Singletary Minded Mock Draft??
by StevenC on Mar 19, 2010 5:39 AM PDT
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PrintI've been contemplating on who I think Singletary will pick up for the 49ers in the draft, being that McCloughan most likely won't be there to pull the strings.
I know there is already a Mock Draft FanPost, but I wanted to see what your guys' opinions would be if Singletary were to draft these certain players I'm going to show you after the jump. Now I'm only going to do the first 4 rounds because I feel that after that from then on it's all a toss up.
I'm just going to line the picks up...
13th: Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama or Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
17th: Kyle Wilson, CB/PR, Boise State
49th: Rodger Saffold, OT, Virginia
79th: Jermaine Cunningham, DE, Florida
110: Thomas Austin, G, Clemson
I know you guys are going to probably really criticize me for the players I picked. I'm just trying to keep it defensive minded while still adding to the O-line at parts. Well let me know your thoughts. =)
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Singletary has stated he wants a KR/PR and a change of pace back.
It really annoys me that people view Singletary, close minded. Because that is what this mock indicates to me. He wants defensive guys and maulers, WTF? I could see Singletary taking OL ith both first rounders but, how many people here have suggested it?
Now the same guys don’t want a Singletary influenced draft, some of you all need to give some of us and Singletary a break.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I agree with this
We really have no idea how he would draft. This is all speculation. I liked some of the things Scott did, but I’m sure Singletary has enough experience to make some good choices.
by mr. instigator on Mar 19, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Sing
and the rest of the coaching staff, has a better idea than anyone else in the organization on what needs to be addressed. And I agree, I don’t think that he is going to close the door on our offense just because he is an ex linebacker. I think he realizes that he is a coach now, and he’s not going to just draft all defense cause he once played as a part of the Monsters of the Midway.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Again, some people are forgetting the most glaring weakness on this team
Why do they continue to press for a player or position that can wait until the 2nd pick or later rounds. It just amazes me !! Last year, we had a chance at some top name OLM. Most of them are starters for their teams while we rank 32nd with the Offensive Line. This years OL Men aren’t as available like before. Gore may have ran over a thousand yards but he did it mostly by himself. If we don’t get help, winning the Division may not be as easy as some people think !!!
Vladimir Ducasse will probably be the 2nd round choice.
You wanna go defense? Try McClain and Brandon Graham in round 1. Or Graham and Earl Thomas.
Ducasse is the second coming of Snyder, TURNSTILE
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
lol
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Saffold is better than Ducasse
I’d rather have a tackle in the 1st though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Move this to the Official Mock Draft Thread.... COPY/ PASTE/ DELETE
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I honestly think it is time for two seperate threads, Drew.
We need to discuss whether or not we think this new FO, is gonna change how we draft or not, but isn’t different than a general Mock, he is positng a Singletarry-esque mock (at least in his opinion). I think two offseason threads would be good to have for a moment.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I disagree
I think that anything mock related needs to stay in one area. It’s not up to me anyway, it’s up to Fooch and I think the idea before was to keep things consolidated. If you make an exception, then things get out of order.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
What I meant was since the other thread is pretty much ready for new a new post is fine until transferred.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I'm going to be making a new one today
I am going to send you an email to see if you want to participate in a bit.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Hey Drew, are you going to address the FO shakeup in the new thread? If you’re not, this one might actually be worth leaving open with an editor’s note explaining specifically why it wasn’t moved. If you are going to address it, I can move the content over when you open up the new thread. If I’m going to move it, I think it deserves to be at least put in the new thread, so it gets the most attention. So I won’t take any action quite yet. I’ll wait to see what your response is.
Let me know.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 19, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I can address it... but I don't really know how or if it will even affect any decisions
I can put out something relative to that, but the all of the speculation could be part of the mock draft thread. If this is indeed a mock draft, despite extenuating circumstances, it’s still a mock draft. I think the point was to keep everything consolodated, at least that’s the way I understood it. If you make exceptions for one thing, then you have to start making exceptions for a lot of other things… and at that point it’s not worth the trouble to keep things organized. At least that’s the way I see it.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
If you make exceptions for one thing, then you have to start making exceptions for a lot of other things…
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I’ve made exceptions for threads before that had new angles on topics already being discussed. But I won’t make an exception for something just because it brings a new angle. In this specific case – whether or not the McC new changes anything with the draft – I think two things are clear: 1) people want to talk about how McC’s departure affects the team, and 2) people want to tie that to the draft.
So whether it actually changes anything or not, I don’t think it should be my place to completely remove discussions that people are interested in having. Which is why I was wonder how your new thread would handle it. If you make it a topic of discussion in your thread, I don’t see any reason not to move this over there. If you don’t, I think people will have enough to say that this thread will get its fair play.
My approach is that consolidating discussion as much as possible is a great goal, but doing so at the cost of restricting the conversation is running counter to our needs.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 19, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get how it restricts conversation but I’m not going to argue the point. Maybe it’s close enough to the draft to just forget about an official post? Then people can bring all the new angles they want? I just don’t want to go to the extra trouble of creating these if they aren’t going to be used in the way they were meant to be used in the first place. This probably wont be the last “new angle” that takes place before the draft, so I’ll just email Fooch and see if he wants to scrap the official post.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Well, if you make a post that says, “and McC getting the boot also happened… whatever… you can talk about… I don’t care”, I think it lends a much different environment for discussion than a thread that takes the point seriously at the very least as a topic of discussion, if not also as a real possibility.
When you say you can mention it in your post, to me that’s distinct from actually encouraging people to talk about it. You don’t seem individually interested in pursuing this angle on the draft, and simply mentioning it in passing may not be sufficient for the interests of actual discussion.
That’s all my thought process is, really. I just want people to feel like it’s a welcome topic of discussion, and not a throwaway line in a post that doesn’t care.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 19, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
So how many Scot McCloughan threads are we going to have? Maybe someone should make an official Scot M thread and anything goes in relation to that situation there. And in the meantime, I’ll just leave the mock draft thread alone. Then people can do non-departure of Scot M mocks and departure of Scot M mocks, and Singletary mocks… or Baalke mocks.. or even Praage mocks wherever they want. If people want to make mock draft threads with any twists they want from here until the draft than they can do so as a new Fan Post
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
A new mock draft thread with McC gone can just be a replacement of the norm.
Then you essentially have just one thread. It’s a continuance with a neccessary change.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I said I would mention it, but evidently that’s not enough. If it’s going to escalate in to something bigger, I’d rather just not go to the trouble of doing what was originally discussed in regards to having an official post. That’s all. It’s about a month away from the draft, so maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea to open it up now anyway.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
You’re really acting like one extra thread is just going to lead to massive chaos. It’s like the whole “If you give a mouse a cookie, he’ll ask for some milk.” But, you know, you don’t actually have to give him the milk. You don’t even have to give him another cookie. It really can just end at one. If people start making ridiculous draft threads after this, I’ll delete them. I just thought this was a relevant topic that, while you don’t seem to care, other people might be interested in talking about.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 19, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
If you’d really prefer, I can just step out of the way completely on this one and let Fooch mod it the way he wants to. That doesn’t bother me either.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 19, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Well if you keep this one here, and then someone comes up with something different but you delete that one, then it’s not really fair to that person… and that’s the point. BUt you’ve been around here longer than me, so I respect your opinion. But I just don’t want to go to the extra effort if we’re going to start making exceptions to what was originally discussed in regards to mock drafts.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Well, you’re the draft guy on this site, so ultimately my getting in the way is probably not fair to you. When you get the new thread up, I’ll close the comments in this one, but I won’t delete it. I’ll make a comment to let people know to head over to your thread. And then when Fooch sees all this, he can decide whether he wants to reopen the comments of just knock the thread out. Do you think that’s a reasonable compromise?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 19, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a fair compromise
But now that the can has been opened, I am thinking that we are close enough to the draft to maybe not have an official mock draft post. If they get out of control (meaning more than half the FanPosts are mocks) then we can bring it back. Maybe playing it by ear (sight), would be the best way to go.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
could we make this thread the offical mock draft thread?
by hellaninersfan on Mar 19, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not going to create a new one for a while, so feel free to post anything you want in here and in the official mock draft thread that is currently up
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
first round picks
These picks are impact skill position players (more or less). But also to bring fans back to the stadium. So why not get a guy that can fill 2 needs and open a spot so we can address other position for depth.
Let's make a good team, a Great Team!
by chriscream on Mar 19, 2010 9:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Thoughts
The Wilson and Saffold picks I would be ok with, and while McClain could be the BPA at that pick, I don’t really like it. Would rather grab a pass rusher with one of those if your going RT in the 2nd. The rest of the picks I also think are off.
Here’s the Singletary draft in my eyes:
1a – Trent Williams or best OT available
1b – Taylor Mays
2 – Mardy Gilyard
3 – John Jerry
4 – CB with PR exp. or ILB
5 – ILB or Pass rusher
6 – BPA
7 – BPA
Not really replying to you specifically, but a list of who you would feel is BPA at the time of the selection and who has been taken would help out trmendously to readers.
I also propose that 1-17 pick mocks would aid the conversation greatly. Then we know what your view is, when considering BPA after certain players are off the board.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
There's beginning to be too many chiefs in this tribe... but I digress...
Let us not forget Thomas Clayton., who would have been the backup RB if he hadn’t been injured. So RB may not be considered. Gore, Clayton, Coffee and Robinson seems to be enough for us to draft Spiller. If we were to consider a SIngletary draft I believe his focus will be fixing the O-line in the first round and finding role players for the defense in later rounds as well as their return specialist. So if Singletary is “pulling the trigger” this year I think he’ll focus on the running game and pass rush and find KR/PR, MLB, WR CB and S depth in later rounds.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
Clayton...
His time in SF may be done completely. He has never made the roster and he’s coming off an injury. Plus, he’s a FA right now. He may be exclusive rights, but if the Niners don’t offer him a contract, he’s a straight up FA.
Robinson, while a great special teamer, is not a running back for this team. He got less carries than Coffee last year and was less effective. He was never really a good backup to begin with.
I liked Clayton, but he was putting up those stats against scrubs. He wasn’t gonna get a roster spot last year even if he didn’t get hurt.
by 9thevolution on Mar 19, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I really think he may prove himself to the coaching staff
I am just against the idea of drafting Spiller and have him sit on the bench with a 6 year multi million dollar contract while Gore, Davis, Crabtree and the rest of the offense racks up yards.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
What gives you the idea that Spiller would sit on the bench if we drafted him?
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Whether he catches passes, gets reverses, or carries the ball, if we draft him, he’s going to get a significant amount of touches on offense on top of special teams.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Define significant, and I'm not being a (site decorum)
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
He won't start Drew, How would he not sit the bench. 4-7 plays on offense, hey say 10 plays, he still will not start or be used to close games out in the lead.
I like him, but I’m not gonna call it anything it isn’t.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Huh?
Where did I say start? He would be used in a way similar to how DeAngelo Williams and Jonathon Stewart are in Carolina… or the Cowboys RB’s for that matter.
Felix Jones was selected in the 1st Round when they already had Choice and Barber who were young and proven. Seems to have paid off for them.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Running back by commity. The Saints had 3 RB’s that they switched in and out too. This way you wear down defenses and keep your backs fresh through the course of the game. Gore’s not gonna have 200 yard games every game. Besides there is so much more that Spiller brings that using him on 5-7 rushing plays, 5-7 pass plays, and special teams is sort of equivelant to how much a starting RB would tounch the ball in a game
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Cowboys and Saints were 6th and 7th in team rushing while the 49ers ranked 25th in team rushing. Most of the top teams had at least 2 very good running backs.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Most of the top teams had very good offensive lines and quarterbacks that have a reputation of burning you when you slip, we don't have that guy.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
The running backs are good, dont giive me that “it was all Oline” garbage.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Who said all O-L, and how do you get that from what I typed.
I am aiming blame at the OL and QB.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I dont buy the QB thing one bit. Peyton Manning is arguable the best QB in the league with a very good Oline and they were dead last in team rushing
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Very good OL?
I don’t think there OL is very good in the run blocking department, that team is set up to pass pass pass. That wasn’t one of the teams discussed, besides he is statisticaly the least blitzed QB and their run was stopped with teams front 7’s pretty easily.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
That makes no sense
A line is either good or they’re not. They dont pick and chose what they’re going to be good at. They have horrible running backs. Its okay to admit youre wrong one time in your life, I promise it wont kill you.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
That makes a lot of sense, they ae good at pass pro and not at opening holes
That’s cut and dry, it wasn’t their choice, but that is who they are. You try admitting you are wrong once Drew, you’re ridiculous sometimes!!
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
They are meh, but they have no holes to run through either.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Thats cause they’re too slow to get to or through the holes before they close.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Addai, yes, Brown, I can't agree.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
He has more speed and I can't agree with that at all.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
It is extremely rare that he makes it past the second level. He gets caught all the time from behind. So agree or not, thats the truth. I wouldnt want him as my starting running back thats for sure.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
Obviously you are watching different games, he has no holes to run through from what I have seen.
And when there is a hole, he does fine.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Drew I have seen him play, he gets caught from behind when he doesn't have a hole, when he has one he does fine.
Their offensive line did not do well at run blocking this year, that is the truth.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
I hope you don't seriously think Addai is horrible
He might be overhyped, but he’s definitely not a bad player. The Colts just don’t have a very good offensive line. Heck, PFF has the Colts O-line rated virtually the exact same as the Niners!
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm seriously perplexed
As to how you warp me saying, “He’s not a bad player”, into thinking that he’s a special player.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It's ok
For some reason he can’t admit he’s wrong.
Even if it’s ridiculously obvious (as it is right now).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever
I havent exactly ever seen you admit it either, or lott, or brendan, or ronaldinho… nobody around here does…. So what difference does it make?
Nothing here is fact, just opinion.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
I will admit and I have Drew, I don't do it much, because I am strong in my opinion.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
You criticize us for sharing our opinions
And I will admit if I am wrong, but not when your only argument is that I should just believe your opinion.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wrong about Sam Bradford
I am most likely wrong about Bruce Campbell too.
I might also be wrong about Golden Tate.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
What??
That’s just ridiculous, Drew.
Pass blocking =/= Run Blocking.
Different skills and techniques.
Look at our own Chilo Rachal, he’s good at run blocking but not very good at pass blocking (although he’s improving).
You don’t pick and choose, you are what you are.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
BS?
So we have a QB to fear?
ROTFL, you say BS and really it is BS if you think we have that guy!
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
You are avoiding the point by shifting the premise of the argument to something else
The original point is that the top rushing teams in the NFL had more than one good RB.
There are lots of different variables and factors other than a QB and an Oline of course, so really you could have picked anyone of them and ran with it.
The Jets were #1 overall
Less than average QB most of the year
Very Good Line
Thomas Jones and Shon Greene as RB.
The Panthers were #3
Way less than average QB
Average Line
DeAngelo Williams and Jonothan Stewart at RB
The Dolphins were #4
Average QB
Average Line
Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown
The Ravens were #5
Average QB
Above average Line
Ray Rice and Willis McGahee
The Cowboys were #7
Slightly above average QB
Slightly above average Line
Marion Barber, Tashard Choice, and Felix Jones
The Browns were #8
Way below average QB
Slightly above average Line
Jerome Harrison and Jamal Lewis
And to be honest, you can talk all the stuff you want about Alex Smith, but what time he was in there, he played just fine. In fact, there’s only one QB on the list above that played better than him. So when I say BS on the QB and line stuff, it’s warranted. He finished 24th in the league in yards, and 19th in TD passes, not to mention the 5 1/2 games he did not play in.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Soome of those lines you are calling average are far better than that, what makes your assessment of a line the final word, you are full of yourself if you think you can assess any team by typing.
Who was #2? Obviously a team where 1 Rb had the bulk of the carries, and because it refutes your weak point you didn’t list them.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I didn’t list them because they didn’t pertain to my point. I listed the teams in the top 10 of that category that did. I showed those teams to show you that there are several different variable and not every situation is the same. So a blanket statement like, “They had good QB’s and Oline” doesn’t quite hold up. It has nothing to do with being “full of myself”.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
ok
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
The Dolphin's OL is a great unit.
They are built to run-block.
Joe Flacco is an above average QB.
The Browns actually serve as a counter argument.
Their RBs are not very good at all.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No problem with that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That isn't equivalent at all.
A starting back has 13-20 rushes per game, even in some two back committees.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
And Spiller would have 13-20 touches a game in different ways.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I doubt that, now that we are talking about him, I doubt we draft him, we spent a 3rd on a Rb last year, is he the designated rosterless?
Robinson at RB too? So we will carry 4 RB’s and Spiller will get 13-20 touches per game? Let’s be realistic here.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
You actually counting Robinson is beyond hilarious. LOL!
And you’re the one telling me to be realistic? Whoa!! Thats all I have to say to that.
Gore is the only running back on that roster right now that deserve to be.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I think Robinson should not be on the team, fact is that he is and he won't be on the practice squad.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
He's not practice squad eligible
And he would be signed immediately if he were to be cut.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I know he isn't practice squad elgible because he played in too many games last year.
That’s why i said he won’t be on the practice squad. If we draft SPiller, we HAVE to cut Robinson.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
I don't see why
Marcus Hudson was kept on the roster last year as a ST player only.
Arnaz Battle too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
What gives you the idea that Spiller would sit on the bench if we drafted him?
He would sit the bench, it will not be anything like the Panthers run game.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Good thing you’re psycic and know that. Now I can give up on wanting Spiller
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Psychic?
Great argument Drew, kudos, to THIS!!
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Well isn't that what youre doing with the above statement?
Predicting the future?
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
That is what you do, predict we ignore Coffee, because you are not sold on him, who are you?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I think it should be pretty obvious really
They won’t take Gore off the field half of the plays, I don’t know why there is even a discussion about that. He will play at least 75% of the snaps if he is healthy, I’d bet on that.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s common sense to know that if we selected him in the 1st Round, that the coaches are going to find ways to get him the ball
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
More than your 4 touches a game prediction, that’s for sure.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
You only seen the 4?
Typical
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
how many do you really think he will get Drew?
He will not get even touches with Gore as a rookie in my opinion. Our coaching staff threw Crabtree in at WR, because we sucked at the position, but they aren’t gonna take a lot of carries from Gore for Spiller.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Okay, well let’s just assume you’re right for a moment… let’s say he averages 7 touches a game which is your max there. And then let’s use Joshua Cribbs return stats to help us gauge how many times he could touck the ball a game. Between punts and returns, Cribbs had about an average of 7 per game. This doesnt even count the potential times he may catch the ball. So with the 7 carries you allotted and the 7 returns per game, that’s close to the amount of touches a “feature running back” is going to get. So to assume that he would be on the “bench” is just not being truthful. You see, Gore doesn’t have to be cut out any. Maybe a few less plays than he is used to, but thats a good thing. The more energy he has, the more effective.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Not the amount of touches as a feature back, if some of those touches are KR/PR. Those are different touches.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Okay… well it’s apparent that you’re only going to see what you want to see and say what you want to say throwing caution to the wind by saying he’s gooing to be on the “bench”. It’s just not realistic. To me, "bench means no playing time whatsoever. He’ll contribute and he’ll contribute significantly if we draft him.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Your definition of bench is meh!
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Nate Davis sits on the bench
Tony Wragge sits on the bench
that is basically the meaning of “bench”, is it not?
I don’t consider 15 touches a game “bench”.
Would you consider Joshua Cribbs as sitting on the bench? Cause for a bench player, he’s basically the Browns best player.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
I don't consider him a starter.
But a specialist.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Delanie Walker also sits on the bench
Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks, and Tarrell Brown too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Not what I would call bench but whatever
Youre obviously here just to jump on the bandwagon.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
It's the same bench?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
7 (kick?) returns?
We’re going to let opposing teams score that much on us?
Use Josh Morgans’ return numbers.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not every kick is due to a score there genius
There are kickoffs AND punts, or do you not realize that? People kick off after scoring field goals too, just thought I’d point that out.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
I don't think he would be on punt and KO return.
I think Sing wants a guy for PR and a different one for KO. i wouldn’t put Spiller back there.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
He hasn't said that, so that's of course just speculation
Josh Cribbs does both, so I don’t see why not if he was a specialty player for a year or two before Gore fizzles.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
He has said he wants more than one return man.
If we do take Spiller, not using him on offense would be stupid. I wouldn’t risk the injury on punt return to someone that would be key on offense. It’s just my thoughts and I know it is specualtion, leave it to you to feel you have to point that out.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
That actually makes a lot of sense
Keeps guys fresh.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d say that 5 or so returns per game is about right.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine they will, but I wouldn't assume as many attempts as Gore.
Despite speed he still would have a learning curve.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Learning curve doesn't always mean not productive
There have been rookie running backs with a lot of success
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
How many rookie RB's have been drafted on a team with two RB's and one of them a perenniel All-Pro and arguably the best Rb in franchise HISTORY?
It’s not like Coffee is our starter, plus do you think they will put aside Coffee’s development? i don’t.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Uh… Steven Jackson when Marshall Faulk was there? More recently Felix Jones with Barber and Choice in place… uh, who else? Ray Rice with McGahee in place…I’m sure there’s more; if you’d like an extensive list it’ll take some time.
Look lott, it’s obvious you have your feelings about it, but to sit there and try and act like it’s never happened and that he would be on the “bench” and yatta, yatta, yatta just is not being real about it. Say what you will but you’re denying some truth’s here to try and make whatever point you’re trying to make.
"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.
Faulk was on the decline, Mcgahee was not a perenniel all por and still isn't.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
That's truth
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Who doesn't?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
McGahee out rushed Gore in 2005 and 2007 and that was with splitting time with another back.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
In the last 5 years he hit the 1000 yd mark 2 times.
Not a perenniel all-pro to me.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
Gore out-performed McGahee in Miami
Even though Gore was injured all the time.
2005 doesn’t count because Gore lost time to some impostor.
Gore has dominated every other year though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Faulk was on his last legs
He was basically done by the time S-Jax was drafted.
And how useful is Felix Jones to the Cowboys really? I mean obivously he is a good player but they have two other good backs they picked in the mid rounds, it’s a bit of a waste to use a high pick on a 3rd good back. If they lost Jones right now, it would hardly make a difference to their team.
McGahee is nowhere near, and never has been near, as good as Gore. Also, Rice was a late second round pick. If the Ravens had used a pretty high 1st round pick on a RB that would have been much more questionable.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
You are really good at being annoying
When someone states something really obvious, they don’t always have to back it up with facts. I can say the Rams sucked this year without throwing out a bunch of statistics and feel pretty confident in my opinion.
But just for fun, Marshall Faulk averaged at least 5.3 YPC from ‘99 to ’01 and had at least 1300 rushing yards in all 3 seasons. The last 2 years of that span he had a combined 47 TD’s. Yeah, 47 fricken touchdowns in two years. In the next two years he only had 21 total TD’s and his YPC fell to 4.5 and then to an awful 3.9.
He had also dropped from a high of 324 carries a few years before all the way down to the 210 carry range. mostly because he had missed 7 games in the previous 2 seasons.
The Rams, seeing that he was done, took Steven Jackson in the 1st round. In Jackson’s rookie year he split carries with Faulk, and easily outperformed him. Faulk put up 4.0 YPC and S-Jax had 5.0 YPC, so he was a yard per carry better on average with the same line. Faulk only played one more season in which he only got 65 carries despite playing in all 16 games because he was no longer good enough to even get the ball much on offense.
Does this situation sound like the Niners’ situation to you? I don’t really think so, I don’t think Gore will decline for a couple more years. Do those shiny facts give a clear picture that Faulk was done? Yes, although I think our debates our long-winded enough as it is without getting into pointless frivolties over obvious statements. So we’re still waiting for all of these great comparisons of franchises that use an extremely high pick to get a backup to an All-Pro runningback in his prime, and also have that pick actually help the franchise a little bit. So far, you’ve produced zero such instances, but then I don’t want to let the facts get in the way of your argument.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions
S Jack is a totally different type of RB.
His frame can handle a lot more than Spiller’s.
Spiller wouldn’t really be a replacement, but a compliment.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
So why did Drew bring him up?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not obcious though. Its basically your perception, so… nothing is obvious.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
It is obvious
It is a fact.
Marshall Faulk retired 2 years after Jackson was drafted.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What does that have to do with anything?
Or the original point even? You get side tracked easily
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
You said all of my statements were opinions
Saying Marshall Faulk was done when the Rams picked S-Jax is not something I should be criticized for not backing up with a bunch of facts, it should be obvious.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Faulk would have had another 1000 yard season had they not drafted Jackson
And after that he started accumilating injuries, that is why his production fell off not because he was done.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
You ignore obvious statements
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
fact fact fact
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Even when the stats are slapping you in the face, you can't admit to being wrong.
Ok, that’s enough for me then.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
That was done above with Faulk's numbers and it didn't work.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
Really?
Jackson was drafted in 2004, Faulk retired in 2006.
You think Gore is going to retire in 2 years?
The Cowboys effectively ran the ball without Jones in 2008.
McGahee 7 NFL seasons, 5,787 yds, 4.0 avg
Gore 5 NFL seasons, 5,561, 4.8 avg.
Gore is better than McGahee. FACT.
All three statements are facts.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You think Gore is going to retire in 2 years?
I can garauntee Gore is not going to be the same player in two years. Why the hell do you think the Chargers parted ways with LT? Players get old, it happens, its part of the game. What part of that is difficult to understand???
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
We'll see in two years then.
Spiller will be 26-ish by then too.
So by your logic, he’ll only have 2 more years after that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Who the hell said McGahee was better than Gore? Sure wasnt me.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
I called Gore a perenniel all pro and you said mcgahee was too.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
lott:
How many rookie RB’s have been drafted on a team with two RB’s and one of them a perenniel All-Pro and arguably the best Rb in franchise HISTORY?
Drew:
Ray Rice with McGahee in place…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Steven Jackson/Faulk:
Faulk was on the decline and the Rams only spent the 24th overall selection on him.
Felix Jones/Barber/Chioce: Barber was never a featured RB, he was the “closer” and he was great at it. Jones was drafted to be the No.1 so Barber could stay in his “closer” role (Choice was unproven at the time…and sort of still is).
Rice/McGahee: Rice was a 2nd round pick and McGahee was nothing special.
In those three situations, RBs were drafted to “replace” the incumbents, not to complement them.
I don’t believe that C.J. Spiller is going to replace Frank Gore any time soon.
Compliment? Yes.
But I don’t feel so strongly about drafting a complementary player with the 13th overall pick.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
In the last three years
Gore has BARELY gone over the 1000 yard mark. And that is considering he is carrying a bulk of the load, about 95% of it. He’s going to be 27 in May, in one or two years, there’s not gonna be gas in the tank enough to carry the load 95% of the time.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
Completely disagree
He barely went over 1000 yards because of his lack of carries, not due to lack of gas in the tank.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Part of the low carries is attributed to nagging injuries. He can’t stay healthy for a full season.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
And us having to pass the ball too much.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
And having another back in will help with that too
If we get Spiller 9or someone else) his effectiveness will increase and he’ll have a longer shelf life
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
And the fact that in 2008 Mike Martz was the OC
Not too many carries for Gore then.
Jimmy Raye went Air-Raye on us for like 5 games and Gore barely saw any touches.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Becaus our team has been pass happy for two years.
If I were GM, I'd be looking at making the defense a top 5 defense.
Which is why I don’t think he’ll be selected by the 49ers.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
We disagree.
:)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 23, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Spiller start the 2-3 games we all know that Gore will be injured for. Coffee doesn’t inspire much confidence for me.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Against Mock Drafts with the Niners taking Joe Haden since 2009.
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 20, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to see him carry the load for a game and makeit through.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
I wonder what idiot decided to resign him and take up a RB position on the roster, when he is incapable of assisting the team at that position.
At least he isn’t very productive at it.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
THIS DRAFT WOULD BE ALMOST A COMPLETE DISASTER!!
I can buy Gilyard in the THIRD round (he’s not worth a second round pick), but otherwise a complete bust!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 19, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
How is Gilyard not worth a second round pick. He could easily be the second best WR on the team and he would help on kr/pr and he can go the distance from anywhere on the field and can get open as well.
Please help me out on your thought process on this one 1950, what makes you think he would be a complete bust?
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
Y.A TITTLE WAS OUR FUTURE!
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
1b. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
2. Best CB available
3. Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green
by MichaelClutchtree on Mar 19, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That provides nothing to this thread, thanks.
If I were GM, Ninersnation would call me the draft hustler.
Step 1 - Offer contract to Bushrod and give up my 49th pick.(RT)
Step 2 - move up to #5 Take Berry for BOTH first rounds and acquire a 2nd and 4th
Step 3 - 2nd round - M gilyard, 3rd - J Jerry, 4th AJ Jefferson, 4th Rafael Priest CB TCU, 5th Deji Karim, 6th - Alex Daniels DE Cincy, 7th Al Woods LSU
He was our past
Pretty good player though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 21, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Just an aside
This thread is just slightly misnomered in my opinion. Really it’s a ‘Draft without McC at the helm" post. Or it should be. I mean can we be assured in any way that Baalke’s opinions/mind set would be exactly the same as McC’s? I would say with assurety not. I would also say that if we think that Sing would have no eye towards the offense then that would be rather blind-minded as well. Yes he comes from a defensive background but he realizes and has had ingrained in him from pee-wee football that it is is team sport and both (really all) sides affect the other. He, I feel, realizes that Defense might win championships but a team and a heck of a lot of luck gets you to the big dance.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 20, 2010 8:09 AM PDT reply actions
If Sing does end up with a lot of influence over the draft board
I’m not sure who the specific players he’d like would be, but I’d guess he wants to use one of the 1sts on an OT and either a 1st or a 2nd on a defensive back. Of course, those are pretty common sense but I see him actually taking the best available tackle. Also, it’s not exactly a need but I’d guess Sing would like Brandon Graham a lot as a player as well.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 12:50 AM PDT reply actions
I seriously doubt he likes every single 1st round prospect at tackle
That’s pretty naive to assume that
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
I made no such assumption
Did you read my comment?
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
And nowhere did I say that I think he likes every tackle. I am assuming that one of the top 3 tackles is available. But yes, if they are all gone then I don’t think he will reach just to take one.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
If Singletary has the final say on who the 49ers draft, which i believe he should, then i can easily see the 49ers going with two defensive players in the 1st.
Some combination of Joe Haden, Earl Thomas, Derek Morgan, Eric Berry, Rolondo Mcclain, Taylor Mays, Brandon Graham and Sergio Kindle
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 21, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I Really Really Really
like the Kyle Wilson pick, i would even suggest that he should be drafted ahead of Joe Haden. That said, as of right now picking him at 17 appears to be a reach. The 49ers should think about trading down from 17 to later in the 1st and pick up an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder, depending on where they trade down to.
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 21, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
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