NFL Draft 2010: First Round Recap & Grades
There were a bunch of fireworks and movement on the board in the first round of this years draft. Lot's of surprises of players rising up the board (i.e. Tim Tebow, Tyson Alualu), as well as a few first round prospects falling (i.e. Jimmy Clausen, Taylor Mays). Rounds two and three should be just as action packed, and there should be just as many surprising moves made.
The 49ers went out and patched up the offensive line... or so we shall see. They made a trade up two spots to grab Anthony Davis like he was the second coming of Larry Allen. The second of the two picks was used on Mike Iupati who should challenge current starter David Baas for his job at left guard. By opening day, the 49ers could have two new starters holding down the fort for Alex Smith. The 49ers have just 5 selections left in the draft with the 49th, 79th, 182nd, 206th, and 224th picks. There will be a long wait Saturday morning before the Niners go on the clock considering they don't have a pick in the 4th round (for the trade up to get Anthony Davis), and the 5th round selection (for the offseason trade of Ted Ginn Jr.). It is not certain if the 49ers will hang on to the rest of their picks considering they don't have much left to work with, or they will package more picks to move up and grab one specific player. It would probably be wise to hang on to ther rest since there aren't that many left... although some will feel quality is better than quantity. The 49ers still have to address the secondary some if they want to put themselves in front of the pack in the NFC West.
Today will be a very interesting day. The second and third rounds are still a chock full of talent and we should see alot of potentially good football players come off the board.
Now on to the thoughts and grades of the first round.
I will do a pick by pick analysis followed by an overall grade. I am going to do these similar to how I graded out our community mocks.
Here is the grading table that I will be using:
A+ = (Excellent, best possible pick)
A = (Excellent pick)
A- = (Excellent pick but could have gone another way)
B+ = (Very good pick)
B = (Very good pick but could have gone another way)
B- = (Very good pick but not a huge area of concern)
C+ = (Average pick with some upside)
C = (Average pick)
C- = (Average pick but may not pan out)
D = (Complete blunder of a pick)
1. Sam Bradford | Oklahoma | Quarterback | Rams - I think that the Rams front office's hand was forced in this pick. They have waited and waited to grab a franchise quarterback for years now. They finally get their guy in Bradford. It will now be up to the front office to get a couple of lineman and a few other offensive weapons to surround him with in the rest of the draft for him to have any kind of success. GRADE: A+
2. Ndamukong Suh | Nebraska | Defensive Tackle | Lions - Ndamukong Suh could potentially be the best player in the draft this year. The Lions just turned one of the worst defensive lines in the NFL from last year in to one of the best with their recent free agency moves and this pick here. The Lions will now be able to present a pass rush without having to send blitzes all the time. Excellent pick and best possible scenario for the Lions. GRADE: A+
3. Gerald McCoy | Oklahoma | Defensive Tackle | Bucs - The Bucs have not had a force on that defensive line since the departure of Warren Sapp. McCoy will inspire the guys around him to play at their best. He is a great addition and excellent leader on the field. I am not sure there was a better pick for the Bucs here. I don't expect playoffs for them, but they have a chance to at least climb out of the cellar. GRADE: A+
4. Trent Williams | Oklahoma | Offensive Tackle | Redskins - I have to say that I was a bit stunned with this selection. Williams over Okung? I don't know, I guess Shanahan saw something that the rest of us didn't or don't; enough anyway to warrant picking him over Russell Okung. If they plan on starting him at left tackle, which I presume they will, I think that McNabb could be on the ground quite a bit more than he was in Philadelphia. GRADE: C-
5. Eric Berry | Tennessee | Safety | Chiefs - The Chiefs safeties were at the bottom of the barrell last year. They went out and tried to add an older Mike Brown last year and it just did not quite pan out. Eric Berry is a field general that will demand his teammates to play to his level which I expect to be quite high even in the NFL. They may have been able to grab an offensive lineman with this selection but when Berry is sitting there right in front of you, how hard would it be to pass on him? Overall, I don't think the Chiefs could have done better. GRADE: A+
6. Russell Okung | Oklahoma State | Offensive Tackle | Seahawks - I bet Pete Carroll was giddy when Russell Okung fell to them here. This was a no-brainer for the Seahawks. I don't think there was a better possible scenario that could have happened for them. Hasselbeck is getting older and he will need a power house like Okung to protect his blind side. It really didn't sit well with some folks (including me) when the Redskins picked Williams and Okung fell to the 49ers division rivals but overall they could not have done better in round one. GRADE: A+
7. Joe Haden | Florida | Cornerback | Browns - The Browns needed an upgrade on defense and they went for one here. There have been many that have speculated that Haden would be a shutdown corner but the facts are that he is not... at least yet. Holmgren and Mangini are great motivators though and may be able to maximize Haden's potential. I am big believer that certain players are hyped beyond their potential and for me, Haden falls in to that category. GRADE: B-
8. Rolando McClain | Alabama | Linebackers | Raiders - Everyone expected some kind of mind boggling pick here but the Radiers actually made a sensible pick for once. McClain is not some sort of athletic freak but a solid football player. The Radiers are doing a lot to make their linebacking corp one of the best in the NFL. I don' think it was the best way for them to go here but they didn't completely mess it up this time around. GRADE: A-
9. C.J. Spiller | Clemson | Running Back | Bills - Marshawn Lynch hasn't really panned out to what the Bills had hoped he would in Buffalo. He has had a few off-field issues and has been so-so on his production. Most Bills fans were hoping for a quarterback here, or maybe even an offensive lineman but ended up with a dynamic game changing type of player in Spiller. This was probably a bitter-sweet pick for the Bills fans here and I am sure they are divided on their opinions. GRADE: B
10. Tyson Alualu | California | Defensive Tackle | Jaguars - Besides the Tebow pick, this was the biggest head scratcher in my opinion. Yes, the Jags tried to trade back but wouldn't it have made more sense to trade up for him in the second? I don't know about this pick here and that organization has made some real iffy picks in the past few years. This one falls right in to that category. I think Alualu will be good, but not first round good. GRADE: D
11. Anthony Davis | Rutgers | Offensive Tackle | 49ers - I have had a day to sleep on it and there is a little more hope. But there are some major issues with this pick for me here. First, they traded up to get a guy who would have been there at the 13th pick (mistake number one). Second, they selected a guy who is only 20 years old, I don't think he is mature enough to start at right tackle just yet... it's going to take some time (mistake number two). With that said, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, Davis was on my bust radar, so he will have to work diligently to prove me wrong. I think Bulaga would have been the better pick here. Singletary and Solari have their work cut out for them if they want to get him "start-ready" for the NFL by opening day against the Seahawks in Seattle. The 12th man and a 20 year old rookie right tackle should be interesting and may not be the best mix. GRADE: C-
12. Ryan Mathews | Fresno State | Running Back | Chargers - This was another confusing trade-up in my eyes. I believe that if the Chargers would have just sat tight with the slot they had, Mathews would have been there. At the very least, they could have traded up with the Texans or Falcons if they were that nervous about it. Moving up all the way to the 12th pick was a bad move in my opinion. GRADE: B
13. Brandon Graham | Michigan | Defensive End | Eagles - This to me, is the only trade-up that was somewhat intelligent. Graham has the potential to be a Dwight Freeney type of player. When you have that type of potential and an area of need, it really is not a horrible move. The Eagles needed to enhance their defense and I fully anticipate them doing that some more today. GRADE: A
14. Earl Thomas | Texas | Safety | Seahawks - So far, it appears that the Seahawks have done the best in this draft. Getting two players rated as high as they were to fill areas of need will be instrumental for them next season. Depending on what else they do, the Seahawks may be the division rivals the 49ers have to worry about and not the Cards. Or it could be the Cards and Hawks that are battling it out. Time will tell. In any case, the Hawks are nailing this draft so far. GRADE: A+
15. Jason Pierre-Paul | South Florida | Defensive End | Giants - I am not sure what to make of this pick but for some reason or another, it just doesn't feel right. Pierre-Paul is going to have to do a lot to make himself start ready. The Giants already have two extremely talented defensive tackles if they decide to keep them both. With the pick here, it appears that the Giants may be willing to deal one of the current starters at that position at this point. GRADE: B-
16. Derrick Morgan | Georgia Tech | Defensive End | Titans - This was a very good selection for the Titans. If they can land Haynesworth again, their defense may be in business again. I believe that Morgan will be a force at the next level and I don't think that the Titans could have done any better with this pick. GRADE: A+
17. Mike Iupati | Idaho | Offensive Guard | 49ers - I really liked this pick and thought that the 49ers did well here. I think they should have gone a different route with the 13th pick, but this one here was solid for me. Iupati will push Baas for his job and just may take it. There will be a lot of depth at guard now and I believe that Adam Snyder will be moved back inside. Iupati, Baas, Rachal, and Snyder should all push each other and elevate the level of play at this position. GRADE: A
18. Maurkice Pouncey | Florida | Offensive Center | Steelers - The Steelers have not taken a center in the first round in 73 years. It was a pick that illustrated an area of need. The Steelers interior line struggled from time to time last year and they are putting guys in place that are going to make a difference. GRADE: B
19. Sean Weatherspoon | Missouri | Linebacker | Falcons - Most pundits speculated that Weatherspoon would be the second linebacker off the board... and he was. With the acquisition of Dante Robinson a few weeks ago, the Falcons made a very solid pick here with Weatherspoon who had a great season and great Senior Bowl. Weatherspoon is versatile and can line up in a variety of a few of the linebacker positions to present different looks for opposing offenses. GRADE: A
20. Kareem Jackson | Alabama | Cornerback | Texans - This was a bit of a reach. I thought that Jackson could go in the first but I didn't expect it this high. Not with Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, and Patrick Robinson on the board still. Jackson is a big physical corner that will be able to potentially keep up with the better wide outs in that division. GRADE: B
21. Jermaine Gresham | Oklahoma | Tight End | Bengals - I thought real hard about putting Gresham here in my mock but I second guessed myself and ended up being wrong. Carson Palmer will now have more than just Ochocinco to target and will open up options all over the place. If any year was a year for Palmer to shine, it'd be this one. GRADE: B+
22. Demaryius Thomas | Georgia Tech | Wide Reciever | Broncos - This pick was acquired through a trade back. The Broncos really baffled me with their two second round prospect picks in the first round. I can see maybe one reach, but two? McDaniels is either going to have a short or long lived career in Denver. If they flop this year, I suspect he will be fired quite quickly. GRADE: B
23. Bryan Bulaga | Iowa | Offensive Tackle | Packers - The Pack needed offensive line and offensive line they got. Bryan Bulaga in my opinion was an absolute steal at this slot here. I am very surprised that he fell all the way to the 23rd overall pick. Aaron Rodgers I am sure is relieved that the organization is doing things to preserve his shelf life. Great pick and great investment if he pans out. GRADE: A+
24. Dez Bryant | Oklahoma State | Wide Receiver | Cowboys - Missing most of last season and having a bad pro day certainly didn't help Bryant's stock out much as evidence of this pick. But I am sure the Cowboys were ecstatic to land him here. Michael Irvin has already given Bryant permission to wear his #88 and told him to make him proud. Now I don't know if that means he needs to start the cocaine now or later, but if he ends up being anywhere near the player that Irvin was, the Cowboys will be extremely excited, as will their fans. GRADE: A+
25. Tim Tebow | Florida | Quarterback | Broncos - This could have been either the biggest mistake in this years draft or one of the best picks in time. Tebow simply has won and as much as he has said, "I am truly blessed", I now believe that he really is. It will be interesting to say the least to see the competition in preseason between Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow, and Brady Quinn. GRADE: C-
26. Dan Williams | Tennessee | Defensive Tackle | Cardinals - I am not sure how happy Darnell "Steroids" Dockett is, but I can imagine he is pretty happy. Dan Williams side-by-side with Dockett is going to be scary for a bunch of teams this year. The defensive line was just majorly enhanced by this selection. GRADE" B+
27. Devin McCourty | Rutgers | Cornerback | Patriots - I really liked this pick for the Patriots. They needed to overhaul that secondary just a bit, at least at the corner position. The Pats will now be able to keep up with some of the better wide receivers in the AFC. Randy Moss will school McCourty and help him be the best he can be. GRADE: B
28. Jared Odrick | Penn State | Defensive End | Dolphins - Bill Parcell's loves building solid defenses and that's what he is trying to do with this pick. Odrick will be converted from his natural position but definitely has the size and strength to do so. GRADE: B+
29. Kyle Wilson | Boise State | Cornerback | Jets - Questionable pick. The Jets just went out and signed Antonio Cromartie and already had arguably the best cornerback in the NFL in Revis. Wilson does add to the special teams aspect and will be a viable nickel corner, but one has to wonder why they didn't pursue a defensive end or pass rushing outside linebacker. Jerry Hughes and Sergio Kindle were still on the board here. GRADE: B-
30. Jahvid Best | California | Running Back | Lions - This was another unnecessary trade in my opinion. If they would have just waited until today, they could have had best without losing anything. There was not another team in the market for a running back this high... particularly one with the concerns Best has. Kevin Smith and Jahvid Best will boost the Lions running game though and take alot of pressure off of Matt Stafford. GRADE: C
31. Jerry Hughes | TCU | Defensive End | Colts - The Colts hand was somewhat forced here. If they did want to go corner or interior line, there weren't a ton of options left. Still though, I found myself wondering why you draft a player like this with your first round selection when you already have the two best pass rushers in the NFL in Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. Rotating three could keep them all fresh I suppose, but it made me scratch my head a bit. GRADE: B-
32. Patrick Robinson | Florida State | Cornerback | Saints - I have said all along that I think that Patrick Robinson has the most potential out of any of the corners coming in to the NFL this year. Now whether or not he lives up to that will strictly be up to him. I really and truly thought that the Saints would try to replace the loss of Scott Fujita here. He was instrumental in their success last year and it is still a big void that needs to be addressed. So I cannot fully support the pick on a corner for the Saints here but I do expect at some point that they will. GRADE: A-
SUMMARY: There were winners and losers of the first round and some that fell somewhere in between. Rounds two and three should be nothing short of yesterday's excitement. There are still a lot of fascinating players on the board such as Jimmy Clausen and Taylor Mays. Other players that fell out of the first like Everson Griffen, Brian Price, Sergio Kindle, and Carlos Dunlap should be interesting to follow today among others. And the most interesting to us of course will be the 49th and 79th picks if we stay put to select there. Get ready for another fun-filled action packed day.
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it could have been much, much worse
we got two powerful, strong run blockers who are athletic enough that both have been mentioned as potential LT (probably more RT for Iupati) candidates at the next level. Both are upside guys and both are among the best at their position. We have great O-Line coaching so I feel good about it. I guess Bulaga wasn’t the pick because of upside and athleticism…that’s all I can figure because I was sold they’d take him.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I'm excited about the potential of Davis
I liked Singletaries comment about surrounding him with the right people. Davis has incredible potential… now its up to the niners to keep him motivated a draw that potential out of him. I think we’re the right team to do it.
I only take issue with one thing, Drew. “First, they traded up to get a guy who would have been there at the 13th pick”
You really, really don’t know that. The team felt that a couple teams were on the trail of Davis, whom would have went to the 49ers at 13 easily. So if a team like the Packers, who hate him (reportedly) rated highly wanted him, they would have moved up to the very willing spots at 11 and 12 to get a player the 49ers scouted extensively over Bulaga.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I assume you mean had him and not hate him? Just clarifying because it would change the tone of your comment just a little bit.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah.. I haven’t slept yet.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I really feel strongly enough that he would have been there at 13.
Anf even if not, there was no way that both Bulaga and Davis would have been gone.
I respect that opinion, but the team felt that there was a threat of not getting him and they (along with several other teams) didn’t have Bulaga rated very highly. I’m not arguing for Davis’ talent, just on that one little issue.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
They clearly saw something with Bulaga they didn’t like. And seeing how far Bulaga fell, they weren’t alone. If they thought Miami was gonna take him, and they really liked Davis, then this was the right move. A 4th really isn’t that much of a payment if you think you’re getting your starting RT for the next 10 years.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 23, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It wasn’t Miami they feared taking him, it was somebody trading into that spot and taking him.
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by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, ok, Miami’s draft spot taking him, whoever was there. Same difference, really.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 23, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesnt Bulaga have some sort of medical issue as well?
by Rep the Bay on Apr 23, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if T-Rex arms qualify as a medical issue
or do they? We’ll have to ask Vernon what kind of treatment he got for his.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Thyroid issue regulated by prescription medication
and occasional Dr. visits
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I'm betting this is what came between us and him
Coaches aren’t doctors and don’t realize he’ll be fine… and doctors can’t say he’s got a completely clean bill of health and give him a 1st round grade… Why god why.. :(
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
From something I heard yesterday
If guys have a medical condition the team doctor has to give them a grade. I wonder if Bulaga couldnt’ get a 1st round grade because of his condition, (which is ridiculous as its treatable and he can actually play both sides of the line. Really don’t like the Davis pick with Bulaga sitting there at 13 (since he’ll be better anyways)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, however I don't think Bulaga fits the "mauler" type tackle the team wanted.
But, trading up was a bad move. hopefully they trade some of their WR’s or LOLineman for later round picks in the 4th and 5th or pkg a few for another third. we need dbacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY
"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."
Davis wasn't exactly a mauler either
Most of the reports talk about his pass pro and that his weakness (at least for now was his run blocking)….doesn’t exactly sound like a mauler to me
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
DB's
While I think we could use an extra DB or two, but unless you plan on grabbing them in the 2nd or get lucky in the third do you really think there are DB’s in the 5th and beyond that will step in and beat out Payman and Reggie Smith or even Curtis Taylor for the back up DB spots?
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Sing and Baalke had Davis and Iupati ranked very high on their board. Bulaga apparently wasn't
It would be last year and ranking Oher as a top 10 or so pick. He turned out to be that good. From what they have said, They got exactly who they targeted.
Given this.. I would say they had an “A” rating. They got two players who were ranked high on their boards and they also filled two of the highest team needs.
Also, It appears that both Solari and Brown felt highly about Davis.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Apr 23, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, the Packers have really had a lot of fortune with players falling to them in the draft lately. Obviously, it’s too early to crown Bulaga a star, but that pick could not have been easier for them to make once he fell in their laps.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
Some say Miami
had there eyes on Davis so the Niners made there move. I’ll admit im kinda up in the air about it but I believe we made some quality picks in the first round. The person who will benefit the most I think is Gore. He will have some holes to burst through to that second level quickly
Beat Em To The Punch - Bill Walsh
I can’t see how or why they would have gone there with Jake Long and Vernon Carey already as solid starters at the LT and RT positions. You draft in the first round for starters not back ups.
+1
I think it was more of a concern that maybe a team like Green Bay would package picks and move up seeing that Davis was still available. Plus with Miami’s willingness to deal I don’t see it being far fetched that other teams wanted to move up. Plus if your guy is sitting there and you really want him, then I say trade up and get him, fourth rounder be damned.
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
That is exactly what Walsh did in the 80's. He got who he wanted.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
It wasn’t Miami. It was other teams moving up.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Spiller
You gave the Bills a B for Spiller. I see the point of adding another running back with Lynch currently in place, but didn’t they have more significant concerns that needed to be filled?
I think the Spiller pick...
…should be a B because with Spiller it’s a foregone conclusion that he is going to be the factor that wins you a couple games a season.
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by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
New coach and New GM wanted to make a splash maybe? He’d complement Jackson decently well, but I still don’t know who they’re going to be running behind
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, maybe it should have been a B-, but Spiller actually does fill one big glaring need for them in special teams as well. And the talent is undeniable… so you can’t really go wrong. I do agree that they should have gone with either QB or OL, but Spiller will open it up on offense and special teams.
Disagree on special teams
They still have McKelvin and McGhee who are both very good at PK/KR so i don’t see special teams as that big of a need
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
McKelvin was hurt all year long so I don't know where you're getting that.
And McGee is not all that.
They don't use McGee often since he's their starting DB
But he is really good at returns….he’s had 5 kick offs returned for TD’s
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
So? I don’t see how that’s a point? They didn’t get him for special teams, even if they say they did, they didn’t. They won’t use him there.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don’t think they had a special teams need at all.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Point being is they actually have a bunch of different options, unlike the niners did before getting Ginn
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
They weren’t that good though. I wouldnt even say average. Fred Jackson ranked 32nd in the league. And for us, Josh Morgan was pretty solid at returns… kicks anyway.
I think Parrish won a game last year on a return
Cant remember……….
by sundaysfinest on Apr 23, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
32 is a bit disingenuous
when you consider 12 of the guys ranked ahead of him all had single digit return attempts
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Parrish, McKelvin, McGhee. They didn’t take Spiller because of added special teams value and I’d be very surprised if they played him on special teams because he’s going to start for them at RB. They took Spiller because they wanted an offensive playmaker, and nothing more. Special Teams value really doesn’t factor in at pick nine.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Be prepared to be surprised. I can gaurantee he will play special teams. He had a bunch of ST scores. It would be completely dumb not to use him there.
I feel bad for Spiller. He’s going to get beat up because Buffalo has no one else besides another RB to worry about on that offense.
They have Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson. They will probably get some more offensive line early on.. maybe 2nd and 3rd and be a three-headed monster.
They'll trade Lynch
He was already on the block anyway.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about that
Drafting Spiller takes Lynch’s value down even more now.
The Bills are really dumb.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
They are indeed
I’m pretty positive they’ll trade him though. They almost have too, he’s their third best back. He’s just going to waste away on the bench.
I’d guess he gets traded for a 4th or something.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t see it. I think they have a solid special teams unit, even if they use him you don’t use that as a reason to grade their pick higher because it wasn’t like that meant much to the state of their team currently. I don’t know, I don’t see it.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely, I’m not trying to take issue just to take issue. Debate and what not. Agree to disagree.
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by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Like OT, QB, and defensive line, the Bills were at the bottom of the league against the rush
Beat Em To The Punch - Bill Walsh
Love our 1st round.
We solidified our awful O-Line with two athletic maulers who are going to open some huge holes for Gore and provide Alex more then 2 seconds to throw. And if it cost a 4th round pick to get absolutely get Davis, so be it.
What where we going to get with a 4th anyways? There certainly wasn’t going to be a starter coming from that pick. Methinks that people are really overvaluing a 4th round pick for the sake of trying to find something to complain about.
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A 4th?
Maybe a Jordan Shipley, TJ Ward… Reshad Jones…Taylor Price, Lafell… there are going to be a ton of options in the 4th round in a deep draft like this. I dont think think the trade-up was necessary is all. It’s just my opinion though.
Only interested in Reshad Jones from that list but I see what you mean. I’d like to have that fourth but at that point it’d be depth and we’re a team that wants to win now.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I could go on and on... I just basically listed a few
But I think you will see that a lot of talent will still be there in the 2nd. Enough to not warrant moving up two whole spots
I guess the Pats are gonna load up with talent then
That sucks, I hate the Pats!
by sundaysfinest on Apr 23, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t feel bad about it. The team truly felt that if they didn’t move up they wouldn’t get their player. This team is better off with a player they want.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Then you Ninjames
Are trippin if you don’t want Lafell in the 4th round. I think Lafell is a top 3 receiver in the draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Think u got
a good point with Shipley and LaFell…very dependable targets
Beat Em To The Punch - Bill Walsh
would they even fit on the roster?
We have 5 wrs on the roster now, and thats not counting Ziegler. I like these guys as well, and its still plausible that we get em by trading away Jones or Hill and recouping a 4th or 5th rd pick
by Rep the Bay on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't see how Hill or Jones even fetch a 5th
When that’s all guys like Santonio Holmes and Ginn were traded for. Here’s to hoping though.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think it was necessary as well, but again if they really wanted him, i’d rather them trade up and grab him than miss out and take Iupati at 13 (leaving 17 up in the air)
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
After reading the 49ers reason for trading, I'm happy with it.
Their were only 3 OL guys they really liked, Williams, Davis, and Iupati. Even if it was only a small chance that someone would jump them, their still was a chance. This is who they wanted so they made 100% sure they got him. What surprised me was when I read that they first talked to the Jags but the Jags were unwilling to trade. Did they Jags really think Alualu wouldn’t be there at 13? Overall, I’m happy with the first round
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Great Draft.
I can’t help but look back at previous drafts when a team has two first round picks and use them both on offensive linemen (i.e. Jets two or three years ago) and see the success they have in the following years . I believe that a great philosophy when building character, a business, or a sports team is to take your weakest asset and turn it into your strongest, which is exactly what the niners did in this draft. Personally I feel like Davis would’ve been available at 13 but it would’ve been an obvious gamble, and one which the FO did not feel comfortable making so I applaud them for being aggressive. Also when we drafted Iupati it really made the Davis pick that much better.
Also, I think this is a huge benefit for our QB of the future, whether it ends up being Smith, Carr, or Clausen, I feel comfortable that this team now has the right environment to groom a franchise quarterback.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.
Just on Washington's selection of Williams over Okung ...
… Singletary said he would have taken Williams – he said that was the only OT he’d have selected apart from Davis. He never mentioned Okung. Not that I know anything, just saying what I read Coach Sing said.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
Plus i agree with the talking heads on ESPN and NFL Network that Williams is a better fit for the type of O-Line Shanahan likes to run
by HaloFanInDC on Apr 23, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that's true ...
… I can never decide if that was a laudable bit of honesty on his part to admit that, or a really stupid mistake.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Singletary probably has an eye for character though
And the Willis thing… I’m sure there were other teams from that draft who would trade whoever they took for Willis at this point. Even though it sounds egregious that he missed Willis’s talent, it’s not something that, by itself, means that Singletary can’t see talent level. It’s just one player he missed. After all, Scotty McC had hits and missess. One player succeeding or failing isn’t a useful sample size.
"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary
It could also be that he has not yet entered that frame of mind of being a coach looking from the outside in. He may still think of things in terms of, “if I was on the field, who would I want with me… or who would’ve been good at blocking me”. As soon as he can seperate the logic between the two, is when he may be better at eveluating talent. I’m not saying he will completely miss, but I am saying that he may look at things differently.
But the one good thing that Sing has going for him, is that before Bill Walsh passed away, he picked his brain a lot when he was a LB’s coach for the Ravens. So if he can think like that more and more, he will only get better at it.
Walsh said, “If you like a guy A LOT, then you get him”.
Sing liked Davis A LOT, so we will see what happens.
Davis
Yea, it’s clear Anthony Davis was a guy he wanted. While Singletary’s reign won’t be judged by this one pick, it will certainly be intriguing to look back at this.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it will.
I have a feeling he will struggle alot like Rachal did his first year. Hopefully Davis is a quicker study. That’s what I’m hoping for. I am scared for him to have his first game in Seattle where he wont be able to hear anything.
starting
It wouldn’t be shocking if Davis was not starting early on. Singletary said he wanted him starting this season, but as I recall he didn’t necessarily mean game 1.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
In all honesty, he can’t play worse than Snyder did. Even sticking a serious development project in at RT isn’t taking a step back.
It's hard to be too much worse than Snyder
He was beyond awful. Davis would have to be a DHB type bust to be worse than Snyder I think.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
How much should Singletary be held responsible?
Where is the Niners damn GM?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Baalke is basically the GM (minus the official title). But Singletary is certainly putting his stamp on this.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
But where’s the GM? If it’s Baalke give him the title. If it’s Singletary then give him the title. This non-committal nonsense is a little silly, makes to tough to hold anyone accountable.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Title or not,
Baalke is the acting GM. An official title isn’t that important.
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Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Apr 23, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Drew is right
We’ll be fuming when Bulaga is in the pro bowl and Davis quits from the NFL at 22
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I've had my doubts about Davis
I think it’s big help that he is Singletary’s pet project. The biggest issue I saw with Davis was him giving up on himself, I don’t think Singletary will let that happen.
I think Davis is going to be silencing a lot of critics around here…
If anything, I think we’re going to be more frustrated with Iupati early on, because he’s going to draw a lot of holding penalties and allow a fair amount of pressure until he gets his technique corrected.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens when Bulaga gets moved to guard
(which is what a lot of people are thinking) and Davis turns into a beast?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis has a lot more talent that Bulaga
He’s not with Bulaga on the technique, but he’s got a chance to be much, much better. Bulaga will not be a great player in the NFL, but he’s pretty likely to be solid.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to disagree with your Washington and Houston grades
Trent Williams in Washington makes sense. He’s an athletic tackle and Shanahan’s running scheme needs those kinds of guys. It’s a solid B at worst.
Jackson fits in the Houston scheme better than other CBs. And depending where you look….he was 2 or 3 on draft boards.
As much as I don’t like admitting it….the Cards knocked an A+ out as did Seattle. Both teams had value and need met.
Agree on the Niners grades. Hard to argue it.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I can't find the Baalke quote
but I’ve seen a couple of posters quote Baalke on saying something like, our next pick will start next year, even if it means trading up. (Did anyone hear this too?)
I really believe we’re getting a S with our next pick. Hopefully it’s Robert Johnson but more than likely it’ll be Morgan Burnett, Taylor Mays, or Nate Allen.
—
McShay was actually RIGHT.. I’m surprised. Jimmy Clausen really did fall out of the 1st round. I know in his last mock he has him going to the Vikings in the 1st round, but it’s only because he forced it. Good for him, and he stole my Mathews to Gore comparison, wasn’t entirely happy with that.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Vladimir Ducasse 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 6.Mike Kafka 6.Joshua Moore 7.Alex Daniels
He isn't confident in a position
Lewis at SS is a huge question mark coming into next year. Michael Lewis not even be active come start of the season.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Vladimir Ducasse 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 6.Mike Kafka 6.Joshua Moore 7.Alex Daniels
I think he said our next pick will be a starter. Im not sure if he said he will start this year, because no one is just handed a job. I think they are going to try to draft someone that will eventually start.
So you've read this quote somewhere too
have to find this quote to see if it was either this year or future.
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Vladimir Ducasse 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 6.Mike Kafka 6.Joshua Moore 7.Alex Daniels
“We’re looking to get a starter out of this next pick and we’re confident that on our board there’s a couple players that we have targeted. If we need to move up to get them, we’ll move up to get them.”
Ahh okay thanks
seems to be eventual as you said
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Vladimir Ducasse 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 6.Mike Kafka 6.Joshua Moore 7.Alex Daniels
It's definitely eventual
Sing wouldn’t even say Davis and Iupati would be starters right away, there’s no way they’d say that about a second round pick.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I read the articles I believe it was SFGate, no sure, every early this morning.
Interviews with Sing and Ballke.They basically said the same thing. They wanted theses players for a week. They’re willing to move just in case another team was considering trading up for Davis. There was a Davis/Lupati interviews as well and you had seen it , maybe you might consider both this kids, players.
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 23, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Robert Johnson???
Seriously? I’ve never seen anyoen talk about taking him close to Day 2, let alone in the 2nd round.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
First round:
My feeling on the first round is that after what Sing has done with Vernon Davis I have to trust not only his feelings about a player but his ability to develop a player. By all accounts ( maybe not all but most ) VD was a complete bust, and now he is one of the top TE’s in the league. I feel that the Niners moved up to get the guy that Sing wanted and I know he wanted him for a reason, some other teams probably wanted him as well and that is what warranted moving up to get him. I give the Niners an A for the first round, until Sing proves me wrong I am going to trust him and his judgement.
I'm a better person now.
by jbowl on Apr 23, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Davis
I’d argue he was more inconsistent and a bit of a head case, but not a complete bust. He had some solid numbers prior to Singletary. Not worthy of a high draft choice, but he wasn’t awful. Singletary helped bring the mental part to it which pushed Davis over the top (in my opinion).
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just trying to express my feeling that Coach ( for now ) has my confidence in developing players that previously seemed to be trouble. I understand that VD may not have been a complete bust but having, as Drew pointed out Jimmy Raye calling his number, Sing coaching him seemed to help him out as a player quite a bit.
I'm a better person now.
by jbowl on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel so left out of this draw ...
… I get totally why they’ve changed it, I really do. I get why you’d want it in primetime in the US rather than daytime US. Primetime US is about a billion times more important as a market than Europe – I don’t dispute that one bit. And I’m so, so lucky to have the Niners delivered to my backyard this autumn. Even so, I just feel like I’m out of it – I can enjoy the build-up with you guys, but as someone who has a demanding job and then even at the weekends, has a family with young kids (who will be bouncing on the bed at 6am) I can’t watch it live.
It feels like having the dinner date without the, um, post dinner date, if you catch my drift.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
Draw?
Draft? Sorry, lapsed into European football for a moment. It won’t happen again, apologies.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It better not!
But yea, the new layout is a bit weird. Gonna take some getting used to. It’s a shame for folks in Europe.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG ... I didn't even realise ...
… I saw Denver took him, and yet weirdly it didn’t register in my dumb brain that Tebow might therefore play at Wembley. Ha! Yes, that’ll be interesting. I can’t tell you how excited I am about the Niners at Wembley. Anyone coming over?
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn that ash ...
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
trying
Depends on what I can work out, but I really want to go over.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You hosting the after party?
I haven’t committed to it yet but all the Niner fans coming from overseas are gonna need somewhere to party after we buck those Broncos. Trying to get my friend to go since he roots for the enemy. After the Tebow pick though I think he has given up.
shop tebow’s mug onto a dalek
Garlic fries 08
by operation carrot on Apr 23, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
WOAH TAKE YOUR WEIRD BRITISH WORDS AND GET THEM OUT OF HERE MATE
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
STOP SHOUTING ...
You’re giving a European brother a headache, Ninnington Jimbo.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
by LondonNiner on Apr 23, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That's ok, most of us on the West Coast
Have to time shift it anyway due to work, and today starting at 3pm PST is even worse. It’s definitely a bummer not to make a day of it.
Buyer's remorse
Before the draft there is a sense that one can have all the players, because no team has picked them yet. Then you are left with the only two players you got. It is hard not to feel cheated. But the team showed discipline to fill their primary need, and I respect that, even if the trade to move up was probably not necessary. After all the criticism last year about not addressing the O line, we don’t have to go through that again!
"Chock full" not "chalked full"
:)
"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary
Im confused
about the Jags comments, where you say they tried to trade down. Baalke said he called the Jags and offered them the same deal he offered the Broncos and the Jags said they were not up for trading the pick because they had a guy targeted.
hmm..interesting. i cant believe they wouldnt take a free 4th rounder. No one was taking Alualu or trading up to take him before 13, plus they would of saved some money on his bonus/salary
They could have traded up to the top of the second with their 3rd and 5th or something and kept their first. It’s spending less. I just don’t get why they went there one bit. That will go down as the biggest reach of this draft.
He's that awesome
He called the Robert Ayers pick last year too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure he has connections
Lets see if he calls any more shocking picks today.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
good possibility. I’ll be watching with my buddy whos a Ram fanatic and he seems to think Golden Tate or Benn
They have to at somepoint early on get Bradford some weapons or he's going to be labeled a bust fast
Bradford and Clausen?
Would be interesting. You’d have a hell of a QB competition
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I just thought...
Its possible the Rams could have gotten Suh AND Clausen lol
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I just read they actually tried to move down to 7
and take Clausen there. LOL Shoulda got Suh guys… SORRY :D
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Mind blowing
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Dual Shotgun Formation
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Clausen takes the snap from under center and hands it to Bradford.
Bradford throws TD pass to D. Avery?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
LMAO
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It sounds very likely that they trade down
That’d be a smart move for them IMO.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Taylor Mays!!!
With how Sing gets the most out of players is just amazing, he gives them confidence and all the players on our team will do anything for Sing. If we get Mays, I think he will do anything we ask and become a great safety. IMO if not then Nate Allen.. ha
Does anyone know if Baas signed his tender? Maybe we can trade him. If we still get Pitts we could have a stout Oline. Let Rachal and Pitts battle for RG.
I thought so. He may be the most appealing trade bait for us to use to get some picks back. The we could just throw Snyder back over there to back up Iupati.
Yeah but
Rachal is probably better than any vet the Niners could sign at this point and he’s certainly got a lot more potential. I don’t see why some people are so quick to discard a high second round pick, Rachal was fairly good in the 2nd half of last year. I’d be shocked if he wasn’t a starter in Week 1, barring injury.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I made this point last night and I’ll make it again— You have no way of knowing whether Davis really would’ve been there at 13. Maybe, maybe not. Miami was clearly looking to deal out of 12 and Denver out of 11. If we don’t make that trade, I really think it’s possible that Dallas or Green Bay get aggressive and trade up to nab Davis ahead of us.
As for Bulaga, I liked him too. But it’s important to recognize that he went 23rd. Obviously there were a lot of teams that had doubts about him, so I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that he was as good or better than Davis at all.
Finally, a lot of people would look at a prospect’s youth and say that’s good— there’s more room for physical growth and mental/emotional maturity. I don’t really understand how you get the opposite out of it. “Dammit he’s too YOUNG.” If you don’t want young players, trade away your draft picks for vets. I’m excited we got a guy who is extremely talented right now with the potential to get even better.
My grades would look something like this:
Davis: A-. Giving up the 4th rounder hurts, but I like the aggressive move to get maybe the most talented tackle in the draft.
Iupati: B+. Raw and needs a lot of work, and may not have been the best value pick at 17 (Dez Bryant would’ve been, IMO). But there’s no doubt the Niners saw a need and addressed it.
Overall GPA: 3.5. Add some good players today and I think it’ll be a very good draft.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions
the 49ers seem to be planning on drafting for need/position with our remaining picks —
"Certainly, before it’s all said and done, there are just a couple of key positions that we have pegged that we need to go after" – Sing
So what positionis will they be? we have 5 picks left
SS, CB, ILB, RB, NT?
How much did the Niners want these two guys ? Well for once we actually know for sure that the Niners got their guys. Every team says they got their guys but we KNOW the Niners really did,since they traded up to get Davis (GB or Dallas was talking trade with Miami,so they needed to trade up or lose THEIR guy).And then at 17 they got a guy they told us they would have drafted at 13 if Davis had been gone (Iupati) !
Baalke said over a week ago they set their sights on Davis and Iupati,and they were lucky enough and good enough to make it happen just exactly as they hoped !!!
That is a rare thing in the NFL draft ! Every team says they did it but this time we can actually believe it !
Tight End
I noticed that the team brought in a few TE’s during the pre-draft visits (Graves, Dixon, and Dray)….what up with that? Does anyone see the team taking a TE in this draft? Seems like a position without a need.
tight ends
Maybe 7th round, but I doubt much earlier than that. Someone to battle for a spot as a blocking specialist.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Niners need their statisfy their Bajema fix
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
we only had two on the roster last year
most teams have three. We’ll probably take another run at a blocking type late in the draft or from among undrafted FAs. A guy I like for that role is Michael Hoomanawanui out of Illinois.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I honestly think
that’s what they’re going to do. The whole “we are getting a starter with our next pick and we will move up to get him” thing made me think that Baalke was kind of talking about Mays.
They haven't bluffed so far though
Remember rlott found a quote where Baalke said he was going to get the players he was targeting no matter what?
He did exactly that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 23, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yet you hate the fact we traded a 4th to move up to get Davis???
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Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Apr 23, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
picks
Drew thinks Davis would have been there 2 picks later, whereas in this instance, Mays won’t be there at 49 and a 6th is much further down than a 4th.
by David Fucillo on Apr 23, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Mays could be there at 49
No one thought Clausen would fall to the 2nd round, so I think it’s premature to say Mays can’t go 16 more picks without getting drafted.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
the trusty trade value chart says the sixth round pick would only bump us up maybe two spots in the second round. If you want Mays it’s gonna cost more than that.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a guideline... dont take it so literally.
Some of the moves last night did not equate to the “chart”
They were close though
I say our second this year and 3rd next year will put us up there. The value is just right
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't want Mays in the 1st
But as a late 30’s semi-project ZOMG!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh
I’d just stay at 49 and hope a talented player falls there (someone will). I don’t like trading future picks.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Something like that could be brewing right now. They were saying on NFLN that the Rams are entertaining offers for the first pick today.
Just so everyone knows
If you really want to get up to the top of the second it’s going to cost a third round pick, minimum. And that’s IF we decide against dipping into next years picks.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If you are looking at value charts, those a re used for GM’s as a guideline… they are not set in stone. Not to mention, we are only 13 slots behind them. I would be totally surprised is a team in the top half of the second gave up their 2nd AND 3rd.
These second round picks are picks teams have been stockpiling for months. The trade value chart ISN’T set in stone, you’re right, but if anything that just makes the suggestion that we could move up 15 spots with only a 6th rounder even more ridiculous. Teams have been going crazy to get their hands on these second round picks for months— you’re not going to move that far up in this round in this year’s draft if you don’t give up something significant.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
How so? That’s a valuable pick and the Rams are going to have multiple suitors.
The 49 overall pick is worth 410 points. The 33rd is worth 580. That’s nearly a 200 point differential, right around the value of our 3rd round choice. Our sixth rounder is worth roughly 20 points.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well we may not be able to outbid someone, so you have a valid point in that regard. But my point is that the chart is not the be all end all. Mays will probably last a few spots in anyhow.
It’s not the be all end all, but teams do use it (or a slightly modified version of it) as a guideline. You can’t just discount it altogether.
Take the trade last night. On the chart, it costs 100 points to move up from 13 to 11. Shockingly the pick we gave up was worth 68. That’s not a total coincidence that those two numbers are roughly similar.
Now, obviously supply and demand are the ultimate dictators of what a pick is worth. But this year, that’s even more not in our favor. Everyone wants these second round picks, and we don’t have as much to give up as some other teams.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
2nd and next years 3rd
Then take Mays. Maybe play around with the remaining picks and Hill or Jones to try to get a guy at the end of the 2nd. Then put the old feet up, crack a beer and bide your time till the season.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Also think about it from the other team’s perspective. If the Niners dropped back more than a couple of slots to pick up a mid 6th round pick, wouldn’t you be screaming at your TV? We’re not the only ones who want to find some starters today.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
but I don’t think we can bank on other team’s being stupid. Fair value to trade up that far in the second would be a 3rd rounder, IMO. Better to sit back and wait, and if a guy we like gets close enough use a late round pick to jump up just a couple of spots and snag him.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Not banking on it… just saying offer it up and you never know. I just wouldn’t spend what you are suggesting. Maybe if we still had our 4th & 5th, but not now.
and not opposed to the latter part of your comment either. There is still Burnett and Allen to consider too. I just think Mays would be worth it at 35+ to move up if we can negotiate a deal with a 6th. Just keep offering until A) he’s either gone, or B) someone bites.
Sure, we can make an offer. I think they’d be laughing on the other end, but what the hell. Basically my point is I don’t think we can afford to move up that far without gutting what’s left of our draft, and I’d rather not do that.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No reason to do so.
There are plently of good players left in the 2nd/3th round. It’s who they pick that makes the differences. Defense is on the menu for today. I’m hungry for some DBs.
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rams have been offered future first rounders for the pick (At least that's what they said on NFLN)
I’d say almost for sure you’d have to part with the 3rd rounder and probably more.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I am absolutely with you
and our 3rd next year if we have to
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
…And it’s obvious that Bulaga was not even in the same universe with Davis and Iupati on the Niners draft board,and it seems the rest of the NFL GM’s agreed with Baalke and Sing
Short arms…we learned our lesson when we drafted a QB with small hands ,lol
not just short arms...
He’s also from an Iowa program that can mask deficiencies in OL talent because they coach ‘em up so well. Also, despite the fact that he looks like a neanderthal, he’s not nearly as physical as Davis at the point of attack. Davis and Iupati are both road graders. Sing may want a balanced offense, but he also wants the foundation of that to be an unstoppable running game.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You're kidding right?
Bulaga is more physical than Davis in run blocking. Bulaga has a mean streak that meek Davis is utterly lacking.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Not kidding at all and the game film I’ve seen backs that up. Davis can get lazy sometimes, but when he’s motivated that is a big mean dude. Bulaga doesn’t fire off the ball nearly as well, nor is he capable of generating as much push in the run game.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
he also has much more awareness
and is better at recognizing his assignment. Then in addition he’s more agile and better at making the adjustment and picking up a second guy. Sing went with Davis for reasons purely physical and I understand them but Bulaga is a much better FOOTBALL PLAYER.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
time will tell on that one my friend...
He’s more polished at this stage, I’ll grant you that. But those Big 10 tackles don’t always turn out like Joe Thomas. Davis has the physical gifts to perhaps be the best tackle in this draft, period. Bulaga might not even be able to stay at tackle at the NFL level.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis' footwork is sloppy
footwork is a key element in having success as a lineman. I am not suggesting he will be horrible. But as of now, you cannot really say he is physically gifted because it’s simply untrue. He is very rough around the edges… but the good news is, is he has plenty of time in front of him even if he is not successful at first. I think he will start his career similar to Chilo Rachal did… but that is a good thing if you are looking at things from a long-term perspective.
it's not true that he's physically gifted?
That’s ridiculous. Footwork is a technique issue, not a talent issue. He needs some coaching, no doubt. But Davis is strong, quick, and plays with a mean streak when motivated. If Sing isn’t worried about his character/work ethic, then he was completely justified in drafting him when he did because he has all the tools to be an absolute stud.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If he is stiff, that cannot be taught. It’s a physical thing that cannot be fixed. There are things he can do to account for that, but it’s easier said than done.
Davis is 20, his mean streak nuts might not have dropped yet
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping we took Wilson with the 17th
Just saw this article. Both Anthony Davis and Kyle Wilson went to the same high school. Would of been a reuniting of sorts
Samoans are shy until
you push their Button, then watch out. You cann’t hurt them when they want your beating heart.
by LASVEGASNINER on Apr 23, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah tongans are pretty much like that too. Had a friend at College of San Mateo who played offensive line. Very nice guy, but you wouldn’t want to get him mad!
Singletary will have to insult his mom on the sidelines
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Apr 23, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody has mentioned:
Myron Rolle. I’m intrigued by him but think he’ll be gone in the 4th round. What if we don’t grab a safty in the 2nd, would he be a reach in the 3rd? Dude is obviously wicked smart and his a lot of athletic ability as well.
Why buy the cow, when you get the sex for free?
by return2greatness on Apr 23, 2010 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
He should be good at some point
But I think third is a reach. He’s kind of a question mark at this point because he hadn’t been in an actual game situation for a whole season. But he did have decent numbers before that. He was never worse than fourth in team tackles at FSU. I think whoever ends up with him will be presuming that his mental ability will get him over for now and the physical skills will follow. I don’t think it’s us though. It’s likely going be a team that’s pretty secure in that area.
I think he’d be a reach in the third. Good value if he makes it to the 5th, IMO (but of course we don’t have a pick there)
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I'll say this...
the front office was listening when we asked that the o-line be bolstered. Moving up to get Davis @ 11 though…I don’t know. I thought he’d be there @ 13 anyway, and even if another team moved up to get him ahead of us, Bulaga would still have been available. Whatever though…@ least now we’ve got a line that should be able to break holes for our running backs.
I love comments like this
First, they traded up to get a guy who would have been there at the 13th pick (mistake number one).
Because they have no basis in reality and are passed off as fact. Bravo!
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
DREW
I am really upset with your grades in regards to Brian Bulaga and Anthony Davis, I would have revearsed that!!
I believe Davis is a much better pro prospect than Brian Bulaga and even Trent Williams for that matter. If Ýou want to look at bust potential don’t look any further than those two players. In reality I believe that both Rodger Saffold and Bruce Campbell will be better tackles in the NFL than Bulaga
"Insanity is doing something over and over again expecting a different result"
The mirror lies to the face of those who cannot handle the truth
by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 23, 2010 2:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The Tim Tebow pick
I’m surprised no one has pointed this out yet:
Tebow was clearly drafted to replace Peyton Hillis as the the starting FB
Duh.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Draft Thread Now Up
First draft open thread of the day is now up.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/4/23/1438603/nfl-draft-2010-day-2-thread-1
B.s. grade
What a crock grade for the 11th pick.
Anthony Davis is Tim Tebow. Ouch. Both with C-.
Be careful with me. I'm sensitive and I'd like to stay that way.
Yeah
I don’t get that at all. Maybe you don’t like the trade up, but Davis isn’t a reach there. I don’t see how that’s a C-, it’s certainly better than the Tebow pick.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with LondonNiner on this one
Following the draft from the UK feels a bit like turning up at an orgy just as everyone’s putting their clothes back on.
For reasons that are too dull to go into I decided not to set the alarm for 2:30am to watch the 9ers picks live. Instead I recorded the draft and watched the 9ers picks before going to work this morning.
I thought the two picks were great. We got what we needed most and the front office demonstrated the faith they have in Singletary. These were the picks that the coach wanted and I’m stoked (to use an American word) about them. Wish the season was starting on Sunday.
If it's possible
I’d like to trade back with the 2nd round pick and get 2 3rd rounders (or a 3rd rounder and a 2nd in 2011). That would allow the Niners to address quite a few spots, and it looks like some very talented players (who we thought would go in the 2nd round) will still be around then.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions
Wait a min!!
Wait a min Drew K. You picked A.Davis to go in the 11th to Denver. So It’s a good pick for Denver in the 11th spot but not good for us? A team in need of OL help like there is no tommrow.
Granted giving up a 4th wasn’t what I had in mind. But we don’t have a clue if there was somebody else tryin to move up to grab A.Davis. It it isn’t like we over paid to move up. We gave fair market value.
P.s. I give both of our picks an A
Watch us pick up a db tonite
I think there is a difference between mocking where the player will get picked and actually liking the player. Drew’s been consistent, he did not like Anthony Davis. I don’t see why he should back down now that the 49ers have picked him.

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