Where do we go from here? [Updated]
by smileyman on Mar 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT
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PrintIt's been an exciting 24 hours in 49er land. Just before 9PM last night (Pacific Time) Matt Maiocco broke the story that Scott McCloughan was considering stepping down as GM. About an hour and a half later McCloughan's agent says that Scot was not resigning as GM, despite reports that his office was being cleaned out. Early this afternoon Jason LaConfora of NFL.com reports that McCloughan is indeed leaving, although it might only be temporary as Adam Schefter is reporting that this is an extended leave of absence whilst McCloughan tends to personal matters. The 49ers are keeping mum throughout this whole process, leading to rampant speculation.
Updated information from Matt Barrows. Scott McCloughan sent a text earlier today that said he was proud of his work with the organization.
"I know what I did for the organization and I'm really good with it
He was also seen at the Murray State/Vanderbilt basketball game earlier today. I have an incredibly difficult time believing that a family emergency that was serious enough to require him taking a personal leave of absence from the 49ers is mild enough for him to attend a basketball game the very next day. Something is very fishy about all of this
I wanted to take a look at McCloughan's history with the 49ers and review his job performance a little.
Scot McCloughan joined the 49ers in 2002 as the vice president of personnel. In 2008 he was elevated to the position of General Manager. Since 2005 the 49ers have drafted some outstanding talent:
2009
Draft: Michael Crabtree, Glen Coffee, Nate Davis, Bear Pascoe, Scot McKillop, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, Brit Miller
Free Agents: Takeo Spikes, Moran Norris, Demetric Evans, Brandon Jones, Shane Andrus, Diyral Briggs (UDFA), Chris Patrick, Derek Walker
2008
Draft: Kentwan Ballmer, Chilo Rachal, Reggie Smith, Cody Wallace, Josh Morgan, Larry Grant
Free Agents: Isaac Bruce, Justin Smith, Takeo Spikes,
2007
Draft: Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Jason Hill, Ray McDonald, Jay Moore, Dashon Goldson, Joe Cohen, Tarrell Brown, Thomas Clayton
Free Agents: Nate Clements, Michael Lewis,
2006
Draft: Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Brandon Williams, Michael Robinson, Parys Haralson, Delanie Walker, Marcus Hudson, Melvin Oliver, Vickiel Vaughan, Moran Norris
Free Agent: Tony Wragge
2005
Draft: Alex Smith, David Baas, Frank Gore, Adam Snyder, Ronald Fields, Rasheed Marshall, Derrick Johson Daven Holly, Marcus Maxwell, Patrick Estes, Bill Bajema
Free Agents: Joe Nedney
2004
Draft: Rashaun Woods, Justin Smiley, Shantae Spencer, Derrick Hamilton, Isaac Sopoaga, Richard Seigler, Andy Lee, Keith Lewis, Cody Pickett, Christian Ferrara
2003
Draft: Kwame Harris, Anthony Adams, Andrew Williams, Brandon Lloyd, Aaron Walker, Arnaz Battle, Ken Dorsey
2002
Draft: Mike Rumph, Saleed Rashad, Jeff Chandler, Kevin Curtis, Brandon Doman, Josh Shaw, Mark Anelli, Eric Heitmann, Kyle Koiser, Teddy Gaines
49ers haven't been very active in free agency since Scot McCloughan joined the organization. The biggest signings have been Nate Clements and Justin Smith. The rest of them have been veteran free agents who sign with the team have been veteran free agents who are solid, but not spectacular players. Since 2005 when McCloughan took over full-time duties as GM the drafts have gotten better as well, especially the mid to late rounds. Overall I'd have to give McCloughan a B for his efforts as the 49er GM.
So where do we go from here? Trent Baalke is the director of player personnel so I think he would be the most likely to step in. Paraag Marathe is the VP of business and football operations so it might fall to him as well. The other big question this move brings up is how it affects the draft. Matt Maiocco reports that the 49ers draft board is mostly set, with only a few minor adjustments to be made as Singletary makes calls and interviews prospects. If that's the case then this move shouldn't throw too much turmoil into the draft.
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Not sure, but I get the feeling...
That this was more than just a football decision…Either way, whether it was because of a personal matter, or a personnel matter (Pun Intended) I wish Scot the best. The timing of this whole thing is horrible, I actually had faith in Scot as a GM. I have a feeling that we won’t be taking spiller after all. :(
Spiller
You don’t know that… Singletary may really want him. Besides, no matter what the situation is, they already had the board pretty much finished. They’ll now start bringing guys in for interviews soon. If “they” meaning all 49ers personel that was at the Combine interviewed Spiller, then the interest will more than likely still be there. I don’t think whatever is going on with Scot will have any bearing on what the 49ers have discussed prior to all this.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Ou offense could use him, but will not be doomed without him. Alex Smith is what matters most to the offense.
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
by rlott#42 on Mar 18, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am probably the biggest advocate of wanting Spiller here, but I have to say that I agree with this.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
That you are, and I am not against getting him, but the same goes for E Berry, no rookie goin somewhere else is gonna kill us.
BUT, Spiller and Berry can easily both end up in seattle.
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I guess my biggest hope is not for any specific player, but that we draft guys that are going to significantly make a big difference, even if it isn’t in year one. But I would love to see Spiller or Berry for that matter wearing Red & Gold next year
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Brilliant.
rec’d
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 18, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think smiley is being 2 symphathetic with scott giving him a ' b '
at best he’s a ‘’ c- ’’ he was extra cheap yea he got lucky on some light round picks but he failed on his high draft picks. I think this was the best thing that could happen 4 us and about the timing im glad he is gone now before the draft because we woud of been stuck with under-performing high draft picks and over-performing low draft picks. As a fan this sentimental crap is getting played 2 3 or 4 years ago fans were screaming ‘’ get rid of him and mike nolan ’’ fast-foward now and we got people saying why they do this right now i rather right now a month before the draft and months before the season so good riddens scotty mcc peace oooouuttt
by jayjonna415 on Mar 19, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Correction...
For our offense and special teams sake* :)
I doubt that this is a temporary thing,,
Most of us know that a football organization is like any other business organization. When changes come at the top they a rarely “temporary”. A notable exception would for Mr Jobs at Apple which brings me to this:
1) this is not likely a temp situation regarles of the spin from the organization… or
2) it is temp and could be related to some sort of medical issue or perhaps some sort of rehab.
In any event I believe that this will work out best for the draft and other FA or other trade acquisition. I smell a real push from the top ( Jeb) to make this “the year”
Most of us know that a football organization is like any other business organization.
People take leaves of absence all the time in the regular business world for personal reasons.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
True.. but
A “sudden” leave for a senior official is not normal unless there is a medical, legal, or other issue that requires some distancing of the official from the organization.. Just offering my opinion..
by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 18, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The wierd thing to me...
was moving all of the files suddenly last night. That, and York flying in from London. ScotM leaving was sudden. This is the part that is curious.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
hm
i’m going to go against my normal self and try to be positive. the 9ers will be just fine.
shrug
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
the board is already there has been for a while
probably about a week if not more. Will it be exactly the same draft as if Scotty M was in the war room? No? Will it be drastically different? Probably not drastically. Opposed to Jahov’s feeling I think the chances of taking Spiller, if he is there, have actually increased. Scotty is (was) the one that “liked ’em big”.
If they didn’t have their board pretty much set by now then I would be worried and whether Scotty was still here or not.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions
It may be that the "BOARD"
didn’t meet with ownerships (and possible others) opinion.. I don’t know it just seems like something went south..
by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 18, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
again it has been reported
that he is leaving for personal issues. I think Pat Kirwan said it nicely “In about 5 to 6 days we’ll see if we can’t get Scotty to give us a call on the show and let us know what is going on with him.”
It’s not exactly easy for a company to “lie” to the public and say that a person was leaving the organization due to personal issues when it is actually due to other reasons. Too many things to cover up.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
A personal example
At my work my immediate boss who did a fine job, had his wife of many years suddenly have a seizure. He took her to the doctor and things were found that meant she was unable to drive the kids anywhere and many other such details. Based on that he had to do most of his work from home. I for a while was the interim manager and then due to another division closing another restructuring was done. It is still quite possible that he will come back to his original position or other things may take place. I may again be put as the manager of our department or who knows. Personal issues occur and an organization deals with them as best as they see fit and that is why they are organizations.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That could easily be smoke screen, maybe Scot wanted to trade up and was bashed ofr it?
You never know, but I gurantee you the personal reasons is not the truth.
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Could be ..could not be...
ya know sometimes people just tell it as well as possible like it is. :)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed on that..
In any event this does make the upcoming draft very interesting. Not that it wasn’t before but now we a bit of mystery to add to the mix…
by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 18, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
especially considering what he texted earlier today
“I know what I did for the organization and I’m really good with it
Barrows reported that he was attending the Murray State vs Vanderbilt game. I think if the personal emergency was such that he had to leave the organization suddenly he wouldn’t be attending a basketball game
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2010/03/mccloughan-watc.html
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Maybe he...
Nah I got nothing, that is weird.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
LoL
seems like most are trying to either go all CSI or Chicken Little on this. My take is that we pretty much have the same team as before to handle the draft. Things will come out over time and we’ll have a clearer picture. Patience is not easy that’s why it’s called a virtue :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Life does go on for beat writers. They have to report what is going to get the most attention…. right now March Madness is in full swing… unlikely that a leave of absence is going to draw any attention over that
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Huh?
Barrows wasn’t attending the game-McCloughan was.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
And you really don't leave a game
unless you have an emergency..a family or business emergency. It was unexpected. All we can do is wait for more facts to come out.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
McC was at the game today
24 hrs after the closed door meeting with the 49ers senior staff.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Oh ok that's what I get ...
for not reading the article and doing silly stuff like hanging here and talking to my wife and such LOL :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not exactly easy for a company to "lie" to the public and say that a person was leaving the organization due to personal issues when it is actually due to other reasons. Too many things to cover up.
It’s still within the first 24 hours. Right now, it’s incredibly easy.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
If McC
isn’t there to run the draft, who will call the shots in april ?
Do you think
that they will have someone within the organization step up to handle the draft,(for continuity’s sake), or look outside the front office for a different approach ?
Just asking for best guess.
Someone with the organziation for the draft
and I bet they hire a new GM from within as well.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
It will only be considered an interim job if Scot M really is just on a personal leave of absence.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Interim as in just for the draft
and then they look for the full-time guy
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
I think I read somewhere
that the plan was that Baalke and Maarathe (sp?) and Sing would handle the draft. Essentially Baalke and Maarathe taking over for Scotty. I’ll try and find the look.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I seen it too, Scot is done.
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I see that as
this is going to be a Mike Singletary draft. He’s gonna get the guys he wants.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I heard the reason they let scotty go
is because he was caught rolling butt-naked thru ‘’ wendy’s ’’ and all he had on was 2 copper nipple rings and a burgandy niners head band.
by jayjonna415 on Mar 19, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
if they didn't have contingency plans
whether spoken or unspoken..then that would worry me…no I doubt they’re going to grab someone from outside to run the draft. Just as when a coach is fired or has to leave during the season they find another coach to take over as interim coach.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
BOOBIES
The draft board.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 18, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
anyone else want
Jahvid Best w/ our second or third pick? I’d be totally ok w/ that. Kid makes plays.
"He's so fast, he can turn off the lights and be in bed before it gets dark!" -- Lee Corso on Jahvid Best in NCAA 10.
Not I said, I
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
he'd cost us
a second round pick. I think the positives and negatives of that have been discussed in the mock draft and free agency threads.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry LOL misread that
for some reason i read Jahri Evans and thought of Jermon Bushrod LOL Either waythat has really been discussed ad nauseam in the mock draft threads
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
no one like djax in the first round either, hmmm. I’ll check out the mock draft thread, my bad.
"He's so fast, he can turn off the lights and be in bed before it gets dark!" -- Lee Corso on Jahvid Best in NCAA 10.
typo there.. lol.
jeesh!
"He's so fast, he can turn off the lights and be in bed before it gets dark!" -- Lee Corso on Jahvid Best in NCAA 10.
McC hasn't been released.
Adam Schefter made a good point, he said that if McC was fired or resigned that there would have been a press release by the Niners, there hasn’t been one. Temporary leave doesn’t require a press release.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!
Temproary leave= smoke screen
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Agreed.
My gut is telling me (as I posted on the other shot) that if the drinking rumor is true maybe he is checking himself into rehab. Once he is out, maybe he has his job right back.
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Mar 18, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I asked him about this and he sent me this tweet
I’m not saying he’s with niners. Just saying he’s not out yet. Eventually it’ll get there. But not there yet. Leave of absence for now.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 18, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
2002, 2003, and 2004 were extremely horrible drafts.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Weren't they?
Wonder if that’s why McC got promoted to GM. The drafts that he’s been fully responsible for have actually been pretty good, especially in the mid rounds
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
McC
Didn’t join the 49ers until 2005 you said…
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Mar 18, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
2002 he was VP of personell
became GM in 2005
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Oh ok..
Scot McCloughan joined the 49ers in 2005 as the vice president of personnel. In 2008 he was elevated to the position of General Manager.
That’s what it says up there. Not disagreeing with you, maybe you hit the 5 accidentally? or am I just reading it wrong?
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Mar 18, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I may be wrong here
But I’m pretty sure Nolan brought McC in, in 2005 as VP of Personnel. Then in 2008, when Nolan was demoted to just coach, McC was promoted to GM. The 2002-2004 drafts were all Terry Donahue. There is a reason why 2005 got significantly better.
But yeah, the line from the haters has always been that both McC and Coach Sing are Nolan guys, so nothing’s really changed with the firing of Nolan. Which would indicate McC was not on the team before Nolan.
It’s almost as if Terry Donahue was incompetent or something.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Mar 18, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Mar 18, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
What! No?
We still have four starters on the team from those 3 years. Those are the only four guys left on the team though. According to some posters on the site since Donahue got 4 starters in 3 years he has to have been a good GM!
Anyways McC gave us much improved drafts. Whether you like him or not, he has been a leading figure on getting this team on the right track. Hopefully, if he leaves he’ll see his work come to fruition in the playoffs this year.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 18, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I think McC has done a great job and I really hope he comes back.
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Mar 18, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry folks but he is done.
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
That’s what it seems like.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 18, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
If he comes back, it may not be as the GM. Maybe they offered him a different job in the front office and he was put off by it. So he’s “thinking it over”.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I don't see a promotion...
to a demotion a reason to stick around.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
I think most people would have a tough time with that in any job if that was indeed the case, and particularly when you are in a spotlight type of job like that.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
From what it seems...
after hearing Maiocco on KNBR today, it seems ScotM is pretty much a goner in Santa Clara. MM said it wasn’t about job performance or a difference in philosophy. It’s something that’s very sensitive, and neither the 49ers or ScotM will elaborate on it for a lot of reasons.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
Maybe he was caught
Lookin like a fool with his pants on the ground
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
maybe he has a monica Lewinsky in the office?
Never know.
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Barrows is speculating that it's related to divorce proceedings
that his wife brought against him. http://www.49erswebzone.com/content/commentary/view.php?id=820
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
that sucks.
My own personal mini-theory was that he hit the sauce a little too hard, as evidenced by his rosy cheeks (rosacea)
But I’m no MD.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I don't get it
What does that have to do with quitting your job? It just doesn’t make any sense to me…
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Obviously
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 18, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
We got Lee in 2004
Take it back!
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by mountaindew77 on Mar 19, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
A question of semantics and logistics…the 49ers are still trying to figure this out…bottom line he’s not going to be back any time in the near future.
^excerpt from Adam Schefter talking (heard on the radio)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions
I'll listen better next time
and try to take better notes :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm anxious to join morefalsehope and start bashing the Yorks.
I need to know exactly what happened though.
For some reason I’m reminded of Mooch.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Maybe MoreFalseHope is McC?
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Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 18, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think, and this is just speculation, that the Niners other counterparts in the FO, want to make moves in FA, or didn't like what Scot had on the board.
Either way, or if another reason I believe McBOO FOO IS DDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scot I didn't mean to scare you, I just wanted Berry, come back!!
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
It's gonna be funny
How many people will want him back if the 9ers have a bad draft or pick bad FA’s the next season or two. As I’ve stated I think he’s done a good job and I’m betting we’ll all regret seeing him go.
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Mar 18, 2010 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
i want him back already
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 19, 2010 10:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Per guys on the radio
1) Chester Pitts left his last visit without a contract.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 5:56 PM PDT reply actions
I didn't think he'd sign
He’s got lots of offers to think about and go over with his agent
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
and no one to offer him a contract from San Francisco.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 18, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes there is..
it’s the Yorks money and all that needs doing is drawing up of a contract.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And I'm sure that most of the contracts are pre written
just needing to fill in the blanks with the amount of money being offered
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
per his twiter account
He hasn’t left.
He had dinner with solari yesterday and is going to have a physical today
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 19, 2010 10:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A physical huh?
That’s good news. If he’s having a physical it means he might be close to signing.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
It brings hope...
but doesn’t mean anything really. Since he was injured last year, I’d think anyone with moderate interest after initial meetings would request an immediate physical to gauge his recovery and overall health. I’m still keeping my fingers crossed though, as this would be a good addition if he’s healthy.
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
He's the perfect lineman for a zone blocking system
which is what they run in Houston. 6’4, 308 lbs. He’s been incredibly durable. In 9 seasons he hasn’t missed a game except for this year.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
I'm aware...
that’s why I’m hopeful. It would make for acceptable competition for Baas. The durability has to be questioned now though that he was just injured. Was it an MCL?
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It was an MCL but assuming he passes his physical I don't think durablity will be a problem
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THIS IS GOOD NEWS PEOPLE!!!
EDDIE D IS COMING BACKKK!!!!
Source: my imagination
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 18, 2010 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's my Agatha Christie inspired conspiracy theory.
Here’s what we know.
1) At around 9PM PT Maiocco tweeted that McC was “stepping down.”
2) We know that Jed York was in London for the NFL game when he hastily flew the 6,000 miles back to the Bay.
3) Less then 24 hours after the first rumors came out McC was seen at an NCAA tournament game in San Jose.
4) From what we can see McC and Sing had a good, working relationship.
5) From McC’s recent body of work, there is no reason to fire him.
So here’s my theory. McC came to the office yesterday intending to resign his post as GM because he doesn’t feel comfortable as a GM. He prefers to be either a scout or a player personnel type, just looking at his drafts one can tell he’s an excellant college scout. Jed got wind of this and hurried home to the Bay Area to talk face-to-face with McC to try to convince him to stay. McC couldn’t then come up with a decision so Jed gave him a few days off to think about. He goes to San Jose to take up a basketball game to relax. Beat writers get told by the FO that McC was on “temporary leave,” to make his decision on whether to stay or go. And that, mes amis , is the story.
Of course i’m probably very wrong.
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Credit to iaalexeeff
Eat Shitake!
yeah but
“I know what I did for the organization and I’m really good with it,”
This quote says it all. I know what I did (past tense). He’s gone.
He seems like he is maybe reassuring himself. “I know what I did”, as if the others weren’t so impressed? Implying that he was asked to leave as opposed to him stepping down. Or at least that there was maybe a disagreement, and he left because he wasn’t getting the freedom/power to do his job. Someone said earlier that perhaps the FO wasn’t happy with his lack of free agent signings. I was thinking the opposite, like he wanted to get some players but the ownership wasn’t allowing him. I know he likes to build for the draft, but he has definitely shown he is willing to make a splash in free agency. Maybe he felt he couldnt do it his way, for whatever reason.
+1 on that..."
that is so right… as in a novel “…Soon we will know the identity of this….. mystery….”’’
by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 18, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you might be close...
So here’s my theory. McC came to the office yesterday intending to resign his post as GM because he doesn’t feel comfortable as a GM.
This is the only part that I am not so sure on. I’m going to guess that it is personal as in medical and that the rest of your thinking- Jed flying in to talk him out of it etc. is spot on. McC hasn’t done anything football related to deserve getting fire at this point in the season unless York told him to go out and sign Peppers or else and he thought York was kidding around. Maybe we are both wrong but to me, this smells of personal health issues that require him to step away before the craziness of the draft sets in. Either way, good luck Scot.
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but
i’ve been reading about this beign about a power struggle. if that’s the case then i doubt this is temporary. it sounds like he’s gone and the 9ers are just trying to find a slick, low key way to spill the beans without causing too much of a stir.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
the butler did it...
or was is it that he got too. close to the abominable family member with all those super bowl rings….?
by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 18, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The power struggle rumors were all speculation
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Maiocco on KNBR..
might have hinted at a ScotM burnout already. Maybe he was in over his head as GM, and that lead to his personal life getting out of control. MM said he was fine at just being a personnel guy. Maybe the Crabtree thing pushed him over the edge, LOL.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
What is gonna become of our draft?
Anyone worried about that? How about UDFA’s? Will we be needs based or BPA now?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
The Niners will just pay the "ESPN Insider" fee and use Kipers big board.
Plus, they can send the free subscription of ESPN the Magazine to Jed York to bone up on his sports knowledge- solid stuff in that mag.
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by jjham15 on Mar 18, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Draft Berry and that won’t be a problem.
by manraj7 on Mar 18, 2010 8:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
im really scared
I don’t want the team to regress again
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 19, 2010 10:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I Have Been Under A Rock For The Last 11 Hours!!!
I am more confused than when the story broke last evening. What is happening?
Did Scott M receive an extended leave of absence?
Is he leaving the 49ers for good?
I honestly have no idea what is going on!!!! Was working with numbers and figures for the last 11 hours, locked in a room, shutters down, no internet, no outside communications. Just me and economic chronies that don’t know crap about football.
Please help me out. PLEASE!!!!
"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 18, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions
Mc C is gone, IMO.
It was announced as a leae of absence, but it appears he was asked to take a demotion. His agent commented he is not stepping down, and I think that the leave of absence is in place until the contract is sorted out. There was a meeting with the big wigs and McC had his files in his office cleaned out.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Thanks
I did know most of it, especially what occurred last night,. Just been out of the loop for the better part of today.
Hey Lott we missed you during that epic thread last night..
Don’t abandon me again LOL
"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 18, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
which thread?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
This one
You thought the David Carr thread was epic—this one got to 576 comments
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/3/17/1378831/maiocco-reports-mccloughan#comments
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Yeah What
Smileyman said below….. One of the most epic things i have ever seen in my entire life. Kinda said i know
"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 18, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what she said...maybe
Don’t abandon me again LOL
Could that be the real deal? Maybe the wife said she was tired of being left alone and such to have to deal with things of the house and family all by herself. Maybe he decided that given the choice of remaining GM or remaining her husband, he would choose to remain her husband and therefore take a less time consuming and mind consuming job.
Or LOL
Maybe she caught him [site decorum]-ing on her and threatened to cause a huge deal in the press.
I agree with hudd that it was not a power struggle if there was a power struggle it was more probably with Nolan.
Regardless I feel the structure for the draft is reasonably set up and things will work along reasonably close to the way they would have before the draft and without having a stressed out man heading the war room who is more worried about his current personal issues than the draft unfortunately and to a degree understandably. Things came to a head personally and it was realized by him and by others that he would not be a good war room general so changes were made.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 18, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Too Spread Rumors
but drinking was brought up in the original 500 post fan shot last night; i wonder aloud if that could be the “personal” issue? Keep in mind that i am not attempting to spread any basis rumors, i am just thinking aloud. This subject has been raised “quite” over the last few months on and off certain sights and within the organization.
Could his drinking have been the issue?
"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 18, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions
i agree
No idea why people called that “character assassination” and a bad rumor in the thread yesterday. If enough people mention it then maybe there’s some merit to it. If the guy is a boozehound then that’s a perfectly reasonable reason to can him, but also cover his butt – that’s the sort of thing the public doesn’t need to hear.
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 19, 2010 12:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For The Purpose Of Full Disclosure
I am the one that called it a bad rumor last night. The reason i called it that was because there was absolutely no information out regarding what caused the “rift” between the 49ers and Scotty M that may have caused this. Also i have been hearing some rumors in regards to his drinking over the last few months, but have not brought it up because there was no truth to it, but this new event today may have a direct link to his drinking.
If he cannot handle himself within the realm of respect and decency then of course he should be let go. Alcoholism is an ugly ugly character issue and one that a person as important he was to that organization cannot have.
"Iess us expect nothing but greatness from ourselves"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 19, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
A point should be made in that no one said there was a RIFT between 49ers FO and McC
It appears that it is very possible that McC did this… One reason is because both John York and Coach Sing were not here yesterday while this went down… so it may have been a complete surprise to management. The reasons may have been known but I do believe it was McC that wanted to step away for a while.. It could have been for drinking or any other things we don’t know about.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I don't think this was McC's choice
Source: GM McCloughan ‘blindsided’ by 49ers
And today’s Chronicle sports headline was Source: 49ers Pushing GM Out
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Possibly it’s the same source, of course, but that is what’s being reported.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Er that's hardly an unbiased piece of reporting there
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Silver has been around a bit..
He has harsh words about the situation, but that doesn’t make him less credible.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
What he doesn’t take into account is that McC might actually have a family problem that the FO genuinely doesn’t want to expose. Of course when I read his piece he instantly lost crediblity with me when he tried to compare the Niners FO to the Raiders FO in terms of functionality.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Against Mock Drafts with the Niners taking Joe Haden since 2009.
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 19, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The 49er FO..
while may be more stable than the Raider FO, has shown plenty of dysfunction going all the way back to Eddie and Carmen’s last days together. Where it once finally looked like a real one is now blown up. I mean come on, the Donahue era? Nolan era? Just what era is this now, Singletary? And if this team fails again going back to on the same patterns it has, who is to blame then? Singletary?
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
He might have been around for awhile
but that article was a piece of editoralizing, not reporting.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Yeah, that's the point..
Silver takes the same approach when it comes to the other team on the other side of the Bay too. He was a local writer in the Bay for a few years. He really believes what ScotM was doing there, and said it on KNBR almost every time he was on talking about the 49ers before this happened. Is he taking ScotM’s side in this? Sure, but he has a point in where the 49ers should at least put out something to address it.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
Rumph, Woods, Harris, Smith..
Has any team ever whiffed so badly four years in a row? I know…we’re still waiting on Smith, but I think it can be agreed that his immediate impact was pretty terrible.
Rumph was the worst though, at least Woods was so bad he didn’t play. Rumph wouldn’t get out of his “stance” until the receiver had already run by him, that guy just had the slowest first step ever.
I always thought Harris could have been salvaged if moved to guard. He was a very good run blocker and if we hid him on the inside he may have gotten less penalties….may have.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
The Lions.
I AM VERY MUCH ENJOYING THE HITTING OF BASEBALLS AND SCORING OF RUNS. -mikev
only an asshole quotes himself. -mikev
Survey says...........................BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
2001 Jeff Backus – Solid pick, has started every game for the Lions since being drafted.
2002 Joey Harrington
2003 Charles Rodgers
2004 Roy Williams – Pro Bowler, traded for 1st, 3rd and 6th.
2005 Mike Williams
2006 Ernie Sims – Very good player, under-rated because he plays for the Lions.
Close, but the Lions didn’t suck quite as bad for any four consecutive years, assuming you were going with the Millen era.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Mar 24, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Smith was put behind an OL that couldn't stop a 90 year old woman...
Had we had a good OL in front of him then maybe he would be the MYP candidate now.. instead of a guy we are all hoping will finally come around.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
A good O-Line would help any QB, but Smith’s play was terrible on plays where he got good blocking too. He really struggled with going through his progressions and didn’t look like an NFL QB taking snaps under center, terrible footwork. He’s improved a lot, last year I was pleasantly surprised that he looked average, but bad line or not, his play coming out of college was awful. One of Smith’s best attributes has actually been playing as well (or bad) when he’s taking hits as when he’s not taking hits. He’s a very tough QB. Even under ideal circumstances though Smith’s abilities didn’t translate to him being a #1 pick, it was a weak draft class and the 49ers felt cornered into taking a QB even though none of the available QBs that year would have even been 1st round picks in most drafts. If the 49ers hadn’t picked smith I think the highest he would have gone would have been 24 or 25 to the Packers or Washington. This year he’d be rated behind Clausen and Bradford for sure and maybe behind McCoy, but more than likely if a player from that system with his skill set came out he’d grade as a 2nd round pick.
So maybe the expectations were just unfair, maybe his O-line sucked, maybe he’ll eventually be good….That’s all make believe, regardless of what he does now he was a bust as a pick because of his production in his first contract.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Mar 24, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Under that logic Smith is the worst. 5 years later the team is still trotting him out there to see what it has.
I’m not going to argue that point.
I hope Alex Smith proves us wrong about him, but it’s just hope..not based on anything he’s shown so far.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Mar 24, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
First round
- - Best OT on board
- - OG Iupati
Take it to the bank if Sing is calling the shots.
But we don't want Sing making decisions, right?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I certainly don't!
They better give the “trigger” to Baalke and he had better be smart and draft properly. If Sing gets to call the shots, it’s Mike Nolan 2.0
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Based on what? Th fact that he wants a RT, wow, he has no freakin clue!
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
quick thought I had
what if Singletary wants to target RT at 13 and Taylor Mays at 17? I thought I read somewhere before that Sing really likes Mays. There would be debate about Mays being BPA at 17, and even the RT left at 13 being BPA.
Draft should be a bit more interesting, it’s hard to predict what the team will do already. FO chaos (well maybe not chaos) makes things that much tougher.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 19, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Based on...
the fact that he’s likely reach for that RT knowing that it’s a major hole. I don’t think it’s wise to reach for a RT and hope that it works out. Granted, anything should be better than Snyder, but there’s no guarantee it’s worth a #13 pick. Better players could be had at that spot or they could be smart and trade for Berry.
Let’s just say that Berry slides to #13 and Sing passes for a RT, would you agree with me then?
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t like the thought of a coach making personnel decisions if he’s not more experienced than the guys who were hired to do it. If it was Holmgren, I wouldn’t complain.
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think either would happen.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
How is he likely to reach knowing he has 2 first round picks?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
i dont
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 19, 2010 10:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well Sing didn't want Patrick Willis, so that's kind of nerve racking
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
thats has been bothering me for a while
How can a HOF linebacker not see at least really good potential in a future Elite LB?
Either he’s not good at evaluating talent, or oops.
I'm think'n
we dont want sing too be in control of the draft …..coach’s tend too draft for the moment and dont see the big picture of year’s too come . then again i dont want too see baby york in control either …….think’n this aint good either way
Kewl
Corrections on the post
A big correction on the post is that McCloughan was not with the 49ers until 2005. He had nothing to do with the drafts from 2002-2004. Those were disastrous with busts like Rumph, Woods and Harris. We can thank Terry Donohue for those years.
As for McCloughan, some hits (Willis, Davis, Gore) but plenty of misses. Besides Gore he really hasn’t found anyone from round 2, 3 or 4 that is a stud player.
And lastly, my opinion on the extended leave of absence……He’s out, but since he has knowledge of the 49ers draft plans they probably will pay him and have a “no compete” clause, meaning he can’t work with any other teams or discuss the draft until after the draft is complete. He’ll then be able to work or talk with other teams.
You left out a couple of other HITS
You can add VD and Crabs to list of HITS..
by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 19, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
McCloughan did not draft Willis
Nolan did. While I’m not going to pretend this is a fact, there is no evidence actually was head of these players bandwagons. Us fans do know, McC just pushed the idea of selecting Willis to Singletary. But how can that lead anyone to believe it was McC’s idea solely to draft Willis? Nolan was the one who was coached Willis at the senior bowl and he had the final say in drafts 05-07’.
The only two selections that have gone well for McC are Josh Morgan and Michael Crabtree(so far). There’s no reason to credit McC for anything else.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
Actually McC did draft Willis.. he was the one who wanted Willis..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I'm not sure
I remember all the articles saying Nolan was looking for his Ray Lewis of the 49ers 3-4 defense.
How? It wasn't his decision to make, it was input and pushing, but the trigger wasn't his.
Safest thing to say is if McC had the power he would have taken him.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
confirmed again that McC made the call on WIllis
However, Singletary also has admitted that talent evaluation isn’t his forte, and he had to be won over by McCloughan when the 49ers were considering drafting Patrick Willis in 2007.
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/03/20/2621058/analysis-singletary-others-could.html#mi_rss=49ers#ixzz0ijD0Ey7Y
"The call".. no
However, Singletary also has admitted that talent evaluation isn’t his forte, and he had to be won over by McCloughan when the 49ers were considering drafting Patrick Willis in 2007. Singletary certainly will have a stronger voice this April when it comes to the draft, but he likely will continue to lean heavily on the 49ers’ personnel officials.
Nolan(Trigger-man) and McCloughan both liked Willis as a prospect
Singletary was just convinced after a bit of reassurance from McCloughan
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
Statement from McCloughan on Sirius Radio
family needs to come first and I lost sight of that with my position at the 49ers."
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/15830/mccloughan-points-to-family-matters
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
This makes me relieved...
It sucks that he has to deal with this, but it’s good to know that he’s coming out publicly and stating that he is leaving of his own will. While it is contrary to what was said earlier, that he was not resigning, it looks as though he was not forced out. The closed door meeting was likely a panic move by the FO trying to keep him on until after the draft at least. Best of luck to McC and hopefully the FO doesn’t screw up now that he’s gone.
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
From kimkawakami's twitter
McCloughan on his 49ers departure: “It was a great run”:
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
I AM VERY SCARED
that mccloughan leaving = singletary has a bigger say in personnel = drafting tebow
please please please no
Never thought McC was a good GM to begin with
I’m glad McC is gone and anxious to see who replaces him.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
Despite your opinion,
fact is… he brought in some great talent during his occupancy. In 4 years, he helped bring this franchise back from having very little. Without McClougha, there may be no Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Pat Willis, and Michael Crabtree.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/27/1221047/gm-mccloughan-or-nolan
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker
????
Nolan helped… he was NOT the sole reason in bringing those guys in despite your rant in the link there
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I even read someone giving McC credit for signing for Aubrayo Franklin . . . uh what? Franklin and Tully Banta-Cain were Nolan ventures. Nolan swiped Franklin off his former employers roster.
Ahmed Brooks was another..
one of Nolan’s reclamation projects, and if IRCC, was the guy who brought in Walt Harris. Willie Middlebrooks on the other hand…
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
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