Official Updated NN Mock Draft Thread 2.5 (03/0210)
by Drew Kerr on Mar 2, 2010 10:52 AM PST
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I will be coming out with my own new mock draft when this one here fills up. But to hold us over until I get the time to do that, I am going to provide you all with a new mock draft from Drafttek that has a few shake ups from the last one which had a lot of the same common top 5 picks.
Feel free to let your mock drafts fly out in this post. I'll provide a template below so that you can copy/ paste in to a comment and then add players that you see fit for each slot.
Here it is:
1 Sam Bradford
Oklahoma
QB
Reach (-10)
St Louis
All the Suh talk was fun, but when faced with the choice of taking one of the better college QB prospects in recent years, the Rams need to pull the trigger here on Bradford. They've got a head start on pass protection with Jason Smith, but will need to add a few more target for the accurate Sooner. - Drafttek Staff
2 Ndamukong Suh
Nebraska
DT43
Value (+1)
Detroit
Detroit is elated with the highest rated guy in the draft in DT Ndamukong Suh. - Drafttek Staff
3 Gerald McCoy
Oklahoma
DT43
Value (+0)
Tampa Bay
With the Rams swinging toward Bradford, the Bucs escape Eric Berry purgatory. The stars align as Tampa Bay can select the high character Gerald McCoy. Yes we have FS Berry rated 1 slot higher than DT McCoy, this is a situation where team needs meet BPA.
4 Russell Okung
Oklahoma State
OT
Reach (-6)
Washington
Clearly not the consensus top OT in the draft, but until Anthony Davis or Brian Bulaga do something to come up and take away this perch, Okung stays on top of the Skins board at #4. Okung seems to be the perfect combination of value & need here, despite the temptations of an Elite Safety prospect (Eric Berry) or a potential franchise QB (Bradford or Clausen). Shanahan & Allen will start putting this franchise back on the right path by making a solid decision. - Scott Lilliston (Drafttek Redskins Analyst)
5 Rolando McClain
Alabama
ILB
Reach (-1)
Kansas City
This Butkus Award winner has high athletic ability, a high football IQ, is a coach on the field and played ILB in a complex 3-4 at Alabama. ILB's rarely go this high, but McClain is a rare player. Sold! Merlin DT Chiefs Analyst
6 Jimmy Clausen
Notre Dame
QB
Reach (-9)
Seattle
Seattle opts for the "NFL Ready" Clausen over the accurate Bradford in the QB derby. Clausen will have his work cut of for him as the Seahawks have mediocre talent at the skill positions and also along the OL. - Drafttek Staff
7 Eric Berry
Tennessee
SS
Value (+5)
Cleveland
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
8 Bruce Campbell
Maryland
OT
Reach (-21)
Oakland
All upside in this pick. Has the physical skill set to absolutely dominate the trenches (and second level for ZBS reads), which Coach Cable identified as a priority. Fluid, fantastic footwork, and the all important FORTY time makes this an Al Davis slam dunk. Here's what I love: always in-tune with the play, and able to pick up the blitz - upgrade GALORE. He should supplant Henderson at LT.
9 Bryan Bulaga
Iowa
OT
Value (+5)
Buffalo
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
10 Joe Haden
Florida
CB
Value (+5)
Jacksonville
Rashean Mathis is still a warrior, but has shown some vulnerability - and if you read between the lines of GM Gene Smith, the Jaguars learned from the Saints that coverage is as important as pass-rush in defending Peyton Manning. Joe Haden has the potential to be a "shut-down" CB, and is the best "value" on the board at #10. - Long Ball, DOF
11 * Dez Bryant
Oklahoma State
WRF
Value (+2)
Denver
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
12 C.J. Spiller
Clemson
RBC
Value (+5)
Miami
Why would Miami take Spiller? Simple. As of now Ronnie Brown is a RFA, Ricky Williams is believed to be retiring after 2010, Patrick Cobbs is coming back fro ACL surgery, and Lex Hilliard has only 23 rushes over 2 seasons. Plus, Spiller is a playmaker in every sense of the word. He would add a new element in the rushing and passing games plus he can strike fear in opponents on kickoff and punt returns. - Joe Mays, Draft Tek Analyst
13 Earl Thomas
Texas
SS
Value (+0)
San Francisco
Thomas may have the best range as a safety coming in to the NFL. Range in the secondary for the 49ers was one of the biggest flaws in the defense last season. With the addition of Thomas, the 49ers will put themselves in position to have a top 5 defense in the league. Thomas benefited from a great front seven as a Longhorn at Texas, and he will get that same support to help him reach the same heights of success in having a front seven in front of him like the 49ers do. If he is mainly asked to cover, then his lack of size may not be much of a factor. -Drew Kerr (Drafttek 49ers Analyst).
14 * Charles Brown
USC
OT
Reach (-18)
Seattle
The Seahawks have had the luxury of elite Left Tackle play for many years with 9-time Pro Bowler Walter Jones manning that position. Fortunately with two 1st round picks, they're in excellent position to land one on the top 6 guys here at #14 with their 2nd first rounder - Drafttek Staff
15 Anthony Davis
Rutgers
OT
Value (+1)
NY Giants
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
16 Carlos Dunlap
Florida
DE43
Value (+8)
Tennessee
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
17 * Mike Iupati
Idaho
OG
Value (+1)
San Francisco
Iupati did not have the best game at the Senior Bowl and struggled a bit in transitioning to the Tackle position in the week of practice preceding the Game. However, his natural skill-set on the field while at Idaho may be enough to get him drafted in the top 20. The 49ers need to upgrade at Right Tackle and possibly even Left Guard. Iupati will get an opportunity to see what position he fits best at in this situation with the Niners. He would have a chance to compete for a starting job at potentially either position (Left Guard or Right Tackle) -Drew Kerr (Drafttek 49ers Analyst).
18 Dan Williams
Tennessee
DT34
Value (+1)
Pittsburgh
Casey Hampton did re-sign but he's still 32 and at risk to decline quickly. The Steelers will still definitely be in the market for a top Nose tackle, will they pull the trigger in the first round though? Williams is a solid pick however the greater temptation may be to pick an offensive tackle here or to trade down and target Weatherspoon, Odrick or a corner. Patrick (Drafttek Steelers Analyst)
19 Derrick Morgan
Georgia Tech
DE43
Value (+7)
Atlanta
Atlanta is in dire need for a LDE. Derrick Morgan is arguably the best in the draft having played there in college. Morgan is by far one of the best run defenders at the DE position and in pass rushing should be a force on the line that has Jerry and Babineaux in the middle with Abraham on the other side. - Scott Carasik, Drafttek Atlanta Falcons Analyst
20 Trent Williams
Oklahoma
OT
Value (+1)
Houston
Does owner Bob McNair wield a big stick or what? After publicly commenting that the Texans need to shore up the interior of their OL, they grab the Big Sooner, who had an excellent Combine and convert him to OG. Williams may prove to be a future RT candidate, but his athleticism will make him an inside mainstay in Kubiak's ZBS. - Long Ball, DOF
21 Jermaine Gresham
Oklahoma
TE
Reach (-14)
Cincinnati
With the signing of Matt Jones and the many rumors of a possible Chad+TO show, it is just too hard to keep the WR ranking so high on the priority list. The Bengals haven't ever had a player at the TE position with Gresham's abilities and he would finally give the offense an "over the middle" presence. Derek Rose-Bengals Analyst
22 Brandon Graham
Michigan
OLB34
Value (+4)
New England
After his Senior Bowl performance this may seem a bit low. My guess is Patriots fans would not be upset with this scenario, however. Graham would an instant outside pass rush to their 3-4 defense, something that all but disappeared in 2009. Graham has been a star on mediocre (some may say terrible) Michigan teams the past 2 years. He has a nonstop motor and could excel in the right scheme. - Joe Mays, Draft Tek Analyst
23 Devin McCourty
Rutgers
CB
Reach (-4)
Green Bay
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
24 Maurkice Pouncey
Florida
OC
Value (+1)
Philadelphia
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
25 Jared Odrick
Penn State
DE34
Value (+0)
Baltimore
Drafttek Staff is busy with Combine evaluation. Commentary to be provided by Wednesday AM
26 Ricky Sapp
Clemson
OLB34
Value (+2)
Arizona
Sapp's decision not to participate in the Senior Bowl raised some eyebrows; however, he is on a twice daily, 6 days per week workout regimen that includes rehab for his injured knee in preparation for the Combine. A highly adaptable pass-rusher that can line up all over the field in the Cards' hybrid defensive alignment - the Clemson standout fits the bill at both DE and OLB. - Long Ball, DOF
27 Kyle Wilson
Boise State
CB
Reach (-6)
Dallas
With the top OL candidates off the board (thanks Houston), Dallas addresses the defensive backfield where Terence Newman is not getting any younger. Wilson impressed at the Senior Bowl with his coverage and aggressiveness. Jared Odrick might be a consideration; however, Dallas has more young back-up talent at DE than CB. - Long Ball, DOF
28 Jonathan Dwyer
Georgia Tech
RBF
Value (+7)
San Diego
After combine performances, I wonder if the Chargers will be more enticed by Ryan Matthews as he lit it up with a 4.45 forty time. However, Dwyer is no slouch either. With LT officially released, whomever gets drafted at RB will have BIG shoes to fill. - Brett Stott (Drafttek Chargers Analyst)
29 Everson Griffen
USC
OLB34
Reach (-1)
NY Jets
Griffen was one of those "freak" High School players coming out of Arizona. His combine performance displayed solid results, but his motor/consistency has been questioned. This is what you get in a pass rush guy at the tail end of Round 1. It's boom or Gholston - Drafttek staff
30 Patrick Robinson
Florida State
CB
Reach (-10)
Minnesota
The Vikings have had a revolving door of corners slotted to them in Round 1 and Robinson is the latest. My personal opinion is that Robinson is not a 1st round talent and this is a big reach. There is far too much D-line talent still on the board for the Vikings to reach on Robinson here. - Brett Stott (Drafttek Vikings Analyst)
31 Dominique Franks
Oklahoma
CB
Reach (-13)
Indianapolis
I did not count on Maurkice Pouncey leaving the board at #24 in the 1st round - he was my #1 target. Although I doubt the Colts would pass on Jason Pierre-Paul here, the Drafttek model goes with Franks. Here's a solid CB that the Colts can definitely utilize. Taller than most of the Colts CB, Franks may see action early and often if Marlin Jackson is gone. What really makes him acceptable at this selection is his return capabilities, which the Colts are in dire need of and they basically get a two-for-one deal here. - Rick McGlothlin (Drafttek Colts Analyst)
32 Ryan Mathews
Fresno State
RBF
Reach (-10)
New Orleans
While New Orleans gave Mike Bell the low-tender offer, I don't think he's back in New Orleans next season. Enter Ryan Matthew, who will bring speed and quick bursts to the backfield along with solid power. Consider him a mix of Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush. Now that's scary ! - Rick McGlothlin (Drafttek Saints Analyst)
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This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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This mock......
sucks. Is it supposed to be some kind of joke? I can understand it’s all based on value at the position, but seriously, Thomas at 13? With both Dan and Trent Williams on the board for the taking, I can’t take this mock seriously.
Trent Williams is a joke
This coming from a die-hard Sooners fan… so excuse me if I can’t take your comment seriously.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Dan Williams is worth a pick there though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 2, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Not when we’re trying to iron out a long-term deal with Franklin
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I don't want a long term deal with a 30 yr old NT.
Give him 3-4 years max and let a younger NT develop.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 2, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
NT in the league can play for a very long time
Casey Hampton is 32 years old and still going very strong.
One of the reasons they can play for so long is that they’re not every down players.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Also Franklin didn't start until he had been in the league for 4 seasons
He’s only been a starter since 2007 so he’s got lots of tread left on those tires
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Hampton isn't the same player he once was.
You think that by the end of his contract (he’ll be 35) he’ll still be effective?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
2002—40 tackles, 2.0 sacks, 2 FF
2009—43 tackles, 2.5 sacks,
Looks to me like he’ s just as effective as he used to be. He really hasn’t lost a step at all
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He looked like the same hole clogging beast he’s always been last year. Having Palumalu out hurt them big time. The front seven was still just as effective.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Totally agree
Polamalu is way more important to that team than just about any other player (I’d even say more important than Big Ben)
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Yes I did
Chikmagnet claimed that Hampton was losing a step. I used those stats to prove he’s just as effective
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He looked less effective on TV
I guess my eyes deceived me
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Happens
That’s why I always double check what I think i see with what actually went down.
It’s another reason I hate the “eye test” that gets talked about
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
that colorful swirly thing?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
If that’s the case, a 3 to 4 year deal, then we don’t have to draft one this season. The next year or year after would be more appropriate.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Possibly
But there are a lot of good DTs available this year.
Keep in mind that Franklin’s replacement may be able to play LDE before he moves to NT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I've been thinking ..
that next year we should make a play at Jerrell Powe at NT.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 3, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think the GM decision would be to at least add a DT this year.
At the very least in the later rounds. There really isnt much depth behind Franklin at DT.
Im with Chikmagnet here.
I dont want the Niners to sign Franklin to a long-term deal past 3-4 years.
Quite Frankly(pun indended), the guys a one year wonder. And ofcourse that one year happened to be a contract year… Before the past season he was nothing but depth, now all of a sudden he has a career year and people expect him to keep it up and keep being the best NT in the league for years to come?
Im not sold. People around here are way too quick to jump on and off players bandwagons (i.e. Ahmad Brooks)
False
Franklin came to town once we switched to a true 3-4 halfway through last season. He’s not a 4-3 DT which is why he struggled.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
lol false? ...really??
The guys been on the team since ’07.
Played in pretty much EVERY game since beeing on the Niners. Nolan brought him over after the Ravens LET HIM GO (Oh, and btw… the Ravens play a 3-4). Switching the defense to a true 3-4 helped the ENTIRE defense, not just Franklin. It simplified everyones assignments, especially within the box.
Like i said.. ONE YEAR WONDER. I want to see another good year out of him before i consider him otherwise.
He started excelling once we switched to a 3-4
and yes I’m fully aware that the ravens run a 3-4 but he wasn’t a starter there
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
You still have to consider the idea that he may not continue this level of play
His level play dropped as the season went on.
I expect him to play like he did at the end of the 08 season in the future.
Good but not exactly great.
Even if he does continue to produce, it doesn’t hurt to draft another big lineman to replace Sopoaga now and move to NT once Franklin is out.
Franklin is likely to be allowed to play under the tag this year, and if he doesn’t produce like he did last season, the 49ers may let him go.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I won't object to us drafting a NT in the later rounds
but like I said we didn’t switch to a true 3-4 until late in the season (week 10 or 11 I think), and that’s when he started excelling. NTs have a long shelf life so I think he can be effective for another 4, maybe 5 years especially since he was a backup in Baltimore and does’t have much wear on him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Linval Joseph in the 6th or 7th?
He’s a possibility.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 5, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I just see more value in a guy like Dan Williams
Because he could play LDE too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
More value who versus who?
Willams versus Aubrayo Franklin? I see more value in Franklin in that we already had him right now. Williams is an option based off of what we do in FA and such. But we also have RJF, Soap and Balmer that can play both positions as well correct? I can see your point but just want to point out some counter points.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
vs. Issac Sopoaga
The thing about Ice, Balmer and RJF:
They’re 3-4 DEs that might be able to play NT
Dan Williams:
True NT that can play DE
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree
but with our DLine pretty darn full and having Aubrayo as our “definitive” starter for next year, I’m not sure the value of taking a first round NT. But that could be noted as similar to your remarks about Spiller.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 10, 2010 5:29 AM PST up reply actions
It all depends on what the 49ers think of Franklin
If they feel that they can sign him for 5 more years and get good production, then there is no need to draft another NT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Even if you can get 3 or 4 there really isn't a need
the thing about NTs is that they can play at a high level for a long time. In Franklin’s case he’s got even more productive years left because he didn’t start until he came to San Francisco
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
first drew touche
on the response on the terrance flagler comment i made a week or so ago, but about you’re mock i’m on board with this version i know alot of people may wont spiller with that 13th but we can get value with or 2nd round pick maybe mcman from ole miss,or best maybe even jacoby ford,but we got 2 grab earl thomas if he is on the board protecting that back end is a must espicially with the way are front 7 plays iupati is also a good pick i think people are really throwing the year/career he had because of his senior bowl now if we can trade clements 4 a third rouner and a 2nd or 3rd in 2011 for nmandi well be really on point,
Haha. Gotta help the guys out over there promote the site. It was a good site before I joined though. I am not making the picks either, just providing the analysis. It is a computer simulated draft based on a team need chart and a player ranking system they have based off of what pro scouts are telling them. The Lions analysist was at the Combine this week also, so there is a lot of validity coming from that specific site.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
So you are stating that Drafttek is a valid site....
and even they had Bradford going #1. You stated before that it was just analyst hype trying to drive a story. I really feel like there is a strong chance Bradford goes #1.
They are a valid site because of the scouting information they’re getting, I didn’t say I agree with every single pick. But there isn’t one mock that I see problems with. So just because I say something is credible doesn’t mean I don’t take everything with a grain of salt. Some are better than others though obviously.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Hmm... not a terrible mock. But here are some thoughts.
-McClain at #5, doesnt make any sense to me.
-That just seems like too much of a reach, even for the Chiefs. They need a tackle to build around Matt Cassel and i dont see them taking an ILB when Campbell, and Bulaga are still on the board.
-Campbell at #8, is too solid a pick for the Raiders.
Sure Cable is an offensive line coach, but when has anyone but Al Davis had any word in who the Raiders pick? I personally consider the Raiders pick to be a crapshoot. The fact that almost every Mock out there has different people at #8 supports that. But this would be the SMART pick for the Raiders. Definitely.
-Joe Haden at #10, is good.
But the Jacksonville pass rush was terrible last season, and Jack Del Rio is an oldschool coach. With all the hype Derrick Morgans getting, I would see them leaning more torwards the best 4-3 pass rushing end in the draft.
-Spiller at #12, caught me off-guard.
But the explanation behind it does make a little sense considering the Dolphins are a run-first team. Along with the fact that im sure the Dolphins would love to add a speedster into that wildcat. Something they really didnt have last season.
-Davis at #15, would be a good pick if its there.
But the Giants have made it a point that the defense needs work. I dont really have a name to put in Davis’s place… but I just see them going defense in general with this pick.
-Now for my 49er opinions!!
First off, lets get this out of the way.. Eric Berry at #7?
I would be throwing beer cans at the T.V. screaming for the Niners to trade up at that point. Seriously, is there anyone who doesnt agree that this guy would be a perfect addition to the defense? And if the really does slip to #7, then it might not even cost the #13 and 2nd round pick to move up, maybe just the #13 and a 3rd. Holmgren knows the Browns have holes everywhere and would probably not mind trading a really high pick for a better package of picks.
-Earl Thomas at #13, im perfectly fine with this pick.
If the Niners dont somehow get Berry that is.
-Mike Lupati at #17, im not sold on this pick.
With Trent Williams still on the board, why would the 49ers pick Lupati? This seems like a bit of a hype pick. Tackle in my eyes is higher up on the priority list then Guard. Lupati is a solid guard, and project tackle (at best). Many people debate wether he would translate into a good tackle or just a decent one, if he translates at all. RT is Williams natural position and he is still very young with alot of upside. I see the Niners going with the player that has more of a foundation playing the position they need the upgrade at.
What is the deal with everyone and Trent Williams? Seriously!
I know how badly this guys sucks. I don’t even think he is worth a 2nd round pick. I have watched this guy play for 3 years now… he is not good and waaaayyyyy overrated.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
He sucked at LT the past year. His FIRST year at LT.
But the years before at RT he was one of the best in the Nation.
I know alot of Sooners fans give this guy crap now since it was his skrew up the past season that let to Bradford going down. But you cant let your biased opinion cloud the fact that this guy would plug into the RT spot for the 49ers perfectly.
Are you basing this off of what the analyst are saying? Because that’s what it sounds like to me. My opinion is not based solely off of Bradford going down. Landry Jones last year was running for his life several times because of Williams. Jones is more mobile than Bradford was and that’s why he wasn’t killed as much as Bradford has been the past two years. Even when Williams was playing Right Tackle he got beat A LOT. If he can’t dominate guys he is supposed to at either LT or RT, then how is he going to dominate people in the NFL?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Like I said before too, 3 YEARS (not just the 1 last year) of watching this guy’s inconsistancy is enough for me to emphasize a strong NO!
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
So you would rather they draft lupati?
I cant see the justification in drafting a guy that high to to play Tackle when he spent his whole college career playing Guard. Thats a pretty big investment, for a player whos gonna be nothing but a question mark at the position. He’d be really good at guard, but like i said before… Way too high a pick for a guard when theres a potentially quality tackle still on the board.
As for Williams, inconsistency can be fixed. Nobody is saying this guys a monster, If he was he wouldnt be there at 17.
He has speed, and athletic ability to be good (Williams)
I’m a fan, Drew isn’t. I think there is a LITTLE bit of bias there knowing he was at fault for Bradford getting injured. I listen to Drew regarding him, but sometimes the fans scapegoat, isn’t the real reason.
I wouldn’t be upset with him at #17 in the slightest. I’m a fan of Thomas and with his size at Combine, I’m happy with him at FS.
Iupati is a nice pick. Have him try out RT and if he isn’t that good you move him to his more natural position at LG. Either way he upgrades an O-Line spot, which will help a lot.
I’m fine with Thomas if Berry or Spiller are taken. He’s great in coverage, which is exactly what the Defense needs.
"Alex Smith doesn't inspire the Offensive Line to play well." - Random Troll on Post-Game Thread
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 2, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think smart teams spend 1st round picks on RT only players
If you’re gonna use that high of a pick, he should project to LT at some point.
He might not ever work out on the left and be relegated to RT, but that shouldn’t be his upside.
by microwave donut on Mar 2, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn't possible agree more!
Obviously I would prefer Okung, Bulaga, Campbell, or Davis. But honestly, I would prefer Kyle Calloway (Iowa RT) to Trent Williams. And, you could get him two, maybe even three, rounds lower. He’s had much better coaching and IMO has more upside than Williams will ever have.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 4, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
I could see Campbell to the Raiders...
…especially after the workout he put up at the combine. The guy looks like Tarzan, but there seems to be some concern that he plays like Jane.
I can’t say I’ve seen any Maryland games last year, though. Can anyone confirm or refute the level of Campbell’s play last year?
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
I present to you, Maryland Terp’s LT Bruce Campbell #74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TjoquPNS3Q (Game Highlight vs Clemson)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUFSa5f_y-4&feature=related (Game Highlight vs FSU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y07hju_9Tk (Game Highlight vs Virgina***)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku3yAa7Otu4 (Game Highlight vs The Hokies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjrkHcZ_EaE (Game Highlight vs Cal**)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH2-cJJR-rQ (Bruce Campbell Highlight vs Cal**)
Doesn’t make quality blocks in pass protection(leverage?)
Defenders quickly counter his block and are almost always successful disengaging(hand placement/footwork?)
Defenders run right by him occasionally (awareness?)
***Bruce’s best game (Due to wet conditions I assume defenders couldn’t get their cleats under them to counter or speed passed Campbell)
**Bruce’s worst game
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Based solely off these clips
Are you sure you were watching number 74? Not seeing what you’re seeing with the pass blocking.
Campbell is actually very good in pass blocking. In those clips you showed I saw him give up one sack. He is too high in his stance which will cause issues at the next level bu that’s something he can be coached out of. That high stance will cause him to get beat badly in the pros, but again that’s something that’s fixable.
He did get beat once very badly in the Cal game highlights and ended up tackling his guy but that happens to everybody.
Very poor in run blocking, especially in space. He obviously has the strength (See his combine workout for proof), which leads me to believe that the poor run blocking is a matter of technique. His run blocking technique seems to consist of him sealing his guy off, rather than getting leverage and pushing him back. He did make a very good block on a pull in the Cal game to spring Scott for a big 30+ yard run.
If I had to summarize Campbell it would be someone with lots of raw talent but not very good technique. I think he has some potential to be a great lineman in the NFL—another season in college and he might have graded as the top offensive lineman coming out in the 2011 draft.
The Virginia clip is from 2008 and Campbell didn’t play that game
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
But do you take a guy that will need 2-3 years before he starts in 1st round?
If it’s me, I want a starter from Day 1 in first round. I’m not willing to wait another 4 years like V. Davis took due to his athleticism.
No
I’d take him in the 2nd, but not the first.
If I was the Colts or Saints and drafting at the end of the 1st I might take him.
I’m with you on the 1st round thing—they should come in and start right away.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I don't even think I would put him there.
I have read a lot of people are giving him 3-4 round grades due to his lack of game film, how stiff he looks, and how he has played. However, his upside is driving him up boards. I think of all players he has highest bust potential.
I've heard 3rd and 4th too
but I don’t think he lasts that long.
He may have the highest bust potential but I also think he has the highest upside
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I agree
That’s why he is being looked at in 1st round. However, his game tape shows inconsistencies which grade him out to 3rd or 4th round if he wasn’t such a freak athletically.
Personally, I don’t want any part of him. I want good football players, not gym rats.
I would also want to trade up he would be a very good addition to the monster in the making.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 2, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
This mock has it all backwards
The Rams should take Suh, the Lions should take Okung, Bradford should head to Washington…
Thomas (whom I still think is overrated) and Iupati to the 49ers? Really? Seems like we reached on both of them. I’d rather go Mays over Thomas.
Seriously? Where’s Mays or Weatherspoon? Dominque Franks, Maurkice Pouncey in round 1?
"Should" and "Will" are two different things
Suh is by far the safer pick, but I think the smart money has the Rams taking Bradford.
Which I think is a positive as a Niners fan. The Football gods willing, Bradford will be Leaf-esque and guarantee the Niners two wins for the foreseeable future.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
lol I like that
Lets hope they get that rookie QB in there so we secure two wins in our division. I would be way happier seeing that than SUH messing up our run game..
my updated mock draft
1 Bucs – Ndamukong Suh DT- Rams will try to grab a couple of draft picks and and pick up their QB of the future.. Bucs jump at this chance to get the second coming of BY
2 Titans – Gerald McCoy DT- Shwartz connection to the Titans allows for this trade to happen, plus it gives Lions more drafts to help struggling team
3 Rams – Sam Bradford QB- Rams beat out Redskins for Bradford
4 Redskins – Jimmy Clausen QB- Shananhan takes a chance with rookie QB
5 Chiefs Russell Okung OT Chiefs need to protect their QB
6 Seahawks – Trent Williams OT- They get their much needed tackle
7 Browns – Eric Berry- Holmgrens goes for their Secondary leader
8 Raiders – Taylor Mays S- Blew the combine up and Al Davis has his Tatum Brown again.
9 Bills – Dez Bryant WR- TO leaves his air apparent comes in
10 Jaguars – Joe Haden- a need with Colts and Texans in division
11 Broncos (CHI) – Bryan Bulaga OT
12 Dolphins – Dan WIlliams- Much needed NT to help their old 3-4 Defense line
13 49ers – Anthony Davis OT- Can start out as RT and then move him over to LT and Stanley to RT
14 Seahawks (DEN) – C.J. Spiller RB- fills a need
15 Giants – Rolando McClain ILB- With Pierce gone this covers a huge hole
16 Lions – Jason Pierre-Paul DE- fits Shwartz 4-3 defense
17 49ers (CAR) – Mike Iupati OG- strong inside lineman to sure up the left side of the line
18 Steelers – Patrick Robinson CB- with their star S out the secondary showed its weakness they need this guy
19 Falcons – Charles Brown OT- They cannot let Ryans get hurt again
20 Texans – Jonathan Dwyer RB- they finally get their RB
21 Bengals – Devin McCourty CB- Helps out the secondary… no to Pacman
22 Patriots – Brandon Graham OLB- improves their LB crew
23 Packers – Sergio Kindle OLB- hopes he can be the answer outside
24 Eagles – Ear Thomas S- Hopes he replaces Dawkins
25 Ravens – Brandon LaFell WR- Hopes this big Wr helps Flacco and the Offense
26 Cardinals – Vladameer Ducasse OG- need help for their running game
27 Cowboys – Brandon Spikes ILB- needs help to sure up the middle
28 Chargers – Ryan Matthews RB- hopes to replace LT
29 Jets – Damian Williams WR- Sanchez has his best pair of hands again
30 Vikings Dominique Franks CB best cornerback available
31 Colts – Jared Odrick DT- a need in between Freeney and Mathis
32 Saints – Darryl Washington ILB- helps sure up LB crew
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
As much as we’d all like to see a major overhaul on the Oline, it’s not a very likely situation where we draft two offensive lineman in the 1st round. We may not even draft one in the 1st depending on the free agency transactions.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Much as I'd like us to draft two
there’s no way it happens.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Why
Do you guys say that? The Jets did it a few years ago. If the team feels that an improved o-line will solve our offensive problems, why do you say there is no way it happens?
The Jets aren't the Niners
and especially aren’t McC. We’ve only drafted 4 linemen in the first round in 30+ years of draft history. We’re not going to take 2 in one year.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
If BPA at the time, may happen.
If they have Williams and Iupati graded out as Top 10 picks, and both are available at their picks, I think it’s possible, but highly unlikely.
I do however, think we want to be like the Jets. #1 defense, #1 rushing offense and an ability to dominate the LOS on offense. That’s EXACTLY what we want to do. And remember who the HC of the Jet’s is, and where Sing started coaching.
Your reasoning..
is not very sound on this. The Niners have only drafted 4 OL in the first round in 30 years, but how long has this GM been there? You seem to forget that one of those first round linemen was drafted by McC. I doubt that two OL would be taken in the first, but to say that the team historically hasn’t done it isn’t a good arguement. If the owner was consistently making picks without a GM for an extended period of time (Al Davis) then this would hold true, but that’s not the case for the Niners.
Staley over rated??
I could be wrong but isnt a 13 pick to high for a right tackle?? I thought that high pics were better used for left tackles.
I think Staley is a decent player, not pro bowl material. He did get beat like he stole something multiple times last year as well. He is more of a right tackle and the Niners need a left tackle in this draft.
He did get beat like he stole something multiple times last year as well. He is more of a right tackle and the Niners need a left tackle in this draft.
This is so wrong….
He only allowed like 2 sacks and was a good pass blocker when he was in.
He’s not a good run blocker which is why he is a LT.
He’s a true LT and he would be terrible at RT (as he was as a rookie).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
The Texans aren’t drafting Dwyer (who hasn’t been impressive at all this draft season) or any RB in round 1. They probably don’t draft a RB til round 3 or 4.
Robinson at 18 is a huge leap for him.
I can’t see Buffalo or Green Bay drafting anything but an OL in round 1 given how bad they were last season.
The Ravens passing over Damien Williams?
And finally, I don’t see the 49ers taking 2 OL. Gimme Spiller or gimme death!
Gimme Spiller or gimme death!
lol! nice…
That should be your sig
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
nice
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 2, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
explanations
-the Dwyer gives the texans a big back, this class isn’t deep in RB and i figured they need RB help if they can’t persuade LT to join team.
-robinson is a big CB who played for a big time program in college and should be a starter next year, in the past teams have reached in secondary help
- while i went back and forth on BUffalo between OL and WR i felt they need someone to stretch the field to have the RBs gain yards. OL is deep this year and can find a good OT but Bryant is a can’t miss in that slot
- Greenbay same issue, they need a pass rusher, Kampman just wont do who better than Sergio Kindle.
- I figured Lafell gave them a bigger body to play in AFC north, plus Lafell has more game than WIlliams in my book, as a senior he would bring more maturity to that position. Williams reminds me of Mike Williams a bust for sure
- As for the 2 OL they would vastly improve our offense right away… Spiller should be gone by the time we pick and I can’t see niners drafting a situational back in the first round… their is plenty of return guys in later rounds, holliday, Mccluster..etc. and I was gonna go with a S but this class is deep enough to get a bigger safeties in the second round Nate Allen 6’1 and Chad Johnson 6’3 come to mind, but Goldson, Lewis and Taylor can hold it down for another year.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
Texans
I think they’ll make a push for Thomas Jones
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Him too
Lots of FA running backs they can make a push for
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
They could push for FA RB’s, but Thomas Jones and Chester Taylor are the only good ones.
"Alex Smith doesn't inspire the Offensive Line to play well." - Random Troll on Post-Game Thread
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 2, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Taylor is 31
and has been averaging around 3-400 yards a season most of his career. He’s a change of pace/backup and not a true featured back.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He has low “mileage” though. Also i’d still take Taylor over either LT or Westbrook.
"Alex Smith doesn't inspire the Offensive Line to play well." - Random Troll on Post-Game Thread
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 2, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
The Texans have 3 young RBs on the roster and have a penchant for having 1 veteran back on the roster. Beyond that, they’re in the Mike Shanahan branch of coaching which means you’ll never see a RB in round 1. LT or Thomas Jones should end up there.
Bryant is a can’t miss, but when there’s no QB or line…it feels like he’ll be wasted like Megatron in Detroit. Plus, I can’t help but hope he drops just a tad more…I mean Crabtree-Bryant-Davis…(whistles).
Points for busts to New York. Hate Rex Ryan. I can’t criticize that too much.
You say Spiller will be gone, but you mocked him to Seattle at 14?
Texans don't need a back, they need a CB or DT to help run support, IMO.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
They don’t really have a feature back though which is what that offense severely needs to be complete. Maybe not in the 1st, but I bet they draft 1 back for sure in the early rounds, and quite possibly another later on.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Mike Bell.
That’s who’s coming to town. I’d almost bet on it since the Saints offered him the lowest possible tender.
The days of the feature back are almost done since everyone uses 2 or 3. The offense is based around the play action pass so it just needs an effective running back.
That's a good guess
Lots of available FA too. Jones, Westbrook, LT, Taylor
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Slaton is their feature back, one bad season does not rule him out.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Texans are talking to Westbrook
They may also be interested in LT and Sproles.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Westbrook
should retire for his own safety. I hate saying that, but the concussions are a bit serious.
Death it is.
You want the chair or the needle?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 2, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think that McClain and Pierre-Paul would grade higher than Anthony Davis
The 49ers will go with the BPA at # 13 and that, in this case would be either McClain or Pierre-Paul and maybe even Spiller.
Also, # 17 is too early for Iupati. He is a OG and McC will not take a G that high. This is probably where they would take Davis
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I don't quite get the fascination with Pierre-Paul
He had 1 season at D-1 ball and only started half the games. He had 5.5 sacks in the Big East.
Yes, his upside is there, but there’s also a great chance that he doesn’t develop. Some other team can give it a try, but at 13 or 17, I wouldn’t want him in a cherry red jersey.
All I am saying is that McClain, Pierre-Paul and I think Spiller also are higher rated than Davis.
In the first round they will go for BPA, especially at # 13. I believe I read this morning on MM’s twitter that the niners have Bulaga rated high… it all depends on how McC and Sing finish out their big board.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
It's not like he is Okung, where no reason to debate it.
Bulaga could EASILY be available when we pick at #13.
And would be a bad pick, he is a LT.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
I hear you lott, I like Staley at LT, but I’d much rather draft a tackle that can play both ends as opposed to just RT, if the 49ers pick a tackle that early. You probably could draft for RT later in the round?
No it isn't I think that Sims is fine as a LT backup.
I think we need to add a 2 RT’s
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Sims can play back up for LT and RT he’s played both
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I know, it's just with the injuries, not having Snyder as an option would be great.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Our new RT should be..
Jared Gaither..23 years old and proven tackle and can play RT or LT. Plus it works out so roundedly LOL. We get Crabs instead of Oher that leaves it so that Oher goes to Ravens and is part of the cause of Ravens only putting a first round tender on Gaither.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 4, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
I hope we make a play for him
I’d be willing to give up a 1st round pick to get a proven play maker
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Gaither is a LT
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
He could easily play RT I feel.
Do you feel otherwise?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 5, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure
It seems like a lot of people don’t believe that LTs can make the transition to RT.
Which is why they are strongly against drafting an OT in the 1st.
If they don’t want a “LT” in the 1st, then I’m sure they don’t want to trade for a “LT”
I don’t agree with them, but I have nothing to base my opinions on (I haven’t bothered to research LTs that moved to RT)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my (possibly stupid) take on it
An LT that is more of the type of Staley the athletic former TE guy is more effective as LT over RT.An LT that’s more of the big bruiser type like Gaither is most probably able to make the transition to RT. I guess what I’m saying is that I’d much prefer to take a chance on Gaither a known guy of good skills in the NFL than use one of those firsts as an unknown. I’d like to take him with one of our first and then get one of the OTs in the latter round and have him pegged as a G for next year and also a backup at both T positions. Remember that last year we had a guy that was drafted as a G playing in the RT position.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
then get one of the OTs in the latter round and have him pegged as a G for next year and also a backup at both T positions.
Ciron Black. It would be a second round pick, and I doubt he’d be an effective LT, but is above average run blocking and could play RT after a year or so. Just my two cents. Nonetheless, your idea is a good one.
Black isn't a 2nd round pick anymore...
Not a good Combine for Ciron Black: A slow 40 (5.49), short arms (33) and a weak bench performance (23 reps). He also looked really stiff in the drills. All of this, after a pedestrian senior season. Black is a late-round prospect.
- WalterFootball.com
if we were to go for later (non-first) round OT's to play OG for
at least a while..then here’s some guys I see
OT Vlad Ducasse – project at OT and probably could be a good OG – probably solid second round guy.
OT Jared Valdheer – Another bit of a project OT. I like his feet. He could be a good OG for us for a while then move to OT at another point in time.
OT Ciron Black – mentioned above. Might fit at OG.
OT Ed Wang – Like his feet too. Not sure he’ll ever turn into a “great” OT but could be a darn good OG.
OGs I’m looking at
OG Mitch Petrus – Like his power and speed.
OG Marshall Newhouse – Like his power and speed.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Petrus is easily one of my favorites at OL in general
Big, but not Codyfat….strong, surprisingly athletic. Would be thrilled to see him in a Niner uniform.
It's not stupid at all
It makes sense to me.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
The more I think about it
the more I think Mays would be a good fit for us in our 3-4 defense. In a passing/ nickel situation we could essentially have 6 DB’s out there and have an advantage because of Mays’ hybrid potential.
You could have your 5DB in there, presumably Brown and then your regular personel but swapping out Mays and Lawson for thats specific scenario and throw in Curtis Taylor or Reggie Smith back for deeper coverage.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I don't see them drafting him at 17.
We’ll see though.
Did they interview him at the combine?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 2, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I don't either
I think Mays will go to Pats or to some other team late in round 1 that can coach him up. Maybe Colts, although I think they will go OL if a guy is available. My GF went to school with the Colts Guard (DeVan) so even though she is a fan, I think he is GONE next year.
They interviewed my guys Misi and Tonga too
they also interviewed Gerald McCoy.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Mays at 17 would be possible
It just depends on who is available at that point.
He’s definitely got the talent…and most picks from USC pan out fairly well…and I would welcome more speed with open arms.
I think if Carroll passes him up at #14...
than we should run, run away. If anyone knows Mays’ ability it’s Carroll. SEA has a hole at Safety, and if they pass on him at #14, then I think that says a lot about where he should go, and it’s NOT 3 picks later at #17.
I disagree
You’ve got to remember that Carroll has to draft based on the Seahawks needs and I don’t think they need a safety that badly.
You’ve also got to remember that the NCAA limits how much time coaches can actually spend with their players.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
But Carroll was a part of the recruiting process in bringing Mays to USC, so he obviously likes the kid. Do I think he will pick him because of that factor? No. But there is a chance he could go there. Personally, I think they would consider Thomas and Berry before Mays. Mays could very well fall in to our laps, and since Sing seems to be high on him, chances are we’d take him. He could be a huge weapon at the SS position in sort of a hybrid role.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
SEA does need a Safety though.
All I’m saying is, if he passes on Mays, it says something. Carroll knows him better than any GM, Scout, or Coach in NFL, and if he won’t touch him, I think it says something.
Berry won’t be there at #14, if he is, we are the dumbest team in the history of NFL for not grabbing him at #13.
Definitely disagree
They could potentially land Clausen at their first pick and would need to provide protection for him.
When you start making your moves based off of what a new coach is doing…that’s a bit of a problem. The 49ers should have their plan and stick to it.
Im really on the fence when it comes to Mays.
The guys got talent, but Safety is about a whole lot more then just running fast and hitting hard. Hes said to be very coachable though (whatever that means). So i suppose that puts him under the “Project Player” category? The guy did nothing but hurt his draft stock at the senior bowl, and if he doesnt somehow boost it back up during his pro-day he could very well be available in the 2nd round.
Bottom line -
Is the guy an instant impact player who starts right away? Probably not.
Could he be a Pro Bowler 2-3 years from now? With his talent, hell yea he can.
so how is that on the fence?
2 to 3 years from now as a pro bowler is pretty good. and i disagree that all he did was hurt himself at the senior bowl, he had some mistakes but seemed to get better as the week progressed
very coachable though (whatever that means).
It means that he listen’s to what his coaches tell him and implements it fairly quickly on the field. I don’t even consider him a project player with his athletic capabilities.
Is the guy an instant impact player who starts right away? Probably not.
My personal take on Mays is that he may struggle 5-6 games in to the season, but by the end of the season is a major contributor and “impact player”.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Coachable
look at how quickly he changed his playing style for the Senior Bowl. There was one play where he had the chance to knock a guy out of his cleats but instead went for the INT. That’s in a week of coaching. Imagine if he had a full off season and/or dedicated time with a secondary coach
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He doesn't need to be a headhunter...
when Willis is roaming the middle. I think he could alter his game to go for the ball more than delivering the big hit.
With his height, he has an advantage in going for the ball. There will be a time later on in his career that he could fuse a good mix of both. We all know he can hit, but I think for now, he has got to focus on ball hawking. The other things will come naturally later on for him.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
You're selling me on Mays, you know that right?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
That is the way I feel too. I am glad other people noticed the same thing. With his athletic ability, with the right coaching, in the long run, he could end up being the best DB in this draft. Yes, I said it lott, better than even E. Berry. Call me nuts now, call me wise later.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
okay okay… as good as Berry… maybe not better, but will hold the same value.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
He is an elite athlete. But just because he is taught doesn’t mean he will learn.
I’m enamored with his athletic ability. I would love to have the next Lott patrolling the secondary. There is a possibility that Mays becomes the next Lott. There is also the possibility that he never learns to take good angles to the ball carrier, wrap when he tackles, or make plays.
He’s definitely worth a first round pick, but outside of the QBs and Dez, I think Mays is one of the riskier picks.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 3, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
But just because he is taught doesn’t mean he will learn
He has already showed that he is capable though.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
SSS
In a small sample, in front of a lot of men that he is trying to impress, yes. He has shown some improvment.
Don’t get me wrong, it is an encouraging sign. But by no means does it mean he will learn in the NFL. There is still risk involved with drafting him.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
I just don’t see him, with his natural ability busting if he’s in the right system. The attitude he has in wanting to soak everything up is going to go a long way. He is going to be eating, drinking, sleeping, breathing football and doesn’t have to worry about studying things like economics, calculus, etc anymore… he will be able to devote all that time to his passion now…. football.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Don't insult Ronnie Lott, please don't
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Definitely is
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I don’t think so and Ronnie Lott actually happens to like Taylor Mays and said that he reminds him of himself. So if Lott himself is making the comparison, I don’t see how someone else making the comparison on here is an insult unless of course you are suggesting that Lott likes to insult himself.
Don’t ask for a link because I saw it on TV when they did a sideline interview of with Lott and asked him during the interview about his thoughts on Taylor Mays.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I wasn't talking about what R Lott said, it wasn't him saying it when I called it an insult. It's ok for him to say that, but what I see on the field is just not true.
Pure cover corner ability is what Mays will NEVER have, so he can NEVER BE “the next Lott” Reminding him of himself and being the next R Lott is two different tthings, and that is a fact.
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Ronnie Lott played Safety for 99.9% of his career though…
Maybe if people didn’t make comparisons to other players and we can avoid these small debates. Maybe a more appropriate way for people to word it is has the potential to be awesome or whatever.
But when other players start saying things like, “he reminds me alot of me”… you can almost gaurantee that the comparisons will be drawn. It’s the same thing as if Joe Montana was to say about a young player, “Yeah, that kid reminds me alot of myself”….. people are going to take that and run with it because in alot of ways, it’s an endorsment.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I guess people need to stick to the facts, and lott did not play 99.9 percent of his career at Safety.
99 percent of his memories are there though.
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Well if you want to get technical he played safety 60% of his career. And actually he did get rookie of the year at left corner back so I’ll give you that. But that’s not my point, my point is that if a player endorses another, expect the comparisons no matter if they’re close or not. Since Mays plays the position that Ronnie played a majority of his career and they’re both big hitters, and both went to USC, etc…. you’re going to get the comparisons. I think with his athletic talent, he can be as effective back there.
You’ve made comparison’s of Berry to whoever else that some may disagree with. Like you said all throughout this thread, it’s all opinion. But I dont think anyones intentions were unwarranted by saying Mays is the next Lott when Lott himself in fact said something similar. And I dont think anyone set out to intentionally insult Ronnie Lott. We’re all Niners fans here. At least most of us.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
There’s a lot of similarities between Mays and Lott.
However, Mays has a long way to go to be in that level. He does have the physical tools to get there though.
Really?
I’d love to hear this breakdown.
Maybe if I said Alex Smith has a lot of similarities to Matt Schaub you understand how insulted I was at that comment.
As a 49ers and Texans fan
I’d say it was insulting to Matt…but I would hope Alex could develop into that.
Through their college days, there’s similarities. All-American, highly touted, USC team captains, played on successful teams….
Can he get to Lott’s level? Maybe. He definitely has all the physical gifts to do so though. It’s not insulting to say he has a chance at reaching that level.
Expect Lott lived up the highly touted expectations in college where everyone generally agrees Mays didn’t, hence this whole the coaches told me to play that way fiasco.
Lott also was CB and drafted than played as CB because his coverage skills were excellent. Mays plays safety and can do everything but cover a cone pylon in coverage.
How did he not live up to his expectations?
He’s still a projected first round pick after a generally bad season.
I said there’s some similarities.
I know Lott came out a lot more polished than Mays. I know Lott essentially was great from day 1. However, saying Mays has potential to play safety like Lott did is not an insult to Lott….it’s saying Mays has the physical tools that Lott did and has the potential (if he gets his head straight and listens to coaches) to be a physically dominant player.
I’m sorry, you comparing one of USC’s greatest all time players and a guy who is still widely considered the best to ever play the safety position to a kid whose early career is marked by freak athletic ability and underwhelming production.
Taylor Mays is closer to washing cars in Ronnie Lott’s car dealership than drawing Ronnie Lott comparisons.
Lame. Ronnie Lott himself made the comparison. If a player that great is endorsing a specific player, it may not mean that it will materialize. But it certainly should be recognized and not discounted with sarcastic slander.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
See above
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I never compared and I'm sorry if you think I did.
I said there were some similarities (and there are: size, athleticism, All-American, USC captains, blue chippers, 1st round talent). I also said that he’s got a long way to go before he gets to that level that Lott’s at, but he has the physical tools to play safety like Lott did.
You’re acting as if I said “Taylor Mays is Ronnie Lott 2.0,” and I didn’t. I said he has potential to get there though if he’s willing to work.
I agree with you TexansDC. He has the physical capabilities, but whether he has the instincts and is capable of learning how to play the position at an NFL-caliber level remains to be seen. But if he ever does learn to cover, look out.
And above, definitely comparing A. Smith to Schaub is an insult to Schaub. I would love Smith to be half the player Schaub is.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 4, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mention comparing him to one of th eNFL's greatest safeties and arguably the best ever, so yeah
INSULT
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Christ, grow up
There is a possibility that Mays becomes the next Lott.
The above quote was referring to the possibility of Mays becoming great. I have no clue how you turn that into an insult to Lott
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Even if Mays became a great safety, Lott was an all-pro corner and safety.
Get a Life.
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So?
If Mays becomes great and Lott is great, then the comparison is apt.
If Mays doesn’t become great, Lott will still be great. The comparison will then fail. The uncertainty leads to the use of words like ‘possibility’ instead of ‘guarantee.’
Which brings me back to my question. What is your point?
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
There was not a comparison, not when he is being called the next Lott, his coverage skills won't ever be matched by mays.
SO the comment about Mays being the next Lott is what I called an insult, so maybe you should read the thread thoroughly.
There is a possibility that Mays becomes the next Lott.
It isn’t possible.
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It is not likely, but it is possible. Unless you have some magic device that lets you see the future, you have no clue what Mays’ career will look like.
And I still fail to see how comparing a physically gifted safety to Lott is insulting.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Apparently
cause Lott played some cornerback you can never say someone potentially reminds you of Lott the strong safety.
Even if you’re complementing Lott by saying he is the epitome of an athletically gifted, physically imposing SS…and that 15 years after his career ended, he’s still the standard to reach even though he didn’t play all of his career at SS.
the thing is lott wasnt just great
he was one of the greatest. so unless mays becomes one of the greatest, then the comparison isnt really good enough
Who’s to say he can’t become that?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
He can’t cover!!!!!!!!!! lol :)
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 4, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
well if he is to become one of the greatest
then why would he not be drafted earlier? i see him having a couple pro bowl seasons, but i dont see him getting to the same league as polamalu and reed
He didn't live up to expectations because he was toutedd as a top ten pick last season and showed no improvement.
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Not Really
he hasn’t hit the NFL yet, WAY too early to say anything like that.
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Through their USC days
Trust me, the All-American, highly touted, USC team captains…..
I said he has a long way to go to catch Lott, but it’s not as if he doesn’t have the physical tools to do so
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned already
but Ronnie Lott himself did endorse Taylor Mays as a “specimen” during their Bowl Game vs Boston College.
I’ll try to find the link if I can
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I would not be shocked. Lott is one of USC’s biggest football boosters and is going to praise everything USC.
Disregard...
that quote cannot find a link fortunately
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I think that is half hope and half homerism, I doubt he would say it if he played at another school.
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In a court of law you would be laughed out of it
That is hardly a defense and is completely subjective.
It's an opinion, nothing in this thread is fact.
Aside from Lott endorsing a player from his alma matta and Lott being an all-pro safety and corner.
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I don't see how you don't think Lott could possibly see a similarity at this point in their career
Granted Lott is highly decorated, but I’m sure during College, there are a lot of similarities between athletic ability and where Mays COULD project, and where Lott finished.
These WR's get paid to take hits, Mays is not gonna strike fear in that many wideouts.
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People never feared Lott or Tatum then by that logic
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Who did? Please tell me who refused to run routes near him. he has highlights because people tried to catch the ball, very few gave up on the play.
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They only did it because their paycheck depended on it. Don’t tell me there wasn’t people who feared the middle of the field when Lott and Tatum were on the other side of the ball.. that is sheer lunacy to think other wise… or stubborness to conceeed a point… take your pick.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I'd be afraid
still do it because of the money but you’re always looking over your shoulder when someone like that is on the field.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Anyone is gonna look over their shoulder if their QB puts him in the position to be hit, and unable to defend the hit while making the play.
I wouldn’t be scared, and a lot wouldn’t.
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A lot would and alot were. I have watched enough NFL FIilms and have heard enough WR’s say that they feared those two the most out of any of them. Atwater and Browner were in those talks as well. Shannon Sharpe said he didn’t like going to practice cause he was scared to get hit by Atwater. So please dont say alot didn’t cause it’s simply not being truthful.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
NFL Films (the show)
with Steve Sabol
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I believe he can be better, but it will take something we don't have, which is an excellent DB coach.
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Our DB Coach was thought highly enough of to be invited as one of the drill instructor’s for the Combine. Him and Rathman
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Really, well what is the problem with Brown being subpar and what is the issue with the safeties play, alot of it is technique and a lot of it is basic technique.
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Completely Agree
Watching him come off the edge and up the middle in run support\pass rushing made me think of the same thing.
Offenses would be in a real tough spot on 3rd down & long because either potential S Mays or potential SS Goldson could either drop into coverage or bring the heat.
I can't agree, he is horrible in coverage and I am not too high on our DB's coach.
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Our DB Coach was thought highly enough of
to be invited as one of the drill instructor’s for the Combine. Him and Rathman.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Lets not confused invited with selected from the small pool of volunteers. I like it when 49ers coaches are there, I like it when they coach the Senior Bowl however it’s not a prestigious honor or sense of status.
LOL
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I didn’t realize you worked for the NFL and had the inside scoop on the process of how that all works
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
How do you know? Are you BIG BROTHER? NO
That was lame.
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He was making a wise crack because of what I said above… I don’t have to be big brother (whatever that means) to figure that out
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
The book 1984, it's a classic.
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I didn't realize you worked at the NFL and had the inside scoop either.
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Never claimed to have, what’s your point?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Our DB Coach was thought highly enough of to be invited as one of the drill instructor’s for the Combine. Him and Rathman.your comment….
Lets not confused invited with selected from the small pool of volunteers. I like it when 49ers coaches are there, I like it when they coach the Senior Bowl however it’s not a prestigious honor or sense of status.the response..
Saying that his rebuttal to your comment, would have a solid foundation, if he worked for the NFL. The same goes for your comment.
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This was posted in the Jerry Hughes thread...
Thought it would serve well here for the discussion on Mays. He’s got an interview farther down were he makes a lot of the points Drew and others have been making about simply doing what his coaches told him to do:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d816b3cfa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Got to think the hairs on Singletary’s neck stand up after hearing that from a beast like Mays.
This probably won’t happen but a guy can dream can’t he. Only going down to
17 because I don’t care about 18-32. Also no trades happen
1. Rams- Sam Bradford QB- he’s going to be set into the frying pan on day one. Then Patrick Willis is gonna bust him and he’ll flop giving two free wins for years to come.
2. Loins – Suh- thank god we won’t have to face him two times a year.
3. Bucs – Gerald McCoy – I really like this guy unfortunatly he doesn’t drop to us. He will be good and keep offensive cordinators awake at night.
4. Redskins – Russel Okung – The FO decides to let their QB have more then 1 seconds in the pocket.
5. Chiefs – Ronaldo McClain – I have no idea who they draft but this fits my plan and he’s a good player so he’s in.
6. Seahawks – Bryan Bulaga – Sorry if I miss spelled it but he’s a good tackle. And Seattle needs a tackle because their safety is going to die.
7. Browns – Jimmy Clausen – When a WR is the best QB you have then you need a new one.
8. Raiders – Bruce Cambell – Very athletic and Al Davis loves him already.
9. Buffalo – Davis – They need a OT and he’s the best one left.
10. Jacksonville – Joe Haden – “best” CB in the draft so they take him so that they can boost their defense.
11. Broncos – Dez Bryant – They add another diva/WR to compliment Marshall
12. Miami – Dan Williams – He will help the defense.
13. Niners – Eric Berry – Berry falls to us and niner fans across the world do the Irish Jig. Berry is a great safety and will make the niners have a top 5 defense for a long time.
14. Seahawks – Taylor Mays – Pete Carrol is a homer and drafts an ex-USC player
15. Giants – Sergio Kindle – The Giants need their defense back.
16. Titans – Derrick Morgan – The Titans get a DE before it’s too late so that they can mold their players to suit their needs.
17. Niners – Cj Spiller – COP back and Kr/PR just what the doctor ordered for the ailing offense.
by manraj7 on Mar 2, 2010 8:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That would be the best draft ever. I would be doing cartwheels lol.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 2, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, but if it happens… you gotta take a picture of yourself doing an actual cart-wheel and use it as your avatar for the next year.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I dont think I can even do a cartwheel for real lol but thats how excited I would be
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 2, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Do a picture of a failed cartwheel.
by manraj7 on Mar 2, 2010 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
All the more reason to do it.
That would be funny. What are the chances of that happening anyway?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Please don’t crush my dream. The answer is slim to none but some will be right
by manraj7 on Mar 2, 2010 9:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Your Picks Better
I like your mock draft a hell of a lot better than Drew K’s thats for sure..If Berry falls to us, then we got a great break, kind of like Steph Curry falling to the Warriors..That is the kind of break that the 49ers need very much..Berry and Spiller would be great choices, to bad Berry won’t be there..Please no Thomas or Iupati..
Read the article before you start with
I like your mock draft a hell of a lot better than Drew K’s
Makes you look like you don’t know what you’re talking about or too lazy to read something before you comment on it.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Aren't you and smileyman and rlott#42 all inputing updated mocks every once in a while?
I like some of what each of you has in your mocks so far.. and don’t like some. That is what is fun is that there are a lot of possibilities out there and no one knows how the 49ers big board will list everyone.
If Berry were to fall to # 13, could happen but I won’t be on it… but.. if it did and they were also able to pick up either Bulaga or Spiller at # 17 I would personally rate the entire draft as an A +
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Yeah we are
but this one isn’t one of ours
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Yeah Drew Kis firm in his picks, not firm in stupidity.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Drew K is firm in his picks and not firm in stupidity, meaning you are firm in your beliefs and they aren't this dumb(see mock above)
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Berry falling to 13
Damn it’s fun to dream.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 3, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
My New Niners Mock 5.5
This is a needs based draft, not BPA. Will post my full 2 round NFL mock draft on this or a later thread; FYI it will be only one of two full mocks up to the draft
49ers trade 13th pick to the Packers for the 23rd pick and 2nd round pick
1. OT- Brian Bulaga Iowa
1. DE/LB- Brandon Graham Michigan
2. WR- Damian Williams Southern California
2. RB- Jahvid Best California
3. G- Mike Johnson Alabama
4. CB- Perrish Cox Oklahoma State
5. S- Kyle Mccarthy Notre Dame
6. DT- Cam Thomas North Carolina
6. WR- Emmanual Sanders SMU
7. LB- Micah Johnson Kentucky
Keep in mind that this is solely a need based mock draft, personally i am against drafting solely on NEEDS!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 2, 2010 10:52 PM PST reply actions
Bulaga is overrated, IMO, he struggles against the edge rush.
I like Graham, no on Williams and Best, and the rest seems to be good.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
I like Graham too
but I don’t think his best fit would be in a 3-4. He is going to be his best at a 4-3 DE position.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Why is that?
He looks just like the OLB in Pittsburgh and he also played DE in college. he is solid vs the run and pass, so how would he be better in the 3-4 vs the 4-3. Please don’t say coverage, we only have one decent OLB in coverage.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
I don't know about that
He has been playing defensive end so I don’t know how you draw a comparison to the LB in Pitt unless you’re going solely off how he’s built. But to me, he looks and plays more like a Dwight Freeney type of guy and that’s how I am drawing my conclusion.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
The OLB opposite of Harrison, the name slips, also played DE at Michighan.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
I am not saying it absolutely won’t happen but I just think that he got the recognition for playing DE and should be drafted as such. The Steelers do weird stuff with their roster.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Woodley was a DE drafted as an OLB and has the same size and strengths as Graham.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Size should be the last thing you argue. He’s the same size as Dwight Freeney also. His playing style is closer to that of a Dwight Freeney than a LaMarr Woodley. He has that same spin move, he uses his arms similar, he is alot more like than Woodley. Again, not saying he can’t be switched but I think he’d be more effective as a 43DE
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
LaMar Woodley
And like Woodley, Graham was recruited by Michigan to play MLB.
But that doesn’t always mean a player is best suited to play that position…if they’re drafted as something and switched that is. He is obviously a great fit at DE for Michigan.
Alot of people don’t know this but Ronnie Lott was recruited by USC to play Tailback. Is that necessarily always the best fit? Not always
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Jim Kelly
was recruited to be a LB not QB.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 4, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Preaching to the choir, Drew. I think Graham is best when he is rushing the passer; however, it’s worth noting that he has the ability to play in space.
I know a lot players who were recruited for a different position then what they actually ended up playing. Colleges flat out lie to get the talent to sign on with the program. Typically these guys were told they were going to play one position by college recruiters but insisted on finding the one program willing to let them play their preferred position. Than of course the story goes like this . . .
Recruiting process, “Sure, you can play RB”.
1st Day of practice, “Get you butt over on defense you are no RB”.
What nocal81 posted was a NEEDS mock what you are saying is a BPA mock.
I basically said that OLB/DE is not a big need
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
OOPS this should have gone in response to your post below... It is too early for me ;-)
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
That is where i differ
i believe acquiring a pass rusher is a big need. Remember that 1/4 of our sacks came against the Lions and Rams, this distorting our sack totals for 2009.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 4, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
DE/LB is not a need.. OT/OG/KR/PR/CB/Safety are all bigger needs than DE or LB
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
That maybe true, but passing on one of the best pass rushers in the draft, especially one that is outstanding in run support is not considered logic based on needs.
We have other draft picks.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Well said.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Completely disagree
pass rushers are easy to come by, Offensive line not as easy.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
?
My draft tracker showed high bust probability for DE but it wasn’t separated by DE/OLB. I’ll have a new version out in a couple weeks which will be broken down to DE/OLB as well as CB/FS.
OT is 50/50 based on 7 years of data. When I have the new one done it’ll go back to 1990 so we’ll have much more data, though right now it’s looking like offensive guard and center are still the two safest first round picks you can make.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Not so much
I’m noticing that the further we go back the more we see players drafted from the same schools and conferences. Multiple players in the first from the same schools. I think that’s an artifact of less media coverage of college ball than we have to day.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
huh?
I completely disagree. If they were easy to come by, they wouldn’t be so highly drafted. It’s an important piece of a defense, and few and far between. How do you think Peppers got $20 million per year. They aren’t easy to come by.
I read somewhere
that in 4-3 DE’s are a pain to try and find, good ones that is. And in 3-4 it’s the NT that’s hard (really harder than 4-3 DE) to come by.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 4, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry to derail this but
In your signature, why would the Chargers move from 28 to 17 for anyone not named spiller?
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Yeah
it is kinda lame, need to come up with a better trading partner LOL
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 4, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
NT are hard for sure.
I think any pass rushers are hard to get, that’s the conversation with Drew. He thinks they are easy to come by.
I'd have to agree with you
on pass rushers. I mean back in the day, George Seiffert would have given his left testicle for a great Pass Rusher. In fact for all we know he did LOL
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 4, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Easy to come by? Ask the Jaguars, Chiefs, Rams, Lions, and Buccs
Pass rushers are not easy to come by. Bodies are. I would say sacks are easier to come by than pass rushers.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Well said.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
What?
If pass rushers are so easy to come by, how do you explain the Jaguars 14 team sacks last season?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Gerharts 40 time and our need for a fullback.
Has there been a discussion regarding this? If so please link me.
What do you guys think?
I can't see Gerhart as a fullback if that's what you mean
I rather have the FB from BYU
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
so this mock doesn't think Taylor Mays is a first round pick?
Interesante.
(scrolled thru 4 times to make sure I didn’t miss him, seems like an oversight to me)
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
God I Hope Your Wrong
If we end up with these two guys in the first round, it will not be good..Thomas played on a team with an excellent front seven and he just never really stuck out..I am a big 12 guy coming from Missouri and I just never saw Thomas as a really good playmaker..if you want a real playmaker from Texas take Kindle..I would rather have Mays then Thomas..
The guy from idaho has all kinds of question marks around him..Didn’t play against good competition and is pretty slow..He does have a mean streak which I like..Davis or Williams would be better choices if they were available..
As a Texas guy...
I concur on your opinion about Earl Thomas. He’s really not that much better than 2nd round prospect Nate Allen.
My Niners mock draft
Here is my 49ers mock draft (if they stay where they are slotted)
1st round (#13 overall) – Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame…With Vick looking to go to Buffalo, Bradford going to STL, and Okung going to WAS, Clausen falls in the 49ers laps at 13th overall. He is the antidote to Alex Smith; tough (played with turf toe all season), fiery and he can step into a pro-style offense right off of the bat (although he will most likely be a backup unless Smith falls flat on his face).
1st round (16th overall)- Trent Williams OT Oklahoma…Instant upgrade over Adam Snyder…Plays hard and is a natural RT. Perfect fit which is why every mock draft has the Niners taking him.
2nd round (49th overall)- Kyle Wilson CB Boise State…A possible starter in his rookie season, stud by his second season. Only knock is his height (5’10") but is tough and fast (4.42) but the big bonus is he is a legitimate game-changing return man. He returned 3 punts for TD’s (90, 79, 71 yards each).
3rd round (#80 overall)- Austen Lane DE Murray State…A bit lean for a 3-4 DE (6’6" 267) but could easily add 15-20 lbs without sacrifcing edge pass rushing speed. Demonstrated a great jump off the line and showed he can hold up his own against premier talent with a great performance in the Senior Bowl. Ran a 4.58 and he could be a modern day version of Chris Doleman/Tim Harris.
4th round (between #111-121 overall)- Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech…Great run stuffer and covers the slant and TE’s very well. Big safety (6’3" 232 lbs) but runs decently (4.58). Loses stream on deep routes and most likely will be limited to 1st and 2nd downs and 3rd down running situations. Will look very nice in a year or two next to FS Dashon Goldson.
5th round (between #150-160 overall)- Brandon Carter OG Texas Tech…2nd round talent may drop here due to character issues. The issues are not off the field but on the field rowdy behavior that Coach Singletary could tame easily (think Vernon Davis). A steal here.
6th round (between #190-210 overall)- Marcus Easley WR Connecticut…Intriguing prospect. A walk-on at UConn, 6’3" 214 lbs and ran a 4.40. Hardly saw the field at UConn (a run heavy team) but brokeout as a deep threat his senior season with 48 rec 893 yds (18.6 ypr) and 8 TD’s. Worth a gamble here as a project with huge upside.
7th round (between #230-250 overall)- Hunter Lawrence K Texas…Joe Nedney is old and has a large career injury checklist. It may be time for new blood here. Has had big pressure kicks (BCS game winner from 46 yds out) and can handle kickoff duties with ease. Only knock is the 46 yarder is his career high but most of his attempts were 45 yds or under due to the Texas offensive efficiency.
Let me know what you guys think of my Niners mock. I smell a 2010 NFC title this year and I think this is a good road map for it.
Dwight Schrute is a good screen name . . . I have high expectations.
Not really thinking the 49ers would draft a QB but I suspect they would consider Clausen.
I think Trent Williams is to high of risk to be considered at #17 in this draft but he’s a popular pick.
thanks a lot
Much appreciated. One of the better screennames we’ll see here too!
by David Fucillo on Mar 3, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
I have a hard time seeing Clausen drop that far
Though if he did I definitely think we should pick him up.
I wouldn’t want to trade up for him but if he dropped I’d grab him.
Clausen
I agree. In the end mocks are just mocks, but Clausen has been climbing.
by David Fucillo on Mar 3, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
I Think Clausen Overtakes Bradford
as we near the draft. In regards to the 49ers going after him if he does fall; i am 100 percent against that. Not because i don’t think he will be a good QB but because we have 3 QB’s on the roster and have much more needs.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 4, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't
Give Smith confidence that he is the starter. And drafting a qb with your first pick is not how you do it.
by manraj7 on Mar 4, 2010 7:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
please no on clausen
even if i dont care for Smith, he’s getting a very similar treatment to Daric Barton’s on the A’s. never given the opportunity to perform over a course of a full season. I really just want to see Smith begin the season as the starter and then go from there, no questions asked.
considering we did invest in him as a number one pick and his improvement towards the end of last season, i think we need to really figure out what he is capable of, and drafting a qb with our first pick doesn’t really show much confidence in the guy.
other than that, alright draft, i don’t think we’ll draft a kicker this year just because teams only tend to draft kickers when they don’t have one, at least from my memory. and im not impressed with williams personally, especially considering Drew K’s opinion since he watched him for the last 3 or so seasons.
Kicker’s are a dime a dozen. Think of how many quality kickers go undrafted each year. There is alot of undrafted, unemployeed talent out there just waiting for their chances. Look at how easily we found not one, but two kickers last year when Nedney was hurt
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
The first guy we brought in (forgot his name) was 2/3 on FG’s and made every extra point and hadn’t kicked a football in over 2 years or something like that…. with that being said, I would have to disagree. The last guy wasn’t good or great but it illustrates the point that they don’t need to be drafted. You can bring 30 guys before camp and pick the best one and be fine. There are thousands of college teams out there with kickers… how many get drafed each year? 2? 3 tops? which leaves how many other good one’s unemployeed?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
schmidt was the first one
Andrus was the 2nd one
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Not saying we should draft one
But I also don’t think it’s easy to just grab one off the street during middle of season.
If honesty is what you're looking for, you may not like this
But I really only like your 2nd round pick.
Other than that, I see no immediate use of ,or for, any of those other guys inserted in to our roster. To me, and even though I am a die hard Sooners fan, I think Trent Williams will be a bust and is not even close to the 13th or 17th pick that we’d have to spend on him.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
20 Schrute Bucks for effort
I just don’t like most of your picks. Clausen feels like a bust in the making, Williams is a RT who should be drafted later, I love Wilson but he’ll be gone before 49, Lane and Chancellor…meh, Carter would be a good value pick 5th or 6th round, Easley’s interesting to me, and a kicker with a 46 yard range is unimpressive.
This isn't really fair but . . .
What 5th thru 7th round pick on anyone’s mock draft isn’t meh? Most mock drafts I scan typically have 3rd/4th prospects slipping into the 6th/7th.
I liked his 5 through 7
Except the kicker. I’m not a fan of any kicker in this class because their ranges kinda go south between 45-50 yards.
Just because Buffalo grabs Vick
doesn’t mean they won’t be in the market for a Long Term answer at QB.
Taylor Mays
The more I here about Mays, the more I think he could be a bust. Off the charts physical ability doesn’t necessarily translate to NFL superstardom. Every scout questions his desire and intelligence. Not a good combination of problems.
Bust?
I’m not a huge Taylor Mays fan, but I do recognize he’s more than a bust… but given that this mock didn’t account for him in the first round, maybe you and your scouts are on point.
Jahvid Best did run the fastest 40 time among RB’s at the combine… and there was this play
… and this one too.
I’ll take my chances with Taylor Mays, even in the first round.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
who should the niners take in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds??
I’m thinkin 1st rounders- bruce cambell ( or if a better OL is available , them), and Kyle Wilson
( if joe haden is available ,then him)
2nd round- dexter mcluster(although maybe get him to gain some pounds (hes on 170 lbs))
3rd- another good OL.
I also think in free agency we should pick up terrell owens and if its posssible maybe even darren sharper or antrel rolle( if both are available , then both) ( if both are available but we can only take one hen i think we should take darren sharper!
feel freee to comment!!!
Apparently someone un "rec'd" the post for some reason or another
So if you haven’t rec’d it yet, and want to keep it u so we can all continue the mock discussions, please rec it.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Is there any way to rec if you are on a mobile.
by manraj7 on Mar 3, 2010 8:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I dont believe so, thanks though. Not sure why someone would do that, it’s kind of petty.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Agreed, it doesn’t affect their lives after you already rec it.
P.s. Are we ever going to do community mock draft #2.
by manraj7 on Mar 3, 2010 8:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
Actually Fooch and I have been discussing this. It looks like we will be planning on the next one being on the 13th of this month. I will be having a post go up soon in regards to it
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Awesome I love that event. I will definitly attend.
by manraj7 on Mar 3, 2010 9:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure if it was you or someone else, but thanks to whoever did that.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
interesting
I just Rec’d it as well (had forgotten to rec it initially).
by David Fucillo on Mar 3, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Taylor Mays vs Fastest at the Combine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhYKZHKh4Q
Looks like he is in that 4.30 area.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
I hope they take him before Berry, him and Thomas.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
I hope they take HIM, before Berry, HIM, and Thomas
Who is him? How can you take someone, before himself?
12 is fine 14 is not a good thought.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Bleacher Report Mock
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/355555-2010-nfl-mock-draft-post-combine-edition-round-1#page/2
49ers get Berry and Bulaga
LOL rLott would love this
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 4, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sure don't
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Magic Numbers.........5-7-10
Eric berry draft selections, he WILL NOT SLIP TO THE NINERS!!
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
But you'd take him huh?
To get Berry with no trades?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 5, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
I am not the only one that would take him, you would take him if he fell.
We can’t acquire Berry with no trades.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Yep was just making sure..
that you would not say “no way” on that mock they showed just because bulaga was gotten.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like Bulaga, but I am not the best judge of OL talent, I think he is overrated.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Because they don't want him, or he won't fall?
I guarantee if he is there, they will take him. They have a hole at Guard on their OL.
He won't fall that far and I don't think he's the type of palyer they like
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Hmm....
A big guard that is quick on his feet, and can pull with the best of them? I think that fits them perfectly. Remember, Polian came out after the SB and blamed the OL for not getting the first downs needed in crunch time when they ran up the middle. You don’t think they will want a LG they can run behind? I think he fits with them PERFECTLY and Guard is the biggest hole on their team if you ask me.
Guards
RG Ryan Lilja. 6’2, 290 lbs
Mike Pollack (backup) 6’3, 301
LG Kyle Devan. 6’2, 306lbs
Jamey Richard (backup) 6’5, 295
Iupati
6’5, 331lbs
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
But you are giving me measurements on 4 guys that suck.
That’s like saying we prefer turnstile RT because that’s what we have on our team with Snyder. Iupati is 331 and I bet can move better than all 4 of those Guards.
You are also giving me measurements on guys that couldn’t get a yard in SuperBowl when it would have arguably won them the game. I think they know they need to get more physical upfront.
Those are their starting guards and backup guards
they don’t suck
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
They're not that good
The Colt’s line is very average.
Why do you think they struggle to run the ball every single year?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Because they aren't built to run the ball
They purposely target smaller, quicker linemen so that they can be more effective in pass blocking.
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Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Chik and Smiley
Trust me those guys aren’t good, just because they are starters, doesn’t mean they are good. Snyder isn’t good, yet he starts.
DeVan for instance, is a friend of my girlfriends, and he has been cut in training camp from multiple teams, he was a midseason, or early season pick up for the Colts. He is NOT a starting caliber Guard, and if he is dropped from the Colts, he will have a hard time finding another starting job. Colts didn’t want him as a starter, he was a fill in.
I wasn't saying that they were good
just illustrating a point that the Colts like smaller players.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Notice how Lilja got cut today?
TRUST me Iupati fits at LG for them. He is HUGE but plays much smaller with quick feet. Colts have realized they need to be able to run the ball, and a 290 lb guy going up against 320 lb DT isn’t going to cut it. You have a lot of 3-4 teams up there so need a big guy in middle of line that can help move that NT out of the way.
And remember...
Colts OL coach retired this year. They have a NEW OL coach and a new assistant OL coach.
Didn't mean to reply to my own post a thousand times....
but wanted to add this…..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4904544
and ESPECIALLY this….notice the “They said they want to go bigger and apparently are going to get people who fit that philosophy” part….
Nice find
the first link doesn’t say anything to support what you’re saying, but the second link does. If the Colts really are moving that direction it’ll be a major philosophy change for them as they’ve always liked smaller linemen.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
The first link just shows how the Owner thinks the OL let them down....
….thus explaining the philosophy shift.
You shouldn’t be surprised about it, considered Colts have new HC, new OL coach, and soon to be new OC.
They're not even that good at pass blocking
The Colts have struggled for years to find good OLs (Except for Saturday, who is awesome)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Er
I think Peyton Manning disagrees. I know he’s a large part of their low sack total but the Colts have great pass blocking offensive linement. Problem is that’s all they look for in offensive line and that’s what they coach for so when it comes to running they have issues.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
They have struggled to find OLs
Especially early in the draft.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Times are a changing my friend.
Colts DIDN’T prefer big lineman, but thought process is changing. See above, and see link about Polian blaming his OL, then the indystar.com article where Lilja’s Agent states that Colts want to get bigger on OL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4904544
Notice the "They said they want to go bigger and apparently are going to get people who fit that philosophy" part….
That would be sweet
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 4, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Probable Mock II
1. St. Louis (1-15) – Suh – outperforming McCoy at the combine has put him back at the top of Spag’s Draft Board. I know Bradford is the popular pick as of now, but why would the Rams want someone that hasn’t thrown in the past 5 months because of shoulder problems? Didn’t the Rams have enough injuries at the QB position last year?
2. Detroit (2-14) – Okung – let Operation Protect Stafford commence.
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) – McCoy – BPA pick fills one of many holes on the Bucs.
4. Washington (4-12) – Clausen – Throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the nation [pros or college]. Shanahan also has put up with the arrogant attitude before and has had success.
5. Kansas City (4-12) – Eric Berry – I actually see Scott Pioli trading back but for the sake of Mocking the Chiefs select arguably the best DB prospect in the last decade.
6. Seattle (5-11) – Bradford – New HC, New QB, fresh start for the Seahawks
7. Cleveland (5-11) – Haden – There’s a fast track at the University of Florida. When Florida is to have their pro day I expect Haden to run in the low 4.4s which would help Joe retain his stock.
8. Oakland (5-11) – Campbell – Cable hopes to address the OL and Campbell just posted one of the best 40 times ever for an offensive tackle. Almost surefire pick here.
9. Buffalo (6-10) – Dan Williams – A young offensive line can hurt any offense. The Bills go in another direction and select the best nose tackle on the board seeing that they’re transitioning to the 3-4 next year.
10. Jacksonville (7-9) – Ronaldo McClain – I realize that the Jags have protection and pass rushing problems but at those 2 positions they’re still very young. Both their OTs will be in their 2nd year next year and their DEs are going into their 3rd year. In the 4-3 defense the ILB has more responsibility than in a 3-4, McClain should be able to come in and start in the 1st game.
11. Denver – from Chicago (7-9) – Bryant – Marshall and McDaniels don’t mix. I expect Marshall to be traded
12. Miami (7-9) – Odrick – Big Ten and a Senior— fits Bill Parcells 1st round tendencies.
13. San Francisco (8-8) – Spiller – McC has implied he wants a dynamic running back with return capabilities.
14. Seattle – from Denver (8-8) – Trent Willams – Protecting Hasslebeck or Bradford will be huge.
15. New York Giants (8-8) – Earl Thomas – Converted to cornerback. Giants need consistent play from their CBs.
16. Tennessee (8-8) – Morgan – Pass rush definitely struggled without Haynesworth.
17. San Francisco – from Carolina (8-8) – Griffen – Big productive player. A toss up wear he’ll play in the 3-4. He’s big enough to be a 3-4 End, but nimble and athletic enough to be a 3-4 OLB.
18. Pittsburgh (9-7) – Wilson – Ike Taylor is getting up there in age.
19. Atlanta (9-7) – Robinson – Desperately in need of a CB
20. Houston (9-7) – A.Davis – Schaub took a lot of hits last year.
21. Cincinnati* (10-6) – Tate – Just recently released Coles. Tate had a great combine and junior season
22. New England* (10-6) – Kindle – Can’t have too many pass rushers.
23. Green Bay* (11-5) – Bulaga – Rodgers knows Jared Allen all too well.
24. Philadelphia* (11-5) – Dunlap – Trent Cole needs a sidekick
25. Baltimore* (9-7) – Benn – Desmond Mason is Baltimore’s #1 WR. Not much else to add.
26. Arizona* (10-6) – Weatherspoon – Dansby likely to not comeback next year.
27. Dallas* (11-5) – Mays – Jerry Jones likes his hard hitting safeties
28. San Diego* (13-3) – Mathews – An every down back that the Chargers need.
29. New York Jets* (9-7) – Price – Seems as if the Jets will resign Braylon Edwards and they recently traded for Cromartie— I see the Jets going for a 3-4 end to wait in the wings of Shaun Ellis
30. Minnesota* (12-4) – Iupati – People don’t expect Iupati to fall this far, but no one expected the consensus best OG from last year [Duke Robinson] to fall all the way to the 5th round. Upgrade over Herrera.
31. Indianapolis* (14-2) – Atkins – After Geno’s bowl and combine his stock has been steadily rising to where it was last year.
32. New Orleans* (13-3) – Pierre-Paul – This years Michael Johnson, whose measurables were also off the chart, but had a lot of questions near his name
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Completely forgot Brandon Graham and Charles Brown(unconsciously because I want them?)
If I had to insert them now.. I’d stay..
Graham to the Patriots
Kindle drops out of 1st round
Brown to the Steelers
Wilson to Indy
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I'll go with my 1st instincts
Completely forgot Brandon Graham and Charles Brown(unconsciously because I want them?)
If I had to insert them now.. I’d stay..
Graham to the Patriots
Kindle drops out of 1st round
Brown to the Steelers
Wilson to Indy
Graham could be the everette brown of this year..and Charles Brown doesn’t have to go in the 1st round
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I have a Kindle
it’s pretty cool. Got 1200 books on it right now
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
That is cool ...
… who’s gonna draft Apple iPod out of Stanford?
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
which is why I went back with my 1st instincts
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
So after reading everyones mock draft for a while now I think I finally got it down. Because this is my first full mock draft please comment on it so that I can tweak it and make my next one better.
No trades will be done in this draft.
1a. Taylor Mays- The great thing about Mike Singletary is that he can make a paper bag reach full potential. And Taylors Mays has more potential then an adult male elephant has when he is 4000 meters in the air. On top of that he is very coachable hopefully he remains that way after he gets his first paycheck. If he can switch from being a hard hitting player into a ball hawk I see a bright future in this guy NFL career.
1b. Mike Iupati – I was going to select Trent Williams then I took Drewk’s opinion into account and I decided to look at highlights. I decided not to after a fierce discussion raged in my head. Onto Mr.Iupati this guy will definitly help our problem at LG because he is the best Gaurd available in this draft. An instant starter and an instant improvement to our line.
2. Jared Veldheer – I was hoping he would fall to the third but someone here cough Jared Veldheer *cough* decided that it would be a good idea to do well at the combine. So im grabbing him in the second. Basically this guy will do well. We can implement him at RT from day 1 and is an upgrade from our RT from the first hour.
3. Brandon Ghee – Our corner backs are not getting any younger. While we still have our aging veterans they can mentor our rookie. So when Nate Clements decide to retire we won’t be like a beached whale when the ball is in the air. He’s fast so we won’t have any runaway recievers like we did last year.
4. Jacoby Ford – This guy can be our special team player. Along with thst he will be the speedy reciever that we so badly need. Can you imagine Ford Davis Gore Crabtree all out at the same time. Will they go deep or is it a screen. Oooh spooky stuff for defensive cordinators. Also Battle and Bruce need to be replaced and he can do both of their jobs.
5. Jamar Chaney – In my opinion after the 4th round most of the players are project players. What is necessary for these players is the athletic ability. This is exactly what Jamar has. Give him a couple of years to follow Spikes and P. Willis. Once Spikes retires Jamar can easily fill in the void and complement Willis.
6. Keenan Clayton – Another athletic specimen. Yes he may be a little on the small side 6’1 229 lbs but it’s a 6th round pick Suh isn’t going to fall here. But we can develop him into a better OLB that can fit our needs. If he does not pan out than we can ditch him.
7. Suh – It turns out that he has a nasty habit in practice where if he tackles you he take out a strand of hair and adds it to his collection. Players hearing this convince the FO not to draft him and he slips to us in the 7th. Making him the steal of the year. That was just a joke btw he doesn’t actually do that, and no way in hell he falls to #5 overall let alone the 7th round. I just couldn’t think of anyone that we can get here.
by manraj7 on Mar 4, 2010 10:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Suh and the hair trick ...
… it made me smile though, as did the analogy with the elephant further up. Good work!
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
Anyone got any info on Skelton?
How strong is his arm and accuracy?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 5, 2010 4:46 AM PST reply actions
From NFLDraftScout.com:
01/19/10 – East-West Shrine Tuesday Practice: None of the East quarterbacks, John Skelton (Fordham), Daryll Clark (Penn State) and Mike Kafka (Northwestern), had particularly strong days. Skelton clearly has the best size and arm strength, but failed to hit his target most times. It’s difficult for quarterbacks and receivers to get on the same page early in the week, so even though Skelton couldn’t connect with receivers downfield, the fact he could drive the ball deep while the Big Ten quarterbacks struggled to do so is still in his favor. – Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com
From a few things I’ve read, it seems like he has a really strong arm but he isn’t particularly accurate. I’d absolutely take a 6th- or 7th- round flyer on him, but it seems like his stock may be rising.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 5, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
He looked pretty strong in the combine as far as accuracy but it wasn’t in a game situation. I personally haven’t seen too much on him other than that. I watched the East-West Shrine game but I dont remember how well he did because Kafka played a majority of the time.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Joe Haden.
Anybody whos been keeping an eye on the draft the past 5-6 years knows that in the current combine age, a slow 40 time can knock a player a few spots back no matter how good he is. Especially when its at a position where speed is coveted.
That being said. Many believe that Haden’s dissapointing 40 time will be enough to knock him out of the top 10. Now, 6 weeks ago is a longshot to think Haden would fall to the 49ers at #13, but right now its actually considered a possibility. I know alot of people have sold themselves on Spiller or the best tackle available at #13, but i would hold Haden as a no-brainer if hes there.
What do you guys think?? When i look at Haden i see a guy in the Nate Clements/Antrel Rolle mold. Not the fastest guy on the field but he has solid technique, and most of all hes physical. He would take the starting nickel spot right away, if not the #2 spot just because of his run support.
Haden is small and aslow, definitely a combination worth passing on.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
No slower then any of our current CB's
Spencer would be the only one who could be considered faster. Maybe Bly as well but hes getting old and who knows when he’ll start to decline.
The NFC west isnt exacly full of speedster WR’s either, so I can look past his 40 time. He doesnt play like a guy his size, the guy looks for contact first and i respect that.
Brown is probably faster too
And Clemments might also be faster.
More physicality in or DB group is not needed.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly why I don't want him, if we add a CB he should have more speed than what we have.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
If the Niners release Clements or Spencer then you can bank on it, if not, dont count on it
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
If they released a corner and took Haden, that would be a flop!
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Brown and Spencer have better coverage skills
Arguably. But neither of them come close to his Run support. That was obvious when Clements wasnt in the line-up.
and remember, this is a guy that was a QB in HS, and started out in College as a WR.
So he has what, 3 years at CB? He is going to get better. But I will admit, his speed, or lack thereof, does scare me.
It's a passing league
Stopping the pass is much more important.
And the 49ers continued to do exceptionally well against the run without Clemments.
We don’t need another “run stopper”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
he has solid technique, and most of all hes physical.
That’s the thing.
He DOESN’T have good technique.
Add that to the fact that he’s slow and small and it’s a recipe for a bust.
A lot of people on here have been saying that he’s not even the best CB in the draft for quite some time now.
I’d much rather reach for a guy like Kyle Wilson or Patrick Robinson than take Haden.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 5, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
So they can move him to Safety?
Seriously, this guy isn’t that good.
His college production wasn’t even that good.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Okay My New BPA Available Mock
and then i will be done for about a week or so.
1. S- Eric Berry Tennessee
1. RB- CJ Spiller Clemson
2. WR- Damian Williams Southern California
3. G- Mike Johnson Alabama
4. DE- George Selvie South Florida
5. CB- Walter Thurmond Oregon
6. DE/LB- Jermaine Cunningham Florida
6. LB- Kion Wilson South Florida
7. OT- Tony Washington Abiline Christian
Yes Berry and Spiller will be available when we pick, refer to this prediction come draft time
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 5, 2010 2:39 PM PST reply actions
I most vertainly will
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
This would make me happy in a way i cant even describe
But i dont see them drafting only 1 guard and 1 tackle. And i definately dont see them waiting till the 7th round before taking a tackle.
But any mock where the Niners get Berry is a mock i like.
Yeah I Honestly do
if the draft plays out like i think it will then our options at tackle will be limited. I see Okung, Campbell and Davis all going before the niners pick, and yes even possibly Trent Williams, who i don’t even want anyways.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 5, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder how the Cromartie and Robinson thing will affect the CB class in the draft in the 1st Rd now?
I think there may only be 2 CB’s tops drafted in the 1st
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I don't think it does...
Atlanta was never drafting a CB neither were the Jets. Atlanta was always marked as a DE/OLB team…maybe a S. NY seems WR hungry for Mark Sanchez.
I still think you’ll see Haden gone in the top 15 and then Wilson and another at the tail end.
Untrue…. I had seen a majority of mocks with Atl and NY taking CB’s.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
They obviously needed them
so it’s not like it wasn’t warranted for them to be taking CB’s in the draft too
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
NY I'll give you...
but I haven’t seen Atlanta mocked at CB since the pre-Shrine Game (before Donovan Warren was pushed out of round 1). They’ve been DE or Weatherspoon.
Atlanta has no corners at all though, they at least have Abraham coming back.
One DE and no CB’s? They may still take a CB in the draft, they have the Saints in their division.
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
They're gonna go like hot cakes in the 2nd and 3rd
But yea not many 1st rounders.
If we sign David Carr, we will not have to draft any players to win the SB
David Carr will save this team and lead it to the promised land. We should sign him now. We won’t have to draft anyone if we sign David Carr
What are thee chances that the Raiders will be willing to deal their number 8 overall pick??
I mean if I were Al Davis (lol) i wouldn’t want another high draft pick on the roster and more picks could be good as well. Too bad he is a stubborn and ignorant fellow(aside from us getting Crabtree) We could offer them our 17th overall and a 3rd plus a pick next year to get berry.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Drew are you going to post your mock soon.
On topic do you think Jared Veldheer will fall to our third round pick.
by manraj7 on Mar 8, 2010 8:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't think he will fall that far, he may be gone before our second round pick.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
I am going to try and get it out this afternoon. Vehldeer could be there for our 2nd but I don’t think the Niners will be drating a Tackle in the 2nd. I believe they’ll go for one of the guys in the 1st with the 17th pick. I think they will go with impact player with the 13th and Tackle with the 17th. But it all just depends on their board. I can’t see them doing anything creative or outside the box in trading in the 1st round. If they do any trading up or down it’s going to be done in later rounds.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Damn I wanted him and Iupati and our O-line will be legit.
by manraj7 on Mar 8, 2010 11:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
My Version of the Mock
Here’s my version of the draft as of 3/10. Let me know what you think guys.
1 Rams – Sam Bradford – Let’s be real, as much as I like Suh, no one spends that kind of money on a DT, although if they pick up Derek Anderson, they could take him.
2 Lions – Ndamukong Suh – They’ll take the best DT available and have one of the better D lines in the league.
3 Bucs – Gerald McCoy – Bucs take the best DL still on the board.
4 Redskins – Russell Okung – Just don’t see a QB worth taking here now that Bradford’s off the board. I think Shanahan fixes the line this year and goes after Jake Locker next year.
5 Chiefs – Eric Berry – One of the top 3 players on the board drops into KC’s lap here. He may turn out to be rookie of the year.
6 Seahawks – Jimmy Clausen – I don’t care what people say about him being cocky. You have to be that way as a QB and in Pete Carrol’s offense, he’ll be a star…in a few years that is.
7 Browns – Joe Haden – The Browns have plenty of needs but they team this guy with Wright and their defensive backfield is set for many years.
8 Raiders – Bruce Campbell – The Raiders take a position of need but go with the workout wonder rather than a more polished player like Bulaga or Trent Williams, but this is Al Davis we’re talking about.
9 Bills – Brian Bulaga – With Bradford and Clausen off the board Buffalo has to go offensive line and Bulaga is the best tackle on the board.
10 Jaguars – Derrick Morgan – Could go a number of ways here but Jack Del Rio is a defensive coach and will go with a defensive lineman here. Pierre-Paul could also be an option.
11 Broncos (CHI) – Dez Bryant – Assuming they trade Brandon Marshall, receiver becomes their number 1 priority.
12 Dolphins – Dan Williams – With Ferguson suspended the first 8 games, the Dolphins need a dominant DT to occupy the middle and Williams is just the man.
13 49ers – Trent Williams – The 49ers are an offensive line away from being a very good team. They’re defense is fairly dominant and they have excellent skill players but the line needs help and Trent Williams gives them an immediate fixture at RT. Teaming him up with Staley gives them two bookend tackles for years to come. I could also see them going with Spiller here and picking Iupati with #17. Seems like Singletary’s kind of guy…
14 Seahawks (DEN) – C.J. Spiller – Do you really think Pete Carroll will let this guy get past him at this pick? I think this will be Denver’s pick after the Seahawks take Marshall of their hands, but for now we’ll go with Spiller.
15 Giants – Rolando McClain – The Giants need help at LB and McClain gives them a very good one to build around.
16 Titans – Jaso Pierre-Paul – They need DL help bad and they’re hoping that JPP is the next coming of the Freak. Either way he fills a big need for the Titans.
17 49ers (CAR) – Taylor Mays – It hurts me to put his name here and not Earl Thomas, but Singletary likes big, punishing hitters and that’s exactly what Mays is. He’s taken a beating for his cover skills but I heard he had a great meeting with the Niners brass and they really could use a safety in the mold of Ronnie Lott.
18 Steelers – Mike Iupati – They need O-line help and Iupati brings that and a mean streak to Pittsburgh. A perfect marriage for these two.
19 Falcons – Brandon Graham – After picking up Duanta Robinson they address the DL with this pick.
20 Texans – Earl Thomas – The Texans get two wins with this pick, getting a local guy and filling a need in their defensive backfield with the departure of the aforementioned Robinson.
21 Bengals – Golden Tate – I think they’ll sign TO in the next few days but they still need a slot guy to catch the ball underneath and turn a 5 yard catch into a 30 yard one. Tate is that man.
22 Patriots – Brandon Spikes – The Pats could also go D-line here but I don’t see them letting Spikes get past them if he’s available.
23 Packers – Anthony Davis – The Packers could use some D line help as well but getting Davis here is just too good to pass up.
24 Eagles – Sean Witherspoon – I also think Brian Price is a strong possibility here but the Eagles need LB help bad and Witherspoon will be a great backer in Philly.
25 Ravens – Arrelious Benn- They just got Boldin from AZ but one receiver doesn’t fix it all, especially if they lose Mason. Benn is a big receiver who can get open across the middle and win jump balls in the endzone, similar to a former running mate of Boldin.
26 Cardinals – Sergio Kindle – With all the 1st round offensive linemen off the board the Card’s pick up the successor to Karlos Dansby.
27 Cowboys – Brian Price – The Cowboys could use another quaility DL, especially if they lose Marcus Spears. Price is a beast who gets into the backfield more often than not and will make life easier on D Ware.
28 Chargers – Ryan Mathews – The Chargers need an every down running back and this guy can definitely carry the load.
29 Jets – Everson Griffin – Vernon Gholsten has been a huge bust and the Jets may give up on him before the season starts so they’ll need someone to slip right in. That’s where Mr. Griffin comes in.
30 Vikings – Kyle Wilson – There aren’t too many needs for this team but an upgrade at corner or nickel would be high on their list. He’ll be a good one.
31 Colts – Jared Odrick – The Colts need DL help bad and this guy really adds depth to their line. Gary Brackett will like this pick after resigning long-term in Indy.
32 Saints – Maurkice Pouncey- Not too many needs for the Super Bowl champs but o-line depth is always good and this guy can play C and both guard positions. The rich get richer.
I think the Niners will address their return man needs in the 2nd or 3rd round with a Mardy Gilyard type player. They’ll get a pass rusher in one of those rounds as well. This draft is too deep to reach
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