David Carr signs with the 49ers
by smileyman on Mar 7, 2010 5:24 PM PST
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PrintNote: Financial terms were just released. Two years at $6.25 million with another $1.87 million in incentives. That's pretty hefty money to pay a backup guy if you don't think he might win the starting job.
Well it's official. Chris Mortensen is reporting via Twitter that Carr has put pen to paper and signed a contract with the 49ers. Financial details are not available but the word yesterday was somewhere around 2 years, $3-4 million.
I'm assuming that he's here as a backup, not to challenge Smith for the starter role but I guess we'll see what happens when training camp and pre-season role around.
Carr was picked number one overall back in 2002 and spent five years as a starter with the Texans. He spent one season with the Panthers as a backup, and the last two seasons have been with the New York Giants. As a starter his best year was in 2004 when he was 285/466 for 3,531 yards and a 61.2% completion rate with 16 TDs and 14 INTs.
Is this the first time that two former #1 picks have been on the same team?
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Yeah me too don’t get why they are wasting thier time.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 7, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Really, this move
Inspires a definitive “meh” from me.
xanthan: "Sabean is going to get 2 year extensions for the rest of our lives. We just need to deal with that realization."
Missing Barry: "If I deal with that realization and the realization that Cohan is never going to sell the Warriors….well, for my own health, I’m not going to acknowledge those things."
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
Oh man, I was going to say “Yeah” but it turned into a yawn. Weird.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Not the first time
He was just on a team with two former number 1 picks, himself and eli manning
And the Shaun Hill fans too
After all Shaun Hill won games and got Singletary his job.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 7, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
We’re going to have rioting in the mean streets of the Bay Area tonight. Nate Davis is just as much on the chopping block as Hill.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 7, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
I suspect this means nothing about Davis
This is a plug-in replacement for Hill. Carr’s got a better arm, moves around the pocket better. As the the intangibles, we’ll find out if the intangibles are really more about the things that FO reports on, like the worst O-line in the game.
Davis is probably going to be a continuing project… UNLESS the Niners didn’t see enough out of him last year to justify his continued presence, in which case they may be in the market for another young quarterback. But I think it’s the former. Davis is still a year or two away.
by Bob In Beaverton on Mar 8, 2010 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
This signing may not mean anything...
Last year we signed another back up in Huard and he got cut. BUT.. If Carr beats out Hill in minicamp even preseason, we could have seen the last of Hill as a 49er. Carr already has the edge, he has great mobility, arm strength and accuracy. Hill is just ok in these areas. Let the competition for #2 QB begin!
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
SINGLETARY WAS HIRED BECAUSE OF SHAUN HILL
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Singletary
was hired because of Nolan.
by Bob In Beaverton on Mar 8, 2010 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah they should be coming to rant pretty soon.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 7, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
NATE DAVIS! GRRRR!!!!!
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 7, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
by Mike Hawk on Mar 7, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah.
I dont see what David Carr brings to the table that Shaun Hill cant. I dont dislike Carr or anything but Hill already knows the offence. It just doesnt make sense to me.
I could simply be that the Niners want to continue the wide open passing offense and thought Hill’s arm couldn’t execute it.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 7, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
This is what it is I'm sure
they want someone who can step in as a backup and do the same job
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Of course that's what it is.
I was going to respond to mat.esty by saying. Uh…he can throw further than 10 yards for one. I for one personally like Carr and am happy to see him a Niner. I always thought he would do well on a team he didn’t have to worry about losing his head every play. He didn’t stand a chance in Houston. I still think Carr will impress given the chance.
I was being sarcastic about the winning thing
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He does have an arm that can throw downfield, Hill does not posess this attribute.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
hey mansmile
am i jumping 2 conclusion about carr or should i give him a break because of the line he played under is it a upgrade from hill cuzz i think he may be a bit bullet shy from those hits he took in houston ??
why ?
personally i feel david carr could’n t throw a barmitzua accuretly, like i said before this franchise still that BS that will saying WTF i mean i know sing and maybe scott has this old school mentality that were going 2 keep a competition going even though sing is saying ’ alex is the starter ‘’ but why where does this help us at all other saying that drafting a solid QB doesn’t have an exact science because here’s 2 over all num. 1 quaterbacks with over 5yrs exp., and both have’nt led there teams 2 the playoffs..And 4 what 4 who this is the stupid what the hell last year or the year b4 they brought that bum from the cheifs that threw 4 about 27yrds in a playoff game against the colts ( and Mr. you play 2 win the game ‘’) so i mean where scrambling4 peanuts again when a bum like this should be beggin 2 play with us i would chad pennington ’’ noodle arm ’’ and all atleast he took a team 2 the playoffs
Can't throw accurately?
More accurately than you can spell it at the very least. He threw for over 68% one year, at the time I believe that was 2nd best all time (To Steve Young at that). The guy has never been given a chance. He was a tackling dummy behind Houston’s O-Line and a backup everywhere else. He has a strong arm and throws one of the leagues best looking balls. I’d love to see him get a shot in SF where if he starts from around week 4 I predict he’d win comeback player award. He’s right around 30 years old where a lot of QBs have come into their own after similarly difficult starts. Yet he has had experience enough to step in and lead. I have always liked thiskid even when he was backing up in Caolina and NY and I’d love to see him get a shot now with a young team. I like Shaun Hill but at this point I think he should be cut and let the remaining 3 battle it out. Its Smiths job to lose but I dont think hell have a tough time losing it.
Eh
People just like making fun of Carr.
I think that if he would have landed in a place where he wasn’t sacked 76 times in a season he would be a good QB today.
He has good physical attributes and is actually accurate with the football, he’s just been sacked too much.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve always liked David Carr as a player.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
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Phew.
And your previous post had me worried that you were an annoying child with your heart set on spewing your garbage opinion onto the internet in search for validation and/or juicy confrontation.
It’s a good thing you proved otherwise.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
But as i was uhh saying
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Hey jay, I have to be honest with you here because I try to treat you with respect. And I like you because I can tell that you like the site and you like posting here and you play by the rules. But if I’m being honest with you, you have to recognize that not everyone here is going to show you the same respect. And part of that is because the way you write is hard to read. You can’t take offense to it. Here’s the deal the way I see it.
If you write in a way that’s hard to read, people are going to get on you for it. We’re not talking with our mouths here. We’re talking with written words. So it’s like if you’re talking to somebody and they’re mumbling and you say to them, “speak up so I can understand you,” that’s what people are saying to you. They’re saying, “that’s hard to understand, and I’m trying to understand you.” And they don’t always say it nice.
You have to look at it one of two ways here.
1) You keep writing in a way that’s tough to read. You seem proud to do that. You seem happy to do that. That’s cool. I’m fine with it. You just type the way you type. But if you do that, you need to not care when somebody gets on you on for it. Because they’re going to. No matter what you say, they will. So you have to shrug it off.
OR
2) You write in a way that’s easier to read. It might not be your voice, but people won’t make a fuss on it.
So there’s a compromise you have to make. Either you do what you do and take the negative comments in stride, or you change what you do and people will react differently to you.
That’s all there is to it. I’m saying that because I like you. I think you’re a good poster here. I respect you. And I don’t want you feeling like you have to butt heads with everyone who takes a shot at your writing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Great job by McGloughan to sign a probably better Alex smith to push the real alex for the starting job ,or to back up Alex,and replace Hill(sorry to see you leave but your armstrength was something your other good skills just couldn’t make up for). Either way it is an upgrade if Carr is as advertised,improved over his Texan’s years and settled down after the beating he took behind a MUCH worse O line than the Niners had in 2009(or so I have read). Now we seem rather solid at QB,with Alex on his last chance and hopefully surprising us all with some good play,and with Carr hopefully ready to step in if alex continues to play poorly and with Davis learning and waiting in the wings for his time to come.
Good job Scotty ,as usual !!!
He's definitely not better than Alex Smith considering he came into the league
at the same age Alex is now and Alex is at LEAST as good as he is now with equally horrible teams in their past.
He’s still 20X the passer Shaun Hill is though
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
He put up better numbers than Alex every year and took an unreal amount of sacks. He is better than Alex.
Really knowing who is better???
We won’t really know “who is better” until we see:
1) How he does in OATs compared to Smith and or Hill and Davis
2) How he does in camp compared to Smith and or Hill and Davis
3) The coaches evaluation of each in the above
4) Based on the above how Carr does in preseason
5) Who gets cut because I really doubt that the team will carry 4 QB’s this year
6) Who if anyone is injured this year
7) etc,etc,etc.etc
8) We really don’t know who else will make the team and who will be a surprise on the offensive side of the ball…
We won’t know until we see how things shake out..
This put Hill in major jeopardy
I think he is done.
Nate Davis is the young guy that needs time to develop but has potential.
Carr has major skills, or he wouldn’t have been drated 1st overall.
Hill is a great manager and makes few mistakes-however to move to the next level-that isn’t good enough. He merely gave Smith more time to develop-he served his purpose-now its time for him to go.
Frankly, it could be the end of both Hill AND Davis. I’m still hoping to see that gem of a QB fall to us in rounds 2 – 4, and if that happens I have to believe that Carr beats out Hill and player-to-be-named in April beats out Davis.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
…Obviously Carr saw a vulnerablity in Smith’s tenuous position as the starter"for now" as Sing put it(very luke warm endorsment !). Since Carr reportedly wanted to go where he thought he could become the starter.
Matt Barrows wrote this earlier today and I agree with him and with Carr’s opinion…
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“Carr likely sees vulnerability atop the 49ers’ depth chart as well.
The team is hoping that Alex Smith blossoms after being able to run the same offense for two consecutive seasons, which will be the first time that has happened in his career.
But he certainly isn’t cemented in that position like Manning is with the Giants. And while Mike Singletary has given him endorsements, they have mostly been lukewarm endorsements."
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Our roster just keeps getting better and better ! This is no blockbuster deal but it IS how to build a team,through the draft and with some upgrades through free agency.
Maybe you should have read
That Sing said he would ALWAYS say stuff like – “for now” because he wants a QB to always be competing for his job and working to make himself better instead of getting fat and comfortable. But that Alex IS the QB going forward no doubt.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
49ers needed a upgrade from hill
i don’t know yet, if this is a good signing or not , time will tell, give the man A chance, like we have done with smith and hill, just think, it didn’t cost us A lot of money. And this might just make smith A better QB. And if it doesn’t smith will be gone next. 49ers needed A change at QB
LOL that was funny
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 7, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
8 TD's 18 INT's ...that clear it up for ya?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Jake had that many TD's?
checks Yep guess he did how about that
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure what's worse..
Your demolition of Jake Delhomme’s name, or you wondering why we didn’t go after him..
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by mountaindew77 on Mar 7, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
/shoots himself in the face
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
If nothing else
This should put a fire under Alex’s a*# & make him realize this is put up or shut up time. I say it was a good choice. Reasons:
-Another former #1 draft
-Skills mostly better than Hill
-Although in a limited role he may have been starting to turn the corner in the past two years
-Was drafted to be a starting QB, which makes him a more viable possibility than Hill or Davis to take over the duties if it’s finally determined that Alex is not the QBOTF.
All in all we now have three at least decent possibilities to become QBOTF for this team.
You just said Carr and QBOTF…please don’t. He’s not having his breakthrough season in year 9 or beyond. Not happening.
Possibility doesn't mean he will be
And notice I said decent, not great and certainly not will definitely will be. Also, unless you’ve coached him, you have no way of knowing for sure that he will NEVER have a breakthrough season. If that was given fact, don’t tell Jim Plunkett that. He QB’d a SB championship team in his 10th & 13th seasons in pro football.
You did say possibility...
But if we brought in David Carr because we have concerns with Alex Smith then we’re (Site decorum)ed. I mean say it out loud: “David Carr is our insurance policy and stablizes our QB situation.” That has to sound a bit crazy to someone, right? If there were doubts on Alex then I’d hope the 49ers big move would have been: pursue Kevin Kolb as opposed to sign David Carr.
Hopefully though, Alex does well and Carr (and his mittens) sit on the sideline.
I think since you are a Texans fan, you are talking with a bias. When Carr filled in for Eli last year, he did a good job as a back up. He had a really good preseason as well.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Why would I have ill will towards Carr?
I never rooted for him to fail. However, it’s not as if he didn’t have years where there was talent. He had some decent years (04-06), but I don’t think there’s anything more than a back-up there.
This whole thread stemmed from Mango saying there were 3 possible QBOTF on the roster. I just think you know what you have in Carr: a back-up.
Willis said we had three qb’s better than Carr on the roster already…haha. He said he wanted Vick to come to SF.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Said, “it was a waste of time”.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
And then this...lol
“I heard that carr signed . He is my teammate now. Which means I’m all in for the guy. Its all about the team. CongrÀts and welcome aboard ".
This is all on Willis’ twitter site if anyone wants to look.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Goldson in his twitter said,
“I like what we got already” and then…" welcome aboard carr"
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
And he’s gonna want to get paid
Goldson hired Rosenhaus last month to help him get a monster contract from the 49ers. Goldson enters the final year of his contract. Here’s Goldson’s response to the contract: “Antrelle Rolle I wanna thank u for openin the doors… Congrats too by the way”
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Where are you getting at?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah you're right
Which backs up why I never said or inferred that David Carr is either an insurance policy or a stabilizer
a texans fan bashing carr
lol you guys had almost the same situation as us in 2005 when you guys came into the league in 2002
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
1b. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
2. Best CB available
3. Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green
by MichaelClutchtree on Mar 7, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
Equally horrible offensive lines and no receiving talent. Only difference is Carr came into the league 3 or 4 years older than Alex did.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, The missing piece to another dynasty!
This is a great move. We now have the missing piece. We don’t need a decent LT or any more O Line players. We have David Carr!
Yes!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
Football rosters are big
One position at a time. Free agent tackles usually come overpriced and with too much tread worn off.
What’s Sproles availability?
by Bob In Beaverton on Mar 8, 2010 6:29 AM PST up reply actions
Almost what you said about tackles
The chargers ended up putting a 1st & 3rd round tender on him.
by Mangoman on Mar 8, 2010 7:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Championship.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 7, 2010 6:16 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
He's going to have to change his number now
He’s been wearing #8 since his career began
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
No.8 isn't being used is it?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
The addition of David Carr is not to be blown out of proportion.
The Niners signed another Qb at the beginning of the offseason last season, and he was cut before the season. We have to wait, just like we do when it comes to FA. Let’s not blow this out of proportion.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
There’s the right response
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 7, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
David Carr > Damon Huard
The difference is that one was at the very tail end of his career. Carr stays and more than likely Hill will be released before the season starts.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Do you think
We could realistically get like a 6th or 7th round pick for Hill, assuming anyone was interested?
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
No
but Pashos signing with Cleveland means we should get a fairly decent compensatory pick for him
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
We already have one in the 6th, that would be nice if we get another one.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Possibly in the 5th?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
It all depends on what round Pashos was drafted in correct?
I wanna say I read that it was like the 5th round
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
that won't be until the 2011 draft, I think
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
drew it seems
you only answered half o that you say one is at the end of there career what is carr at???
David Carr is 30, Peyton Manning is 34, Damon Huard is 38…. does that answer your question??
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Favre is a freak of nature (not human)… doesn’t count.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Are you a commentator? Slurp much?
JK
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
Plus I wouldn't be surprised to learn he take HGH or steroids
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Smith is not a bust yet… he’s in his mid-twenties and looked good last year
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Mid 20's and played
the equivalent of 3 full healthy years including his 10 1/2 games last year. Dude is going to put people on notice next year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Really? Damn funny that tebow was declared a bust in the maling before his first NFL snap.
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
Tim Tebow
a blessing for NFL Network programmers at Indy.
by Bob In Beaverton on Mar 8, 2010 6:32 AM PST up reply actions
Tebow has individual workouts scheduled for two NFL teams
Seahawks and Bills
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
With the #6 pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Seattle Seahawks select....
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 8, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
The only other guy I'd take ahead of Carr that is on the market
is Jim Sorgi… he got to back up one of the greatest masterminds of the history of football
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Carr adds insurance for 2011
when Alex Smith is no longer under contract. The 49ers can’t assume that 1. Alex Smith will play well enough to warrant resigning as a starter in 2011, or 2. Alex will be resign if he does prove to be a quality starter.
With Smith, Carr, and Davis, the 49ers now have more talent at the QB position than any time since 1999, when Steve Young and Jeff Garcia were on the team. Lets see what the coaching staff can do with that talent.
Really good point
Even if Alex has a career year next season, there is no guarantee he will still be a 49er. If I’m not mistaken he will be a UFA after next season. The only way we “guarantee” he stays here is if we franchise him.
lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 7, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
that was cute and funny at the same time
how you put young and garcia as talented you misjudge scrappyness,and compitiveness as talent young was talented that is why he’s in the HOF but garcia was scrappy and had a big heart i’ll give him that he also played on some talented teams but by no means waz he close 2 young and ever will be but he is a pro bowler ill give gacia that ‘’’
I don't think his grammar is at all funny...
And his reading comprehension ability is grotesque.
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
Most important question is
Are we going to have another press conference scheduled?
by jveezy on Mar 7, 2010 7:20 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 7, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
There can never be another ...
… I even changed my sig to reflect that I was there.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
Welcome to the fold, brother!
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 8, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
peter king
Looks like Peter King’s astute prediction that the 49ers will draft Tim Tebow was completely off. Wonder if he will mention it in MMQB tomorrow?
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 7, 2010 7:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Carr is cheap insurance.
We all know that in spite of Singletary’s pronouncement that Smith is the starter he is a long shot to be the QB to win the Div and get us into the playoffs. Smith did make marked improvement last year he continued to show that he lacks the ability to the ball out quickly, his play action sucks, and still has issues getting the ball over the defensive line.
Although Hill did have a good start last year he faded ( I think the loss to the Vikes took the wind out of him) He may bounce back but in likely will not make the cut this year.
Nate is still unproven and may get a shot at some playing time this year he is not likely ready to fill the starting role.
So making a deal with Carr provides a stronger push for Smith and provides some sense that in a pinch the Niners have a seasoned QB that can get the job done (maybe because Camp will weed him out )
Fun Fact
David Carr is actually a year older than Shuan Hill
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
This reminds of something familiar.
In the 1980s, if I’m not mistaken, 49ers backup quarterback Jeff Kemp was vulnerable in his position behind Joe Montana, so a certain quarterback from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers signed with the 49ers and competed for that backup job. That quarterback was Steve Young.
This might be a similar situation, unless I’m mistaken.
Sort of
Except Montana and Young were good.
So far, Carr and Smith….not so much.
by Blank x2 on Mar 7, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
True
But there’s no way Young was considered good before he came to the 49ers. In his two previous seasons with TB he had ratings of 56.9 & 65.5. He never had a rating in that range again until his final season.
he wasn't even consistantly good his first years with the Super Bowl caliber Niners
WHEN HE WAS THE SAME AGE AS ALEX SMITH
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 7, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Eh
Everyone kind of knew Steve was a beast.
The Buccaneers were really that bad.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone thought Kurt Warner was done after St.Louis..
Yep, it’s not like anyone is wrong about QB evaluations or anything..
But Warner actually won a SB in STL
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
Age is a pretty big factor in that equation vs. this one
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I think skill and talent will take a back seat to age on this one...
I don’t know much about Carr, but I think either he deserves a shot. In any case we signed him so it’s all kind of pointless to debate at this point.
lol
Steve Young wasn’t 30 when he was signed.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
David Carr
As long as he doesn’t win the 2010 starter’s role (and he won’t), I’m fine with the signing.
One subtle thing I think this indicates
is a willingness and decision by Jimmy Raye (and Sing to a degree) to run a more wide open offense. Not the 3 yards and can’t get another 7 offense that we ran at the beginning of the year when Hill was under center.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 7, 2010 9:22 PM PST reply actions
You're exactly right
I don’t think we’ll be seeing much more of the run up the middle, run up the middle, pass for 1 yard short of the 1st down next season.
Bringing in Carr means they want a backup who can step in and maintain the same style of offense should Smith either get hurt or flame out spectacularly
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Carr and Alex Smith were both former #1 picks
Both QBs are in similar situation as far as their careers go.
Carr might have a slight edge because of his experience with the Texans as starting QB.
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
Well I guess I'm on the David Carr for 2010 starter bandwagon.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
^^^^^
lonely……
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 8, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
wow what if
So if traded one of our picks 4 gathier what position would play at because joe staley plays LT and gathier does to.Plus joe didn’t look good at RT we would be better if we can trade 4 a solid RT.
Carr looked good in New York
I watched the game where he came in and played for Manning and thought “Wow, he doesn’t look like he used to in Houston, he looks real good.”
I only see this as an upgrade for the 49ers. Hill did an admirable job, but we can all agree that if given another chance, he does not have the ability to lead the 49ers to the playoffs. It’s that simple.
Remember how everyone though Kurt Warner was trash after he left the Rams. It is very possible that Carr can resurrect his career here, if Alex can’t.
+1
I’m glad I wasn’t alone on this
by Mangoman on Mar 7, 2010 10:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
BTW
Off topic, just saw Joe Fonzi report on KTVU that Fargas will be paying the Niners & KC a visit. I don’t see what use we’d have for him. Hope nothing comes of it!
by Mangoman on Mar 7, 2010 10:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
pretty sure we should hang it up on spiller, regardless.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
doesn’t get any more ridiculous than this ^
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Let’s just give up on a dynamic player that can fill several holes with one pick. Good idea …
/sarcasm
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Meh.
Clearly, you’re a lot higher on Spiller than I am. Personally, I think he’ll be a pretty average NFL player. I’m not really all that keen on taking a situational player whose best attribute is that he’s “lolfast” with the 13th overall pick. It’s pretty much a unanimous agreement that Spiller is not, and likely cannot be, an every down back in this league. Even if he were, is that really what this team needs? It’s even widely open to debate as to whether or not Spiller will even be that effective in the return game. I think he’s overrated, and I consider the comparisons to Chris Johnson to be absolutely absurd.
I’m not saying that I’m completely 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt absolutely correct in this assessment, so I really don’t feel compelled to debate the point. I could be wrong. He could be awesome.
This is a tackle-heavy draft, however, and I don’t see many of those top OL prospects making it to the 17th pick. In my opinion, we stand to lose a lot more by not drafting one of those tackles in the first round than we do by passing up a change of pace backup running back with such a high value draft selection.
I’d be much more keen to addressing the offensive line and the secondary in the first round and hoping that a guy like Jahvid Best is available in the second round at either our spot or a spot that we can reasonably move up to. Again, in my opinion, Best offers just about as much as Spiller does (a back to share the load that has blazing speed and return capabilities) and he would come at a much lower price in addition to allowing us to get much better, much more useful players in the first round. Even without Best, there are other options at halfback, should we feel the need to add another player there – which, again, I’m not so sure is even necessary.
Personally, I think this is a very reasonable outlook. I’d question the merit of your choice to say that it “does not get any more ridiculous than this”.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
You do know who Carr played against right?
The Raiders.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 8, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
Who actually have a decent D-Line
not to mention Namdi. Quit trying to dig for blog fobber, and just accept the fact thaat Carr will be our backup QB for the 2010 season
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
whoops
fodder*
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
If you watched the game...
the Giants pulled Manning out of the game because the Raiders where so awful.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 8, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
The Raiders have a good passing defense, they have exceptional corners
Still thinking we should trade up for Berry!!
Yeah, defense in general actually hasn’t been their problem. It’s the fact that their offense couldn’t score against a high school team.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Let's see.
The Raiders are:
- rush defense allowing 155.5 yards/game
- total defense allowing 361.9 yards/game
- points allowed at 23.7 points/game
- in total INT’s with 8
- in yards allowed per play at 5.7 yards/play
The only thing they can set their hat on is:
- passing defense allowing 206.4 yards/game
- total sacks with 37
All in all that’s not exactly an earth-shattering defense. Thus my original intent for my post being that playing well against the Raiders isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 8, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Wow. The site messed up my post.
The Raiders are number 29 in rush defense
Are number 26 in total defense
Are number 23 in points allowed per game
Are number 31 in total INT’s
Are number 7 in yards allowed per play
Are number 7 in passing defense
Are number 11 in total sacks
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 8, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
playing behind one of the worst offenses didn't help those numbers
When you have Russell as your quarterback, the defense is gonna be on the field a long time and suffer in defensive rankings. Russell’s ‘09 stats: 12 games played, 11 int., 9 fumbles, sacked 33 times, QB rating of 50.0. Shoot, look at where the Niners ranked in total defense, 15th overall. It’s not cause the D was average, its cause our offense sucked. Needless to say, lets see what Carr can do.
I might be in the minority
But I’m OK with this signing. I’m not jumping up and down and getting all excited, but I think he’s an upgrade over Hill. And I don’t care what CSWOF has to say about it. No doubt Carr’s a bust as the number 1 overall pick, but he does provide more competition for Smith as the number 1 starting QB for the 49ers.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
You might be in the minority....
But you shouldn’t be. Your opinion is undoubtedly the correct one.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
We can't win with Hill going forward.
So we probably just upgraded the most important backup position on the team.
This does mean however that the team doesn’t think Davis is likely to be ready to even think about competing for the starting job this year. That’s a little disappointing.
This does mean however that the team doesn’t think Davis is likely to be ready to even think about competing for the starting job this year.
Really? And the fact that Davis did not take a single snap (as a QB) in practice all of last season didn’t tip you off to this?
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
Well, there's a reason I said "a little" disappointing.
In a perfect world, he’d be coming into camp with a real chance to earn the #2 QB spot, but I think signing Carr makes that unlikely.
But it’s also easy to understand where the team is coming from. If the team doesn’t make the playoffs this year, Sing and McL are both on the hot seat. I’m not sure they’d be fired, but it becomes a reasonable discussion.
So if we’re in the hunt, and Smith goes down, they want somebody they have more confidence in than Davis.That’s reasonable.
Maybe….just maybe we should have known that by his practice squad status last year and him playing DB. Probably not going to next year and the year after as well.
Guess what? There’s also the chance and possibility that Hill isn’t the one on his way out. We have no idea what the coaching staff thinks od Davis. For all we know, he’s a complete mess up at the NFL level.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
makes since 2 me..
We got David Carr… yes!(that’s weird).. but competition is the key, hope Alex steps it up now.. plus no change of gameplan if Alex goes down or fail.. the only knock on hill is arm strength which limits our playcalling so now if Carr steps in the spread can stay..
by dc49erfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Is there some kind of compilation of every David Carr sack?
That would be awesome.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
They thought about that
but the file was too big. :-)
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 8, 2010 4:27 AM PST up reply actions
NATE DAVIS IS OUR KORY SHEETS!!!!
As Bam Bam pretty much shared with the world about Carr, not thrilled with the signing, but now that he’s on the roster, gotta support him.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
I think the Bam Bam comments on Twitter are worth discussing ...
… Pat has been slammed in some quarters for those comments and ended up having to (sort of) apologise, also on Twitter. But I see what he has said throughout the Carr episode as being indicative of a born leader and winner.
And namely of one facet of his God-given leadership skills – that of supporting your team-mates through thick and thin. At the point at which Carr was first brought to the Bay Area to meet Singletary and the team, he represented a threat to Willis’ team-mates – Smith, Hill and Davis. Therefore, he was fair game. At he point at which he signs, he becomes one of those to-be-defended-at-all-costs team-mates, and Hill (probably) becomes a guy he used to know.
That, to me, is both an indicator of the harsh realities of pro sports, and also of Patrick Willis being the type of guy you would want in the trenches beside you in any situation. Twitter just brought to the fore what a team man he is and what a winner he is. The 49ers are lucky to have him – not just for his playing ability, but the person he is.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
by LondonNiner on Mar 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed..
Hey LongdonNiner… There is a good article on the teams official web page about Britt Miller that is worth checking out…
Good team have quality backups....
Hill is a fan favorite but he lacks the abilty to be a good NFL QB. There is a reason he was a 3rd stringer the majority of his career….
This is a good upgrade for the 49ers. It is important that 49ers add players to start at a few positions and provide depth if injuries happen. If they want to be a playoff team they must not have a huge drop off from there starter to 2nd stringers.
by 49er fan for life on Mar 8, 2010 3:17 AM PST reply actions
I knew that without having to look it up
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I would rather have Brunell over Hill....
Bottom line is good teams have depth at Multiple positions so there is no huge drop off when injuries occur…..
Backup QB’s, RB’s on other playoff teams:
Phi- Vick, Kolb/ McCoy, Weaver
Min- Rosenfels, Jackson/ C Taylor (not anymore)
Ari- Leinert/ B Wells
Dal- Kitna/ Jones, Choice
Much better than S Hill & Coffee don’t you agree?
by 49er fan for life on Mar 8, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
I think we got him
To teach Smith how to get sacked 60 times without getting killed
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
by wjackalope on Mar 8, 2010 8:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts
Ok i think we give Smith one more year as starter. Carr is a great backup QB and you never know he could show flashes of goodness if he gets a chance (last chances sometimes brings out the beast in a player). If Alex flops this year that means That next year i would assume niners would give Nate a shot and see what he can do. Either way if these 3 QB’s (IMO Shaun Hill is done in SF….i mean he just looks horrible in a niners uniform) improve on there game this season with a better O line then i am all for this. Again this can all blow up in ones face and we can have 3 crap QB’s that are just mediocre.
See, this is exactly why I want to see a QB drafted fairly high this season...
It’s no disrespect intended to Nate Davis, but I find it kind of appalling that so many people are just willing to simply accept the idea that if Smith flops this year, Nate Davis starting in 2011 (barring a lockout) is a perfectly acceptable scenario. That’s not the kind of plan that a real NFL team has for its future. That’s going to a casino and going all-in on your first hand with a pair of deuces. It’s a terrible, extremely high-risk, fairly limited-reward plan.
And we’re just satisfied with it???
I mean, exactly how jaded are we as fans that this seems like an acceptable course of action?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Howie, so you don't subscribe to the view ...
… that no QB would succeed behind our offensive line and we must address that high up in the draft or leave any QB we might have to be cannon fodder for defenses? I’m not necessarily expressing a view, just asking.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Not even a little.
I think that offensive line has to be our highest priority, yes. But we’re not going to spend our first five picks on tackles. There is absolutely room to draft a quarterback in the first half of the draft. I don’t support wasting a first round pick here. We need to use those first round picks on players who will be useful this season. But one pick on a QB in the middle rounds (of course, assuming one is there who is worth it) is not going to magically stop us from addressing the offensive line in a more meaningful way.
A QB we draft this season won’t be expected to do anything until 2011 at the earliest. If Smith pans out, that’s awesome. If he doesn’t, we have Carr to fall back on this season. That gives us two first round picks, and all of next season’s free agency and draft to shore up the line for any potential replacement quarterback. That is more than enough opportunity to not only draft a quarterback, but also to get the protection he needs should we have to call on him in the future.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Also, don’t you agree that it’s better to have a guy in this year who can take a season to develop than to draft a guy in one or two years who will just have to jump right into the fire again like Smith did in 2005?
This team needs to plan for the future at quarterback. And they have done nothing to do that since 2005. It’s shameful, in my opinion.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree with any of that, but ...
… and again, I’m just asking rather than expressing a view because your knowledge is greater than mine, but how do we know at this stage that Davis is NOT the guy that you outline, ie a mid-to-late draft pick who could be ready in one or two years?
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
We don’t specifically know that Davis isn’t that guy. All we know is that he didn’t impress the coaches enough to warrant more than one day’s worth of practice at the position. We know his college success came against weak opponents. We know that he has struggled with the playbook. We know that by draft day nobody in the league scouted him particularly well. And we know that he was lucky not to get a practice squad assignment last year.
The only positives he has are really 1) Not being Alex Smith, 2) Having mild success playing against NFL scrubs, 3) at one point being scouted somewhat well, 4) Not being Alex Smith, and 5) being a complete unknown.
I think we’re all so high on Nate Davis for exactly the reason that I’m complaining about: He’s the first young player we’ve seen at the position since we drafted Smith. He’s a modicum of hope. But there really isn’t anything in his history to suggest that he’s more than that. I mean, it’s like Giants fans going crazy for Todd Linden a few years ago. Was he really worth all the rah-rah? Not even. Was he the first homegrown guy we’d seen with a shred of talent in a very long time? Yes. Yes he was.
My fear with Davis is that he’s a complete unknown. There is absolutely no reliable scouting report on him except that he was drafted in the fifth round and doesn’t even have practice experience. I’m sorry if that doesn’t inspire me to jump out of my pants at the possibility that he’ll turn into something special.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
And his production at Ball State wasn’t even all that great. Not by college standards.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
middle round QB's don't pan out very often though
I would go after a top guy if available, but draft history shows you are as likely to get a quality QB late or as an UDFA than in the middle rounds.
Plus they have Nate Davis who has a year in the system and didn’t look totally lost last pre-season. I’m not a believer, but I don’t see why these schlubs are going to be any better either.
by microwave donut on Mar 8, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I’ve been saying rounds 2 – 4 as a general spread. There are plenty of examples of second rounders who have been very good, so you’re not cutting your odds severely by playing a second round pick on a quarterback. If I guy can’t get scouted in the third round or better, the risk is probably getting to an unfair point. I’d have to see some more history on round success, but I’d be happy to say rounds 2-3, and to cut out round 4 altogether. Those aren’t quite mid-round picks at that point and still give us the luxury of using our first round picks for something more immediate.
All this is highly speculative anyway. For all I know, by the time we pick in the second round every desirable quarterback will be gone. But I really don’t think I would complain if we landed any of the quarterbacks scouted in the first three rounds. Even, as hard as it is to say (and it is very, very hard to say), picking McCoy or Tebow wouldn’t kill me in the third round. I don’t like either player, but I can’t deny that both of them are very high upside prospects.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Singletary has sacked him 15 times already.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
by SSreporters on Mar 8, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Carr gets pretty good money for a backup
2 years $6.25 million with another $1.87 mllion worth of guarantees
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
That contract just put Smith on notice. Wonder how Hill feels about those numbers.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Hill's contract
3 years, $6 million with a $2 million signing bonus with $5.5 million available through incentives.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
anyone see this as keep-away from the cards?
maybe its just me but it would probly be worth 2 million guaranteed to keep some guy you MIGHT look at as a threat in AZ, as opposed to pretty boy matt down there.
other than that i dont really care either way. i liked hill cause he looked like he enjoyed beer.
PAYBACK FOR WARNER!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
That could be one reason. Another is if the FO have faith in Hill to execute the passing attack the team wants. Probably not. Carr has some talent and throws a nice ball.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know why...
But I REALLY like this move…I think that Carr, somewhat like Smith, was a product of his crappy situation. I actually like him better than Smith for some reason. Watching some of his old games, he could actually throw the ball pretty well he just never had an o-line…this might get interesting later.
I hear ya
He’s got a decent to good arm. He seems to have the presence of mind to pull the ball down and run when the situation calls for it & with good results (nine career rushing TD’s for a QB). He even had a completion percentage of over 68% in his last year as a starter. And that was behind what I understand was a line that was worse than ours! So he seems to at least have been learning to make the most out of nothing. Maybe if we can give him some protection he can now live up to some of his potential.
Man ive then been gave up on sabean ooh i mean scott.
Do they fill carr and his isatonas was THE most sought after qb in a horrible free agency period this didn’ make no sense its like there paying him where he was drafted and the potential they may feel he has left. I don’t want 2 put all on carr but by paying that you automaticly put a huge bulls eye on his back when where as trying 2 sturdy up this line would be cool you know right nowv im puffing on humboldt counties finest i cant even get pissed of right yall take it from drew ,rlott42 my patna mangoman
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