Trade Alex Smith Brandon Jones for Ben Roethliisberger ?
by clrncbll on Apr 17, 2010 10:49 AM PDT
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PrintHow about trade Alex Smith and Brandon Jones, And maybe the 49ers 2010 4th round pick , For Ben Roethlisberger , I would like your thoughts. On such A trade , and would you make this trade , Do you think that Ben is to much of A risk , A few things about Ben , that stand out , about the troubled QB, is he is A proven QB in the NFL, And he is only 27yrs old Are do you think that Ben is worth more then that, Are not even worth the trouble. Thank You!
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it took me like 5 minutes to read that half a paragraph
i think you are asking if we should trade for worthlessburger, the answer is no.
He will be suspended for multiple games, no fan base is going to want a rapist for a qb.
Worthlessburger - Awesome...
Rape me once, shame on me… Rape me twice, all hell nevermind….
Seriously?
Dude is going to wind up hanging out with Jesse James, taking shots off of underaged-illegal-immigrant-prostitutes off of Geary if he comes to the bay. I’d be okay with him coming here if he went to play for Oakland but NOT in red and gold.
The guy is a douche and the fact that he’s only going to be suspended 2-4 games is ridiculous.
Ben is good but,
there are a lot of clubs and bars in San Francisco…
I miss Joe Montana/Steve Young/Jeff Garcia
by Mr HowsYourWife on Apr 17, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions
Hell no
Let me see that Belly Roll........ - Major Payne
by Luther K on Apr 17, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
and beyond!
Hideous suggestion and I’m no Smith fan.
With a stable coaching staff, an improved cast of teammates and a healthy shoulder, Smith is officially out of excuses...
No thank you.
We had a thread on trading for Ben Roethlisberger yesterday (it’s been bumped off the page). As I said then, I don’t want him. He’s an overrated QB (not bad, but definitely overrated) and he’s a scumbag.
Maybe, but Smith will never have Ben's size.
Not that I would want the rapist, but certain aspects of his QB skill set that are still really attractive.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
First thing that came to mind.
Rapistberger
Why Brandon Jones?
I know why the 49ers would want to trade him since he’s fallen way down the WR depth chart, but why would the Steelers want him? I can just imagine the discussion on this trade. The Steelers would say, " Well we’re not going to trade Alex Smith straight up for Big Ben, but if you throw in Brandon Jones, you got yourself a deal." The only reason the Steelers would want him is if they’re trying to add another 49er WR cast off to go with Arnez Battle, to complete their collection.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Bad idea
And let’s not over-rate Big Ben as a QB. The best part of his game is the Steelers O-line and Palamoglu on D.
by seafood lover on Apr 17, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it would be a very good idea.
Not sure he’d be welcomed with open arms by most of our fanbase and probably a majority of the players.
Just a reminder...
we are the 9ers not the Bengals. And I can just see Sing the first time he gets on the field with Ben. LOL.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 17, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions
And, let me repeat:
Two of Rothlisberger’s last four years were worse than Smith’s 2009 in terms of completion percentage and int%.
Plus the guy is good for 45 sacks a year.
No real reason to think that Big Ben would be an improvement over Smith in 2010. He could be … but he could easily be worse. (This isn’t like McNabb, where you have a player who’s clearly been better than Smith but there are concerns about longevity and matching his performance on our team – this is a guy who was just flat out worse than Smith was last year in two of his last four years.)
You can't be serious
Roethlisberger was far better than Smith was last year by any half-decent comprehensive measure: AYPA, WPA, EPA, DVOA, you name it. Using completion percentage is woefully misleading because of the extreme number of short, unproductive passes that Smith had. Big Ben was and will be far better than Smith.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Roethilisberger was mediocre in 2 of the last 4 years (not 2009)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok I misread his post
I still disagree with the premise though. While certain select stats Big Ben was worse in, his overall performance and efficiency was better in all four years, especially 2007 and 2009, where he destroyed Smith.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Roethlisberger is responsible for taking more sacks than our OL gave up. He's overrated stil despite Smith not being his equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
I agree he's overrated
I’m just saying I think he’s still quite a bit better than Smith. I believe all of the stats I cited account for Big Ben’s sacks, although I would have to check that.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Simple question is
Consider them both…Dirty Ben or Clean Alex..which would you rather have as the face of your team..in a year where the economy is bad and you’re wanting to fill seats and trying to get a new stadium and such? Would you rather have a lesser QB like Alex or possibly better QB like Ben? Plus the other teammates feelings have to be taken into account as well and their familiarity with Smith.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 17, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If he’s only a little bit better than Smith, why would we give up so much for him?
Don’t forget that Alex Smith can still improve.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
We shall see
This is his make or break year.
With a stable coaching staff, an improved cast of teammates and a healthy shoulder, Smith is officially out of excuses...
Ben's best years have been a lot better than anything Smith has shown us.
But he’s also been, in those years, on a team which didn’t ask much of him.
I have no idea how he’d do on our team. There is plenty of reason to be modest in your expectations of him. He’s never played on a team with the OL problems we’ve had, for example, and the evidence suggests he doesn’t hold up so well when his OL isn’t domianting the game.
So my point is simply: don’t assume Ben would be an upgrade. He might be. He also might be worse.
“With certain select stats” – I’m not cherry-picking here, it’s not like comp% and int% are minor or unimportant stats.
His best year was last year and his team went 8-8. I swear, a QB that takes more sacks than his OL gives up is an idiot QB and one I don’t want. I’d rather go forward with Smith. i would have taken McNabb over Rottenburger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
I do feel that the negative effect of extreme number of sacks he takes is fairly underrated. I’m not sure by how much, though.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Please....no thank you....
I’m not completely ready to call Rothelesberger a scumbag or anythuing else….(I beleive there is always 2 sides to every relationship story…) However, I really don’t think the Steelers would go for this trade anyway. I truley beleive the Niners would deep 6 this trade from the get go. It’s not that the niners have always had Saints on their teams…(remember we signed Lawrence Phillips for a hot min…and there was talk of acquireing Adam Jones) but, it would be the shear size of Big Ben’s contract alone that would kill it. $140 million reasons to be precise.
Not only that, McNabb is a better scrambler than Big Ben is, and all of NN didn’t even want to broach that trade. Besides, even with all the good will that the NN has, I don’t think in this new era of justice that permeates the league, that the Niners would want a player who 3 of the last 4 years has been on the police blotter.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Hell to the motha effin no!
49ers are the best there was the best there is and the best there ever will be
by swagger on Apr 17, 2010 3:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That should almost..
have had no site decorum niceties by you. Stupid on both sides all around.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 17, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I would do that trade in a heartbeat
Of course the Steelers never would, Big Ben is far, far better than Alex Smith. He may be overrated (mostly by the people who value wins as a statistic to judge QB’s) but he’s still a top 10 QB. Smith still has yet to show he can be a decent starting quarterback. And Brandon Jones has no trade value, he’s not an asset at this point.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions
Rank the top 10 QBs and you'll see that Ben isn't top 10
Either way I don’t want him here
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If McNabb isn't, the list is a total wash.
Especially if Schaub, Flacco, and Ryan are on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
Lets see your list?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That is pretty disgusting
I had not read all of that, and I understand how that could immediately make people not want him.
I’ll still say that I think he’s performed far better than Smith has or will perform, and I do think Big Ben is a top 10 QB (off the top of my head I’d take Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, and Romo over him; with Schaub, Eli, and unretired Favre in the discussion. Either way Ben would be in the top 10).
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
alright so your opinion is definitely the opinion of the FO
I’ll still say that I think he’s performed far better than Smith has or will perform,
well of course he’s performed better than smith up to this point, but why don;t you go ahead and compare the steelers super bowl teams to the teams under alex at the same time
and you can tell the future? golly gee, what are the lottery numbers for tomorrow, mr fortune teller?
DREAM DRAFT:
1. Get Bushrod or Gaither for a 2nd rounder
2. Trade #13, #17 and our 3rd to Browns for #7, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders
3. Take Eric Berry #7
4. Iupati or a CB
5. Speedy WR or COP back
6. BPA for the rest
by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 17, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't ever make any claims that my opinion is the opinion of anyone else
But mine is certainly as valid as anyone else’s, so I’ll keep expressing it, thanks.
alright so your opinion is definitely the opinion of the FO
Maybe, maybe not. I could say the same about anyone else’s opinion, does that mean no one should say what they believe unless the FO agrees with them? That’s lunacy.
well of course he’s performed better than smith up to this point, but why don;t you go ahead and compare the steelers super bowl teams to the teams under alex at the same time
He did indeed have much better talent on his Superbowl teams, of course part of the reason they won the Superbowl was also because Big Ben was a lot better than a player like Alex Smith.
and you can tell the future?
Nope, but we can make reasonable projections. Players who play as poorly as Smith has don’t usually have quantum leaps in their performance in their 6th year in the NFL, and I think if more people took off their homer glasses here, they would see that. But of course that’s just one man’s opinion.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i know that alex has not played great. but i only think its fair to look at alex’s situation rather than just say big ben is better. thats what angers me the most about the alex hate. not thinking he has good pocket presence/eyesight/etc is one thing, but to completely disregard his situation (which im not saying youre doing but just generally) with the 49ers is just ignorant
DREAM DRAFT:
1. Get Bushrod or Gaither for a 2nd rounder
2. Trade #13, #17 and our 3rd to Browns for #7, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders
3. Take Eric Berry #7
4. Iupati or a CB
5. Speedy WR or COP back
6. BPA for the rest
by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 17, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
I probably don’t account for Alex’s situation nearly as much as I should, however I still think he is not a player of Big Ben’s caliber.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
It's this man's opinion too
Maybe he pulls a rabbit out of his helmet but I’m not holding my breath.
With a stable coaching staff, an improved cast of teammates and a healthy shoulder, Smith is officially out of excuses...
Certainly Ben’s highs are better than anything Smith has done. No question. But he had much better support than Smith has ever had, too … And when he hasn’t had that support, he’s been pretty bad. (And he’s never had as little support as Smith had in his worst seasons).
Context matters when evaluating QBs.
exactly
ben’s receivers: santonio holmes, hines ward
smith’s receivers: brandon lloyd, ashley lelie, etc
DREAM DRAFT:
1. Get Bushrod or Gaither for a 2nd rounder
2. Trade #13, #17 and our 3rd to Browns for #7, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders
3. Take Eric Berry #7
4. Iupati or a CB
5. Speedy WR or COP back
6. BPA for the rest
by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 17, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
re:
Context matters when evaluating QBs.
Absolutely, but performance matters too.
Certainly Ben’s highs are better than anything Smith has done. No question. But he had much better support than Smith has ever had, too …
You are massively understating the situation here. Big Ben’s worst year is better than Alex Smith’s best year. His whole career he has been a better player, no matter which year you look at. His best years dwarf anything Smith has ever done. Do Smith’s teammates make him appear worse than he is? Certainly. But it’s not like Big Ben is on a team full of Hall of Famers. His line has stunk for most of his career, and the running game has been poor for years. I think the talent difference between the Steelers and Niners hardly makes up for the vast differences in their performance.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 17, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Big Ben’s worst year is better than Alex Smith’s best year.
This is just not true.
Smith’s 2009 is better than Ben’s 2006. Probably better than Ben’s 2008, as well.
You don't like using completion percentage, which I understand.
But because Roethlissberger takes so many sacks, don’t use y/att, use adjusted yards/att.
smiith 2009 Ben 2006 Ben 2008
a yard/att 5.8 6.1 6.3
int % 3.2 4.9 3.2
fumb 3 5 14
You’re saying you think that .3 adjusted adj yards/att is better than 2.7 points of int%? You’d rather have .5 yards of adj yrds/att than 11 fewer fumbles?
He’d have to be, Romo, Schaub, and Rodgers don’t belong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
Rodgers and Romo absolutely belong based on their numbers (my primary factor)
Schaub would belong but he’s only really had one good year so I’d say it’s debatable.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 18, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d take Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Romo, McNabb, Schaub, Favre, Eli, Palmer, and Flacco over him.
Not top 10
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Youre pusshin it with Flacco and Tony "choke in december" Romo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
Flacco is awesome.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
FOOTBALL
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you haven’t seen the I’m an irrational Flacco fanboy thing I’ve been doing.
No, he wasn’t awesome last year. Yes, he was pretty darn good. And it’s pretty tough not to be excited about his future.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If Flacco is "pretty damn good" - then ...
He beat Smith by .8 yards/att, which is not trivial. On the other hand, Smith beat him by a percentage point of int%, which is also not trivial.
I think a lot of guys have double standards with respect to quarterbacks. Anything they do better than Alex Smith proves they’re better QBs than Alex Smith. Anything they do worse than Smith is ignored. Flacco was better than Smith last year, IMHO, all things considered – but if Flacco is “pretty damn good” it was close enough that Alex didn’t “suck.”
Flacco was not "pretty damn good"
He was alright, but there’s nothing to backup that he played much better than that.
Smith was quite a bit worse than him in AYPA, EPA per play, WPA per play, and DVOA, and INT rates are notoriously inconsistent from year to year, so I wouldn’t belabor that point too much. But beyond that Smith was in his 5th year, Flacco was in his 2nd. The fact that Smith was still substantially worse than a decent player who could develop into more tells all you need to know about why (in my opinion) Smith probably will not be a long term answer.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 18, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He really was not even that great last year
He was 15th in AYPA, behind guys like Vince Young and Kyle Orton. He was way behind Roethlisberger, who was 8th.
He was 17th in WPA per play, and 14th in EPA per play. He was 19th in DVOA. He also plays with a good supporting cast, a strong running game and offensive line and Mason, Heap, and Rice as receiving threats.
He looks promising but in no way is he a top 10 QB yet.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 18, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not a big fan of EPA and WPA when you’re looking at this, for reasons that become pretty clear in this thread:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/2/15/1311964/49ers-twice-as-likely-to-win-with
However, I’m going to argue in a huge way. I wasn’t the one arguing that Flacco is a top 10 quarterback,and I’m not going to be the one to start that argument or pursue it. Much of my enthusiasm stems from the fact that he just had what was probably the most complete sophomore campaign since Peyton Manning (I actually, considered Roethlisberger here, but he threw fewer than 300 passes in year 2… so it seems somewhat incomplete).
So, I mean, I think he looks more than promising at this point. I think his + stats from last year all look pretty good. There’s obviously plenty of room for improvement. We’re probably closer to the same page than you think. Except that my opinion of how well he played last year is probably much more influenced by the fact that it was only his second year in the league.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I think he looks pretty exciting too, I was never trying to deny that, I just don’t think he belongs in the top 10. But I have no issue with what you’re saying really.
By the way thanks for pointing out that link, I had not read that before. I’ll take that into consideration when using WPA and EPA.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 18, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Romo certainly didn't choke this past December.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 18, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, Eli has very quietly become a very, very, very good quarterback. He might just be top 10.
For reference, Eli and Peyton in 2009:
Adjusted Yards per Attempt +:
Eli: 115
Peyton: 115
Completion % +:
Eli: 104
Peyton: 119
TD % +:
Eli: 117
Peyton: 123
INT & +:
Eli: 102
Peyton: 102
Remarkably similar. Peyton has the advantage, of course, and particularly in Completion Percentage. But Eli in 2009 was surprisingly close to his brother just about everywhere else.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't take McNabb anymore
A few years ago, definitely.
I don’t think Palmer or Flacco belong in this discussion at this point.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 18, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure why not
Flacco improved in every aspect of his game in 2009.
And he only had one WR to throw to.
Palmer is a great QB, he was coming back from a serious injury last year, he’ll be top 10 in 2010
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 18, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Flacco was decent but he's not Ben's caliber, at least not yet
Palmer I’d need to see regain his old form before I’d put him in the top 10, I won’t just assume that he recovers it.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 18, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
All Palmer needs is a possession WR over the middle and he’ll be awesome again.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 20, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
No
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Rothlesberger
has been a clutch player in the biggest games and has the rings to prove it! He always seems to find a way to win when he needs to. Till now Smith hasn’t shown any sign’s of the same. I also wouldn’t rate a QB on stats only, they can be very misleading!
That being said I would still stick with Smith, I have a feeling Ben and Sing would be like oil and water anyway (character matters to him), and to my eye Smith is starting to turn the corner in his play and will show marked improvement in 2010!
Did you click on my link above?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I am a bit slack jawed.
This undoubtedly is the only place in America that people actually would prefer Alex Smith as a player over Ben Roethlisberger. Unbeliveable.
Only place in America?
After the above statements were released I’m sure that there are many Americans that don’t want Ben Roethlisberger.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Some may not like his morals at this time.
But as far as an accomplished NFL QB is concerned Alex Smith is not in the conversation. In addition I don’t believe he has been convicted of any thing as of yet and in relation to the debauchery of prior decades in sports this doesn’t stick way out there.
by Natural Red on Apr 17, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I really dislike the “he hasn’t been convicted of anything” line. No, he hasn’t. Yes, he may be innocent of rape charges. But we know enough concrete, proven details to be able to tell that he is a guy who has major problems. Let’s not just think about the sexual assault accusations – the concrete, proven details of both painting him as a pretty huge character problem – but also the motorcycle accident. That’s a stipulation that’s written into his contract. So he’s a moron who is willing to break his contract to have fun, and whose idea of fun can be harassing women.
Yay. Fun. Regardless of whether or not he actually committed rape, we know enough outside of that to seriously question his character to the point where it would be a problem for the team.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I think if the discussion was Roethlisberger strictly as a player, you’d be seeing different things. I do think he has obvious flaws in his game, but it would be hard not to want his talent.
Ultimately, though, the question marks in his game are highlighted by the fact that he’s one disgusting legal case after another on wheels. He’s just too much trouble.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well , opinions are like arm pits.
Look , This is not the first pro athlete that’s had a problem such as this. I look at all these self righteous views stating what a jerk he is and all I’m saying is he is a pretty respectable QB. I’m attempting to discuss the original subject matter of the thread not read lectures on morals.
Well, let’s start by you giving me a list of five players over the course of the last 10 years in any sports who breached their contracts (for Roethlisberger, the motorcycle, but let’s keep it wide open for the sake of discussion), faced no fewer than two criminal charges of no less significant crime than assault (for Roethlisberger, sexual assault, but again – let’s keep it wide open), and then we can actually start this discussion.
Because you saying “this is not the first pro athlete that’s had a problem such as this” does two troublesome things. First, it implies that morals should be outside of sports. Second, it implies that there is significant precedent for repeat offenders to completely accepted by a fanbase.
So, show me the actual precedent – and I’ve given you all sports and a huge range of crimes to work with – and if you can do that satisfactorily I’ll go ahead and never discuss morals and sports together with you again.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And to remain perfectly clear, we’re talking about players who have a history of no fewer than three significant incidents. Players who show a repeated disrespect for not only their team and profession, both also the actual law. No convictions need to be made, but the pattern itself has to be clear.
That’s all I’m asking for. A list of five.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Again...
Frankly I could care less about a players morals I was discussing the merits of his play. You’re the one stuck on the soap opera side of sports. Does that count for the players that are currently in prison for felonies? This sort of needless argument for the sake of argument is pitiful at best. Get off your high horse . Ken Stabler and most of the old Raiders were well known partiers in the Bay area. Paul Horning Babe Ruth the list goes on, what the problem is you love to dwell on this save the whales side of sports.
Ah, so we’re back to “morals don’t belong in sports.” Very well, if that’s your opinion, then that’s your problem.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It's no problem to me .
But it seems like it’s one to you.
Well, I don’t like rooting for moral skuzzballs, so yeah I guess I have a problem with it when you look at it like that.
Anyway, I guess we got to the bottom of this. I have no reason to keep arguing. It’s clear the gap in our opinions is not bridgable.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you howie
I’d rather not root for rapists and murderers.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
It is pretty incredible
The character concerns I understand but not the thought that Ben is not a huge upgrade over Alex Smith. You can be sure there’s not a non-Niner fan in the world who agrees with that that notion. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 18, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with ya ...
I believe this guy just likes to argue.
Who, me? I never once said that Roethlisberger wouldn’t be an upgrade over Smith. The most I said was that he has flaws in his game and could possibly prove to be a Cullpepper. That’s hardly a statement of fact.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
No. Apparently, just if you did.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
No ones ever had this with you but me.
Well, for the sake of being respectful, I’m just going to leave this comment string alone, then. I won’t engage or otherwise argue with you about Ben Roethlisberger again. It’s clear that you’ve taken offense to me, and I really think that’s too bad. We took part in one discussion and we didn’t agree. I don’t really see why there should be any animosity there, and I’m not going to take part in a pissing contest. Your opinion here is now clear. My opinion is also clear. I don’ t want you to have any bad feelings here, but I can’t stop you if you do. I wasn’t picking on you, really. I was just trying to figure out where you were coming from. Now I know that. I hope we can actually engage in productive discussions in the future, and I’m sorry that this didn’t turn out to be one.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 18, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I always attempt to be respectful.
And there is no animosity or offence. I will argue my points as aggressivly as you do. I believe my points and opinions are clear in your mind as yours are in mine.
We do not have the Steelers defense, offensive line so Ben would do what he did last year if he were on our team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
take 100 sacks.
?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 17, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex just dosen't have the heart and courage , for A NFL QB
people forgive and forget ,when you win, and one player want stop people from coming out to support the 49ers, and for the record Ben is A top 10 QB, and it doesn’t make much sense, to pay Brandon Jones to stand on the sidelines
Where can I buy the heart and courage monitor?
The one that works through tv or up from the stands, I can guarantee you’re not in the locker room
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
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