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Hating all the Hate on Josh Morgan

Man, I've read everywhere, blogs, espn, yahoo, football blogs etc. that the 49ers do not have a good enough #2 to compete. Josh Morgan is damn near more than qualified to be a number 2 receiver. He plays hard, and makes those big catches on third down that always help us out on drives. He gets those catches in the middle that can extend a drive and then has the ability to stretch the field. I don't know why, even though I love Crabtree, there is just part of me that wants Morgan to succeed so well that all the haters keep their mouths shut about him. He's improved since his rookie year, and he's ready to get at least 50-60 catches this year, and really complement Crabtree and Davis in the passing game. He has the ability, and honestly people who don't watch the Niners don't know much about the guys that help us win games besides Willis, Crabtree, Davis, Gore etc. He doesn't get much respect(except here) around experts/fans, but watch him play and they will realize that this guy is a good wide receiver. It may not be Bruce/Holt, but it is a good enough starting receiving core to win us games. Just my two cents, but yeah Josh Morgan is a good wide-out, and he's ready to shut out any of the critics out there.


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I don't see much hate for Josh Morgan

He doesn’t really deserve a lot of praise yet either though. He wasn’t anything special last year.

by Brendan Scolari on Apr 27, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Josh Morgan is great.

I think Josh Morgan has really good character and a will to win. But like many people, I can’t help but question his running speed and his ability to get open for big plays down the field. As the split-end, Crabtree is mostly going to run slants and maybe even 7-routes. As the flanker (Jerry Rice’s position), Josh Morgan is supposed to be able to make those deep passes down the field. While he has not really been given the opportunity to make such plays, I think some people are under the impression, based on what he has shown in his running speed, that he may not be able to make those deep passes.

But when his 40-yard dash numbers at the combine are better than Jerry Rice’s, it really makes you want to scratch your head when you think about whether or not he’s really fast enough for the position. Personally, I want to believe that his injury (whatever it was) in his rookie season may have been what held him back last year and cut his speed.

If I’m not mistaken, Josh Morgan ran a 4.4 in the 40-yard dash at the NFL combine, compared to Jerry Rice’s 4.7.

Something must be holding him back and causing people to question is speed.

by JHill26 on Apr 27, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Speed?

How about his QB doesn’t have any time in the pocket? I think we’ve remedied that (I pray!) this year and Morgan will actually be able to be targeted by a less-pressured Alex Smith.

When your QB is on his back – sacked – at least 3 times per game and hurried/pressured almost every snap, you really can’t expect much action on the deep ball even if your WR’s run 2.2 40’s. I need to find a time-in-pocket stat for Smith for the last couple years… I will guess his TIP is less than 2 seconds on average…

by StereoPete on Apr 27, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

He's not a true #2 WR on a legitimate offense

I don’t know why someone would take that as an insult or hate, but it is the truth. Josh Morgan is not going to be the 2nd best WR on most legitimate offenses unless that offense has Peyton Manning at QB.

You all can blame it on the OL, QB, or anyone else…. but answer these questions:

Did Crabtree not significantly outperform Josh Morgan once he joined the team?
Answer: Yes.

Did Josh Morgan establish himself as a legitimate top target before Crabtree joined the team?
Answer: No.

Was Michael Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR last season?
Answer: No.

Conclusion: Josh Morgan has not established himself as a go-to target in the passing game.

Josh Morgan is a great #3 WR option to have on your team, but this team’s passing game would be absolutely anemic if not for the freak that is Vernon Davis.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2010 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Furthermore

I don’t get the “hate” on Ted Ginn Jr. when he’s significantly outperformed Josh Morgan on a statistical basis.

Both of these guys are #3 targets and Ginn has the better track record. And don’t give me the opportunity nonsense because Morgan was the premier WR target early last season while Ginn was in the doghouse in Miami.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

But...

Josh Morgan, born in Washington DC…. and that’s why he’s cool with me.

I think he would actually put up better statistics as the third option in the passing game if this team had a legitimate home run threat as a #2 wideout.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn was the #1 reciever in Miami.

by manraj7 on Apr 27, 2010 7:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Morgan

Was the #1 WR for the Niners for almost half of a season. Who put up numbers?

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh yes the half of the season where we ran it up the middle and our QB had a weaker arm then me.

by manraj7 on Apr 27, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn has significantly outperformed Morgan?

In the return game maybe. But not as a WR. Last year Ginn had 38 catches for 454 yards and 1 TD, while Morgan had 52 catches for 527 yards and 3 TD’s. I guess I’m not seeing how Ginn has significantly outperformed him. Even if you go back to last season when Ginn was Miami’s #1 target, Ginn only had 56 catches for 790 yards and 2 TD’s. Marginally better but not significantly better. As for being a legitimate #2 WR, his 52 recpetions ranked 41st last season among WRs. Considering their are 32 teams, it seems he put up the kind of numbers you’d expect from a #2. Not to mention, he’s one of the best blocking WR’s in the game, which is important to a team like the 49ers who want to run the ball.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Apr 28, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since I'm bored

I went through the numbers and found out that Morgan had more receptions than the #2 WR on 18 teams, and more receptions than the #1 WR on 6 teams (Rams, Titans, Chiefs, Browns, Bucs, and Raiders).

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Apr 28, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

good find

Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"

by Tre9er on Apr 28, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is, it's hard to make statistical comparisons because the situations have been so different.

For most of Morgan’s career, he’s had JTO and Sean HIll throwing him the ball.

I mean, Morgan had (essentially) a season of Hill, whereas Ginn had a season of Pennington (67% completion, 7.7 yards/att). In that context, is Hill’s .1 receptions a game (careerwise) really very impressive? I’d say it’s the OPPOSITE of impressive, that in their respective contexts, Morgan’s number bespeaks more promise.

Similarly, Ginn’s extra 1.2 yards/rec over his career … you think catching dinks from Sean Hill might have something to do with that?

You absolutely can’t make statistical comparisons for WRs playing in such vastly different situations.

by Ronaldinho on Apr 28, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.

by SSC24 on Apr 27, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Morgan no yards after the catch

Just like Crabtree no yards after the catch, Crabtree so far will be a good NO#2 WR , and the 49ers still could use a NO#1 WR

by clrncbll on Apr 27, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Crabtree's YAC improved

and that was his bread and butter at TT. I think you’ll see more from his YAC this year.

Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"

by Tre9er on Apr 28, 2010 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Morgans doubt is justified i think.

I dont doubt him too much, but he really hasnt taken advantage of the chances hes been given to become a real threat in the offense. But its way too early to give up on him. Hes only entering his 3rd year in the league and last season he was moved around alot and was given lots of different roles in the offense. This year will be his chance to solidify himself as the #2 to Crabs.

Any Crabtree doubt is just plain stupid. I repeat, ANY DOUBT ABOUT CRABTREE AS A #1 RECIEVER IS JUST PLAIN STUPID.

by Beatclash on Apr 27, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

A more solid O-line can only help. Alex Smith will have more time, throw with better quality, and this should translate to a more potent passing game for the receivers as well.

Fun Fact: Jonathan Sanchez threw his first no-no on my 13th birthday.

by Ramah71 on Apr 27, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

just to clarify since I believe you misinterpreted

Michael Crabtree was not a #1 WR LAST SEASON.

I’m one of the biggest Crabtree supporters alive and think this kid is the closest thing to Jerry Rice in terms of receiver fundamentals and production. He’s clearly the future #1 WR for this franchise and I think he’s on his way to being an elite WR in the league.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Receivers the way I see it...

1- Crabtree (I think he is the obvious number one wide revceiver).
2- Morgan (Morgan showed a lot of flashes of being a very solid number two).
3- Ginn Jr. (Very viable option out of the slot, should battle Hill for this one).
4- Hill (Could slip to the number four if he can’t beat out Ginn).
5- Jones (People will finally get to see this kid’s true talent if he stays healthy, worthy).

Practice Squad
Williams (unless somehow he kills it on special teams, and receiving in preseason, but he will have to do both extremely well).

Zeigler is the odd man out.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 27, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Shay Hodge will also compete for a roster spot on the PS

by Drew Kerr on Apr 27, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Williams will be the Slot guy

I read somewhere that’s what Sing was thinking. Moving Crabs around so defense couldn’t key in on him and letting Ginn play some X so he can “open the lid” off the defense. Maybe it was Baalke, one of them.

by hudd07 on Apr 29, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not too bad of an idea…. moving Crabtree around that is.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 29, 2010 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is happening

MM said they had Ginn penciled in at Split End (Crabtree’s spot last year) so that when they bring him in Crabtree can work out of the slot or the Z. He said that Crabtree would be learning all 3 positions.

As I said before, I think, and hope, that there is a rotation of receivers to keep fresh legs and defenses guessing. The extra time in the system, a full offseason for some of the guys, should lend itself better to this than last year

Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"

by Tre9er on Apr 29, 2010 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hill/Jones/Williams

Williams fills two needs while Hill and Jones potentially fill one.

I don’t see how Hill and Ginn are competing, Ginn is clearly on this roster while Hill isn’t necessarily. Jason Hills is yet another WR that most Niners hardcore fans have significantly overvalued. To use a baseball term, he’s a replacement value player right now. Other than experience in the system he is no more valuable than the UDFA’s that were brought in.

It would probably be best for Hill, Jones, and Zeigler to be competing for a roster spot and the 4th WR spot. Williams can be the 5th WR (slot in certain shotgun sets) and get some KR/PR duties and unless he flat out disappoints in camp I think he’s best positioned to make the team.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Williams may not be a good receiver in the NFL. He wasn't arguably even the best WR at ASU

So he may just fill one as well… it’s a possibilty anyway. I believe that is how it will look. Just seems the most probable to me. But we’ll find out in the preseason. It could go the other way too, and he may even blow Ginn out of the water in all areas. But as of now, this is how I see it.

by Drew Kerr on Apr 27, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn is clearly on this roster while Hill isn’t necessarily

How do you figure?

by Drew Kerr on Apr 27, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn = unproven as a 49er
Williams = not even a 49er yet

by Drew Kerr on Apr 27, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Hill

Would the Niners trade a 5th round pick for him? No way.

You don’t trade for a guy you don’t intend on keeping on the roster.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 27, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Hill is not overvalued.

The guy is simply a playmaker. He beats his heart out every time he touches the ball just trying to get an extra inch forward. He has speed (and I mean game speed, not just 40-time speed) and he blocks fairly well. He’s surehanded (unlike Morgan) and he gets YAC (unlike Morgan). He should be starting alongside Crabtree with Morgan in the slot.

Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.

by SSC24 on Apr 27, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was the only person on the offense who looked competent in the titans game.

by hellaninersfan on Apr 28, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about starting over Morgan, but in his limited game action, he looked great\. Morgan, however, probably fits the offensive philosophy that Singletary wants – he can run block with the best of receivers. You can’t underestimate that value on a team that may actually get push from the front 5 next year.

That said, as much as Alex can benefit from better blocking, the receivers will gain just as much from more protection

by jsteez on Apr 28, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

which, in turn...

gives a running game, which opens up the pass a little more…

by StereoPete on Apr 28, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's the circle of life!!!!

Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"

by Tre9er on Apr 28, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beautiful, isn't it?

Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.

by SSC24 on Apr 28, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Morgan ...

and hopefully his game improve’s in consistency …. but i’m not sure he has the speed we need on the outside … thats what’s lacking …!!

Kewl

by Edggy on Apr 27, 2010 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I see potential

     With our new offensive line coach,Jimmy Raye returuning, and our team remaining in tact. We will have progressed enormously by pre-season’s end. Josh Morgan will progress, as did Vernon Davis in his 4th year. I would like to see Jason Hill get more reps, but with the arrival of Ted Ginn Jr. he may slide further down the depth chart.
    Quitely, what Coach Singletary is instilling is good ol Football. Get a bunch of football players, keep the core group together, and build chemistry, comradery, and a mentality that we haven’t had the opportunity to witness since the Golden era. The Patriots did it, so did the steelers. This is what a team is made of. We now have a team.

by STELF BOMBZ on Apr 27, 2010 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

steady rotation

I don’t think any of the WR’s after Crabtree have really warranted the lion’s share of the playing time. Why not rotate them in and out, different styles, keep them fresh, keep defenses guessing. Chemistry with Alex is the main thing they need to be successful. We all know he’s not going to throw receivers open unless he really trusts them (like VD and eventually in 2009, Crabs)

Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"

by Tre9er on Apr 28, 2010 6:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I bet this is what's going to happen

WRBC just like we did LBBC last year until Brooks exploded

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on Apr 28, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Morgan succeed...

but can’t picture the team not going after a true #2 WR next year if it’s a good value option. I’d say 2nd or 3rd round in 2011 draft, the Niners could be looking hard at receivers. With a real receiving threat opposite Crabtree, the passing game would be scary, and despite The lack of a quality QB for a complete season, Morgan didn’t really put up the numbers expected of him by most. If that changes this year, then I think the Niners are fine at WR.

by 9thevolution on Apr 28, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Morgan's got to do something

other than block, really well. He has to get open really well, or go up and catch the ball every time really well, or run after the catch really well. That’s pretty much it. Thus far he doesn’t do any of those things exceptionally well…just does them all “okay”

Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"

by Tre9er on Apr 28, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Morgan has been decent but...

I think after his rookie year people expected him to become a bonafide star based on his production that year. I think he’s coming along a little slower than we’d like but that could be due to a lot of things, such as the offensive play calls, to the switch at QB, to our stagnant offensive production as a whole last year. I’m hoping that the offensive as a whole will improve this year now that we have some consistency for once. I expect Morgan to has his best season yet. as long as he stays healthy and gets those reps in with Smith.

by Jayhov on Apr 28, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

*have* not has

I expect Morgan to HAVE his best season yet…lol

by Jayhov on Apr 28, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best part is

In terms of recieving and touchdowns VD is our number one reciever this year, Crabtree will be second so Josh Morgan will only have to be third, this is of course on a statistical basis and not a depth chart basis.

by Drew Taylor on Apr 28, 2010 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Gore too.

Heck, I’d bet Gore get’s close to the same # of receptions that Morgan does.

by hudd07 on Apr 29, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this will change slightly

I think you’ll see Crabtree and Davis as co-leaders in receiving stats and balance amongst the rest of the WR’s too. They want to keep defenses guessing which weapon we’ll be using.

Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"

by Tre9er on Apr 29, 2010 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

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