Golden Nuggets: Riveting free agency period, this one.
by Ninjames on Mar 8, 2010 3:00 AM PST
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Mornin', folks. So yesterday the 49ers agreed to terms with free agent QB David Carr, in a movie scientists are calling 'lame'. I'm neutral toward the move. I suppose it makes sense for Carr to be the backup so the offense doesn't have to change if Alex Smith goes down to injury, but at the same time Shaun Hill is a winner. He's proven that when he steps into a game situation from a backup role that he can win. I guess the fact that I also like Hill as a person is swaying my judgement, though. As far as links go, I don't have many but I'll post what I have. As always, let me know if I've missed a link by posting it in the comments. I'm in a hurry so I'm going to jump right into them.
As stated, QB David Carr signed with the 49ers just yesterday. Thoughts? (SacBee.com)
Carr's arrival to the team spells trouble for backup Shaun Hill. I like Hill, and don't think the transition to Carr was necessary, but again I do understand for the most part. (SacBee.com)
OT Tony Pashos signed with the Cleveland Browns yesterday as well. A lot of people on here wanted him to stick around, I'm fine with him gone. (SacBee.com)
OT Jared Gaither could be the beginning of the second wave of free agency. I'd like the team to get him, but at the same time I'd much rather keep those first two picks and try and go after Jermon Bushrod instead. (SacBee.com)
So the Seahawks are interested in working out QB Tim Tebow... Alright, then. (ESPN.com)
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Gaither is a stud.
I would definitely be fine with the niners giving up one first round pick for him as we are most likely going to be taking a tackle with one of those picks anyways. Why not get a pro bowl caliber player with that pick with no guess work involved, he is only 23.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
He was in an accident sustaining head and neck injuries, it would be a tough call to make, especially since we have Staley at LT for relatively cheap.
I would rather use the 2nd rounder on bushrod to play RT.
If Goldson wants to be paid more than Rolle, offer him up in the deal for E Berry please.
David Carr
As a Giants fan, I was totaly unenthusiastic when the Giants signed Carr two years ago. He left Houston with a terrible reputation and was a disaster in his one year in Carolina.
When he started with the Giants, he was clearly shellshocked; there were reports that he flinched when the ball was snapped. However, he worked hard & got his head back together. In effect, he relearned how to play QB.
Eli is an iron man and the face of the franchise, so Carr had few chances to play in the regular season. However, he was always ready, and when he did go in, he did well. Giants fans (most of them, anyway) came to trust him, and now we are upset that he is gone. We don’t know where we will get a backup who is as good.
He is athletic – he can run and throw on the run – and has a strong arm. He is good enough to start somewhere. I have to believe that he was promised a chance to compete; otherwise he could have gone to Cleveland, which is desperate for a real QB and has a good OL.
I wish him the best.
Mickey C
Finally
Somebody is speaking on what i brought up the other day theres no way this dude takes all the hits he took and not be gun shy.Look at bulger after he start taking all those hits you could whistle at him and he would throw the ball away not 2 mention i hate quaterbackis that wear gloves thats a pet peeve i can’t get over.
lol lol
Lol lol lol even though i hate to admit it its so obvious that i didn’t read all of mickey cees comment . Lol dude can’t do nothing but laugh can i use the exscuse of the lenght of mickies comment lol .Nah my bad and i would like to take this time to give carr a olive branch and see how this works out for us.
No you can't "use the exscuse of the lenght of mickies comment!"
Because you write very long unreadable comments!
I read your comments this time because I am bored; usually I don’t.
I do not believe you are incapable of writing a readable paragraph; I think you are just plain lazy.
Appreciate your insight
I think a good part of the lukewarm to cold reactions are due to not observing the detail of Carr’s performance as of late. I’m actually kind of looking forward to seeing what he can do.
true dat mangoman
But i think kurt start wearing his after his superbowl run i could be wrong but honestly i can’t remember seeing his on until he was in new york.Either way i hated his to to me it cheapins the art of quaterbacking but hey if he wins he can wear surgical gloves i want agree but i will accept.
I figured Houston ruined him
I’m hoping we didn’t ruin Alex Smith. So far, I think we’re making some amends. I also hope that our OL problems doesn’t cause Carr to regress.
Nice try...
If you haven’t noticed….Smith IS ruined! Beyond repair. Somthing we in the Mil call F.U.B.A.R.! (F@cked Up Beyond All Recognition.) I’ll admit….I am a leading driver of the “Get Rid Of Alex Smith” wagon. The guy is done. Period. IMHO the only reason the Niners HAVEN"T gotten rid of him by now is 2 fold. 1) He is always conveniently hurt when it’s time to step in and shine. 2) He would cost the Niners a BAY-full of cash in oder to get rid of his services. Restructured contract and all. Just the thought of putting Carr behind our O-Line makes me think of putting a poodle in a dogfight with a Doberman and a Pitbull! Just plain wrong. Unless you also enjoy 30 car pileups!
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I hope it spells trouble for Nate Davis
I’s rather have Smith, Carr, and Hill.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Really?
Why so down on Davis? He’s the only QB out of the four of them that might be above average some day. Smith, Carr, and Hill are damn near interchangeable.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Bleh on Davis. He had a few good passes in preseason against guys you aren’t employeed by the NFL and a couple back ups. Rewatching his highlights, I’m far from sold. Prediction: Davis gone soon.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Oh ye of little faith....
It shocks me how many folks are so willing to pass up on players who haven’t even had the opportunity to touch the playing field and call them “busts” because of it. Meanwhile, they are all to happy to sing the praises of guys who have shown absolutely nothing! Of the 3 players at QB for the Niners, only Hill has shown the ability to play at a consistant rate. His only detraction is a noodle arm. On the flip side, you have Alex Smith and David Carr who between the 2 of them have shown that they only possess POTENTIAL for greatness. HOWEVER, this IS the NFL….and potential means squat! Alex hasen’t progressed any further than his rookie season and Carr…..well….let’s just say I hope he is good at selling cars! You took the opportunity to bash Nate Davis, a guy who has only been in the league since last years draft. And yet, you wanna bury him already? What gives? Come on Drew….get with it….Of the guys currently on the roster, ONLY Davis has a bonafied excuse not to have succeeded. Let’s see what he does in an actual game before we put Nate in the ground. Oh, and in keepeing with YOUR standards of rating….Nate’s POTENTIAL out shines all the rest by lightyears.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Now darkk starr1
Just finish asking drew the same thing its like now that carr is the writing is on the wall for hill.Hill had a chance to work on his game after sings interm year he did’nt he came back to camp the same pudgy bad foot work qb with a noodle arm.I’ll give tebow credit at least he’s heard the whispers about his game and he took the oppertunity to fix it if it works thats another story but he tried.As for hill he had a chance nate has’nt and his upside looks a hell lot betters than hill’s just on athletic ability alone lol you starting to sound like a hater drew.
Agree!
Skelton looks like a better project QB and he can be had in the same round they drafted Davis. Hell, I’d take Tebow in the 3rd round as a project over Davis. Was never happy with the Nate Davis pick.
Please..
..no Tebow. We already have enough tight ends.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Did you watch the same pre-season that I did last year?
Granted it was in the 4th quarters against primarily nobody’s but he was badass. P.S. so was Kory Sheets
I don’t see how that’s relevant.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
If my draft hopes come true, I imagine that it will spell trouble for both Hill and Davis. I can’t see Hill beating out Carr, and I can’t see Davis beating out a mid-round draft pick. Which would be too bad in a way. Davis is an intriguing prospect, and Hill is a likeable fellow. But we’re probably better off for it in both cases, if only marginally so.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
You think we’ll draft a QB this year after we currently have 4? I think the signing of Carr negates the possibility of a mid round draft pick on a QB. It’s possible but I dont think it’s probable anymore.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
I said that I still hope we do. I have no idea what to actually expect. Frankly, I think the team still needs to invest in another legitimate long-term option, and also frankly, it’s a very long shot that Davis can actually be that guy. To me, the draft pick still makes sense. But with a loaded depth chart, I know it’s not so cut and dry.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, not to be a big whiny priss about it, but the team has done basically nothing whatsoever to suggest that it has any plans post-Smith since the day we drafted him. Nothing at all. I’m a little sick of it. Davis is a huge longshot and Carr is a glorified backup. If Smith fails, I want plan B on the roster this season. Not next season. Not two seasons from now.
Come on 49ers Brass, stop dicking around! That’s what I say. Don’t wait for an experiment to fail before you set up your safety net. Have the darn net in place to begin with. If there’s one thing I really think the front office needs to be criticized for, it’s for having such an unbelievable lack of foresight with regard to the quarterback position. Really, before Nate Davis, the last quarterback we drafted was… Alex Smith?
We’ve known since 2006 that we might have to abandon Alex Smith one day, and our best plan for a plan B that entire time has been Trent Dilfer?
Absolutely unacceptable, to my mind. Absolutely ridiculous.
I want Smith to get his shot next year, but I’m sick and tired of our plan B being some glorified backup. Bring in a real, young talent. Do it now. Don’t wait. I’m tired of waiting.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I want Smith to get his shot next year…
By which I meant “this” year. I keep forgetting that it’s 2010 already.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
What
Theres not a quaterback in this draft that i would take a chance on i know alot of people on here are looking for the next ‘’ great white hope ’’ or hype..You choose but you go dig in the draft for a rookie when you have young quaterback who been practicing the .Toffense for a full season.I hate 2 say it again but its a black thing lol he has’nt showed nothing in his game 2 say no he’s not the future.To be honest he played better than alex and shaun in pre-season and people still hate now its like we got to get somebody in the draft if its not a black thing tell me what it is about nate you don’t like ??
you have young quaterback who been practicing the .Toffense for a full season
That’s the thing, though, He hasn’t been practicing the offense for a full season. He’s been reading the playbook, but he only practiced at quarterback for one day. In fact, he only even practiced on offense for one day. Other than that, he’s been working almost exclusively as a defensive back for the scout team.
So it’s not a black thing. And, frankly, I trust Singletary not to make it a “black thing” either. He really, honestly, has absolutely no experience whatsoever that he can be evaluated on. His production at Ball State was okay, but not great, considering his competition, and he hasn’t managed to earn any meaningful experience in practice from the coaches.
I mean, he’s a long-term project at best. And right now, he’s a long-term project who is still learning Jimmy Raye’s playbook.
Excuse me for saying that It’s not an encouraging resume. For anybody. At all.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Thats may be true
But im not somebody that jumped on nate’s band wagon because he is on the niners thats were you might misinterp that i watch nate his last two years at ball.st .Im not going 2 throw up his yearly stats that just not me but im surprised as many as this argument has came up that someone has’nt put up nate’s college stats and if you say that was in coilege well he has’nt had a fair shake at quaterback hell jt o’sullivan got a longer look then he did.His college stats is off the charts he can make every throw that you ask of him and he looked good when ‘’ he got a chance ’’ in pre-season.So it seems like plain old hating but not based on talen or potential its i just don’t like him and thats not fair period !!!
His stats at Ball State weren’t off the charts. I could probably list 10 to 15 guys from the last college season alone who had better numbers than Davis did in his best season. A good season for a college quarterback is almost astronomical by “NFL” standards. It’s easy even for bad quarterbacks to put up good numbers in college (See: Riley, Kevin). And the only way you can really have a good idea of what the college numbers mean without being a professional scout is if 1) They came in a pro system, and 2) they came in a major Division I conference.
Since I’m not a professional scout and Nate Davis’s college career doesn’t fit that criteria, the best I have to go on is “not astronomical numbers, not scouted well, and not given practice reps.”
You have a slight advantage over me because you apparently watched him play in college. I won’t fight you on that. I’m just saying that based on what I, personally, know, there isn’t a whole heck of a lot to get excited about.
Which isn’t to dismiss the idea that he could be great. He could be. I honestly believe that and I honestly hope for it. But I don’t see much of a reason to think it’s going to happen.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
2010 QB Roster
Starter: Hill (2009) to Smith
Backup: Smith to Carr
Project: Davis to Robinson (Round 7)
by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 8, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
hey drew
Can you tell me why you don’t like nate davis because ive seen you in multiple comments lets say you really don’t care for him .Because he has’nt got close to a chance to a fair chance to even put doubt in my head.
None of us understand Drew K’s evaluation of Nate Davis.
It’s not as though Drew K is picking on Nate Davis. For all players, he either thinks the player is good or a complete waste of time . . . he thinks Davis is a complete waste of time.
I tend to agree with DrewK
though Drew is a bit more black and white when it comes to his opinions than I am.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I'd be willing to see us give up a 1st for Gaither
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Lets Get Both
So we know O-Line is where we need help, why not sign Gaither and Bushrod? Yeah we drop a 1st and 2nd round pick but we still have another 1st round decently early. We therefore solidify our line problems and go for a safety or change of pace RB with return skills AKA CJ Spiller. 9ers going to the SB with this crew!!
I just wanted to weigh in on the whole David Carr thing...
Person A: “AAAACHOOOO! – Well, that was quite a sneeze”
Person B: “AAAACHOOOO! – Holy crap… I think I have SARS.”
Person A: “Hey, that’s cool. The first lottery number matches my card. Better wait and see the rest of them.”
Person B: “OMFG I WON THELOTTERY”
Person A: “Oh, the 49ers signed David Carr. Doesn’t really mean anything.”
Person B: “THIS IS THEBIGGEST NEWS STORY EVER!”
The 49ers are shuffling backup quarterbacks. Big deal. Excuse me while I yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. I hope I don’t have narcolepsy.
I have to admit. I’ve seen some very reasonably Person A people on these boards. A lot of you, in fact. And for you people, good job. I’ve also seen those Person B people, and I’ve listened to some more in real life.
It’s a non-story. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. Man, I can’t stop yawning about it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
You should really get those yawns checked out
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 8, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Three things
Sorry, I’m not trying to make this a daily feature, it’s just a personal thing.
Hill-In a way it’s disappointing because most of us grew to like the guy. He overcame very long odds to become the starter for us for the equivalent of a full season and ended up 10-6. Not bad at all. However, I think he was too “safe” to put us into the next level. It’s like saying, “I’m gonna make sure I don’t mess up my driving record, so I’m going to drive no further than a block today.” Compared to “I’m gonna make it all the way across the country. Yeah I may get a ticket or two or get into an accident, but I’m gonna get there somehow.” I’d rather take the latter.
Pashos/Gaither-Just for s*^#s & giggles, what do we know about the two tackles on our roster that are basically rookies, Boone & Patrick. I only ask this because I think we pretty much have a true dilemma on our hands on the T issue. I know that Boone should have been one of the top prospects coming out of Ohio State. I’ve only seen a handful of highlights from when he was there and he looked fairly solid. Chris Patrick seems small for a T, 6’4", 280. But he did come from a Big 12 school (Nebraska). You know what they say about Nebraska corn-fed boys. Maybe he can play a little if given a chance?
Tebow in SEA-Yeah go figure. But you never know. With the possible end coming for Hasselbeck and IMHO a non-QBOTF in Wallace, they might have a plan for him. Tebow might fit right into whatever they’ve got up their sleeves. All I can say is I’m glad we’ve got nothing to do with that.
This has to be the end of the line for Davis. The guy can’t read, I don’t want to think about him being the QB.
by Ken Williams on Mar 8, 2010 9:01 AM PST via mobile reply actions
why would davis go?
he has 10x more potential then shaun hill has, even if he has a problem learning. He has way better arm, can move in the pocket if needed, and is younger. I know 1 of these quarterbacks have to go because 4 on one team makes no sense, but if i had to bet id say Hill is the one to go.
Why would the Niners keep a player who they view as a back-up to a back-up. At least they view Davis as a potential starter, even if it is along shot
I can’t guarantee that Hill would go before Davis, but I’d basically guarantee it. There’s no reason to keep Hill with Carr on the roster. At least Davis has a little bit of long-term upside.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
2010 Salary Comp
Davis: $395,000
Hill: $1.5 million
Davis is basically a cheap lotto ticket: low odds of success, but low cost. Hill has no upside, but appears to be an acceptable backup. Give or take a little arm strength, Hill = Carr.
I guess this is just a long winded way of saying I agree with you.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 8, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Statistically, Hill and Carr are probably pretty darn comparable. Just glancing at their career / year-by-year stats, their production is fairly identical. 2004 Carr was basically the same as 2008 Hill. 2009 Hill was about as bad as or worse than anything Carr’s done (just with fewer interceptions). Hill’s hard to evaluate because he really was damaged by Raye’s playcalling. Carr is hard to evaluate because he really was damaged by getting the tar beat out of him in Houston.
Carr scouts better. Hill seems to maximize his own potential a little better. Carr probably has better upside, but at this point it’s probably about as limited as Hill’s own. Carr fits the system better, and that’s probably what it comes down to in the end.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
He’s dyslexic. Ken Williams was either exaggerating or just being extremely obtuse and insensitive. Nate Davis can read. He just has a disability that makes it extremely difficult for him to read quickly. It takes him longer to read and he can sometimes get confused while reading, but that’s pretty much all there is to it. It’s not a big deal and it honestly shouldn’t effect his ability to play football. The only possible negative is that it causes him to take longer to assimilate a playbook.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Shaun Hill ?
Shaun Hill is not quite a winner he is a game manager. He will not win you a game but won’t give it away either. We saw how far that got us last year when we got down by 14 points. Shaun hill can not throw the ball downfield which makes even a 10 point deficit insurmountable. David Carr is a hell of a lot better than Shaun Hill and it is not yet seen how good he can be. He spent his first few years without an offensive line. Even with being pressured 80% of the time he dropped back and leading the league in sacks he still managed to put up 3500 yards with a weak offense. Coming to the bay is a great chance for Carr. He gets to battle with an average at best QB for a starting position. It’s funny how everybody is jumping on Smith’s bandwagon after one decent season where a majority of his touchdowns were weak spot passes to davis running a post down the middle. Smith lacks the poise and vision to be a good QB in this league. Im stoked on the idea of Carr coming to S.F. , Can’t get any worse than Hill. Oooops sorry I forgot about bumbling fumbling Osullivan.
well
i think hill is gone carr might be able to beat smith out of the job and davis is going to be kept in the background wacthing how not to play qb.
???
I wonder i we could trade shaun hill for a 6th or 7th round pick to cleveland man-genious had chad pennington and him and hill have a few things in favor.They both have noodle arms and un athletic and that would be a upgrade 2 what they have right now.
From vatoff:
Dont hate on Carr he has a rifle arm and really like Smith was put in a bad position when drafted by Texas. Most sacks against a QB in the years in Texas. Not his fault. If given the chance he can lead the Niners to a Western conference championship. Then who knows anything can happen. Iam sure Smith will be given the chance first and if he can do the job that will be great. If not Carr could be the man.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
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