Mc Boo Foo - its your time to shine or go
by Italia1970 on Mar 8, 2010 9:18 PM PST
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PrintAs everyone knows-I have been calling for this guy's head for the last 2 years.
He has CONSISTENTLY ignored the need on the Oline and still lacks a pass rusher with more than 6 sacks. This type of moronic behavior is the main reason why the team missed the playoffs this year.
Additionally, the draft picks the team has taken have been less than stellar. Here are the first 4 rounds of the draft for the last four years. Great GM's get about 4 starters a year out of the draft.
2009 Crabtree, Coffee
2008 Balmer, Rachel, Reggie Smith, Cody Wallace
2007 Willis, Staley, Jason Hill, Ray McDonald, Jay Moore
2006 Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Brandon Williams
As you can see we currently have 6 starters and Moore who plays 3rd down. This is not sufficient to keep things moving in the right direction.
Here are a few other questionable moves:
Baas was a 2nd round pick 5 years ago who is another 1 that hasn’t fulfilled his potential.
Coffee was a 3rd round pick last year and is so good they are talking about drafting another RB with an early round pick.
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??
Mc Boo Foo needs to get his act together or head out the door. He has NO EXCUSE to not address the MAJOR needs of Oline, Corner, Pass Rusher, Safety, and punt returner in this draft. Its time he starts hitting on more than 2 picks a year on average.
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Had you read article you wouldnt have
by hudd07 on Mar 9, 2010 3:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
he had me at Mc boo Foo
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
It is, I agree with the headline 100%
Read the content and you’ll see how ridiculous his argument is.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Baas wasn't drafted by McC
you can’t blame him for that. Also he was GM until 2008. I think that almost everybody would agree that 2 years isn’t enough time to determine busts or not. And for Jay Moore, he was on IR for 2 years in a row and then he signed to the Rams in September. “Great GM’s get about 4 starters a year out of the draft”. Where/who is that from? Is it even proven?
Now I know you have the right to complain and you’re not extremely happy with the FO, but you need to get more of your facts straight to make a more valid point.
Go 49ers
I think I’ve heard 1 starter from the 1st 2 rounds, 1 starter from rounds 3-5 every year and 1 starter in round 6-7 every 2 years as a standard for some stat or another.
by hellaninersfan on Mar 9, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, this article doesn't include a lot of good players chosen later over those years
Parys Haralson, Delanie Walker, Dashon Goldson, Tarall Brown, Josh Morgan, Nate Davis, and this years 17th overall pick. That brings the total to 9/10 starters plus a few more key role players. Plus, whoever they get with the 17th pick (probably another starter). Not bad for 4 drafts.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Scot "McBooFoo" will be gone as soon as the Yorks need to blame somebody for their
…own failure to create opportunity for their team that they are ultimately responsible for.
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 8, 2010 10:39 PM PST reply actions
When they go to the playoffs next year are you still going to trash talk the York’s? Are you just here to pretty much troll on the Yorks?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
What if the 49ers don't?....
it’s not like the Yorks have had a real plan throughout all of this.
Well, we're waiting....
Honestly, it seems like the Yorks’ plan for the past four or so years has been “let the GM and coach handle the team.”
If we’re going to criticize roster planning, we have to stop taking shots at the Yorks and start taking shots at McLoughan. But if we’re going to criticize front office personnel… well, then, fire away at the Yorks.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
But when you have..
inexperience (Nolan) having double duty to rebuild a franchise, that goes to the people who hired him in the first place. Not only that, but the GM is part of the previous failure (Nolan again), then I don’t see a real plan here.
This is ScotM’s critical year, and like I’ve said in the past, the offense will determine his fate like it did Nolan.
Well, we're waiting....
I’m just saying that there is a distinction that needs to be made here. If the Yorks just made a bad hiring, that’s not a colossal ownership sin and things can be fixed whenever they fire McLoughan. But if they are chronically bad at hiring people, then that is.
That’s the only distinction I’m drawing here. Maybe it’s a minor distinction, but it’s one that I get bothered by people glossing over for some reason.
And just to be clear, I have no argument if you think that the Yorks will just hire a long line of schmucks after McLoughan because they’re bad owners. I just think a lot of people who only take issue with things McLoughan has done, and transfer that to ownership without any translation.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
I man, I really have to start spelling his name with two C’s.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 8, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
I man also really have to be starting to talk normal person.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Well...
They are on their 4th HC, their 3rd GM, since they have had control of the franchise. Honestly, John York was ill equipped to take over a franchise in turmoil, yet the positive is that despite the “cheap” label bestowed upon him (that was really started within the organization itself with disgruntled players and staff), he has straightened out the books. Of course, I LOL’d during the Carr presser when the beat guys had no food to eat (whereas Eddie always had a killer spread), but the real improvement that John York did with the team was balancing costs.
But that still hasn’t translated into success on the field. Most of that is due to a lot of transition in the FO and coaching staff, and that comes from the ownership.
It’s Jed’s team now. It’s really up to him now, but the holdover of influence is still on ScotM, and he is there to not make too much waves that will undermine and damage Jed’s budding reputation. The 49ers are really in no position to truly clean house, thus, the extension of the Nolan regime going forward, without Nolan.
Well, we're waiting....
To add...
One of the things that grabs me about the Nolan hire was that Nolan sold them pretty hard on what his envisioned, despite the philosophical alignments between Jim Schwartz and Marathe. Marathe could have been the 49er GM (he has done a terrific job with contracts) now if York hadn’t equated Nolan’s legacy with the team with future success. Marathe\Schwartz? Florida Danny would have a job with the 49ers right now if that had happened.
Well, we're waiting....
That seems like a fair assessment to me, whatever my feelings on the situation are.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Scot has done a bad job. Why would you want to blame Scot for selecting talent?
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Because he’s the GM and selecting talent is expressly his job.
Oh wait… it’s you. Nevermind.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Mike Nolan is not the coach anymore drummer. Singletary is. They hired Singletary based on his performance on his internship as HC. You can say all you want about the York’s or whoever else you want, that’s your right. But the Niners finally seem to be headed in the right direction and if they make the playoffs there’s going to be an awful lot of people eating crow around here. There are plenty of things that this front office has been doing to put this football club in a position to win. Some teams have just had better streaks of good luck and that’s what it boils down to.
You think that if Roethlisberger get’s convicted of rape that all of the sudden their fans are going to turn rabid on The Rooney Family? No. You know why? Cause they have loyal fans that support their head coaches, front office, and team. Stuff happens sometimes that is out of the front offices control. It’s a fact of life. There is good luck and bad luck. Certain choices are made for better or for worse sometimes but that’s just the way it goes. You’re either on board or you aren’t. Simple.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Also, If Roethlisberger goes down, Dixon will save that team. :P
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
DENNIS DIXON WAS THEIR FUTURE!!!
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
WAS AND IS!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Ummm...
The current regime is still a Mike Nolan regime, sans Nolan. Without Nolan, you would not have Singletary, or ScotM.
Well, we're waiting....
That’s not the point… he is gone, meaning no longer with the franchise. Scot M was highered and moved over to GM by the FO, not a coach. Singletary earned his position, he wasn’t promoted by Nolan.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Well...
One would think that Nolan had a lot to do with Sing being there in the first place, and really, it was Nolan who gave Sing a vote of confidence. Sing said it himself in the beginning that all he was doing going forward is trying to finish what his friend started. Nolan is big reason why Singeltary is now a head coach. Nolan brought him in, made him his assistant Head Coach, because Nolan believed in him. During the transition, Nolan was the guy who told him that he could do it.
If you still don’t think Nolan’s hand prints are still all over this team, then you really aren’t paying much attention.
Well, we're waiting....
No kiddin' these are his players and coaches with some minor additions. Minor as in number of players and coaches added or deleted.
If he falls to 7, we'd be better off trading up.
1a E Berry, 2a Robinson (FSU CB), 2b J Valdheer, 3a. Mike Johnson, 3b DeMaryius Thomas, 4 Owusu-Ansah, 6 Brandon Banks, 7 Jamar Chaney
TWO FIRSTS USED
Disagree
Singletary is a big reason why he is a head coach. Nolan was the crutch to help him get there
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
So it wasn't Sing on his own?
Coach has a lot to do with players drafted, If not who’s to blame for all of the bad picks on this teams.
If he falls to 7, we'd be better off trading up.
1a E Berry, 2a Robinson (FSU CB), 2b J Valdheer, 3a. Mike Johnson, 3b DeMaryius Thomas, 4 Owusu-Ansah, 6 Brandon Banks, 7 Jamar Chaney
TWO FIRSTS USED
Nolan was not in charge of player personel so I credit the front office for all the good players we have on this team. He was a coach.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
Well...
I will stop telling you how wrong you are on this, due to it being clear that you just don’t want to see the truth.
Well, we're waiting....
See what truth?
So you are telling me the FO just sits on their hands and collects paychecks while the coach runs around like a chicken with its head cut off doing EVERYTHING? People have their jobs and have their places in line. Coaches have some say-so of course but it is not always the final verdict. And that’s the truth
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
But not knowing who the trigger man is, kinda puts both sides away from the truth, doesn't it?
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
What you're missing here...
Is that Nolan had the final say in everything. Including like say, demanding a guy like Hal Leneghan get hired.
Well, we're waiting....
How do you know that drummer? Do you work for the 49ers?
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
Yeah, seriously. I want to know how you know all this inside information if you arent in those rooms with them.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
How about this...
Reading and listening to the local media in real time during the times they came up. Basically, following the team.
It’s there dude. Just take a look back. Teh internetz can be a beautiful thingz.
Well, we're waiting....
Yeah I follow the team too and pay very close attention. Good call with the flimsy rebutal though.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
Actually I heard that too Nolan had all the final in personal decisions then the stripped him and gave that power to Scott
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 9, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
It says that everything was joint decisions between McCloughan (upper management) and Nolan (Head coach). Which is exactly what I said above.
Nolan, who previously had the final say on all football decisions, and McCloughan will continue to make joint decisions on every issue for the 49ers (5-11), even though McCloughan now has "the trigger," as Nolan put it.
Nolan was only the coach for the 49ers for 3 seasons. It’s not like he was there long enough to have his hand prints all over the team. Did he help bring some guys in? Sure. Did he make every single call during his short stint? No.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
He made enough to set us back though.
He selected a new OC every year, or at least a bad OC and then selected those who had HC written all over them.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Make that 3 and a half seasons..
Which would mean 4 off-seasons, and even in the 4th, he brought in Martz, to which before ScotM said wasn’t a consideration.
Well, we're waiting....
I don’t know how the conversation even evolved to this anyway when this was my original comment at the top:
When they go to the playoffs next year are you still going to trash talk the York’s? Are you just here to pretty much troll on the Yorks?
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
Different comments and reactions
You’re welcome.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Some people can stay on topic other can’t…that’s how I see it
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
It was on topic..
Your point was addressed, and you just didn’t agree with it, that’s all. Everyone else sees the point but you.
Well, we're waiting....
Uh… the original point was about the Yorks, playoffs, etc… you brought Nolan in to the convo for whatever reason.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
Yeah, well...
Being that they hired Nolan to rebuild the team as he saw fit kinda sheds a little more light on the subject.
Well, we're waiting....
Obviously you like to stay stuck on the past and not see what they’re doing now (current events)
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
Prelude!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I heard that too.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Drew
It was his title when he was hired.
He didn’t lose it until 2007, I believe.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
OH COME ON!!!!!!!!
You wanna praise the Yorks for making Singletary their head coach? Do you have a prescription for that “medicinal” grass in California? Let’s face facts, the real reasons the Yorks hred “Samurai” Mike was 1)He was already on payroll. They didn’t have to work out a contract for him and simply got the guy to move offices. 2) Hiring another coach in the middle of the season OUTSIDE the organization was simply suicide! There’s no way possible anyone else (including guy like Tony Dungy, Bill Belicheck, or evne CHUCK NOLL could’ve turned that team of Niners around when Singletary came onboard. 3) What else would you have done for a coach who ended up winning 4 of the last 6 games left in the season but make him THE MAN?! Mike earned his position as Head Coach by getting the team to believe in himself and each other when the chips were down the most.
As for the Yorks, I think the hsitory of the Niners since they took over has proven they simply aren’t worth a flip as owners. Period! first off, it was because of the crimainl charges brough t against Eddie D. that he GAVE the team over to his sister Denice, that started the downfall. And that was to keep the team outta the clutches of the gov’ment in the case his trial didn’t go so well. She then gave control over to her husband to run. Kinda like the ultimate wedding gift! Jed had/has NO idea of how to run a team. It’s not his forte. Nuff said. as for Scotty McC., I think it’s safe to say he has ruined,I mean, run his course. The guy simply doesn’t know how to evaluate talent. The guys who have shown promise and performed well, were no brainer choices. Crabtree? No brainer. Vernan Davis, the same. Willis, Staley and Lawson? All high picks. The shine of the old niners (aside from Eddie D spending whatever it took to get good players and no salary cap) was Carmen Policy’s ability to find relavent talent DEEP in the draft. Not just the first few rds. THAT is the true test of the worth of a GM. To get the people on the team who can step in and keep the engine running even when the main guys fall down. Scotty McC has failed miserably!
P.S.: You bring up Bid Ben’s current problem and how it affects the Steelers? If Scotty McC had been in charge, do you HONESTLY think the team would’ve had the forethought to draft Dixon? I doubt it.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Do you have a prescription for that "medicinal" grass in California?
Classy.
1)He was already on payroll. They didn’t have to work out a contract for him and simply got the guy to move offices.
Singletary was given a 4 year contract after the Redskins game (week 17 of the 2008 season).
Hiring another coach in the middle of the season OUTSIDE the organization was simply suicide! There’s no way possible anyone else (including guy like Tony Dungy, Bill Belicheck, or evne CHUCK NOLL could’ve turned that team of Niners around when Singletary came onboard.
Ever heard of the term “interim head coach”?
Teams (almost) never hire a new coach outside of the organization when they fire the current coach mid season.
As for the Yorks, I think the hsitory of the Niners since they took over has proven they simply aren’t worth a flip as owners.
Because the Yorks obviously put the 49ers in salary cap hell right?
ed had/has NO idea of how to run a team. It’s not his forte.
Based on what?
Age?
Eddie D was only 6-7 years older when he took charge of the 49ers.
Willis, Staley and Lawson? All high picks.
Staley and Lawson were both low 1st selections.
Parys Haralson, Frank Gore, Josh Morgan, Dashon Goldson and Chilo Rachal were not high picks.
Eddie D spending whatever it took to get good players and no salary cap
Oh wait, but there is a salary cap (well not now, but the NFL will implement a new cap soon)
Teams have to adjust, the Cowboys have continued to win without spending as much as they did in the past.
Carmen Policy’s ability to find relavent talent DEEP in the draft.
That arrogant guy that got us in this hole in the first place?
THAT is the true test of the worth of a GM.
You do realize that is the hardest part of a GMs job right?
There is something like a 1-2% or so success rate for draft picks after the 3rd.
To get the people on the team who can step in and keep the engine running even when the main guys fall down. Scotty McC has failed miserably!
You’re saying our backups suck?
Dre Bly sucked last year?
Barry Sims sucked too?
Ahamad Brooks is terrible huh?
P.S.: You bring up Bid Ben’s current problem and how it affects the Steelers? If Scotty McC had been in charge, do you HONESTLY think the team would’ve had the forethought to draft Dixon? I doubt it.
That’s just your opinion.
You can’t pass that off as a fact.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
As for late round picks.
You do realize that a big part of a late round pick being successful is coaching right?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Then hire better coaches...
And give them more than 1 season to turn things around. It took Dungy several seasons and several drafts to change both the Bucs AND the Colts into winners. Speaking of, Gruden doesn’t count as the team he took over was already in place to succeed. Belichick, Parcells, Sparano, Turner….all these coaches took over moribund teams and had to tweak them in order to make them better. All had to suffer defeat awhile before tasting sweet victory. Why the Yorks continue to allow their coaches to leave instead of trying their hardest to keep them so as to instill continuity, is beyond me.
IMO, I think even Martz could’ve worked out if he 1) Had the proper tools for his offense, and 2) Tryed to come to an ideological comprimise with coach Singletary. That is just IMO.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Allowing coaches to leave
I sure hope you’re not referring to Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner
Both were offered HC jobs, it would have been ridiculous for an owner to keep them from moving up.
The Mike Martz firing was likely because of Mike Singletary.
Take it up with him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
Martz? Smith would be retired due to injury. What do you think Bulger's problem is? He has taken too many hits.
!) Martz was a bad hire, especially if you let him call plays on his own. Any coach following Parcells 1 or 2 years later is usually in a good situation, and Belichik was one of them, but he learned from Parcells and kept it going, but that was already a superbowl caliber team. Turner who? The Chargers were a Superbowl team when he got there.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
The Yorks create their own cap issues...
Thus, purging most of the pro bowl talent before 2004.
Well, we're waiting....
Surgery time....
I’ll take your points 1 by 1…..
1) Thanks.
2/3) I was refering to when he took over as “Interim Coach”, that’s what you do when he earned the job fulltime.
4) No they didn’t, they have just shut the purse down period.
5) Wasn’t talkin bout age. The younger Rooney and Pat Bolan’s daughter in Denver both grew up around football. thus, they haev a working knowledge of how a team is built and what it takes to keep one competative yr in and yr out. JED simply hasn’t grasped the nuances yet.
6) Maybe not, but, still taken in the 1st rd. as for the others, with the exception of Frank “The Tank”, can you honestly say the rest of your mentioned bunch have created fear in the rest of the league?
7) You make my point. When there was no salary cap, Eddie D did whatever it took to get the best players available. This during a time against bigger market teams such as Dallas, Washington, NewYork, L.A./Oakland, and so forth.To be in the game, you have to spend a little. like the old addage goes, “You have to spend money to make money.”
8) That arrogant guy also was instrumental in finding the players that garnered us 3 Super Bowls as well. If the NFL haden’t changed the salary cap system to derail his stratagy, we never would’ve been in that mess period.
9) Not all GM’s are great, but, the ones who are at least mediocre to good are with the best teams. And they get the players that fit their team. Not constantly sit on the sidelines and do nothing.
10) Bly,overrated, Sims, a diamond overachiever, Brooks, one dimensional.
11) Not an opinion, fact. If you remember, after BIG BEN’S motorcycle accident, the Steelers were in deep trouble with Charlie Batch as the starter. Thus, they got a better insurance policy in Dixon, even though they own one of the best QB’s in the league right now. It’s called “forward thinking”, and the Niners have not thought forward since they traded for Young in ’85. Surgery done, take 2 pills and call me in the morning.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Bly,overrated, Sims, a diamond overachiever, Brooks, one dimensional.
I agree on Sims, but not Bly and Brooks, Brooks has ben at that position for one or two seasons. He can get better, he is no where near his ceiling and he can help in run support.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Bly had the best performance out of all our CB's, he makes plays.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
2/3) I was refering to when he took over as "Interim Coach", that’s what you do when he earned the job fulltime.
That still doesn’t matter.
No interim HC is ever brought from the outside.
4) No they didn’t, they have just shut the purse down period.
Yeah, because overspending was going to get us out of that hole right?
JED simply hasn’t grasped the nuances yet.
YET
7) You make my point. When there was no salary cap, Eddie D did whatever it took to get the best players available. This during a time against bigger market teams such as Dallas, Washington, NewYork, L.A./Oakland, and so forth.To be in the game, you have to spend a little. like the old addage goes, "You have to spend money to make money."
But now there is a salary cap.
You can’t overspend on crappy talent and expect to win.
The Redskins proved that since Snyder took over.
8) That arrogant guy also was instrumental in finding the players that garnered us 3 Super Bowls as well. If the NFL haden’t changed the salary cap system to derail his stratagy, we never would’ve been in that mess period.
Now you’re blaming the NFL?
A salary cap was needed, Policy couldn’t adjust.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 12, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 12, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have crystal ball that told you that?
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Tke Yorks suck... too bad if you can't see it
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
Correction: "The" Yorks suck... too bad if you can't see it
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
I would much rather see some agressiveness from Mc Boo Foo and make acquisitions that are the best for the long haul.
No more sexy picks, its time to make moves to move toward th goal asap.
I'm saying that in a calm manner!!............nevermind, GET ERIC BERRY
Eric Berry?
:)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not neccessarily, just more movement. Trade back at 17, trade away a 34 and 4 to get another 2nd and have 3 2nd rounders, things of that nature.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Agreed...to a point...
I agree the Niners need to make some moves that will make them better overall. but, trading away a bunch of picks just to get a lot of unproven rookies I don’t think is the best way to go. How about just REALLY getting involved and getting guys in FA who will help fill the holes we have and them drafting WISELY those players who can keep things moving after the FA are ready to either retire or move on? Sounds like a better stratagy to me.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Really getting involved in FA and over spending for a bunch of players in an uncapped year?
Na, I pass on that one. There is sarter talent in the 3rd round of this draft if coaches are anaylyzing it right.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Oh...so you think it's better to overpay for a bunch of rookies in an uncapped year?
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Maybe you aren't understanding me clearly, I want to trade out due to depth.
I think the best CB’s will be in the 2nd as will RT’s and also WR’s. 2nd and 3rd round prospects appear to be better suited for our needs. I don’t mind FA, but any agent is pushing the bar for more money because of the uncapped year. Outside of top 10 picks only QB contracts are expensive. 3 second rounders in this draft would be great for this team, they should all be starters, this draft is that deep.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Honestly
I think McLoughan is running out of rope. But I also believe that his job is tied to Singletary. If the Yorks want to keep Singletary, I can’t see McLoughan getting fired. A new GM is going to shake too many things up, so as long as the ownership is committed to Singletary, McLoughan is going to be here.
And when I end up being dead wrong about that, you can quote me.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
More York bashing,,,
Ownership isn’t committed to anybody but themselves
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
I personally
like McCloughan’s strategy in drafting big players. There should be some exceptions from time to time, but ultimately, I like his philosophy.
My Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft for 49ers
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
I agree with his philosophy as well!
However, I want to see him sign his young talent as well, VD, Willis, and Goldson should all have contracts ready an waiting. His philosophy doesn’t work if he doesn’t sign the young players that are developing into playmakers. Looking over his previous drafts listed above I don’t think thats a bad list of players at all. There is still room for improvement for alot of them but there is still some upside for players like Reggie Smith, Balmer, Hill and even Rachal. On that note Coffee has only had one season, I hope people wheren’t expecting him to come in and run for 1000 yards, give him a chance to develope after all, thats how you build a team through a draft, you draft the young players, and let them develope.
Of course the nicer headline could be, “It’s your projected delivery date Scott, it’s time to deliver.”
1. Treaded lightly in 2009 free agency failing to address the team’s needs.
2. Passive and traded out of the 2009 draft failing to address a good portion of the teams needs.
3. Lucky that Singletary salvaged several high 49ers draft picks or the F.O. might not of had 2010.
4. Free agency is here again an McC is choosing to do absolutely nothing.
The draft is less than 50 days and division title is up for grabs. It’s been McC’s decision to put all his eggs in the 2010 draft basket. If he doesn’t come out of the 2010 draft with some impact additions to the roster than he’s failed to do anything for 2 years.
This post is just the cuckoo bird jumping out of the clock at 11:30 as reminder the clock is about to strike midnight.
Finally, some reason
These are the reasons why McCloughan is on the hot seat.
Not because he doesn’t draft 4 starters every single year.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
You need to take a look at top notch GM's Like the Pats have
You will see the great GM’s get about 4 starters a year.
The Patriots draft just as well as about everyone else
Since 1990 their first round bust rate has been 55% which puts them in the bottom third of the league when it comes to drafting.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Thank you.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
LMAO
Patriots?
They’re average at drafting.
Florida Danny proved it last year (check in the archives) and I just proved it down below.
How many immediate starters did Mr. Bellichick find last year?
ZERO
Let’s strip Bellichick of his managerial duties, eh?
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by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Belichik doesn't draft players and have them start, he lets them learn the system first, which is smarter.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Yup
Very few of the guys he drafts are instant starters. He’s also far better at picking up free agents and getting extra value out of other team’s cast offs
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
He’s also far better at picking up free agents and getting extra value out of other team’s cast offs
I didn’t say he wasn’t.
Just saying that picking up 4 starters every year in the draft is very hard.
Some teams only have like 6 picks a year.
You really think they’re going to hit on 4 out of 6?
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by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
It really isn't. Not if you hustle in the draft, they could easily have starters with their first 4 picks this year, EASILY.
He is just good at drafting for the future, the team was built well when he got there (Parcells) and he got lucky with Brady.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
He's good at stockpiling draft picks so he has a better chance.
They like to get around 10 picks each year so they have a better chance to land a starter.
The failure rate is still the same, they just have more chances.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
I’ll take more chances to get it right over less anyday. Only a fool wouldn’t-so what is the point???
It's not easy to acquire 10+ selections every single year
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by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously that's never going to happen.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
It is when you make an effort.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Gee, if only more GMs in the league would just make an effort. I can’t believe they’ve never thought of that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Some of them are just stuck in their ways and a lot of their ways stink.
Patriots have had multiple 2nd round picks in consecutive draft, so I would call that more of an effort than most, especially ours.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Nolan's Team ?
It’s like saying that McC had no imput during his time with Nolan. If you want to believe that, that’s fine but as far as I’m concern , his selections haven’t be great. Other than a handful of players, they have been avg. at best. His job is to find the "Jewels "that make Winners and he hasn’t done it. I doubt that he can.
I’m concern about the Niners Future !
give the man some time
let’s see what he does with all these young good players who are in need of new contracts soon. Drafting is not the only thing a GM does, nor is signing FAs. A good GM evaluates the talent on his own team well, and decides who to keep, and for what price. Now is when Scott’s picks are coming to the end of their first contracts, and he’ll have to get creative to sign them all at the right price. If he fails at that, then I could see reason to want to get rid of him.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
I guess I'm still mad over last years draft.
I for one, was praying for some OL men, and didn’t get it. Last year was full of OL and we ended up with nothing, other than undrafted ( Boone, whom I like ) and an over the hill retiree ( Marvel ). Pasos was midseason pickup and now he’s gone. So I feel that that last year was a bust for Linemen. Don’t get me wrong, Crabtree may be an excellent choice but lets wait to see how that pans out. I’m saying that based on the the #‘s of wide recievers they have selected during this decade. Not a good track record.
I will give McC time , but it’s up to him to March this team to the playoffs, ASAP ! It’s been to long !
MC BOO FOO.
I love this.
But you cant put it all on him, Nolan had alot of input with who the Niners picked when he was Coach.
True....
But, the last I heard, GM outranks HC when it comes to personnel moves….meaning….THE BUCK STOPS HERE!
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
thanks for this
"The Football The 49ers Team has The excitement of the bear, the velocity of the deer and strenght of the buffalo.
Can anyone
Corroborate the statement that great GM’s pick 4 starters per draft? That seems like an awfully high percentage. And I mean starters, not just guys who make the roster.
xanthan: "Sabean is going to get 2 year extensions for the rest of our lives. We just need to deal with that realization."
Missing Barry: "If I deal with that realization and the realization that Cohan is never going to sell the Warriors….well, for my own health, I’m not going to acknowledge those things."
See below...you'll be surprised
I just did 2009, but I would appreciate if someone would go back to like 2006 so we can get a better idea.
*I just went by immediate starters in the list below.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the answer was around 3.5 starters a year.
2 starters from rounds 1 thru 3
1.5 starters from from rounds 4-7
I saw this knowing it’s not an exact measurement of success. If a team drafts a punter or kicker you can pretty much tally those as starters and it doesn’t even get into the quality of starters.
Danny ran a huge segment on this topic last year analyzing the 49ers with a comparison to the Patriots. The 49ers actually out drafted the Pats on this scale, however when the Pats hit they got themselves a Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork or Richard Seymour. The Patriots are also a huge free agent team, but instead of signing expensive headline picks they typically sign a lot of mid round talent to compliment their drafted stars.
First thing's first, I have not read the other comments...I'm sorry if I'm repeating what someone already said.
still lacks a pass rusher with more than 6 sacks.
I’m not sure who did it, but someone put together a list of all the pass rushers with more than 10 sacks.
Apparently only a very small percentage of players accumulate double digit sacks.
The 49ers were tied for third in sacks.
The above statement is irrelevant.
Great GM’s get about 4 starters a year out of the draft.
Not only is this absolutely ridiculous, you have nothing to back it up with.
I am not lazy and decided to look back at last years draft and looked at a few GMs and their draft.
Thomas Dimitriof (Falcons):
1 starter:
Christopher Owens (CB) and he was a starter only because of the Falcons injuries at the CB position, not because he earned it.
Scott Pioli (Chiefs)
Once again only 1 (real) starter. Tyson Jackson has been a disappointment and the only other starter is a kicker (mr. irrelevant)
Tyson Jackson (DE)
Ryan Succop (K)
AJ Smith (Chargers)
Louis Vazquez (G)
Kevin Ellison (S)
One of the best GMs in the business found two starters.
Ted Thompson (Packers)
Clay Matthews (DE/OLB)
Brad Jones (OLB)
Same as with AJ Smith
Jerry Reese (Giants)
Hakeem Nicks (WR)
Only one starter.
Ozzie Newsome (Ravens)
M. Oher (OT)
Ladarius Webb (CB)-Won a starting job but got hurt afterwards
I consider Ozzie Newsome the best GM in the NFL and he picked up 2 starters in one draft
Bill Belichick (Patriots)
I saved the best for last.
The Patriots, who everyone considers fantastic drafters, found zero immediate starters.
Florida Danny proved it a year ago, here it is again…The Patriots aren’t such good drafters.
Coffee was a 3rd round pick last year and is so good they are talking about drafting another RB with an early round pick.
Drew K and his gang of rascals are leading the CJ Spiller charge (not a shot at Drew K)
Have you heard any person in the 49ers FO explicitly state that they consider Coffee a failure?
He has NO EXCUSE to not address the MAJOR needs of Oline, Corner, Pass Rusher, Safety, and punt returner in this draft.
OL is a need, no doubt.
Corner is not a need, maybe a back-up CB would be nice.
Pass rusher, as noted above, is not a need.
Safety is not a need.
Punt returner has just recently become a need, are you going to rag on McCloughan for not filling this need before it became a need?
You’re going to have to do better than that dude.
You want to say that great GMs get 4 starters a year out of the draft? Prove it.
Go back since at least 2006 and see how well the above GMs did (except Dimitriof, since he is fairly new to the NFL) compared to your “criteria”.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
safety is a need
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Not too much
Maybe a S in the 3rd or 4th, but it’s nowhere near as big a need as an OT.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Totally, 100% disagree
The big pass plays that we give up happen because we don’t have a cover safety over the top to back up our corners.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
To end the debate, why don’t we just say they are equally important. We need a Right Tackle and we need a Strong Safety with better speed than Lewis but the same playing style. Those are the two major needs. Chances are one of those positions are bypassed in the first round though. 1st Round is typically BPA over Need in most cases. Sometimes the BPA ends up being a need also.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
So you want to replace Dashon Goldson?
That big pass play happened when he didn’t give Clemments help over the top.
I think you may be exaggerating here, the Giants truly had horrible safety play and they allowed about an average of 2-3 long passing TDs every game.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
People want to replace Lewis, he couldn’t cover a 5 year-old with two broken legs. The Niners had the 21st ranked pass defense last year, there’s major room for improvement from the safety position.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
That's actually not true
See Danny’s review of the 49ers DBs.
Both Lewis and Goldson were some of the better safeties in the NFL.
The only legitimate reason to replace Lewis is because of his concussions.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Are you blind? From what I seen there is a gaping hole in one side of the field in coverage.
Lewis is a coverage liability. he can’t cover te’s or guys in the slot, I waatched him get toasted. those stats don’t factor in bad passes and drops.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Eric Berry……. ;)
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 10, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
He was burned for one big play when in coverage of a TE
Vs. the Texans when he allowed a big completion to Owen Daniels.
Other than that, the 49ers shut down opposing TEs.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 11, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
You just seen him burned for one big play. he was burned for several first downs on 3rd down vs the Packers. Then again vs the colts. Not big plays considering yards but big plays considering, all teams needed to do was run a screen or an out to a te and get a first. Safety play has a lot to do with successful screens and a lot to do when they are manned up on TE’s and constantly burnt.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Screens
The LBs couldn’t sniff out the screens and allowed blockers to get into the secondary.
What were the DBs supposed to do with OLs blocking them?
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by SportsChicken on Mar 12, 2010 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
You read the play and it makes it more difficult for the blockers to set up against you, if you can see it.
What about the man coverage that surrendered plenty 3rd down plays?
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Are you smoking crack CB// Safety aren't needs?
Nate Clements is gettin old and they are talking about moving to safety, Walt Harris is 35, Dry Bly is old as dirt an was a back up even with Walt Harris out for the year.
Please explain to me why you don’t feel CB is a MAJOR need and who in your opinion fills those positions.
Lewis at safety has been suffering from concussions and then you have Mark Roman. Please explain with the way the NFL views concussions and how ineefective Roman has been for years that this isn’t a position of need.
Please explain to me why you don’t feel S is a MAJOR need and who in your opinion fills those positions
Eric Berry and Joe Haden 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 9, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Haden
eww.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
I was joking
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 10, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still down for Eric Berry though.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 11, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Like 4 flats
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Thanks for the kind words
Nate Clements is gettin old and they are talking about moving to safety
Fools on the Bleacher Report are saying that.
Ever heard it from Singletray or McCloughan?
Harris is a UFA
Bly is a UFA
I see you don’t know who Shantwae Spencer is.
Do you know Tarrel Brown? You know, that guy that got a contract extension halfway through the season?
McCloughan explicitly stated that he feels comfortable with Reggie Smith (high draft pick) and Curtis Taylor as backups.
Thanks for ignoring my research on the 2009 draft, BTW.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
LOL thats a good one
You think corner isn’t a need because of the propaganda the coach shares with you, even though NONE of these players have a lot of real game NFL experience.
I don’t know about you but I will take a proven performer over a bunch of hopefulls any day of the week.
Lets see you get a proven peformer then.
You think a rookie is a proven performer?
You think D. Robinson was worth his ridiculous contract?
Shantwae Spencer, when healthy, has been on the field and he has produced.
Tarrell Brown has been inconsistent but you can’t deny the fact that he has enormous potential.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
The Patriots, who everyone considers fantastic drafters, found zero immediate starters.
Florida Danny proved it a year ago, here it is again…The Patriots aren’t such good drafters.
It’s the way Belichick goes about the draft.. He has found 2 starting QBs in the 6th and 7th round(Cassel, Brady).. He trades pennies for nickels as the draft is going on.. stealing extra picks.. trading a 4th rounder for Randy Moss.. and last years draft looks promising for the Patriots.. Sebastian Vollmer, Julian Edelman, Patrick Chung, and Daruis Butler all look like great picks to this point. Then there’s Brandon Meriweather and Jared Mayo from the other 2 years before. If there was only a way to get the hoodie to the bay.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
I'm not saying that Bellichik is not a good personnel man
I’m just saying that the guy that everyone considers the best (I think Newsome is better) doesn’t even meet the poster’s “criteria” for being a good drafter.
His analysis in creating this fanpost is obviously flawed.
It’s too bad, because I actually agree with the headline to this fanpost and I expected to see some logical thinking.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yea me 2
Like you saying CB and Safety aren’t needs. Almost every single mock draft sites list them both as needs-and thats because they are. Only a fool would hang their hats on magic tricks and potential.
Mock draft sites?
That’s your source?
Those guys don’t watch every single NFL game.
I would trust Drew K or Smileyman to give me 49ers draft info before any mock draft website because they actually follow the team closely.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
I follow the team close enough to see that Safety is a need. Due to the age of our CB's, CB is a need just not an early round need.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
What I'm saying
Is that the 49ers DBs aren’t keeping them out of the playoffs.
It’s not such a huge need.
Would it be nice to pick up a few DBs?
Absolutely, but not at the expense of passing on a player that could have a bigger impact by earning a starting job faster.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 11, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
The team not being in the playoffs was a combination of things and safety play definitely was one of them.
The team as a whole had issues our d was good but it was far from perfect and far from a playoff contender.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Safety play basically cost us one game
Mark Roman vs. MIN.
But there were other factors that contributed to that loss.
Other than that, our Safeties didn’t cost us any victories.
Michael Lewis actually sealed the CHI game and Dashon Goldson dominated in the ARZ game.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 12, 2010 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
+
I’d take CJ Spiller before I take a safety.
That’s saying something.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 12, 2010 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
That's good to know, I would take Berry before Spiller and Spiller before any other safety.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Obviously Berry is something speical
But I’d probably take Spiller over any other Safety…..
So sad…..
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by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That's ridiculous our safeties gave up big plays in every loss. They surrendered plenty of first downs on 3rd and long.
You remember the end of the game plays what about the entire game when we are surrendering passes on 3rd and long to who the safety covers and repeatedly.
And what about Atlanta, Indy, Houston, Green Bay, Seattle, and Philly?
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Don't forget Minny
Has visions of Berry batting down that last second pass by Favre.
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You can’t credit Belichick for the Moss trade, the Raiders (Al Davis) are one of the worst run organizations in professional sports.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Belichick was the only guy willing to trade for Moss. You think the Raiders only wanted a 4th round pick?
BTW
This is why I’m not so high on our GM. He couldn’t be more programmed toward the group think mode:
He takes no risks on smaller, more explosive players.
He takes no risks on character guys.
He takes no risks in free agency.
He drafts for prototypical size and positional value.
He takes no risk moving around the draft and instead drafts at the slots given.
He leaves a lot of creative rocks unturned and don’t see how that strategy will out gun 31 other teams. About the only wildcard in his arsenal is his distaste for 2nd round picks.
He takes no risks on character guys.
Well that’s not really true.
Both Tarrell Brown and Dashon Goldson had character concerns right?
Crabtree also had character concerns.
A lot of other GMs don’t take risks on bad character guys.
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by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Boone had character issues
Frank Gore had questions because of his knees.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Boone
yeah but he did win the saltine cracker eating contest that Takeo Spikes held. That should count for something. Haha
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
Have you ever participated in one of those?
It’s tough.
Also twinkie eating without the benefit of liquid.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Yeah it’s super tough… never done a twinkie eating contest though. Hot wing eating contest was pretty tough (i’ve done that). My mouth was on fire for about 8 hours. And then the next couple days… well I will keep that part of it G-rated.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
When I won my hotwing eating contest I threw it all up right after the victory was called official. I’m pretty sure that decision saved me from some ridiculous butthole pain.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Good to know for the next time.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
I lost my link….
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/10/13/1082764/ot-the-hellfire-challenge-and-me
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Oh… how odd. I didn’t lose my link. It just decided to appear right next to my handle. How in the world did that happen?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Oh. I figured it out. That’s sort of cool.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
And this begins a new era of me hiding amusing links next to my handle.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Damn
I’m already mousing over your handle on every post you’ve added… Hehe. Nice story, I won’t eat another wing in my life, but nice story!
Just look for ones where the word “by” is part of the link. That’s the key to knowing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Hahahah…. not the best feeling
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 11, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
Goldson and brown at the position they were selected were not risks.
Crabtree was rumored to be a dive and that is not a character issue.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
It was a character issue
He held out for over 70 days
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by SportsChicken on Mar 11, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
That's not character, Sing held out as a rookie. That is poor management.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
For 70 days?
He signed for practically the same amount of money that was being offered to him in the first place.
Michael Oher wouldn’t have held out.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 12, 2010 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
Oher wouldn't have held out? We didn't draft him. Fact of the matter is we took Crabs and him holding out was poor business management on part of his agent. He was gassed up to believe more money was warranted and had his bluff called.
He wasn’t hurt by it, nor was the team. It was still unfortunate.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
He took a risk
It paid off.
It happens all the time.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting links about Mc Boo Foo
http://49ersnews.com/2009/04/hey-scot-fox-sports-says-you-suck-at-the-draft/
and this one….
http://49ersnews.com/2009/04/nice-mccloughan-draft-article/
No Berry in red and Gold…..and
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/359179-size-matters-for-niners-mccloughan-in-the-draft
Hopefully he will shy away from his stupidity, this means no chance at trading for Berry and also that Spiller is too small and passing on D Jack has taught him nothing.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
I’ll believe it when I see it. bleacherreport is not a good source (there are twists in that article) and the other two won’t load but I suspect they may be bogus too. And besides GM’s throw out smoke screen all the time. We have smaller players for their positions on our current roster. Fret not lott, if Berry fell, they’d pull the trigger… if Spiller is a guy they’ve scouted, like, and is on the board they’ll pick him. I have a feeling that Singletary will have his hand in some of the decision making, not all of course, but some.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
They still work for me. These are direct quotes out of Scot's mouth. He hasn't drafted one player under 6 foot since he took over as gm.
He also said he wanted Crabtree, but wouldn’t trade up to get him. I know SPiller is close enough to 6 foot for him to still be an option, but I don’t see it in Scott to move around in the draft.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Tarrell Brown?… Other players are small for their respective positions as well. I went over this the other day (I forget with who, think it was bignerd). Just because it came from Scot M’s mouth doesn’t mean that’s what its going to be. Don’t take everything you hear for face value. He could still surprise us and get Berry. It’s hard to picture, but it could happen.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
He didn't draft Brown.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Actually I think he did, but what was it a 5th rounder right?
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Texas DB's suck.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
Funny thing is, if it were me I would get them both, as long as one fell.
I really believe it’s possible. After those two are off the board, I believe our picks are reaches.
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
The Chad Jones name
is one i havnt had on my radar at all… Anyone have any input on this guy and his potential of being a 49er?
It's not Scot McC... that's like blaming Mike Nolan
I don’t care what anyone says. I thought that Mike Nolan was a great coach. Nolan and Scot did a great job in reconstructing the team with excellent talent and a system that works for this time and age. Mike Singletary still carries what Mike Nolan and Scot McC started.
The York ownership should sell this team if they don’t want to take responsibility for the welfare of their team. I fear that Scot McC will be the fall guy eventually since the league of owners have set up this team for sub-par seasons.
If you can’t fire or replace ownership, how can you make owners accountable for their own actions?? You can’t.
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 12, 2010 11:38 AM PST reply actions
You actually believe that "Mike Nolan was a great coach?"
Talk about “False Hope.” The word “false” doesn’t begin to express the absurdity of what you claim/admit to believe
Mike Nolan is a site decroum. Maybe Smith would be something if he hadn’t thrown to the wolves
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 12, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Nolan did the best he could
It was ownership that didn’t come thru.
“False Hope” is something that the current 49ers ownership is giving its fans.
"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"
by More False Hope on Mar 12, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
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