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2010 NFL Draft: Pete Carroll responds to Taylor Mays criticism

Earlier this afternoon, newly minted 49ers safety Taylor Mays leveled some fairly serious criticism at his former college coach, Pete Carroll:

On his feelings about his former coach Pete Carroll taking a safety in the first round that wasn't him:

"It was just interesting. I definitely thought from the relationship that we had, the things that he had told me about what I needed to be aware of for the draft process, the things that I needed to do, I felt he told me the complete opposite of the actions that he took, which was definitely alarming. Some things that he told me I needed to do as a football player, versus the actions that he took and who he took as a safety. I understand it's a business, but with it being a business, you just need to be honest and that's all I was asking for."

It was only a matter of time before Pete Carroll responded. And in a move that didn't surprise me, he took the high road. It's not to say Mays was wrong to make the comments, but just good that Carroll seemed to understand Mays' frustrations. Due to the length I've posted it after the jump.

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Q: On Mays' comments:

"Well, first off, I love Taylor. I love the player that he is, and we were thinking that we would have a terrific chance to get him somewhere. When our safety situation came up with Earl, we didn't think Earl was going to get to us. We jumped at that opportunity there.

"I'd like to pick all my guys, but it just didn't work out, and unfortunately for Taylor, it was a hard day for him. His expectations were very, very high, and mine, too. So I feel for him. But I know what he's going to be like. He's going to be ferocious about going about this opportunity with San Francisco. Unfortunately, he's in the division so we're going to be battling against him and all that. This is a remarkably competitive guy, and prideful, and I'm sure he's got a chip on his shoulder, and it's going to serve him well. It's not going to help us in the division. He's a terrific player. He's an extraordinary, and I felt bad for him, that it didn't happen quicker in the first round. Certainly, we were ready and would have loved to have had him. Just by the way it fell, we were very excited about Earl. We thought Earl would go 7, 8, 9, right in there."

Q: Would you have considered him in the second round if he were available?

"Absolutely. Absolutely. If that would have happened, absolutely, we would have."

Q: Have you reached out to him?

"One of our other coaches got a chance, but I haven't talked to him. He might want to wait a couple of days before he talks to me. I love him. I love him to death, and I know how competitive he is, and I don't blame him for being the way it is. I would probably be surprised if it was anything other than that."

I say I'm not surprised about this because Pete Carroll has always come off as a fairly nice guy that was not out to make enemies. Maybe he was kind of scuzzy in pretending not to know about the Reggie Bush and other team scandals, but that doesn't make him a bad person.

Now, I don't think this will remove the chip from Taylor Mays' shoulder. And I think that chip could help him become a great player in this league. Some of the best players of all time were driven in part because they felt slighter or disrespected at some point.

Anyways, I thought this was a story worth following up on, particularly given the fact that the two parties are now in the same division.

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I like that Mays has the chip.

Prove to him he took the wrong safety, Mays. Prove to him.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre... contemplating a crime.

by James Brady on Apr 23, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

word

I think Sing also likes that he has the chip on his shoulder from the comments about he used the slight of falling in the draft as tacklin fuel

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Apr 23, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

holy crap that is awesome

"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Apr 23, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

one not as good

DREAM DRAFT:
1. Trade #13 and #17 to Browns for #7, 2nd rounder, and 4th rounders
2. Take Eric Berry #7
3. Rodger Saffold in Round 2
4. Dexter McCluster in Round 2
5. BPA!

by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 24, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

this is fun!

DREAM DRAFT:
1. Trade #13 and #17 to Browns for #7, 2nd rounder, and 4th rounders
2. Take Eric Berry #7
3. Rodger Saffold in Round 2
4. Dexter McCluster in Round 2
5. BPA!

by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 24, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol no that one's pretty good too

"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Apr 24, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha that was great

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great pick!

A lot like when we drafted Vernon Davis. Mays has some things to learn but is such a psysical beast that you can’t pass on him.

"Bar None!" - William Floyd

by maveric_87 on Apr 24, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling that Taylor Mays is going hunting on the first day of the season.

by manraj7 on Apr 23, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Some of the best players of all time were driven in part because they felt slighter or disrespected at some point.

Mike Singeltary
Barry Sanders
Steve Smith
MJD
DeAngelo Williams
etc, etc…

by Drew Kerr on Apr 23, 2010 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe Montana
Tom Brady

by Drew Kerr on Apr 23, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It says a lot when your own coach passes on you for another guy at your position.

I have a feeling the college coaches of most of the guys in your list would have handled the opportunity diffrently.

by cabz on Apr 23, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it means anything other than Carroll is stupid and will be sorry. He was bad as an NFL coach before, and I believe he will be once again.. 3 and out.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 23, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Gore run’s Earl Thomas over for that first time and Thomas doesn’t manage to tackle him… that’s when we will know that Carroll is a moron.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 23, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pete Carroll - a fairly nice guy?!

Like when he ripped Sanchez for leaving early for the NFL Draft because he was looking out for himself? That’s but one example… the guy has shown himself to be classless over-and-over again.

by cabz on Apr 23, 2010 11:45 PM PDT reply actions  

whoo

DREAM DRAFT:
1. Trade #13 and #17 to Browns for #7, 2nd rounder, and 4th rounders
2. Take Eric Berry #7
3. Rodger Saffold in Round 2
4. Dexter McCluster in Round 2
5. BPA!

by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 23, 2010 11:48 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

lmao

"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Apr 23, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

yay for MS Paint!

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Apr 23, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey the new MS paint rules… it does the lasso thing so you can free-form your selection so this thing only took me about a minute to do

DREAM DRAFT:
1. Trade #13 and #17 to Browns for #7, 2nd rounder, and 4th rounders
2. Take Eric Berry #7
3. Rodger Saffold in Round 2
4. Dexter McCluster in Round 2
5. BPA!

by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 23, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

too bad Mays lost a hand in the course of his finishing move…

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Apr 23, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah his hand is down his neck

DREAM DRAFT:
1. Trade #13 and #17 to Browns for #7, 2nd rounder, and 4th rounders
2. Take Eric Berry #7
3. Rodger Saffold in Round 2
4. Dexter McCluster in Round 2
5. BPA!

by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 24, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reaching in for his heart

by Drew Kerr on Apr 24, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

looks like Lieutenant Dan

cut off at the knees lol

"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Apr 24, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's a new MSPaint?

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shoulda put Pete Carroll’s head in there somewhere… like on the ground…

by Drew Kerr on Apr 23, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

look up

DREAM DRAFT:
1. Trade #13 and #17 to Browns for #7, 2nd rounder, and 4th rounders
2. Take Eric Berry #7
3. Rodger Saffold in Round 2
4. Dexter McCluster in Round 2
5. BPA!

by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 23, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh… in the air… haha

by Drew Kerr on Apr 23, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

look to the left of the number 68

"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Apr 23, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasnt one of the songs that Carroll tweeted...

a Taylor Swift song? I thought this was a dead giveaway that hed pick Mays. Another song was “California Love” or had something to do with cali, so I figured he would trade down to pick Charles Brown or Jahvid Best/

by Rep the Bay on Apr 24, 2010 12:36 AM PDT reply actions  

The ironic thing is I think he really might have intended on taking him… maybe with a trade down or something. But then 14 rolled around and Thomas was still on the board. Pretty much everyone thought he’d go somewhere between 10-13 IIRC.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Apr 24, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully they never talk

That way Mays keeps that chip. Beyond the Bush scandal stuff Carrol also had that thing with Sanchez last year, seems like he’s a bit shady under his clean posterior.

Jeaaaggaahh

by Soulbrother16 on Apr 24, 2010 12:59 AM PDT reply actions  

He's a college football coach

Basically the scum of the earth cross the street when they see these guys coming. At what point is a college football coach not lying. Lying to prospects about how they will be their father, best friend, biggest fan, guidance counselor, etc.. Lying to the administration about how much they love the job and school where these guys will change zip codes every 10 months for 10% pay increase while demanding 10 years contracts to calm their job security fears. Lying to the fans, boosters or any who pays attention to football about this so-called “building the program”. Lying to the NCAA on just about everything.

I can’t think of a more dishonest profession than to be HC for a college football team.

by bignerd on Apr 24, 2010 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Investment banking is pretty high up there.

by brundylop on Apr 24, 2010 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see your Taylor Mays and raise you...

one brand new Golden Tate.

:P

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2010 1:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Golden domer to silver domer = downgrade.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 24, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats on another slot WR

Once again you guys cornered the market on underneath #2 and #3 WRs.

by bignerd on Apr 24, 2010 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're still behind from last year

Haven’t countered Michael Crabtree yet.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 24, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

We can always count on

that shining paragon of virtue called Aaron Curry!

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dunno man

Mays wasn’t even in coverage on that play, the CB was. Mays just got there at the last minute to try and make a play, but I don’t think he really got burned there.

by See Jay on Apr 24, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

But as a safety who is essentially supposed to be the last line of defense, that play didn’t look all that promising.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although I feel bad for Mays....

He even said it himself, he fully expected Earl Thomas to be drafted before him so you can’t exactly rake Carroll over coals for not drafting Mays. Although it’s Carroll’s fault that Mays’ stock tumbled a bit, but really, his coverage inadequacies probably scared a lot of teams off. I mean, if a team was idiotic to draft Tim Tebow in the 1st, Taylor Mays wouldn’t have surprised anyone considering his physical marvels.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2010 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Reading Mays comments it sounded like Mays was asking for Carroll to critique him and make him better at USC and he thinks Carroll failed him. It wasn’t that Carroll didn’t pick him, it’s that Carroll coached him out of the 1st round while leading him to believe his game was 1st round material.

by bignerd on Apr 24, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also considering that Carrol was a DB coach in the NFL and didn’t seem to bother to develop Mays properly. Mays has a legit beef with Carrol. Promising him the football world then leaving him out to dry.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Also surviving member of the underwhelming Jed York Conference Thread 3/22/2010
Eat Shitake!

by Hoopers Judge on Apr 24, 2010 2:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or Carroll made Mays as good as he's ever going to be.

The guy had 4 different safeties make All Pro on his watch in the NFL and coached Troy Polamalu in college. You can’t say he doesn’t know how to get the best out of a safety. It’s not like being the 49th player taken in the draft as a safety is something to cry about.

I never saw Tebow throw Urban Meyer under the bus for not teaching him better mechanics or how to take snaps from center. Tebow and Mays both looked awful at the senior bowl. So Tebow works with a bunch of coaches and bust his ass to prove he’s gonna try to fix what’s wrong, and Mays just worries about what suit he’s going to wear at his first press conference.

I think Mays is going to be an excellent pro, and I really wish he wasn’t in the division, but he needs to stop whining and take some responsibility for himself.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 24, 2010 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Homer Alert?

I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. I don’t think Mays is complaining about Carroll picking somebody else, per se. I think he’s upset and hurt that Carroll wasn’t more forthright in evaluating him and being honest with him.

I think Mays understands that football isn’t lovey dovey, “I’ll pick you because you are my friend” sort of deal. He just didn’t want Carroll leading him on like that.

Part of me thinks that this story is too easy for the press to simplify and fit to a narrative. Mays isn’t saying “wah wah” he didn’t pick me. I think it’s more “Carroll wasn’t honest with me.” [a college football coach should be mentoring his players, no?]

by brundylop on Apr 24, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's right.

When Mays got to the Senior Bowl all the coaches criticized him and pointed out the flaws in his game.
Mays was mad because Carroll had led him to believe that he didn’t have too many flaws.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 24, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not true
So Tebow works with a bunch of coaches and bust his ass to prove he’s gonna try to fix what’s wrong, and Mays just worries about what suit he’s going to wear at his first press conference.

Mays worked very hard with all the coaches and this actually led to better play in the Senior Bowl (game).
I remember Drew K raved about his coachability and convinced me that he would be a good pick up for the 49ers.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 24, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's to my understanding

that Taylor Mays was after his Jr. yr a projected top 5-10 pick at his position. Mays says that coach convinced him to return for his senior season and that his role would not change. Mays feels like his stock dropped this season because his role changed and that coach was not honest with his when it came to his role he would be playing in the defense. Can anyone tell me his role in the USC defense before his Sr. yr?

Beat Em To The Punch - Bill Walsh

by Desi on Apr 24, 2010 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

His role didn't change

Actually, he always played a very deep safety at SC. I believe his “big hit” tendencies can be attributed to playing 20 yards off the ball, and trying to play downhill too much. He never had a lot of INT’s, but SC’s defensive scheme had gotten long in the tooth ion the pass happy PAC 10. Good coaches like Stoops from Arizona, Kelly from Oregon, and Riley from Oregon State were carving up the zone SC had used since Carrol arrived. I’m excited to see if Mays can play safety in the NFL, but if not, we got a fast OLB.

Still and all, why bother? Here's my answer. Many people need desperately to receive this message: I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.
-Kurt Vonnegut

by Classy_Argonaut on Apr 24, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

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