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Official NN Mock Draft Thread 3.0 Updated (03/09/10) ...Revised


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Well folks, this is my 3rd Mock Draft. Originally I had only planned on doing a total of 3 but it looks as though it is going to end up being 4. I will do one more just before the draft. We will more than likely do one more community mock just before the draft as well. I was wanting to get through a bit more free agency before I put this one out, but a few of you have been asking to see my new mock. 

In this thread, I would like to see more mocks if you all are up for it. We have somewhat got away from posting our mocks, so let's see 'em whether they be a top 10 mock, a Niners specific mock, or a full 32 team mock. Whatever the case, I'd like to see a blizzard of mocks in this thread. With that said, enough talk...let's mock:

A few of you pointed out a couple things that could have used a bit of adjusting, so I went ahead and tweaked the mock just a bit.

 

1. St. Louis Rams -- Ndamukong Suh -- Nebraska -- Defensive Tackle

I have seen about 90% of the mock drafts change in this area and I am still trying to figure out what warranted that. While most folks have switched gears in their mocks and have them taking a QBOTF in Sam Bradford, I am going to hold steady with the Suh pick. Nothing has warranted a change other than a couple media guys saying they "should" take a Quarterback beacuse they've passed on Stafford, Sanchez, and Ryan. I feel the Rams will go with a veteran QB this year, draft a Qb in the 2nd, and then get their QBOTF in the '11 Draft if veteran QB and 2nd Round QB don't pan out. Suh is a once in a decade type of player that the Rams just won't be able to pass up. They've made a couple moves for depth at the position which doesn't negate the fact that Suh will be an upgrade over any of them.

2. Detroit Lions -- Gerald McCoy -- Oklahoma -- Defensive Tackle

This is a similar situation to the Rams in that they have added a piece or two on the defensive line but I don't think that it will warrant them to pass on a player like McCoy. At the Combine the Lions interviewed McCoy and have really targeted the Defensive Tackle expressing that they like him a lot. With the addition of defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch and defensive tackle Corey Williams, and McCoy the Lions will enter the '10 Season with a completely different and  vastly improved defensive line.

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Russell Okung -- Offensive Tackle

With Donald Penn having experience at the Right Tackle, and the Bucs investing a 1st Round pick on Josh Freeman last year, they will want to give him as much time as possible. If both defensive Tackles are off the board here, I also look for the possibility of Tampa Bay trading back more toward the middle of the 1st so they can take Brian Price or Dan Williams without over spending. Possibly the Niners? It's certainly is an option.

4. Washington Redskins -- Sam Bradford -- Oklahoma -- Quarterback

Shanahan is running the show in Washington now and he'll want a fresh start at the Quarterback position. Campbell will be the stop gap for a year since he is servicable, but look for Bradford to take over if things go haywire midseason. Washington released 10 players so far and will more than likely make a splash in the secondary market of free agency. Bradford will be Shanahan's guy and will be successful if he can stay healthy.

5. Kansas City Chiefs -- Dez Bryant -- Oklahoma State -- Wide Receiver

Todd Haley is looking for some play makers to make a difference in that stagnate offense. Matt Cassell does not really have a number one receiver to throw to. Bowe was streaky last year and missed time here and there. The signing of Chambers proved to be fruitful and they plan on keeping him in K.C. With the possibility of Thomas Jones, Justin Fargas, or even Ladanian Tomlinson giving the Chiefs some help in the running game, Weis will have enough to work with in developing Cassell with Bryant, Chambers, and Bowe as his primary targets.

6. Seattle Seahawks -- Jimmy Clausen -- Notre Dame -- Quarterback

Pete Carroll will be digging in for the longhaul and will want to draft a QBOTF to help him ressurect his NFL Coaching career. Hasselbeck may get the nod initially but if he goes down again or doesn't do well, Clausen will be ready to step in and be an instant threat. It will be interesting to see what the Hawks do in their persuit of Brandon Marshall. If they are able to get Marshall, this pick may be Denver's and they could potentially go the same route since the future of Kyle Orton is uncertain.

7. Cleveland Browns -- Eric Berry -- Tennessee -- Safety

The Browns and Mike Holmgren have already been making alot of moves in free agency and the offseason to put themselves in a good place to make a significant difference from last year to the upcoming season. They have signed Scott Fujita from the '09-'10 Superbowl Saints Team, Tony Pashos from the Niners to start for them at the Right Tackle position and have several draft picks stockpiled this year. The Browns secondary ranked 28th in the NFL last year. Part of that can be attributed to the lack of pass rush and part of it to the lack of anyone worthy in the secondary. Berry is BPA for the Browns here and will be great value as well as a big area of need with this selection. Look for the Browns to continue to stay active in free agency.

8. Oakland Raiders -- Bryan Bulaga -- Iowa -- Offensive Tackle

The Raiders don't always make horrible first round decisions and I think this year they snap back in to reality and make a rational pick with Bulaga. He has been considered by most experts to be the 2nd best Tackle on the board. Davis will listen to the experts because he wants his golden boy Jamarcus Russell to succeed. Davis gets Russell some help with Bulaga and Cable may accidentally punch someone in flurries of joy with this pick here.

9. Buffalo Bills -- Rolando McClain -- Alabama -- Linebacker

The Bills need a Quarterback but have never been known to be aggressive in the draft. They will not be aggressive enough to move up for Clausen or Bradford and there is not another Quarterback worthy enough for this pick here. McClain will be their defensive Quarterback and the BPA to the Bills here.

10. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Earl Thomas -- Texas -- Safety

Jack Del Rio is trying to build that defense to be a strong one. They went out and signed Kampman recently to add pass rush which they have been lacking. The other major area of concern has been the secondary. Now that they have added pass rush with Kampman, they can focus in on their secondary. Thomas will be an instant insert to the starting line up and an instant upgrade from what they currently have.

11. Denver Broncos -- Anthony Davis -- Rutgers -- Offensive Tackle

Even though the Broncos may need a replacement for Marshall, they equally need a Right Tackle. Davis will be a day one starter and the Broncos can address the wide receiver position in the second round and may add another one later on... possibly even free agency.

12. Miami Dolphins -- Dan Williams -- Tennessee -- Defensive Tackle

Parcell's went out and spent some money on getting Carlos Dansby from the Cardinals, but both Joey Porter and Jason Taylor, the Fins two biggest pass rushers, may be on their way out. One would think that a pass rusher would be the best fit for this pick here, but good pass rushers will still be around for the Dolphins 2nd Round selection. Williams will be the center piece in front of Dansby to help him be successful. Parcell's is a few pieces away from a very good defense and good Nose Tackles are a rare breed and hard to come by.

13. San Francisco 49ers -- C.J. Spiller -- Clemson -- Running Back

The Niners have been known to draft playmakers in the first round. Fortunately they have the luxury of two picks. Spiller will solidify the gaping hole in special teams both in kick and punt return and also be a huge threat on offense. The NFL has turned in to a place where having two solid RB's is almost a necessity. He also will help in preserving Gore's shelf life and make for a lighter work load. Gore will still be able to get his 1000 yards and should do so a lot easier than before with Spiller contribting. Singletary has been clamoring for a change-of-pace back since he took over. He didn't get one last year as he was a rookie coach. If Spiller falls in to Singletary's lap here, I don't think it will take very long before Goodell walks up to that podium and announces Spiller's name as the 49ers first of two picks.

14. Seattle Seahawks -- Charles Brown -- USC -- Offensive tackle

If.... and it's a big if, the Hawks still have a second first round pick, they should go offensive line with it. They need all the help they can get there. Especially at the tackle position. Brown is a converted tight end. When he came to USC, he did so as a tight end. He is very atheltic and will fit well in to Carroll's schemes. He already knows what he is getting here and will be happy to take him in the 1st Round at 14.

15. New York Giants -- Mike Iupati -- Idaho -- Offensive Guard

The G-men addressed their secondary concerns and paid Antrell Rolle the largest contract of any safety in the history of the NFL. Not sure if it was warranted, in fact I know it wasn't but in this market the Giants were forced to spend that much to patch up a huge area of concern. The guard position for the Giants is a concern and mainly the Left Guard position which is Iupati's strong suit. Eli Manning is getting paid big bucks and New York will want to protect their main asset. While this may be seen as a slight reach, it just makes sense for them to go here.

16. Tennessee Titans -- Derrick Morgan -- Georgia Tech -- Defensive End

With the loss of Vanden Bosch to the Lions, the already struggling pass rush of the Titans will need to be accounted for. Morgan could be an upgrade from Vanden Bosch and has a simialr motor and work ethic as VB did only more youthful. This could be a perfect fit for Morgan.

17. San Francisco 49ers -- Brandon Graham -- Michigan -- Defensive End/ Linebacker

While most people will be hoping for a 1st Round Tackle to be selected in here, or with the 13th pick, the Niners may play it smart and realize that Okung is the only Tackle worthy of being selected in the 1st Round. With Berry and Thomas gone, and the concerns with Mays, it may be better to wait until later on to get a safety. A tackle in the 2nd and a safety in the 3rd may be the way they go. Graham will be a menace on the pass rush making everyone's jobs easier.

18. Pittsburgh Steelers -- Corey Wooton -- Northwestern -- Defensive End

The Steelers will be looking for some youth and energy to insert on their 3-4 defensive line. They just resigned Hampton but Keisel is getting up there in age and they don't really have anybody for the Left Defensive End position. Wooton will be a great player to draft and fill a major need. This may not be a BPA type of pick here for the Steelers because they have the luxury of depth in alot of other areas.

19. Atlanta Falcons -- Sean Weatherspoon -- Missouri -- Linebacker

And area of need and possibly the BPA at this pick. Weatherspoon will thrive in this defense. With the addition of Robinson and Weatherspoon to that defense, the Falcons will put themselves back in contention for a playoff spot assuming Turner and Ryan can stay healthy this coming season.

20. Houston Texans -- Trent Williams -- Oklahoma -- Offensive Tackle

Bob McNair has publicly stated that they need to shore up the interior of the offensive line. Williams, while not great in space could fit decently enough as a Guard. I look for the Texans to go after Tomlinson or possibly Jones in free agency. But Williams would possibly be the best player available on the Texans board right here.

21. Cincinnati Bengals -- Carlos Dunlap -- Florida -- Defensive End

While most mocks previous to this one have had the Bengals chosing a wide receiver, they should make a push for either T.O. or Marshall... or so it's been rumored. We'll see what happens. But until then, I am going to go with my instinct and trust that there is some truth to those rumors. The Bengals did not have much of a pass rush and Dunlap, if he doesn't take plays off in the NFL, should make a big difference in that Cincy D.

22. New England Patriots -- Brandon Spikes -- Florida -- Linebacker

I fully expect the Patiots to go hard after Leigh Bodden. The Patriots could go two ways with this pick though. They need to replace Seau and Spikes will bring the same type of energy to that already good linebacking crew. There are alot of good corners that will be available in the 2nd Round even if the Pats don't land Bodden in free agency.

23. Green Bay Packers -- Jason Pierre-Paul -- S. Florida -- OLB/ DE

If JPP lands in Green Bay, they will have one of the most feared linebacking corps in the NFL with AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett holding down the middle and Clay Mathews Jr.  JPP coming off the edges, teams will never know where to expect the heat from on any given play. Pierre-Paul would be an instant insert in to that LOLB position.

24. Philadelphia Eagles -- Navorro Bowman -- Penn State -- Linebacker

The Eagles are running very thin at the Linebacker position. Bowman provides versatlity and this will give the Eagles the flexibilty to make some other moves at the Linebacker position. Bowman's strength is probably playing outside linebacker but he can play in the middle if need be too. While the Eagles are stacked at the QB position, they lack a lot in the LB dept.

25. Baltimore Ravens -- Joe Haden -- Florida -- Cornerback

The Ravens have done their job at giving Joe Flacoo a bunch of targets on offense and will now be able to focus on the defensive side of the ball. Lewis and Reed will be retiring soon and the Ravens are running thin on Corners. Haden could compete for a starting job and one of the other guys could be slid over to the nickel corner. Or since Haden struggled a bit at the combine and a bit throughout the season, Haden could start at a nickel corner. The future of Ed Reed is still up in the air so this would be a solid move by Baltimore's front office.

26. Arizona Cardinals -- Daryl Washington -- TCU -- Linebacker

Rolle's out, Rhodes is in. Dansby's out and the Cards will need someone to step in and fill that defensive Quarterback role. Washington has miles of upside and could come in and give the same production as Dansby did his very first year. This will be a big hole filled and Cards fans will be able to exhale and breath easy knowing that they have a guy like Washington in there to fill some pretty big shoes left behind by Dansby.

27. Dallas Cowboys -- Golden Tate -- Notre Dame -- Wide Reciever

Eveidently Roy Williams was not the answer in Dallas. Golden Tate ran a 40-time that everyone was not expecting. Going back and looking at all that Tate did while at Notre Dame I think Jones would be hard pressed to pass on a tough, gritty, playmaking wide receiver that resembles guys like Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin. Dallas has been through a drought in the time between possessing a great wide receiver tandem. Miles Austin and Golden Tate could provide that for Dallas once again.

28. San Diego Chargers -- Ryan Mathews -- Fresno State -- Running Back

The Chargers may go a different way with their first rounder but I think almost everyone expects them to go this route unless they acquire Jones or someone like that in free agency. I happen to think that the Chargers are looking to get young again at this position. There are other running backs that can be obtained later and there's always the possibility that they replace Antonio Cromartie with this pick, but I'm going to stay put here with this one until free agency settles a bit more.

29. New York Jets -- Taylor Mays -- USC -- Safety

With the departure of Rhodes, the Jets are left without much to show for at the safety position. With Berry and Thomas off the board, the Jets will be very content with Mays landing in their laps at 29. In this mock, a lot of the Jets options may not be there. Look for the Jets to possibly be one of the teams hooting up the boards with a trade-up.

30. Minnesota Vikings -- Kyle Wilson -- Boise State -- Cornerback

The Vikes are running on a skeleton crew in their secondary. Wilson is a very good cover corner and also is a threat in the return game... although Harvin has that locked down pretty good; in any case at at least provides some good insurance as Harvin was known last year for missing some time. Wilson has the potential to start immediately and would challenge Winfield and Griffin for their starting jobs. Griffin may be the guy to slide over should Wilson beat him out.

31. Indianapolis Colts -- Jared Odrick -- Penn State -- Defensive Tackle

The Colts already have two dynamic pass rushers on the ends of their defensive line but don't have much presence in the middle. Odrick would come in and would upgrade the defensive line making them one of the scariest defensive lines in the NFL.

32. New Orleans Saints -- Eric Norwood -- S. Carolina -- Outside Linebacker

The loss of Scott Fujita to the Cleveland Browns will force the Saints to draft Outside Linebacker Eric Norwood. Norwood could potentially be the steal of the 1st round for the Saints with this selection. The luck in New Orleans will press forward and the Saints will benefit truck loads with this BPA plus needs pick here.

 

Ok gentleman...and ladies if there is any present, here's the template for you all to do your own mocks. Let's get 'em rolling.

1 Rams -
2 Lions -
3 Bucs -
4 Redskins -
5 Chiefs -
6 Seahawks -
7 Browns -
8 Raiders -
9 Bills -
10 Jaguars -
11 Broncos (CHI) -
12 Dolphins -
13 49ers -
14 Seahawks (DEN) -
15 Giants -
16 Titans -
17 49ers (CAR) -
18 Steelers -
19 Falcons -
20 Texans -
21 Bengals -
22 Patriots -
23 Packers -
24 Eagles -
25 Ravens -
26 Cardinals -
27 Cowboys -
28 Chargers -
29 Jets -
30 Vikings -
31 Colts -
32 Saints -

 

Let's get it Rec'd up. Thanks.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Man is that a record Drew??

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

I dont know, it filled up rather quickly, 350+ comments in less than 24 hrs.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Half us was me and you though.

Geez!!

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

It's better than Martin and Lewis

In their heyday! LOL

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 9, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Carr beat us on that! LOL

But then again we weren’t saying anything of substance there, it was just a bunch of bored guys trying to hide out from “honey do” chores LOL

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 9, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Ive become very open to the option of the 49ers trading up

with the #17 pick and getting another 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I still think theres alot of reaching with this mock… but IF things do go down the way Drew has it here, i think the 49ers would have to seriously fall in love with Graham to justify selecting him that early.

Trade up and get another 2nd and 3rd, which would relieve some of the panic of HAVING to draft a decent tackle with the current 2nd since they didnt see one they liked in the 1st round. It opens things up to really see what players are available to them with some flexibility.

Thoughts?

by Beatclash on Mar 9, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

two 2nd round picks would be great in this draft, I would also entertain trading a future 3 and 4 if you could get a 2nd that way.

Next years draft will not be as deep

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I like the talent in the 2nd much better then where the Niners are in the 1st. If we have to reach in the first I would much rather trade back into the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

by gbears16 on Mar 9, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

3rds we can get..I think..2nds not so easy

The times I’ve looked at the trade chart and the guys in the lower rounds makes me doubt we can get any second rounders.
Round 2 picks are from 580 to 270. We’re at 13 and 17, those are 1,150 and 950 each. That means if we trade our 17 then it would have to be someone in the 27-32 range that would want to move up to 17. That means that the prospects would be limited to Cowboys, Chargers, Jets, Viking, Colts and Saints. Am I reading the tea leaves wrong?

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 9, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Teams that have already drafted could trade their 2nd round pick to have another 1st.

by gbears16 on Mar 9, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Alot of times teams dont follow the chart

If theres a player on the board who they think highly of. Its a very circumstantial thing.

by Beatclash on Mar 9, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The second rounders involved trading the two first rounders

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...trading the future?

I don’t know..I worry about the fact that next years draft may be as good or better than this one. And the possible facts that we may be having even more and bigger needs that need to be filled. I mean look at what could be happenning next year. We may be without a viable NT, Aubrayo may balk at being franchised again or may have an off year or may be just too darn pricey. And “the Alex Smith Experiment” may come crashing down on our heads. That would mean we would have to be in the market for a starting QB. Both of those are not easy pickins in today’s NFL. So the giving away of future picks always worries me a bit. I mean look at Carolina, I’m sure with this years crop of DLineman and their losses on that DL this year they’d love to have more ammunition.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 9, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

they got a DE for the pick and I hear they are happy with him.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Getting Berry and a few more 2nd’s would be the (realistic) best case senario for this team.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I was in the middle of my mock when I heard Anderson was released.

Do the Rams want to go there? I also just read bradford will not throw at his Pro Day, so who would invest the #1 overall, I am thinking Clausen at 1 overall if not Suh.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Bradford

is going to have a seperate Pro Day early April cause his shoulder is not fully healed (red flag).

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

at the combine, Spaga said they may even keep Bulger there as the starter; which means round 2 QB at best considering they got AJ Feeley too.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That has always been an option, I think they missed the cut off time for his bonus, didn't they?

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The question is..

if you were the Rams could you have a QB lineup of Anderson, Feeley and Null (along with a possible round 3 or later pickup). I personally would have rather had Anderson than Carr though I hope I am proven wrong. Feeley is a good backup and Null…well his name and my feelings about him are pretty much the same.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 9, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I would also rather have Anderson than Carr myself.

by Kamota on Mar 10, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

How does keeping Bulger to start automatically exclude them fro Bradford?

Bradford wont start Rookie year. He will get a year to fully heal.

by hudd07 on Mar 9, 2010 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It doesn’t exactly but it pushes it further away from a ‘10 pick for a QB. They signed AJ Feeley to back him up and have still been talking about if going after Vick would be too expesive. There is still interest in Josh Johnson also. It kind of tells a story and if you follow close enough the math doesn’t work out right now for Bradford. If they take Tebow or McCoy in the 2nd, financially it makes a lot more sense if Bulger is the starter. Even if Bulger leaves, I think they will target a QB in ‘11 when it will be much deeper of a class. Too many concerns with Bradford’s fragile shoulder for him to be #1 overall.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It might be Clausen they want

But they picked Long #2 overall last year and have a solid interior now and a Vanden Bosch on the other end. I can’t see them picking a D-lineman #1 overall, not with the moves they made in free agency.

If you think that they’re playing stopgap with their QB to try and get one next year (or a guy in the later rounds), then I think the next best option for them is offensive line.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Vanden Bosch went to Detroit

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Gah

See what happens when i’m replying to too many threads at once?

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They just spent a ton in 09 on a franchise LT, so over 100 million in tackles?

Nah, i can guarantee that Okung will not be number 1 overall.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Mea Culpa

I completely forgot Jason Smith! I do however, think that Okung will be a much better player than J. S.

by mensa on Mar 10, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Jason Smith is rather forgetable.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Again?

Jason Smith?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

When does Clausen get the "bar" out of his toe?

He blamed his toe on a lot in one interview I heard and didn’t seem like it was going to be all healed any time soon. Plus he’s not shown himself as a “winner”. I can just hear the talk in the "war room: “Yep Clausen is a great QB but not great enough to stop his head coach and staff from getting the axe. Do we want to take the same chance on him here?”

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 9, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That was on the defense and the HC(the unsuccessful season at ND)

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

They picked up some other DT (Williams?)

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking with the hole at De that they may go Qb to avoid two draft picks on the DL in the first two rounds when they need OL help WR's and tons of db help.

Wow I would hate to be in their position.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard he had his arm tested by physicians and they said his shoulder was fine, he just needs more rehab and strengthning.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

Hes just listening to his agent right now. If he starts throwing right now with how rusty his arm is hes just going to cost himself millions of dollars. Hes only been rehabbing for about 2 months if i remember correctly.

by Beatclash on Mar 9, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is an idea for the next one, why don’t you do all 7 rounds for the niners.
 I hope that this mock doesn’t come true I don’t want a defensive player in the first round unless his name is Eric Berry. I also like Iupati because he will be a good LG which coincidently is exactly what we need. I think Cj Spiller is a waste of the first round pick we can use another pick to get a COP back and a return specialist.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 2:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

The most difficult part of this years draft is one or both of these picks will be reaches due to where they are placed.

Another reason I want to trade up for Berry and acquire another 2nd, 3rd, and or 4th round selection. We will reach no matter what we draft, it is a must, IMO. Saying that Spiller is not worth the pick can easily be debated. I personally think he will fall to the 17th pick, but nothing is promised. if teams could redo the draft with C Johnson he would have gone top 3. So it’s too early to call it a waste of a pick, i would rather say reach, simply because you can get a lot of bang for your buck with SPiller.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly true.

Im leaning more on the side that #13 would be too early for Spiller considering he would be nothing but a role-player.

But the 49ers are in a great trading spot with their picks. They can easily trade up for a player of their choosing in the top 10, and they can also trade back and receive another 2nd and possibly 3rd for the #17 pick. I would like them to trade and make the 2nd round where they do their damage.

by Beatclash on Mar 9, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade up to 7 with 13 and shop our 17.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 3:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This makes too much sense for our F.O. to take action.

by bignerd on Mar 9, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

no kiddin'

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

And the real world isn’t Madden.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It really isn’t thst complicated. A movefrom 13 to 7 is realistic and trading down isn’t hard either.

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 9:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It's more complicated than you think....

You have to have a player that’s available that you want at 7, and a team that doesn’t want said player or any other players with that pick, that would be willing to move back to 13 because their player they want will be there.

by hudd07 on Mar 11, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus 1

That’s why it would be easier to move higher to a team with more holes, that have a larger variety of needs that our picks would suffice.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And they have invested a lot in consecutive drafts in pick that aren't panning out.

Chiefs, if you don’t know.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks guys

For the additional information. This is my first year actually following the draft so I may be a little slow.

by manraj7 on Mar 11, 2010 8:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Why not trade them both and acquire an additional 2nd and third.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I want Berry that’s why.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 7:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha

by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 9, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm saying trade them both to get Berry and additional picks

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

How would we do that.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 8:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Nvm I get it. So like trade our 1a and our 1b for the 7th overall and the team 2nd and 3rd rounder.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 8:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The problem is that it is probably long odds against

The 49ers being able to trade up to #7 with only the # 13 and # 49 pick.. and then ALSO trading the #17 pick to the last 3rd of the 1st round to pick up an new 2nd round pick.

More than likely you would end up with no 2nd rounder. I would rather trade the # 13 pick back and get a later 1st, a second and maybe a 3rd and then also trade the # 17 if it comes up.. and geting the later 1st and a 2nd.. We can get some really good players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds..

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 11, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

49ers can trade up to 7 and acquire a 2nd with both firsts.

Then you have Berry, two 2nds (where your needs can be filled). That is the point, I am making.

Cleveland – 7th pick = 1500pts

49ers #13 = 1150 pts, #17 950 pts and # 45 450 PTS, I am sure that with the math you could come up with a lot of different ways to have 2 2nds, or 1st and a second, with Berry.

I am not sure if this was replied to my comment, so I guess, reply fail. (just in case)

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 12, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not arguing how dynamic the guy is

But how much playing time do you really see him getting this year aside from special teams?

Alot of people are talking about this guy like hes going to be splitting carries with Frank, and make Coffee obsolete. Hes not. And do you really see Jimmy Raye using Spiller as a slot receiver?

Bottom line, aside from special teams, Spiller would touch the ball on offense maybe 10-12 times a game (Tops). Thats a role player. And #13 is too high for a Role Player.

by Beatclash on Mar 9, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That's more touches than Crabtree would get....

do you consider him a role player??? Your thought process is a little flawed on this. 10-15 touches a game (that’s including return duties) would be just fine in my eyes. He’ll be able to make an impact when he gets the ball in space and change field position for us. That’s a pretty solid player.

by 9thevolution on Mar 12, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Crabtree got 4-5 catches a game last year. Spiller would get 3 times that, and just as many touches as a number 1 WR on a passing team gets.

It’s not like giving it to Coffee, 10 times a game, you actually have a guy that can score everytime he touches it in Spiller, vs 3 yds and a could of dust Coffee.

by hudd07 on Mar 12, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

What pick and what player for a COP back and return specialist?

Return Specialist I’ll give ya. I think there’s enough guys in this draft at enough positions that we could have a fight over who to put back there. But I don’t really see any COP backs “of value” except for Spiller, unless we look for going way late (6-UDFA) for one. Am I missing some guys? Let me note that I find the concussion worries as far as Best not to be worth the 2nd rounder he would cost.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 9, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Takeo Spikes will be on NFL Total Access tonight of anyone is interested

Also they are re-airing the 1992 Playoff game between the Niners and Dallas. Not sure I want to re-live that, but just thought I’d throw it out. Suppose I could have created a FanShot for this. Oh well.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

I hate that 92 game.

by bignerd on Mar 9, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

Troll much Drew, you one of those Waco secret society cowboy fans? Just kiddin’ and you know this.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

So I though, “What tha…” It’s Niners related. It was a good game until the 4th Quarter. The end result just sucked.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew

In future, can you make sure you put a break in your Fanposts? Maybe after first 5-10 picks? Its a LOT of scrolling when you are on a mobile phone to get to next fanpost.

by hudd07 on Mar 9, 2010 5:04 PM PST reply actions  

I agree it’s a pain in the booty.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 7:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

DRAFT

I WILL TAKE THE CHARGERS.

EACH TIME I LOG ON I GOT TO CHANGE MY PASSWORK, IT’S NOT WORKING. WHY AND CAN SOME ONE TEEL ME WHAT TO TRY.

THAXS

by BEETLE49715 on Mar 9, 2010 6:46 PM PST reply actions  

OK

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

LEON

WOULD LOVE TO GET THIS GUY, ONE LESS SPOT TO FILL AND WORK ON THE O-LINE. I DON’T THINK CJ WILL BE AROUND WHEN WE PICK.

by BEETLE49715 on Mar 9, 2010 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

OK

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Pssst

Caps lock make my eyes bleed.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 9:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You and jayjonna where made for each other.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

What about KSWOF

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 4:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Their child

Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.

by FearTheTree on Mar 11, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

1a. Taylor Mays- The great thing about Mike Singletary is that he can make a paper bag reach full potential. And Taylors Mays has more potential then an adult male elephant has when he is 4000 meters in the air. On top of that he is very coachable hopefully he remains that way after he gets his first paycheck. If he can switch from being a hard hitting player into a ball hawk I see a bright future in this guy NFL career.
1b. Mike Iupati – I was going to select Trent Williams then I took Drewk’s opinion into account and I decided to look at highlights. I decided not to after a fierce discussion raged in my head. Onto Mr.Iupati this guy will definitly help our problem at LG because he is the best Gaurd available in this draft. An instant starter and an instant improvement to our line.
2. Jared Veldheer – I was hoping he would fall to the third but someone here cough Jared Veldheer *cough* decided that it would be a good idea to do well at the combine. So im grabbing him in the second. Basically this guy will do well. We can implement him at RT from day 1 and is an upgrade from our RT from the first hour.
3. Brandon Ghee – Our corner backs are not getting any younger. While we still have our aging veterans they can mentor our rookie. So when Nate Clements decide to retire we won’t be like a beached whale when the ball is in the air. He’s fast so we won’t have any runaway recievers like we did last year.
4. Jacoby Ford – This guy can be our special team player. Along with thst he will be the speedy reciever that we so badly need. Can you imagine Ford Davis Gore Crabtree all out at the same time. Will they go deep or is it a screen. Oooh spooky stuff for defensive cordinators. Also Battle and Bruce need to be replaced and he can do both of their jobs.
5. Jamar Chaney – In my opinion after the 4th round most of the players are project players. What is necessary for these players is the athletic ability. This is exactly what Jamar has. Give him a couple of years to follow Spikes and P. Willis. Once Spikes retires Jamar can easily fill in the void and complement Willis.
6. Keenan Clayton – Another athletic specimen. Yes he may be a little on the small side 6’1 229 lbs but it’s a 6th round pick Suh isn’t going to fall here. But we can develop him into a better OLB that can fit our needs. If he does not pan out than we can ditch him.
7. Any ideas because I am so confused.
Post your thoughts so I can make my next one better.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 8:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

"our corner backs are not getting any younger"

I don’t think any team’s CBs are getting younger, but that would be awesome if they could

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Mar 9, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s an expression and we know some of them will not be here in 2011 there too old.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 8:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I know what you mean

I was just joking around and forget to say that in my first reply

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Mar 9, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya I was wondering if you were joking or not but I didn’t want to take a chance.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 8:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I like

This isnt too bad. I like the options. by 13 all the tackles worth grabbing are gone and Iupati could transition out to RT if hes good enough. Hes this years brandon albert. Im a little hesitant with grabing mays as a safety. I think Myron Rolle is going to be a solid guy. Hes a mike singletary type of guy. I would rather grab him in t he 4th if possible and use the 13 for something else. maybe grab Rolondo Mclain if hes there. imagine him and willis as our inside linebackers Spikes is getting old

by SuspendingBJ on Mar 10, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I want Iupati as a gaurd and Veldheer as my RT. Rolle is going to leave after a couple of years then why waste a pick. Unless it’s a 7th round pick.

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 4:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

this line
Taylors Mays has more potential then an adult male elephant has when he is 4000 meters in the air

did you just make a Physics based joke? If so, then that is rather awesome. If not, I laughed anyway.

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

The ninth fastest thirty year old in San Francisco

by bobnothing on Mar 11, 2010 2:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya it was, I thought you guys were smart enough to understand it so I added it in.

by manraj7 on Mar 11, 2010 8:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I like it, and didn't want it to pass unnoticed

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

The ninth fastest thirty year old in San Francisco

by bobnothing on Mar 12, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

NOOOOO Mays anything but that enough project players. Don’t think Iupati is worth that high of a pick.

49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha

by 49erSalvatrucha on Mar 9, 2010 8:05 PM PST reply actions  

Ya I don’t want him either but we need a safety and I didnt want to do a trade.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 8:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I REALLY Like This

NFL Draft Suite
1. RB- CJ Spiller Clemson
1. DE- Jason-Pierre Paul South Florida
2. FS- Nate Allen South Florida
3. G- Mike Johnson Alabama
4. CB- Walter McFadden Auburn
5. OT- Chris Scott Tennessee
6. LB- Dekoda Watson Florida State
6. WR- Shay Hodge Mississippi
7. OT- Kevin Haslem Rutgers

"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

5th and 7th round OT?

I pass

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 9, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I Wonder

If They are practicing under the assumption of the 49ers acquiring a tackle via another means? Yet that would also acquire giving up a draft pick most likely. I think i like this draft because of the Spiller, Paul and Allen picks.

Maybe something more like this?

Acquire T- Jarad Gaithers from the Ravens for 3rd round pick in 2010 and conditional pick in 2011.


Trade 13th pick to the Packers for 23rd pick, 3rd and 5th round pick

1. RB- CJ Spiller
1. DE/LB- Brandon Graham
2. FS- Nate Allen
3 G- Mike Johnson
4.CB- Walter McFadden
5. OT- Chris Scott
5. LB- Darryl Sharpton
6. DE- Rahim Alem
6. WR- Shay Hodge
7. OT- Kevin Haslem/Tony Washington

This way you are still getting Spiller, Allen and Johnson; the 3 picks that i really liked in the mock posted above.

"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 9, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Gaithers is tendered at the 1st round pick level

They might take a 2nd, but I can’t see them taking a 3rd for a starting LT…..love the idea of picking him up though…he sounds perfect for what Singletary wants to do.

by kiyoshi on Mar 10, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I’d give up our #17 for him.

by mr. instigator on Mar 10, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

We’d have to surrender our #13 pick for any RFA because the #13 pick is “our” pick.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 10, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If we were to sign him then yea we would have to give up the 13th but we might be able to make a trade for him instead. I would rather do that then give up our pick.

by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If you go to a team interested in their RFA with a 1st round tender and ask to make a trade with our #17 instead of the #13 what is that team going to do? Their going to refuse and hope you sign the RFA and give up the #13. You’d have to throw in more then a #17 anyways to sweeten the deal.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff

by Hoopers Judge on Mar 12, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I would really like this if we can address OT in Free Agency but I doubt we do.

by gbears16 on Mar 9, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

options are the problem with no new CBA in place

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 9, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

JPP?

NO

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea that’s really the only pick I don’t like about that though. Switch him with a tackle and it would be great.

by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Mockkkkkkkkk

FA- Atogwe

1a- Anthony Davis
1b- CJ Spiller
2- Demaryius Thomas
3- Syd’Quan Thompson
4- Jacoby Ford

Gives us a starting RT, COP back, #2 WR complement Crabtree, a speedy slot WR, Three KR/PR, Starting S Atogwe, and some depth at CB; with return skills..

by GMARCH on Mar 9, 2010 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

This is a joke right?

We don’t address the two biggest need positions – OG and RT – and instead go for a backup RB/KR and a backup OLB. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Don’t get me wrong, those guys are great talents, but the 49ers have to get at least 1 starter out of two first round picks unless they’re drafting a QB of the future.

by jsteez on Mar 10, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

No

And it drives me crazy to this day

by kiyoshi on Mar 10, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot of teams dont draft for primary need in the 1st round

Sometimes BPA and Need ends up being the same player but most teams draft value first. That’s why Crabtree was selected over a guy like Oher last year. It’s just the way it goes usually

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

That's why trading up to land the best prospect of the first round, that is attainable makes sense.

In that equation at 5th pick or later we can net an additional 2nd rounder.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 12, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

OG wasn't a need last year

It was addressed in 2008.

RT was supposed to be addressed last year with Marven Smith and Tony Pashos.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

OG and RT are both mid round needs. Spiller and graham are both good values there.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 10, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

ANYBODY with ESPN Insider

Wanna be cool and link Mike Mayock and Mel Kipers latest 1st round mock??
Espn.com is my homepage and i noticed that they had a new link up to their mocks being compared, so i assume they have a new revised mock up.

by Beatclash on Mar 10, 2010 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t think you will be able to see it if it is linked so I’ll just give you the Niners’ picks.

Kiper
13. Joe Haden
17. Mike Iupati

McShay
13. Trent Williams
17. Jason Pierre-Paul

by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Another note on that both have the Niners passing on Spiller McShay with the 13th and Kiper with both.

by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Mayock and McShay are so overrated, maybe it's because u need to see insider to see their hair brain selections.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea i don’t usually agree with either of them. I used to like McShay better but now that he mocked us JPP I’m gonna put him down there with Kiper.

by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd in the league in sacks and we still are being mocked a PR at 13 overall.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

Its almost like people forgot what they actually saw during the regular season and started believing the stats and only the stats as soon as the season ended.

THE PASS RUSH WAS SERIOUSLY LACKING AT TIMES.

by Beatclash on Mar 11, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Mianly on third and long when we needed to be out of the 3-4. We can add a DE to play the LDE out of that formation, or get a safety that can cover the 3rd WR man to man, or get better coverage ILB.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Double rec'd

I’m not even sure McShay watches film of the prospects or that he watches film of teams in the NFL to know what they really want.

Kiper is ok

Mayock is the best when it comes to draft stuff—he actually does his research.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Mayock is okay? He thinks Joe Haden is going to be a shut down corner. Even Deion Sanders was laughing at him because of that. He has made some pretty historical bad calls.

Agree on Kiper but he better know something since he’s been doing this since 1981.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't always be right.

Mayock’s predictions aren’t looking too good right now (Thomas over Berry, the Haden comments).
But usually, he’s really good.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Behind Earl Thomas

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

This made me raise my eyebrow at the guy too

His explanation was that Earl Thomas has the best instincts and coverage ability, which would be more valuable at the NFL level since the league is shifting more torwards a passing league.

I can understand his reasoning, but i too dont agree that hes a better prospect then Berry. I think its down right stupid to consider any DB in this draft better then Berry.

by Beatclash on Mar 10, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully someone agrees with him and he slips to us.

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 4:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

NFL scouts aren't dumb, but I hope they are.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t hurt to dream

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 7:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If you do it too often, it can be.

I want Berry, but we will not make the moves to get him and he won’t slip past the Jags or Dolphins, so slipping is out of the question.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Scouts aren't the ones making the picks though.

It’s the GM, and sometimes the owner (guy paying the checks) so anything is possible. Owner may decide there is no way I’m paying $10 million to a rookie safety so we will pass on him….

by hudd07 on Mar 11, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

DT's usually need a few years to develop

Hes not needed RIGHT now because of Franklin, but if Franklin is gone next season then Cody would be a great replacement, and also a full season better.

Aside from an O-linemen, or SS.. I dont see any player drafted really seeing major playing time right away on Offense or Defense.

by Beatclash on Mar 11, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Mayock?

He’s generally very good when it comes to the draft.

McShay is a [site decorum]

Kiper over thinks stuff sometimes.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes please somebody do this.

by mat.esty on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Has anyone else seen

The Fox video of Jonothan Crompton. He looks like an extremely accurate passer,
but wasn’t invited to the combine . Check it out !

by mensa on Mar 10, 2010 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Doug Farrar's Mock Draft

Part 1
Part 2

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions  

1st 10 picks happen like this, and I'd be running to trade back both picks.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I probably would too

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

did you see demarius thomas in the 1st round? Ahead of lafell and benn? I doubt it.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It COULD happen, but probably not. Especially considering

that he broke his foot. Had he not, there may have been a good chance of it happening. I think he will be an early 2nd. Benn, Gilyard, Damian Williams, and LaFell also. I really only expect Bryant and Tate to go in the first. For the wide receivers I think we’re going to see a heavy hit in selections from rounds 2-4.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 11, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

based on a realistic scenario

i would hope for gaither, but not giving up our first rounder.
in the draft, go with spiller with our 13th and mays with pick 17.

this improves tackle situation, the biggest problem we have and gives the niners spiller, who’s extremely talented, and mays, I think he’ll end up being the second best safety out of this draft.

on non-niner news, with the browns shopping quinn around now, i could see them moving up to draft one of the top 2 qbs (bradford/clausen) or just hope one of them falls to 7. if quinn is gone, i don’t see them leaving the first round without a quarterback

by thewhizkid on Mar 10, 2010 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

I like Iupati. Not Spiller or Mays.

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 4:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

well we’ll be giving up our first rounder. thats restricted free agency. we don’t really have leverage to talk them out of it, unless we send them a reciever or something.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Alabama ILB Rolando McClain became winded at the Crimson Tide’s Pro Day Wednesday, and revealed afterwards that he has Crohn’s disease.

Jaguars QB David Garrard also has it. The inflammatory disease is treatable, but can cause abdominal pain and complications ranging from dehydration to arthritis. McClain has dealt with Crohn’s since his freshman year in high school. It probably won’t knock McClain out of the first round, but can’t help.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Chrohn's can be nasty

I have a friend with Chrohn’s and it took her a long time to get it under control.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

If he drops to us at 17 and Spiller is gone do you think we would go for him?

by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

meh

I think he would be a great #2 inside linebacker in the 3-4, personally. But i just never really became such a big fan of him. The team also has other more pressing needs, adding a linebacker to eventually replace Spikes can be done in the later rounds.

by Beatclash on Mar 10, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t think so, but you never know

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 11, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess it depends on you is available other than him.

by gbears16 on Mar 11, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s usually the kicker. But there is also a chance that he isn’t even on the Niners board depending on what their intentions are with Franklin and if they are going to try and get a deal done to secure him for the next few years

What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

More Mock Drafts ... but these limited to the 49ers

I have two 49ers mock drafts for your consideration; first, the “pipedream version” (wouldn’t it be great!), and then the “what’s realistic version.” With a little luck here and there I think that the “realistic version” is achievable. In both cases I have assumed that the Niners do not sign a major free agent who would impact the draft needs, and that no draft picks would be traded away.

After each draftees name are two numbers in parenthesis. The R number represents the average overall ranking relative to all draftees; it is simply the mean of player rankings by DraftTek, Huddle Report, and Draft Scout (for example, Berry is ranked #2, #3, and #2 by the three services respectively, so his [average] ranking is 2.33 or rounded to 2). The G number represents the grade given to the prospect by the scouting service on a scale of 100 (for example, Berry is graded a 97).

With that, here are my picks:

PIPEDREAM VERSION

1A (13). FS Eric Berry / Tennessee (R2, G97)
1B (17). OT Bryan Bulaga / Iowa (R10, G95)
2 (49). CB Kyle Wilson / Boise State (R33, G93)
3 (79). OG Jon Asamoah / Illinois (R65, G80)
4 (110). SWR Andre Roberts / Citadel (R119, G72) SWR = Slot Wide Receiver
5 (141). SS Myron Rolle / Florida State (R169, G66)
6. (172). KR/CB A. J. Jefferson / Fresno State (R193, G30 re: CB; drafting as KR/PR)
7 (208). TWR Stephen Williams / Toledo (R398, G35) TWR = Tall Wide Receiver

REALISTIC VERSION

1A (13). CRB/KR/PR C. J. Spiller / Clemson (R10, G95)
1B (17). OG Mike Iupati / Idaho (R16, G94)
2 (49). TWR Demaryius Thomas / Georgia Tech (R44, G88) OR
                            WR Arrelious Benn / Illinois (R52,G92)
3 (79). OT Rodger Saffold / Indiana (R68,G80) OR
                            OT Jared Veldheer / Hillsdale (R75, G72)
4 (110). SWR Andre Roberts / Citadel (R119,G72)
5 (141). SS Myron Rolle / Florida State (R169,G66)
6 (172). CB Walter Thurmond / Oregon (R181, G62)
7 (208). QB Zak Robinson / Oklahoma State (R189,G54)

There you have it. What do you think?

Just a couple of post-notes:
1. At Pick 13, Okung and Bulaga will be gone; I don’t like Davis or Williams at all; and Campbell and Brown are too much of a reach at 17; therefore, I settled on taking Iupati to replace Baas and going down to the next talent level available at Pick 79 for a RT.
2. I prefer Thomas and Saffold to Benn and Veldheer, but the first two may not be available at Picks 49 and 79 respectively; in which case, we select the other guy.
3. I think that Robinson is an interesting prospect; selected him to give Davis a challenge as the “project QB OTF”; then, choose between them at the end of training camp.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 10, 2010 6:22 PM PST reply actions  

If been were to fall to us in the 2nd I hope we pick him but that’s only because I go to Illinois nad really think his struggles were due to Juice sucking.

by gbears16 on Mar 10, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I like both, and I would be happy with either, or.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 11, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Terrence Cody weighed in at his Pro Day at a svelte 349

From 370 at the Senior Bowl to 354 at the Combine to 349 at his Pro Day. The kid is really helping his draft stock here. Would not surprise me to see him picked in the 1st round now.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

Liposuction? Haha

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by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd have a weight limitation in his contract and move forward, he is a beast at NT.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure there will be a weight clause in whatever contract he signs

I don’t think his agent will advise against it either cause the skinnier he is, the better chance his agent has to make more cash off him… if he’s any good in the NFL that is.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the main concerns with Cody

Was how horribly he manages his weight. Some scouts say its a direct reflection of his work ethic. Considering how much money could possibly be at stake, it doesnt suprise me that hes cutting down.

by Beatclash on Mar 10, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd sign him and put a weight clause in his contract

lots of NT have weight clauses in their contracts (Casey Hampton’s new contract has one for example).

If he can stay at 340-345 or even down to 335-340 he’ll be a great NT to have and with more and more teams switching to the 3-4 there’s a premium on those.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd spend a 17 on him before Iupati

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Same here.

Hes the ultimate space-eater. Perfect for a 3-4 defense.

by Beatclash on Mar 11, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm on board here too.

Only thought process is, do you want to spend 17th pick for a guy that may see the field in 50% of our plays on defense as a starter (and is not needed due to Franklin), or a guy that sees 100% of plays on offense and is in a position of need.

by hudd07 on Mar 11, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Just depends on the position on offense, NT's is the most difficult position to fill.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

LG

I agree with you on Cody. I’m actually a fan of his. But if you read Scouts Inc write up on him, Cody is looking at playing about 50% of our defensive snaps as a STARTER. Do you grab a guy like that, when we already have someone in place (Big question is can we resign Franklin), or grab a guy that plays 100% of our Offensive snaps, fills a position with a big need at LG, and possibly moving to RT which is 2nd most important position on line.

I feel what you are saying regarding NT, and we could grab him, but in 1st round, I think we want 2010 starters being that we have a chance to win the division NOW.

by hudd07 on Mar 11, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

For a NT yes

I mean look at the contracts that Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork just got as NTs.

For a 3-4 team that’s the position of greatest need. I’m pretty confident that Cody will go in the 1st round.

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by smileyman on Mar 11, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Only because he is a NT. But we don't need him. However due to the position, it is one that takes a few years to grasp and if you keep him in the weight room turn a lot of that fat into muscle, you could have a Brute that redefines the position.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

What you might be able to do with that (drafting Cody) is plug him in at NT and slide Franklin over to LDE.

What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

DT's usually need a few years to develop

Hes not needed RIGHT now because of Franklin, but if Franklin is gone next season then Cody would be a great replacement, and also a full season better.

Aside from an O-linemen, or SS.. I dont see any player drafted really seeing major playing time right away on Offense or Defense.

by Beatclash on Mar 11, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Singletary was at the Cincinatti Pro day checking out Tony Pike and Mardy Gilyard

In fact he was the only head coach there.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

Yup

He apparently liked what he saw

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta link smiley

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100310/SPT0101/303100079/UC+pro+day+good+for+duo

He also spent time talking to Alex Daniels there who plays both FB and SS.

The reaction bit to GIlyard was something I saw on NFLN.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sure his story was intriguing as well.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Gilyard has a great story

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind getting Gilyard in the 2nd. I would rather have Benn or Thomas if they are there though. Better blockers and big physical precense downfield.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 11, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Thomas, but I think special teams has more to do with it.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

If we get Gilyard, we won’t get Spiller

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 11, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I know, just like if we get Thomas we won't get Berry.

I tell ya, I can see it now, with the 13th overal pick of the 2010 nfl draft the san francisco 49ers select, earl thomas, safety texas univeristy.

Although it’s against the 6 fot rule………….lol

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

So is Berry though.....

“Although it’s against the 6 fot rule”

by hudd07 on Mar 11, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

???

Berry is 6 foot, did you not see the combine?

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That means the NFL will list him at 6’2" haha

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 11, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I double checked, I found one or two sites stating he is 6 ft.

But most said 5 ft 11 5/8 inches. That’s only 5/8 inch taller than Spiller.

by hudd07 on Mar 12, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Where do you think Tony Pike will fall.

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 9:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Pike will go 2nd or 3rd round probably

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

My money is on 2nd and to the Rams.

I think he’s the best QB in the draft.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Pike a lot too but I wouldn't say he's the best in the draft right now

I do think he has by far the most upside of any QB in the draft.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I include tht when I talk about the player

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Where do you think Tony Pike will fall.

by manraj7 on Mar 10, 2010 9:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Why wasn't hat at Alabama's pro day to see McClain is what is puzzling to me.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably because he's not considering a LB in the 1st?

Wouldn’t have mattered anyway since McClain didn’t finish all his drills.

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by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure we had someone there

assistant coaches, McC, scouts

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by smileyman on Mar 11, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope not

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, who would want to trade up to 17 and why?

I am thinking maybe SD, for Cody, Matthews, or even SPiller if he is there.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

If Spiller is there at 17 and we don't take him at 13

I think we take him for ourselves.

If he is gone, and we didn’t get him, there could be a few teams that would have players they love at 17. It’s hard to tell which teams though without actually being in the war rooms. Sometimes teams like guys that you wouldn’t normally suspect on the surface. It just goes down sometimes like that.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Mike Iupati at Rt?

I just read that he did pretty good at Rt, so why not get him,also if that doesn’t work out for him there he can always replace Baas at Lg.

by Lyken84 on Mar 10, 2010 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

BERRY-BEST!

Trade up to get Eric Berry, then take Jahvid Best in the 2nd round!

by bayarea1985 on Mar 11, 2010 1:35 AM PST reply actions  

MoCk,,,,,,,,LOLine Help!

FA- Atogwe !!!!!!!!!

1a-RT Anthony Davis
1b- OG Mike Lupati
2- RB Jahvid Best
3- Syd’Quan Thompson
4- WR- Jacoby Ford
5- Walter thurmand

Two of the best Oline prospects/COP back/ Slot WR/three KR/PR/ Depth at CB
Atogwe= stater

I think it is going to be huge for us to fill a big need in FA. Then we can really do some damage in the draft..

by GMARCH on Mar 11, 2010 1:57 AM PST reply actions  

Jahvid Best won't be there at #49

He’ll be gone at the end of the 1st or beginning of the second.

Not a bad idea to use him as a COP back and return guy though as that will reduce the worries about additional concussions.

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by smileyman on Mar 11, 2010 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Who do you think would take him??

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Teams needing RBs

Lions at 34
Redskins at 37
Raiders at 39
Seahawks at 40 if they don’t get someone in the 1st
Pats at 44
Pats again at 47

We could see Best and Matthews gone before we pick again at 49

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by smileyman on Mar 11, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he will come off of the board before Matthews.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

COP back

Other than Spiller and Best, who would be the next back we would take.. Mcluster??

by GMARCH on Mar 11, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m against getting any COP back before the 4th round..
the only 2 I’d want the Niners to draft are Joe McKnight(Possible 4th rounder) or Jake Sharp(6th rounder)

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 11, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Coker is a possibility too

Lemarcus Coker, Hampton RB but was a starter at Tenn till had to leave for personal issues.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 12, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

wouldn’t atogwe cost a 1st and a 3rd? also I think the rams will match. They aren’t really clearing house their, they’re just trying to raise the average talent level of the team, and he’s one of their best players.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

No

They tendered him at the lowest offer which means they only have to match whatever offer is given and won’t get any compensation.

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by smileyman on Mar 11, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

No he’ll cost no pick he was tendered as right of first refusal.

by manraj7 on Mar 11, 2010 9:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

wow, he was a 2nd round right? well, they’d probably match the offer just because its us.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 11, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why we are going to wait, to see if they offer him a $7 million contract.

If they don’t, he becomes a UFA June 1st and any team can sign him, and Rams don’t have option to match.

by hudd07 on Mar 11, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope we sign him.

by manraj7 on Mar 12, 2010 11:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

From RayRay39:
Here’s my version of the draft as of 3/10. Let me know what you think guys.

1 Rams – Sam Bradford – Let’s be real, as much as I like Suh, no one spends that kind of money on a DT, although if they pick up Derek Anderson, they could take him.
2 Lions – Ndamukong Suh – They’ll take the best DT available and have one of the better D lines in the league.
3 Bucs – Gerald McCoy – Bucs take the best DL still on the board.
4 Redskins – Russell Okung – Just don’t see a QB worth taking here now that Bradford’s off the board. I think Shanahan fixes the line this year and goes after Jake Locker next year.
5 Chiefs – Eric Berry – One of the top 3 players on the board drops into KC’s lap here. He may turn out to be rookie of the year.
6 Seahawks – Jimmy Clausen – I don’t care what people say about him being cocky. You have to be that way as a QB and in Pete Carrol’s offense, he’ll be a star…in a few years that is.
7 Browns – Joe Haden – The Browns have plenty of needs but they team this guy with Wright and their defensive backfield is set for many years.
8 Raiders – Bruce Campbell – The Raiders take a position of need but go with the workout wonder rather than a more polished player like Bulaga or Trent Williams, but this is Al Davis we’re talking about.
9 Bills – Brian Bulaga – With Bradford and Clausen off the board Buffalo has to go offensive line and Bulaga is the best tackle on the board.
10 Jaguars – Derrick Morgan – Could go a number of ways here but Jack Del Rio is a defensive coach and will go with a defensive lineman here. Pierre-Paul could also be an option.
11 Broncos (CHI) – Dez Bryant – Assuming they trade Brandon Marshall, receiver becomes their number 1 priority.
12 Dolphins – Dan Williams – With Ferguson suspended the first 8 games, the Dolphins need a dominant DT to occupy the middle and Williams is just the man.
13 49ers – Trent Williams – The 49ers are an offensive line away from being a very good team. They’re defense is fairly dominant and they have excellent skill players but the line needs help and Trent Williams gives them an immediate fixture at RT. Teaming him up with Staley gives them two bookend tackles for years to come.
14 Seahawks (DEN) – C.J. Spiller – Do you really think Pete Carroll will let this guy get past him at this pick? I think this will be Denver’s pick after the Seahawks take Marshall of their hands, but for now we’ll go with Spiller.
15 Giants – Rolando McClain – The Giants need help at LB and McClain gives them a very good one to build around.
16 Titans – Jaso Pierre-Paul – They need DL help bad and they’re hoping that JPP is the next coming of the Freak. Either way he fills a big need for the Titans.
17 49ers (CAR) – Taylor Mays – It hurts me to put his name here and not Earl Clark, but Singletary likes big, punishing hitters and that’s exactly what Mays is. He’s taken a beating for his cover skills but I heard he had a great meeting with the Niners brass and they really could use a safety in the mold of Ronnie Lott.
18 Steelers – Mike Iupati – They need O-line help and Iupati brings that and a mean streak to Pittsburgh. A perfect marriage for these two.
19 Falcons – Brandon Graham – After picking up Duanta Robinson they address the DL with this pick.
20 Texans – Earl Thomas – The Texans get two wins with this pick, getting a local guy and filling a need in their defensive backfield with the departure of the aforementioned Robinson.
21 Bengals – Golden Tate – I think they’ll sign TO in the next few days but they still need a slot guy to catch the ball underneath and turn a 5 yard catch into a 30 yard one. Tate is that man.
22 Patriots – Brandon Spikes – The Pats could also go D-line here but I don’t see them letting Spikes get past them if he’s available.
23 Packers – Anthony Davis – The Packers could use some D line help as well but getting Davis here is just too good to pass up.
24 Eagles – Sean Witherspoon – I also think Brian Price is a strong possibility here but the Eagles need LB help bad and Witherspoon will be a great backer in Philly.
25 Ravens – Arrelious Benn- They just got Boldin from AZ but one receiver doesn’t fix it all, especially if they lose Mason. Benn is a big receiver who can get open across the middle and win jump balls in the endzone, similar to a former running mate of Boldin.
26 Cardinals – Sergio Kindle – With all the 1st round offensive linemen off the board the Card’s pick up the successor to Karlos Dansby.
27 Cowboys – Brian Price – The Cowboys could use another quaility DL, especially if they lose Marcus Spears. Price is a beast who gets into the backfield more often than not and will make life easier on D Ware.
28 Chargers – Ryan Mathews – The Chargers need an every down running back and this guy can definitely carry the load.
29 Jets – Everson Griffin – Vernon Gholsten has been a huge bust and the Jets may give up on him before the season starts so they’ll need someone to slip right in. That’s where Mr. Griffin comes in.
30 Vikings – Kyle Wilson – There aren’t too many needs for this team but an upgrade at corner or nickel would be high on their list. He’ll be a good one.
31 Colts – Jared Odrick – The Colts need DL help bad and this guy really adds depth to their line. Gary Brackett will like this pick after resigning long-term in Indy.
32 Saints – Maurkice Pouncey- Not too many needs for the Super Bowl champs but o-line depth is always good and this guy can play C and both guard positions. The rich get richer.

I think the Niners will address their return man needs in the 2nd or 3rd round with a Mardy Gilyard type player. They’ll get a pass rusher in one of those rounds as well. This draft is too deep to reach.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

Don’t care about Jimmy Clausen being cocky? I’ll bet the Chargers were saying the same about Ryan Leaf when they drafted him. Reporters of whatever team drafts him had better watch their step in that locker room

Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.

by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 11, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

and then the chargers drafted phillip rivers, who is also arrogant and cocky. its not a good thing, but that alone can’t kill a prospect.

by hellaninersfan on Mar 11, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m saying it didn’t really work out for the Chargers, ignoring that fact. It’s not a deal-breaker, but it’s certainly something to keep an eye on

Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.

by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

From Bubz415:
Has anyone ever thought that Taylor Mays just might be our new Ronnie Lott just bigger. I really wasn’t big on him until I remembered when Lott was drafted we won a super bowl.The the only thing we need on offense in the 1st round is Spiller then Mays, in the 2nd & 3rd rounds a CB and a RT. In the 4th round Myron Rolle hopefully will still be available, I’m not gonna go all the rounds because after that its a shakeup.They should also sign Ryan Lilja

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

Responses to Bubz:
Ronnie Lott

has very little in common with Mays. Ronnie was a damn good cornerback who could change games with his hitting. He could actually cover recievers pretty well , PRO BOWL well if I remember correctly. Mays can’t cover , he can only hit !!

by mensa on Mar 11, 2010 12:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mays

Yeah Mays is a great hitter, but that’s all. He lacks the necessary techniques that it takes to cover the receivers in today’s game. Lott had all the right tools to play corner and both safety positions.

by Jaye Freezie on Mar 11, 2010 8:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
#42

actually knew how to tackle. Mays doesn’t wrap up when he goes for the big hit, or go for the ball when he has a chance to do it (anyone remember the Notre Dame game?). If he somehow drops to the third or fourth round, then I wouldn’t mind drafting him as a project.

by Mdizzle138 on Mar 11, 2010 9:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
3rd or 4th round?

hahahahaha your crazy. Theres not a chance he slips out of the first round, let alone falls to the 4th.

by forty9ers3298 on Mar 11, 2010 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
read between the lines, it means i don’t think he’s worth ANY of our picks. i don’t care HOW athletic he is. he is horrible at coverage. why would you draft a safety who can’t even guard against the pass anywhere near the first two rounds?

by Mdizzle138 on Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
49ers 4 life

We need the steal of the draft……Brandon Graham the most dominating player at the senior bowl other than the Cb Wilson those are my 2 #1 draft picks…..please get them and plz stay away from ne OT in the first round there all gonna b bust…….trent williams is kwame harris waiting to happen….Plus Graham broke off every ot in the draft hes 4 real

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

From 9ernorm:
Last year I said they needed to take Clay Matthews, but they did not. Pro-bowl as a rookie, this year they should take Taylor Mays. He will be a great player that may be almost as good as Ronnie Lott. Beware don’t miss this guy. You all said that Clay Matthews was not worth a no. 1, well he had 10 sacks more than anybody on the 49ers. HMMM Crabtree is a 2nd receiver not a number 1, besides he has a attitude issues and missed 5 games cause he thought he was worthy of more $$- wrong.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

Responses:
49ers were six places above the Packers in sacks last season…

…with third in the league. We did just fine without Matthews and had several other players we were developing for Matthews’ role at the position. Everybody with half a brain knew Matthews was going to be good, granted not a ton of people knew it’d happen so fast. Either way you’re talking a lot lotta mess I ain’t tryin’ to hear about Michael Crabtree. To put it simply, you’re wrong about Crabtree and have no idea what you’re talking about as far as his production goes. Crabtree brings a ton of skill at the WR position and will be this team’s number one receiver for years. To say he’s a number two option is ludicrous, one of the best receiving prospects in years and years. And yeah, he missed five games and still came in and instantly produced even with an Alex Smith constantly putting balls a couple of feet above his head.

tl;dr you’re not a draft guru, you’re not a talent evaluator, you’re not right and you just got lucky, which leads me to believe you write for ProFootballTalk or something. That’s right, Mr. Florio, I’ve found you!

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.

by Ninjames on Mar 11, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Pro Day Prospect Risers

Jake Sharp – RB – All round back. Ran a 4.34

Jameson Konz – Former LB, switching to TE, 6-3 235lbs, runs a 4.38 40 time, and has a vertical of 46 inches

Alex Daniels – DE/OLB – Very intense player, remember him from the Florida game, plays with a huge chip on his shoulder. Ran a 4.55 40 time. (Sing was at Cinci’s pro-day)

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 11, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

INteresting...Verry interesting

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 11, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

2 Birds 1 stone

Brit Miller or Ahmad Brooks fail.. insert Daniels

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 6. Jake Sharp 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 12, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

No thanks

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Which are you no thanks-ing?

All of them or one or two or what?

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 12, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I was more seeing "Ands" LOL

No replacement

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 12, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

at that speed and able to catch out of the back

Could put him at RB on some plays. Have Miller block for him.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 12, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Whoops sorry got the guys mixed up

It’s Konz that ran a 4.38. Wonder how his hands and routes are.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 12, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

From 49ers4eva:
Brandon Graham the kid from michigan …absolute beast …there isnt a tackle in this years draft that could contain him…just ask Bulaga at the senior bowl..kyle wilson was the other dominating player that showed up at the senior bowl and would look really good in red and gold…all these ots in the 1st round are kwame harris look alikes …so plz MCglo stay away and draft different makers………Or convert KENTRUCK BALMER to rt tackle

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

LOL

I would love to see K. Balmer at RT. Maybe even if it was just for extra points he’d be doing more than he is now!

But there are some good tackles in this draft, and we gotta grab one of them. I would love to get the big name guys, but 9ers can’t keep having oline problems. And I’m sick of it being an excuse for Alex Smith!

by GMARCH on Mar 11, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't thrown out a Niners mock in a while so here goes...

1a- C.J. Spiller RB- Clemson
1b- Mike Iupati OG/ T- Idaho
2- Roger Saffold OT- Indiana
3- Brandon Ghee CB- Wake Forest
4- Reshad Jones S- Georgia
5- Freddie Barnes WR- Bowling Green
6- Reggie Carter ILB- UCLA
6 (comp ’09)- Dexter Davis- 34OLB
7- John Skelton QB- Fordham

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

Just Freddie as WR picked up?

I like it overall ..planning on maybe bringing in a UDFA WR to be the slot/speed guy?

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 12, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually like the guys we have. I have been thinking alot about this because of Florida Danny’s post in regards to the WR’s… I am actually all for Crabtree, Morgan, and J. Hill. Crabtree is going to be the number one for sure, Morgan works really well as the number two (just need to concentrate more), and Hill made some big plays out of the slot last year (he bailed Alex out a few times). Plus Brandon Jones with a full training camp and healthy again could prove to be a threat and step up. He only had a couple passes thrown his way last year but both were bad throws and he went after them and go them. He made some great circus catches while with Tennesse and in college at Oklahoma as well. If we add one more guy like Barnes later on to push, he could have a helluva WR corp. Continuity is key. With the additions of Spiller and the Oline picks, we will have a tough offense I believe.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the OG and RT. Really strengthens our line.

You like Saffold better than Valdheer or do you think JV won’t be there at our pick? Just curious.

by hudd07 on Mar 12, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Both

I like Stafford a bit better than Veldheer, he moves better and is quicker with his feet. He can recover quicker. But I think the recent hype will get JV drafted ahead of Saffold which for me, works out perfectly.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

John Skelton

I think this guy could give Nate Davis a run for his money as a 7th Rdr and could end up being a starter someday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY3_onk6QlM

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

6'5" ...mobile... big arm

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Forgot to mention accurate and great footwork also (one of Bill Walsh’s pet peeves)

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you...

for putting Skelton in there. This would be a dream draft in my eyes. All needs are addressed, even if they aren’t all gonna pan out.

by 9thevolution on Mar 12, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I like Skelton a lot… I think he could end up being like a Tom Brady type of pick. Big words and big prediction, I know, but the guy has every single tangible and intangible you could ask for in a QB.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Feedback on Drew's Latest Niner Mock

In general, I really like it, but …
1. I’d like Chris Cook (Virginia) as the CB in the third round in preference to Ghee; however, I’m not sure that either one of them will be available at #79. Cook is ranked at #63 and Ghee at #67.
2. I like Rashad Jones as the safety draftee but, since he rated at #89, he probably won’t still be available at #110.
3. To solve these difficulties, how about drafting Jones at #79 and substituting Walter Thurmond as our CB candidate at Pick #141. Interestingly, Thurmond’s rating grade is only four points lower than Ghee’s; 62 vs. 66.
4. Then, since we couldn’t draft Barnes at 141 (taking Thurmond instead), pick Andre Roberts (Citadel), rating grade 72, as a slot WR at Pick #110. Looking a 40 times for the better slot prospects you have Ford 4.28, Roberts 4.46, McCluster 4.54, Gilyard 4.62, and Barnes 4.65.
5. Finally, how about Cam Sheffield (OLB from Troy) rather than Carter at Pick#172?

by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 12, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Player rankings

You have to take those with a grain of salt. There more or less just a general guideline. Players could go one way or another from their “rankings” by as many 20-30 slots. Personally I like Cook but I think Ghee has more upside. Cam Sheffield is an OLB Carter is an ILB, Takeo Spikes needs to train a guy to take over for him when he leaves. Carter’s measurables line up better than most with Takeo which means he can implement what Spikes teaches him faster and easier than anyone else at that slot. The comp pick addresses the OLB spot and Davis is an animal off the edge.

On 4, I dont think we need more than one CB in this draft, hence the WR pick. Thurmands stock went up because of what Deion said at the combine. Before that he was projected in most scenarios at a 6th rounder. Consider his injury in to the equation when evaluating. I don’t care much about 40-times… Jerry Rice had one of the slower 40-times when he was drafted; what I care about the most is game speed and quickness. I really dont put a TON of stock in to rankings which it seems like you’ve done here. I trust my judgement over some of the rankings better.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

spell check… didn’t edit before I hit post… hopefully you can piece that together.

"If you're not first, you're last" -Reese Bobby.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 12, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said, Drew ...

I understand your points and reasoning. In general I’m not big on 40 times either, but I really think that the Niners’ present WR corp could be greatly improved with two additions: (1) a big, fast guy (unlike Crabs and Morgan) who can stretch the field vertically, and (2) a fast, quick slot receiver. I’d love to have Thomas for the former and several guys fit for the latter. Since the latter will have to come from a later round, I thought that Roberts made sense and wanted to reflect his relative speed to other later-round prospects. What do you think of Roberts relative to others?

Would we prefer to get a higher-round ILB (and OLB) prospect next year?

Re:4, I don’t think either Cook or Ghee will be available at Pick #49; that’s why I suggested Thurmond at a later pick. I would love to be wrong on this one, and be able to add either Cook or Ghee.

Speaking of next year, what are your thoughts on drafting Kai Forbath in a middle round in 2011? I like Nedley, but like me, he’s getting pretty long in the tooth.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Mar 13, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep I have to agree with you

We need a “big boy” at the #2 and a speed slot at the 3 WR. Maybe I’m wrong in that assessment but that’s what I’d like to have. I’m thinking Thomas and someone along the lines of a later round speedster. Roberts, maybe Reed, Gettis, Easley, Sanders. I know we have Hill but wouldn’t hurt to get a late round speedster.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 13, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Ghee/Cook

I don’t see why they would be selected before pick 49.

I am one of Ghee’s biggest supporters and I wouldn’t like to see us draft him in the 2nd (3rd round would be great)

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

From demise_87
As the draft gets closer and closer i know alot of us cant wait till that day in april to finally welcome in the new 49er members that we will be aquiring thru the draft. I guess to alot of us its like christmas like someone had mentioned in a post the other day. The excitement builds as the draft gets closer and closer and we niner fans cant wait to see what this years draft is gonna bring us. Im not sure if any of you guys have had any dreams about this years draft or any draft in particular and im not sure if its an odd thing or not but here it goes. Last night while sleeping i had a dream about well this years draft and im not sure if these scenarios can happen or not but i guess anything can happen in your dreams so here it goes. As i sat there on my couch with my chips, dip and my beer at hand, i saw roger goodell step up to the podium and say “With the 13th pick in the 2010 draft the San Francisco 49ers select…….Russell Okung out of Oklahoma”. My heart started beating with excitement and i was as happy as i have been in a draft since the niners selected vernon davis with the 6th overall and im not sure how he fell to 13th but then again i was dreaming. The night wasnt done there it got even better, later on in the draft an announcement was made and it went something like this “The San Francisco 49ers and the new orleans saints have agreed to trade the niners 2nd round pick and Glenn Coffee for a 3rd round new orleans pick and…….Reggie Bush”. I was in shock and i almost couldnt believe it, college superstar reggie bush for a second round pick? i have always been a fan of reggie even though he is not what he was supposed to be (pro bowl running back gaining more than 1000 yards every year) or at least thats what i thought he was gonna be. Still i was happy that alex and reggie were gonna be teammates once more and the feeling alex would feel a little more comfortable with his old high school teammate on the roster. Still that would leave us with one more first round selection and well that one went something like this “With the 17th pick in the 2010 draft the san francisco 49ers select……….Taylor Mays out of USC”. Once again i was excited because everyone knows how much help we need at the safety position. All in all i think i was really excited before i woke up, to have those guys on our team before the season started would make us a definate for the playoffs. Im glad i could share this dream with you guys and well now i would like to ask you guys for your opinions to see what you guys think if my dream were to come true and if it were even possible.

P.S I wrote this rather quickly before i forgot about the scenario and while at work so please dont be so harsh.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 12, 2010 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

That Was A Little Bit Of Craziness.

Anyway. I was skimming through certain mock drafts of the internet and came up with an “unrealistic” draft possibility for the 49ers, but one that could happen if all falls into place, much like it did with Michael Crabtree last season

1. FS- Eric Berry
I don’t think he will fall to 13 but with the moves made by teams ahead of the 49ers it has become more possible; also the fact that safety isn’t a major value pick early in the 1st would help the 49ers.

1. RB- CJ Spiller:
There are only a few options for Spiller before the 49ers select at 17. Cleveland would be one, but that is too high to grab the Clemson RB, i am worried about the Chickens at 14, but i see them going with Mays instead and looking for Best in the 2nd.

2. OT- Charles Brown: I see 5 tackles going in the first 14 picks, then a major down time at that position. Green Bay and Arizona both need tackles near the end of the 1st round, but i see them both passing up on Brown. In terms of the Skins at the top of the 2nd, i see them going with Pouncey.

3. CB- Donovan Warren:
His 40 time at the combine has really hurt him, much like Joe Haden, but for Warren i think it is worse. He was projected to be a mid 1st round pick to begin with, so i can see the likes of Franks, Cox, Robinson, Ghee and Jackson going ahead of him

4. WR- Jacoby Ford
: This might be a little bit of a reach, at the very least Ford will go to the Raiders at the end of the 3rd round, but players like Mike Williams and Jordan Shipley who have received more exposure leading up to the draft may get picked ahead of Ford.


5. G/C- Eric Olsen
6. LB- Dakoda Watson
6. DE- Jermaine Cunningham
7. WR- Trindon Holliday

"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Mar 12, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Moch

I’m calling the niners first three picks
1a- Bulaga
1b- Mays
2- Gilyard

Not what i want but wouldn’t be mad..

by GMARCH on Mar 13, 2010 1:00 AM PST reply actions  

Mockkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk***

by GMARCH on Mar 13, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Comments on Mock

A few comments on your mock: I love the Spiller pick, he fills 3 needs with 1 pick. The special teams were horrible last year, he’s a change of pace to Gore, you can line him up in the slot and he can be a vertical threat. With 7-8 special teams touches, 4-5 carries and maybe 3-4 catches, that’s about 14-16 touches a game, which is perfect for him and the Niners. I disagree about Okung being the only 1st round OT. Bulaga, Davis, Brown and Williams all have 1st round grades. Davis is dropping with some character issues, Brown is more of an athletic LT, Bulaga and Williams would be the best fit at RT. If one of them is available I think they go that way.

Other random thoughts: No way does Dez Bryant go in the top 10. He is falling as well due to character issues, maybe even out of the 1st round. Demaryius Thomas from Georgia Tech is rising fast, even though he broke his foot. Rams won’t go DL for the 3rd time in 4 years, if they pay big bucks it will be for Bradford. Reports are he’s healthy. As for more Niner prospects anyone know if Iupati can play tackle? As for later picks for the Niners how about Nate Allen or Jerome Murphy in the 2nd, Mike Johnson or John Jerry in the 3rd and Colin Peek, Terrell Troup later.

by ninernugget on Mar 13, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

Where are you seeing Bey Bey rising?

Not doubting you, just understanding your source.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 13, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Bryant falling out of first?

Bey Bey rising with a broken foot? Where are you getting your sources?

by hudd07 on Mar 13, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sick of Oline problems.. MOCK protect Smith!

FA- Atowge (sing is gonna get his son-in-law on the team..)

1a- RT Anthony Davis
1b- OG_Mike Lupati
2- WR Bey Bey Thomas
3- CB Syd’Quan Thompson
4- WR Jacoby Ford
5- CB Walter Thurmand
6/7 BPA

by GMARCH on Mar 13, 2010 1:24 PM PST reply actions  

Atogwe

Is not his son in law.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 13, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not yet.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Not bad picks realy except for Syd’Quan Thompson

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 13, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry reply fail.

Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 13, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see the Niners drafting a WR. Unless he has kr/pr ability.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.

by rlott#42 on Mar 13, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I can, but not that high

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 15, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

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