49ers Pre-Draft 53-man roster projection and draft needs
If you look back over the 3+ years Niners Nation has been around, I don't think I've ever actually mocked out every single pick in a given 49ers draft. It's not that I don't find that kind of exercise valuable. It's just that my knowledge of college football players is relatively limited. Any projection would be a rather blind stab in the dark.
However, in focusing in on our 49ers, I do see value in trying to project out the positions the team will address over the course of the draft. Accordingly, I thought I'd move up our first 53-man roster projection to now. In the past I waited until July, but really, why bother with that? This projection is a bit different than our summer projections. This projection will allow us to see the specific positional units that are short of players expected to make the 53-man roster. So, this won't be a list of 53 men.
After the jump I've posted some of our major bubble players, and a breakdown of each position with draft projections, and close with some positional projections for the draft.
Offense
QB (3): Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB (3): Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Michael Robinson
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (5): Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn Jr., Jason Hill, Brandon Jones
TE (2): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
LT (2): Joe Staley, Barry Sims
LG (1): David Baas
C (2): Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
RG (2): Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge
RT (1): Adam Snyder
Defense
DE (5): Justin Smith, Isaac Sopoaga, Ray McDonald, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans
DT (1): Aubrayo Franklin
OLB (3): Manny Lawson, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson
ILB (4): Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Scott McKillop, Matt Wilhelm
CB (3): Shawntae Spencer, Nate Clements, Tarell Brown
FS (1): Dashon Goldson
SS (2): Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith
Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings
KR/PR: Ted Ginn Jr.
Positional projections for the draft are at the bottom of this post.
In putting together the initial projection, I came up with 45 players (Offense: 22, Defense: 20, ST: 3) that I'm fairly certain will make the 49ers roster at this point. Much can change in the coming months, but I'm comfortable with what I've posted so far. I've left a few names off that I think have a good shot at making the roster, but am not comfortable putting in a "lock" category. We're left with 8 roster spots, and fittingly enough 8 draft choices. Before getting into each position, here are many of the players sitting on the roster bubble.
Bubble
FB Brit Miller
DE/DT Ricky Jean-Francois
DB Curtis Taylor
WR Dominique Zeigler
TE Tony Curtis
OT Alex Boone
OLB Diyral Briggs
Quarterback
We've discussed the QB position to no end, so I'm not going to re-hash it. Alex Smith is going nowhere. David Carr signed a 2-year deal and the team needs a veteran backup. Even if they drafted a rookie QB, there's no way they go into the season without Carr as the backup. Nate Davis appears to have a lot of work to do, but I think he's sticking around. MM mentioned the team could try and slide him onto the practice squad, but I think he is on the roster in 2010.
Draft potential: I know there has been a lot of talk about Jimmy Clausen ending up with the 49ers, but I'm just not seeing it right now. There are several teams ahead of the 49ers that need a QB, and given how close the 49ers are to the playoffs and greater success, I'm hoping they don't use one of their first rounders on Clausen. At the same time, if they don't grab Clausen, I do think they grab a quarterback to give Davis some competition in training camp. However, I'd lean towards last round or two, or even undrafted free agents (UDFA).
Running Back
Gore, Coffee and Robinson are not going anywhere. Gore is Gore, the team is not cutting their third round pick one year into his career, and Robinson remains a special teams standout.
Draft potential: Last year the team went with Coffee and then grabbed Kory Sheets as an undrafted free agent. This year, much of the talk has been around guys like C.J. Spiller in the first round, or Jahvid Best in the second round. Whatever route the 49ers take, I'd imagine it would be some kind of speed guy. For those who know their college running backs, what other speedsters are out there for later rounds?
Fullback
I included Norris on the roster, but Brit Miller remains a very intriguing player, and one who sits on the bubble. I don't see any reason the team keeps two fullbacks at this point, but I suppose anything is possible. However, this will be a training camp battle that is sure to keep our attention.
Draft Potential: There has been talk of Toby Gerhart moving over to a fullback role, assuming he doesn't continue on as a regular running back. Whatever the case, the earliest I see the 49ers grabbing a fullback is among the UDFAs.
Wide Receiver
The addition of Ginn moves Dominique Zeigler into a precarious bubble position. One could argue Brandon Jones and Jason Hill are right there with him as well. After all, Hill has spent a fair amount of time in Mike Singletary's doghouse and Brandon Jones had an abysmal first season in San Francisco thanks to injuries and the addition of Michael Crabtree. Personally though, I really believe both Jones and Hill will be on the 53-man roster come week 1 of the regular season.
Draft Potential: The addition of Ginn significantly lowered the chances of the 49ers adding a wide receiver in the draft. A guy like Marty Gilyard was a possibility, but Ginn fills that role at this point. I'd imagine the team will add some bodies among the UDFAs, but I'd be a bit surprised to see them add anybody during the seven rounds of the draft. Of course, drafting a wide receiver could be a sign of the lack of confidence in Jones and/or Hill.
Tight End
I think it's safe to say that Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker aren't going anywhere. I included free agent addition Tony Curtis on the bubble watch and was thinking of including Joe Jon Finley. Either of them would be primarily a blocking specialist. I think Curtis has the edge, but neither one is exactly a lock.
Draft Potential: There are some really talented tight ends in the draft, but given the 49ers depth with Davis and Walker, I don't think they'd invest much of a pick in what would amount to nothing more than a blocking specialist.
Offensive Line
The 49ers offensive line struggled quite a bit this past season and we know the team is looking to make upgrades. Adam Snyder seems destined for the bench, with David Baas potentially not too far behind depending on how the offseason goes. Chester Pitts remains a possibility as he'll be making any kind of decision after the draft is over and he's able to pass a physical. Even if the 49ers add a guard in the draft, Pitts could be a logical addition. The big question mark on the bubble is OT Alex Boone. A lot of people are hoping he can show some promise and make the roster, but it's really hard to tell what will happen with him. It's been reported that he's lost a lot of bad weight and is in excellent shape as he prepares for his second training camp. The question is whether it will be enough to make it past the practice squad.
Draft Potential: There are a lot of things in life I'm not sure about, but the 49ers drafting at least one offensive lineman in the draft is something you can take to the bank. In fact, I'm strongly convinced that one of the first three picks will be on an offensive lineman. The question is how many linemen they add. After all, they could potentially add a center that could spend time at guard waiting to replace Heitmann, assuming they can supplant Wallace. Whatever the case, we'll have plenty of new offensive linemen to discuss starting next week.
Nose Tackle
Aubrayo Franklin has not yet signed his franchise tag tender, but I'd imagine it will happen in time for training camp. Isaac Sopoaga and Kentwan Balmer have gotten some time in defensive tackle roles, but Franklin is without a doubt, the man in the middle. It's more a question of how long he'll be in that role for the 49ers.
Draft Potential: The 49ers don't exactly have a long-term answer at the nose tackle position. An occasional mock has had defensive tackle Dan Williams going to the 49ers, including Matt Barrows final mock before the draft. I don't think the 49ers go DT in the first round, but it's certainly an option for them. And while it would not fill an immediate need, it would certainly give the team a chance to figure out a long-term answer. Of course, the same argument could go for grabbing Jimmy Clausen, so I guess I've backed myself into an analytical corner. I'll stick to the theory of filling more immediate needs early on.
Defensive End
The 49ers defensive end position is a mix of talent and question marks. Justin Smith is a rock at the right defensive end position. However, the left defensive position has a lot of question marks. Isaac Sopoaga flies under the radar and I do know some folks (see Danny, Florida) that really don't like what he brings to the table. Behind Sopoaga you've got guys like Kentwan Balmer and Ricky Jean-Francois. Balmer tore his labrum late last year, but is supposed to be good to go for training camp. Although Balmer has yet to make a significant contribution, I don't see any reason he's not on the 53-man roster come September. He's inching towards bust territory, but he's still got time to turn it around.
Ricky Jean-Francois is a guy on the bubble in a big-time way. He made the 53-man roster out of training camp but didn't make his on-field debut until December 20. In the OTAs earlier this month, the team used him exclusively as a nose tackle. Part of that was probably due to the fact that Aubrayo Franklin was out having not signed his tender. However, if he can increase his versatility, it would seem to help his roster chances. I think he makes the roster, but the team might have other plans depending on what they grab in the draft.
Draft Potential: Although the team doesn't quite have a complete answer at left defensive end, I'm not sure how high they invest in a potential 3-4 defensive end. After all, it's generally not a very glamorous position and it doesn't seem like you'd invest a high pick in the position. I think the odds of much being added are fairly low, but a potential DE draft pick could provide insight into the team's thoughts on Sopoaga, Balmer and RJF.
Insider Linebacker
We know Bamm Bamm and Spikes will be manning the middle for the 49ers linebackers. McKillop and Wilhelm seem to me to be likely additions as backups and special teams options. McKillop had some spark on special teams last year, while Wilhelm has some starting experience, and was a solid fill-in when Spikes was hurt last year. Really, there isn't a whole lot of drama at this point at the 49ers' inside linebacker position.
Draft Potential: However, depending on who falls where, the draft could make things interesting. Does the team look at Rolando McClain early on? if not, where or when, if at all, do they add potential inside linebackers? They certainly need somebody to replace Spikes at some point as he only has so many years left. At the same time, who knows if they really even need to address the concern at this point.
Outside Linebacker
The 49ers' OLB position produced some interesting answers last season, but was it enough? Haralson, Brooks and Lawson are not going anywhere. While none absolutely blew things up stats-wise, they combined to be a solid trio of outside linebackers. At this point, the big question is whether Diyral Briggs will be on the roster next season. After starting 2009 on the practice squad, Briggs moved onto the 53-man roster in late October. He got some good press during training camp and the preseason, but he was fairly quiet during the season. If the team adds one of the many OLB options on the board, Briggs will find himself in a big-time battle for a roster spot.
As I was writing this, the 49ers signed Travis LaBoy to a 1-year deal. When healthy, LaBoy can be a very solid addition to the pass rush. He played in a bit of a platoon basis, but still managed solid stats. Of course, the injury concerns remain, which makes the one year deal good enough in my opinion. This will lead to an intriguing training camp battle between LaBoy and Briggs. Throw in potential draft choices and it will be a dog-fight.
Draft Potential: It seems like a good chance that the 49ers draft an outside linebacker at sLaome point over the three days of the draft. Guys like Sergio Kindle and Brandon Graham have been mentioned as possible first round picks. Personally, I remain a big fan of the 3-headed monster already on the roster and would rather let Briggs work in as the 4th OLB. I just don't think the team's pass rush needs a first round pass rusher. Yes it would help, but even without one standout pass rusher, the rush was still fairly solid.
Cornerback
As the 53-man projection above shows, there are really only three cornerbacks that we can project on the roster with any level of certainty. Of those three, Nate Clements is probably the least certain at this point. I think he's going to be around in 2010, but people could conceivably make arguments for him to get cut before September. Beyond those three, the team has Karl Paymah and Keith Smith. Both have 5+ years experience in the NFL, but neither is exactly a stand-out DB talent. I suppose they're bubble candidates, but neither impresses me enough to include them on the bubble list for now.
Draft Potential: Like offensive line, I think we can agree with a certain degree of certainty that the 49ers will be drafting at least one cornerback in 2010. The team let Marcus Hudson walk, opening up a roster spot, and leaving the team with only three roster-worthy corners. Guys like Joe Haden have been mentioned as potential CB options. There are several intriguing options at cornerback, so it will be interesting to see when the 49ers decide to pounce on a corner.
Safety
The safety position is another one that discovered some answers in 2009, but left some questions to be answered. Dashon Goldson stepped up in the starting free safety role, finally relegating Mark Roman to the bench or replacing a hurt Michael Lewis. Additionally, I've been reading that the 49ers two safety positions are fairly inter-changeable, which means if the team decides to add another safety, they have flexibility in the type of player they add.
The question at the position is two-fold: 1) What is the long term health of Michael Lewis, and 2) How will the depth fill out? Reggie Smith was drafted as a cornerback, but converted over to safety (a move many expected on draft day). However, he really hasn't quite succeeded in his safety role, and it seems like the time still doesn't really know what they have with him. The injuries haven't exactly helped matters. On the other hand you've got 7th round pick Curtis Taylor. Taylor was given some playing time but ended the season in injured reserve. Of the two, Smith seems more or less assured a roster spot, while Taylor could find himself in a battle. This would be especially true if the 49ers add a safety early on in the draft.
Draft Potential: There are a variety of safety options both at strong and free safety. Eric Berry is of course the "prized" safety, but then you've got guys like Earl Thomas and Taylor Mays as potential first round picks. After that there's a bit of a drop-off, so the 49ers could certainly use later picks on the safety position. I think the odds are high the team drafts a safety at some point, but I'm really not sure how high at this point.
Special Teams
The big 3 of kicker, punter, and long snapper are locked up for the foreseeable future. There's no debate on that. The addition of Ted Ginn Jr. would seem to provide a solution for the return game. It's possible he won't work out, but I'd imagine he'll get every opportunity as the punt and kick returner.
Draft Potential: C.J. Spiller has been a guy who's had a ton of discussion here. The 49ers could still grab him because his explosiveness on offense would be much appreciated. However, he might have been bumped down on the Big Board with the addition of Ginn. This would be even more true of a guy like Mardy Gilyard. Gilyard sounds like a guy who could get a chance to be an NFL return man, but I'd imagine for the 49ers, he's been bumped down.
POSITIONAL PROJECTIONS
So, given all this, with eight picks, what positions will they address? If I had to provide an educated guess (which is all this really is) I'd say the team drafts two offensive linemen (one OT, one OG), two defensive backs, two linebackers, one running back, and one defensive lineman. I think two linebackers because you can roll them over to special teams; same with the defensive backs.
303 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Great rundown, Fooch.
Only thing I disagree with is the drop off after Taylor Mays and Earl Thomas, I really think Nate Allen should be right there with those guys as a top talent, franchise safety option. After that you’ve got a dropoff for the next three (Jones, Jones, Burnett) and then a much larger dropoff. Again though, Nate Allen should be right there. Guy will be a beast.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
agreed
Allen very well may be the best one. I hope we get him in the 2nd somehow.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
yeah, barring a trade up for Berry, I'm becoming more OK with just "one of the top 3" of Berry, Thomas, or Allen.
I AM VERY MUCH ENJOYING THE HITTING OF BASEBALLS AND SCORING OF RUNS. -mikev
only an ZOMG CENSORED WORD FAMILY SITE quotes himself. -mikev
I'd be OK with drafting a top corner and sliding Clements to safety
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Which one though -- Haden or Wilson?
I AM VERY MUCH ENJOYING THE HITTING OF BASEBALLS AND SCORING OF RUNS. -mikev
only an ZOMG CENSORED WORD FAMILY SITE quotes himself. -mikev
OR...
Brandon Ghee in the 3rd?
I AM VERY MUCH ENJOYING THE HITTING OF BASEBALLS AND SCORING OF RUNS. -mikev
only an ZOMG CENSORED WORD FAMILY SITE quotes himself. -mikev
I like Akwasi Owusu-Ansah in the 3rd
Although a bit more before the Ginn acquisition.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
love him too
depends on what they do, who falls in the first two rounds but I like Ansah
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Same here...
If we don’t get McCourty, Wilson or Jackson, I’d hope to get Ghee or Ansah. Wouldn’t mind Thurmond in the late rounds either.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Either or
I think Devin McCourty and Kareem Jackson would also be upgrades over Clements if either is there in the 2nd or later in the first if the Niners do get an offer to trade out of 13.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Jackson should be
McCourty and Wilson will be long gone by 49 though…definitely need to trade up in the 2nd or trade down in the 1st for earlier 2nd rounder
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Hey drew my uncle just called me and said he '' herd'' dallas was trying 2 make a deal with us and a trade
4 manny lawson 2 have you heard anything like that????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see him go to the cowboys or jets at the end of round 1
by hellaninersfan on Apr 22, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with your projections as well, except with Evans. I dont see him as a lock and I think he could very well get cut if we draft a DL. He wont be starting and with McDonald and Balmer rotating in, Im not sure a 5th DE veteran takes up a roster spot.
The thing that I keep wondering is if we sign a guard like Pitts or draft a guard, who gets cut….Wallace or Wragge?
Definitely Best
We need a speed guy at RB as a change of pace for Gore/Coffee…(also because I am a Cal homer)
Anyone have thoughts about Dez Bryant? I saw him listed on some people’s boards for the Niners…interesting but troubled?
Also at CB…I heard great things about the kid out of Boise State and not so good things about Haden. But I like Haden since he played top tier receivers and Boise State played two good teams. Then again Revis came out of Pitt when Pitt was nothing.
Best is good, but people sometimes think because players have a similar skill set that they are interchangable. For how much we’d use a change of pace back, Best might be our best option(too many possible puns with that name), but he simply isnt as good as Spiller. Some people believe the Giants or Seahawks would waste a pick on Spiller bc they have similar type backs in Forsett and Bradshaw, but those guys just arent as good as Spiller.
Best
I would say 49ers need to draft Best or Gerhardt (as much as it pains me to type that) on Day 2…which round I don’t know.
Toby Gerhardt from stanford if so why he's already crying about how he's not getting a fair chance
because he’s white and he may be true but why would we want him unless he’s planning on playing full-back ahh ooh now i’m stereo-typing him lol.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Gerhardt would be a nice short yardage compliment
Gore sometimes has difficulting find the end zone in short yardage situations.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
does Toby play ST's?
and is he darn good at it?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Would it matter because MRob isn't good at running the ball, so Gerhart would be an upgrade over him in that regard.
Either way though, don’t think we need a short yardage guy.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
He may have in his freshman year
But he never returned any kicks or punts in his entire career at Stanford.
I mean coverage, tackling on ST's
and blocking on ST’s.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
You forgot to mention Tebow under the “Fullback” category!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
God's Fullback?
I think he’d be a great lead blocker for the lord.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
LOL +1
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Apr 22, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Great piece
Except I just read the article on sfgate where Baalke says the philosophy is still to take the best player available rather than addressing a need.
I got a feeling we’ll end up with Dez Bryant by the end of the day. Baalke seem to be enamored with him. He actually states in the article that they have no character concerns with him what so ever.
Not sure how I feel about this but if we’re going to have a spread offense, Crabtree, Bryant and Morgan are good options to have, I guess.
A perfect 3 picks for me would be Spiller, Best Available OT, and Nate Allen.
I am the adopted son of Willie...Willie McCovey.
re: Baalke's thoughts on Dez Bryant...
Smokescreen!
by Rod Blogojevich on Apr 22, 2010 9:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
psychology
I wouldn’t be surprised if the team expresses interest in a player so that another team will think they need to trade up to get him. In reality, the player is not that high on the 49ers draft board and it knocks somebody else down to them.
I could be entirely wrong, but I believe in the idea of smokescreens.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
As you should
Any decent GM would not be letting the rest of the league know what he wants.
In this sense, I kind of like Kawakami’s hyping of Clausen, even though he seems like the least qualified of the 49ers beat reporters (well, Ray Ratto and Lohen Cohn don’t count)
So maybe this no talk on trading up to get Berry in the Niners front....
means they will do it!!!! I am a bit of a dreamer sometimes
by sanfranfanmdk on Apr 22, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt Bryant gets past the Broncos
Gaffney is projected as their #1 WR right now (for some reason McDaniels likes to ignore Eddie Royal) and I don’t see a McDaniels led offense doing much with a Gaffney/Orton combo.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Can the 49ers trade some WR's?
There’s a logjam at receiver, and I can’t imagine that the Rams receivers are better than Hill or Jones.
Obviously, trades within the division are less likely to happen, but why shouldn’t the 49ers get some draft picks with recievers?
I think its possible
but I dont think we can trade Jones because of contract issues
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Nobody will trade much for Hill or Jones.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
A 5th rounder would suffice.
That would give us back what we lost to get Ginn who is definitely making the roster to return kicks.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't wait for the draft ...
… the change of timing has basically made it hugely difficult for European fans to follow the first round, but hey, I cannot really complain when (a) I’m not the primary market and (b) I’m getting the Niners delivered to my hometown for a game in October! That said, I am going to try to stay up late and watch. The first round starts tonight at half past midnight – when do you reckon picks 13 and 17 will be? It’s 10 minutes on the clock right? I reckon we draft at maybe 4.30am and 5am for me – I might have an early night then get up super early to check in!
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
I don't like the 3 day draft
in that it seems like the NFL is milking it too hard.
But it does create an interesting dynamic where everybody can reset their draft boards and strategies after the 1st round is gone.
I’d really like a safety and Spiller, but I see the 49ers going with a falling Anthony Davis and probably a CB.
picks
If each pick is 10 minutes, it’s 120 minutes to pick 13. Throw in some additional time for trades and whatnot and I think with the draft starting at 4:30pm pacific time, you’re looking at about 6:30-6:45pm pacific time for the picks. So if the draft starts at 12:30 for you, I’d guess 2:30-2:45am. That sucks big time.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Fooch ...
… I think my maths were wrong, ha ha. Yes, 2.30am, so that’s worse than 4.30am in a way, in as much as it’s too late to stay up and too early to get up. On a work day anyway – I would normally be up at 6am tomorrow (Friday) to go to work. Reckon I’ll just have to miss the draft and check in tomorrow morning. It definitely spoils the excitement for me a little – but it’ll be very cool waking up to see who we’ve taken. Enjoy, gentlemen! I might call in later tonight to savour the build-up.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
I thought they didn't add additional time when a trade is made?
Thought you just pick right up where the last team left off on their clock? Since you’re trading up, you should already know who you’re drafting.
I’m on the east coast so I gotta wait til around 9:30 for the Niners first pick. When they trade it down with another team, as happy as I’ll be, I’m gonna cry because I then have to wait longer. If only I didn’t have work on Friday.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
time
I don’t think time is added but there always seems to be a delay in between the picks with the announcement and whatnot.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this today
I’m sure they have to sign some paperwork to finalize the trade…there has to be some red tape to cut that adds to the time
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
True, I don't think it'll be significant by pick #13.
Only about 5 minutes difference tops I’d say. By the Saints pick, it’ll be more like 15-20 minutes.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice Post
I see either Evans or Balmer on the bubble come training camp, because we will draft another defensive end. Same goes for Michael Lewis at safety, if we get a Earl Thomas/Taylor Mays or a Nate Allen/Morgan Burnett, Lewis may be released.
"Insanity is doing something over and over again expecting a different result"
The mirror lies to the face of those who cannot handle the truth
by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 22, 2010 9:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Couple of thoughts
1. The overall talent level on the roster is really improved. There will be some decent players who don’t make this team in the final cuts.
2. One player I haven’t seen mocked to the Niners much who I think is a possibility is Jared Odrick, DE/DT from Penn State. He’s supposed to be the cream of the crop for 5-technique DEs in this years’ draft and could really nail down that LDE spot for years. If the Niners don’t think the OL and DB picks available have value, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them pick Odrick.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
Odrick would be nice
I just wonder how far he’ll fall.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Balmer is like dead weight
if only he played half decent so we could package him with soaps and Manny
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Much like Alex, I think this is his make it or beak it year
If he doesn’t explode on to the scene, I think he’ll be gone next season
yeah
only Alex showed something last year. It sucks we are committed to Balmer’s potential for one more year.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Balmer
well he was only drafted in 2008. I think smileyman did a piece on the time frame and development for 3-4 defensive ends. It takes some time. He is only two years in. So by that mark, this should be a break out year for him if he’s going to be good.
Do you think the RJF at NT is just an experiment?
Or based on some real potential there? Seems like a stretch.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Think it's just because Franklin wasn't at that mini camp.
Can’t see him even making the roster this year. I think he’s a waste of a spot, even more so than Balmer is right now.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
seeing if he has any value
I think they’re looking for a reason to keep PBJT
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
by Tre9er on Apr 22, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I just expected to see at least ONE
occasion where he Brodies someone. We picked him for his strength, but he just doesn’t look the part. Now, of course its all about technique and leverage, but I’ve just never seen him do anything at all.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
2010 is make or break for a few guys
like the 37 wide receivers who catch 1 pass collectively…
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
But he's playing a one of the hardest positions 2 learn in the NFL do you think he's got a fair chance so far????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
fair chance?
Maybe he needs more time, but he is playing on an outstanding D with tutelage by some guy named Justin Smith
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I can see why people might be frustrated with balmer i just would hate 2 see him go some where
and start balling-out .i’m also intriguied with ricky-jean-francois i saw dude at LSU and he can be a force sometimes his junior year 2 me was his best his senior year he was beat-up alot but what position do you think they will play him at????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m at work. So… yes.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 22, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
when it was 7pm last night (ET) I began to feel like a kid on X-mas eve…except I woke up and still had 12 hours to wait…
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Better be #13!!!
I want their 1st, 2nd and 3rd
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't think it's necessary
We have enough depth at DE and he isn’t really better than anyone we have. If we got him, Soap should be out.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Sopoaga
I dont think he would be out. He would still work his way in to the rotation to give whoever else a breather. He is a beast agains the run
Then Balmer is out.
I can’t see Evans making the roster, but I can’t possibly see us fielding seven DL this year. I’d want a competent backup to Franklin and I don’t think any of the guys we have fill that role. I’m thinking somewhere in this draft we get a project NT.
So I can only see us keeping four DEs. Smith, McDonald, Balmer and ? is the way I see it. Have to give Balmer one more chance since he’s a former 1st rounder, no matter how bad we think he is.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I want a guy who can play all 3 spots
or at least 2. We could use a guy with massive push at LDE for rotation and that guy could groom to be the NT too.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Dan Williams
below
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
this
4-3 DT with size who can slide out but has played inside too…I think Williams is the best versatile lineman for a 3-4 team
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I'd take Udofia in the 7th as a developmental guy.
They rostered RJF last year out of the 7th and I don’t see him as the answer at NT for the future.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Drew i want sopaga ad michael robinson gone no if ands or butts there ''' dead weight '''
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
as much as I really do like Robinson, I now feel he is a failed experiment. Time to move on perhaps?
Can you tell me what you liked about him because i can't see it he may be a nice guy
but as far as talent zilch.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
fearless special teamer
in on every tackle, blocks hard, very smart guy and a pro-bowler on special teams.
We take that for granted but the difference between a TD and a tackle on a punt is often that one guy who was in the right position to make the stop
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
robinson is a pro-bowler
if there’s one guy Schottenheimer get’s to keep strictly for ST’s…it’s M.Rob
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
MRob is one dimensional
That doesn’t seem to make sense at all.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Yes. It is pretty clear that he only contributes on special teams
as to where Miller would contribute on offense and special teams. I think it’s pretty clear.
really
I remember MRob catching a bunch of passes downfield. He’s a mismatch out of the backfield. And he never drops the ball.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
downfield?
Are you sure it was the 49ers you were watching and we are talking about the same player?
He had 3 rushes for 2 yards (0.7 avg) and 6 catches for 24 yards (4.0 aveg) with his longest being 8 whole yards.
He is not significant on offense.
yeah last year in the amazing high playing versitile Raye offense
The year before he had 202 yards receiving for 11.8 avg. and a long of 38 yrds, or does 38 yards not count as down field?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
How many YAC?
He can catch a short pass and get two blocks and have an 80 yarder. A FB can do that just as well.
Why would you argue argue this? MRob is just not a really valuable player.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Give it up robinson should be lucky he made it this far this long he
must be a good locker-room guy because in the talent department is zilch,zero,nada,shall i go on.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
If Raye called more than 3 plays
he might actually get used
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
i lol'd
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
for us
that’s what he is. He is excellent in blitz pickup, and a threat out of the backfield. Martz knew how to use him. Raye doesn’t seem to know how to use anyone but a TE.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I'm not so sure about that
I know it was only one play, but the last play of the AZ game a couple years ago comes to mind.
dude the call went to the wrong side
it was supposed to be an overload on the left, instead the call went in wrong and MRob got handed the ball against a goalline D on the WEAK side. Do your research.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
The Monday Night heartbreaker
Yeah… thanks for bringing up that painful memory… I was at that game. lol
We have a fullback for short running plays and catching out of the backfield.
I’d rather they upgrade at FB and lose MRob for a COP back.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing i can say about you goatfather when you ride with a person you ride
with them ‘’’ until the wheels fall-off ’’ 2 bad your riding with the wrong person.i can got 2 any local high-school and find a RB with more talent and upside than M.Robinson.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Love me some bret-miller dude was making plays all-over the field in pre-season
drew what college did he come from????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey drew by the niners not being in the draft room so far shows there trading out
of there spot or am i just reading it wrong because it seems like the other teams the NFLnetwork shows are in there draft rooms.????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
M.Robinson is a '' bum '' no speed at all no cut-back ability ooh he's a good 3rd down back,yea if its 3rdand 1
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be incredibly awesome
We can only hope.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
i like Cohn's article
which is weird to say…but wouldn’t it be awesome to stockpile late 1sts or 2nds? We could have a massive camp battle at some key positions and get rid of some potential dead weight on the team…guys who have been hanging around but not contributing
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
But don't we need a safety just as much as dallas and why let dallas move-up and get him i can understand
if dallas was in the AFC ,earl thomas could be intercepting alex smth passes in the Play-offs
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You make the trade because it brings more value to your team.
Dallas would give up either two picks and a player or three picks this year. That’s incredible value to just move down and take another safety who’s likely just as good as Thomas and can be gotten later for cheaper. His name’s Nate Allen.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I am really kind of disappointed that we only get to see one round today
At least we have two picks though
i found myself feeling that way today too
cause this year the 2nd is like another 1st.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
i'm lazy
what time does round 2 start tomorrow?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Wow, I can't believe how badly they cater to the damn east coast.
I AM VERY MUCH ENJOYING THE HITTING OF BASEBALLS AND SCORING OF RUNS. -mikev
only an ZOMG CENSORED WORD FAMILY SITE quotes himself. -mikev
tv money
It’s all about the money. Shocking, I know.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it is also practical. It wouldn’t make sense to start it at 9:30 EST. It would end super late at night (or early in th morning depending on perspective)
You know sometimes i could do with-out dion sanders on this day i'm just burnt-out
on his over the dramatics.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea but other than the giants HUGE up-set against the patriots when was last time they '' won''
a SB not played in one i know kerry collins took them there and they had 2 upset a very talented vikings team if i’m correct.So why do they swing like dion sanders rapped and what fooch just said ‘’’ must be the money ’’ lol.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
the east coast is a densely populated coast
and as Drew mentioned, no one will stay up until 3AM to watch the draft. What if they started it at 4AM PT? That okay for you Left Coasters?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I don't know
It will be over around 8 and then we all have the time to talk about our picks and moves for the remainder of the night!
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Mike Mayock thinks
that three QB’s are going to go in the first
He speculates that Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow may go in the last half.
probably
someone will move up in the bottom of the 1st to take one of them. The teams at the bottom have no need for those guys so they’ll be happy to trade down. Especially in this year’s draft
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I think scouts ,sports media ,and ex coaches are sleeping on colt mccoy i think he could have more success than
all these QBs picked in tis draft.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
If the top OT's Spiller, Haden, and Thomas are gone
Do we select Dan Williams?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Would much rather trade back and pick up Saffold earlier than the 2nd
He may not be around at the 49th pick
this
heck, I’d rather trade down and REACH on Saffold late in the 1st.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I dont think it's a huge reach
Personally, I think his ceiling is waaaayyyyyy higher than Anthony Davis or Trent Williams’
me too
I think he’s a reach at 17, but not the mid to late 20’s
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Really?
I think Davis has the highest ceiling of any lineman in this draft.
Although I agree that Saffold is not much of a reach in the late 1st.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah it does
Especially if eaten.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I'm worried he is going to go at the end of the 1st
But, yeah I don’t think we can land him at 49
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
How many times are we going 2 trade back and all that stuff we did it last year 2 be sitting in this spot
if the niners does that again i while be PISSED and it would show me that there cheap and scared 2 have 2 picks in the first rd
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
You know what would be funny is if dez bryant gets drafted and comes off stage and sees dion and walks
right pass him while dion left holding the microphone and he then tells the next reporter ‘’ last time i talked 2 dion it cost me a season and some millions’’
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
only if we're darn sure
he can provide a big impact at LDE right away.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Great post Fooch
I agree with most of your thoughts. If I had to guess I’d say there will be 2 offensive lineman, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 defensive lineman, 1 linebacker, and 2 DB’s drafted. In what order I think all depends on how the board plays out, as I think any of those spots could be addressed in the 1st or 2nd round.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
Brit Miller (Rathman 2.0)
I don’t think there is any chance that he is on the bubble Fooch. The guy is a stud on ST’s and potentially an upgrade over Norris this year at FB. I think that if anyone is on the bubble, it’s Norris. Robinson could be out too.
twitter has been quiet
lately, like in the past hour
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
this is new to everyone
Mora made a good point about this new situation being a cause for pause.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Roster thoughts
Offense:
QB – Could see them drafting Clausen at #17, but I think they try to trade down with #13, so that might put that option out the window. I’d like a late round guy to compete with Davis for 3rd on the chart. I like Kafka or Crompton in the 6th as a project guy.
RB – This doesn’t need much thought. Gore and Coffee are locks, but I just can’t see Robinson being on the roster this year. Sure the guy is a great STer, but you need to contribute elsewhere the way this roster is built. Unless they wanna move him to FB, I can’t see him sticking around if they get a COP guy.
FB – Think it’ll be Norris, but it’s good to give him competition. I could see a 7th rounder coming in and competing as well or a UDFA.
TE – This position is fine with Davis and Walker. I don’t see why we need a blocker when a guard can come in as an eligible TE. We’re telegraphing the play call anyway by sending in the blocker that it’s a run to his side. A good idea would be to have our backup guard practice catching some passes, and run play action when on those short goalline situations like the Pats do.
WR – I really think we only need four WRs. Since we run two TE sets so often and can split Davis out wide, I don’t see a need for 5 WRs. It’s the typical number, but we have a lot of spots spaced out along the roster. So if we take a WR at all or someone can beat out Hill and Jones, I don’t see all of them making the roster. Crabtree, Morgan and Ginn are locks, but we don’t have to keep either of the other three we already have. I don’t care what Jones’ contract is, we won’t take a cap hit so cut him if he can’t prove himself.
OL – Obviously, there is going to be at least one new guy at tackle. I’ll just say Staley, Baas, Heitmann, Rachal, and new guy will be starters. Think Wragge or a C/G from this draft will get rostered just in case and then Boone and Sims will be the other game day guys. I can see them trying Boone at guard in case of emergency because if he goes back to the PS, I think someone is gonna claim him. A lot of need at OL for quite a few teams.
DL – I’m combining everything here. Smith and Soap will start at DE with Franklin at DT. Balmer and McDonald make the roster as backups and a drafted guy gets the backup DT spot to develop.
ILB – This pretty much set. I’ll stick with the guys we have, but bring in a UDFA to challenge Wilhelm for the backup TED spot.
OLB – Lawson, Brooks, Harrelson and LaBoy. I’ll only see Briggs making it if Lawson gets traded and they don’t draft someone. If they draft someone with value and keep Lawson, I think LaBoy ends up getting cut.
CB – I can see Clements, Spencer and Brown making it plus a drafted guy. Perhaps one of the 1st rounders will be used at corner. Maybe they release one of these guys, but it’s either Brown or Clements and I see Brown as a good nickel corner for the future and he just got an extension. If they keep three corners, Clements is the odd man out.
S – Goldson is in. I see them drafting someone who will make the roster, and then they need at least one more guy. It’ll end up being Smith more than likely because he’s more experienced than Taylor.
ST’s – That’s simple. Only one I could see moving is Nedney and he’s better than the other guy we re-signed.
MRob
will be a Niner until he retires.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
At least
as long as Battle
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Can't possibly see him making the roster this year unless we don't add a RB at all!
Take it to the bank.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't remember a draft where people had 2 sale a QB( Tim tebow & jimmy clausen)or QBs like
these 2 and 2 me if you’ve got 2 sale that hard there not worth taking in the 1st round.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
So 9th you see us letting go of walt harris go yea i know he's old and coming off a injury but do you see us letting him walk????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Walt is a free agent. We're not releasing him...
it’s more of us just letting him walk. I don’t see anyone else signing him so he can be a fill in if someone gets hurt mid-season. However, I think they’d want to bring back Bly before Harris. Harris was great while he was here, but at his age with that injury, I think his career is done.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I really like walt harris he was a very dependable CB when he was with us.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
So did I...
I thought that in his pro bowl year he played better than Clements did. If he was still completely healthy and we felt good about him, I’d take him for #2 and trade Clements for as much as I could.
Hell, I’d trade Clements right now and re-sign Bly to take over at #2 if there was any value for a declining cornerback. We should try to ship him to Dallas or another CB needy team.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Deion Sanders
Needs to GTFOMyTV
/he only was good one year, ever in his life
He was on the NFLN, I know I could have changed the channel and all.. but its my TV
yes only one year, the year he was on the Niners, which gave him a free pass
Sanders comes from my home town, he visited my middle school and high school, because his niece went there. My former brother-in-law, went to school with him, he was drug dealer, not a saint he claims to be, nothing against drug dealers per say, just saying.
Are saying dion sanders was a drug-dealer because ive never heard anything like that even when he was in college
or are you saying you know a dude name dion sanders that you used 2 by drugs from ????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Another person i can do with-out today is marshall faulk (and i'm black but its not acolor thing) its 2 much
arrogance with him plus rich eisen spens 2 much time kiss his and dions (bleep) that smug smile erks the hell out of me.There i said it and i;m done with it that being said im still watching the majority of the draft(i will still switch back n forth)on NFL network.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't get worse than his mock draft...
where he sent a 4th round prospect to the Colts in the 1st round.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Faulk is great
He doesn’t seem arrogant to me at all. I like Eisen too, he’s just hilarious.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm 100% convinced he knows nothing about football
or at least not enough to be an analyst. I think there are at least a dozen members here with more football knowledge than Faulk.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he's good with the draft and stuff
But when it comes to analyzing the games, I think he’s fairly good for a media personality.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I've only seenlimited stuff from him since I don't have NFL net...
but everything I’ve heard from him sounds like he has no idea what’s going on.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Eisen is probably my favorite out of anyone on NFLN
Michael Irvin is always good for a few laughs too…. or mainly just to laugh at him. I am convinced he comes to the studio coked outta his mind somedays.
Don't get me wrong marshall may be cool as a person but he is arrogant and he does have a smug side
2 him but if it was between him and dion i will take marshall all-day-long but rich is my dude ‘’ Mr.favre watch ’’ is a riot i’m just nit-picking .Like i said i’m still watching NFL network all-day-long,if i wanted 2 listen about Big Ben all damm day then i would watch ESPN.
They are talking about Big Ben way too much
It’s incredibly annoying.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Niners WAR ROOM
comming up on NFLN
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
MRob
we just picked up a KR\PR. MRob is our best special teams player, hardly think we will part ways.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
special teams
I’m not sure how to assess special teams ability when you’re not a primary return guy, but he’s made the Pro Bowl as an alternate on special teams each of the past two seasons. Tied for third last season in special teams tackles.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
thank you
I guess our PRO BOWL caliber ST player will get cut? lol
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
pro bowl
I certainly don’t see him getting cut. At the same time, it’d be nice to have a better measurement of his special teams abilities. After all, being selected to a Pro Bowl isn’t exactly the best measurement of ability.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
true
He may not excel at any one position, but he’s very versitile and reliable. I believe hes been used as a KR, Return team, Kickoff team, FB, HB, WR (on some plays), and even ran that fake punt back in 06 and blew up the dude who got in his way. I love his toughness.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
You know whats cool about you goatfather is that you've helped us find a subject that we can pass
the time with no-matter how wrong you may be lol just kidding .
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Assessing
Fooch, I’m pretty curious on statistical evaluations of players. I’m a huge hockey fan since I’m Canadian and such, and a new wave of advanced statistics similar to Sabermetrics in Baseball is taking the NHL by storm. Is there a system similar to Sabermetrics (advanced stat analysis) in football? I have thought long and hard about how underlying numbers could be applied to football but I keep shooting blanks. I know Florida Danny is the guy who would probably be the best source of info for this, but have you ever come across anything of this matter?
by Rod Blogojevich on Apr 22, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Stats
Football Outsiders is the most well-known of the advanced stats analysis, but there is plenty more.
Here is some background on FO’s stats.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Right on. I’ll check it out this evening after I’ve written my final exam today.
by Rod Blogojevich on Apr 22, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll second the recommendation
FO is a great site.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought I had heard that
players had the most to do with ST guys making PB’s???
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
pro bowl
Remember though that fan vote only counts for 1/3 of the selection. I think payers and coaches are the other 2/3 (not sure if media is part of it as well). So, players and coaches respect his abilities.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm so glad brian baldinger is not in 49ersdaft room he's a '' hater '' let him swing on the redskins
matter of fact lets just hand the lombardi trophy 2 washington mccnabb is a up-grade but 2 be honest on the biggest stage he has came up short.
That’s entirely possible. But I’d like to think players don’t just vote for some guy b/c he’s a good guy. It might factor in, but given he’s made it the last two years, I’m personally willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The dude is slow maybe he did find his niche o ST but who cares we didn't draft him 2 be a ST stand-out
and we sucked on STs last year anyway,2 me you can find more talented STeamers un-drafted or FA its not like if he’s gone the team falls apart with-out him.
special teams
Given the often nebulous nature of special teams (outside of kickers, punters and return men), I don’t think either of us can convince the other one we’re right. I think we’re at a state of “agree to disagree.”
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Throw in the nebulous nature of Pro Bowl voting as well.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s come down to that again, lol. Guess we’ll just have to wait and watch the rest of the offseason unfold to find out just how much value is there. To me, special teams players are a dime a dozen…and they are all runnin’ and gunnin’ because they are trying to stand out to see a bigger portion of playing time in their areas of expertise. MRob’s area of expertise stops at ST’s.
Robinson
You’re probably right on the special teams expertise. His contract extension came in early 2008 (signed it through 2012), so we’ll see how Football Ops and the coaching staff feel about him given all the turnover since then (notably McNolan out the door).
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
When they had that ridiculous press conference a couple years ago when Nolan lost some of his power, “McNolan” took hold.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Spoken perfectly and now that i think of it there was a little old running back that made
a impact 4 the denver broncos (Terrell Davis ) on ST with a hit he layed on someone well at least thats how the story goes after that hit shanahan gave him a shot at running the ball.The only problem michael robinson would be the reverse of that story coaches saw he was no-good at running the ball so they put him on ST.
How many kick returns M.Robinson ran back ,how many did he run back in pre-season 4-us
how kr/pr did bust for 30 or 40 yrds ,do you mean a good tackler on ST????
by jayjonna415 on Apr 22, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont think we wil have a #3 reciever.
The #3 WR spot will most likely be a rotation of Ginn, Hill, and Walker, and possibly a drafter COP back. Heck even Gore is more likely to line up in the #3 spot, lol.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
This is true...
but I think they’ll send Ginn out there just for his speed and hope to get an occasional deep pass.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
49ers on NFL Network
They just went to commercial and sounds like they’ll be discussion the 49ers after the break.
Jamie Dukes thinking we will go with Dez
by Rod Blogojevich on Apr 22, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
With 17?
I could get on board with Bulaga at 13 and Bryant at 17. It would let Crabtree work out of the slot which is probably a more natural fit for him. But isn’t Bryant represented by Crabtree’s people as well? I don’t know if the Niners would really want to deal with that again.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes same crew...
that’s why he was caught talking to Dion. It’s a complete nightmare waiting to happen. The guy’s got talent, but is it worth it. And when the contracts expire, which one are you keeping because you aren’t gonna be able to keep both?
It’s a major set up for the same situation ‘Zona had with Fitz and Boldin. I’ll pass and invest the money in a guy at a different position.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I am just throwing it out there (and its not my dream scenario)
But how in the world do you cover a combo of Michael Crabtree, Dez Bryant, Vernon Davis, Josh Morgan, and still account for Frank Gore? How? Is it even possible?
this is true
I’d prefer to upgrade elsewhere, but if they added Bryant, that’d be a filthy amount of talent on offense. If you could go Bryant, and then get an offensive lineman with either 17 or 49, I could live with that.
by David Fucillo on Apr 22, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. That would be an incredible offense. If Alex Smith were to flame out, I don’t think the 49ers would have an issue recruiting free agent quarterbacks to SF- I would assume any quarterback would love to have those kind of options.
by Rod Blogojevich on Apr 22, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. If the draft gives us Dez and a good OT then Alex will make the pro bowl. You heard it here first!
by Rod Blogojevich on Apr 22, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
thats a good point
Its funny how everyone says how hard it is to get a Franchise QB, and yet there were 2 of them there in the last 2 months
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
You forgot Ginn
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
and MRob
; )
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
and you know
he’d do a good job of it, just like everything he does football related
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Nickel package
It’ll consist of Revis, Asomogha (sp?), Bailey, Reed and Polamalu.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
No trades today?
anyone find that wierd?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Don't know who's available...
Once it kicks off, then we’ll see some players getting traded. The most likely are Turdburger and Haynesworth. Maybe there’ll be some others as well and some shuffling of picks.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
dont you mean
Worthlessburger?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Apparently he is worthless now...
I bet they trade him for a 2nd round pick tomorrow to a needy team. Just hope it’s not the Niners.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
why don't the Raiders just TRADE for him already?
They want to give JaMarcus another shot + Big Ben’s Suspension = DUH
But Alas, its the Raiders.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Much like how the Ravens stuck by Lewis during/after his murder charge
And the Lakers stuck by Kobe I think the Steelers will choose to “rally” behind Ben because they can’t get fair compensation for him. He’ll be mostly useless to a new team this year seeing as how he can’t participate in practices as what not and what if there are other cases of him pulling the same kind of nonsense that girls haven’t come forward on yet? He’s worth more to the Steelers than anybody else with all of the unknowns.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He can't practice???
I didn’t actually look at the details, but usually Goodell lets the guy go through camp and practice, even pre-season games, but can’t play regular season.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I think it might just be all pre-training camp activities
Which would still make it tougher for him to pick up the system. Sorry for the misinformation.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Difference is that Lewis hasn't had a spot of trouble since
I don’t know about Kobe—don’t follow basketball. I think Ben is on a very short leash in Pitsburgh.
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
And Ben hasn't had a trouble since
Kobe’s been clean since his colorado incident. Point is, it’s best for everybody if Ben just gets his act together and keeps that kind action isolated to his room and that there is a little bit of history of players righting their ship.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 22, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben's incident happend this summer
he hasn’t had a chance to get into trouble
Member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010
I think they will both stay… The only way Rapistburger goes anywhere, is if the Raiders make a go at him. I think Haynesworth is stuck in Washington… Detroit would be th only potential suitor, and they seem to really have their sites set on Suh.
RKellysburger?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
At least
she didn’t have pimples and braces
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I could see Haynesworth returning to Tennessee
If the price was right for the Titans, I don’t see why they wouldn’t take a shot. I could also see the Bucs interested despite looking at McCoy.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That's possible too
And they run a 4-3 like he wants. Plus they’re kinda in contention for the playoffs depending on Kolb, so I’m sure he’s welcome it.
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Who runs a faster 40?
Eisen or Manusky?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I can hear that
Maaaaaanusky
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Was E. Thomas there?
If he was, trade it down!!!
by 9thevolution on Apr 22, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions

by 


























