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Pro Football Focus.com and the 49ers Secondary

A couple of weeks ago I wrote an article on ProFootballFocus.com's offensive line rankings and highlighted the 49ers. Today I wanted to talk about the much maligned secondary (which has been unfairly criticized to a great deal in my opinon). Before I do that though I wanted to update the offensive line postings. PFF did a study on pass production productivity. They wanted to see how many sacks, hits, and pressures each tackle gave up in the league, so they went through their database and came up with some answers. They also threw in a bunch of disclaimers.

This isn't to say who the best pass protecting linemen are (our gradings do a much better job of that). The PBP Rating doesn't take into account the quick throws or how long a player was tasked with protecting the quarterback. It simply looks at objective stats and adds some weight to the arguments of certain players being poor pass protectors and others excelling.

 

Surprisingly enough the 49ers had three offensive tackles make the listings. Two of them made it in the best pass production list and one made it to the worst production list.

Here's the rankings for LT Joe Staley is ranked 7th and Barry Sims 9th

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For RT we've got the woeful Adam Snyder coming in as the 3rd worst RT in the league

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They've also done a study comparing the interior linemen and none of the 49ers make any of those lists. Some interesting names on the list--Stephen Neal (UFA) is one of the top 10 pass blocking guards. Daryn Colledge (RFA) was among the worst guards in the league in pass productivity. Among centers some predictable names are there. Jeff Saturday and Nick Mangold are in the top 10 while Kevin Mawae ranks among the worst centers in pass blocking.

With the secondary we've got some good news and some bad news and as usual, some surprising news. I love PFF because they have really detailed stats on secondary players. In their rankings they have information on the number of times that a CB or safety was thrown to, the number of times that receiver caught the ball, the number of YAC, and the total number of yards, as well as QB hits, pressures, sacks, and tackles. Join me after the jump as we go through PFF's database to see what it says about the 49ers and see if it's got any valuable information for us.

 

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The first thing I want to do before going on a tour of the 49ers secondary is show a graphical representation of the defense as a whole.

 

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As you can see we've got some studs. Smith is the top ranked DE in their rankings, Willis is the top ranked LB. They're showing Spikes as being very solid still and among the better ILBs with Ahmad Brooks having a breakout year as well and very solid in all facets. What interests me is that they're saying we actually have decent pass coverage for the most part. The two players who have the worst pass coverage are Goldson (and I'd argue he made some improvement) and Lewis). Unfortunately those are our two safeties and that's where coverage is most important and why we need a cover safety, not CBs like everybody seems to mock to us.

 

Let's look at who PFF has as the best CB and safety so we can get an idea of what to shoot for. According to PFF the best cornerback in the league is Charles Woodson with Darrelle Revis a close second

 

Woodson

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As you can see Woodson has very few negative plays and lots of positive plays which is why he's the number one overall. 

 

The coverage chart shows some interesting things as well

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The first thing it shows is that there is no such thing as a shut down corner. The best CB in the league still allowed an average of 54.8% of the balls thrown his way to be caught. What he excels at though is the aftermath of those receptions. Very few YAC, and few yards total. That's what you're looking for in a DB. 

 

Dre Bly

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As you can see Bly is very consistent week to week. He doesn't have many off games, but on the other hand he doesn't have many big games either.

 

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Bly's coverage skills aren't too bad either. He allowed a 57.6% completion rate, and 12.6 yards per catch average which isn't too shabby. He's still got what it takes to play in the league.

 

 

Tarrell Brown

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As you can see Brown is also very consistent. He had two bad games, one against Tennessee (when everybody sucked), and the one against Green Bay. Otherwise he's very consistent though he has the same issue as Bly in that he doesn't have big games either.

 

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His coverage skills are less than Bly's at 59.6% average completion. He's also more susceptible to the big play.

 

Nate Clements

The favorite Niner that fans like to hate.

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As you can see he's also very consistent though he has better pass skills than both Brown and Bly. The Atlanta game kills him because of the 90 yard TD run he gave up against Roddy White. Other than that he was very good before he got hurt.

 

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The 54.6% completion rate is actually better than Woodson's. Again what kills him is the YAC and that number is skewed because of that 90 yard TD run.


Shawntae Spencer

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Spencer is also pretty good in coverage. His issue is with run support--he makes very few good plays, so when he screws up he has nothing to balance it out with.

 

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This is an even more interesting breakdown to me. Only a 53.6% completion rate? That's good enough to rank him 20th best among all CBs. Of course everything else is mid level. Here's hoping he can come back next year even better.

 

Moving now to the safety which is our biggest area of concern. We have Goldson and Lewis as the starter with Roman acting as more of an extra back in nickel or dime coverage. PFF has Ed Reed ranked as the best safety in the league. Like the other top players he makes few bad plays and lots of good plays.

 

Ed Reed

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What jumps out to me here is how very good his pass coverage is. He's average in run support, but the pass coverage is so good it elevates him to the top. 

 

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His completion percentage is actually pretty high, which for a safety is actually not surprising to me since being directly targeted is very unusual. What's very impressive is how few yards those passes gain, both from the initial completion as well as from the YAC. 

 

Dashon Goldson

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What strikes me is how poor his pass coverage is when he's targeted directly. He's also a guy who runs hot and cold. Against AZ he only allowed 33% completion, 50% against Seattle, 100% (on only one catch) against phlly and 66% against Detroit. The coverage skills are one reason why he might be better at strong safety.


Michael Lewis

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Lewis' run coverage was marginally better than Goldson's according to the data, but the pass coverage was the same or worse.

 

Mark Roman

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Mark Roman is also a much maligned player (mostly because of the Minnesota game). The interesting thing that the charts show us is that he's actually pretty solid for the most part. Essentially his big issue is that he doesn't make any plays on the ball (which you need to do if you're going to play safety). His completion percentage is 66% which is higher than either Lewis or Goldson. Essentially he's middle of the pack.

 

Conclusions

1. We need a pass protection safety to help over the top

2. Goldson is probably better suited to move to strong safety

3. Our conerbacks are actually solid. Not spectacular, but not horrible either

4. Clements is still one of the better CBs in the league. PFF has him ranked 24th overall (even after giving up a 90 yard TD)

5. Our next best CB is Spencer, ranked 32 and then Bly ranked 47.

6. When you filter out for starters (players taking 600 or more snaps), Spencer moves up to number 21 on the list and Bly moves up to 26.

 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 

 


 


 


Poll
Who will be the starting cornerbacks for the 49ers in 2010?
Clements and Bly
25 votes
Clements and Spencer
291 votes
Bly and Spencer
30 votes
Clements and a veteran FA
11 votes
Clements and a rookie
37 votes

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Since when is Houston "HST"

I took me a couple minutes to figure that one out

by foosball4949 on Mar 3, 2010 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

I guess they had to find some sort two letter or three letter abbreviation

HST works for me.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Mar 3, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

HOU?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That works

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Mar 3, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Howscoredthey?

"The Football The 49ers Team has The excitement of the bear, the velocity of the deer and strenght of the buffalo.

by 49erLou on Mar 3, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Berry falling to us (or trading up for him) would be a godsend for this team. I know both situations are really unlikely, but it would really solidify the secondary. I think Brown will start to show some improvement with more playing time as well.

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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 3, 2010 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

The thing about Berry falling to us...

…our divisional rivals determine that. Nobody else. If the Rams go Bradford, things will fall in place for the Bucs to take McCoy or Suh, and then Seattle at six will either go Berry or an offensive tackle. After Seattle, Berry could easily fall to us. If the Rams go Suh or McCoy, then the Lions will go with the other one and the Bucs may take Berry. It all hinges on the Rams at 1st and the Seahawks at 6th, which is a little unnerving when you think about it. Let’s just hope they go QB-OT.

He came back in the same suit that he was buried in...Similar to the one his grandfather was married in.

by James Brady on Mar 3, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Berry

I think the chances of Berry falling to us at 13 are slim to none even if the Rams do go Bradford. Also, the only way they go Bradford is if they trade back to 3 and swap picks with the Bucs which is also another unlikely scenario since the Bucs need help pretty much everywhere. I still think Suh will be #1 overall, McCoy #2, and Okung #3. I am not buying all the unecessary hype. Bradford has not even had his Pro Day and whoever interviews him will want to do thorough medical examinations on that shoulder. Too premature to be naming Bradford the #1 overall pick.

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 3, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh...

You shouldn’t throw around “the only way..” at all when refering to the draft. I think the 49ers will not get Berry, I think the chances of him falling are slim to none. My point stands in that the Rams and the Seahawks at 1 and 6, in the great scheme of things, control whether or not Berry can fall that far. The Bucs do as well, but there’s really nobody else that will determine that. The only factor I’m concerned with was the odd thought that our divisional rivals held the Berry-to-49ers destiny.

That being said, I personally don’t think the 49ers need Berry with Goldson’s emergence.

He came back in the same suit that he was buried in...Similar to the one his grandfather was married in.

by James Brady on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think the 49ers NEED Berry, with Goldson looking better, but I think a real ball-hawking FS with Goldson moving to SS would give us fantastic coverage. I like Goldson at FS, but from what I can tell, his coverage skills are about average for a FS, but above-average at SS. Berry and Goldson would be an incredible safety tandem.

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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 4, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Walt Harris

Maybe I missed this but are we bring Walt Harris back this year?

by twolfe2 on Mar 3, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Very doubtful

I think the comination of age and him tearing up his knee spelled a likely retirement for him. He was pretty good for us though.

by Mangoman on Mar 3, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not so fast.

He’s a UFA but he said he wants to play 1 more year.
If the 49ers can get him cheap, you can bet that they’ll bring him back as a dime back.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Berry would b perfect for

 But will we move up to get him..? I’ll really would lik 2 c dunta robinson from hst a niner.. then draft taylor mays to eventually take micheal lewis spot, an I think golsdon will become more comfortable at fs this year..

by dc49erfan on Mar 3, 2010 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

2 ME

adam snyder is a bust 2 me ,but i wouldn’t mind holding on 2 walt harris and bly 4 the most part and either use walt harriss as a 3rd down CB 2 me sometimes he out performend clements,even though clements was matched up with the num 1 reciever ,i think what kills me about are secondary they can let teams go on a long drive.But this year i saw them making more picks and sacks that i ever saw when nolan was coaching.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 3, 2010 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

There is something wrong with the formatting

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 3, 2010 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

Drew, looks good to me on Google Chrome, Opera and Safari.

…and that covers the big five. That being said, are you referring to centering? I had some issues with centering things via the visual editor this past Saturday. If that is the issue, I found it easiest to just go to the html editor and wrap all things that need to be centered with a < center > tag. < /center > being the closing tag. Obviously remove the spaces between lettering and the signs.

He came back in the same suit that he was buried in...Similar to the one his grandfather was married in.

by James Brady on Mar 3, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it too small?

click on the charts.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 3, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Analysis

Goldson is definitely physical enough to play SS, but I think FS gives him more of an opportunity to be a play-maker and he’s at his best when he’s flying around.

How do you think Walt Harris coming back could effect the secondary? It seems like barring injuries we’re pretty stacked at CB, I think if the 49ers wanted to get their best players the most time on the field than Clements should move to SS. Watching the games it seemed like Spencer had such a strong year in coverage and those stats back it up. It seems like between Harris and Brown one of those guys could step up at the other starting CB slot and I really like Bly as a Nickle because in theory it puts him on the other teams weakest receiver so he can bait and/or freelance.

I like Mark Roman as the first Safety off the bench, he had a much better year in 09 than 08 and blaming him for that Vikings TD is pretty unfair. I thought he was in decent position on that play, it’s not his fault they executed a perfect throw and catch.

I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.

by Johnnysixnut on Mar 3, 2010 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

I can't see Walt Harris coming back

old and injured I think he’s done.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Mar 3, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

PFF

i’m on the fence about the trustworthiness of PFF’s stuff. obviously, if trustworthy, then they provide a cornucopia of great info. unfortunately, there are a couple of things i’m concerned about…

most importantly, they simply don’t provide enough detailed info about their methods, and they don’t provide any statistical validation tests of what they do detail. in other words, they’re just saying, “trust us.” for example, this is from their grading page (my emphasis added):

My firm belief is that we are between 98-100% accurate in terms of statistics and Player Participation 80-90% accurate in terms of grading.

in measurement methodology, there are specific procedures for determining how accurate or reliable a measure is. simply estimating that they’re 98-100% accurate or 80-90% accurate on a given measure is a total cop out, and saying that it’s “my firm belief” means that they haven’t done the requisite quantitative reliability work to find out. the peculiar part is that, with “grading” types of stats, there’s a very easy way to put a number on reliability. it’s called inter-rater reliability, and all it takes is to have a group of qualified people rate the same plays, and calculate the correlation between their ratings. of course, we have no idea how many people grade a given player on a given play because they’ve chosen not to tell us. either way, the bottom line is that there are well-known statistics that measure how reliable a measure is, and they either don’t have a clue about them or have chosen not to calculate them.

second, their measures aren’t based on any kind of theory about football. contrast this with FO’s stuff, which is explicitly based on the play success theory proposed in Hidden Game of Football and supported by years of subsequent research. basically, PFF was just winging it when they came up with their rating procedures. there’s so much theory out there about football, that to proceed in an such an ad hoc way is pretty strange.

third, they don’t provide any evidence about the validity of applications based on their stats. contrast this with FO’s stuff, which tells you how strongly each measure is correlated with winning, pts scored, pts allowed, etc. FO’s always talking about how “stat X is correlated with important football thing Y,” or that “stat X is random from season to season, so it doesn’t correlate with important year-to-year football thing Y.” with FO, literally ever stat of theirs has practical implications because they’re significantly related to important football-related things that influence decision-making.

with PFF, if they say dunta robinson was the 98th-ranked CB in the NFL, what does this mean and what should the texans do about it? what’s the correlation between PFF’s CB grades and overall pass DEF, for example? does having the 98th-best CB have any implications for HOU going forward? did HOU go 9-7 because they had the 98th-best CB? all of this is very easy to quantify and present. all they need to do is calculate correlations. either they haven’t even bothered with establishing validity, or they have and they’re withholding it for whatever reason.

finally, this is more of a nitpick. when they say on their grading page that

b.WE ARE NOT SCOUTS

i have to wonder how exactly what they’re doing differs from scouting. sure, they may not be grading technique, but that’s only part of a scout’s job. scouting depts use all kinds of “grading” systems just like the one PFF seems to be using, which try to quantify performance from a subjective perspective. PFF’s grading procedure is basically (a) watch player on a play, (b) consult grading rubric, and © assign grade for player on that play. how does that differ from the quantitative aspects of scouting? so, really, PFF should be more humble about the real subjectivity of what they’re doing, and not just say

Sure, you can come up with a set of rules to determine which is which, but in the end, at the borderline between one and the other, it’s always subjective; it comes down to a judgment call.

um, no it’s not. what PFF does, i.e., calculating a stat based on a grader’s rating, THAT’S always subjective. what FO, brian burke, and many others do, i.e., calculating a stat based on the linear combination of a variety of variables, is not always subjective. in fact, it’s specific intent is to minimize subjectivity to zero.

having said all of this, i’m certainly open to new evidence. if they do some of the things that i’ve said here, and make them explicitly known to the public, then i’m more than happy to embrace their stuff. like i said, if it checks out statistically, it’s absolutely invaluable stuff. at this point, though, there’s just too much uncertainty about what they’re doing, what it’s based on, what it means, and how it applies to football decision-making to put much stock in it.

bill at FO recently addressed PFF’s stuff in one of their XPs. here’s the link:

http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/03/more_on_dunta_robinson_and_the.html

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Mar 3, 2010 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

just to be a little more specific...

if i’m writing up a piece of resarch about OLs or DBs, as PFF has done, the whole point is to be able to make a decision based on what my research finds. so, for instance, in what i think is pretty trustworthy stuff because it’s based on objective stats, PFF rated all OL on pass protection. how about taking all of the starting LTs in the league, and calculating the correlation between pass protection rating and passing yards, TDs, QB rating, etc.? and likewise do that for each of the OL positions. then we could do 2 things:

1) find out whether the method they used to come up with the rating was successful or not.
2) see which positions on the OL are most important for the passing game.

both of these things result in an actual decision being made from a personnel perspective, rather than just saying, “trust us, our method is solid,” or “hey, so-and-so was the best pass-blocking C in the league.”

same thing goes for DBs obviously. point is that the whole purpose of applied statistics is to be able to, well, apply them. without establishing the validity of the measures, we can only apply them on faith. faith is good enough if your a scout. it’s not good enough if you bill yourself as PFF does on their homepage (my emphasis):

For every game we analyze and grade every player on every play to provide you with the most in-depth statistics you can find anywhere outside the team’s film room.

um, no…without validity established, it’s not “statistics;” it’s “opinion.”

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Mar 3, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't read that wall there Danny...

…just a little busy but I wanted to add that PFF seems accurate as far as hard stats go but I’ve not once thought they use any semblance of actual thought in their rankings.

He came back in the same suit that he was buried in...Similar to the one his grandfather was married in.

by James Brady on Mar 3, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

hard stats

I think one of the writers at another SB Nation blogs pointed out some small errors in their hard stats. It’s definitely a site that has to be taken with a grain of salt in the grand scheme of things, just like many other sites.

by David Fucillo on Mar 3, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

They're getting there.

It seems like they have their heads in the right place, and when they started they had lofty goals. Then to me, I think they launched prematurely before they had enough set in place to be legitimate, they got too far behind and they never quite caught up with being completely up par. The problem is they advertise themselves as a resource before they were complete, you know?

He came back in the same suit that he was buried in...Similar to the one his grandfather was married in.

by James Brady on Mar 3, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

you cant say that you are statistical model and then give no formal methodology. I think what you said about having statistics be Reliabile and Valid is completely on target. Something can’t be said to be true or factual without it.

Now that isn’t to say that their informal assessment. or subjective analysis doesn’t have truth or doesn’t carry weight. But because it is not being tested for reliablity and validity, not many conclusions can be drawn.

Yet, I just wished I knew more how they gathered their information—-like its been said already..does one guy just watch all the tape? Is it five seperate guys who are trained/experienced observers doing it?

I’ll save more stuff on authentic assessment etc..but you get my point, i get where you are coming from.

by 11allstar on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure how many guys are involved

That’s a good question. I used to do quality control at a call center and one of the biggest things we had a problem with is getting all the supervisors on the same page in regards to what was good and wrt to a call.

Unless these guys are having regular meetings where they watch the same film and grade it independently and then compare they’ll end up running into the same problems.

Nevertheless, I still think it’s a valuable tool to get an idea on where individual players stand outside of the traditional stats.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah...

i’m actually doing quality control at a law office right now. my specific comments were from my measurement methodology expertise, but it’s generally the case that, if you have people rating something, you need to make sure that your rating system is reliable. otherwise, you have different people applying different standards. which isn’t to say that PFF’s ratings aren’t reliable, it’s just that putting a number on reliability (thru inter-rater reliability) is so damn easy. all they need on their site is one sentence saying, “as a measure of how trustworthy our grading protocal is, inter-reliability is 0.85,” then i’d be satisfied.

of course, in measurement, reliability is a prerequisite, but not a substitute for, validity, so they’d still need to show how well their stats could be applied in the real world. but establishing reliability is where you start, and it’s incredibly simple to calculate in their case.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Mar 4, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

My suspicion is that PFF is just a bunch of guys

who said to themselves “Let’s do something different” and who only have a surface understanding of what’s involved. Reading their “About” page that’s exactly what it seems to be. Neil Hornsby (the founder) disliked the way traditional stats were done so he started doing a grading system and brought in other people. It does appear that they do some sort of cross referencing with each other, but they still don’t say how often they do it nor how many samples they take.

One of the disciplines that we most pride ourselves on is the uniformity of grading across analysts. Does that mean we will all grade every play exactly the same? Of course not but hours of practice and consistency checking means we’re very close and going into the 2008 season we believe the differences between our analysts are negligible.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Mar 4, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand the hesitation with PFF

and I feel some of the same. However, as far as I know it’s the only site that attempts to grade every player based on how their play affected the game, rather than on traditional stats such as tackles and sacks. That’s why I like them.

I tend to disagree a fair amount, but it’s a good place to start in my opinion.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Mar 3, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

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