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49ers Comparison: Scot McCloughan vs Trent Baalke

Fooch's Note: I like the way supraman has organized this. There are numerous ways to attempt to compare the Scot McCloughan and Trent Baalke. Using their press quotations is a unique way of doing this (I made a slight adjustment to the title).

Opinions on QB position:

Baalke

Q: On the 49ers quarterback situation:
TB: I think we're very comfortable with where we're at at this point. I think coach Singletary has made that clear.

Q: Because you're happy with the QBs you have?
TB: I think right now. ... The way you have to look at this, we're very happy with the situation we're in right now. I think you're always looking and evaluation players throughout the course of the year. You're always looking at ways to better your team at any position. Right now we're very comfortable with where we're at, and that's where we're going to leave it."

Q: If you get quarterback play, is this roster a few draft picks away from being a playoff team?
TB: Most definitely. You look at the quarterback play, I'm excited for the opportunity to see Alex in a situation where he has the same offensive coordinator going into a second season with the same system, the same playcaller and even more talent around him. So do I think this roster is in position to make a playoff run? Most definitely. Do we need to add some pieces to the puzzle? Most definitely, but we're going to be able to do that. That's what the draft is for.

McCloughan

Q: People are too hard on Alex Smith; don’t you think that two years in the same system are going to be huge for him? Thank You. -David Wall
A: From the get go I’ve always liked Alex as a player and as a person. I think with him having the same terminology, the same offensive scheme of plays, he won’t start over. He’ll pick up where he left off and be a better player next year and I’m very excited about it.


Further comparisons after the jump...

Star-divide

Drafting styles/Philosophies:

Baalke

Q: On possible changes to the 49ers' draft board:
TB: I think first and foremost it goes back to your first question, did Scot and I share similar beliefs? The answer to that was, yes. Scot is a very good evaluator of talent. A lot of the work we did on this board, we did together. Obviously at that point in time, he was the point man. So where the board is at this stage - 85 to 90 percent set going - a lot of that is not going to change. Now are there going to be a few subtle changes, yes, there will be. But there would be the same changes probably that would have happened whether he was here or not. Because you still have the coaches that have to weigh in on this. You still have a lot more information that we're gathering through pro days to put into this. So there are going to be some changes. And there will be some changes that maybe Scot wouldn't have made, but it's going to be minimal.

Q: What's your idea of the best player available?
TB: I think there's two ways to look at the board. Do you set your board up based on need or do you set your board up based on value. We're a value-based team. Obviously we look at needs but we want the board to reflect the best players down. The board is going to reflect their value as a player, OK? Then we'll address the needs. You obviously want to take the best available player so if there's a clear difference between two players, we're going to take the best available player. It's not always necessarily going to be at the need position. When two players are very similar in ability and they're at two different positions, that's when you can look and say, 'You know what? They're both very similar, let's address the need.' That way, you're always adding good football players to the roster.

Q: On his philosophy vs. McCloughan's:
TB: I think Scot and I share a very similar philosophy. I think the big thing is - size is important, intelligence is important, competitiveness is important. The intangibles, what they bring to the locker room. All those things are important and Scot and I both shared those beliefs. And I think it stems not only from the personnel side but the coaching staff believes the same thing. And as an organization, that's what's important, that we're all on the same page. With that said, there are exceptions in this business. There are guys that don't meet the height, weight, speed standards, that come in and can be pretty good football players. And I think you've got to evaluate those guys on a case-by-case basis. And when you make a decision to draft or being in a free agent or any type of player as an exception, everyone just has to be on the same page as to exactly what you're dealing with.

Q: On drafting so-called "exceptions":
TB: Certainly I do. And I think the people in this business that have had that same philosophy and said the same thing that you just said about staying away from exceptions because you'd have a team of exceptions ... If you went back and studied their rosters, you would find out that along the way somewhere they had made an exception. So I don't think it's a matter of whether you make one. I think you have to be very calculated when and if you do make one.




McCloughan

In years past the 49ers have stuck with the common phrase, "We will take the best player available." Are there any plans to focus more on a team need versus the best player available? -Aaron Horne
A: Absolutely not, best player available. You can never have enough good football players on your team. If you take the best player, you’re not living in year one, it’s living in the future as well. He’ll help you in year one, but he’ll also help you year two and on.
Q: Who has given you the best draft advice?
A: My father, of course, I've been around him my entire life. And Ron Wolf was very instrumental, and Ted Thompson, who's coming up here in a little bit, in Green Bay. I learned a lot from all of them. And again, never lose sight of a good football player. It's not just the production and the tape and all that but the person himself - the character, the passion, the intelligence. Life's short in this business. And if you have a vision, stick with it. And if you go wrong, at least you go wrong with your own vision. You're not flip-flopping back and forth each year. With our team right now in San Francisco, it's a great group of guys, coaches and players. We're taking steps, little steps, but we're going in the right direction. So I'm excited about this year and I'm excited about coming years to see which way this team goes.
Q: Hi Scot. When you consider drafting a player, how much depends on the player's talent and how much depends on their interview? Thanks. -Tyler Hanley
A: I would say the talent level for a player is probably 60 percent, the person who he is, is probably 40 percent. The person makes a player from good to great.


Drafting specifics

Baalke

Running Backs

Q: Running back, do you look for a Gore lookalike or someone who does different things?
TB: I think if you look at the league right now, it's certainly gone to a two-pronged attack, guys that complement each other, different styles that bring a little different element of preparation to the defense's standpoint. You're always looking for something a little bit different. But if you look at the backfields that are really starting to have a lot of success, it's not only the two, it's the three-back system that's becoming even a little bit more ... you look at Dallas' situation with a bell-cow back and another guy that can come in and still have some bell-cow ability in Tashard Choice, a little bit different style than Marion Barber, and then you throw Felix Jones in the mix, of course completely different. They all different sets of skills but they're all high level guys and it's very difficult to defense. I think the more you have complementary styles, the harder it is to prepare for.

Q: Do you have a hard-and-fast rule about how tall and big guys have to be? Or, are smaller guys, like a Jahvid Best, on the board for you?
TB: Most definitely, and the funny thing, they were on the board for Scot as well. We have a very similar philosophy. There's that exception rule that we already talked about but the philosophy here hasn't changed. There is no 6-foot policy in this building in terms of players, and you'll find guys like Frank Gore on this team, those aren't 6-foot guys. There's enough guys on this team, there's been a cutoff at the corner position in terms of height that we look at, and we'll continue to look at that. In terms of being for every position a cutoff, that's never been the case.

Offensive Linemen

Q: Do you draft a right tackle, or always left at a premium pick and go from there?
TB: Would you spend a high pick on a right tackle versus a left tackle? We're never going to try to not put good football players on this team regardless of the position. Obviously, the left tackle carries a little more weight in terms of value in the NFL. From that perspective, you're going to be a lot more comfortable if you do pick a tackle high, it's going to be a tackle that can fit in on the left side of the line.

Q: Scot said Joe Staley could go back to right side if you take a left tackle like Oher, still the deal?
TB: I think that having a guy like Joe Staley and the value that he has is his ability to play the right and the left. And when you have that flexibility it really creates more options for you on draft day. It doesn't lock you into having to draft a left tackle or having to draft a right tackle. What we need to do is improve the offensive line and it's an area we're going to address. We do have some good football players on this offensive line.

McCloughan

 Running Backs

Q: Do you plan on taking a running back with a different style than Frank Gore?
A: We could. Yeah, we could. Again, I think it comes down to what will be his role with us. Is there any special teams value involved in it? Again, where he's taken in the draft is going to say what the role is going to be and how soon we think he can help us. Gore is a really good football player for us and we expect him to be a good football player for us for the next couple of years. But we also understand that we can't count on him forever. And if you start limiting his carries now somewhat - he doesn't like it - but if we protect him. What our vision is to play 16 (games) and get to the playoffs. We need him to be healthy for him to that.

   Offensive Linemen

Q: What are the most important attributes you and your scouts look for when evaluating an offensive lineman? -Thomas Betz A: Size and arm length, toughness, guys who compete, who want to finish the play. When the play starts you want a guy who has foot quickness, he’s able to extend, lock-out, block a guy coming off the edge and he’s able to sustain the block.

Q: What are your thoughts on the offensive line class?

A: I think every draft takes on an identity. I'm not saying this is a real deep year on the offensive line but there are good football players out there. The one thing about the offensive line nowadays is the game's changed a lot in college with the spread offense. The big power guys, the guys that come off (the line) and drive block and all that - you don't see that any more in college. You see more finesse, more pass protection. From our standpoint, the o-line is always going to be important. When you're carrying the 53, it's the deepest position numbers-wise. You're always looking in the draft, first round through seventh round, for guys who can come in and play and play a role for you.

  Misc.

Q: How do you evaluate defensive ends who become linebackers in 3-4 defenses?
A: Natural pass rush. The thing about is very seldom do you see them standing and come out of the two-point stance. I think it's important here, you see a lot of the guys in the two-point stance. Natural instincts and being able to go forward. I don't think you're ever going to be able to sit there and say, 'Can he drop, how's he going to be in coverage?' I think the first and foremost thing is, can he get to the quarterback and go from there.

Q: Do you feel the need to add fast corners with so many prolific passers in the NFL?
A: Again, each team has their own philosophy in what they believe. We believe in bigger corners. In our division, we went 5-1 last year, I think we set ourselves up pretty well to match up against guys in our division. Also, you've got to realize the receivers coming in have somewhat running back vision and instincts because they the ball and have so many opportunities to make plays in college. But again, I'll never lose sight of this and maybe I'm a dinosaur in this, but it's a big man's game. From the standpoint of holding up through a season durability-wise. But also in the playoffs. You have to have some size and some power and strength I think to be a contender year in and year out.

Q: How do you evaluate spread quarterbacks?
A: Every quarterback is different. What you're seeing nowadays is a trend that's not going away. Even high schools are going to spread offenses. If you're going to take a spread quarterback, know that that's what he's used to and the reason you're drafting him is that he's been a good football player. Don't completely change what he's done in the past that's made him successful. It doesn't mean he has to be in the shotgun every snap and run the routes he ran in college, but you've got to find a balance between the two - being in the shotgun, being in three and four-receiver sets. Most of the teams - I know it's a little bit different with New Orleans - need to be able to run the football in the fourth quarter, especially late in the year and especially on the east coast in open-air stadiums. You've got to be able to play power football still.

 

Just had to organize everything before I began formulating. My opinions will either come in another FanPost or the comments below.

 

Sources

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2010/03/baalke-on-every.html

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-1/McCloughan%E2%80%99s-Mailbag-%E2%80%93-March-12/56a1135c-8e9f-481c-be2b-a5dd4ad295fb

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Scot-McCloughan-Combine-QA-/a776efc3-6f90-49d5-b58e-4fe13e6077d4

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How confident are you in Trent Baalke?(1-5) 5 equaling absolute confidence.
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169 votes
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Great post Supraman

I’d give Trent no more than three for now only because there’s not a whole lot we know about him. But I believe in time he could become a better general manager than McC because he seems to have more flexibility even though Trent claims their philosophies on the draft are relatively similar. But I do like the fact that Trent seems to be open to “the bigger picture” and in the long run it could make for more significant improvement than we’ve been seeing as of late.

by Mangoman on Mar 26, 2010 9:14 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Thank you and Thanks Fooch for giving this post more attention.

If I anticipated this was going on the front page I would have broken it down a bit more. Giving the RB draft specific notes their own section, along with the QBs and OT comments.(is it too late for that?)

 My vote was 3 also. I like though how Baalke is going for value and not BPA as McCloughan did.

When Baalke is talking about exemptions, I get the impression that he’s a bit more loose with exemptions than McC was.

Expectations on drafting Spiller look really good as of now. Unfortunately.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 5.Andrew Quarless 6.Mike Kafka 6.Chris Scott 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 26, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

he Baalke pretty much confirms we’re drafting an OL this year

What we need to do is improve the offensive line and it’s an area we’re going to address.

in case you’re wondering what about FA, Taalke believes in building a team through the draft..

TB: Most definitely. You look at the quarterback play, I’m excited for the opportunity to see Alex in a situation where he has the same offensive coordinator going into a second season with the same system, the same playcaller and even more talent around him. So do I think this roster is in position to make a playoff run? Most definitely. Do we need to add some pieces to the puzzle? Most definitely, but we’re going to be able to do that. That’s what the draft is for.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 5.Andrew Quarless 6.Mike Kafka 6.Chris Scott 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 26, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Building through the draft was McC's philosophy too

and I’m ok with that. The Niners generally haven’t been very active in FA over the past several years, and I like what we’ve done so far.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 26, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

and

When it comes to the polarizing Alex Smith….
Baalke – Says he’s comfortable. Then Barrows follows up with,

Q: Because you’re happy with the QBs you have?

Trent Baalke responds,
TB: I think right now. … The way you have to look at this, we’re very happy with the situation we’re in right now.

Completely dodges the question. Doesn’t mention the QB situation but rather the situation that the 49ers are the favorite to win the weak weak west.

McC – I always believed McC was too content with Alex Smith as our QB. Yes he deserving of his starting role next year, but it’s almost by default. He signs David Carr, so that he can either release or trade Shaun Hill. The previous year, signed Damon Haurd and drafted Nate Davis in the 5th, giving the 49ers only two realistic options at the QB position, Hill and Smith.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 5.Andrew Quarless 6.Mike Kafka 6.Chris Scott 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 26, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Niners management is taking a wait and see approach with Smith

We did pretty good with him at the helm this year. We strengthen the O-line and add a couple of pieces on defense and we should do better even if Smith doesn’t improve next year. If he does have good improvement, great we’ve got a guy that can be the main guy going forward. If he doesn’t then we can cut bait on him since it’s the last year of his contract and get a guy in the draft to be the QBOTF.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 26, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jimmy Raye is my biggest fear in 2010

He’s too predictable. Our division is going to catch on sooner or later. The defense can and should be dominant next year, as you said if we add a couple of pieces. But we may need to rely heavily on the defense because Smith isn’t exactly stellar in close games.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 5.Andrew Quarless 6.Mike Kafka 6.Chris Scott 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 26, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

Most of our close games we’ve had to come from behind on a huge deficit. Smith excels in the 2 minute drill which is what you want to have when you’re behind in a late game. However you don’t want to use that as your primary offense, which goes back to Raye.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with the offense next year

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 26, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought they caught on Week 1 of the 2009 season

When Gore rushed for like 30 yards on 25 carries.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 26, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raye

He got a lot of crap because if his calls in several games with bad outcomes.

On the other hand I think there were several games were he was completely unpredictable, or completely doing something the fans wanted (Smith passing tons, or excellent balance of running and passing towards the end of the season.)

I think going into a 2nd season, combined together with A.Smith going into 2nd season with same coordinator and relatively consistent squad, there’s a potential with an amplified success for the offense to break out for a huge year. Add on Crabtree progressing 1 season and the offensive line improving a bit.

by fortyniners on Mar 27, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

This year they will get to design the game for Alex Smith and Davis, Crabtree and Gore

It is more, I think, that last year was a learning situation for everyone and now they know what they have and can make it work smoother, better.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

What? With Peyton Manning at QB, nothing is predictable. And if by predictable you mean by passing a lot… well this is a pass happy and QB, WR driven league. That’s a fact and you are starting to hear it more and more from all the successful coaches.

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 28, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

*pass happ league

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 28, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ughh… cant type today.

*happy

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 28, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's what I agreed to, passing a lot.

Alex Smith is a product of poor coaching and poor management -Black Sand Ninja

by rlott#42 on Mar 28, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing the Colts run is surprising, except for a half back option pass run against the 49ers defense. Anyways, my point is it’s not what that offense calls, it’s how that offense executes.

by bignerd on Mar 28, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because they pass primarily doesn’t equal they’re predictable. At least not in my opinion. Manning audibles to different stuff on the line a ton. He see’s a hole in the defensive package, and exploits it by changing the play. I don’t understand how that is “predictable”.

One Christmas, I got a battery with a note saying, "toy not included".

by Drew Kerr on Mar 28, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh if he only had the time !!!

Very good analysis! I totally agree about Smith. He has proven if he is given time he can make the throws downfield. But rarely had he been given that kind of time because of the sieve of an offensive line he has had in front of him his whole career. You need time to let the deep patterns develop! If he had a line he could rely on, I am certain his numbers would improve dramatically. Also a good offensive line would open bigger holes for Gore to rip through. It all starts in the trenches. And the talent available in the draft at offensive line is pretty good. It looks like the Niners can get a very good offensive lineman at 13 or 17. Lets hope one of the top 3 linemen falls down to the Niners. That would be a godsend!!

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Mar 26, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I believe that should Smith not work out, which I hope he does, that we get a 1st round QB next year. idk about you guys, but if that happens then i’m all aboard the Ryan Mallet or Ricky Stanzi bandwagon. Just because Locker will be gone by then :(

"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart

by Camraman926 on Mar 26, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you 4 addressing that 2 i was thinking the same thing he almost sounded like

a politician where he gives you just enough but not being all the way sold on alex smith and personally ‘’’ i hate that ‘’’ and i really don’t care 4 people like that .So 4 me i’m really anticapating whats going 2 happen on draft day and i’m making sure my throat is clear because if he grabs somebody i don’t like i’m booing the (bleep) out of him!! Then after the draft i hope we cut ties with him i may not have been a fan of scotty mc but atleast he was a little more direct with his answers this dude you can tell he gives you just enough space in his arguments just in case he has 2 make a move on someone he can always go back 2 his answers and say ’ ive never said that we wouldn’t make a move on alex or who ever ‘’ and people like that needs 2 be in the court room we call them lawyers .Now if he makes all the right moves come draft day ’’ i will personally eat crows feet on NN ‘’ i’m not afraid admit i was wrong but 4 now i’m giving him that look where you squint your eyes at a person because you don’t really trust that person’s look until draft 2 day ’’ the jury is still out on him 4 me right now.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I gave Baalke a 3 as well.

I hope that Baalke can be as good as McC has been. We need an Offensive Lineman first and foremost. Anything else takes a back seat to Offensive line in this draft. We have glaring holes in our offensive line that need to be patched. The whole offense will play better with an offensive line that can compete and give Smith time to throw the ball. Given time, Smith has proved he can get the ball downfield. BUT he has rarely had any time at ALL! MAYBE a 3 count before he gets hit. That doesn’t give Smith time to allow the deep pattern to develop. If we can patch the OL to allow Smith TIME to throw the ball, we could see a remarkable improvement in our passing stats! 2 of our biggest weapons on offense are receivers. Crabtree and Davis will catch a lot of balls and move the chains if they are given a chance.

I believe there are 2 other very important positions the Niners need to address in this draft. While not as important as an Offensive lineman, they are still positions the Niners want to upgrade. The first is a Change of Pace Running back. Spiller is a really fast back who can give defensive coordinators headaches. The fact that he can return punts and kicks makes him very versatile an very desirable. I think if you picked up a Spiller or a Javid Best, you could get more milage out of Gore and he could have fresher legs come playoff time. Also, with a Spiller or Best, you have a receiver coming out of the backfield who has tremendous speed that can stretch the defense in ways that we can’t do now. Shift Spiller from the RB to the slot and having him run a fly pattern would create defensive mismatches for Davis and Crabtree underneath. It would open up our offense in a way we cant do now because we dont have that kind of speed on the roster.

And finally but no less important, we need to upgrade our defensive backfield. Clements has lost a step, Spencer looks good, Keith Smith is still a question mark as is Tarell Brown, and Goldson shows a lot of promise but isnt a for sure thing. If the Niners have one of the highly regarded defensive backfield rookies drop to them like a Erik Berry (not likely) or a Joe Haden (more likely), or a Earl Thomas (very likely) they would have to concider that player no matter if it is the 13th or 17th pick. The NFC West is a pass happy division. We need to have the DB’s and Pass rusher too to help defend against the pass.

Speaking of Pass Rushers, a team can NEVER have too many pass rushers. If a top flight pass rusher who plays the 3-4 dropped down to the Niners at 13, they would have to give that player serious consideration as well. A Jason PierrePaul would be a fine pick up and would increase our sack totals.

So as you can see, Baalke’s job right from the start is going to be a very difficult one. But I think that he isn’t the only one making the decisions, and there will be a team effort that includes Singeltary as well. I just hope they can continue to draft as well as they have in the past and that the Niners continue to improve the way they have in a controlled and steady progress sort of way.

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Mar 26, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright it's now been updated

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 5.Andrew Quarless 6.Mike Kafka 6.Chris Scott 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 27, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hadn't seen a lot on Baalke

I liked how you put these two next to each other.

Made me feel better about Baalke but I couldn’t give him higher than 3.

I really need to see his first draft to go higher.

by snowweasel30 on Mar 26, 2010 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I gave him a 1

Because it’s obvious he’s put a huge target on CJ Spiller’s back.

For Drew K (since I don’t know if you saw it in the fanshot):

You win.

I just get a very strong "Spiller" vibe.

I kind of feel like he’s saying: "McCloughan wouldn’t take chances on certain players, I differ from McCloughan in that regard" or "I like what Dallas has: Frank Gore = Marion Barber, Tashard choice = Glenn Coffee, C.J. Spiller = Felix Jones)

I just wanted to put this out there because I have been strongly against the Spiller to 49ers movement. And the biggest reason for that was because I was extremely confident that McCloughan wouldn’t draft Spiller…but now I have nothing.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 26, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

So you gave Baalke the lowest possible confidence

because of one pick that he might make?

We have 7 other picks in this draft.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 26, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But the 1st pick is arguably the most important

You know I’m against drafting CJ Spiller.
So it’s obvious I’m going to be against the guy who is actually going to make the selection.

If it does go down, however, I’ll cheer for CJ Spiller and hope he becomes the next Marshall Faulk.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 26, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

They may be looking at Best in the 2nd round

instead of Spiller in the first.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 26, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think that might be their best move

Get the offensive lineman they gotta have in the first round, maybe pick up a CB or Safety with the 17th pick, and get a Javid Best in the 2nd round. That would be a solid draft right there!

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Mar 26, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt that

Spiller is bigger and doesn’t have concussion issues.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 28, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

But what have you got against Spiller?

Kid looks like a versatile and speedy back that can return kicks and punts. He looks like a pretty good football player. And if the Niners dont pick him at 13, the Seahags could pick him at 14 and we might see that kid twice a year with a chip on his shoulder for the rest of his career.

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Mar 26, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my biggest concern

Not picking Spiller up, someone else getting him (especially in the NFC West), him putting out major production and in the end us getting all the Flak for not drafting him. The biggest benefit of drafting Spiller is that he puts the sense of fear or at least concern in the defense. He will likely make everyone around him better because when he runs into a huddle the likely presumption is the ball will be going to him or somewhere in his direction. I’m sure for anyone who has played organized football, you’ve heard someone on the defense yell “There he is!” It’s because the defense is presuming some impact guy has the ball. We have that right now in Gore. But what happens when he goes down or has to sit out a play? Who will instill that “fear” in the defense?

by Mangoman on Mar 27, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Should the 49ers fear the Seahawks getting Spiller

More than the Seahawks should fear the 49ers getting a fortified Offensive Line?

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by supraman on Mar 27, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously I'd rather have them fear us more

But I get what you’re saying. We need to be worried about our own business. I’m almost 100% sure the OL need will be addressed in the first round. But I’m just thinking we still need an additional playmaker. Someone who if he is not directly involved in making the play, his presence in the offense is going to make the play happen somewhere.

by Mangoman on Mar 27, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes no sense

We passed on Lofa Tatupu in 2005.
You really think he cares now?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 28, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know, not like we have a top 3 pick in the first round

I’m excited about having lots of 2nd-7th round picks.

First round player(s) should contribute but there’s quite a few picks in the later rounds that have a chance of being excellent players, e.g. Gore.

by fortyniners on Mar 27, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm totally against drafting spiller with any of are 1st rd pick i would

rather get j.best in the 2nd or 3rd rd and we wouldn’t be in this (bleeping) position if scott mc or jed york or whoever dumb(bleep) idea 2 let cory sheets go and spurlock , these dudes were making plays left and right in pre-season .Now that we sucked in ST some people think we should REACH 4 spiller those same people who want spiller should be more concerned about who’s making these dumb (bleep) decisions in the front office we can’t keep cutting play-makers but holding on 2 bums like michael robinson or mark roman.Both of these bums took up space and we also let tully-bant-cain go while he was killing QBs in pre-season and he went 2 NE and put up 10 sacks who and the (bleep) are making these decisions up stairs!!!!!

by jayjonna415 on Mar 27, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesnt mean that for sure

He could still potentially get drafted before our picks…. Not to mention, that they could have been talking about any player that fits the bill on that.

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 27, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope so

 But one thing I would change is the script writers. It sounds like the same old thing !!!

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 29, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maiocco just posted ...

… a really excellent piece on what difference Baalke taking over from ScottMac might make. I’m a big Maiocco fan, as are most people on NN, but even by his standards this was really interesting. Have a look – I find Clausen really fascinating. What would the Niners do if he falls to 13th? Intriguing.

LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.

by LondonNiner on Apr 5, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Clausen???

We just had a whole conversation about not taking McNabb with a 2nd because of our “faith” in the current set of QBs. Now we’re talking about taking a QB in the first??
Doesn’t make a darn bit of sense to me. Clausen is not of first round value to the 9ers at this time.
So if Clausen were to fall to 13th as you ask, I would say that we pick someone else.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 5, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough ...

… As I have said in previous posts, I don’t see enough of college football here in the UK to have a strong opinion of Clausen or anybody else projected to go in the first round. All I see is a guy who was felt might go to the Skins higher up than our pick, then won’t (obviously) go to the Skins because of McNabb, and how might fall to us, and Maiocco is talking about what we might do if he gets to us. That’s an interesting subject to me, but if you don’t reckon he’s for us, that’s good enough for me, ChesapeakeBay9er. I guess I’m not saying the Niners SHOULD take him, more that I find it fascinating that we might have to make that call, and whether or not we have faith in our QBs, one thing is sure – they are not settled enough to make that selection a formality.

LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.

by LondonNiner on Apr 5, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Understood

And wasn’t so much at you saying we SHOULD was more at Maiocco saying we SHOULD. Seemed weird, made no sense.I’d personally much rather use that pick on a S, OT, OG, CB, etc. etc.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 5, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maiocco didn't say that he thought we should

just that it’s an option for us. I don’t recall Maiocco having anything positive to say about Alex though, so take his QB stuff with a grain or two of salt.

He also mentioned Tebow as an option in the second round, but I still stand fast to my statement that Tebow will be gone in the 1st.

If he somehow slides to the 2nd he’ll be gone by pick 49 for sure.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Apr 5, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He got that from the 49er organization not being interested in McNabb?

McNabb and Clausen are in two totally different parts of their careers. McNabb, eventually is going to hit a decline stage, he turns 34 this year. In most organizations eyes I couldn’t imagine him being considered more than a stopgap for one or two years.

If the 49ers see a franchise QB on the board at pick #13, they better run that card to the podium themselves. Alex Smith, we can all agree, is by no means a franchise QB. He’s just the starting QB for a franchise. I think people underestimate the importance of not having just any ordinary QB. Now if you believe you can get a Rivers or Rodgers(I see qualities of both in Clausen) on your team, Baalke would definitely consider biting. Again, just take a gander at when he’s asked about Alex Smith. He doesn’t seem confident in Smith at all.

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by supraman on Apr 5, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is where you're wrong
Alex Smith, we can all agree, is by no means a franchise QB.

Alex did enough last year for the front office to justify giving him one more year. If we draft a QB in the first round I’ll be shocked and incredibly upset.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Apr 5, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

A franchise QB, in your opinion, does enough to justify one more year?
Alex did enough last year for the front office to justify giving him one more year. If we draft a QB in the first round I’ll be shocked and incredibly upset.

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by supraman on Apr 5, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Maiocco had a dead line and not much to write about. Seemed like he was just throwing stuff out there, he even speculated on Tebow.

by bignerd on Apr 5, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

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