Niners Nation 2010 NFL Draft Community Big Board - Top 5
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2010 7:00 AM PDT
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PrintIf you google the terms 2010 nfl draft big board, you get close to a million results. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry puts together a big board of names for their amusement and to try and draw some hits. Given the size of our ever-growing community here at Niners Nation, I thought it'd be fun to come up with a community big board of players for the 49ers draft. This has been made immensely easier thanks to Chris Pokorny over at Dawgs By Nature, our Browns blog. Chris developed a nice little program that will allow us to tabulate votes for the board in a fairly simple manner.
After the jump, you'll find a poll that allows you to rank your top 5 players. I've included a pool of 25 players, whom I grabbed from the Scouts Inc Top 32 over at ESPN.com. I listed the top 20 players, and then picked 5 more from the remaining 12 that I thought were worthwhile to include.
After the jump, I run down what I'd like people to consider when placing their votes. After that you can vote for your top 5. After we get that compiled, we'll remove the top 5 names and vote on 6-10, 11-15, etc. Given that this is a first effort, if we have any glitches we can always start over.
We're all fairly smart people, but for those who don't quite know all the terminology, each NFL team creates a big board of players they are considering drafting. When Scot McCloughan was shown the door (or found the door for himself, or whatever), his replacement, Trent Baalke, stated that the team had compiled something like 85-90% of its big board. Over the course of many months (I'd imagine starting not too long after the 2009 NFL draft), the team has scouted, discussed, and debated the many draft-eligible players. Over the course of that discussion the team comes to some kind of consensus in ranking them starting at 1 and going for however long they feel is necessary.
In the end, I'd imagine each team's big board looks different than any other team because of a single team's own needs. Additionally, a certain character flaw in a player can be enough to nix him on one draft board, and potentially boost him on another.
In doing this community draft board, I'd like you to keep in mind a couple of things. I don't want you ranking players based on where you think they'll be drafted. I want you ranking them based on how they would fit the 49ers needs. The 49ers have a whole variety of needs, so this is not a simple task. The team doesn't need a quarterback, but the team still has to rank Sam Bradford under this hypothetical: If the 49ers were the only team drafting and thus they had access to every player in the draft pool, who would you take first? If that player was gone, who would be their second choice?
Now, if you're a believer in "best player available," rank them accordingly. If you think Ndamukong Suh is the 10th best player on the board for the 49ers purposes, DON'T RANK HIM IN YOUR TOP 5. In the end it comes down to how you value things like need, value, and character. That's not an all-inclusive list, but certainly something to consider.
Niners Nation Community Draft Board
So how will your vote help determine our draft board? Well, the guy you rank 1 gets 5 points, the guy you rank 2 gets 4 points, and so forth. Unranked players get 0 points. The program tallies up all the votes and provides us with a ranking of the 25 players listed. The top 5 point-getters will comprise our top 5.
Again, we're developing a draft board for the 49ers. This is not a mock draft, this does not factor in the needs of other teams, or trades, or anything like that.
So, go ahead and vote, and please only vote once. I think technically you could stuff the ballot box, but don't be "that guy."
This is a first time thing for us, so if there are any glitches, let me know and we'll get it fixed up. Ignore the excessive commas (that came due to some typos on my part and won't be there next time). I'll leave this up for a couple days to see how quickly we compile votes and then post the second one at some point this weekend I'm thinking. If you have any questions, feel free to ask in the comments.
THE POLL IS CLOSED FOR THE TOP 5. THE POLL FOR SPOTS 6-10 WILL OPEN AT 10:00AM PACIFIC TIME ON FRIDAY APRIL 2 (POLL FOR SPOTS 6-10)
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Clausen...
As much as some may say we don’t need a QB, and that Bradford is better, Clausen should realistically be an option here. Some believe he’s better than Bradford and they should have the option to choose accordingly. Personally, for the Niners needs, I would take Clausen over Bradford as we could use a pro-ready QB rather than a project.
Anyway, just to put it out there, my 1-5 is as follows: Berry, Iupati, Wilson, Bradford, Kindle.
Your Wish has been granted.
This morning, yahoo sports put together a head to head mock draft spelling out the top 32 picks. The contestents are Pro Football Weekly vs. Shutdown Corner.
PFW – 13th – Rolando McClain, MLB and at 17th – Joe Haden, CB
SDC – 13th – Anthony Davis, OL and at 17th – Jimmy Clausen, QB
It’s strange that one party pick Def. players while the other Pick Off. players.
If I was to select between the four, I would choose the OL and CB, But then it’s only ones’ opinion.
I also selected my top 5 and I guess we will all find out soon when it’s posted.It will get interesting .
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 1, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree...
I was thinking to myself, do these people have any idea about football/the Niners organization?
by sanfranfanmdk on Apr 1, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree...
I read that head-to-head mock every time they release a new one, and the PFW is always incredibly laughable. Some of the picks are just so bizarre. However, shutdown corner isn’t much better than them.
As for for this particular one, wouldn’t want Davis at 13, but if they stuck Iupati in there and then Clausen at 17, I’d be a happy camper. However, I don’t think the Niners pass on Clausen if he’s there at 13, unless Berry is still on the board or Spiller and they value him higher than Clausen.
by 9thevolution on Apr 1, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually although no one wants McClain apparently.. he is the top LB and a top 10 choice
Also, it has been months now but I read in MM’s blog that the Niners were interested in him. That may or not be but I am sure Sing would love Two top ILBs like Willis and McClain side by side.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Wouldn't want him....
I don’t think he’s necessary next to Willis, and I don’t think he plays with the style the Niners seem to want. They want their TED guy to slam into blockers and let Willis go in for the kill. That doesn’t sound like McClain to me.
Plus with Willis being the #1 ILB in the league and a huge contract in the coming years, I don’t know why they’d invest that much in their ILB’s. If they said they were interested, it is likely to try to force him off the board before their pick to let someone slide.
by 9thevolution on Apr 1, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah from what you’re saying that doesn’t sound like him. I think McClain would want it to be the other way around! It’s not a practical pick for the Niners. If Takeo’s status for next season was more iffy, I’d say McClain would be a good possibility. At this point we have Takeo and I think Wilhelm would be his 1st backup (played decently when Takeo was out.) But for now, yeah put an ILB on the board, but not that early in the draft. We also have Scott McKillop, who if given another year to develop could possibly become a decent compliment to Willis.
LasVegas9er
I like your picks a lot more than theirs
by seafood lover on Apr 1, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Shutdown Corner
Doesn’t really strike me as a serious sportswriter, more like a tabloid guy. He reminds me of Kornheiser whos more interested in who Tony Romo is site decoruming this week than anything that would be insightful to a serious fan.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
When I hear an analyst say "shut down corner"
I stop listening. it’s one of my code words for “you don’t know what you’re talking about”
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
How do I submit my choices?
And what about Russell Okung? Are we supposed to make our top 5 based on just the 25 listed above? Is there any way to add an other category with the specific player to be named in the comments well maybe not.
Based on the system....
you wouldn’t be able to vote for a “other” option. More players would have to be added and maybe others removed to accomodate. It’s much like my statement about Clausen not being listed.
Russell Okung is listed
It’s in alphabetical order by firs name.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Fooch, I blew it
I was basing it on the NFL top 32 picks. My speed reading didn’t help me understand the concept that this is for the Niners selection only. Any chance of deleting my selections and giving me another shot ?
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 1, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
can't delete it
But if you close your browser and come back you could re-vote. For others reading, please do this only if you make a mistake. Don’t stuff the ballot box.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Personally....
I don’t think it should be based solely on needs, but if Fooch wants it to reflect that, then there’s no choice. Despite our needs, I would still put Suh higher on our board than all the OT prospects. Immediate difference makers need to be taken into account.
big board
As I said in the post it’s not just needs. It’s everything that goes into a big board: need, value, character, theory of best player available, etc:
Now, if you’re a believer in “best player available,” rank them accordingly.
You can vote however you want, but you’re voting as if this is the 49ers big board.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
But those two players may differ from team to team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 1, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I was realistic
And chose in terms of need and who has a likelihood of being there by the time it gets around to us. I went Spiller, Iupati, Davis, Wilson, Graham.
big board
Generally the big board is the list of players in some kind of order you’d take them assuming you could get all of them. More often than not you’re not going to get your #1 choice (e.g. Eric Berry), but you have them there ranked in case one or more of them do happen to fall.
At the same time, I’ve said people can vote how they want. Just something to keep in mind on future versions of this.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
My Numer 1
If the 49ers could draft any player they wanted first, the would take Tebow… aprils fools.
Honestly I said Berry would be our #1 choice. I know that O-Tackle is a need, but so is safety. I think that Bradford/Clausen/Suh would be ‘nice-to-have’ but not a need.
My choices:
1) Eric Berry 2) Russell Okung 3) Ndamukong Suh 4) Gerald McCoy 5) Bryan Bulaga
Tried to go for need/immediate impact to help our team.
Handsomeness is a burden my face has to live with. Every day.
I had the same only I think I put McCoy before Suh
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Can I ask why McCoy?
He seems to be more of a 4-3 DT than a 3-4 player. Suh’s style would suit our system at LDE, but McCoy is supposed to be a pass rusher type at 4-3 DT. Suh seems like more of a power player while McCoy is a finesse player.
Personally, I wouldn’t put McCoy in our top 10 based on what we’re looking to get.
by 9thevolution on Apr 1, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
McCoy
I agree that Suh is a better fit for our D, hence him being ahead of McCoy, but I still think McCoy would work well in our defense. In fact, I get pretty excited thinking about McCoy being on our D-Line. His pass rush skills would instantly help our secondary, especially with our 3rd and long woes. He is also very good against the run and that would only make our 3rd ranked rushing defense even better. A D-line of Smith/Franklin/McCoy would scare the crap out of offenses around the league.
Handsomeness is a burden my face has to live with. Every day.
Correction
We were the 6th ranked rushing D. I was thinking about us being 3rd in sacks.
Handsomeness is a burden my face has to live with. Every day.
Same but in a different order.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 1, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't have McCoy or Bulaga
McCoy for the 4-3 defense reason mentioned above.
I’m not that optimistic on Bulaga. I think he will be serviceable but no better than Joe Staley. It would be a big improvement for the 49ers LOLine but I think there are too many impact players in the draft to put Bulaga that high.
Why both?
The 49ers have a solid DT. Why not only have one DT and a CB and/or KR. I totally agree our top two would be Berry and Okung, but I don’t see the need for a DT. Even if the 49ers had a top 5 pick I don’t think they would go DT.
You're right
There’s no immediate need. Granted if we didn’t have Justin Smith that need would go up by leaps and bounds. But Smith is signed till 2013, Sopoaga till 2012 and Ray McDonald Till 2010. I presume these are our three best DT’s other than Franklin, Balmer and Jean-Francois, who are all being considered as NT’s. So I don’t really see an urgent need yet. This is another area where for this draft we could look to later rounds to fill.
Think Balmer is considered a DE.....
I don’t think they have intentions of playing him at NT. I think they want him to unseat Soap at some point this year. As for the others, I don’t see RJF sticking with the team for very long, and Franklin is obviously our present at NT. We do need someone to replace him though, and that guy isn’t on our roster.
They should be looking at one of the later rounds for a guy to groom for a few years behind Franklin. Regardless of whether the guy is great or not, they need to have him on the roster and bring him along through that NT learning curve. Ekom Udofia from Stanford is a 7th round prospect and looks like he could be a true NT with some experience and coaching.
They should extend McDonald with a reasonable contract though since he plays well and has a knack for blocking FG’s.
I was the guy who got called out a few months ago for projecting RJF as a nose tackle. I think he sticks around for awhile, he has two years to add on 20 lbs to fill the starter role for that position.
I think RJF is a more natural nose tackle than DT. I watched him pretty closing in preseason he would be dominant the first few plays, powerful and quick at the line of scrimmage. However, running down the line to chase fleeing RB tired him out quickly. At DT he has to run down the line in case of the cut back. At nose tackle he can continue to plant himself near the middle of the field. Plus the nose tackle position takes less snaps on defense compared to DT, again saving him from his biggest flaw, stamina.
Well you nailed it
he’s been lining up at nose tackle in the drills so far. I bet we’ll see lots of him at nose tackle in the pre-season.
He’s awfully small for the position, though it can be done (Ratliff is about 304 if I remember right)
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
Yeah I agree with that. In fact, an heir apparent to Franklin may be the more urgent need because if the team for some reason doesn’t make a move to give him a contract extension, we may need someone who could fill the role by 2011. Udofia would be a good possibility. It looks like he decided to come out early?? Wonder why. He apparently is a really strong kid. Another possibility is Jeff Owens from Georgia. Quite fast for a DT/NT and VERY strong (did like 44 bench press reps at the combine.)
I just don't know enough ...
… about college players to vote in any meaningful way. We don’t get college football here, and so I’d rather not skew the poll even in a small way by voting in ignorance. But I think it’s an ace idea, Fooch, and a nice way of presenting it. Looking forward to seeing the results.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
thanks
Although I like the idea of everybody joining in, I appreciate your honesty on the subject. If you don’t know enough then it would just be skewing the poll (although not that much with 1 person). But thanks either way.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
How is Trent Williams not in that list?
You are going to tell me he is in NOBODY’S top ten on this board. I didn’t vote specifically for that reason. Demaryius Thomas is up there but not Williams? That’s a MAJOR, I repeat, MAJOR over sight.
There's a scroll bar to the right above in the article
If you scroll down a bit, you can find him there.
Trent Williams sucks anyway.
Wiliams sucks?
possibly the best RT in the draft…the lone returning starter on the line was moved from RT to LT-
" Williams registered 369 knockdowns and 36 blocks that directly resulted in touchdowns in his final two seasons. – Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com/CBS Sports/USA TODAY"
List as many references as you want
I am a Sooners fan and I saw it with my own two eyes. Certain players in this draft are waaayyyyyyyy over-hyped. Trent happens to be one of those. I am happy that he is not a Sooner anymore. The last thing I want, is for him to become a Niner. ESPECIALLY witha first round pick.
If there was a Jimmy Clausen and Charles Brown my board would look like...
1. Clausen
2. Okung
3. Brandon Graham
4. Charles Brown
5. Earl Thomas @CB
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 5.Andrew Quarless 6.Mike Kafka 6.Chris Scott 7.Preston Parker
Just being realistic
Suh, McCoy, Berry all won’t be on the board the time the 49ers are on the clock
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 5.Andrew Quarless 6.Mike Kafka 6.Chris Scott 7.Preston Parker
top 5
I grabbed the top 20 on ESPN’s big board and then an assortment of 5 others.
by David Fucillo on Apr 1, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What are the chances they fall?
1. Okung
2. Berry
3. Buluga
4. McCoy
5. Suh
It’s nice to dream.
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