Lets say McNabb is traded to us(hopefully not)
by Dub4lif3 on Mar 25, 2010 6:58 PM PDT
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What happens?
I become a fan of a different team. Probably the Bronco’s. But that’s just me.
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
Lets say Jamarcus Russell is traded to us(hopefully not)
What would happen with Alex Smith then? Because Russell does have no good years left under him, and Alex would be 27-28 years old, supposedly the “prime” stage. That would ruin his whole career sitting on the bench (moreso than the way we’ve treated him up until now) and even though we might go early into the draft with Jamarucus, I just don’t think he can lead us to a #1 overall pick. Right now, i don’t think Alex can succeed without an o-line, but he needs at least a year to prove to doubters and to people in his favor that he can be our next great qb. Trading for russell will only ruin this team, and that something we can’t do. He’s been competing, took a pay cut, and came in last year totally revamped and looked decent. He just needs 1 year, and if he doesn’t do well, then we have to cut him loose. But that 1 FULL year, without injuries, is definitely needed. I think he can become a pretty good quarterback, and trading for russell will ruin everything he has going for him.
DREAM DRAFT:
1. Get Bushrod or Gaither for a 2nd rounder
2. Trade #13, #17 and our 3rd to Browns for #7, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders
3. Take Eric Berry #7
4. Iupati or a CB
5. Speedy WR or COP back
6. BPA for the rest
by MichaelClutchtree on Mar 25, 2010 7:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If McNabb became the starter...
…Then yes, I would agree that it would ruin Alex Smith’s career and take any chance he has of proving he is not a bust. Smith has never really had a fair situation since he was drafted, which is why I am hesitant to call him a bust and vilify him like many other people do when a player appears to not be performing up to expectations.
But I think the 49ers will not pursue McNabb. As some people have already made the case, McNabb is a West Coast Offense quarterback and the current personnel on the team (players and coaches) are geared more toward Smashmouth and Spread Offense styles. Personally I like to see it simply, that a player is a player and that the game of football, though so complex, is also very simple in that regardless of the formal style the same basic concepts for routes and what not remain the same.
That aside, Mike Singletary and the 49ers upper management have given me (and probably most people) the impression that they are content with the quarterback situation and are confident it will work better this coming season. While I acknowledge and share the wish for the 49ers to be an elite and not average team, it’s just foolish to go after high-salary proven performers when our developing performers clearly have so much potential.
Alex Smith may displease a lot of people with the obvious anxiety he tends to feel that leads him to throw those interceptions, but you cannot deny his accuracy and his ability to just…gun the football downfield when it matters. While he has not always been successful (Montana and Young were not initially either), he has given every indication that he is not a quitter and that he feels a sense of belonging in the 49ers. He also continues to work hard despite the setbacks. I mean, he even took a pay cut just to stay on the team. Now that is character, and we just can’t give up on him without giving him a fair chance with at least an adequate offensive line and a chance for him to get in sync with his receiving core.
Otherwise...
…If Alex Smith still can’t play up to expectations, he will be benched and David Carr will replace him for the remainder of the season and possibly next season. After that, the 49ers will be ready to start Nate Davis at quarterback, and will probably revert to more of a pass-happy offense (Air Raid, maybe?). That is my prognosis, anyway.
well
If the latest rumors are true that states that Eagles will only trade McNabb if they get a pick in the top 42(and why top 42, that seems like a random number) that they won’t trade McNabb. For us that both our firsts fall into this category, not our second. So hopefully this puts us out of the running because I don’t want to move a first for McNabb under any circumstance.
we'd have to give them a package
we’d have to give them 49 and include a player with it. Maybe they can take Alex or Carr as their backup? I have no idea the value of these types of trades. Smileyman would probably be able to put together some scenarios.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Rumor is the Eagles want at least a 1st
or a pick in the top 10 of the 2nd round. They might accept a lower conditional 2nd if you toss in a player.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
that's what I meant
pick 49 plus which player on our roster?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I'd give 'em Robinson
they could use some depth at RB
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
I think they've publicly stated
they wouldn’t entertain anything less than a 42 for him.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 29, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith
Here’s what it would mean for Smith….
He becomes trade bait. If someone wants him, he gets traded so we get value. Or Carr gets traded and Smith becomes the backup regardless of his feelings. At years end, we offer Alex a contract again to be a backup if he looks good enough in practice.
We’ll obviously draft another QB at this point and let McFlab groom him. Perhaps if Alex resigns after this year, he’ll be allowed to compete again once Donovan hangs it up. However, keeping him on the team after this year as a backup will likely alienate fans, which wouldn’t be good. Essentially, if we get McNabb, Smith’s career in SF is all but done. And there could be suitors out there if we want to trade him at low value. Bills, Panthers, Vikes, Jags, Browns, Skins, Chiefs, Bengals, Falcons and even the Eagles. All these teams could use a young backup with experience or someone to compete for the starting gig.
Now, for anyone who really wants this to happen (for the record, I don’t, I’m happy with Alex starting this year and perhaps beyond), here’s a potential scenario: #49 and A. Smith to Philly for D. McNabb and 2011 conditional draft choice. The conditional pick would likely be a 4th/5th rounder escalating 1 round if Alex plays 50-60% of the offensive snaps, and 2 rounds if he plays 75+% of the snaps.
Donovan cultivates Davis
would be the plan too. They big-brother-little-brother it up and Nate is groomed over a 2-3 year period. I don’t think Smith would stay, but then again Carr doesn’t want to be on a team where he thinks he’s sure to be a backup either.
Would get interesting.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I'm not sold on Davis...
and I don’t know if the FO is either. I know everyone loves to believe Davis is our future, but he just doesn’t inspire confidence in me. The learning disability is a huge turnoff considering our tendancy to go through OC’s lately. Honestly, I can think of at least three late round picks that I’d rather have on the roster (Skelton, Crompton, Kafka). I still believe that they should bring in a fourth QB during camp and see if he outperforms Davis. Davis would have a leg up due to already being there for a year, but I still think either of these three could knock him out of the roster spot.
by 9thevolution on Mar 26, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree
They should bring in another QB, a camp arm, whatever you wanna call it. Constant competition, “iron sharpens iron”.
I just think Davis would benefit from having an all-pro QB on the squad who really likes him on and off the field. Like I said, big brother type of deal.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I don't doubt he benefits....
but I’d rather see someone else benefit from McNabb’s tutulege. Not that it matters because I don’t want the McNabb trade to happen anyway.
by 9thevolution on Mar 26, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this a racial thing?
All the arguements I have read here on NN have centered around not getting McNabb for what that might have to do with Alex Smith as an individual. Has anyone thought about what it might mean for the team?
Alex was drafted in 2005 as a first round pick. That was 5 years ago! In that time, Alex has been benched, injured, and replaced in the starting lineup. In fact….TWICE! By journeymen quarterbacks! What can you point to that says that either David Carr, or Alex Smith is a better QB than Donovan? Are you high? Neither Smith nor Carr has made the playoffs, Donovan took a bunch of worthless Philly teams to the playoffs, and to the Super Bowl! Alex and David are just now trying to crack the top 20 in QB’s. Donovan has made a home inbetween the top 5 and top 10. This is the guy you DON"T want on the Niners team?
Besides, there is one thing that Donovan has over both of the guys on our team….EXPERIENCE! There isn’t a defense in the league that Donovan hasn’t seen or beaten. And before you start on the arguement that Carr and Smith didn’t have good teams to play on…..look carefully at the teams that McNabb has had. Of the teams that McNabb has played on, the most dynamic was Brian Westbrook, a HB. Carr had Johnson, and Smith had Bryant Johnson.
Even in his advanced age, McNabb is lightyears ahead of both Smith and Carr. He is still physically capable, as he stays in top shape, he has no issue with showing up for OTA’s and other team functions. He is also a great PR man as his Campbell’s Soup commercials have shown. He is also not averse to being a team leader in the locker room, something that Smith nor Carr has been able to accomplish.
The only reason that I can see from the pathetic arguements that have been posted here is; race. There is no statistical,performance or personal reason that can be given that can support not bringing in a perenial Pro Bowler to the team as the most important component. McNabb would not only help us get to the playoffs, (which neither Smith nor Carr has been able to do with their respective teams.) but, I could see very easily how he could help us get to the Super Bowl.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
McNabb always has injury issues
I don’t want to gamble or invest in a 32 year old QB who doesn’t have the track record to play a full season.
Smith’s not that far off from McNabb.
Look at last season:
60% completion, 92.9 QB Rating, 22 TDs/10 INTs
60% completion, 81.5 QB Rating, 18 TDs/12 INTs
Alex Smith has room to grow. He’s not even that far off of McNabb. He can develop beyond McNabb’s numbers. I don’t think McNabb’s gonna get any better. I’d rather take my chance with Smith growing and developing in the offensive system while adding more talent to the team than shipping picks and a big contract away for a 32-year old who has only played a full season 4 out of 11 seasons.
by TexansDC on Mar 26, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering both of their OL issues, I wold say you can tell who the veteran is. Our offensive weapons are better, but Smith only played half a season.
-Black Sand Ninja
He played 3 fewer games than McNabb
And with their OL issues, Philly still had a good offense.
I just don’t see what McNabb brings in. He gets hurt, he has to learn a new offense, he wants a new deal…why invest in all that? What guarantee does anyone have that he’ll lead us to the promised land? I just don’t buy it. He’s not a top 10 NFL QB.
FTA: The same could be said of Brett Favre the past 2 seasons.....and you see how those ended.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Not really...
Favre never missed a game, he didn’t have to learn a new offense….and he has won the Super Bowl.
FTA: Yes, Smith has room to grow....the one thing the TEAM doesn't have; is time.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Have to ask...
FTA? Not sure what you’re specifying by that..probably gonna smack my head after hearing it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 29, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
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"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
Claiming race is a ridiculous insinuation...
McNabb isn’t worth the price he carries at this point and the team is going in a different direction. If the price is right, the Niners are going to pull the trigger on a trade, but that doesn’t mean we have to agree it’s the best move for the team. On top of that, there is no guarantee that McNabb is going to come here and command the offense any better than Smith. He’s been in the same system for his entire career and would now have to learn something brand new.
Your agruement that Smith nor Carr could get their teams to the playoffs is a complete stretch. Neither of the teams they played for were good enough as a whole to make the playoffs, with the exception of Carr on the Giants. And yes, two years ago, the Giants could’ve and would’ve made the playoffs with Carr under center rather than Manning.
Oh by the way, most of the people here scream and cry that Nate Davis is our future and he should be starting over Smith and Carr. Davis is black, so race is not an issue here.
by 9thevolution on Mar 26, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
And you think Carr is worth a 3 yr, mutimillion dollar contract?
BTW:….what does it say about Smith if they brought in another QB who has been a bust every team he’s played with? Hmmmmmm…….
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Since I stopped at the race comment.....
And before you start on the arguement that Carr and Smith didn’t have good teams to play on…..look carefully at the teams that McNabb has had. Of the teams that McNabb has played on, the most dynamic was Brian Westbrook, a HB. Carr had Johnson, and Smith had Bryant Johnson.
I just have to address this. Who is Bryant Johnson? Oh, that’s right, he’s that REALLY dynamic receiver who wasn’t offered a contract after his first year with the team. And who was the QB that year? JT O’ Sullivan? Yeah Smith was on IR that whole season.
As for McNabb, the most dynamic player he had was TO and his 15 TD’s the year that Philly made the SB. Oh yeah, he missed a few games with a broken leg and still made it back for the SB and had 100+ yards and a TD that game, if I remember correctly. Can you remind me, who choked in that game and couldn’t get the job done, citing a stomach virus that hindered his play? Yes, it was McNabb.
Take your tired arguements elsewhere. McNabb may be a HOFer and have a better career than Smith ever will, but right now, he’s not a much better option.
by 9thevolution on Mar 26, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It's no coincidence...
that McNabb’s best year was that TO-Super Bowl year.
He’s had more talent around him and couldn’t get it done. Meanwhile, Alex Smith has changed offensive coordinators and played on some talentless, rebuilding teams.
Yet, Smith still put up McNabb-type numbers last season. Imagine that…imagine what he could do with an offseason of starter’s work, more talent on the line and around him, and a season of experience of PLAYING.
In 2010, Alex Smith > Donovan McNabb.
More talent?
He had T.O for one season and after him, he has only had Westbrook. That’s it.
-Black Sand Ninja
When Alex was drafted
the Niners were devoid of talent. We all know that. Donovan can complain all he want, but he still had teams go to the playoffs year in and year out.
interesting arguments
i feel the race thing only a little bit. I’m sure plenty of folk, including some on here, dislike him secondarily (maybe primarily?) because of race. But, I believe we don’t need mcnab. I talk a lot of crap about alex smith, but I WANT, no, I am PRAYING that Alex Smith has a breakout season and becomes something finally. Plus, I’m satisfied, for now, with Carr backing him up, and with Nate in the wings. I don’t feel that Mcnab is worth anything that we’d have to give up to get him. Plus eff mcnabb and anyone that’s played with the schmeagles that long! (I’m from baltimore. I hate philly) This year I’ll be pulling for A Smith as if we were the 49ers of old battling it out in the playoffs……I just need to find a way to not be so emotional and pissed if this all fails…..
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
People...
stop with the “race issue” garbage. Seriously? That’s the only attribute of McNabb’s that you think people here have an issue with? McNabb just isn’t a great QB. I’ll admit he’s a GOOD QB, but not a GREAT one.
At this point i’m not even talking to redrum anymore, but to everyone. Alex Smith has more upside then McNabb does in 2010. McNabb has hit his ceiling, Smith hasn’t. What’s more, Smith put up McNabb-like stats last season, but started fewer games. I’d rather have Smith start next season then McNabb.
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Credit to iaalexeeff
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Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 26, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
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smith has put up mcnab-like stats? (for only 1 yr, mind you) and yet he’s better than mcnab?……um, ok.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
i didn’t say Smith was better the McNabb. Nice of you to put words in my mouth.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Also surviving member of the underwhelming Jed York Conference Thread 3/22/2010
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 28, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
There's no race thing.
Look at McNabb’s numbers. They aren’t impressive. He’s not a top 10 NFL QB (Peyton, Brees, Brady, Farve, Eli, Rivers, Schaub, Rodgers, Ryan, Flaaco, Romo, Big Ben all could be argued better than him). He can’t stay healthy. He’d have to learn a new offense.
Alex Smith has momentum…see what the kid could do. Don’t cut him down before he has a shot with some talent around him.
FTA: Witha ll the guys you named,did it ever occur to you the same holds true for Smith and Carr?
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I know Smith and (especially) Carr aren't top 10 or 12...
However, I think Smith gives us the best chance to win. Carr’s a back-up and nothing more. McNabb’s numbers are kinda set….80-90 QB rating, 60% complete, 2:1 TD:INT ratio, 12 or so starts. That’s why I don’t invest in McNabb and go with Smith. Smith still has room for growth.
Schaub has had one healthy season his whole career and you put him up there and call McNabb out on injury issues, Child Please.
Eli? Ryan? Flaaco? Do you can’t be serious, Romo, lol you are being obnoxious.
-Black Sand Ninja
you ever think maybe the people that don't want Alex Smith are just being racist too?
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Mar 26, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
i dislike alex smith because he is white.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
sweet I might turn that into a sig
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
FTA: It seems to me that's all Smith has given the Niner fans since he was drafted....a reason to pray!
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I was talking about McNabb's talent.
Not SMith’s. Smith needs time Donovan doesn’t. Donovan is better than Smith, but i don’t want him. But to say that a player with a decent half of a season is the best option, that’s unrealistic.
-Black Sand Ninja
didn't even read past the headline and not going to
no it’s not a race issue
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
I concur.
More age than anything, and Smith has given us enough of a sample size to give him another season.
-Black Sand Ninja
exactly
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
FTA: And what of the "sample size" has McNabb shown? I rest my case.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
could you rest your case again
in English this time.
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
you didn't read past the headline
but felt the need to comment on this twice?
right. i’m sure you didn’t read past the headline.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
I didnt read his whole comment
but I read the comments following it. See how that works?
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
FTA: Hardball!
Didn’t want to go here, but, seeing as how you guys still don’t get it….here’s the high, hard one.
These stats only cover the last 5 years (seeing as how that’s how long Smith has been in the league.) And, just to be fair, I’ll include the first 6 years of Carr’s career. Since those were the years he started.
McNabb:
comp atts yds TD’s INT’s
1,294 2,160 15,947 98 43
Smith:
comp atts yds TD’s INT’s
660 1172 7,029 37 43
Carr:
comp atts yds TD’s INT’s
1,243 2,070 13,391 59 65
Now then, aside from the same number of interceptions, as you can plain see: there is a continental divide in talent between Alex Smith and Donovan McNabb.And in the end, this league is all about winning! Winning means going to the Pro Bowl, something I think Smith may have done only once….as an alternate. Same for Carr. Winning means Division Championships. % appearances in a row, and 1 Victory for McNabb. 0 For Smith and Carr. And yes, McNabb did have T.O. for that 1 season, and did well. However, look at all the seasons he did well before and sincec T.O.‘s appearance. And he did it with stand out wide receivers like, Hank Baskett, James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell, and L.J. Smith. Ohhhhhhh….. a lineup that scares my nephew’s Pop Warner team.
Not only that, but, he has done all these things for a city and organization that has shown him 0 respect and appreciation. Did he lash out at the HC on the sideline or in the media??
Did he cream the organization, even after he asked year in and year out to get him some receivers? Did he sit on the sidelines and pout like a little punk on the sidelines? the answer to all these questions is a big, fat, NO! Instead of creating a ruckus, he took the dignified route and helped the team along without batting an eye. A man of true charector if I’ve ever seen one.
Smith on the other hand, has as I stated before, been beaten out by 2 different journymen QB’s. Been asked to take a paycut, and shown only marginal growth as a QB. And don’t give me this “he’s had umpteen different OC’s garbage.” Any QB worth his salt will have shown vast improvement from year to year with different OC’s, due to the fact that yes, different OC’s may play different systems, but, the skill set pretty much remains the same.
If you want to got the injury route, I have you there to. Yes, Donovan has had a few injuries in his time, but then again, so has Alex Smith. To his THROWING SHOULDER I might add.
It seems to me that most all of you that want Smith to remain the starter are only HOPING that he will improve. There’s no guarentee that this will happen. It hasn’t happened in the last 5 years, so what makes you think it will all miraculously turn around in 2010? With McNabb, yes, he has reached his plataeu for skills. However, those skills are vastly better than Smith’s at this point as his numbers clearly prove.
Now for the age arguement. Aren’t you all the same guys who were screaming for Kurt Warner to sign with the Niners after his Super Bowl year? I think so. And Kurt is much older than McNabb, and twice as injury prone. and no where near as mobile.
As for his contract….please. If this team is dumb enough to give a 3 year deal to a 1st rd bust who has done nothing in the way of proving he can lead a 2 yr old to the bathroom, much less an NFL franchise that is in desperate need of a Franchise Qb, then I say he’s well worth it.I guarentee, if McNabb is given the same contract, he will perform 10x’s better than Carr. By the way….where exactly do you point to in Carr’s career that says hes even worth being on the team? I sure can’t think of anything.
Oh, and fianlly, for the record….All that is required for the team that wants McNabb is a pick comperable to a 2nd rd’er. Even If we did that, we would still leave us with 8 picks overall in order to obtain his services. AND THAT’S NOT EVEN SCRATCHING OUR 2 1ST RD PICKS!
In a lot of the posts I’ve seen so far on NN, many of you are calling for us to give up 1 of our first rd picks and others in order to fix the team with a bunch of rookies that may not even pan out. With the expendature of only a 2nd rd pick, we get a perennial Pro Bowl QB, something this franchise hasn’t had since Jeff Garcia left. A guy who has shown time and again he can get the job done even when the running game breaks down.
In closing I say to all you McNabb ahters, good luck. Because if you are satisfied with a team that is mediocre, then you will have accomplished your goal at the end of the season. You will cheer for a bottom dwelling team with piss poor players and a fat wallet. And that is what you will deserve!
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
And out of the last 5 years...he's only played a full season ONCE
He’s not worth giving up a 1st rounder or multiple picks for (The Eagles want a top 42 pick, not the 49th pick) and he doesn’t deserve a long term contract. He’s definitely on the downside of his career.
Last season, Alex Smith put up comparable numbers to him. So since we’re staying with the same offensive coordinator, going to add more talent to the offense, having him at the starter for OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, pre-season….the logic is he can build on experience and playing time and improve his numbers. Given that the franchise invested a lot in Alex, he deserves a fair chance to succeed. He provides us with the best chance to win.
Smith is younger ans how any full seasons has he played?
Smith can’t even make all of the throws that McNabb can, and we did bring in Carr, and he ill compete for the job, and that is embarrassing.
-Black Sand Ninja
Carr Is Not Goint To Compete For The Starting Job
He was brought in solely as an upgrade over Shaun Hill at the backup position, no matter what you may believe. If the 49ers even begin pre-season with a QB position, i will be incredibly upset!! Alex Smith deserves to start and we should end this discussion right now!!!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 27, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Never said that he doesn't deserve the start, but don't be surprised if he doesn't finish.
I hope he does, because that means we will have a playoff berth. Don’t go poppin’ off at the lip talking about what needs to be ended and when, you could have easily chose to not respond. The discussion is in continuance because some of us fail to realize that McNabb would do better with this team, but it doesn’t make sense for us to invest in the move.
-Black Sand Ninja
McNabb would be a step backwards. He doesn’t even know the offense. There’s other reason’s aside from financially that would not make sense.
And the only way Carr gets in is if the season is down the toilet already. And that would be Smith’s cue to exit putting us in a position to draft a QB 1st or 2nd round next year.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
FTA: Drew, Do you NOT see the forest for the trees!?
How is McNabb a step backward? Do you HONESTLY believe Carr is a step forward? OK…I grant you that McNabb DOESN’T know the offense off the bat…but, then again, neither does Carr. And to answer all those folks who say that Carr is only a “backup”….Think about the name. Alex has a history of injury. Who do you think will take over if tha happens? Are you secure in having David Carr at the helm? This is exactly why we need a PROVEN VETERAN like Donovan. To answer all those critics that think Donovan will want a long term deal……have you been following the same NFL I have? When it comes to contracts in the NFL, the ONLY guarenteed money a player sees, is the signing bonus. A team can void the rest of a contract if they want too. That’s one of the major gripes that the Players association has with the current CBA that has almost expired. We could then sign McNabb to a feasable 3 yr deal, 1 yr guarenteed, and void the remaining 2. As things stand right now, we could easily get out of the contract as there may be a NFL lockout in 2011.
Besides Drew…..do you think as a true Niner fan, you can handle another season “down the toilet?” I know I can’t. Especially when this year’s crop of FA’s has been the deepest since the initial year of FA.
Let’s take a stab at this other arguement about Alex and McNabb’s stats being comparable. Have you chance to thought that IF that arguement helds true, then getting McNabb would not hinder the team as a whole in any way?
These are the things I call for as tired arguments against getting McNabb. They didn’t hold water then and they don’t hold any now. Maybe all of you McNabb haters should rethink what you hold valuable in your stance as fans. Undying faith to a 1st rd draft pick in the hopes that he hasn’t set your team back for the last 6 years? Or moving forward with a rehashed veteran, whose body of work needs only another “TRUE” chance to show the world….he’s worth every peny to get to the final destination. The Super Bowl.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
eagles fans
i swear they are the lowest of the low. i’ve read so many comments from eagles fans who’ve had nothing positive to say about mcnabb. such a low class bunch of sewage eagles fans are. they give him no appreciation, no thanks. the eagles organization treats him right but the fans treat him like a rat off the street. i’d never really speak ill of jeff garcia, but mcnabb has done way more for philly than garcia has done for frisco.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
so true
mcnabb has done so much for that city, they should appreciate him for all he’s given, 5(correct me if i am wrong) NFC championships, being in the playoffs basically every year he’s been the starter, he doesn’t suck. It takes a team effort to reach and win the Super Bowl
Hit like Berry, Score like Jerry.
(I pray they do)
I agree with the poster above, trade for McNabb and groom Nate Davis. Davis has all the tools, is cool in the pocket and with that size he could be an (on-field) Roethlesberger. Smith has had ample time to show something and he simply does not have the field presence to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. You need a franchise QB to compete for a superbowl every year.
McNabb is a stud. He throws a beautiful deep ball and has been to something like 6 pro bowls while only having decent receivers for 3 of his 10 or so years (the last 2 years and the one with TO). He may get injured but if he comes to SF the niners should dominate the NFC west. Do you know what that means?…. HOME PLAYOFF GAME and a chance at the Superbowl.
Even for a first round pick (we have two after all) this would be a dream. Please pull the trigger Niner suits. Don’t listen to these other people, McNabb makes us an NFC Champ contender next year.
Tinman
WOW
you saying that Nate Davis has pocket presence due to meaningless games against scrubs? That is crazy! Now i do think that Davis has an incredibly bright future ahead of him and may indeed be the QB of the future, if not for the 49ers, for another team.
That said, Alex Smith showed it on the field against top level talent in real games during the regular season, that is invaluable. Right now the 49ers have the perfect QB situation overall, a starting QB that will continue to impress heading into the 2010 season, a back up more than capable of winning when called into action and a project 3rd string QB that has loads of potential.
If the 49ers had not signed David Carr i would possibly be interested in Mcnabb, he has 3 years left at best and by that time Alex Smith will be in his prime (or) Nate Davis will be ready, but we signed David Carr so that ends any discussion of adding Mcnabb
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 27, 2010 9:26 PM PDT reply actions
Alex Smith tanked it against top level teams.
Now if that was part of the argument for Davis then I understand, it’s hard to keep up with this McNabb stuff. I can’t believe you would say you’d be interested in McNabb without Carr on the roster, it just isn’t feasible because what we would have ot give up concerning the draft to attain him. They want a pick from 1 to 42 and that would require one of our first which I wouldn’t part with and that would be a better reason to end the discussion, he is a lot better than what we have on the roster.
-Black Sand Ninja
yup
thats my main reason against taking mcnab. we aint giving up no draft picks this year pimpin!
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
by redrum21225 on Mar 27, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for not listing specific teams and copping out. Because the defense was responsible for a lot of losses to those “top level teams”. Not Alex.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
Top level defenses??
I would say Indy and Philly and Alex played poorly, I give him the benefit of the doubt vs Indy since it was his first start in years. Philly was well into the season and he posted a whopping 3 INT’s. I don’t hold any player completely responsible for losses, but the defense cannot be the blame for the offense not scoring points. Especially after the Pats tyrade, we have a good defense that held teams scoring down and an offense that couldn’t produce, and you have said that yourself. As for Mr Smith and the top teams he blew it against, there were only two, we didn’t have a difficult schedule down the stretch. The Seattle game was blown by the ST’s and Gore and they aren’t that good. Other than that we didn’t play anyone tough, Smith missed our most difficult competitiors. Top level teams have a good defense, he faced two, IMO.
Alex Smith is a product of poor coaching and poor management -Black Sand Ninja
Sorry Drew I forgot GB, and in that game, the WR's and Alex whiffed horribly.
Alex Smith is a product of poor coaching and poor management -Black Sand Ninja
Defense lost the game in Indy and Philly scored 27 points on us. In the Philly game, the Oline mights as well have not even been playing. Smith was sacked 3 times, hit 12, and hurried just about every single play. And you didn’t even count Tennesse and Green Bay in which Smith almost was able to come back after our defense gave up a truck load of points already.
I don’t blame Smith for any of the losses to “top level defenses”.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
I AM Sure
we could get away with trading our second for Mcnabb if no better offers came across. David Carr was not brought in to be the starting QB, Mcnabb would be. I am not saying that i agree with the 49ers in terms of signing Carr rather than acquiring Mcnabb. What i am saying is that now that we have 3 QB’s under contract, it makes no sense to even talk about Mcnabb.
Tanking against top level defenses? Please do explain!! Alex Smith didn’t even play against top level defense in 2009, i was talking about top level talent, in terms of playing against other teams #1 defenses. Smith had a rating of 97against Jacksonville and nearly 90 against Green Bay, now i do understand his horrible performance against Philadelphia, but you cannot say he tanked it against top level defenses when he really never played against them, and when he did, depending on your definition of top level defenses, he was pretty good
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 27, 2010 10:12 PM PDT reply actions
Jacksonville was not a top level defense, Green Bay was until the injuries of their DB's.
Smith picked it up in the GB game “after” their corner went down. Versus Philly, which was the only defense we faced worth calling good you already know, obviously. Versus GB 16/33 227 yds 3td’s and 1int with a rating of 88, and that rating is only at that point because of how the game was finished, it had nothing to do with the entire game. He had a good second half. He has yet to produce for a full game. A rating of 88 with a 48 pct completion rate, which is not entirely his fault their were dropped passes. i hope Alex does well next season and i don’t want McNabb with or without Carr. The post is what if we acquired Mcnabb, not we should.
So in regards to the post Mcnabb, IMO, can take this team further even if he had to learn a new system. he can make all the throws and Smith hasn’t shown he can’t and that is a FACT. Smith can be better though and the first time in the same sytem or consecutive seasons will be good for him. I hope the work he said he needs on his mechanics, fixes his inaccuracies and enables him to be more consitent. I pray he can make sideline throws downfield and have better rapport with his WR’s.
-Black Sand Ninja
Throw a ball at a receivers knees, expect him to catch itno
Not to bounce it in the air for a pic, lets look at that for a second. What about the drop passes, in which the 49ers were 4th in the league?
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 27, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Half
of Smith’s pics came directly from dropped passes
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 27, 2010 11:39 PM PDT reply actions
Half?
Doesn’t that say something?
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 28, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
half his interceptions were not the fault of the WR, neither was ALL of the tipped passes.
He uses absolutely no touch. he made some touches passes later in the season, but not all of the drops were on the WR’s. Not all of the INT’s were on Alex, but half, is pushing it.
-Black Sand Ninja
Okay If Half Of His Interceptions Were Not The Fault Of His WR's Then
doesn’t this mean that half were? 12 pics compared to 18 TD’s, so this means that 6 were the WR’s fault, i don’t think i am going out on a ledge by saying that. I wish there were stats to back me up, but i know what i saw
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 28, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
One
cannot say that Alex Smith didn’t continue to improve as the season went on and by years end was a real good QB
The Epic Draft trade 13th and 4th round pick to the Chargers for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
1. RB- CJ Spiller 1. DE- Brandon Graham 2.OT- Charles Brown 2. FS- Nate Allen
3. WR- Damaryious Thomas 3. CB- Perrish Cox 5. LB- Reggie Carter
6. G- Brandon Carter 6. WR- Taylor Price 7. D'Anthony Smith
(What the heck name Singletary GM!!!)
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 28, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
A real good QB based off of play vs Detroit and STL?
Laughable. The only tough game down the stretch was Philly and he did horribly. There was obvious improvement, I have said that, but calling him a good QB based of last season, I leave that to homers, and you and Drew, I guess, I for one don’t agree, but I have hope and fear in regards to Alex and the 49ers next season.
Alex Smith is a product of poor coaching and poor management -Black Sand Ninja
You are just as much a homer as anyone else here. You just hate Alex Smith for whatever reason. You even fight stats which are basically a measurable of how good one was. You have zero optimism for Smith which I think is disgraceful. To sum it up with “I have hope and fear” doesn’t cover up your true feelings which are about as transparent and as easy to pop as a bubble.
Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
Nah you obviously have me figured wrong, again with the know it all tale.
Anyways, you have nothing in any post I have made to indicate, that I hate Alex Smith, that’s your ridiculous speculation for whatever reason. Yeah I am not as optimistic about Smith as you are, and as usual you are ready to crucify anyone who doesn’t fall 100 percent in your line of thinking. Calling him a good QB is not realistic to me, has it occurred to you that we all have our own opinions?
This thread was about McNabb, not Smith. if I had to choose 1 Qb for one season between these two, I’d take McNabb. In regards to the 49ers going forward with Smith, I have fear due to his lack of touch on throws when neccessary, he has given reason for optimism, but not enough for me. You grade him as you feel and I will do the same, but don’t put wirds in my mouth or thoughts in my head, cuz it makes you look like an A(site decorum)hole. I like what you bring to this site Drew, but when it comes to you getting all personal and female acting, is when I have issues.
I hate Soapoga and all of the DL except SMith, Franklin, and that’s about it. i hate A Snyder, Baas, and all of our WR’s except Hill, Morgan, and Crabtree. Again I hope Smith does well, but I am worried he won’t. if he can’t read from under the center quickly and avoid the rush and gain pocket prescence and improve his accuracy, he is not gonna be our QB of the future, and that’s a lot for a young QB, that has never had a line and just recently added talent and is only in the second year of his offense. That’s why I am not as optimistic as you, we see things differently. I can accept it why can’t you. you cannot change peoples opinions on here, it is what it is.
Alex Smith is a product of poor coaching and poor management -Black Sand Ninja
I dont have to put words in your mouth, your hatred and dislike for Smith is painted all over these boards.
And for all your name calling (female) and (A-site decorum)… you need to cut it out with that crap. Seriously, you are getting as bad as jayjonna was a couple weeks ago… and not just speaking in terms of this. I have seen your wise mouth in other conversations as well. If you wanna talk football, fine, so be it. But when you start in with the crap you just said above, I really have to hold back from going off on you.
I don’t try and change peoples opinions, but if someone’s eyes are shut, I am going to try and get them to see the light unless they are completely stubborn. I have had productive conversations with several people on these boards… others that are just as opinionated (like yourself), not so much.
But if you’re going to attack me and disrespect me like you did above… I have nothing to say to you from this point forward.
One Christmas, I got a battery with a note saying, "toy not included".
both of you need to settle down
Let’s just end this back and forth now because I don’t see anything positive coming from this particular dialogue.
by David Fucillo on Mar 28, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
McNabb is in the last year of his contract.
We’d have to give up, according to the Eagles, nothing less then a top 42 pick. All of our picks over #42 overall are the two 1st rounders. I don’t want to give up potential drafting two immediate impact players who could be on this team the next 5-10 years.
Also we’d have to sign McNabb to a new, big contract. Thus taking money away from resigning Willis, VD, Goldson, possibly Franklin, and the 1st rounders. We’d also run into the risk that McNabb, if traded to us, wouldn’t even want to resign with us the next year. We would have given up at least a 1st round pick, maybe more, for one year of service from a QB who’s marginally better then what we already have on the roster.
And all we have to do is look around our division and see that the Niners are in a prime position to take it, with or without Alex Smith being our QB.
Fans opinions of this team will change after the draft. We are only helping Alex get better if we draft any O-Linemen and possibly some more offensive weapons. Also possibly signing Chester Pitts would help this O-Line tremendously. And don’t forget the defense. It could potential be a Top 5 defense this year, and having an amazing defense can help Alex as well. Lessen the ramifications of his mistakes that he will make during games.
I have the utmost confidence in Alex to be our QB this year and lead the Niners back to where they belong, the playoffs. And if Alex doesn’t make it, we aren’t in too much trouble. Nate Davis could possibly step up or we could just draft a QB next year.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Also surviving member of the underwhelming Jed York Conference Thread 3/22/2010
Eat Shitake!
Are you serious?
And all we have to do is look around our division and see that the Niners are in a prime position to take it, with or without Alex Smith being our QB.
You realize this response makes no sense right? You are right that the Niners iare in a position to take over the NFC West. But, have you taken a look at what’s on our roster after Smith? Hill is gone, Davis is still a rookie….and Carr is a never was!
Therefore…..if Smith doesn’t pan out (as sooooo many on this site are hedgine their bets that he will….) we are in TROUBLE! How there are so many on this site who don’t see the gain in getting a proven vet like McNabb is beyond me.
Looking around, we still have Hasselbeck with a revamped wideout corp in Seattle, in Arizona, we have Leinart who still is in possesion of 1 of the tope receiveing corps in the league. And St. Louis is in position to draft one of the better QB’s coming out of the draft this year. Not to mention the fact that St.Louis still has a terrific running game. The D can’t be expected to win all our games. The O has to step up. And I simply don’t see Smith maturing enough in 1 year to get us over the hump into the playoffs. He has done nothing to improve my thought on this as the only games he seemed to play well in were against really weak teams like Detroit and St. Louis.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
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