Cutting to the chase: Terrell Owens
I'm sure plenty of you are waking up wondering why there's a big fat picture of Terrell Owens on your screen here at Niners Nation. Well, given that we have this wonderful polling technology, I thought it'd be interesting to see how people feel about the idea of acquiring specific individuals. So, I'm thinking we might roll something like this out a couple times this week before we get to free agency just to mix it up a little bit.
Terrell Owens left the San Francisco 49ers on a fairly low note; an incredibly talented receiver who simply could not get his head on straight. As long as this site has been around, we've had some discussion or another about TO, whether it be in relation to his position in our all-time team voting, or as it relates to free agency. There remain a whole lot of people who want nothing to do with him ever again, and that's perfectly understandable. At the same time, there are folks who would have no problem bringing him back into the fold.
Over the weekend, the Buffalo Bills announced that they would not be bringing Owens back next season. My question now is whether you think the 49ers should pursue Owens. I'm fairly certain they won't, but this isn't a prediction. This is simply whether you'd like to see the team make a run at Owens. Let's get it down in black and white with a vote.
In my mind, it's an easy no-vote when you factor in all the diva behavior. It seemed a bit less of an issue this past season, but I wonder how much had to do with the fact that he was in Buffalo (as opposed to big tv markets like Dallas, Philly and SF)? Even if I don't consider the "antics" of TO, the on-field production leaves something to be desired at this point in his career. He's 36 years old and coming off the worst 16-game performance since his rookie year. Of course, that still would have left him #2 among 49ers receivers (Vernon Davis led in everything).
So if TO has matured enough to not be a major problem, is he worth potentially stunting the growth of Josh Morgan, or maybe Jason Hill and Brandon Jones among others? Not to mention how it would affect Michael Crabtree. I just think there are too many question marks and it's not worth the roll of the dice. What do you think?
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He's not worth it
He proved he can behaive for one season, which is impressive considering he had 2 head coaches, 2 offensive cordinators, and 3 different QB’s, but he’s on the downside of his career. The 49ers have 3 good young receivers that need playing time and TO would get in the way. He might improve their receiving core in the short term, but not in the long term. Not to metion you’re taking the chance he’d revert to his former self.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
A past his prime, head case receiver with a tendency to drop passes? No thanks. Plus I don’t him ANYWHERE near Crabtree. The thought of the type of influence he would be on Crabtree gives me the shivers. He might have been well behaved last year, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it usually ain’t a chicken.
Very scary
The thought of putting him with a couple of guys that we’re basically still developing?? Almost terrifying to think about it. He may not do it this time around, but if anyone introduced the possibility of him trying to steal Crabs’ or even Morgan’s thunder in the middle of next season, some heads would definitely roll.
No Way
That ship has sailed here. He had good years for us that I don’t in any way dismiss, but he’s in our past. He’d basically be a waste of money for a much worse (more in morale than talent) version of Isaac Bruce.
Acquiring Terrell Owens
Not just no……but hell no!!
I want Winners
I want people who want to win.
Can’t coach with him.
Can’t win with him.
Can’t do it.
The only year you could make an argument that his talent was worth the level of Douchebaggery he brought to a team when he went to the SB with the Eagles and he was still gone the next year.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
He’s actually won basically everywhere he’s been other than Buffalo, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Buffalo is the only team he went to that wasn’t already a SB contender when he arrived.
I’m going to paraphrase T.O.’s autobiography, see if you catch a trend:
San Francisco didn’t work out because Jeff Garcia is gay. Philadelphia didn’t work out because Donovan McNabb is lazy. Dallas didn’t work out because Tony Romo was holding secret meetings with Jason Garrett and Jason Witten so they could keep the ball out of his hands….
My guess is that T.O. will say the right things about Buffalo until he signs with another team, than he’ll let us know what was wrong with Trent Edwards.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
I’m not saying that he’s not a problem historically. I’m just saying that saying he’s not a winner is abjectly contrary to the facts of the games that have been won that he was a part of.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Semantics, to me being a winner in a team sport has to do with one’s contribution towards their team winning not just whether one was part of a winning team.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
And to me that’s a completely amorphous and unsatisfying definition. I agree that “being on a team that wins” is at least as unsatisfying, but at least it doesn’t come with the extra baggage of being an unshaped concept.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t understand how defining “being a winner” as having to do with contribution towards winning is unclear (amorphous). What part of that definition confuses you?
As far as unsatisfying goes, that’s subjective and I don’t care if you like my definition as long as it’s not amorphous.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
He's already saying the right things about the situation
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Uhhmmmm, NO!
There is no way I would want Terrell “Dinosaur Arms” Owens back. The guy only plays when he wants to and under his condition, not to mention the cancer he is in EVERY locker room he has been affiliated with. We have a good thing going with our young receivers, let’s give them time to grow not corrupt them with the disease of a T.O. or any aging diva for that matter
Whenever I hear or read his name, I have to think of the 'star incident' at the Cowboys' old stadium.
It was immature and disrespectful… And I totally loved it. So I won’t hold his questionable personality against him, since it was that personality that gave me one of the greatest TV sports moments of all time. Plus, if there ever was a ‘right’ season to sign a potential troublemaker, it’s 2010. If he blows up, just release him – without a cap, there’s no cap ramifications.
I still voted no, because we’ve got a group of young receivers that I feel good about, plus, as illini49er put it:
I don’t him ANYWHERE near Crabtree.
Ahh the memories!!!
that was one of my absolute all time favorite Niner moments in history!! I still feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I think of that move! I still voted a big hell to the no however!! I personally think that TO has made an effort to tone down his antics since he signed with Dallas. Of course he still had a few incidents where he went too far but I think they were blown up by the media because of his past. I still wouldn’t want to take a chance on him though, especially with the young guys we are trying to develop. Plus as was pointed out he’s 36 (which is only a few years older than I am) and his numbers this year were down. True Buffalo doesn’t have the most prolific passing attack but in my mind he’s basically washed up. The upside he brought to a team before this year may have made me consider bringing him to my team if I were a GM, but now that it appears he’s on a down swing his antics, or the possiblity of them showing up, are more of an issue. I have to say though that I think there are certain coaches he doesn’t get away with that crap around, Mike Singletary just happens to be one of them. Don’t think the Niners have any use for him though
Time to catch some flak but I’m on the T.O. bandwagon. If the numbers make sense (meaning we aren’t jeopardizing signing our young talent in the long run), we should definitely make a run at T.O. for his services. Our rec leaders go VD, Morgan, Gore, Crabtree, Bruce, Walker. Morgan and Hill didn’t really capitalize on the opportunity when Crabtree wasn’t signed, and only when we moved to the spread did Morgan ‘progress’. Jones hasn’t been useful at all for the contract he was paid. Battle and Spurlock will both have their job replaced come the Draft.
Morgan: 52 rec, 527 yds, 15 gp
Owens: 55 rec, 829 yds, 15 gp
Sure, the 2009 season was statistically his worse since his rookie season, but you can’t put that all on him. He’s still putting up similar numbers to Morgan vs better corners/defenses in a non-spread offense.
I’d like to believe that every one of his destinations the team has improved. Philly to the Super Bowl, Dallas’ offensive explosion (and development of Hurd/Austin), and producing something from Buffalo’s inept offense. I think Crabtree and Morgan (possibly Hill) could benefit from having Owens as a teammate/mentor. Our offense will also benefit from having 2 big WRs when we go into the Pro/2TE formations, offering a better balance in play choices than what we had last season.
Get your popcorn ready!
I think Crabtree and Morgan (possibly Hill) could benefit from having Owens as a teammate/mentor.
Do you REALLY think that a guy whose entire career has been an icon for self-centeredness would even give a [site decorum] about being a mentor?
By "showed in Dallas" do you mean Roy Williams?
Because Roy has been crying about Miles Austin becoming their number 1 wideout, and hasn’t lived up to expectations. Sounds like good mentoring by T.O.! They only played with each other for half a season as well!
Austin and Owens
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Dallas is an example though
Also how he acted in Dallas is another reason why the team shouldn’t pick him up. He complained like crazy that Jason Witten was getting all the play calls and getting more receptions. What happens when Davis and Crabtree get more receptions?
Stuck in Dallas
Niner fan in Dallas purgatory so I’ve heard it all ever since Owens showed up down here. You’ve got to be kidding meTypecast. This clown would be a disaster of epic proportions. This team is finally turning it around and you want this idiot back on the team? Have you suffered brain damage from all the smoke out there in SF?
I want winners and I want competition that can get the most out of the players we have. Last I checked, the 49ers were 8-8 and 3-7 outside the division. The team needs to improve, both through progression and the draft/free agency. I happen to believe that Owens is an improvement. I also believe that other options in free agency are an improvement, but this thread is asking would I sign T.O. and I believe I would.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Spurlock
In all due respect, where have you been? He’s not on the team anymore. He became a Buc late last season and even returned a punt for a TD for them. Sorry to bring it up again guys!
I don't think Singletary would let him be a diva
But like others have said, I too don’t want him anywhere near our young receivers (or VD for that matter). In fact, I’m hoping he doesn’t sign with any of the teams we play this year either because even that is too close to our young guys for me.
Truthfully
If we went after a WR….
I would go after Boldin first (who is ava via trade)
And then go a 1/3 with Marshall/Austin/Jackson
Sine I don’t see us doing any of that…I don’t see us getting a WR this year especially not one of Owens wonderful personality.
Owens will enter the HOF as a 49er though.
Are you kidding me?
How is it possible that 27% of people are voting that the niners should make a run at this guy? This clearly means one of two things. Either 27% of the people that check this post are fans of other NFC West teams or 27% of niner fans are complete idiots. The last thing a young team needs is a guy like him that leaves teams in pieces in his wake. Do 27% of you have such long term memory damage that you can’t even remember what he did in Dallas? Let alone Philly or San Fran. Even if you’re not concerned about his effect on the younger receivers on the team, which you should be, ask yourself this, if he ended up on a rival team, say Seattle, what you think? I would laugh because it would instantly confirm their season was going nowhere.
I remember Dallas...
I remember Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton with Owens talking to Garrett. I remember Witten leaking the story to Ed Werder on ESPN (then getting blasted by his teammates the next day). I remember Jerry Jones cutting Owens but praising his contributions for the 3 seasons he played for Dallas. I also remember watching Buffalo games this past season where the broadcast would have 1 camera follow him at all times and the media provoking him to lash out. And if he ended up on a NFC roster besides the niners, I wouldn’t underestimate him. He’s still capable of ripping off 200 yards on our DBs (See Nov 29, 2008, 7 rec 208 yards)
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
By The Way
Calling someone an idiot because they don’t agree with you is an absolutely ignorant comment. You showed your lack of intelligence by making that comment. It’s like is see it this way and well if you don’t than your an idiot. PRETTY LAME
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 2, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
me personally
i wouldn’t either way i can see the pros and the cos getting him even though i’m seeing a little 2 much ‘’ hating on here ’’ first i don’t think terrell owen was that bad out here i wasn’t a fan of garcia in the first place no matter what little sucsess he had here ,wasnt a fan of greg knapp either ,yea he does run his mouth 2 much and can get on youre nerves but he works hard and he blocks hard, ut on the other hand we got really youmg wide recievers and he can effect the negativly so but he is a vetry good blocking wide out so im 50/50
Seattle Fan
The only way anyone with any sense could even be 50/50 on this clown at this point in his career is if you’re a Seahawk fan andyou think we should sink our own ship. I can’t argue with your blocking comment but the negatives of having him around Davis, Crabtree, Morgan and Hill far outweigh that relatively minor plus.
I Might Be Run Out Of NN For This Comment
but i want Terrell Owens back, he is a winner, plain and simple. Nobody could have won with that Bills team last year. He had over 800 yards receiving on a team that featured QB’s like Brian Brohm and Ryan Fitzpatrick. He has been on winning teams for pretty much his entire career, and believe it or not has matured a great deal over the last three seasons.
I understand that he left on horrible terms, pretty much the worse terms possible. But don’t you want winners? don’t you want to win? He understands that he will come in here as pretty much the 3rd receiving option and that Mike Singletary is our head coach and won’t put up with any BS. The 49ers would have to have an extensive one on one conversation with him to make this all clear. But i do think that in terms of winning in 2010, Terrell Owens would help us all a great deal.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 2, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions
In that context winning is not a statistic its an attitude and a willingness to put the team before yourself. There is no way TO can be construed to fit that model.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 2, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Winner?
For all the people calling him a winner, he hasn’t won it when it counted the most. Zero rings on him.
He came back from a broken leg on the Eagles Super Bowl trip. Can't put that one on him
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Part of me loves TO and all his awesome talent
The other half of me thinks he’s a big sissy.
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by More False Hope on Mar 2, 2010 10:58 AM PST reply actions
Think about the size this would give San Francisco's WRs
Imagine Vernon Davis, Terrell Owens and Michael Crabtree as the team’s top 3 receivers. Both Davis and Owens are big and fast; like it or not, Owens may be approaching the veteran wall but hasn’t hit it yet. The problem, cap or no cap, is Owens worth the money he’ll command? Will he take a “bargain” to come back to where his career began to prove what he has left?
Owens would have to show leadership skills and completely abandon the T.O. shenanigans. Crabtree is a young player with talent, and I’d rather he not adopt a behavioural deficiency. Owens in Buffalo kept it relatively quiet, shocking considering the Bills had ZERO QBs. Maybe Owens has a bit of bruised ego right now, so maybe he will consider coming back cheap (compared to market value I suppose). No one can lose in that situation. The 49ers would get a good complement WR, and Owens can put a stamp on his career that redefines his character.
The 49ers would not be doing Alex Smith a disservice by signing Owens. The size of that receiving corps would be impressive (not necessarily in height, but in overall Fysical). Especially considering how well Delanie Walker played at times last season, and that Josh Morgan is only entering his third year. Are the 49ers ready to use an offense similar to last year’s shotgun sets? If so, adding Owens would make sense. One reason the team added Brandon Jones last year was because he can block. Owens can certainly block, and I’d take Owens over Jones 100 times out of 10.
Even in a rush heavy offense, I think having Owens is advantageous because of his size and strength. Anything that makes an offense dynamic is worth considering if the price is right. Buffalo’s offense was pretty brutal in ‘09, and while San Francisco’s offense wasn’t topping the charts, the team at least showed growth. Owens is getting old, but he’s still physically gifted. I’m curious what type of contract the team would offer him, and what he’d accept.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 2, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions
The 49ers would not be doing Alex Smith a disservice by signing Owens???
Are you sure? Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, and Tony Romo weren’t good enough for him. How on earth is he going to be happy and keep his mouth shut with Alex Smith as his QB? I believe it would be a disservice to Smith. He is still learning and trying to live up to his own potential and does not need the distraction that TO would inevitably bring.
what did Owens say in Buffalo?
Owens had an extremely laughable QB situation in Buffalo, but he didn’t really get into trouble or throw anyone under a bus.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 2, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
There was no one to throw under the bus in Buffalo
They had no real starting QB so who is he going to throw under the bus? The guy they just benched or the guy they were about to bench?
Besides, one year of good behavior doesn’t cut it for me. Especially because it was in a one year deal. He had to be on his best behavior to have a chance at re-signing with Buffalo or anyone else.
plus if it did happen and blow up
everyone would say let’s give Alex ANOTHER year because he had to deal with the whole TO thing.
No
I really don’t think McC or Sing love Alex THAT much. If they let him go it would be because he would have had yet another mediocre to subpar season, he’s at the end of his contract, and whether RFA or UFA, they wouldn’t plan to offer him an extension.
if
its a 1 year deal worth 1.5 million, then no problem. anything bigger and its not worth it. specially not anything more than 1 year
It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...
Uncapped year
Who the fuck cares how much money TO gets for 1 year.
N-O- , NOOOOO, and NO!
Theres a reason playoff caliber teams made a wide berth from Dennis Rodman when he was in his later years—-
There’s a reason no playoff caliber teams avoided TO after Dallas cut him..just think about that..
Now if he was soooo good why did these playoff bound teams not even take a chance on him?
Over 200 votes for T.O.:
They must be Cards fans, or Seahawks fans, or Rams fans, or anyone but niner fans.
uh...no.
But he does have a nice thumb. Anyway, he is not worth it.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
I'd take him
not for $6 million a year but if he wanted to come here for $1 million or $1.5 a year I’d sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
No amount of money
Is worth someone who brings even the possibility of causing the kind of disruption TO is capable of. If we were reasonably certain this guy would make our chances of making the playoffs next year a reality, then he should be considered. But we don’t know that, especially as he played for and was leading receiver for one season with a team that ended up with a worse record than we did.
T.O hasn't made a peep in Buffalo
and he certainly had cause. The problems in the Dallas locker room were certainly not his fault and he was very supportive of his QB there.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Are you [site decorum] crazy?
Placebos, of course, are things you have to swallow even though they contain nothing that actually helps you. It's like American health insurance in a pill. -BiPM
The one thing I'll say about T.O.
Whether you like him or not, he drive the conversation rates way up.
I personally say we need to get a guy like Arrelious Benn or Demaryius Thomas and use Crabtree, Morgan, and either one of those guys.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Looks like the percentages have gone down some
I did a fanpost on this back in December and at that time it was 60% in favor of bringing him back. Now it’s only 30%.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/13/1198391/terrell-owens-a-niner-again
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
damn near
spot on sample size too. weird.
by Andrew Davidson on Mar 2, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
That makes absolutely no sense. So should we take that as 50/50? Yours was done while the season was still going, this one post-season. Maybe now that the draft is getting closer people are having a change of heart in knowing that we could possibly do better?
I don’t know but that is as A. Davidson says “weird”
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I know. Crazy strange that it's almost flipped
Maybe it has something to do with Morgan being more of a factor this year and people seeing that there are WRs in the draft we can get but flipping 180 degrees like that is strange.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I'll never forget the Dallas Star TD celebration
No matter how big of a fool TO is that was hilarious and because of my extreme dislike for the Cowboys I will always find that funny. As a result that moment will always have a special place in my heart.
I say bring T.O. back...
…if it turns out the 49ers can’t draft a reliable big-play receiver like Dez Bryant. To be fair to Terrell Owens, I am willing to overlook past transgressions or obvious lapses of character due to clear over-excitement and emotional commitment to the game of football.
I find that people who are against the idea of Terrell Owens coming back or possibly not being a locker room burden are being unfair to him. This is because it seems many of those people who think ill of him seem to be under this false impression of him, which should only be credible provided they actually played football on the same team as him or if they knew him personally.
I have personally not played football with the guy or even met the guy, and nor do I know him on any personal level. That’s why I am reluctant to pass personal judgment on the basis of what he has done or what he has not done on the football field.
There has been a lot of buzz about his relative “silence” throughout the past season. That should be an indication of what an individual can do when they have the conscious will to try. In all years previous, he did not make an effort to mellow out or keep his mouth shut. This time around it seems that he is.
Also...
The reason I feel Terrell Owens should be back is because the current wide receiver core has proven to be not good enough by my standards. With the exception of Crabtree, the core looks mediocre. Josh Morgan runs too slowly for his position — he is cast as a wide receiver and yet he runs like a tight-end. I mean, even Vernon Davis, a legitimate tight-end, is faster than him. Jason Hill is fast but doesn’t seem to possess the skill set that would take him to the top. Brandon Jones — who knows what he’s even doing on the team at this point. Arnaz Battle seems to be a reliable slot receiver.
This is just my personal opinion, though. I hope that if that the receiver core doesn’t pick up any additions or Terrell Owens this offseason, that my opinion is completely wrong.
What Would He Call Alex Smith??
If TO played a season with Alex Smith it would be very interesting to hear what he ends up calling Alex..Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl QB and TO called him a fag..What brilliant names would TO come up for Alex, transexual, girlie boy,
it could be funny..
Slice it this way
You invited a guy you thought was your friend over to your house for a party. He proceeded to get stinking drunk, make a grotesque pass at your wife, trash your house, bad-mouth you to your friends, and then blame you for everything when the cops got called.
Then you hear that he did pretty much the same thing in two other cities.
After a while you meet him in a bar somewhere, he apologizes to you and you surprisingly end up having a good time (reference to him and McNabb having made up), tells you he’s now working a decent job and rebuilding his character. You check it out with mutual acquaintances and find out it’s true, he hasn’t been giving anyone trouble in his latest job.
Do you still trust him enough to let him in your house or anywhere near your wife???

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