought one of the starting receivers for the Colts in the SB last year was #3 on the depth chart at the beginning of the season. You don’t need phenominal receivers to make it to or win the SB. Look at the Steelers in both of their recent SB wins and look at all the Pats SB’s. Receivers were average or just above.
Morgan is fine at #2 and if you want someone to challenge him, you don’t take it in the first round. You look to the 2nd or later at this point. We have one diva receiver, so we need a guy who plays for the team, not himself.
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Steelers?
Hines Ward is better than every single Niners WR. Santonio Holmes is probably better than every single Niners WR at this point.
There’s a reason Josh Morgan wasn’t taken on the first day of the draft and he hasn’t exactly shown anything to make me believe he’s a legit #2 target for a SB contender.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Mar 20, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What round you're taken in the draft is irrelevant.
Good players playing today and in years past haven’t all come from the 1st or 2nd round. There’s a guy named Joe from Notre Dame who was pretty good for us, 3rd round. Yet he wasn’t taken in the 1st. A player we all know who is our starting Center was taken in the 7th round. While making comparsions between Morgan and Hall of Fame QB’s isn’t the best argument, Morgan can still straighten himself out, it’s only his 3rd year in the league this season.
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Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 21, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
To quote Drew K
opinion, opinion, opinion.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
No, no, no, no no.
The team does not need another wideout. Give Morgan time to figure it out. He was very promising as a rookie, and while last year was a little disappointing, there’s no reason to throw him away just yet.
Remember why Matt Millen was the worst GM in the history of pro football? Because he kept taking wideouts when his team had other needs. What does Al Davis do consistently that has people scratching their heads? Take wideouts when his team has other needs.
The game of football is won in the tenches, people. Don’t be seduced by the pretty boys who rack up lots of stats – they’re getting those stats on the backs of the big ugly guys down in the dirty.
This would be a stupid, stupid, stupid move.
Last year disappointing?
I’d like to see Rice in his prime with this offense and see his production. Hill and SMith at QB, and the WR was disappointing? Can’t agree.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Ummmm...
Jerry Rice was drafted in the first round in 1985 and Terrell Owens was drafted in the 3rd round at pick 89 in 1985. Now JJ Stokes was a first round pick, pick 10 in fact. So they could just as well be that too or they could be Roy Williams and Charles Rogers. Either way I wouldn’t find it advisable to draft another round 1 wide receiver a year after drafting one in the top 10. That is unless the last pick was an utter mishap and the need was still a high priority need. Remember that this draft is thick with WR’s.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
Jerry Rice and John Taylor would have made more sense. The emergence of TO was a big reason they let Rice leave.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
JT is my boy!
I liked JT he would have been a starter on any other team but he was grabbed in the 3rd round as well and also that second year of the Rice era there were some doubts as to whether he would pan out or not. He wasn’t at that time looked on as a sure thing.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No
They definitely were not picked in the same year. TO was drafted in 96 I believe, Rice was like in the 80’s.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I would.
We have two first round picks. 13, and 16/17. Dez Bryant is no Charles Rodgers. Look at the film..Offense has been disappointing lately. DeSean Woods, J.J Stokes, Tai Streets, Glen Coffee, Pascoe Bear. Nothing about any of these guys spelled success. Dez is the truth. we could snatch up Bruce Campbell at 17. Dez, and Crabz spell DANGER to any CB tandem, even Cromartie, and company.
Rogers looked like a beast in college. College performance doesn't mount to much. I am not in a rush to Rashaun Woods my pick.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
So let me get this straight
You want to get:
Pick 13 – Dez Bryant
Pick 17 – Bruce Campbell
is that right?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I would cry, literally....
And it wouldn’t be tears of joy.
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I know we need a tackle but
I wouldn’t be opposed to grabbing spiller at 13 and bryant at 17 and getting a tackle in the second round we would be scary
this
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Dez Bryant has bust written all over him
he’ll be the biggest bust in this draft. 81% of all WR drafted in the 1st round bust. Bryant also has serious character issues. I’ve heard comments saying that he’ll need to have a handler to get him to team meetings on time, he has no drive, etc.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Trade up PLEEEASE FO.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Not up..it's blackjack deal
one up and one down :-) trade up the 13 and trade down the 17. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
NO!!!
Keep Morgan he a great compliment to Crabtree. He blocks downfield for the run, and for that TD Crabs made againts AZ, Morgan took the saftey and CB out of the play running a deep route while Crabs cut mid field and took it to the house.
Keep Morgan pass on Bryant and go get BERRY!!!
Niner Ball!!!!
by Batman559 on Mar 18, 2010 10:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think he has Eugene Parker as his agent...
Do we want to deal with this guy again with the best WR of the draft ? Thanks but no thanks! Also I am not 100% sold on him being the best college WR in this draft.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 19, 2010 4:02 AM PDT reply actions
Totally agree, 49ers should boy-cot any Parker represented player. Also, there are way too many character issues with Bryant. He has a rep for being a bad team-mate, late to meetings ect..
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Mar 19, 2010 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont think
the Niners are going to want to deal with Parker ever again, unless somehow none of our QB’s pan out and we’re forced to select one 1st round next year and Parker happens to be his agent.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
We'll have to
He’s Chilo Rachal’s agent as well as Crabtree’s
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Sure… but you don’t want to keep stock piling on his clients because eventually he could have some real leverage
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I wouldn't let the agent be the determining factor in picking up a guy
I think Dez Bryant will be a huge bust.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Rachal actually fired Parker awhile ago.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Against Mock Drafts with the Niners taking Joe Haden since 2009.
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 19, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He's still listed on Parker's website as being a client
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Not anymore.
Link.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Against Mock Drafts with the Niners taking Joe Haden since 2009.
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 21, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Link fail. Let me try that again.
http://twitter.com/MattMaiocco/status/8430277180
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Against Mock Drafts with the Niners taking Joe Haden since 2009.
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 21, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
He's still listed on Parker's website
http://www.maximumsports.com/clients/
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
He's not with Parker
It was news a while back ago.
I believe he hired Rosenhaus (Gore’s agent).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
Just saying that Parker has him listed still
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
I guess he's lazy
Or the proper paperwork hasn’t been filed yet.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Naw, the team won't really care.
They won that negotiation, after all. It just took a while. It was Parker who had his nose bloodied.
If anything, they should feel pretty good negotiating with him at this point, because he knows when they say, “this is our offer,” that they mean it.
One of the reasons that players have agents, and owners and coaches have GMs, is so that they can tussle about money without hurting the coach-player relationship.
But it’s not like Parker has every client stage a holdout. He had half a point – nobody in their right mind takes another WR over Crabs in that draft. But even if he did, to take someone other than the player you want because he might hold out for a couple of games his rookie season is just dumb – especially when you know the agent will blink rather than let his client sit out a whole season.
I agree with you on a few points...
The agent probably will not be the final factor of who they will pick. I personally think if they have 2 players on the board that they consider even as far as value then they would go with the guy not represented by Parker if they have that choice.
I also think that Bryant has not showed much this year because of his suspension and not working out at the combine. He is a big risk at this point and we need a fast slot reciever like Tate or Ford.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 19, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It was Parker who had his nose bloodied.
All that may be true, but fact is, our first round draft choice did not play for nearly the first half of the season
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Sure. But so what?
You don’t make draft picks based on what the guy will do the first couple of games of his rookie season. You draft for the long haul.
Think about it. Parker has another client. He says to them, “I think if you hold out, I can get more money from the Niners?”
What client would ever agree to that, at this point?
(And that’s even assuming the Niners draft a player who has half as compelling a reason to expect more money that Crabtree did. But holdouts into the regular season are very rare for a reason: it takes exceptional circumstances, like Bey being taken over Crabtree, for anyone to even consider that they might be able to pry some extra money loose from the team).
You said nobody would take another WR before Crabs
Did you forget the Raiders drafted Bey before Crabs?
by 49er fan for life on Mar 20, 2010 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I said "nobody in their right mind."
That was my entire point. Parker/Crabtree’s argument was that Bey was such a ridiculous pick that Crabtree should be paid as if he were taken higher.
It’s not like Crabtree and Parker were claiming that he should be paid higher just because they were being prima donnas. The fact that every single draft board except the Raiders had Crabtree significantly above Bey was what prompted the holdout.
9er picks
I dont know the names of the players,but i think we need ot to help smith and gore and a
dt to complement willis ? i saw games where gore didnt get far off the line and if we get
someone to get to there qb like they do to us then that what we should get
OL is a much bigger need
but Bryant is going to be a really good player. He’s big, fast, and brings a different dimension than Crabtree, who’s more of a possession receiver. If QB protection and weak run blocking weren’t issues, Bryant could make us a very potent offense. Morgan is nice, but he’s not quick/fast/big enough to create mismatches. His run blocking, though, is phenomenal. Personally, I’d prefer Tate in Rd. 2 if he’s still there.
We really need
a breakaway threat (and or) a quick slot receiver with great hands . Bryant is not that player. Jacoby Ford has been bandied about as a possible choice for us ,and I agree with that assesment.. Bryant’s 40 time is somewhere in the mid 4.5’s , definitley not fast !
We have Hill already who is one of the faster recievers in the league. Jhavid Best could be a good option in the 3rd round, plus I’m not sold on Coffee either.
Not sold on Coffee, but you can firmly say we have Hill, who isn't geting on the field, and it isn't because of injury?
Those statements are very contradicting. Hill is fast without pads and cleets, he doesn’t appear to be fast at getting time or getting open too often.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Hill has at least made plays. Coffee hasn’t done much of anything
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Coffee didn't have much of a chance and he plays a different position.
If that’s the case you coul compare hill to Crabtree and almost say we didn’t need him. he produced about as many TD’s considering the amount of playing time.
So he makes more plays than Crabtree, right?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
He had close to 100 touches, it’s not like he had 10 or something. What’s the average for a starter? Maybe 220 or so? If that? So he had close to 50% of what a starter would. He dropped simple screen passes and missed blocks, etc. He did enough for these eyes to validate being unsure of him as the #2 heading in to next season. If Gore went down the first game and we didn’ have a back up plan, we may as well just start posting the official offseason posts right then and there.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
He's a rookie and no one drafts a perfect rookie. Jacobs had a horrific start ot his career and how did that turn out.
88 carries for Coffee, almost 100 makes it sound more. He played with Hill in his games with 9 in the box and Gore wasn’t that good with Hill, he was hurt. Coffee had 25 of those carries vs one of thebest run defenses and they had 9 in the box. The sample size with an inept OL is not enough of a sample size to justify giving up on him.
88 carries vs 220 carries is closer to 33 pct than 50. Let’s not inflate the numbers to make your point sound more valid, it is huffin’ and puffin’ and not enough to convince me that he doesn’t deserve another year.
If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts
1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull
Ford is too small.
I’d rather have Gilyard.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Gilyard 2nd round, Ford 3rd maybe 4th
For what it will cost I’d take Ford with a 3rd and be fine with him.
If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts
1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull
I see more upside in Gilyard
IMO, he’s worth a 2nd.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Dez Bryant
Wouldn’t mind bringing him in, as long as we get a secondary player or tackle outside the draft. If we get Pacman and he looks like he can be a significant contributor from the get-go, then I wouldn’t mind that pick at all.
It depends
Well considering he falls that far…he would be a very tempting pick…problem is would u pick him over C.J. Spiller?…the only way u would pull the trigger on the pick is the niners have to be confident they can still get a quality tackle down the line and they have to be confident that Smith can get the ball to them and survive the season cause the offensive line needs help.
I would not draft him over Spiller, no way.
I would not take a 1st round WR at all. We did that last year. And another thing, Rice and TO had a decent QB right?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
BEST PAIR OF WR'S ON NINER'S AT THE SAME TIME OF ALL TIME
Hands down is RICE & TAYLOR, TAYLOR is the best receiver behind RICE hands down, no pun intended. If RICE never played for the 49er’s, TAYLOR would have showed he was better than t.o. He would have set all the records that RICE SET. No questions ask, he was an explosive PR and made people miss like GEORGETOWN did against OHIO in the first round game of MARCH MADNESS. my choice would put FREDDIE BARNES on the other side of THE TREE. I like the pick of KYLE WILSON, HE IS THE REAL DEAL, BUT I DON’T THINK HE WILL BE AOUND WHEN WE PICK AT 13.
BOOK IT DANO (CUT-N-DRY)
I can almost agree with you....
As much as I hear folks say that Jerry rice is the greatest receiver of all time….there’s no receiver in history that is great without a great trigger puller. Rice was as good as he was because he had the fortune of playing with Joe Montana and Steve Young. 2 trigger pullers that were tough, accurate, knowledgeable and persistant when it came to the game. Both HOF’ers by the way. That got there, by haveing the fortune of playing with a great receiver like Rice. I am not sold as of yet on Alex Smith being even mediocre at this point. The vaunted offense of the Rams SB winning “Greatest show on Turf” had the likes of Az Hakim, Issac Bruce, Marshall Faulk, and Tory Holt. Yet, they started the year with Trent Green as the trigger puller. But, didn’t become great until Kurt Warner took over.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
You think he'll be there then?
If Berry falls to 7....#7, #39, #71 = 2245 pts 49ers #13, #17, #141 = 2235 pts
1. E Berry 2a) M Gilyard, 2b) Calloway 3a) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 3b) J Jerry/M Johnson OG 4. Deji Karim 5. Rafael Priest 6. Alex Daniels 7. Josh Hull
It's possible
There is lots of depth at WR.
I’d be OK with him in the 2nd.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
my mock is better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alot of 49er fans want cj spiller others want trent williams and some want both. but this mock draft has neither and this mock draft will most likely happen so here we go
1a.WR, dez bryant-he is a beast and a very good KR,PR, and he will be another weapon for smith just imagen him with crabs,vd and morgan
1b.RT, anthony davis-this guy has the biggest upside of all the lineman in the draft and he is a stud, he will anchor our line.
2.OLB, jerry hughes-he is a beast in his own rights he will provide pass rush and he reminds me of lammar woodly.
3.SS, major wright- a really good safety ball hawk and a hard hitter and might be the steal of the draft.
4.ST, leroy van- might be a reach but his stock is rising fast , and he will provide CB deph and tied with cj spiller in PR,KR,TD’s but he is a project but in the mean time he will be a special teamer.
5.ILB, micah johnson- a big phisical line backer great in the box and will provide deph and when spike retires he and scott mkillop will fight for starting position.
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