Tony Pashos signs with Cleveland
by smileyman on Mar 7, 2010 1:21 PM PST
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PrintIt isn't exactly surprising news but there was still hope that Pashos would stay with us. Adam Schefter is reporting that Pashos has signed a 3 year $10.3 million contract with the Browns. I'm fairly confident that the 49ers weren't offering him anywhere near that kind of money so it's not surprising that he'd want to leave. He gets paid big money and won't have to fight for a starting position.
This is big news for Cleveland. There was lots of talk that they would grab an offensive tackle in the draft, but now they have many more options available to them with the signing of Pashos
Pashos has been in the league for 7 years. He was 2 year starter for Baltimore and a two year starter for Jacksonville. He was originally a fifth round pick out of the University of Illinois (Baltimore knows how to find good tackles in later rounds, don't they?)
This move definitely makes acquiring a right tackle the 49ers top off season need.
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Ok now we do it
Now we go for either Bushrod or Gaither
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions
Im officially on the trade for Jared Gaither bandwagon
also, I didn’t know he was 6’9" 340 lbs, what a beast. He seems like the kind of guy the FO would like
Go 49ers
He's a 143 lb LT
he’s got a big ass like Mayock says. He can play the RT position.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
LOL pardon the typo!
Yeah he’d be tiny
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Staley can also play right, so let the best man play left. It would be a good move. But I dont think it will happen.
Staley isn't good on the right.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 7, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Sign Gaither draft Bulaga
and trade Staley for another high level WR
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Keep Staley
and draft Veldheer let him play guard and learn the OT position in the NFL. And draft bushrod over Gaither athough I like Gaither a lot bushrod is cheaper
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Let veldheer play guard?
i pass on the idea, he has great outside rush protection.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Get rid of one LT for two LT's? i pass on Bulaga and would much rather take Valdheer at a later pick.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Can't see that happening
Staley is more a prototypical LT than a RT
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
How do you think Bushrod/Gaither would fit at RT?
Do you thing either of them are capable?
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
I Can Easily See
Gaither fitting perfectly at the right side. Also here is something to think about, Baltimore lost 3rd and 4th round picks in their trade for Boldin; i believe the 49ers can get Gaither without surrendering one of their 1st round picks. Something like a 3rd and 5th in 2010 and conditional pick in 2011.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Could work out well for both sides then
give them that then we can trade our 17 for more picks. Hmm someone to get a 1, 3 and 5 from.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
I would try to trade back draft picks for the trade and see if they bite. We get gaither and they move up the board.
And then a conditional 3rd
Mock, Yeah, ing, Yeah, Berry Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
CLE #7- 1500pts, #39 510 pts, #103 92pts--49ers 2 1st 2200pts
1a. traded for Berry, 1b. traded for Berry(CLE) 1c. #7 Eric Berry, 2a(Cle) Valdheer, 2b Mike Johnson OG, 3. Jacoby Ford WR, 4a(Cle) D McCourty 4b. Stephen Williams, 5. Trindion Holliday, 6. Zac Robinson 7. FB
Or maybe just a conditional 3rd in 2011
that moves to a 2nd if he plays well.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
That Would Work Too
Maybe this.
trade the 13th pick, 3rd round pick and a conditional 2011 pick to the Ravens for Gaither and the 25th pick? we have to throw out that conditional pick because of the upside he has and likelyhood he would be an all-pro in the NFC
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
No chance that they give him up for that little
Gaither is a better OT than Staley, btw.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ok maybe I'm not completely clear on RFA rules
So even though gaither has a 1st round tender on him, if the Ravens don’t match an offer sheet for him the team that gets him can negotiate a different exchange in lieu of the 1st round pick??
Quick and dirty explanation
By offering an RFA tender a team can retain the rights to a player. Just like with any player they have the rights too they can accept a lower offer. The tender is basically putting a price on a player.
It’s like you taking a guitar to a pawnshop and telling the guy “I want $250 for this.” You’ll probably be happy with $150 or $175, but that $250 sets the boundaries of what you’re willing to do.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I thought it was that they trade the player on the tender contract
it’s kind of a technicality because the outcome is the same, but I thought it was that the new team works out the terms without an offer sheet being signed, the player is traded for whatever comp, then he signs the deal with the new team.
by microwave donut on Mar 8, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
the new team has to agree to a deal with the player before anything happens. But the compensation that the old team accepts isn’t set in stone. They can accept a trade for less than what they tendered a player at.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Nothing prevents the Ravens from agreeing to do less
The 1st round pick lets teams know what the starting price is
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
But Gaither is probably worth more than pick 13
He’s a fantastic LT.
That said, I do believe that they put the 1st round tender on him (rather than the 1st and 3rd) because they’re looking to “deal” him.
They have two great LTs on that team and I doubt that they’re going to want to pay both for 10+ years.
Might as well get the most out of one (Gaither) and keep the best (Oher).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that's my suspicion too
but if they tendered him at a 1st round pick we can grab him for pick #13 if they decide not to match our offer—no trades needed.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I Say Trade
Baltimore lost two picks in the Boldin deal. We could go after Gaither and not even give up a 1st round pick.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
I'm trusting Paraag/McCloughan on this one.
If they don’t bring in Gaither it will probably be because they couldn’t work out a long term deal with him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
He Will Demand
top of the line pay, and i say give it to him. I am against opening the wallet for “average” players, but Gaither can flat out play. 6Y-42MD with about 20MD guaranteed; a front loaded contract as well, so we can have more flexibility once addressing Davis, Willis and Goldson
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
What about Staley?
A deal like that would make him the highest paid OL on the team.
He is also better than Staley so would we move him to LT?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
We can't justify paying a RT that kind of money because Staley blows at RT.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
He's not a RT
He’s a LT and I assume he would like to be paid like one.
You get why I’m concerned though.
He would have to be put at LT and Staley would struggle at RT.
Maybe some kind of three way trade where we get Gaither, some other team gets Staley and the Ravens get 1st rounder.
Although I think there is a .0000000001% chance that happens.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
I know he isn't a RT, that is why I said that Staley blows at LT and moving Gaither there would mena Staley to the right.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
Which is why I don't see the 49ers making a huge play to get him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
If we got Gaither
We could draft Bulaga, Williams or Davis to play RT and deal Staley. I’m generally very loyal to my teams players… But sorry Joe – That situation means u gotta go.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
So you would be basically drafting two OL in the first round?
That would be boneheaded in my opinion and I don’t think Scotty Mc is that foolish, there is talent in draft to warrant not using two first rounders on the OL.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Ok this is confusing
PFT tweets that the Skins came to terms then like 5 minutes later tweets that he left without a contract and is headed to Cleveland.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 6, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions
Yeah
Pashos has not signed yet link
I think the 49ers lack of interest in re-signing Pashos could mean something on another front in either the free agency or trade market, but that is pure speculation
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 4:55 PM PST reply actions
I Don't know if this is the official "Free Agent" Thread
But i got some news, and it isn’t from Bleacher Report LOL
Arizona acquires S- Kerry Rhodes from the Jets for 4th round pick in 2010 and 7th round pick in 2011 link
Now i am all for proceeding with caution on both the free agent and trade markets, but why couldn’t the 49ers get in on this?
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 5:01 PM PST reply actions
He lost his starting job in NY
which is why the trade seems so meager in terms of value the jets are getting back…personally, i feel that with the Niners quiet on the Rolle/Atogwe/other safeties front, they are content with Goldsons progress (and who isnt, with the maturity he showed in the latter half of the season) and feel like they can get enough out of Lewis this season that they can either groom the young safeties they already have (Smith, Taylor) or draft a pure SS in the later rounds to groom instead of having to move Goldson to that position.
It could also be a cost saving move since Goldson has hired Drew Rosenhaus as his agent, which would incentivize the team to keep him at FS and find a cheaper SS rather than bringing in a top-flight (and expensive) FS and then have to pay Goldson FS money to play SS.
dude what are you smoking hook bra up??
because you’ve totally lost it if you think that slow no coverage covering lewis can do im over dawn he should of lost his job 3 yrs ago ,maybe taylor can pan out he had a couple of good yrs at lsu but reggie smith has’nt showed he could make a impact at safety maybe he needs 2 be a CB again.but give it up on lewis he’s2 yrs over done .
Im not saying I agree
I’m just speculating that the reason why theyre so quiet is because this is, after all, a business. If we threw $7MM at every player in the open market, we’d have about 20 players on the roster.
bro
i just said the same thing kerry rhodes for a 4th rounder are you serious that right there 2 ME is a nice pick up not it wasnt working in new york but i think he is and could be really good safety niners sleep on everything unless you’re an old name with no game the giants ohhmy bad the niners need 2 be more aggressive like they are on old players who got no game left!!
wow that made my head hurt
Its called a period, and its closely related to its cousin, the comma. Either one would help immensely.
Hey, go back to school!
Your lack of adequate grammar, punctuation, and typing skills makes it impossible for readers to even understand what you’re saying, much less evaluate it.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 6, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Very humorous but scary to think that Snyder could still possibly start next year
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
isnt he an FA?
I thought I saw his name on the UFA list next to the other guys who have fallen out of favor (Battle, Roman) before giving them all a “So long, suckers!” salute.
Either way, Maiocco feels like Sims would be the better backup OT since he can play both sides, and if Im not mistaken the team suits up 3 OTs each game.
No
He’s under contract.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
got a 4 year extension thru 2011
/throws self down stairs
by microwave donut on Mar 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
as usual
the niners miss out on another signing i’m really questioning the ‘’ brass ’’ of this orginazation ‘’ damm did eddy.b get a life time ban ’’’ serious i know we have 2 first round picks sign possibly because i wouldnt put it pass this team 2 pawn off both picks 2 move up who knows ive seen dummer stuff done when it comes 2 this franchise .But you don’t bring no OL in and you let a pretty good one go 2 a team in you’re same conference , they signed marvel smith last year and he pulled a jimmy on us ’’ now there atcing like there scared ’ i hate sometimes how this franchise moves everything is slow plodding we need 2 be aggresive on somebody other than david carr sorry @ss.
Dude.
Tony Pashos wants to start, he wants to be paid like a starter.
The 49ers would bring him back under the condition that he is to compete with a rookie for a starting job (and he obviously wouldn’t be paid like a starter here).
If he was to sign here and lose out to the rookie he would be a useless backup since he can only back up at RT (he can’t play LT)
Have you ever considered the idea that maybe he doesn’t want to play in SF because he’s more likely to start (and get more money) elsewhere?
Think harder next time.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Let the man have his broken English rants, it’s not like anyone bothers to read them anyways.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 6, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
The 49ers would bring him back under the condition that he is to compete with a rookie for a starting job (and he obviously wouldn’t be paid like a starter here).
Where did you hear that? Source? Link?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
It's obvious
I don’t want to cite the beat writers since you don’t think highly of them but I did see it on there too.
After the Marvel Smith fiasco (and the Jonas Jennings signing), the 49ers would be [site decorum] if they decided to just bring in a FA to fill the RT void. They have to insure themselves so that Snyder is no longer the backup at the OT spots.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
were talkig about me not thinking highly of the beat writers
because i dont know who is the beat writers are or who runs this website but maybe u meant somebody else
I know Drew K doesn't think highly of Maiocco.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Duuuuude
im talking in general and every position on the line should be up 4 grabs no one has solitified there posistion but thats neither here nor there but the niners seem 2 never be in there when it comes 2 a or a+ plus level free agent yet we spend money on c+ plus level talent ( brandon jones marvel smith ) i knew we weren’t going 2 be heavy in free agency it just would be nice 2 see this franchise be a little aggresiive instead of playing cat and mouse games with david carr is that were at i felt that 4th rd pick 4 kerry rhodesx would have been a nice pick up this is a slow a frugile franchise when it comes 2 signing any free agents.
You are not giving respect to Heitman, Rachal or Staley
Heitman is a great C and is in no danger of losing his job, Staley is a very good OT, and Rachal has shown flashes of brilliance.
The team may need another LG and definitely a RT.
However, there aren’t any good LGs or RTs out on the open market. (there are a few RFAs but the price is too steep).
There was only one A+ level FA, that was Julius Peppers. He’s over 30 and would have demanded a $70+ million contract.
It makes no sense to overspend on mediocre guys like Antrelle Rolle or Chester Taylor.
Kerry Rhodes is terrible and isn’t even worth a 4th round pick. I’d take Curtis Taylor (7th round pick) over Rhodes.
It was a weak year for FAs and I’d like to see the 49ers spend more money on young players already on the team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I Honestly
have no idea what you are talking about!!! Yeah it makes perfect sense to over pay for this mediocre free agent class. 
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Smileyman I'm sorry but did you honestly just say that PFT is generally reliable?
They are absolutely notorious for citing ‘team sources’ that DO NOT EXIST! More often then not they’ll report a slew of fake links that could ‘maybe possibly kind of be true’ and one out of that ten will be a hit and they’ll go SEE WE REPORTED IT!
PFT is nothing more than careful guesswork from a guy who only cares about page views. Sure, they’re right sometimes, but that’s usually because they’re not the ones who broke the [site decorum] news. They are one of the absolute worst sites to depend on as far as stand-alone sourcing goes.
I apologize for the rant but ‘generally reliable’ is a huge stretch.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
I've found them a pretty reliable source for FA news this year
and especially when it gets retweeted by those whom I regard as very reliable
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
They've been decent in FA but that doesn't constitute 'generally reliable' in general, does it?
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Good point
but FA is the only time I read them, so I don’t have a broad spectrum of experience with them.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
justin fargas has been released
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10094316828
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
1b. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
2. Best CB available
3. Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green
by MichaelClutchtree on Mar 6, 2010 6:05 PM PST reply actions
LOL Raiders
That’s right, get rid of your most productive and reliable RB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
But didn't you hear?
Al has a plan! He’s going to draft Trindon Holiday to be their featured back. Sure he only rushed for 126 yards last year, but he’s on LSU’s roster as a RB and he’s fast!
OMG
The Raiders are headed for the Superbowl!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
justin fargas YIPEE
I’m sorry..I’m just disappointed in how the Niners are starting this offseason..
they still have time to prove me wrong, but its like they are content on just sitting back..
Its not like they don’t have the money, definitely have the needs..but dang it mccoughlan grow some Cahones and make some good moves happen!
to be honest there hasn't been much
we’re not gonna give peppers $42M guaranteed
we’re not giving rolle that much money
i do wish we had gotten kerry rhodes tho… i heard he was decent. and for a 4 and a 7?
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
1b. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
2. Best CB available
3. Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green
by MichaelClutchtree on Mar 6, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Kerry Rohdes is terrible
He lost his starting job, that’s why he was dealt.
You’ll see how much worse he is than Rolle when the season starts.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
alright then
i never really knew… i just remember him being in the doghouse this year and some said he was decent, others said not so much
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
1b. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
2. Best CB available
3. Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green
by MichaelClutchtree on Mar 6, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
I heard Rhodes was good and just didn't fit the new scheme.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
I guess we'll see then
I’ve never thought much of him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
It was more about money
he was due a huge roster bonus if he was still on the team next week
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Interesting
I still don’t think he’s good.
He doesn’t seem to care about football.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 7, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
But they don't have the money
They need to re-sign a lot of young players.
I have already said that if they fail to re-sign the young group of players we have after “saving” so much money I’ll be incredibly pissed.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
AGREED
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 6, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
But I would still like to see one big FA acquisition in either Atogwe or Gaither then use the rest to lock up our existing players
Either of those players would be great
Although I don’t see either of those players realistically being acquired.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Gaither more than Atogwe
I would love to have Atogwe but I don’t see us achieving that, but I do see a better possibility of Gaither
Gaither might not want to come here at all
I don’t think he’s ever lived outside the state of Maryland. Born there, went to college there, pro there.
by microwave donut on Mar 8, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
i know
this is a week free agent class and the only reason why im whinning about not signing people is because the draft is so far away ,it just would be nice if we was in the fconversation about signing people but iwouldnt mind if they dropped some dead weight were defiently carrying but feel you its nothing out there thats really worth paying i do feel we will grab something when is the question
Dead weight
Who’s dead weight?
Clemments is still one of our best DBs and Brandon Jones needs to be given more than just one year.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Uh ...
Do you really not know the difference between “weak” and “week”; or “we’re” and “were”???
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 6, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Gaithers Bandwagon
I am fully aboard on this Gaithers would be a great pickup and give us a chance to not have to rely on the draft for a tackle. With him and then some depth through the later rounds of the draft we could shore up our offensive line for multiple years. How great would that be a consistent offensive line that gives our qb time to throw, who would have though it all possible.
Definitely not
Use the draft to address the depth of the line and Gaither as our certified starter, I guess that read a little weird
I'm all for bringing him here
I’m just concerned as to how he would fit.
He’s better than Staley so does that mean we put him at LT and have Staley struggle at RT?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Move him to RT
Gaither has better ability and range and could really excell at Right. Leave Staley at LT it suits his abilities better
If he's brought over the team would have to give him a big contract extension.
That means he would be paid more than Staley.
Do you really want your highest paid OL at RT? Even when he’s better than your current LT?
The Ravens have a similar problem in that they don’t want to re-sign Gaither for too much because Oher is a better OT and is likely their future LT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Would you want an over paid RT that is not good at the position (Staley)
I think Staley knows that Gaither would be a better LT and he would be a worse RT and it would be best for the team if he shut his mouth.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
Although
You don’t want to start any type of rip in the OL. These guys should be a brotherhood with one goal Protect The Trenches. In a perfect world there would be no beef but we don’t live in a perfect world otherwise the Niners would have been at #6 a long time before the Steelers
O don't think it will cause a riff, at some point Staley has to realize he has subpar skills and was outplayed by Sims last season.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
He's not saying anything (Staley)
What are you trying to say?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 7, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
It would be fine in this case
The total money between both tackles would be manageable. Just play them however works out best
I’d rather have 2 guys capable of playing the left side than not. It gives options for when Staley walks/gets crippled/falls into a black hole of suck.
by microwave donut on Mar 8, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
REPLY BUTTON
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by David Fucillo on Mar 6, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Did the Niners tender Pashos, if not that was pretty stupid.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
He was a UFA
7 year veteran, I believe.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 6, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah he was UFA
no way we could’ve tendered him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Just doing some out loud thinking
Ok so it looks like we have Carr as our #2 QB. And I see two options as far a RT in FA
1) Jared Gaither for a round 1 pick (Would probably have to be our #13 to “follow the general rules” but the teams don’t have to follow the rules. We could work out some lower hitting trades.
2) Jermon Bushrod for a round 2 pick
So…now if one of the above trades come to fruition then we could do a trade of Hill and Snyder for a 4th rounder.
Does that trade seem too high?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 6:05 AM PST reply actions
Is it just this offseason
Or is it just common fact that true (and serviceable!) RT’s are at a commodity? It just seems like the best pickings are all LT’s!
Snyder shouldn't be traded
He’s a good backup at both G positions.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 7, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I've pondered that too.
But it is tempting
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I like the Bushrod option more than the Gaither option, unless we want to take a chance with staley or trade staley.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
It's "cheaper" that's for sure
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Good call.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 7, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Pashos is a Brown
Just heard on XM. He signed a 3 yr 10.4 mil contract.(I think that’s the value of the contract, I know it was 3 yrs)
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 12:34 PM PST reply actions
Sorry was 10.3
Adam_Schefter Filed to ESPN: New Browns exec Mike Holmgren nabbed his first free agent, signing OT Tony Pashos to a three-year, $10.3 million deal.
8 minutes ago via UberTwitter
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
FO better keep Sims as a back up and pick up another FA to replace Pashos
If we get rid of all our depth I am going to be extremely upset
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Not wanting to overpay a backup isn’t exactly getting rid of all our depth.
I never though I’d say this, but I would like to resign Sims for a backup role. But (similar to Pashos) if some team is willing to pay him starter money, I doubt the front office will match. As good as he was for us last year, I don’t think he’s a starter in the league.
I’d be shocked if the niners didn’t pick up tackle help in the draft, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they double dipped at the position. Going into the season with a couple rookies at the position is risky (assuming no other FA tackle is added), but I’d rather the FO take that approach than overpay for mediocre backup tackles.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Pashos isn't a backup
he’s a legitimate #1 starter which is why Holmgren was willing to pay him $10.3 million
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
So we can have two players equal to how Chilo Rachal was on our team as a rookie and last season at Right Tackle next year instead of someone who has played in the league… good call. We may as well stick Adam Snyder back in there while we’re at it since we arent paying him that much.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I forgot that all rookie linemen play like Chilo their first year
Chilo was raw coming out of USC. He said himself that he could have used more time in school, but wanted to get paid to help his family make ends meet.
Chilo also wasn’t drafted to start his rookie year. Unless McC makes a move in free agency, this year’s draftees will be expected to compete for a starting job.
And if Pashos is a legit number 1 starter, how come he keeps flopping from team to team? He’s a borderline starter who excels at run blocking and needs help pass blocking. Pashos is a decent stop gap, but not a guy to build around. And he’s not worth $10 mil.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 7, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
He started two years in Jacksonville
and started the final two years of his rookie contract in Carolina. He would’ve started for us but his first game as a starter he got hurt and went out. He’ll be the starter in Cleveland.
If you don’t think he’s a legitimate starter you should go back and watch some of the 2008 games and see how well he did for Jacksonville.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Please dont use the term “raw”… every lineman in NCAA football is “raw” coming out. That term means nothing to me at all. …Vapor.
There is a learning curve for every player coming in. It takes longer for linemen in general (Defensive and Offensive) to make a significant impact. Not everyone is Michael Oher. More importantly, there is no Oher’s coming out this year… including Okung.
And I dont have anything other than “disagree” to say to you about Pashos. Bad move. Watching film on him confirmed that for me. He goes from team to team so he can start… he’s a cometitor. Had he not broke his shoulder, he would have been starting for us. He started for Jacksonville and for a small stint with Baltimore. So it’s not like he’s a first timer starting.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Okung is the best tackle in this draft. He unlike all the other tackles our fans want looks to be NFL ready.
The term “raw” is understood by me, I don’t see why you have an issue with it. Every lineman is not raw coming out, some hit the field and are All-pro’s from day 1, there just isn’t tons of them.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
If you understand the term why don’t you define it… cause I can assure you that I will rip down your definition of it by giving SEVERAL examples of how every player is “raw” coming in. Gauranteed, I will smash your definition.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Raw
Per this online dictionary:
2.not having undergone processes of preparing, dressing, finishing, refining, or manufacture: raw cotton.
5.crude in quality or character; not tempered or refined by art or taste: raw humor.
6.ignorant, inexperienced, or untrained: a raw recruit.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 8, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I'll give you examples of players that were not raw coming into the league that play ono the OL.
Jonathan Ogden, Jake Long, Michael Oher, Orlando Pace, D’Brackishaw Ferguson, Steve Hutchinson, Jordan Gross, Walter Jones, and I am sure their are other players at the position that hit the field and were probowl players from game 1 of their NFL career.
Raw, IMO, are players that have the physical ability but are not sound in technique.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Child, please
Yes, he isn’t a first time starter. But he is a marginal starter who is expendable, as demonstrated by playing for four teams over the last five-odd years.
Rewatch the film. He’s a good run blocker that cannot pass block on an island. He’d work well in Sing’s power running offense and would not work well on the spread-style offense that was prevalent at the end of the season.
The Browns needed line help bad, so the signing was good for them. He’s an upgrade over what they have. He wasn’t worth that type of money for the Niners.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Child please? What are we 12?
Pashos is solid, I dont need to watch the film… I’ve seen it several times. Maybe you should go back and watch it with open eyes. A rookie with maybe….maybe the exxception of Okung WILL NOT or WOULD NOT be an upgrade over him. That’s a pretty simple concept to grasp. Most rookie linemen will not be an upgrade over most veterans initially.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Just paying respects to OchoCinco
A rookie with maybe….maybe the exxception of Okung WILL NOT or WOULD NOT be an upgrade over him.
Probably for the first few games. Maybe for the first season. But not after that. I’d rather go with a rookie that has the potential to be better than him in 2010 and much better 2011 and beyond.
Pashos is almost the definition of marginal starter. Unless you think every tackle outside of Okung will be a bust, throw some time-related context on your quote.
And watch the film. Eye in the sky don’t lie.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 8, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather go with a rookie that has the potential to be better than him in 2010 and much better 2011 and beyond.
This should go with out saying, but the key to this is spending the draft picks (or moving up via trade for Okung) on talented tackles in the draft. Letting Pashos go leads one to believe that the draft pick(s) will be spent.
There’s always a risk depending on rookies, especially on the O and D lines. But assuming Sims sticks around, the Niners risk is somewhat mitigated.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 8, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
You can't be factual in that statement. okung, on the surface appears to be better than pashos, however their can always be a gem in the draft that excels at this level immediately.
It also depends on what is expected out of a RT in the offense and how they fit into the assignments of the scheme. I agree I would rather have kept pashos, but it’s not totally unlikely that Okung is the only OL that could be better than him from day 1.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Not wanting to overpay a backup isn’t exactly getting rid of all our depth.
Regardless of the money, it’s getting rid of depth. Besides, Pashos could have been a legitimate starter for us. I am sort of with Ninjames on this one… it’s not like it’s coming our of our pocket books. Who cares how much someone is getting paid or not getting paid. That is their deal. Our deal as fans is to cheer our team on, not care about how much a player makes.
We need to be looking somewhere to replace Pashos in free agency regardless if we draft one or not.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
And 10.3 over 3 years isn't overpaying for a starting tackle
That works out to just over $3 million per year. Staley got a 9 year $43 million deal which works out to almost $5 million per year, so paying Pashos $3 million per year would be right in line
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I’m thinking the FO would want to draft a long term answer at RT, Pashos wasn’t a long term answer.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 7, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Pashos has at least 3-4 good years left in him
But McC has always been consistent that he prefers to build through the draft
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Which is kind of a bad policy if you let your developed players walk all the time cause you don’t want to pay them… then its pretty much a 3-4 year rotating door and zero continuity with very little chance to succeed. We’ll find out how true to his word he is when pay days start coming around for the Vernon Davis’, Patrick Willis’, Dashon Goldson’s, etc.
Look at any of the 80’s team rosters for the most part they stayed pretty consistant. The Niners bought that Superbowl in ’95.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
You're right
You might want to build through the draft but once you do you need to be willing to pay to keep the guys you have. Consistency and continuity are extremely important for long term success
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Not to mention adding FA's, he obviously is not high on it. The no new CBA really screwed us this year
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Definitely a bad policy, i call it the sit on my hands and wait approach, who wants a winner this year, when we get more draft picks next year.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Get the last few years out of a vet so you can draft a raw Tackle with upside in the later rounds, and save your 1-3 round draft picks for other positions of need where age is a definite issue(CB)
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
I do agree, he didn't have time in the system or time to learn the system.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
You sure?
Or am I misunderstanding?
From Maiocco.. Yes. RT @Kurtz49 does the Pashos signing count as a FA loss for compensatory picks?
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by mountaindew77 on Mar 7, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
But Isaac and Battle don't count right?
or do they?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Battle would count, Issac no.
I don’t know how they decide what level of compensatory pick a team receives but how many picks is determined by a very simple formula:
Free Agents Losts – Free Agents Signed = # Compensatory
But does Carr count as a FA signed?
If so that puts us break even about now.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
I get it!
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by mountaindew77 on Mar 8, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
It's based off the round that player is picked in
So for Pashos it would be a 5ht Rounder but if we get someone equivelant to Pashos’ status or higher, we would not receive a compensatory pick. So for instance, if we signed a free agent that was selected in the 4th Round for around what Pashos signed for, and he started, we would not get a compensatory pick for him. So if we get Bushrod or one of those guys, we dont get anything for the loss of Pashos. If we do, it will be a 2011 5th round comp pick.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
actually it's based on salary and playing time
with the new team
by microwave donut on Mar 8, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I really don’t think a team should get anything for letting a free agent sign someplace else. Here is your reward for being cheap.
lol
I can understand that, but it’s the way it’s set up.
Comp picks make more sense in baseball with the salary disparities/no cap.
by microwave donut on Mar 8, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
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