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2010 NFL Draft Grades: A Brief Look At The 2010 49ers Draft Class

Well now that the draft is over, and now that we have all had time (like it, or hate it) to let the dust settle, we can start breaking down exactly what the Niners set out to accomplish and did or did not. There were plenty of teams who did not do well at all, others who seemingly have aced the draft, and a lot of teams that sort of just fell in between somewhere.

Opinions here on Niners Nation have ranged anywhere from very excited with the selections to very disappointed. And then there are those who fall somewhere in between. Overall, the 49ers addressed some fairly significant needs on both sides of the ball and have a lot to prove this season.

The 49ers went 8-8 last year with a less than stellar offensive line and a shaky secondary from week to week. The game plan changed periodically throughout the course of the season, but with the same offensive coordinator for the second consecutive season in a very long time, the 49ers will look to improve last years record. One major glitch from last season to this one that will need to be corrected, is that they will need to do much better playing games on the road; specifically the earlier morning east coast games.

After the jump, I will provide a break down of the individual draft picks, as Fooch has briefly already touched on, and give them each a final grade based on my opinion. After that, I will provide a final draft grade for this years 2010 49ers Draft Class. After that, I will extend the grades to the undrafted free agents that have been invited. This should be an interesting preseason to say the least once it finally get's here.

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Here is your 2010 San Francisco 49ers Rookie Class...

 

11th Pick Overall (1st Round) - Anthony Davis | Offensive Tackle | Rutgers - While this selection filled a critical area of concern (potentially the right tackle position), the 49ers jumped up two draft slots, trading away a 4th Round selection to acquire the 20-year old Offensive Tackle from Rutgers University. I have to admit that I was pretty upset with the pick initially but more upset with the trade-up for the pick than anything else. With such a deep draft, it was alarming at that point and time. Particularly with both Bryan Bulaga and Davis on the board. I heavily expect that the teams that traded up after us were not targeting an offensive lineman and it may have been too much for a team like the Packers to outbid for to get Davis (if they even wanted him). But what's done is done and I am moving forward.

There ended up being a lot of talent selected in the 4th Round that would have been ripe for the picking had we held on to that pick. Now that all of the draft picks are in, and looking back in hindsight, and watching a few videos on Davis' arrival to 49ers headquarters, I really have had the chance to analyze the pick a bit more. I am a little less critical of the pick at this point. However, Davis is very young, and going in to Seattle and having to deal with the 12th-man for his very first game as a rookie could be very trying and is a bit unerving for me. I am going to remain patient with Davis and give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but much remains for him to prove himself in San Francisco. The coaching staff has their work cut out. I've had time to reset and think things through, and his grade went up for me just a bit. Extra Credit: Attitude. OVERALL GRADE: B-

 

17th Pick Overall (1st Round) - Mike Iupati | Offensive Guard | Idaho - A few years ago, in the 2006 NFL Draft the New York Jets drafted D'Brickshaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold as they were just a few pieces short of having a very good offensive line. The 49ers decided to do something very similar in nature with the two first round picks this year. The Niners, as we all know, had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL last year. The addition of Iupati here solidifies the line for years to come. I was much more content with this selection than I was with the very first of the two first of the 49ers picks.

Mike Iupati received a lot of criticism from the week of practices prior to the Senior Bowl as he had a tough time making the adjustments he was being asked to. Part of the problem there was that he was being worked out in a position that he had never played and was very unfamiliar with. He is a very good left guard point blank. There are no "if's" about it. The 49ers drafted him to play left guard, and I get a very good feeling that this young man has the tangibles to beat out David Baas for the starting position. Out of the two first round linemen, I expect Iupati to struggle the least initially. OVERALL GRADE: A

 

49th Pick Overall (2nd Round) - Taylor Mays | Strong Safety | USC - Taylor Mays falling in to the 49ers laps this far in to the 2nd Round was nothing short of a miracle. When the 49ers turned their card in for this selection, and it was announced at the podium, I have to say that me, the 49ers front office, and I am sure several other Niner fans jumped through the roof. With Pete Carroll's selection of Earl Thomas early on in the draft, it sent Mays sailing down the board in dramatic fashion. It seems as though most teams looked at Carroll not taking Mays with the 14th overall pick as a "sign" that he may not have as much upside as was being put on. Well, all I have to say to that, is that this is the 49ers gain and everyone else's loss.

None the less, smiles were ear to ear on Taylor Mays' face as he took the podium at 49ers headquarters earlier yesterday; See video here. Mays sounds like an intelligent young man, and as he stated in the interview, he is not going to play the game with a grudge, or a chip... but more or less play the game with the intentions of being one of the best. He has a relationship with former 49er, and Hall of Famer, Ronnie Lott. Lott will be a guy that Mays can reach out to for advice and I don't think there is a better candidate (aside from the coaches) for that. Mays will have an incredible front seven in front of him and that will benefit him tremendously. I have a feeling that Mays has all the makings, and right coaching in front of him to be great now. OVERALL GRADE: A+

 

91st Pick Overall (3rd Round) - Navorro Bowman | Linebacker | Penn State - This was another player that fell quite a bit. Initially, some folks had Bowman pinned as a late first rounder, early second rounder. There was excellent value in the pick here... not to mention the trade back to acquire the extra 4th Rounder in the 2011 Draft. The reason, or part of it anyway, that Bowman fell this far down was that there were a few character concerns. If the rumors were true, there is not a better situation for him to be in than in San Francisco where a majority, if not all of the players have very high character and are held to high standards. Usually who one hangs out with, dictates a lot of how one behaves. Bowman will be surrounded by a bunch of class act guys and I have great faith that it will rub off on him and he will be a very respectable individual.

Bowman played a couple of the linebacker positions in his career at Penn State. His versatility helped the Nittany Lions defense out quite a bit. Bowman will more than likely learn a year or two behind the veteran linebacking corp and then be inserted in whatever position he fits in at best. I have full faith in that he will be starting for the 49ers someday soon. He may even be mixed in to packages as early as the beginning of the year. OVERALL GRADE: A

 

173rd Pick Overall (6th Round) - Anthony Dixon | Running Back | Mississippi State - I found this pick here just a bit mind boggling. I don't feel like he was an excellent addition to the roster and still to this point feel like there were much better options available to us. I understand the reasoning a bit though... Dixon was a high rated player and they saw value and jumped all over it. However, I mainly just see Dixon as a very short yardage insert. I suppose the 49ers have more faith in Glen Coffee than I do to be the 49ers insurance policy. There was another running back similar to him added through the undrafted class, but we'll get to that in just a bit.

Singletary and company made the mistake last year of coming out and announcing to the world that he was going to run, run, run...and inflict his will on opposing teams through the run. Although the team got away from that for the most part by mid-season, it appears on the surface that he is once again announcing to the world he wants to run, run, run...and inflict his will on opposing teams through the run. I hope that I am wrong, and that they learned that the only way you can win in today's NFL is having a balanced diet of both. OVERALL GRADE: C+

 

182nd Pick Overall (6th Round) - Nate Byham | Tight End | Pittsburgh - Who?... That was my initial reaction until I remembered that he was Dorin Dickerson's back up. He is basically an undersized lineman with so-so hands. I was really shocked that the 49ers were using these picks on players like this when we have already brought in a guy with as much upside (in all facet's) in Tony Curtis. J.J. Finely has quietly been making progress on the practice squad as well. I felt like I was reliving the Bear Pascoe selection of last year. Hopefully the feeling is false, but I have very little expectation that Byham will be around long. It amazes me at how little confidence some folks have for the four tight ends currently with the 49ers. Adding a fifth was just a bit much for me with this pick. OVERALL GRADE: D

 

206th Pick Overall (6th Round) - Kyle Williams | Wide Reciever | ASU - I think this may have been the best pick up in the three picks we had in the 6th Round. Williams was considered as the number two option next to Chris McGaha at ASU, but his yards per catch was a bit better. Williams is a return specialist that has mounds of upside and could very well push newly acquired Ted Ginn Jr. for his job. At least one of his jobs in regards to returns. Williams would be good insurance to Ginn Jr. at the very least. I am anxious to see what Williams can do once he puts on that red and gold. If you have not ever seen or heard of Williams, I encourage you to visit youtube.com to check him out. You may be impressed with his college performances. Living in Arizona, I go to a couple of ASU games each year even though I am solely an Oklahoma Sooners fan. I only went to one game this year which was the very first against Idaho State. The Sun Devils slaughtered the Bengals 50-3 and I remember a few nice catches by Williams. Again, he will be a fun one to watch... even if it is just for a single preseason. OVERALL GRADE: B

 

224th Pick Overall (7th Round) - Phillip Adams | Cornerback | South Carolina State - I really have to be honest here. Until today, I did not even realize a Phillip Adams existed and it's a bit embarrassing considering I did so much college football coverage. After a bit of brief research, he seems like an interesting prospect. He has some special teams ability and potential to start out on special teams. I have a feeling that he was drafted to push Karl Paymah for that roster spot. Personally, I would have drafted one of our undrafted signings (Pat Stoudamire) before Adams, but it's mainly just because I know much more about him. Sometimes the unknowns are the best hidden gems though, so we will see. I will give the scouts and coaching staff the benefit of doubt in this one. OVERALL GRADE: B

 

DRAFT SUMMARY:

If the odds end up being 50/50 in this years draft class, meaning 50% of the draft picks make the team, I think that batting .500 will be a solid figure for most. Considering that the draft was so deep this year, more so than any other draft in potentially the past decade or more, I feel that we could have done a bit better in the second half of the draft (Rounds 4-7). It wasn't a complete disappointment though as we did acquire some decent talent through the UDFA pool which we'll look at below. Round and player selected was considered in to the grading. OVERALL TEAM GRADE FOR THE 2010 49ERS DRAFT: B+

 

 

Let's now take a look at the undrafted guys the 49ers have invited to camp. This, in and of itself, washes away some of the not so great selections in the latter portion of the draft. Note: These are the names that Fooch provided in an earlier post. We will be keeping an eye out for the official word.

LeGarrette Blount | Running Back | Oregon - This is an interesting selection for me. He will come in and compete for the job that we drafted Anthony Dixon for. Blount, if he can maintane himself attitude free, and do what he is asked of... work hard... and all of that, has a real legitimate chance of making the roster. Either Dixon or Blount will be the guy. Blount happens to be a better pass blocker than Dixon and can catch the ball out of the backfield just as well, so this will be a very intriguing match up to watch once preseason hits full swing. Blount has a real shot at making this team and could be this years most significant undrafted free agent if he can make the 53-man roster. GRADE: A

Chris Maragos | Safety | Wisconsin - Maragos reminded me a lot of a young John Lynch or Pat Tillman. He has a very good chance of making the practice squad. If someone goes down with injury, he'd definitely be a good guy to have around to insert in to the roster. Particularly if there is some sort of special teams injury. He is an animal against the run and has decent instinct against the pass. He may be a sleeper. If you have not seen any of this young man's talent, I suggest you take a quick peek here in this highlight feed. GRADE: B-

LeRoy Vann | Return Specialist | Florida A & M - Explosive return specialist that Singletary and company recently scouted. I think they are very excited that they can take a look at this guy now without having to draft him. He is just one more reason that I am caring less and less about the sixth round picks that were not as appealing. Vann broke all kinds of school and division records while at Florida A & M in regards to returning the ball. He makes people miss, and has tremendous upside. However, I believe that some folks could end up being disappointed (much like the Kory Sheets deal last year) if and when Vann get's cut. Is he this years KSWOF? We shall see. GRADE: B

Patrick Stoudamire | Cornerback | Western Illinois - This was one of the guys that I was hoping we would select out of the remaining corners that were left on the board during all three picks for us in the 6th Round and we ended up with him regardless. I have to say that I am ecstatic for the chance this guy has to make our roster. He is a bit unpolished, but his tangibles and love for the game shimmer when he plays. Stoudamire could earn a roster spot behind Clements, Spencer, and Brown. Between Adams and Stoudamire, I believe that one of them will undoubtedly make the 53-man roster; especially if Dre Bly does not return. GRADE: A-

Jared Perry | Wide Receiver | Missouri - Perry was the number two behind Denario Alexander, who also surprisingly went undrafted. Alexander was considered as a mid round pick by most of the experts with his 6'5" 215 LB frame and speed to match. He will not last long. It is a mystery to me why the 49ers targeted Perry and not Alexander. But I suppose we will see soon. I was more impressed in watching the Stanzi-Alexander combo than I was when Ricky Stanzi threw the ball to Perry. GRADE: C-

Jarrett Brown | Quarterback | West Virgiania - Depending on how much playing time Brown gets, he has a real shot at knocking Nate Davis out of that 3rd spot. I truely in my heart of hearts believe that. This has nothing to do with my lack of intrigue with Davis, but more to do with the gargantuan upside that Brown presents. He is intelligent, instinctive, has a huge arm, and incredible accuracy. There is a bit more upside to Brown than Davis... and I bet the coaches, particularly Mike Johnson can't wait to get to work with Brown. There is a lot to do in such a little amount of time to impress. But Brown could possibly be the end all to the Nate Davis Was Our Future talk. I am extremely excited to see Brown in action. GRADE: A+

Shay Hodge | Wide Reciever | Ole Miss - Well he didn't exactly have Eli Manning throwing him the ball, and had to share the spotlight with the likes of players such as Dexter McCluster and Mike Wallace, but Hodge certainly shined in his own light. I am not sure who he would be competing with for a roster spot and he may just be brought in for a practice squad guy, but there definitely isn't a better guy to be there. Zeigler could possibly move up or ship out this year. Hodge may be his replacement. Or...  he could come out and shock everyone and make the 53, but I am not expecting that. I'm very anxious to see him in preseason though. GRADE: B-

Scott Long | Wide Reciever | Louisville - The Big East produced some very good football players this year and Long certainly falls in to that category. I am not sure that he has better tangibles than Hodge so I am guessing they brought him in as a camp body. He was the Cardinals leading receiver though with 73 receptions but he only got in the endzone 2 times his past season. Initially his stock was quite high, but eventually through the course of the season, it dropped and dropped some more. GRADE: C-

 

UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT GRADE AND FINAL SUMMARY:

If you have ever eaten at a Chinese Buffet, you may have had a scenario that went something along the lines of this: After your first serving you still feel like you have room for seconds so you go back up to the bar and load up your plate up with another heaping mound of food. After you conquer about three-quarters of your plate, you decide you are full and cannot eat another bite (number of plates may vary by person). Once you leave, you are satisfied for the most part, but 15-30 minutes later you are hungry again. Well that is how the draft went for me. The first round, and first day was very tasty... liked the picks alot for the most part with a few minor bad choices on the plate (figuratively speaking). I was full, but not totally, so I went back on day two for seconds. Day two for me left me feeling like we could do no wrong and anything else that happened, was secondary... but wait, I found myself hungry again day three (Rounds 4-7), which we didn't have a 4th or 5th Round choice due to other moves. And as hungry as I was, the selections just didn't do it for me completely. BUT WAIT AGAIN!! There was desert... I completely forgot about that and it would put the final touches on satisfying my hunger. The undrafted free agents took care of a bunch of the needs and concerns left behind unaddressed in the draft. OVERALL TEAM GRADE FOR THE 2010 UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS: B+

 

Overall, I think we could all be in for a very exciting and rewarding season. Although, certain things could happen in between now and the playoffs, this is a very exciting time to be a 49ers fan. And the entire community of the 49ers Faithful will be rewarded soon... I honestly believe that after what has seemed like a century in the time of waiting. 

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A+
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Barely a B for this year's draft?

I think getting Mays in the 2nd and drafting Iupati and Davis in the first are worth A grades for the entire draft.

Bowman sliding to the third is icing on the cake and then we get to bring in a bunch of camp bodies to fill out the roster.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Too much analysis, not enough understanding (Drew K., me, Smileyman) possible of how the coaches rate the players already on the roster as to their ability to start or stay on the roster. And that defines the areas of need, not our opinions of which product of his school’s athletic department propaganda mill will be a “sure thing” in the pros. What gives this draft an A grade in my mind is we specifically addressed the 49ers most obvious areas of need, with players who seem to be consistent with the head coach’s philosophy of how to play the game.

by seafood lover on Apr 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

barely?

He gave it a B+. I’m not sure where you’re getting barely a B.

by David Fucillo on Apr 25, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thought it was a B

so B+ is better, but still lower than what I’d give it

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

WIlliams, Long, and Hodge

I think this haul of WR will surprise.
Long was a workout warrior at the combine.
Hodge- cant argue with his season in the SEC. Very solid.
Both couldve easily been mid round picks.
WIlliams can fit inas a slot WR/KR.
I just think after Crabtree and Morgan the Niners WR is very unimpressive. Actually i’m not really sold on morgan long term honestly. I think Hill can be that solid #3 WR type, but niners don’t seem too interested in giving him a chance. Jones was a bust. There are WR spots open for the new additions.

by AsFanIn2010 on Apr 25, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed on Long and Hodge

I think they’re both going to be good and Kyle may be the secret. I can see a set of Crabs with Morgan, Hodge/Willaims, Long working out very will. It will certainly be an interesting fight at WR.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Apr 25, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love this draft

We addressed major need (OL). And got a great safety. Plus suitable backups and guys that will challenge vets to play better. Year 2 and Coach is getting his plan in motion. We get consistent and we can see Seahawks, Rams, and Cardinals in the top 10 of the draft for years to come.

Let's make a good team, a Great Team!

by chriscream on Apr 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I for one...

CANNOT CONTAIN MY EXCITEMENT. I WANT THE SEASON TO START NOW.

by shahbazi3 on Apr 25, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice read, Drew.

You seemed quite upset during the draft, but it looks like you’re a lot less upset about the picks now. I think this draft was quite good and definitely worth at least a B+.

While I don’t claim to know anything about the prospects, I think the team did a great job of addressing needs without reaching too much in the early rounds and even managed to get great value for a few of those picks, and it’s not easy to do that while still addressing needs unless your team is bad from top to bottom. I think some of the questionable picks late in the draft were okay because it looks like the team looked to find solid contributors to provide depth rather than to take huge risks to find a gem. If not for some of the UDFAs the team signed, I would think nearly everyone drafted has a shot at making the roster. Either way the competition for roster spots and then starting spots after that will be fierce and that’s always a plus.

by jveezy on Apr 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Couldn't have said it any better myself

I agree with everything you’ve said here jveezy – even down to admitting that I don’t know much, if anything, about some of the prospects!

I was really pleased to see Sing and the FO be aggressive in the way they went after Davis. They knew what they wanted and the made sure they got it. That’s the sort of leadership I’m looking for in a Coach and GM. Coach Sing will live or die by how some of these guys perform but at least he had the courage of his convictions and has targetted players that can implement his vision.

Nice to hear you sounding a bit more upbeat too Drew. I was getting concerned for you after some of your comments during the draft.

Can we attribute the successful recruitment of good UDFA prospects down to the extensive approach Sing has taken to scouting over the past 2 months? He does seem to have turned up at every training session and spoken to just about every player coming out of college!! He seems to have taken a much more hands-on approach than just about any other head coach.

by Glasgow_49er on Apr 25, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, Glasgow_49er ...

… always good to see a British Niners fan here. You going to Wembley?

LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.

by LondonNiner on Apr 25, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi, LondonNiner

yes, I will be going to Wembley. Can’t wait. We should meet up.

I don’t have tickets yet – I didn’t get any in the ballot when they initally went on sale but I see there are plenty of websites selling tickets, if you pay a few quid more. So I’ll pick a couple up – a mate’s coming down as well (a Rams fan!). Not sure if you, or anyone else here, can recommend a bonafide website for picking up tickets or do I just take my chances?

by Glasgow_49er on Apr 25, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a United fan on here as well.

Don’t remember what his username was and I suppose you could find United fans scattered everywhere, but I saw him in one of the draftday threads with a LUHG signature so there’s a good chance he could be from Britain. Maybe all three of you should meet up.

by jveezy on Apr 25, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

My whole thing about the Davis pick

Is that the Broncos and Dolphins were obviously ready to move the 11 and 12 picks. It is very likely that a team with a T need would try to jump the Niners there, knowing the Niners were likely going T. The more I’ve thought about it, the more sense moving up makes. Who’s to say that if the Niners stay put someone doesn’t trade into the Dolphins’ slot and grab Davis right ahead of them? Niners did what they thought they had to to get their guy. Can’t fault them for that.

Thank you, Chris Cohan, for finally doing the right thing.

by the guy on Apr 25, 2010 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

That is pretty much exactly the thought process I went through about the trade-up.

by NinerFanDan on Apr 25, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm in total agreement with tg and NFD on this

Not only were the Broncos and Dolphins READY to move the 11th and 12th picks, they both DID trade their pick. Since the whole world knew that we were targeting an OT, the probability that someone trading up to take one of those tackles before us was significant. Iowa o-linemen are incredibly well-coached in college, to the point it is felt by many that they have little upside left, whereas some felt that Davis has the best upside of any tackle in the draft. With Singletary’s ability to lead and motivate young men (think V. Davis), I don’t see that the decision between A. Davis and Bulaga as even remotely close. I applaud the decision to move up, even at the expense of that #4, to guarantee we got our man.

I gave the overall draft a B+, like most of the picks and also most of the UFAs. I think that there are SEVERAL (maybe even many) returning players whose roster slots are in grave jeopardy. With the PR/KR pick-ups we’ve made, I feel that Ginn will have a very difficult time making the squad

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Apr 25, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bulaga sucks.

Can’t wait till he busts with the Packers. For the life of me I have no idea why he was considered a top OT prospect.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

He dominated in the Orange Bowl

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Orange Bowl is history...

… the question is: how much better can Bulaga get in the NFL, vs how much better can Anthony Davis get in the NFL? The Niners obviously believe the clear-cut answer to that question is that AD has the much greater “upside”… enough greater to spend that #4 pick to move up and get him.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Apr 26, 2010 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

That wasn't why they traded the 4th round pick

They knew that someone had a deal in place with Miami, but they didn’t know who.

They probably should have realized that Dallas and Green Bay didn’t have enough ammo to move all the way up there though.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 26, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

ohhhhhhh kaaaaaaaay

I said that we traded the 4th rounder so we could move up and pick Davis. Then, we moved up and picked Davis.

You said “That wasn’t why they traded the 4th round pick”. Then why, pray tell, DID we trade the 4th, if it wasn’t to move up and select Anthony Davis?

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Apr 26, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another way to look at it

Whether or not the trade-up to 11 really was essential to get Davis, Baalke thought it was and made the decision. They go the player they wanted. That may be the first time a 49ers GM made a decision rather than dither since the Yorks took over. Let’s give him points for that as we grade the first round of this draft.

by seafood lover on Apr 25, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand why they did it

The couple problems I have with it are:

I had Davis and Bulaga rated roughly equally and would have been perfectly happy with either one at 13. Obviously this is just a difference of opinion as it appears clear the 49ers greatly preferred Davis so I can kind of let this point slide.

The second is that many teams were down on Davis because of his inexperience and concerns about his motivation. The teams that have been mentioned as possibly moving up for OT help were the Packers and Cowboys who both had a long way to move to get in front of the 49ers. In hindsight I really doubt either of them would have given up all the picks it would have taken for the right to get Davis.

Overall I’m just glad to have Davis but when it comes to grading the draft I can’t help but knock the team a bit for the trade up. In a month draft grades won’t matter and it will be all about figuring out who can help this team but right now trading up for Davis was bad value in my opinion.

by OkayJay81 on Apr 25, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I’ve been working on a pet theory as to what motivated the trade and how to think about this draft.

In my view, there are two parts of drafting. Part 1 is talent evaluation. This is the most important part. I think we’ve done this really well under the current regime. Part 2 is, for lack of a better word, draft strategy. This is the ability to move up and down the board to get maximum value for our picks. I don’t think we’ve been very good at this. And I think this draft has reinforced that belief. In contrast, in this draft I think the Broncos showed that they are very good at 2, but maybe not so good at 1.

The way Denver traded all over the place on day 1, it was clear that they had a plan. They wanted Tebow and Thomas. They needed a Marshall replacement and obviously are one of the few teams that believe in Tebow. From a talent eval point of view, taking Tebow (who everyone seems to think is a very long way away from being a NFL QB) and Thomas (who everyone seems to think is not as talented as Dez Bryant) struck me (and many others) as a little crazy.

However, from a draft strategy point of view I thought Denver was brilliant. They targeted the guys they wanted, then turned No. 11, 43 and 114 into Nos. 22, 25 and 87. In this way they made sure that they got BOTH of the guys they targeted AND a full round upgrade for another pick (from 114 to 87) without giving up any future picks. Given that it looks like Denver had this plan all along, it seems to me that it’s more likely that Denver called us than it is that we called them. They were looking for trade downs and were able to convince SF that if we didn’t trade up that we’d lose out on Davis.

I also don’t think its plausible that another team was trying to trade up with Miami to get Davis. Here’s my logic:

1. If a team was trying to trade up to get Davis before SF, they would have called BOTH Miami AND Denver.
2. If they called Denver they would have had to make an offer that was either (a) better or (b) worse than #13 and #113 (the niners offer)
3. If the offer was better than #13 and #113, then they would have taken it.
4. If the offer was worse than #13 and #113, then it wasn’t a serious offer. The teams that would have been trading up for Davis (Green Bay, Dallas, Arizona) would have been trading from the 20s and would have had to offer a lot more than #13 and #113 for the offer to be realistic. The fact that they apparently didn’t tells me that those offers, if they were made, weren’t serious.

Is it possible that there was a credible threat that another team was going to trade with Denver and Dallas and that SF acted brilliantly by heading that off? Sure. But given the San Diego trade and Denver’s behavior, I don’t think its likely. I think the more likely scenario is that Denver convinced SF that there was such a threat in order to gather the ammunition they needed to orchestrate their day 1 plan.

And, finally, even if someone had traded with Miami to get Davis, we still could have had Bulaga. Was Davis really rated THAT much higher than Bulaga to make it worth the trade? Afterall, Davis does have the question marks about his weight, maturity and work ethic that make him somewhat of a risk/reward type of pick.

All that said, I’m very happy with the guys we got. Iupati and Davis give us a new identity. Mays and Bowman are GREAT values in the 2nd and 3rd round. I just wish that we had been able to do what Denver did (and what New England seems to do every year) – target the guys we want then orchestrate some trades to get those guys while picking up more assets (or at least not giving up assets). Instead, we did the opposite – arguably unnecessarily. And as a result, we missed out on some intriguing players at #113, like Al Woods, Eric Norwood, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Ricky Sapp, Dominique Franks, Perrish Cox, Walter McFadden, John Connor and Arthur Jones.

Then again, what do I know. I’m just a fan.

by kiyoshi on Apr 25, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

qft

but I believe this draft fits coach Sing… I’m happy with it just like it is.

"He's so fast, he can turn off the lights and be in bed before it gets dark!" -- Lee Corso on Jahvid Best in NCAA 10.

by dirt on Apr 25, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quoted for truth

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 25, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was going to say "Quit f{site decorum}ing talking

but I suspect that your interpretation is right.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 26, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like yours though very much..I think i will have to use it more mostly on the Sactown Royalty board!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 26, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

And what if?

We sat at 13 and watched someone jump in and take Davis. Can you hear the screaming? They obviously really liked this guy and went and got him. I give them a higher grade because of the trade.

by Jaxson876 on Apr 25, 2010 5:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn’t have been screaming, I would been like, “Oh cool, we got Bulaga”. Either pick for me at 13 would’ve worked. The 49ers FO obviously felt differently.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well said.

The fact that they did move from 13 to 11 is the only way we would have ever really known that Davis was their clear choice. Only time will tell if it was the right choice but I give them credit for the courage of their convictions.

by Jaxson876 on Apr 25, 2010 6:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's one and the same

Tebow has so many question marks, that you (rightfully) question Denver’s talent evaluation skills. However, it’s purely because of this “bad talent evaluation” that they were able use “good draft strategy.” These two skills are very, very intertwined.

If they wanted guys that were generally considered better players or less risky, they wouldn’t have been able to trade around and pick up extra picks because the guys they wanted would be off the board by the #22 pick. They were only able to do well in “draft strategy” because they didn’t want any of the players who were going to go ~#11 and wanted players that would come off the board later. If the Niners coveted Tebow and Jahvid Best, they too would have traded down to get the guys they wanted. There were plenty of suitors in the #11 to #15 range this year. Philly offered two 3rd round picks and the #24 for the #13. We could have pretty easily made the same trade if we didn’t like anybody at #13.

I just wish that we had been able to do what Denver did (and what New England seems to do every year) – target the guys we want then orchestrate some trades to get those guys while picking up more assets (or at least not giving up assets).

The Niners did do this. They targeted guys they wanted (Davis, Iupati, Mays, Bowman, probably others), and they did orchestrate some trades to get them. They traded up for Davis to make sure they got their man, and they “Denvered” it up by trading back in the 3rd when there were probably a few players they liked that they didn’t really think were on other teams boards and ended up taking Bowman and two extra picks. Also remember that they stood pat rather than make a knee jerk trade and got Iupati & Mays. Remember the threads about whether or not we should trade up to get Mays? The FO didn’t, and they got him anyways, well done.

Regardless of whether you like highly rated or not so highly rated players, if you want somebody, you have to make the moves to be at the front end of their draft slotting to make sure somebody else doesn’t take them before you. That’s what the Niners did, that’s what Denver did. Just because Denver didn’t really want any of the mid-first rounders doesn’t make them special and it doesn’t separate “draft strategy” from “talent evaluation.” They go hand in hand and you can’t really judge one without the other (except in the case of Jacksonville, who could have easily traded back 10 spots and got the same guy for cheaper and probably picked up an extra few picks).

Was Davis really rated THAT much higher than Bulaga to make it worth the trade?

If they knew that Denver wasn’t going to take a tackle, they would have had either. Clearly, they made the decision that Davis was worth the extra 4th rounder. There’s no uncertainty there. Whether the FO is correct in that assessment remains to be seen, but how they valued the two players is pretty clear (and given how far Bulaga fell, other teams seem to have agreed). They liked Davis more than anyone else on the board enough to trade a fourth rounder for him. We’ll see if they were right on their evaluation, but they made the aggressive move to get the guy they wanted, and for that I commend them.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 26, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of fair points

Things I agree with:

Tebow has so many question marks, that you (rightfully) question Denver’s talent evaluation skills. However, it’s purely because of this "bad talent evaluation" that they were able use "good draft strategy." These two skills are very, very intertwined.
they "Denvered" it up by trading back in the 3rd when there were probably a few players they liked that they didn’t really think were on other teams boards and ended up taking Bowman and two extra picks.
Also remember that they stood pat rather than make a knee jerk trade and got Iupati & Mays.

Also, its clear from Pittsburg’s pick that there was a definite danger of Iupati being taken right behind SF, which means that SF did the right thing to take him there rather than trade up or trade down.

Things I disagree with:

Just because Denver didn’t really want any of the mid-first rounders doesn’t make them special and it doesn’t separate "draft strategy" from "talent evaluation." They go hand in hand and you can’t really judge one without the other (except in the case of Jacksonville, who could have easily traded back 10 spots and got the same guy for cheaper and probably picked up an extra few picks).

I think you can separate it, and you provide a great example as to why. Lets say that Alualu ends up being a hall of famer. In that event, Jacksonville would have trumped most other teams on the talent evaluation aspect. But they still would receive a fail on draft strategy because, as you said, they could have easily traded back and got the same guy, paid him less, and picked up more picks. You certainly need both and there’s certainly an interplay and intertwining between them, but they are distinct aspects that can be separately analyzed.

Finally, I agree that they were aggressive in getting their guy. I just don’t agree that it was necessarily the smartest thing to do. Ultimately, we can’t go back in time and see what would have happened if they had not made the trade. So no one can definitely prove that Davis would have been available at 13 (and no one cannot definitely prove that he wouldn’t have been). If he would not have been available at 13, then it was a brilliant move. I just happen to think, for the reasons in my earlier post, that its very likely he would have been around at 13 and that we either panicked or got played by Denver.

by kiyoshi on Apr 27, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

POLL ADDED IN

I added a poll for voting on a grade for the draft covering drafted players AND UDFAs.

by David Fucillo on Apr 25, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Grade

I had it as an A- through the 7 rounds, but bumped it up to an A after the UDFAs. A- for day 1, A for day 2, B for day 3.

They added some very interesting talent after the draft, including a legit guy like Blount. He’s not your normal UDFA.

by David Fucillo on Apr 25, 2010 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

This UDFA is strong

lots of guys who were given 5th and 6th round grades

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season

by MichaelClutchtree on Apr 25, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Pete Carroll is such a tool. Glad we have someone like Singletary at the helm

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on Apr 25, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like I'm seeing double


Pete Carroll congratulates his mentor on successfully landing another college job after failing miserably in the NFL

by Mertons_merkin on Apr 25, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You lost me at....

“Solely an Oklahoma Sooners Fan”….puke.

I like the analysis though, and agree mostly. But, i like the 6th round guys a lot. we were clearly looking for a solid blocking TE, and we got one of the best in Byham. And that guy from Miss St is special. he could go either way (like blount), but he seems to be more active in the passing game than LGB, and has the ability to make people miss.

I feel like we had our draft dictated to us, as the run on DB talent was oppressive. Could’ve used that 4th and 5th rounder.

by t p on Apr 25, 2010 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

The more I think about this team as it is right now, the happier I am with it. When Singletary said he wanted to build a hard-nosed, smash mouth team I thought, “well let’s just wait and see how it develops over the next couple of years.” I’m really excited with the direction we’re headed in

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on Apr 25, 2010 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Blount, Hodge, and Brown had mid round projections pre draft

So they kind of make up for lacking 4th/5th rd picks. For whatever reason in the draft or udfa niners did not bring in an DL help, so either they are content with their current roster or plan to fill those line needs through free agency further

by AsFanIn2010 on Apr 25, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

They also have a couple guys who were on the PS last year who could make the team this year

Khalif Mitchell is one.. and he played some good ball in last year’s preseason.
RJF also, was on the team but didn’t play much.. but they are high on him.

Along with having Briggs, Brooks, Bowman, LaBoy, Haralson and Lawson makes for a lot of competition for OLB/Pass rusher

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wash.

Thank you, Chris Cohan, for finally doing the right thing.

by the guy on Apr 25, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

And by wash I mean even.

Not "Wash"ington.

Thank you, Chris Cohan, for finally doing the right thing.

by the guy on Apr 25, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel that Ginn will have a difficult time making this team...

1) as a WR: blazing speed, poor route runner, poor hands, won’t go over the middle (wuss)
2) as a PR/KR: again, blazing speed, but a wuss. New rookie draftee Kyle Williams, also a WR, has returned both punts and kickoffs. UFAs LeRoy Vann returns both, and Phillip Adams has returned punts. All three demonstrate much greater courage than Ginn.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Apr 25, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

more courage, but Ginn is already a 'made' NFL receiver--that still has upside

that 1st-round pedigree is maybe overrated, but it’s not nothing.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Apr 25, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please explain this to me. I'm not certin what it means...

“Ginn is already a ‘made’ NFL receiver”

As far as 1st-round pedigrees, how are you on Jamarcus Russell? How were you on Ryan Leaf? And as for his blazing speed and 1st-round pedigree… how ‘bout Darrius Heyward Bey (although he’s only had one year, and on a pretty bad team, to prove himself)?

We talk ad naseum about the “it” factor… I just don’t believe that Ted Ginn has “it”.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Apr 26, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn

much as I love Washington it has to be Ginn

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wash

He is a better RB than Ginn is a WR. They both give you great production returning kicks but Wash adds more value as a position player.

by crumpedup15 on Apr 25, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wash has not even finished rehab, no one knows what he has left.

Ginn was used as a number one WR, which he is not. Washington has never been asked to carry the entirre load and there has to be a reason why. Wash is a good gamebreaker, but didn’t do much of that las season. hiim being a better Rb than Ginn a WR is debateble. Ginn is a better returnman, I am not sure how many yards Wash has in the returngame, but he doesn’t have th espeed that Ginn has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's close to a draw for me

Have to give the edge to Ginn just because he’s a 49er now though… mainly in hopes that he will pan out better than Washington (post-injury).

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington's injury was really bad. He hopes to fully recover by the start of the season.

And even then when will he be able to perform up to what he did before.

Ginn has all the talent and is healthy.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I wouldn’t say Ginn is particularly talented, he’s just really fast.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say being fast is some sort of a talent

He’s a good returner too.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's been declining as a returner, so I hear.

As many Dolphins fans informed me pre-trade, he started avoiding contact and isn’t as dynamic a return threat as he ocne was.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 26, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

They say he declined as a punt returner

But were his lack of punt returns because of his draft status?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 26, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Washington

But Ginn is a better fit for us. As much as a change of pace back would’ve been nice, I think we needed a receiver with big time speed to stretch the D and open up the underneath routes more, and Ginn (and now Williams too) give us exactly that.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Apr 25, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leon is better

But lots of injury issues….

by kiyoshi on Apr 25, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn doesn’t have broken leg.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington, easily.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grades

What genius gave the team an F? I’d imagine someone just bored.

by David Fucillo on Apr 25, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I would image it’s a Seahawk or Cardinals fan giving us the F.

by M F on Apr 25, 2010 12:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Probably "More False Hope."

He is never satisfied with anything the Niners do.

by CorneliusJ on Apr 25, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I gave them an A

With Davis, and Iupati ancoring the line along side Staley,Rachal, and Heitmann, our offense will be DYNAMC with Smith,Gore,Crabtree,Davis,D.Walker,J.Morgan, and 6th rd. pick Kyle williams at the slot. This kid has hands. He is lightening fast, and absolutely relentless. Navorro Bowman reminds me of Patrick Willis. He’s always around the ball hitting someone. And Taylor Mays teamed with Deshon Goldson will be the top two Safties in the league.
   We got Dixon, and Blount! What?..IT IS ON…

by STELF BOMBZ on Apr 25, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Thoughts on Bulaga

You mentioned that it would cost the Packers too much to move up and take Davis at #12. The Packers took Bulaga at #23 because they thought it was a good value at that spot. Bulaga dropped so much because I believe that Davis was higher on NFL boards than Bulaga was. Just because teams passed on Bulaga does not mean that they would have passed on Davis. I did not like losing a 4th rounder (Walter Thurman was there) but trading that pick to guarantte that you get the guy you want instead of gambling was well worth it. Davis has the most upside of all the OT. I don’t think Davis will start the 1st game of the year in Sea. I do believe that he will get many opportunities in that game and will be the starterby mid season. If he is the starter in game 1, then that would indicate that he is a better fit than Snyder at that point.

by ericalancanty on Apr 25, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Also, it appears they were not that high on Bulaga.

As for the character and work out drive concerns.. Coach Sing did his work and was satisfied with who and what Davis is and his potential. Apparently, from Sing’s day one talk, he had a couple people that he really respects tell him this kid is the real thing.

Coach Sing will make sure he gets surrounded by the right people and pushed in the right ways.

Both Baalke and Sing said that the two OTs that fit their team were Trent Williams and Anthony Davis and that Iupati was up there with them, rating very high on their board. Bulaga was nowhere around those two. Given this I would say they did right in moving up a couple spots with both the Cowboys and GB needing a good OT.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Chargers REALLY wanted Mathews and the Eagles REALLY wanted Brandon Graham, I am really quite sure that Davis would have been there at 13. But it’s over, time to move on. Dwelling on it isn’t going to give us our pick back. Besides, we picked up a 2011 4th Rounder in the trade back, so all is well.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

One thing to think about Drew... is that at that time for the Baalke and Sing

If they felt there was any possibility that someone would or could trade up and take Davis… then the trade was worth it. If they didn’t do the trade and IF, a big IF, another team like GB or Dallas had traded up and took him, then all we would have had was Iupati and not true OT. After last year taking Crabs and missing out on Oher… they couldn’t let that happen this year.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bulaga

I don’t understand your stance. Before the draft you appeared to be very high on Bulaga. I feel either pick would have sufficed. But maybe our opinions differ. Yhey really wanted Davis and they weren’t going to miss, so in drammatic fashion, the desperately went up two slots… which to me, and in hindsight, probably wasn’t necessary.

Davis still has a lot of work to do. He may not even be ready to start by week one against Seattle. Bulaga would have most likely been ready.

My overall point, in being disappointed with the move up, is I just didn’t feel it was necessary. But Bill Walsh always said, “If there is a guy you really like, then get him at all costs”. Hopefully that concept pans out for us.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think either pick would have sufficed.

Bulaga had a worse season playing RT at Iowa. The Ol did better as a whole when he moved. They both have work to do to be ready, no way Bulaga is ready to start today and fell to 23rd. I am however disappointed in the move up, i think he would have been there at 13.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct.. I was high on Bulaga, mostly because of what you and others said about him

What I am saying is that Sing and others not only interviewed him but liked everything about him..and apparently they didn’t have Bulaga rated that high. I would also assume that Solari put his 2 cents or $50 dollars worth into this as well. So for them to state that both Davis and Iupati were very high on their board.. that is what I am going by.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bulaga went where he should've gone.

You don’t spend a top 15 pick for a guy who doesn’t have the feet for LT. Plain and simple. You simply have to pay too much at that slot for that to be good draft strategy. Bulaga is well-coached, but if he’s playing LT for you, you’re probably not in a great spot, long-term. At #24, Bulaga can be what he’s supposed to be—an above average RT, and there’s no shame in that. This is why the Davis at #11 pick makes sense—he’s 20 years old, great size, tons of upside, etc. Anybody comparing Davis at #11 with Bulaga at #13 isn’t reckoning with the fact that Davis would’ve been a top 5 pick if he’d come out as a Senior next year.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Apr 25, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think what happened was they saw Davis still on the board at 11, probably had him rated as the 2nd best tackle in the draft (I bet they liked him more than Okung…), and thought they had to have him. Maybe Dallas was looking to trade up, maybe not. We’ll never know for sure. But I won’t quibble too much if Davis turns out to be the stud I think he can be.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Apr 25, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Dallas

had Dez Bryant as the #1 pick on their board. If they would’ve traded up, it more than likely would have been for him. They gave him Michael Irvin’s number for Goddsake.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid Dallas just ruined Dez Bryant

He’s a guy who needed a lot of changes including scenery, he’s not even changing zip codes. He’s surrounded by the same idiots who got him suspended from college and couldn’t remind him to bring his shoes to his workout. Not to mention Jerry Jones is already building in excuses for his behavior instead of trying to improve it.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

With the Cowboys organization aside, I don’t think that Michael Irvin will let him fail with all things considered. Even if it means spending countless hours with the kid. Haha

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too, I’m just sayin’… Irvin gave him his number. He will do everything in his power to make sure that kid doesn’t bust, lol.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dez is a great prospect.

If there was anybody else the Niners should’ve looked at at #17, it was Bryant. He got jobbed by the NCAA with that ridiculous suspension.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Apr 25, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll agree about the suspension

but I wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

A-

We might have done something different in the later rounds, but other than that, a kick-ass offseason so far. Solution to problems with road games? Leave a day or two earlier. Find a place to practice. Rest up. Destroy home team.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Apr 25, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

A- and it is because of rounds 1-3 and UDFA. The 6th round was ridiculous to me as we all know.

Multiple returnmen and multiple OL additions, I think that if we added some depth at CB and a faster RB this draft would have been an A plus. I will be watching Karim and Stepehn Williams plus the growth of Warren and Ansah, these are players I would have loved to add in later rounds, but we went in another direction. Adding Blount in FA makes the pick of a rb in the 6th a head scratcher. DE out of Ole Miss was passed on with the pick as well and I thought DE was a need in pass rushing situations. Ultimately the jury is out until we see improvement in the offense as a whole, ST’s return yards and field position and 3rd down play for the defense.

What is this crap I am hearing about Lawson wanting a new contract? He gets 6 sacks and thinks he is underpaid? Does he know he is under performing for a late first round pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s on the final year of his contract and looking at a potential lock out in 2011. I can see why he is pushing now for a contract. I think the 49ers should try to float a contact by him, a cheap one but it provides him with security. Otherwise the 49ers will need to draft for OLB, CB and DT next year.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Draft = B, UDFA = A-, OVERALL = B+

AD – He is who I believe was the 4th best OT in the draft. (1st being Okung, then Charles Brown, Trent Williams, AD, Ducasse)

Mike Iupati – Would have rather gotten Ducasse in the 2nd. Not because I think Ducasse is a better guard, but in terms of value it would have been the better pick.

Taylor Mays – Won’t ever be good in pass coverage, but coming up to the line whether it be blitzing or stopping the run, he could be a stout NFL player.

Navorro Bowman – Quality player, but he’s not a TED linebacker (at least in our defense). Maybe Baalke’s expecting Willis’ surgery leading to less playing time. Bowman would make a great MIKE and until he puts on some weight could also be a good TED.

Anthony Dixon – This means Coffee was definitely a McCloughan pick. I never understood why McC thought that a tall lanky RB was going to be a power back in the NFL. Supposedly Dixon was Raye’s guy. Maybe Raye feels Dixon looks a bit like Thomas Jones.

Nate Byham – Niners has obviously been looking for a blocking TE that would stick. Byham could be that guy.

Kyle Williams – Was a steal. Could be a very successful slot receiver as he was at ASU.

Phillip Adams – Why didn’t the 49ers draft a CB earlier? We really needed immediate depth at the CB position. Hopefully the staff feels Adams was a steal.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Vladimir Ducasse 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 6.Mike Kafka 6.Joshua Moore 7.Alex Daniels

by supraman on Apr 25, 2010 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I think that is an inaccurate asessment of Mays, how can you say NEVER be good in coverage?

If he is taught to use his size and speed and spend time in the film room, he can be dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard it in several places where his idol was R Lott (The real one) and some think Lott will help him out.

Mays isn’t a good 1st round choice but is an excellent 2nd. He can be coached to improve his coverage skills and then, you have a total SS.

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by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't teach instincts, Can't teach fluid hips

plus he’s already far behind the learning curve based on the transcripts. Carroll just put him 20 years back and told him to play football. He’s going to have to learn coverages as well as taking the correct angles when tackling.

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by supraman on Apr 25, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can practice at both and has plenty of time to do that. If he is dedicatd at perfecting his craft he can do a lot.

Fluid hips is more for man coverage and he can use his strength and speed to aid where he lacks. it’s all on the coaching and again his dedication. Niners coaching staff liked his hip movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm right there with ya on this one, supraman...

…but, since he’s a Niner now, I hope and pray that we’re wrong (don’t think that we are, but…)

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Apr 25, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Mays has as bad of instincts as some are making it out to be. And the one bonus we have going for us, is that he is a quick study

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that he has Ronnie Lott lending him advice

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

^5 that is a very big plus for Taylor's growth

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by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Carrol just didn't bother to coach him up.

He filled Carrol’s plans for college football; put him 20 yards off the line and just have him hit the ball-carrier. I believe he’s very easy to teach and has the motivation to learn, to kick the Seahawks butt every year.

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by Hoopers Judge on Apr 25, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering USC seasons and where his players were drafted it doesn’t look like Carroll did much coaching in 2009.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was working with Matt Barkely

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’m agreeing.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bowman

I know you’re a Penn State fan and all, but I have to say that I disagree with your assessment on him. The kid is majorly determined, and if they coach him to play and step in for Spikes here and there, I have full faith that he can get it done. He is a hard worker and great football player. Willis will be fine and that is not what they drafted him for. He will eventually be Spikes replacement.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't doubt him

I just want to see him put on the weight first. He had a hard time taking on blocks at PSU, but he’s really good at hitting the gap, avoiding blockers, and meeting the RB in the backfield. If Manusky sees that Bowman’s style of play is better for the defense, then watch out NFC West.

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by supraman on Apr 25, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he does have to put on some weight, I’ll give you that. But Sing said he told him he weighed 240…. another 8 more LBS or so and that should be good enough. What I really like about Bowman is it’s all business. He get’s off of blocks like there nothing and it’s straight to the ball. I don’t think I have ever seen him not wrap up. He was coached very well at Penn St. But I do think he can do anything he is asked of by Manusky. We could eventually have the best to ILB’s in the NFL. I expect him to receive a lot of playing time to keep Spikes fresh throughout the year.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could eventually have the best to ILB’s in the NFL.

It’s definitely plausible.

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by supraman on Apr 25, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

At 240, how much weight does he need?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he is fine 5-8 lbs is not a massive amount either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it’s not huge… but if it’s muscle (which I think will happen naturally just by regular NFL workout regimine), it won’t hurt. I think that is roughly what Willis weighs. Either way, you may have a point, it may not effect much.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s common for most LBs to come out of college weighing 240lbs.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

TED

I’ll find a link at some point, but I was reading somewhere that the Ted and Mike have similar roles in our current 3-4. Both playmaking that involve taking on blockers.

by David Fucillo on Apr 25, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sing said it in one of his online talks during the last couple days

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Baalke said it in his draft recap on Saturday. Said basically that that was one of the things that changed when Nolan was fired.

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by Smoke on the Water on Apr 25, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

3k from Turf Show Times: A-

  Ugh. Painful draft for Rams fans to see the rest of the NFC West put together respected draft classes, and we, well, hopefully time will vindicate us.
  I gave you guys an A- for putting together not the flashiest draft, but a character draft that fits your team near perfectly. Well done.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Apr 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the honest assessment. At least the Rams got their guy for the future in Bradford, right?

by NinerFanDan on Apr 25, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Rams definitely improved...

Saffold, Gilyard, and Murphy were all guys I wanted the Niners to take at one point or another. The key is Bradford. Honestly, I was much more worried you’d take Suh, but if Bradford turns out and stays healthy, clearly he was the right choice.

I could see 6-10 for the Rams this year, which doesn’t sound too great but would be a big time improvement. Spagnuolo is a pretty good coach. My assessment of the NFC West is that I think the Rams are trending up and the Cardinals are trending down. I feel like in a few years Niners and Rams will be duking it out for the division title again… just like the good ol’ days :)

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by Smoke on the Water on Apr 25, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on how Davis develops...

I’m a teeny bit worried since he’s so young. He might not contribute as early as we’d like. Then again, maybe he’ll be fine. 20 seems an awfully young age to play tackle.

Otherwise, when you factor everything in, the most exciting thing about this draft (and the UDFAs) is the level of competition going into the camps, at every position.

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by dutra on Apr 25, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

When I include Blount as a UDFA

It becomes an A+ He will never have that big a problem again. Even Ronny Artest quit sacrificing small animals after the brawl in Detroit.

Before Blount it was an A- The only negative was moving up to get Davis. Not only IMO will Bulaga be more dominant I think Davis is more of a project where as Bulaga could come in and compete immediately with his better technique and Davis is more likely to be a head case issue… and we moved UP to get him when we didn’t have to.

After that initial first draft pick and the associated jitters Baalke looked like he had been in charge of 10 drafts. Didn’t leap at all to get Taylor Mays where I was clamoring to move up if he got close to 40 and then traded back and got Bowman and some more camp bodies with the 6th round picks.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 25, 2010 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

how

is davis gonna be a headcase issue? he doesn’t even like to party…

by thedly on Apr 25, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean headcase issue

In the fat and lazy and doesn’t put out kinda way.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 25, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sing said he talked to everyone and Davis is very dedicated and a hard worker.

He is definitely not fat and lazy… he had to lose some weight and did that but he has the talent.

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by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think "lack of focus" would be a good way to describe Davis' problems in college

The light would flicker on and off at Rutgers. When it was on, he looked like a future All Pro. Athletic, big, strong, quick, and with a mean streak to boot. When it was off he looked lazy. The challenge for the 49ers is going to be to get him to flip the switch and keep the light on permanently. I’m optimistic they can do that— I think this kid really has a bright future ahead of him.

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by Smoke on the Water on Apr 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Drew said above about Taylor having Ronnie Lott to advice him

Davis has Solari and Brown to not only advise but coach him in all ways. And Sing said he will surround Davis with the right people. They are basically going to make failure for Davis a NON issue.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bulaga will be more dominant?

I guess we will see, even though they will be playing different positions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's part of it too

Bulaga is stout enough in the ass to be a run blocking RT and he’s quick/agile enough to be a LT. Watching Rutgers, Davis’ footwork is a work in progress. They just aren’t fast enough for NFL guys like Robert Mathis or even Jerry Hughes. Bulaga I believe can be a pro bowler on either side and an All Pro at LT. Davis has more upside as an RT but I think it will take a lot of effort on his part to accomplish that and asking the guys mentor for an opinion of him is just like asking his agent. The guy is getting paid to say good things – of course he’s gonna say “he wants to learn!”

We’ll see. Bulaga is pro-ready day one… Davis has more natural abilities but will he ever touch that and does he have the dedication to reach it?

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 25, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

Bulaga absolutely isn’t quick or agile enough to be an LT.

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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly: Bulaga=a RT

If the Niners could’ve traded back to get Bulaga, then it would’ve made sense, but Davis has way more upside. The two aren’t even comparable, talent-wise.

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by grantmp on Apr 25, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was a baad RT at the college level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

baad as in good?

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Apr 25, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry cant give an A to niners, since Hawks had a better weekend

Whether they are good enough to contend i odnt know, but I really liked their picks. They took a OL and safety which ranked higher than Davis and Mays. Then go white and washington for basically nothing. Also IMO they got better vlaue picks later in the draft than niners who seemed to look for needs in day 3 than BPA. Of course made up for it, in a solid UDFA group

by AsFanIn2010 on Apr 25, 2010 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

But that doesnt mean that they will have a better season

Yeah they brought in Okung and Thomas and yeah that upgrades those positions but they also have to many questions. Whitehearst is so untest that it isnt even funny. He is essentially a 27-year rookie, he has never taken a regular season spat in the NFL. He has been a career 3rd stringer and has to learn a new offense since the schemes in Sand Diego and Seattle are different as far as I know. Hasselback well you dont know what you are going to get from him and his back and various other injuries that he has had recently. Leon Washington is a good pickup if he can come back from the leg injury that he had and Lendale White is a good back up but those two individuals succeed because of the line that they had and although Okung will start day one the Left Tackle position wasnt the only question mark on that team. And outside of Housh and maybe Carlson does that team have any other vertical threats regardless of the fact that Carroll brought in every single Wideout that he had at USC. On Defense their linebacker core is the only brightspot that they have. They have an aging Defensive back core who still need to find corners and their line doesnt put much fear in me. Last season’s lost in seattle was more about the 49ers not knowing how to close games out as oppose to how good Seattle was.

by Lok on Apr 25, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a niner's fan

I’m not sold on the niners either Its a mediocre division overall. IMO 3 teams are bunched together, rams suck lol. What I expect to be an 8 win division at best, we will see. Of course, it all depends on if niners have internal improvements from their current players, I’m just not sold on smith taking this team anywhere

by AsFanIn2010 on Apr 25, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Its going to be one of those seasons where the division will probably come down to the final game of the season. I just truly believe that the Niners have less questions than any other team in the division. I know that the Alex Smith question will be brought up all season but if there is a year where he either shows his true potential or finally puts the nail on the coffin of his career it would be this upcoming season. The organization has been putting talent all over the place on both offense and defense. Do i think that he is a Super Bowl/MVP kind of QB no i do not but i do think that he can limit his mistakes and help the team make one maybe two playoff season yeah i do. with all of his downfalls as a QB i think that he has shown to be at the most a team player, which i know isnt enough from a #1 overall pick but that was a different time and lets face it a different organization. We have structure, we have focus and we have a single mindset which is important for any successful organization. With this draft we have added talent and depth which 5 years ago is something that none of us ever saw happening. Now its time to make something of it. I think we can win 10 games if we play the kind of game that we can but its never set in stone

by Lok on Apr 25, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Won't it be nice to fish or cut bait with Smith?

I like the guy, he seems like a good person and all, but his career has been absolute torture to watch. I hope he does well, but even if not, it’s nice to have the team set up (good talent around him, hopefully a better than awful O-line, last year of his contract) to finally make a decision on him other than, “let’s see what he can do next year.” I’m so sick of that stuff.

by Mertons_merkin on Apr 25, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he does well, he will be extended. Especially if he leads the team in to the playoffs.. even if we lost the first game. Playoffs would = extension for Smith. Plus, because of past performance, it may be easier to sign him for less than a guy like Eli Manning or someone like that. It would almost benefit us quite a bit (his previous years) if he pans out this year. In a strange way, I am kinda glad he didn’t do well in his first four years.

If he breaks out now, he could be the QB for the next ten years.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Either way at this point

I’m like a parent with a missing child, I just need closure…

FYI: Matt Maiocco just quit.

by Mertons_merkin on Apr 25, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually first took this as a joke, but

Maicco DID just quit!!!!!!!!!!!

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Apr 25, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great draft

How can anyone argue with these picks?

OT Anthony Davis
G Mike Iupati
S Taylor Mays
LB Navorro Bowman
RB Anthony Dixon

Some great playmakes on defense as well as 2 top notch offensive linemen and an excellent RB

Mike has got to be smiling

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Apr 25, 2010 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm arguing Dixon and the TE other than that I am extatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You really seem to like Coffee

Which is cool, but do you mind if I ask why? I’m not trying to undermine your opinion, I’d like to think that he can be a solid back myself, I just haven’t seen it yet. I think the most important skill that a back (especially a big back) can have is the ability to break a tackle. The ability to break that first tackle, is what separates guys like Gore from guys like Barlow. I haven’t seen that ability from Coffee yet (in college or in the pros). I’m with you on Dixon, Although I’m not familiar with him outside of his youtube highlight packages, I frankly haven’t seen the ability from him to do anything other than run through big holes created by his lineman, so I’m with you on doubting him; but I really feel like we might see something more out of Blount. I mean, if the kid has an ability outside of punching guys in the face, it seems like breaking tackles would be it. He runs with a lot more determination than I’ve seen out of Dixon, or Coffee. But tell me (because I want to believe) what is it that you see in Coffee that I’m missing?

by Mertons_merkin on Apr 25, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to gage anyone on the offensive side of the ball with that por Ol play from last year.

Coffee churned out 20 plus attempts with no OL aginst one of the leagues best defenses. He also had a noodle arm QB at the helm and basically tried to run agisnt 9 man fronts against a defense that can stop you with 7, so I have to give the guy another year and Blount as an UDFA was great, but Ihate th eDixon pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coffee might be okay.

But I don’t want to keep him just because he was a 3rd rounder. It was not a very good pick last year, and the mistake doesn’t justify the loss of a better player taken at a later round or as a UDFA, as this year’s talent was deeper than last year. He’s not the Gore replacement long term, and I think Blount can later be converted to FB when the time comes to replace him.

by Vertigo on Apr 25, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

One of the things I like about this draft is that for the first time in a very long time the team appears to have spent several picks (and signees from UDFA’s) to increase the level of competition in several position groups. Going into the OTA’s this is the deepest RB, WR and OL group I can remember having here. When you consider the depth in those pools, as well as at TE and increasingly at ILB, it looks like the OTA’s and training camps are going to be a lot of fun to watch this year. The only way that’s true is if the coaches turn off factors like what round someone was drafted in, and how much a guy earns, while making a decision about who to cut, and who to give the most time to.

by Mertons_merkin on Apr 25, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The TE is the best blocking TE in the draft, I heard that on both NFL and ESPN

The Niners wanted a Blocking TE and that is what they got.

Now Dixon.. I don’t know.. but there is good competition for RB

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Apr 25, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think it was a wasted pick. 7th rounder or UDFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You also thought Taylor Mays was going to be the Niners 1st pick

The 6th round is for role players. If you really think it’s necessary to get your panties in a bundle over two 6th round picks go ahead and start crimping and crumbling. Byham is also supposed to have soft hands and more than just a OT-lite. Right now the Niners only have 1 real TE on the roster as Walker is more of an H-Back and I really wouldn’t be suprise to see Byham pass Walker of the depth chart. Dixon is a bruiser and I think the Niners could use a short yardage specialist.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 25, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I would rather we filled different roles with the pick, DUH!! I would rather have gotten Karim, a poor man’s MJD or the DE from Ole Miss to aid our Nickel PR and potentially unseat that bum Balmer. I know what a 6th rounder is. Nothing above hinted anything other than that. Where’s the SIG??

Correction, I didn’t think the Niners would pass on Mays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTLNIzGiLY

"We're going to get the players we have targeted," Baalke said. "I promise you that."

by rlott#42 on Apr 25, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

But...

I agree with everything you said Drew expect for your assessment of Byham. I just don’t see how the pick surprises you and the selection is not an indictment of the 4 TE that we have on the roster. Vernon is our franchise Tight End Deleanie Walker is a pass catching Tight End with limited blocking skills, so we needed to bring in someone who can come in on goal line situations and take on defenders. I’m not saying that VD can’t do it but i would prefer that we have someone else so that he can concentrate on having another pro bowl season and Coach Singletary said it himself Nate will also see some time at H-Back position which means that he will showcase his skills as the best blocking Tight End in the draft. So i think it is unfair of you to give that selection a D when you arent looking at the big picture and also on top of that last season we only had 2 TE on the active roster so why not bring in a different type of Tight End who can perform other functions

by Lok on Apr 25, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

A- for me overall.

But Drew K offers an outstanding analysis. Thank you. I continue to be troubled, too, about the Davis trade (giving up a pick); he isn’t a sure enough bet and it probably cost us a decent CB. We could probably have found a Byham player as an UDFA, but my expectations were pretty low at this point for a quality player, so it if filled a need, ok. One aspect of the draft is the enthusiasm it has generated for the team—on this site and in the media. I don’t recall that level of optimism for many years now. Also, I think Coffee and Baas should be offered in a trade.

by Vertigo on Apr 25, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I also gave the draft an A-/B+ for that exact reason but we can’t take back what has already come to pass but i love the fact that we moved back in the 3rd round and got back a 4th round pick for next year so i think that it evens itself out. See i disagree with you in that Byham would have been there as an Undrafted Free Agent. there was almost 20 tight ends picked in the draft and every team could use a good blocking tight end (you can never have enough good blockers). “Quality player”, well if you look at the analysis that Mike Mayock, Mel Kiper and Todd Mcshay had on him he was either ranked as the best or second best blocking tight end in the draft who has some pass catching ability to me find a quality back up who can do mulitple things in the middle of 6th round at a position that we needed depth is a good pick for me; its not like we got him in one of the first 5 rounds. And i dont think that we should trade David Baas, yes he is not a quality starting left guard but that doesnt mean that he isnt a valuable backup guard who has starting experience, the same thing was said about Barry Sims last season. He can spot start from injuried player or to bring in on unbalanced line situations and like ive said before you need depth at every position to be a good team

by Lok on Apr 25, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, there was a flurry of TEs being picked at that time in the draft.

In regard to Baas, I just don’t see enough roster spots in the end, and I think the team will want to move forward with the new talent. So they might be able to get something for him now. The new team then may want to offer him a longer deal than our 1 year. Snyder won’t have the trade value, but he can move over to back up guard I’ve read.

by Vertigo on Apr 25, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are probably right

I really didnt consider Adam Snyder when i was talking about Baas being a backup but yes you are right now and Adam is probably better suited for a guard spot than he ever was for a Tackle spot and if Alex Boone ever lives up to his potential then it makes David even less valuable to us. But now the only thing that im thinking about it how much of indictment it is of the 2005 draft. Where alot of people have said to cut bait with our first 2 draft picks in Alex Smith and David Baas who was the first pick of the 2nd round. I can’t we went through all of that turmoil to where we are now as a possible playoff/division winning team

by Lok on Apr 25, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

2005 draft

Smith has the chance to prove himself this year. But I don’t think the Niners have been very good at picking OL talent lately; think Kwame Harris. Even their best players (Heitman and Staley) are not (yet) top drawer in the league (Pro Bowl caliber). I’m hoping that the corner is turned now.

by Vertigo on Apr 25, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you

But there are plenty of Niner fans who want to cut bait with him. They havent done a good job of evaluating O-linemen but remember that it has only been recently where we have hired talented evaluators. Kwame Harris was an utter mistake and i think all of us can agree on that. Remember Heitman as far I remember was drafted as a guard then moved over to Center and he was what a third round pick. Staley was drafted in the hopes that he would be a right tackle who could transitioned to the left side if need be and lets be honest he has been our best linemen and he has the ability to be a pro-bowler especially with a better line and another year of experience. We are on the same page when it comes to the oline

by Lok on Apr 25, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

C+

And here is my opinion why:

OT Davis – he fits a need, but only in a general sense. They need a pile moving RT – Davis seems to be more of a left, which they have in Staley. Staley doesn’t not seem to be a RT either. Decent pick, but not outstanding.

OG Iupati – this picks seems a good deal more risky. He, hopefully, is a big mauler of a guard. However, this is his upside. A good OG can be found in lots of places. Bulaga, Claussen, Bryant, Pouncey, or Williams would all be better picks.

SS Mays – A workout warrior without instincts? This is not the safety they need. They are in desperate need of a weak safety would can play centerfield and cover so Goldson can play SS. Clements might fit that bill, but it would be entirely conjecture. He has always been best in bump and run, not zone. That might not translate as well to WS. I would have much preferred Spikes, Gerhart, Dunlap, Charles Brown, or a CB [not sure which]. I think he will end up a good special teams player.

OLB Bowman – Ughhh. I suspect he would make a good LB in a system where OLB don’t have to take on blockers or rush the passer. It doesn’t seem like the niners system is right for him. That, combined with the off-field problems, makes me wish they had picked Gilyard, Griffen, Wooten or Campbell.

Overall, I think they probably got better, but their 1-3 rd picks are pretty risky.

by irwin on Apr 25, 2010 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I gave it a B (or B+...I don't remember)

I pretty much agree with Drew K 100% on everything (scary, huh?)

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I think I just heard the earth crack… lol.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I gave it an A-

After the draft I thought it was a solid B+. The UDFAs pushed it up a notch.

I think when you’re grading a draft you have to give the higher picks more weight than the lower ones. Early on busts hurt a lot. Late picks, on the other hand, are basically lotto tickets, you hope some of them turn out, but if you get one good player late every year and all the rest don’t turn out you’re doing really well for yourself.

Individually:

Davis— A. Tremendous talent, love what he brings to the table in terms of upside and I think the Niners are the perfect team to get the most out of him.

Iupati— A-. Love the player. Only reasons why it’s a minus— I liked Dez Bryant a little more and he’s got some work to do on his technique. As long as the coaching staff is able to iron those things out, though, I feel like Iupati has what it takes to be a road-grader in the mold of a Steve Hutchinson type.

Mays— A-. Tremendous value for where we took him. Ideally, I would have liked more of a ballhawk safety to pair with Goldson, moving Dashon to SS. But I’m excited to see what Mays can bring. It’s gonna be really fun to see he and Willis putting some fear into the other team, patrolling sideline to sideline.

Bowman— A. Terrific pick. This is a guy who some thought could go in the late first— getting him at the end of the third is amazing value. He’ll be a demon on special teams and in a year or two should be a terror on the inside with Willis.

Dixon—B+. This was a guy I really didn’t want in the 4th round before the draft started. Getting him in the 6th changes things.

Byham—D. Here’s the thing— I disagree with the philosophy, not the player. Byham’s a heck of a blocker, but I don’t understand why we need a TE who can only block… why not just use an OL like Wragge in that role when necessary?

Williams—B+. Tremendous speed. Like the pick.

Adams—B. Don’t really know anything about him. What I’ve read sounds good… need to hope the Niners know what they’re doing here, but it was only a 7th round pick so there’s not a lot riding on it.

UDFAs: Blount— B+. Another RB we kind of already have. It would be nice to get a guy with some true breakaway speed and explosion, but I guess the Niners really aren’t looking for that. The battle between Blount and Dixon for a spot on the team should be worth watching.

Brown—A. Didn’t see him play much but getting a QB with this much upside as a FA is well worth the (minimal) risk.

Vann— A+. Love this pick up. Returner was such a huge problem for us last year and now we’ve added three legitimate possibilities for that role using a 5th, 6th, and UDFA. One of those three guys— Ginn, Williams, or Vann— will solve our problems, and we spent almost nothing on any of them.

Maragos— B+. Seems like just Singletary’s kind of player. Undersized but brings a real attitude. Could see him making the practice squad and could probably contribute on special teams right away if need be.

The rest of the guys I don’t really know anything about. I’ll take Drew’s word on Stoudamire though, so I’m excited to see them pick him up. Can’t WAIT for the season to start!

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Apr 25, 2010 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

byham

why not use wragge? if you are down on the goaline, you can use byham, who basically blocks like another tackle, if you are running. if you are passing, you can use a little playaction and byham can run the route and make the catch, whereas wragge would fall over himself trying to do that. it gives you options

by NYCNin on Apr 25, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Cheifs use a LB (Vrabel)

in those situations.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder

if the Ravens will use Cody like the fridge… I know Alabama used him that way a few times

by Drew Kerr on Apr 25, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be interesting

Although McClain is a good FB…

Maybe they can have two FBs in the backfield?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

A-

Davis, Iupati, Mays, Bowman and Blount hold my grade in the A’s; with a strong potential to be an A+ given future development.

With Davis, Iupati and Mays, we got three first round talents (Mays would’ve gone top ten last year, and if he were hypothetically in next years draft would be first round talent; I think he fell mostly due to Pete Carrol and a very deep draft), and B&B both have immense upside (considering where we got them), and fell due to issues that the 49er’s specialize in resolving. The rest of the guys I know little about, camp bodies and rolls of the dice I think.

I am though really looking forward to seeing the above mentioned dish out some violence red and gold style, more so then any other year. I feel other teams should be concerned about what I am so looking forward to, so I have to keep my grade a A-…for now.

by 49ersCAN on Apr 25, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Blount is gone

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

SI.com

had a poll asking who everythone thought had the best draft…choices were the lions, ravens, seahawks, broncos, and us!!

by NYCNin on Apr 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Broncos?

I’m not even sure about the Ravens, they drafted Sergio Kindle but at least they managed to fleece the Broncos in that trade . . . again the Broncos?

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

How long until the DEN franchise completely collapses?

I’m going to go ahead and guess Week 7 this season.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

They started collapsing Week 10 of last year when it finally dawned on NFL coaches their pass defense was elite and their run defense was awful.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Tebow will make everyone happy for about half a dozen weeks

Then it all falls apart.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

They made big changes to the run defense in the off-season though

I expect them to be better there

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What changes?

They signed that old NT?

And their old secondary just got one year older.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jamal Williams

who’s still a decent NT.

They brought in Jarvis Green from the Pats who’s a solid DE. They also brought in Justin Bannan who’s a pretty good DT.

They have several young guys on their team who are also ready to compete for starting spots.

Willi it be as good as the 49er D-line? Not by a long shot, but it will be better than last year’s.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 26, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's comming off a serious injury, though

I firmly believe that they made a mistake by drafting Tim Tebow over Dan Williams.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 26, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Time will tell

I’m surprised they don’t go D-line myself

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by smileyman on Apr 26, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gave the Draft a B

Because it has boom or bust written all over it. Davis, Iupati and Mays might all have potential to be pro-bowlers but they also have the potential to bust pretty hard. Davis is really hard to project as a 20 year old, Iupati scored a 13 on the wonderlic and typically you’d hope your OL would be pretty smart due to the adjustments and reads they need to make (I’m hoping since he isn’t American born that he may have been at some kind of disadvantage in the wonderlic and that it’s not an accurate measurement of his intelligence) and while Mays’ coverage skills shouldn’t be as exposed at SS he still needs to improve.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 25, 2010 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Iupati scored a 13 on the wonderlic and typically you’d hope your OL would be pretty smart due to the adjustments and reads they need to make (I’m hoping since he isn’t American born that he may have been at some kind of disadvantage in the wonderlic and that it’s not an accurate measurement of his intelligence)

Dan Marino scored like a 17, and he turned out O.K.

/sarcasm

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Also surviving member of the underwhelming Jed York Conference Thread 3/22/2010
Eat Shitake!

by Hoopers Judge on Apr 25, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL some people are bad with math

49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha

by 49erSalvatrucha on Apr 25, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taking the test last year I agree

It some what measures how fast a person thinks but if you memorize the playbook than you memorize the playbook. I don’t recall Michael Oher struggling last year.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not judging Iuptai on his Wonderlic

But I am saying that if his score is any indication of his intelligence it is concering. OL play is more complex than just memorizing a playbook.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 25, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wonderlic is a written test

and some people do poorly on those, especially if English is not their native language.

Does not relate at all to being able to think on your feet or to learn a playbook.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Smith scored a 40 right?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was pretty high

the dude is smart though—he got his economics degree in 2 1/2 years while playing football.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm majoring in Econ too

I want to see if I can do it in less than 3 years as well.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Apr 25, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

4+ pics "considered" first round talent and only a B?

…I agree with your “boom or bust” assessment, but think we value that scale differently. At this point 90% of the draft has “boom or bust written all over it”. Based on the consensus evaluation of our first four pics; I think its hard to not place this draft somewhere in the A’s.

In your opinion how many players in this years draft would absolutely not be “boom or bust”? And if we had managed to land three out of four of these players with the first four pics(a stretch to say the least); would you then consider this an A-class draft?

I think you roll the dice on all these guys, and betting on players with high upsides shows confidence at every level of the organization. The illusion of a sure thing in any draft is just that, and drafting multiples in one year is delusional.

“Optimism: food of the wise man, liquor of the fool.”

by 49ersCAN on Apr 25, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

In theory I like what they did

But I there are a ton of questions about Davis and he’s a wild card while only being 20 years old. Iupati didn’t really play against stellar compition and Mays has serious issue with coverage. In hind sight I would have much prefered a combo of Earl Thomas, Iupati and Ducasse more than Davis, Iupati and Mays. The potential is there for this to be an A+ draft but after 3 days who can tell for sure and a B isn’t a bad grade by any means.

Also, the “considered” first round talent seems like a silly statement or elevaluation. Obviously either their first round talents or their not (unless there are major injury or character concerns and I don’t see any major issues) and since we didn’t draft 4+ guys in the first round I doubt all of them have that kind of talent. Even if they do, how many other teams walked away with 4+ guys considered first round talents? I doubt the Niners are the only ones.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 25, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

A-...

…only because I’m still not convinced trading up was necessary.

by Bigmouth on Apr 25, 2010 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

It wasn't

The 49ers guessed a team could trade up and leap them but it didn’t happen. The Dolphins had a deal but it wasn’t with Green Bay or Dallas. Guessing wrong cost them a 4th round pick that was unnecessary. However, they could not have known. There were reports of the Cowboys trying to trade up. Supposedly to draft Earl Thomas but than again that’s what the Eagles said too.

by bignerd on Apr 25, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We still don't know what would have happened

And there was no way for the Niners to know. A 4th round pick isn’t much to give it. It’s more or less a special teamer/lottery ticket.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Apr 25, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’ll never know whether the Broncos or Dolphins had a deal set with another team looking to move up to grab Davis. There could have very well been a deal in place and when we made the move to get Davis the other team obviously decided not to trade up and the Fins then traded down with the Chargers who still wanted Mathews.

Yeah I’d liked to have kept that 4th but we got our guy.

by NinerFanDan on Apr 25, 2010 8:04 PM PDT reply actions  

This was meant as a reply to bignerd’s reply just above.

by NinerFanDan on Apr 25, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

B

Anthony Davis – I’m high on him, but there is clearly a lot of risk with this pick. He has inconsistency issues and questions regarding his preparation and desire to play football. Could be a great RT, could become an outright bust.

Mike Iupati – Great pick. If he fails, it certainly won’t have anything to do with physical abilities.

Taylor Mays – He might be considered value in the 2nd round, but why? There simply isn’t much that is impressive about him besides his fantastic size and speed. He just isn’t a great football player. Mays can be considered a legitimate liability in coverage. He’s also a very poor form tackler, and completely whiffs as often as he lays hits. He also isn’t very instinctive and doesn’t usually seem to be in the right place a the right time.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2010 8:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Eh

he’s worth a 2nd round flier and I think he’s absolutely coachable and can change. We also got Bowman in the 3rd who was graded at a late 1st/early 2nd pick.

If we’d used #17 on Mays I would’ve been pissed but #49 is a different story.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 25, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a Cal fan, I had to see a lot of Taylor Mays. He is a good football player.

7

by Rishi on Apr 26, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

They liked Davis a lot and they got nervous.

Yeah probably the trade up was unnecessary, but they are both new to the draft and they got nervous and maybe got manipulated a little. That’s poker. We lost a 4th. Let’s get over it.

But, if they are correct about Davis’ talent, it is not really that big a deal. This is going to be a powerful and unmerciful oline. 4th and 1? Not a problem anymore.

Having Iupati next to Staley; that is a serious upgrade.
Be patient with Davis; he’s 20 and may not start game 1 against Seattle, but down the road, late this season or next, he will push some people around.

by zacksf on Apr 25, 2010 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Clock Management

Loved the draft. Gave it an A-. Would have been an A but didn’t like the trade-up. It smelled of panic. I admire setting your sights on a guy then going after him, but this felt more like “oh, wait, what if…let’s do something!” They have 15 minutes to work through the permutations and calculate the risk. It didn’t feel like they did that (admittedly I could be wrong). We saw that kind of thing from the sidelines a few times last year. The Niners are definitely headed in the right direction but winning is more than just the players on the field…it’s keeping a cool head in a pressure situation for all involved. Everyone is learning here. When the guys upstairs and the guys on the sidelines and the guys on the field are all making good clear decisions while the pressure is on, this team is going to make some noise.

I’m excited to see some nasty new beef up front. We might even be able to run successfully on 3rd and 2 this year. For the first few games I’m expecting to be equal parts frustrated (with rookie penalties) and delighted (with the upfront mauling). After that, it’s a march to the playoffs. I’ll be extra happy if Singletary assigns someone to handle clock management so he can focus elsewhere.

by Nohandle on Apr 26, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

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