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The signing of David Carr and the impending doom for one unlucky 49ers QB

And so your fearless leader makes a cameo appearance from sunny Mexico.  When I checked in on the site yesterday, I noticed the 49ers signing of QB David Carr, and the subsequent barrage of comments that resulted.  Maybe not quite the level of Carr's epic weekend press conference, but sufficient nonetheless.  And it's understandable that such a signing would trigger this level of response.  The 49ers QB position has been one of great debate and at times, angry vitriol.  This is not the 49ers bringing Moran Norris back into the fold, or signing Takeo Spikes to a contract extension.  This is the most divisive position on the team.

So first off, where are we at?  Well, the 49ers have corralled four quarterbacks: Alex Smith, David Carr, Shaun Hill and Nate Davis.  What does this mean for the 2010 season and beyond?  Well, I think we can all agree Alex Smith is not going anywhere in the coming season.  Given that the 49ers just signed David Carr to a 2-year deal, I'd imagine they like his chances of making the roster in August.  That leaves two quarterbacks that draw amazingly strong opinions.  It's amazing because of how little experience both guys have in the grand scheme of things.  Obviously Hill has much more experience than Davis, but compared to most QBs, it's not much.  Of course, given the evolution of the 49ers QB position over the last five years, that's not exactly shocking.

After the jump we cut to the chase with the Hill/Davis debate and we roll out a picture that hasn't been seen around these parts since last training camp...

Star-divide

In the Carr signing thread, I noticed a couple comments from folks stumping for Shaun Hill.  His performance down the stretch of 2008 was a strong factor, among many, in the 49ers being in a position to offer Mike Singletary the head coach position.  There were many factors, but Hill's performances certainly can't be discounted too much.  And, of course, Hill has quite the fan-club among 49ers fans.

At the same time, barring a major injury, I really would be shocked if the Shaun Hill was a member of the 49ers on week 1 of the 2010 regular season.  In fact, I'd be a bit surprised if he was a 49er at the beginning of the preseason games.  It wouldn't shock me if he was around to compete, but I'm not expecting to see Hill in a 49ers uniform at the start of training camp.

The only thing I have to base this prediction on is my belief that the team would want to use that third QB position for developing a younger QB.  Alex Smith is arguably the QB of the present (depending on your feelings about David Carr).  Shaun Hill is not the QB of the future, and I really don't see anybody arguing otherwise (but feel free to have a go at it).  Nate Davis may not be the QB of the future, but the 49ers don't know anything for sure yet.  Ok, let's correct that.  On the surface, to the fans, the 49ers do not appear to know much about the long term potential of Nate Davis.

In looking at Nate Davis, we're talking about a guy with limited pro experience against hardly talented opposition.  He put up big numbers at Ball State, which could mean everything, or could mean nothing.  Some will throw out the Ben Roethlisberger argument, but obviously one can counter with the assortment of MAC QBs that have not hit the big time.  Simply put, it's one small piece of a much bigger argument.

So how do I feel about Nate Davis?  Well, I know we don't know enough to throw him out there in the middle of a regular season game with big consequences on the line (so no, he should not be the starter at this point).  At the same time, I also think he does have a lot of talent.  He's a guy with potential and I would love to see him evolve into a stud in this league, guiding the 49ers back to Super Bowl glory.  Of course, if we're throwing out wishes, why not just wish for Alex Smith to show why he was the #1 pick and let him be the one to return our beloved franchise back to the mountain top.

If we look at the third QB position, it just doesn't seem logical to use the spot on Shaun Hill.  The argument for keeping him around would be that the team thinks it has a legit shot to make some noise around the league, and they want to have as much back-up security with legit experience at the QB position.  If Smith or Carr went down, having Hill be able to step in as the #2 QB would probably be rather valuable.  At the same time, I remain convinced that if the team needed another backup QB because of injury concerns, there would be some decent enough talent out there.

I realize Nate Davis's "potential" may never amount to anything.  And if that's the case, the team didn't really waste much given that he was a late-round pick-up.  However, I really don't see why somebody wouldn't want to keep him around to see what more could develop out of the youngster.  People say he put up decent numbers against crap competition in the 2009 preseason.  So, maybe give him some more playing time against the better units earlier in preseason games.  And if that doesn't happen, I'm fine letting him sit and learn for another year.  I suppose this could be a bit of just worrying too much about him blowing up after leaving the team.  But given that he's cheap (4 years, $1.9 million total) and in a position that really shouldn't have much impact on the team's 2010 season, what harm is there in keeping him over Hill at this point?

On a closing note, seeing as Shaun Hill might be on the next train out of town, I thought I'd roll out a picture I took of Hill at training camp last season.  I'd say it more or less says all we need to know about the man.

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Poll
Who will be on the 49ers roster week 1 of the regular season?
David Carr, Nate Davis
1439 votes
David Carr, Shaun Hill
96 votes
Shaun Hill, Nate Davis
66 votes
All three
87 votes
Only Carr
27 votes
Only Hill
5 votes
Only Davis
17 votes

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Too bad about Hill. What’s the deal with Davis’ learning disability? Will that hold him back at all?

by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 9, 2010 7:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Only time will tell I guess. He didn’t have a problem in college, as he was being compared to other 1st round picks, until they found out he the “learning” disability. A learning disability isn’t going to affect his physical attributes, or reaction time…. and it doesn’t mean he’s stupid either. In the preseason, I saw him make some really good throws… specifically the out throw to the receiver to the sidelines, where you have to have a strong arm, yet have accuracy and “touch” on the ball. Shaun Hill can’t make that throw, so teams practically avoid covering it at all, making Hill a little more 1 dimensional.

by aBulldog on Mar 9, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

as he was being compared to other 1st round picks, until they found out he the "learning" disability.

I never heard about him being scouted any higher than the second round, and even that was optimistic at the time. Was he ever actually considered a first round talent?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Seneca Wallace has the same learning disability

And he’s turned into a reliable backup QB in Seattle. Once he knows the offense, I’m not sure how much the disability will really hold him back. I don’t think it will effect his ability to read coverages.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 9, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see what that has to do with my question, though.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

I was trying to reply to Rob Blogojevich’s question

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 9, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, I see.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

never knew wallace had a learning disability

holmgren thinks enough of wallace that he trading for him so he could be on his browns team. smart man, get someone who knows your west coast offense to help the other players on the team.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Also smart because Wallace is better than either Anderson or Quinn.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

and anderson was just cut

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

May be true...

but can you guarantee we always have the same offense? This will be the first time in six years we’ve had an OC carry over to the next season and the offense is still changing in the off season, just not as drastically. Until we have an x’s and o’s offensive-minded head coach, you can’t count on always having the same system. Look at how Hoestler tried to carry over Norv Turner’s system and failed miserably.

by 9thevolution on Mar 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

2 magazines i read did

I know in this day and age having a black president and all you would think some of those old opinions would change and hey im not acusing any body of being a racist let’s get that straight first. But lets lay it out there to be brought up 4 instance lets take philly for example you have kolb up there who had 2 good games one against the saints who didnt play defense even close 2 what they played this past year.And with those games you have people flushing mcnabbs 10 plus years down the toilet now i’ll be the first 2 say mcnabb hasn’t played all that good in some of those big games but it was’nt all his fault either . Now up until peyton won that superbowl game against a sub-par bears offense he was never looked at as a choke artist it was more he was unlucky or the kicker choked and he did but 2 me it just seems like the same standards we set our white QBs by does’nt coincide with the way we set black QBs .And some of these same whispers you heard back in the 70s about black quaterbacks you here now a days 4 example vince young it was he’s not mentally strong enough4 that position now granted he gave us reason 2 question that but b4 that it was his funky delivery look at his winning percintage ‘’ he wins games ’’. If nate comes around this off-season and it looks like he’s taking a step back i’ll be the first one 2 say get rid of him but i doubt it because he heres those same whispers and that same people telling him he’s 2 dumb 2 play QB he will be the future 49er QB.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 9, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

he wasnt playing as a rookie no matter what. although i was impressed with what little i saw of davis in preseason. sitting him gave him a chance to learn the playbook, learn from the coaches and even just watching.

i fully expect to see him alot this preseason and i expect to see him do well and impress alot of people. he will likely be in a battle for 2nd on the depth chart but if smith gets injured or stinks davis should be who we go to not carr, IMO

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate Davis really does have a learning disability

It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It’s similar to dyslexia only a little worse. Senneca Wallace suffers from the same thing. Again, it has nothing to do with his skin color.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 9, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what Nate Davis said about it after the draft

“I do have a disability, but it’s not an issue in football. I just learn different than other people.”

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 9, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I know he has a learning disability

I knew that when he was at ball.st and i’m not just trying 2 make it a black and white thing .All i’m saying somebody tell me where thats hurt him he balled out in his college career .To put it blatantly i would be more alarmed if i heard he’s lazy he doesn’t work hard in practice or he’s 2 arrogant .Ive heard none of these other things and 2 me that would be more of a red light because you could look at that flip-side and lets do that how many highly inteligent QBs came out that tested super high wanderlyic and all and tell me how many of those QBees tanked you probably have them littered thru the N.F.L

by jayjonna415 on Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex Smith

Let’s just hope this will be the year Alex Smith makes it irrelevant who the back-up is. Yes, I’m still drinking the A. Smith-Utes kool-aid. Go NIners…and Utes

by utah pens fan on Mar 9, 2010 7:44 AM PST reply actions  

And so am i

Just because im arguing for nate davis ( like i’m big bens lawyer zing-zing) don’t mean i want him now i’m still hoping that alex pans out just because i feel he didn’t get a fair hand at QB.Now alex has to take that next step in his second year with the same OC theres not an excact science in picking who will be a bust and who want and some of the best QBees in the game were late round picks and some was’nt.But nate davis intangibles are appealing if we can give the kid a legitimate chance thats all you can ask 4.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 9, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not a foregone conclusion, but...

I can’t see Hill staying on the roster unless Davis gets ‘squadded. Hill is what he is—a limited guy who came in and got rid of the ball quickly…and then failed when defenses figured out that that was all he could do. Though I’m probably just talking myself into this one, I think both Carr and Davis have way more upside than Hill does. Based on what we know now, any of the three (Smith, Carr, and Davis) could become the team’s long-term starter. That, to me, is an improvement at the QB position.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Mar 9, 2010 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

But if the 49ers really like Davis, putting him on the practice squad is a risk

Any team could then sign him. Would the 49ers really risk that just to hold on to Hill if they believe Davis has potential?

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 9, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm just looking at what happened with Brian Brohm

Brohm was a 2nd rounder who only dropped down to that rank mid-way through the draft process. He was released and signed to the practice squad by the Packers without much fanfare. Now Davis was a 5th round pick and not ranked much above that (maybe up to the 3rd at points) during the draft process. So I know there’s a risk (and yes, Brohm did eventually get signed), but if the Niners are willing to take it and like Hill in the short term as the #2 backup (until Carr learns the offence), that would be the scenario where Davis gets ’squadded.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

They didn't want to put Davis on the practice squad last year

So I don’t think after a year of development that they would suddenly think this is a good Idea. Love what shaun did for our team when he was playing, but I’d much rather have a 3rd qb with upside potential than one whose best days are behind him. Best wishes to Shaun thoguh

by jammajuice on Mar 9, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Any chance the loser of the starting qb race gets cut (i.e., Smith or Carr) and Hill remains the backup guru/gamer?

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Mar 9, 2010 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t think we’re really supposed to have an open competion for the starting job at camp this year. Meaning the job is Smith’s unless he throws like a huge pile of poop in the preseason, and Carr comes out on fire. But I don’t think singletary is going waver from giving Smith the nod going into the season.

Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!

by Brave Neander on Mar 9, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t bet on that. Hill is an adequate backup, and under contract. Bringing in Carr and eating a contract means they like David a lot.

by microwave donut on Mar 9, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

How much contract are they actually eating on Hill, though? NFL contracts aren’t necessarily guaranteed.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Not much and they've already eaten his guaranteed money anyway

He signed a 3 year deal worth $6 million with $2 million guarantteed. We’ve already paid him the guaranteed money so it’s not like the 49ers are being stiffed

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

meh, I still think they might let Carr compete for a starting job. Or they might not. The team hasn’t said one way or the other yet.

by microwave donut on Mar 9, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think they’ll be foolish enough to mire the Alex Smith experiment in one more second of ambiguity. I honestly think Alex Smith is getting the starting job without a “real” competition. And then it’s his job to screw up. That way, if he does screw up, it’s finally definitive. I personally don’t think the team is willing to waste another minute on making Alex Smith a question mark.

At least, I hope they’re not.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

they’re pretty foolish

by microwave donut on Mar 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

and I hope you’re right

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

seems like we have a...

NN big-wig consensus here. must be a first.

by Florida Danny on Mar 9, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

actually

Howie and I tend to agree on a lot of things. Except who is more awesome, and obviously that’s me.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

and we also agree that

you need to show Battle some love!!!

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If only you weren’t so wrong about who is more awesome, we could be real life friends.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah we could be real life friends

except I made a rule about not hanging out in people’s moms’ basements, so no dice.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I’ve made very clear in the past that I hang out on my grandma’s couch.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaun

Looks like he’s still trying to grow out of his baby fat body his presence in the pocket is horrible along with his foot work.Now he could of shedded a few in the off-season hired a quaterback guru not 2 change his delivery but to work on his foot work in the pocket maybe sharpen his passes.It looked like he did zilch came in still throwing those ’’ wounded ducks ’ still throwing off his back foot and when you have a noodle arm along with those other bad habits why waist the time. I argued with my uncle back-n-forth a couple of seasons ago about letting shaun run the offense until my head turned blue.Him being a alex fan but it was till this season that i saw this team can only go so far with hill and even at a back-up and if we ever exspect alex 2 get better how could he if that crutch being hill waiting 2 come in .At some point alex has 2 look back and see if he chokes this next chance off it wont be no quik fix no the team will be looking permenetly to turn the page on him.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 9, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

No competition...

at the QB position this year. Yes, Jed, Scott and Sing have all said they want to add a QB who can immediately better the team, but at the same time, I believe they know that they can get better at backup. Davis is clearly not ready, and despite what you may think of Carr, he’s a better option at backup than hill. Smith is already guaranteed to be the starter unless he gets injured.

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!

by Brave Neander on Mar 9, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Cosign.

I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.

by Typecast on Mar 9, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

TANGENT.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

"[...] coordinator Bud Foster has never had problems filling holes."

by Cruithear on Mar 9, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

very good points

Carr makes more sense as a backup for Smith

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Carr also gives the 49ers some insurance for 2011

Smith isn’t signed past this season. If he tears it up, he might get some attention from other teams. On the other hand, if Smith flops than they aren’t scrambling to find a replacement. Either way, Carr will be there for 2011 if for some reason Smith isn’t.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 9, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Shuan Hill

Scot McCloughan is clearly in over his head. He has no idea what hes doing and adding David Carr is just one of many sorry useless players he has been adding over the last couple of years. David Carr isn’t better than anyone hes a scrub hes awful. Most of the players the 49ers have been getting since 2007 have been horrible.

by 49erJohnny on Mar 9, 2010 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

McLoughan..

has only been the GM for two years so far. Before that all personel decisions were made by Mike Nolan. And McCloughan is getting quality players to better the team, but he’s not going to mortgage the future on a player who’s overpriced and overrated. It takes time to turn a franchise around and Shaun Hill isn’t the answer for that.

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

David Carr is the answer to nothing hes not better than Shaun Hill or anyone else David Carr is garbage and has the stats to prove it. I know McCloughan has only been the game for 2 years. Its been a horrible 2 years. You can argue that hes one of the worst general managers in the nfl along with Al Davis and that clown that the rams got. In 2 years McCloughans done next to nothing to improve the football team hes dirt cheap too always trying to save a buck under the “we need to sign our own guys”. Gives him a nice excuse to do nothing in free agency 3 years in a row. Its not like hes got a high price quarterback on the roster or something. His drafts were horrible too. Take away Michael Crabtree and you basically have rams draft. Even when he hit on Crabtree he found a way to screw it up by not getting him into camp on time. Scot McCloughans brought in a bunch of bums in free agency. Guys like Damon Huard Brandon Jones Demetric Evans Marques Harris Eric Green and so on. David carr fits right in. Too bad the 49ers can’t pickup a new gm in free agency.

by 49erJohnny on Mar 9, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Strong words, bro.

by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Angst...

you seem to have plenty. Look at the teams that are consistently good for long periods of time, do they make big splashes in FA. No, they don’t. Build through the draft, it’s the best way to constantly field a competitive team. In case you forgot, McC traded a 2nd rounder that would’ve been a complete waste in terms of value for a 1st round pick. Sounds like a smart GM to me. He does sign some questionable FA’s under the pretext of adding competition, but you can’t always sign the best available. We are not the Redskins and Snyder is not our owner.

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

He has put us in a position where we could get some postive players in the 2010 draft and have a good base to build on. It is easy, right now, to identify our biggest needs and we can get those in this draft.

Also, going with Smith as the starting QB in 2010 and maybe beyond, Carr would probably provide a good, like QB as a backup while still allowing Davis time to learn and grow within the system.

We also need to notice that Davis is going to be working this offseason with McNabb. That in itself could provide a boost to his developement. I would be interested in finding out who else he is working with this offseason, which WRs.

To me, the SF 49ers are going in a positive direction without selling the farm.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 9, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Scott McCloughan being a joke.
Still Carr is better backup than Shaun Hill.
Hill is as much of a joke as McCloughan.

by Florida Johnny on Mar 9, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

We have a Florida Johnny? Any relation to Danny?

by bignerd on Mar 9, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

huh.

I thought the consensus was that Carr performed decently as the back up in New York. He seems to fit what the 49ers are trying to do on offense a little better than Shaun Hill, going forward.

It’s fun to have strong opinions though.

by dutra on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

He even had a couple of pretty decent seasons in Houston. Sandwiched between some lousy ones, sure….

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Ultimately, though… he’s a backup. Exactly how good is he supposed to be?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

good enough!

It’s a weird signing, for sure, but I don’t see how it’s the disaster that 49er Johnny is making it out to be.

by dutra on Mar 9, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

he did ok for the gianst but he didnt really play. i have to say teh o-line protected him well when he was in, no INTS and only 3 sacks while going 30 for 45 those two years. he has a slow release that leads to trouble.

as for his days in houston with that terrible o-line…..65 INT’s, 250 sacks, 66 fumbles in 5 years. OUCH!

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

How is Carr arm?

I would hope that he has a stronger arm than Hill.

by WC-Ninerhead on Mar 9, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah he has a decent arm, pretty accurate, just a slow release.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

wtf?

i assume when you say

many sorry useless players he has been adding over the last couple of years.

that you’re forgetting about

#1 MLB patrick willis (acquired in 2007)
top-7 pass-blocking LT joe staley (acquired in 2008)
top-9 pass-blocking LT barry sims (acquired in 2008)
top-2 most-productive all-around DL justin smith (acquired in 2008)
top-20 rookie WR in the past 30 years michael crabtree (acquired in 2009)
top-6 slot CB combo of tarell brown (acquired in 2007) and dre bly (acquired in 2009)

seriously, what planet are you on? i challenge you to name 7 other GMs in the NFL that have produced that much elite talent since 2006. everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but the facts make your opinion laughable.

p.s. i’m not even including dashon goldson, who had 94 tackles, 4 INTs, and 3 FFs at FS in his first season as a starter.

by Florida Danny on Mar 9, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

correction...
that have produced that much elite talent since 2006 2007.

by Florida Danny on Mar 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Dashon

was great last year, I’m excited to see what he does in 2010.
He’s making 650k this year. Another consideration for the niners front office to tackle when it comes time to negotiate with him.

by t p on Mar 9, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Ahmad Brooks was also a good signing and Josh Morgan was a minor steel in the 6th round. Not to mention getting the 17th pick in a very deep draft for last years 2nd round pick.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 9, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually you need to comprehend better. My point is Since Mike Nolan left so did the qualitty of the football players we been geeting. Patrick Willis Joe Staley Justin Smith Tarell Brown Dashon Goldson are all guys the 49ers got while Nolan was with the football team. All 2007 or 2006 players. So get your facts straight. I mentioned Michael Crabtree as Scot McCloughans only good draft pick so makes no sense you bringing him up. You didn’t read my post very well. If you did you would clearly see I was referring to the last 2 off seasons 2008 2009.

by 49erJohnny on Mar 9, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

i think the last two drafts have been ok

crabtree, morgan, wallace, rachal, mckillop are all good players.

i still have alot of hope that davis, coffee, pascoe and even balmer can continue to get better and be productive players in this league even if some wont be starters.

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im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

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by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Pascoe and Balmer are laughable. Mckillop is a regular special teams player every team has a Mckillop. Wallace and Davis i don’t know we will have to see what happens. Rachal is not good he cant move his feet he cant pass protect guys just ran around him hes a liability he gives you 6th round talent in the 2nd round.Telling was that episode of nfl sound fx where Singletary tore into him. Coffee didn’t show much all he did was make me appreciate how good Frank Gore is. Josh Morgan to me is a backup. They forced him into the starting lineup. Maybe that should be Jason Hills spot.

by 49erJohnny on Mar 9, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Jump to conclusion mat?

It’s hard to judge drafts that just happened. Why don’t we wait a couple years and then you can say that he can’t judge talent. This year’s draft is going to make or break McC so at least can we wait to see what he does this year.

by gilwankel on Mar 9, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

funny...

i don’t see mention of crabtree anywhere in

Scot McCloughan is clearly in over his head. He has no idea what hes doing and adding David Carr is just one of many sorry useless players he has been adding over the last couple of years. David Carr isn’t better than anyone hes a scrub hes awful. Most of the players the 49ers have been getting since 2007 have been horrible.

that was your original comment. you know, the one to which i was responding.

in terms of getting facts straight, just a bit of a correction…none of the guys you listed in your reply were

2006 players

in terms of knowing anything about the 49ers…if you think for once second that the players you listed were guys acquired under the sole discretion of mike nolan, you definitely are on another planet. let’s see…

person A’s resume = lifetime defensive assistant coach, never had a minute of personnel decision-making in his 25-year NFL career
person B’s resume = lifetime scouting director, working entirely on personnel matters, and mentored by ted thompson, personnel decision-maker extraordinaire

which of these 2 resumes do you think resulted in the person having the job that included (a) more decision-making, and (b) better decision-making from 2005-2007?

you want a real honest-go-god evaluation of nolan as a personnel decision-maker? pretty much the only part of the process that nolan had near-autonomous control was the 2006 and 2007 drafting of college players who played in the senior bowl. that’s because he did such an awesome job coaching his NFL team that he was able to coach a college team at the senior bowl in 2006, 2007, and 2008. here are the 2006 and 2007 senior bowl players that the 49ers drafted (i’m not including 2008 because mccloughan had already been promoted as 100% in charge of personnel decisions at that point):

marcus hudson (2006)
manny lawson (2006)
parys haralson (2006)
thomas clayton (2007)
jason hill (2007)
patrick willis (2007)
joe staley (2007)
ray mcdonald (2007)

looks to me like nolan did a helluva job picking LBs, which makes perfect sense given his previous career as a defensive coordinator and LBs coach. however, i’m not giving nolan a pat on the back for willis because anyone in their right mind would have taken him at the #11 pick. even i knew they’d take him there, and i don’t know crap about scouting.

except for staley, who i’ll reluctantly give nolan credit for (even though mccloughan was surely the guy who negotiated the draft-day trade to get him), and maybe ray mcdonald (who can’t even supplant “most likely to replace arnaz battle in my mind as biggest waste of roster space” isaac sopoaga in the starting lineup), the rest of the guys on that list are either waiver wire fodder or have yet to sniff regular season playing time. for these guys, nolan gets 100% of the blame.

so you tell me, how does mike nolan get 100% credit for the good acquisition prior to 2008, when (a) he had no previous background in personnel, and (b) even his non-LB senior bowl picks were garbage?

to me, the most likely arrangement until 2008 was that mccloughan identified the guys he thought they should go after, and then went to nolan to see what he thought about those guys. i think it’s highly unlikely that nolan spent any significant amount of his time scouting players because, again, he had no prior experience in player personnel and mccloughan only had experience in player personnel. in that scenario, it’s pure baffoonery to suggest that mccloughan gets anything less than 50% credit for the good acquisitions prior to 2008. he probably deserves a lot more than 50% actually.

one last thing i’ll say. mccloughan made the single-best decision that the niners have made since the days of carmen policy: replacing your player personnel whiz, mike nolan, with mike singletary. i don’t think it’s a coincidence that things have been looking up for the niners since nolan’s departure. so i’ll err on the side of “mccloughan knows what he’s doing” for the foreseeable future.

by Florida Danny on Mar 9, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

p.s.

the arrangement i just described at the end of that reply, wherein mccloughan IDs the players and nolan signs off, fits perfectly with nolan’s own obsession about having his finger on the trigger.

by Florida Danny on Mar 9, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

correction before anyone kills me...
you want a real honest-go-god honest-to-god evaluation…

by Florida Danny on Mar 9, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Do us all a favor ... go follow some other team!

You obviously don’t understand the issues, the situation, or the capabilities of the players involved.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 9, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

 Got facts opinion anything useful to say ?

by 49erJohnny on Mar 9, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

My take

The signing of Carr definitely means the end of Hill in SF. I think Smith knows that Hill doesn’t have the chance to take over the starting job. It’s much like Hill would’ve been guaranteed the job if Smith hadn’t been re-signed last year. So, Sing and the FO need to light a fire under Smith and let him know they have someone who’s capable of potentially stealing the job. That’s where Carr comes in. He can do much of the same things that Smith does, and he has more starting experience than all three of the other QB’s combined. Sorry Shaun, but you’re out.

That’ll bring me to my selection. I said that only Carr would be on the roster come week 1. I think they’ll want depth at other positions, and I don’t see another team desperate to grab Davis off the PS. Remember, the offense has been adjusted from what he knew at week 1 last season and his dyslexia will delay the process of getting comfortable. He’s not worth keeping on the roster and wasting a spot.

In the end though, I’d like to see them cut Davis or attempt to trade him for some value. I think he’s too much of a project for the Niners who don’t have a definitive answer at QB. He doesn’t even throw with the laces for cryin out loud. I want to see them throw it out as a lost pick and grab Skelton in the 4th-6th depending on his stock leading up to the draft. He offers much more upside than Davis or even Carr or Smith. FO is sleeping on the job if they don’t take a shot on him.

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

Laces

He learned how to throw without setting the laces to save that moment of correction when receiving a shotgun based snap. I’ve been impressed by that as a sign that he’s willing to learn any small detail to get whatever advantage that he can.

I don’t see Davis going anywhere at all, and if this season goes well I could see him getting in a lot of preseason play next year, assuming we extend Smith and keep the same backup (Carr).

by Dave R. on Mar 9, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

im excited

to see what davis can do this preseason. i hope they give him alot of reps. carr is a 3rd stringer in my mind.

also, im kinda excited that the team is in heated talks with RB leon washington. if his leg checks out he could be a great backup RB. i was disappointed with coffee last year but i still hold out hope for him too.

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im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

Leon Washington? Really? Where did you see this?

by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 9, 2010 8:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

1320 ESPN Sac-town

I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.

by Typecast on Mar 9, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Washington..

will be a COP back and handle our KR/PR duties just like he did for the Jets. If the leg looks good and he’s not too pricey, I’m all for it. Coffee will still be #2 on the depth chart though. Washington would be a situational player.

Now, is he still under contract or is he a RFA?

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

He's an RFA

With a 2nd round tender. I think it can be negotiated and he can be picked up at not much cost. He looks like a viable COP back with definite returning skills. His only main concern as of late is his health.

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

and with his KR/PR abilities...

also meshes with what i suggested here.

killing 2 birds with 1 stone might go a long way to kill the 2 birds and 1 sheep in their division

by Florida Danny on Mar 9, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

they said

his bone went through the skin
Compound fractures are tough, I hope he gets a solid evaluation,don’t need another Marvel Smith. Waste of Time

by goatfather on Mar 9, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That was clever.

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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/09/niners-leon-washington-have-spoken/

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions  

OK...

what a waste. He’s tendered at 2nd round level coming off a broken leg??? I’d offer the Jets a 3rd rounder at best for him if everything works out with the leg. Niners can get a healthy COP back in the 2nd or 3rd with less milage. The only thing I’d be happy with giving up a 2nd for is either Bushrod or Gaither if possible to talk the Ravens down.

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

not worth giving up a 2nd rounder for. im hoping the team can workout something out with maybe a 4th rounder this year and a 3rd next? somethign that helps both teams

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im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Leon Washing and would be happy to have him here

I think a conditional 3rd would be a good answer

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by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Conditional

Wouldn’t even want a conditional pick. Could get someone with the same ability for a 3rd straight up or even later. It’s not worth it IMO since we can get an impact player at another position with a 2nd rounder and the COP back on day 3 (5th, 6th or 7th round)

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd much rather take a proven guy

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by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I suppose...

but his leg is gonna have to be proven come game time, and that might not be in our best interest if we’re giving up a 2nd for him.

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

He'd obviously have to pass a physical

but a broken leg is not the same thing as a torn up knee

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by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

UGH

Did you have to bring that up again? I still cringe at that!

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

True

Both you and smiley are right in that regard. I still think the Niners have more pressing needs in the 2nd round where they can likely find a week 1 starter.

by 9thevolution on Mar 9, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

don't forget willis mcgahee - 03 fiesta bowl

I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.

by Typecast on Mar 9, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12546494/jets-washington-expects-full-recovery-from-broken-leg/rss

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."

by remembering9ergods on Mar 9, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

We might be able to get him for a 3rd round pick...

…but even if we give up a second, I’d be interested. I’d much rather take a chance on a player with a broken bone than one who had ligament or muscle damange; bones heal much cleaner (see Smith, Steve). Plus he has experience returning kicks and punts.

There are some negatives. The injury was still serious, which is always a risk. He’s also on the older side (27, turning 28 this year).

Washington has been linked to the Pats as well, so I wouldn’t get too worked up over the rumor yet. And for what it’s worth, I work with a guy from NY who is a Jets fan. His thoughts below:

If we get a 2nd-round pick out of it, I would trade him to anybody. He is going to want a big contract from us after this season anyway. For a 28 year-old running back coming off a major leg injury, he is not worth it.

Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

by Yeti Monster on Mar 9, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if they were saying the same thing about Rice when he broke his leg

Yeah man. It’s a broken leg. Rice came back well from it. Bryant Young did too.

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Young was never quite the same

If he didn’t break that leg he would have an even more dominating force. His leg is one of the biggest what might have beens in our lifetime.

by Dave R. on Mar 9, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

He did have a bit of a dropoff after 2000-01

But in the two seasons after the broken leg he had 11 and 9.5 sacks. He even had 9.5 the year he broke the leg! Maybe not quite the same, but 30 sacks in three years and one with a broken leg?? I’d say he came back rather well!

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

his break was really nasty though

I think he needed a steel rod inserted and it was considered career threatening IIRC. I didn’t hear anything like that about Washington.

Still, I wouldn’t give up a pick of consequence for him.

by microwave donut on Mar 9, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

disagreed about a waste

a broken leg is much easier to recover from than say 2 knee injuries and who does that? Oh wait… Frank Gore…its worth it

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by ninerfanNVA on Mar 9, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind picking up Washington, assuming he’s all the way back from his broken leg. He would give an instant boost to our return game, would be a decent change of pace back for Gore. He’s got (or at least had) good speed, and could break long runs at any moment. I mean, it’s not a bad flyer to take!

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 9, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

If anyone is interested

On NFL Network at 10am PST, they are showing “Hey Rookie, Welcome to the NFL 2002” which features David Carr.

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by Drew K on Mar 9, 2010 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

Voted for Hill

i don’t care. the guy gave us some hope. made the Niners fun again.

by Slim415 on Mar 9, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

Depth Chart

Alex Smith/ David Carr/ Shaun Hill

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by Drew K on Mar 9, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Actually...

it’s a pretty good assessment. It’s highly unlikely that anyone grabs Davis off the PS, and Hill is cheap and familiar with the tweaked system and the language. He may not have the intangibles that Davis does, but he has a better opportunity to win the game if inserted and asked to get us down the field in 2 minutes. Personally, I don’t want either Hill or Davis on the roster, but keeping Hill isn’t a bad deal.

The only problem is that Carr isn’t signed to be 3 on the depth chart and if Hill is 3rd, he’d be pissed and so would some of the locker room.

by 9thevolution on Mar 10, 2010 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

But weren’t they too afraid of Davis getting claimed to risk putting him on the practice squad last season?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

The idea doesn't make sense.

Nate Davis is on the roster because the team thinks it might have something with him. The 1st season was to get him acclimated the 2nd season should be the start of his development. By the start of the 3rd year they should be getting idea of what he will turn out to be.

Anyways, if he is sitting on the practice squad than the team isn’t developing him and it also means they are delaying their own evaluation, meaning they are hamstrung from bringing another project QB on the roster. The team cannot have 4 QB’s on the roster for camp. They need Alex Smith to get reps to prepare him for his huge season and they need Davis to get reps to start his development. There is no room for a Hill/Carr backup QB battle.

by bignerd on Mar 10, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I really don’t see any place for Hill on a team that has Carr. Especially if all of Hill’s guaranteed money is already paid.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting that. Unforgettable play. The determination on Hill’s face was enough to show he has the passion to be an NFL Legend

by Ken Williams on Mar 9, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

that is and was

the greatest thing Hill ever did or will do

I used it as my facebook pic for quite some time. (thanks MSW Snap)

by goatfather on Mar 9, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

A few things

Shaun Hill makes too much money for a 3rd stringer ($1.5m more than Davis), and doesn’t pose any continuity to the offense…he’s gone.

Carr is a good addition- judging him on his stats as a starter for an EXPANSION ball club is no more fair than judging Alex starting under the OC carousel.

The FO is playing the FA market just fine. From what I understand, we have 2 first rounders this year and haven’t locked up Willis and Davis beyond 2011. If you ask me, our priority is a solid draft and retaining our offensive and defensive MVP.

by t p on Mar 9, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Take washington

and pay him 4 million and put him next too Carr on the bench ……Ha! …I’m think’n the Carr thing is kewl but 4 mill……..WOW …whats gonna happen when the deserving need too re up their contract’s such as willis and Davis ……

Kewl

by Edggy on Mar 9, 2010 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

Willis's new contract should be record breaking

He’ll need to become the highest paid linebacker in league history. We all know he’s going to be worth every penny of a properly negotiated deal. He’ll probably play for half of it before it will require renegotiating due to escalators put in place to encourage it like with all other big contracts.

Big reason why I think they have been taking their time, he’s very cheap currently under his rookie deal.

by Dave R. on Mar 9, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

We all have to see this coming...

In training camp, Patrick Willis will “accidentally” tackle David Carr in the back, breaking his ribs, and putting him on the shelf. Thus, Hill and Davis will break camp with the 2nd and 3rd QB spots.

:-P

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 9, 2010 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

If the 49ers keep all 4 QBs...

That means the team will be in trouble… since they anticipate going thru the 2010 season as a underdog.

If they keep 3 QBs then the 2010 season might be okay.

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by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

So ?????

What happens if Jimmy Clausen falls into our lap with the # 13 pick ? I know that its a very unlikely scenario, but it could happen, and we better be prepared in the event that it does! I know that I would take him in a new york second , and let the chips fall where they may during training camp !

by mensa on Mar 9, 2010 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

See 2009

F.O. would have repeated their same mistakes from last season.

1. Using free agency to only bring in a limited amount of bench fodder. Not to mention heavily questionable bench fodder.
2. Completely misjudging the draft and ending up with players they didn’t anticipate while left with no further recourse for addressing their biggest needs going into the season.

by bignerd on Mar 9, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

If Clausen falls to either #13 or #17 we still don’t draft him. What if Smith becomes the QB we all wanted? Then we’d have a 1st rounder riding the bench.

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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

You're kidding right?

42 people actually think Alex Smith will get cut?? ridiculous. clearly out of spite and not knowledge.

by ManBearPig21 on Mar 9, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

The poll I think is set up to assume that Smith is the starter going forward. I think it has more to do with the back ups than anything else.

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by Drew K on Mar 9, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Is this collusion

I have’nt seen so much under the table hating on a young kid who hasn’t got a fair chance to even begin 2 fail when did we start giving up on young quaterbacks who have’nt played a reg-season game.And maybe a couple of years ago it would of been cool 2 compare big ben to nate but if im nate i don’t want my name nor my sisters near his .Sorry about that now i’m assumeing that big ben has done something wrong but he knows what a second chance is nate hasn’t gotten his first.To me shaun had his chance he ended the season pretty good in sings intern year , but what did he do in the off-season. He came back 2 camp the same pudgy QB with bad foot work and a noodle arm he could of worked on his game so you know what that shows he’s fine where hes at in his career. And that shows he has peaked he.s reached his full potential and his potential is only good a 3rd string QB. and shaun will probably tell you that himself .I know shaun is a good dude and he’s a really good leader but that only gets you so far if you can’t throw a straight spiral 40 plus yards in california no doubt what good are you going 2 be to you’re team .But why should we even entertain getting rid of nate when played exceptionally well in pre-season the only tape we have on him so far and he out performened alex and shaun .One thing i have noticed if you keep writing articles about letting davis go some brown nosers will always follow the flock but unless you could give me a solid reason 1,2,3 other than that ‘’stop hating ’’

by jayjonna415 on Mar 9, 2010 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think there's that much hating going on

Look at the poll, it shows the backup QBs on the roster at the start of the season will be Carr and Davis. Right now it’s 685 more votes than Carr and Hill.

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's one I'm think'n

If said is true and he does have a learning Dis….what happens @ half time when they have too adjust too a whole new game plan …..Juz sayin

Kewl

by Edggy on Mar 9, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

That would have nothing to do with it

Dyslexia mainly affects reading/visual skills. I would imagine in a scenario like that, much of the instruction would be verbal and some visual.

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

he doesn't have dyslexia

It’s just a disability that makes it hard for him to remember the written word. Media people have simplified it as " a form of dyslexia " because it’s the easiest thing to do.

It should have little bearing on NFL success since nearly everything is visual.

by whistlingmountain on Mar 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

P.S

And if we are talking about learning disability i would have to put big ben’s below nate davis obviously and if ben can win 2 superbowls with his nate should be able to get 2or 3 rings to.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 9, 2010 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Hmmmmm

Ben juz might have a learning disability with both heads ………

Kewl

by Edggy on Mar 9, 2010 12:23 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Leverage

Sing will not hesitate to pull Smith. Carr will keep Smith focused on that. This is the year it all comes together.

by zonedogs on Mar 9, 2010 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

Unlikely

I think that Smith will be given the chance to play through the season no matter what. Sure he’ll be pushed knowing that Carr is there and can take over, but he won’t have to worry much.

The only scenario I can see for Carr replacing Smith without an injury would be if we are borderline winning the division and really need to take Smith out because he’s blowing our shot at playoffs. Then you have to question if Carr is a better option.

by 9thevolution on Mar 10, 2010 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

On the poll you left off Alex smith. Was that because you believe he will be cut by then ? LOL

by TIM___ on Mar 9, 2010 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Poll...

is created with the understanding that Smith is the week 1 starter barring an injury.

by 9thevolution on Mar 10, 2010 7:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate Davis has NEVER had a learning disability that affected his ability to learn football,NEVER.(according to his college head coach anyway). Dyslexia is something you can learn to live with ,once it is diagnosed. Davis still has trouble in classroom situations,but they simply taught him all the plays on the field in practice and showed him on the video etc,how the plays are to be run ,no problem.
The whols Nate Davis has a disability and thereforte can’t be a great QB in the NFL is 100% bogus !
But because of that missinformation,we were lucky enough to have Davis fall to us in the 5th round(one round earlier than Tom Brady was drafted !!!) . McGloughan didn’t trust the rumors and actually interviewed the kid and talked to his HC and fellow pplayers and friends etc,so Scotty knew those slanders against Davis were not true. We are lucky to have a GM like that and lucky to have Davis on the team and if he meets his great potential we will all be glad he is a 49er(even the nuts who keep bringing up the “disability” nonsense).

by TIM___ on Mar 9, 2010 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

NATE DAVIS IS OUR FUTURE!!!

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by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Although, it can help to be smart to be a coach.

See: Mike Ditka, HC Saints

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Sadly no one remembers that Ditka was like a player-coach on the field. Believe it or not he was the Peyton Manning of his day.

by bignerd on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't always translate well to being a head coach though

He’ll always be remembered for trading away his draft to get Ricky Williams. Prior to that he was a very good head coach. His record before taking on the Saints coaching job was 106-62 which is pretty darn good.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaun Hill

Shaun Hill is all but gone. The Niners did a good thing by signing David Carr. It is sopmeone who will push Smith.

Smith has been annointed the starter for the upcoming season (rightfully so). But bringing in Carr is a way for them to have a threat to him as the starter. This should make him push himself more than if they had Shaun Hill.

Lets be honest, Shaun Hill is a marginal NFL QB at best. He won some games for us and he is a leader and a warrior. But he beat bad football teams and won over a team with a huge leadership void on offense. His physical tools are limited and he will never take us farther than we were this year.

David Carr is a good backup with NFL experience. He could even compete for the job if Smith should falter next year. If that is the case, Smith is gone and we make it our #1 priority to get a QB in the draft, use Carr as the stop gap and then plug in the young buck in 2012.

I like the signing and I also think that Nate Davis is so overrated on these message boards it amazes me.

by What you talking bout Willis on Mar 10, 2010 8:01 PM PST reply actions  

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