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Jed York: Back to the Future?


"This is the last time our season ends in December"

I gotta hand it Jed York. Even though technically he was correct with that statement, what he really meant was playoffs, and youth sometimes has a little bravado to go along with naivety. But boldness is a big part of leadership, and when you have big shoes to fill, the success of the franchise will be determined if the shoes you left behind will either be too tight for Shaquille O’Neal to wear, or the shoes being cast in bronze as baby’s first pair. Jed’s now famous words wasn’t a baby step into the future, but a Neil Armstrong step back to the Glory Days of "Super Bowl or Bust!!". Jed’s mini mission statement reminded us of a time where every year had the promise of a championship, and it helped erase years of mediocrity for just one moment. Head coaches, players, and GM’s come and go. While some people think that ownership really doesn't have much of an impact on the franchise, Jed York made it clear that day that they do. The thing is, now he has to back that statement up.

Star-divide

Even though Eddie DeBartolo left the 49ers in humiliating fashion, he still is beloved amongst the fanbase. A lot of that stems from his passion for the 49ers, and that trickled down to the coaches, players, and the fans. DeBartolo was far from perfect however. He was arrogant, brusque, emotional, and sometimes brutal as an owner. Even though George Seifert was one of the most successful head coaches in franchise history, he was unceremoniously replaced by Steve Mariucci. Mariucci was brought in as offensive coordinator at first, due to Marc Trestman’s ineffectiveness the year prior as OC, yet Seifert saw the writing on the wall and retired. What 49er fans weren’t realizing at that time was that the team already had started to decline due to poor drafts, then GM Carmen Policy’s arrogance, and the final nail in the coffin, the Salary Cap. They had also distanced themselves from the principles that the legendary Bill Walsh created within the organization. DeBartolo eventually had to give up control of the franchise, due to a scandal involving Louisiana ex-Governer Edwin Edwards. DeBartolo gave control of the team to his sister, Denise DeBartolo-York, who eventually became the owner, along with her husband John York.

When the Yorks took over the franchise, it was in deep peril. After Policy had left to become GM of the Cleveland Browns, the 49er front office was in complete disarray. John York has since brought in several GM’s (including Bill Walsh), and head coaches. The 49ers have only been to the playoffs twice under the York ownership, and in abrupt move after a playoff loss, fired then head coach Mariucci. The 49ers then went into a nosedive due to a myriad of reasons (poor decisions from the Front Office, and the Salary Cap purge) that eventually led them into a rebuild of the franchise. During this time, John York was getting skewered by the fanbase and the media. Some of the criticism was valid, yet John York really had a mess on his hands, and part of it was due to decisions made prior to he taking over. Yet, some decisions he made himself were poor ones, and the fans who were once faithful now had no faith in the ownership. Gone were the days of hoping for a playoff spot. Now are the days of just hoping to get to .500 football. That’s more of a reflection of where the true leadership lies, and that’s ownership.

Jed York is a lucky guy. Not because he is one of the youngest (if not the youngest) President of a NFL franchise. It’s that he has grown up witnessing the success and failures of the franchise firsthand that should help him succeed by looking at where the team failed. But he knows that the value of the brand lies in it’s faith in ownership. Whereas his parent’s stayed firmly in the background as owners, he is up front and in the foreground, letting people know the ownership does have the passion to win, and that they will try to succeed. But it takes a lot more than just saying words. A successful organization has to have a plan and stick to it. One could say that the 49ers are already on that plan and have been, but just without Mike Nolan in charge of it. Whether it's successful or not remains to be seen, yet it makes more sense to go along with it for the immediate future, since another full blown rebuild over this one can do a lot more damage if it isn't done properly. It’s pretty clear that Jed York is in charge, and his challenge is to bring the 49ers back to respectability. His decisions will impact the 49ers into the next decade, and he has to be careful with those decisions. Just how can he do it? That’s easy. Just look back.

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Nice article.

I hope Jed is our boy wonder and takes us to the promised land.

by hudd07 on Mar 9, 2010 4:23 PM PST reply actions  

He's our QBOTF?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 9, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it has nothing 2 with

This subject but takeio spikes was on N.F.L network explained the patrict willis twitter commernt he also gave nate davis the props he deserves in his young lol history.That was a good look even though takieo tried his best explain in willis defense ‘’ carr still came out looking like a scrub ’’

by jayjonna415 on Mar 9, 2010 4:46 PM PST reply actions  

I like Jed York and think he'll do a good job

Jed is 27 which is pretty young but Eddie was only 33. I always get the impression from Jed that he actually cares about fielding a winning team.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Me too.

I don’t think his father did. In fact, how often do you like your in-laws? I wonder if John York even like Eddie D as a person at all? I don’t think John even cared about the Football team. He cared more about his strip malls for sure.

by hudd07 on Mar 9, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

York is in his prime!

Fun Fact: Jonathan Sanchez threw his first no-no on my 13th birthday.

by Ramah71 on Mar 9, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it known how much interaction Jed has with his uncle?

You would think there is some considering some of the team actions as of late, i.e. bringing in former Niner coaches/players for personnel.) Jed seems to be really wanting to bring back elements of the old dynasty, and I think his uncle has got to have some kind of hand in it.

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

Its called NEPOSITISM: York is a York is a York

John York and Eddie DeBartolo are still there. Both of them still have ownership stakes in the 49ers. John York and Eddie DeBartolo are probably still telling Jed what to do. That’s why I think he’s just a puppet. You can’t really fire or change ownership. You can give the impression that things have changed or will be different— but in reality, it will remain the same.

Jed York took over the as president of the 49ers because the public and fan base lost confidence in him. However, nepotism will never get you anywhere— unless you are in direct blood relations.

So when is a York not a York? That is when you are a DeBartolo. Is there really a difference?

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

It was only a matter of time.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

lol this guy brightens up my day

Fun Fact: Jonathan Sanchez threw his first no-no on my 13th birthday.

by Ramah71 on Mar 9, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

NOT

Fun Fact: Jonathan Sanchez threw his first no-no on my 13th birthday.

by Ramah71 on Mar 9, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I love you guys too

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this way is better than me fighting with you all the time.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not fighting with you. I am just expressing my opinion. You may not agree with me— but that’s why it is so exciting!

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Well at least one of ya’s having fun eh?

by jonesin25 on Mar 9, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if Eddie is telling Jed what to do I'm ok with that

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay with a puppet regime? Ok… if you say so.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Eddie D gave us 4 Super Bowl rings

I’m ok with a guy giving us 4 rings pulling the strings.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you really serious? Do you happen to pick vegetables for a living?

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

What's wrong with being a farmer?

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

My grandfather was a farmer

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

What does this statement even mean? I’m okay with a guy who gave us 4 Super Bowl rings pulling the strings as well. So, people who think that an FO executive with a history of success having some say over how things are run isn’t the worst idea….must be a farmer for a living? What? And really, a “puppet regime”? This is a freaking football team. Most teams have minority owners, to go along with the other FO executives, so running the team is a concerted group effort. If Jerry Jones was taking advice from other minority owners and his other FO executives, would that make the Cowboys a “puppet regime”? A puppet regime, what nonsense.

xanthan: "Sabean is going to get 2 year extensions for the rest of our lives. We just need to deal with that realization."
Missing Barry: "If I deal with that realization and the realization that Cohan is never going to sell the Warriors….well, for my own health, I’m not going to acknowledge those things."

by the guy on Mar 9, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

"Puppet Regime"

Ok… imagine Jed York is a toy puppet made out of wood.

Since John York is Jed’s daddy, John can control Jed thru the direct line of nepotism.

Since Eddie DeBartolo Jr. is Jed’s big uncle, Eddie can control Jed thru an indirect line of nepotism.

See how the strings attach to the puppet?

I was going to bash Denise York but she’s somebody that rather be shopping for new shoes.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't mean

What does the statement “puppet regime” mean. I meant what does your statement about picking vegetables mean? That’s the comment I responded to.

xanthan: "Sabean is going to get 2 year extensions for the rest of our lives. We just need to deal with that realization."
Missing Barry: "If I deal with that realization and the realization that Cohan is never going to sell the Warriors….well, for my own health, I’m not going to acknowledge those things."

by the guy on Mar 9, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

More False Hope is strange.

He almost never makes sense; just “anti” everything. Apparently, it gives him a feeling of superiority.

by CorneliusJ on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s probably one of drummers many alias’

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

THAT was not necessary.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Like you are perfect

You say unecessary stufff everyday

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Did I say I was?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't have other alias'...

But if you don’t believe me, go ahead and ask Fooch or Howie. Once you find out the truth, then you would realize just how childish you are.

Or, maybe not realize it. Your choice.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

You have already stated that you have several computers. Dont buy it. Different IP’s.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Has he been to your house to check the IP's

on ALL your computers?

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Again, go ahead and ask Fooch..

You contact him directly as much as I do.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Jed is more of a Debartalo than a York

He spent a lot of time in his youth around the 49ers in the 80’s and 90’s.
His parents don’t want to run the club… Jed does and wants to win. Jed wants to be like his Uncle.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 9, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

The Yorks seem to shun the spotlight so Jed is now the face of the ownership. He also seems more passionate about winning. Growing up around the 49ers of the 80’s and 90’s and the Penguins in the NHL in the early 90’s helps.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 10, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, if it’s good enough for Great Britain.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah no kidding

At this point, what would we NOT do to get back to the glory days?

BTW, there’s a HUGE difference between a York and a DeBartolo. In the very least a DeBartolo gives a s#^t about the success of this team. Whoever doesn’t see it is hiding under a pretty big rock. & Puppet or no puppet, Who cares! It’s a team, it’s a business, it’s not running the f#*^ing country!

by Mangoman on Mar 9, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The current York ownership is about "Passive Ownership"

I put “passive ownership” in quotes because this is what Eddie DeBartolo Jr. always spoke that he was against. Basically, laying down to take up the rear from other teams doesn’t constitute active ownership.

Like most 49er fans, I’m tired of the losing here. Every NFL owner has to burn their own house eventually. However, no owner will never accept responsibility for their own arson.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 5:45 PM PST reply actions  

So if we go to the playoffs with Jed York running the show are you going to come here

and take back what you said?

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He has stuck around since his first anti-York post

Unlike most people that create accounts to bash ownership (falconsownniners)….

I’m guessing that if the 49ers make the playoffs and lose, he’ll come back and say it was John York’s fault the 49ers didn’t make it to the SB.
If they win a SB, he’ll probably complain about the score.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

So which other team are you going to?

Because it sounds like you don’t even want to give Jed York a chance to be successful.
Most of us here are tired of losing.. and if the OL had worked better we could have made the playoffs this year.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Mar 9, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

An 8-8 record doesn't sound successful
“This is the last time our season ends in December”

Did Jed York mean the 2008, 2009 or the 2010 season?

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

So let me repeat my question

when the 49ers go to the playoffs are you going to come back here and publically admit that you were wrong?

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 9, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure… okay. I’d love nothing better than the 49ers to make the playoffs. I’m a 49ers fan too. This is a good team that deserves a shot at redemption. We’ve all been waiting for 7 years. There’s enough talent and good coaching for this team to make the playoffs. I believe in the team… but the ownership hasn’t come thru to break the chains.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 9, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Owners don’t win games players do.

by manraj7 on Mar 9, 2010 9:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Owners hold the trophy

by bignerd on Mar 9, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Georgia Frontiere..

Holding one up was a travesty.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 9, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure why

I guess writting the checks means you helped them win.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Mar 10, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

message!

"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Mar 10, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Nice.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

So what? It’s a team sport… do they have a guy like Pat Willis on defense? Nope!

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Again..

They have Super Bowl MVP Drew Brees at quarterback.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t give me that. There have been several teams that have made it to the SB without great QB’s. That is a BS excuse and holds no weight

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I would have to agree

Look at Plunkett’s numbers when the Raiders won their SB’s. Not exactly stellar.

by Mangoman on Mar 10, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, he was pretty league average in 1980, but he was actually well above league average in 1983.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Rex Grossman, Hasselbeck, Delhomme, Gannon, Brad Johnson, Dilfer, Kerry Collins, Chris Chandler, Neil O’Donnell, Bobby Humphries, Mark Rypien, McMahon, Anderson, Stuback, Morton.

All average quarterbacks, all went to the Superbowl.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Gannon was an MVP..

Who put up great numbers that year. If fact, most QB’s that you have on this have better numbers than any 49er QB during their runs than any 49er QB right now.

:drewmeltin 5-4-3..:

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Good job… pluck one name out of the bunch. But guess what? Gannon’s CAREER numbers werent great. And in fact was from 1987-1999 considered to be a VERY inaccurate passer and a journeyman

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

You put out Super Bowl years..

Now you backpedaling. Nice.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Backpedaling from what? You avoided the main point as you always to be averting the comversation

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't avoiding anything..

It’s just that you’re melting, and I’m trying to keep you focused.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Focused on what? I have been making point after point after valid frikin point. You are too blind to see it is all

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

And

too negative as you have been throughout your time on NN

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

This is fun and all, but don’t you guys get tired?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Im done with it… it’s no use.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

IIRC...

I’m not the first person you questioned on loyalty here. Made you look kinda stupid in retrospect, didn’t it?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really

I’m writing articles here aren’t I?

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And thus, I post on the FP once in a while too..

You would think a “hater” like me would post all kinds of negative stuff now that I have access, wouldn’t you?
 
See, this is what you don’t get. Calling people out in petty tantrums due to how you think they should be as fans is not only hypocritical, but foolish because you assume way to many things about that poster. But they still at least give you some respect, yet you blow it by acting out like a child. If you’ve actually read anything I posted on the FP, then you would realize that I’m not posting stuff here for my own entertainment, but trying to entertain the people who read them. It’s still a work in progress with me, but I haven’t posted any diatribes or manifestos against the 49ers or their organization because the posts are meant for other people to form or post theirs after reading them. They’re meant to respect the forum and the readers here. If you disagree with the FP post, go ahead and tell me why you do. But to go back to how you were as a poster when you first got here with your arrogant stance on how a person should think and feel about their choice of entertainment (which is a football team, not a political stance that directly affects you) because of things I posted as a reader only means that you still have bigger issues than I can help you with, and to crap all over this comment section with your bullcrap makes you look idiotic. You have zero respect for anybody that doesn’t think like you do, and now you are regressing into the boorish behavior that you had to apologize for in the past.

This is the last time I will address this here. Again, if you have a problem with it, too bad. That’s they way it is.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong

but whatever you want to say to try and justify your negativity toward the 49ers players and front office is your biz.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I happen to think that Alex Smith will be above average this year if he stays healthy for the duration too which increase the chances even more.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Far cry..

From when you were calling him a bust early last season. Nice.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Say what you will but at least I support my team and don’t bash them every chance I get.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

You are notorious for it

You did it all year long

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

If you have a problem with that..

too freakin’ bad.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Why are you even here if you hate the team and ownership so much. Go watch golf or something

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

What it's to you?..

It’s a free country, and everybody has a right to an opinion. The thing is, I can back it up.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

not really

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Just you drummer

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Geez… and people complain about me.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 10, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think I ever complained about you.

by bignerd on Mar 10, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I may have said a thing or two about him.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The differences between a hater and a Niner fan

can be seen in many lights. I for one like many others are Fans but I don’t like how the front Office works. I may critizice the Niners but really only the decsision makers like McC or Raye, etc.. I can argue the various issues at hand, but don’t make it personal. You than cross the line when you do that and should be suspended. This is a idea that should be explore and it doesn’t matter who you are, once you cross the bounds of respect, you’re DONE !

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 11, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I consider myself a 49ers fan

I don’t like the way things are going for this team and I’ll be open about it. The only to help this team is to expose the York ownership for its passive ownership.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 11, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you mean Stan Humphries?

The assessment is fair, but at the same time a lot of the Super Bowl appearances for those quarterbacks came during years when they were performing at high levels relative to the league. Not all of them. But many.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes Stan Humphries.

Point is, is that quarterbacks that haven’t had great careers can have good runs. And in some cases, didn’t even have good runs in the years their teams went to the SB.

The arguement was that the Saints went 8-8 the year before they went to the SB and that the Niners were 8-8 last year but we don’t have Drew Brees. I argued that they don’t have a Patrick Willis. Personally, I think Smith could be good enough to get us there. Obviously people disagree.

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, yeah, I definitely agree with your larger point. I just wanted to nuance it.

And as a tangential aside to myself, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand….

It’s odd. Looking back, I remember Neil O’Donnel as a guy who was kind of reckless with the ball. In reality, though, he probably would have been more successful if he would have not been so darn careful with it. Perception, meet reality.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

What has Smith done to warrant that belief?

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Warrant what belief?

That I think the Niners could go to the SB with Smith as QB? I already stated that. Read the thread

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of these quarterbacks had stellar defenses and didn't have offensive players thrown at them and being told to play outside of themselves, like some people have asked for this offseason.

Naming these players dispells a lot of points you have made. Just sayin’

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If you could please elaborate on what you mean, I’d appreciate it. Because I’m struggling with the reading comprehension aspect of this particular comment.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You put out that the Saints went to the Super Bowl..

I’m just reminding you of a big reason why.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I pointed out that they were 8-8 WITH Drew Brees the year before

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

And now...

You’re trying to discount his contribution. Nice.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Pasing offense > Run Defense

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

ok drummer 2.0

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

No it isn't, it is only the case depending on who you play.

Disruptive defense>passing offense..ask Manning before you foolishly rebut this.

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Avg playoff defense: -3.9 % DVOA (11th)
Saints defense: 1.3% DVOA (14th)
Avg playoff run defense-5.9% DVOA (13.5th)
Saitns run defense: 7.7% DVOA (29th)

Avg playoff offense: 16% DVOA (8.5th
Saints offense: 27.6% DVOA (2nd)
Avg playoff pass offense: 33% DVOA (9.3th)
Saints pass offense: 43.1% DVOA (5th)

On average, 2009 playoff teams ranked higher in passing offense than in run defense.
Therefore passing offense is more important than run defense to playoff teams.

There was a report about a year ago that showed that teams with better passing offenses won more, while teams with better run defenses didn’t win as much.

It’s a passing league, being able to pass the ball like the Saints did is more important than stopping the run like the 49ers did.

That said, even though I provided stats and what I think is logical analysis, I must be wrong because rlott and Drew K must always be right.

Sources:
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2

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Was dude name on beverly hillbillies named '' jed '''

Anyway i love jed york dude has big time ‘’ swagger ’’ i just remeber how he stood there and took those bullets from the media for fireing nolan the way he did kind of leaving nolan out 2 dry.He didn’t back down on his comments and said what exzpected being a head coach for the 49ers now he could of fired nolan a year 2 late but he made no apologies 4 firing nolan his ‘’ swagger ’’ was at a all-time high.

by jayjonna415 on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

He continued to draft defensive lineman that never performed for him but always seemed to perform for someone else . . . just like his time at the 49ers.

by bignerd on Mar 10, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Retired is better than saying...

Stepping down. He retired as HC for the 49ers, when he really left because he felt he was being forced out.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Resigned might also be an appropriate term.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

True..

I remember that press conference because I worked at the Fairmont in SF during that time. I recall it “retired”, but I could be wrong.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

what really sucked

was that i believed jed when he said we’d make the playoffs this yr…….fool me once.

"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 AM PST reply actions  

It just goes to show that you should never take a guarantee with regard to something that is inherently non-guaranteeable at face value.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I had my hopes high for the 2009 season

The 49ers had a 3-0 start but were taken down— yet again. This reminds me of a “headshake” in stock trading terms.

The 49ers have always had a strong season starts for the past 3 seasons. However, I think this is just to fool people into buying season tickets later in the year.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 10, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

3-1 start
However, I think this is just to fool people into buying season tickets later in the year.

Sure, it has nothing to do with the middle part of the schedule being the hardest.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So are you saying the 49ers aren't that good?

I think they are a good team and good enought to make the playoffs. The pro game isn’t about fair play anymore son. Its about money first. You ae just blind.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 10, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm blind

But I have contacts/glasses for that.

The 49ers were as good as their record suggests.
A few games were close but unless the Yorks put together the schedule, they’re not trying to scam anyone.

If you’re going to resort to conspiracy theories, I’d rather not continue this conversation.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

This has been his favorite conspiracy theory

weren’t you here when he said the NFL owners met and decided to put the Saints in the Super Bowl this year?

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 10, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

A few games were close but unless the Yorks put together the schedule, they’re not trying to scam anyone.

No, it’s not a scam. It’s just business.

Do you ever look at the line of scrimmage when you watch an NFL game?

Try this, next time you watch an NFL game— instead of getting drunk off a keg of beer.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 10, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

instead of getting drunk off a keg of beer.

I don’t drink, but thanks for the kind words.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously… I only ask that you look at the line of scrimmage closer and look for biased officiating. If you don’t look for it and see which team’s really got the advantage in a game, then you aren’t going to understand where I’m coming from.

You are under the assumption that the each and every NFL game is called fairly. I say it is not.

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 10, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

No NFL game is called fairly

Are you referring to non-calls for holding?

There is holding on every single snap, the refs aren’t going to call it on every snap.

Holding calls don’t decide games.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What??
Holding calls don’t decide games.

Excuse me… but that is just plain incorrect. The game is won or lost on the line of scrimmage. If you can place holds on DT and DEs freely, the QB will have all the time he needs to complete his passes. Don’t you think that this is an unfair advantage? Especially if one one team gets to hold your defensive players??

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You think it's going to matter when a team is winning 35-3?

Teams have to adjust.
Dial up the blitz, call in different schemes to try to get a free shot at the QB.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 11, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s weak… you know it also

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 12, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see much of it these days but something fishy was going on with the holding calls in the 90’s. These days what constitutes holding changes from game to game but is called equally on both sides of the ball. Can’t say that was the case in the 90’s.

These days pass interference and this concept of maintaining control of the ball all the way to the ground widely varies between who is on offense. Ask the Raiders, it cost them a win against Chargers early in the season and the complete opposite ruling was made in the SB with the Saints on the 2 point conversion.

by bignerd on Mar 10, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That goes back to the discussion we had in one of Florida Danny's posts

about quality control. NFL referees are part-time guys. They have regular jobs on the side. Personally I think the NFL refs should be full-time employees of the league. Doing that will allow them much more time to review film and make sure they’re all on the same page when it comes to rules.

I feel the same way about team doctors too.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The PI and catch rules right now really do impact my ability to enjoy a game. Pass interference has gotten to the point of being simply unfair, and the depths to which the league can parse what is or isn’t a catch is exhausting. Let’s start with one simple question: did he catch it? Then let’s move on from there….

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate the PI rules

I think that should be changed. The first thing I would ask is “Was the PI flagrant or not?”

Non-flagrant is a 5 yard penalty and automatic 1st down.
Flagrant is a 15 yard penalty and automatic 1st down

If it’s PI in the endzone it’s a 1st down on the 1 yard line.

Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010

by smileyman on Mar 11, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that at its heart pass interference is really simple. Was the defender playing the ball? If his head was turned toward the ball, yes. If he was not playing the ball, did he make contact after five yards that visibly disrupted either the receiver’s route (as in bumping) or ability to catch the ball (as in, holding the arm)? If so, PI.

I mean, it really doesn’t seem like there’s any need for more than that.

I feel the same way about catches. Was the ball secure? If so, that’s step one. Was he in bounds? If so, that’s step two.

I mean, you can only go so far. Parsing what is and isn’t a catch beyond a reasonable limit is only a shade from defining what is and isn’t legal “running.” It’s a bit ridiculous.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Biased officiating is how the game is manipulated

This is where most people get lost. Only a few people can see it. Most fans take for granted that the game is called fairly— when it is not.

Its important to realized who controls who in the NFL.

1) The Director of Officiating controls the referees.
2) The NFL Commissioner controls the Director of Officiating
3) The NFL owners as a whole control the NFL Commissioner

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 11, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Every Owner is only as good as his Personal

  And that remains to be seen. This year will tell if his Mgt is up to the Job. Granted this year FA Market isn’t very good and maybe it’s a good idea not to dive into it, but part of that market has to be explored.
 Last years FA signing and the Draft wasn’t that GOOD !! Some thought it was , but in reality,it wasn’t. Not one Allstar !
 This year will tell us if McC can do the job !!!
 So Jed’s butt is on the line as well !

by LASVEGASNINER on Mar 10, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

I'm age: putting you in your place

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Dont worry about it

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

lame

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it is..

Which is your problem.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

^
Needs a straight jacket

Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.

by Drew Kerr on Mar 10, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm...

You’re the guy going off on stupid rants here, even though there isn’t any bashing on this FP post.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I used to think that about drummer, key word, used to!!

Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.

by rlott#42 on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

I’m negative?

I’ve spent hours trying to convince panicky posters that the 49ers will be OK even though they’re not being active in FA.

If anything, I’m a kool-aid drinker.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure I undertand

?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 10, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Jed York is a phony
“This is the last time our season ends in December”

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 11, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

It ended in January.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Mar 11, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

another weak response

"Proving 2nd class ownership is profitable"

by More False Hope on Mar 12, 2010 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

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