NN 2010 NFL Draft Community Big Board - Spots 11-15
We had fewer votes this time around (200+) compared to last time, but I think we got a solid enough amount to move on to the next round. Our current board now stands as follows:
1. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
2. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St
3. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
4. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (483 votes)
7. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (391 votes)
8. Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho (299 votes)
9. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma (291 votes)
10. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers (249 votes)
I'm typing this up to post at 7am, so these rankings may change a little bit. The 6-10 spots are fairly secure, although they might change a bit within over the next few hours (it's 2am right now). When I get up in the morning I'll post the official results and actual vote totals. However, in looking over the results as they currently stand, Davis is likely locked in at the #10 spot.
I know Haden and Williams draw some very divisive opinions. It's interesting considering the standings as is. Of the 6-10 spots, Gerald McCoy finished with the most #1 votes by a fairly wide margin. Haden made up for it in the rest of the votes.
After the jump I've posted the new poll for spots 11-15. We've dropped the players that qualified for 6-10 and added in 5 new guys. Thanks to Drew K for helping me come up with the list of candidates.
First off, remember that you can use the scroll bar on the right side to see the last few names. They're in alphabetical order by last name.
I realize I've probably left out players you might like, but given that we're looking at spots 6-10, I think I've included most, if not all, of the important names. To fill out the 25 candidates, I took the 20 individuals that didn't get in the top 5, and then added 5 more players. I added in a couple requested players from the last thread, and then a couple others from the Scouts Inc Top 32.
In the end, how you vote is up to you, but just remember that this is a 49ers big board. Not a mock draft and not a big board that can be applied to every team. Use your own philosophy, but just pretend this would be going to the 49ers when we're done.
If you think an essential player is missing, double-check the list first.
Voting is now closed on spots 11-15. Head over and vote on spots 16-20.
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really?
Sam Bradford not a top 10 prospect on the board?
Alex Smith would be a distant memory if Sam Bradford somehow fell to #13.
I’d love to know who thinks Iupati is a better NFL prospect than Sam Bradford.
Anyone think the Saints are fielding offers for Drew Brees in exchange for the top NFL guards?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
Not a fan of Bradford
Dude is brittle as glass. In fact, I’d rather have Clausen than Bradford simply because when Clausen finally had someone to throw to (G. Tate) those two were very impressive. Bradford had a stacked o’line and a wide-open system.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
also note, though, I'd be surprised if they didn't take Bradford at #13
the hype is just too high on him.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
agreed hype negates reason
Of course, this is all academic as Clausen won’t slip but few fans are willing to get excited about another project at QB. Also, I tend to think Spiller is way over-hyped on the big board in a reverse fashion. Spiller could easily swap positions with where ever Clausen falls to. A RB will will not solve the offensive line and DB situation (which are the priorities subsequent to QB) and serviceable RBs should be available in later rounds (especially if zone blocking is being implemented).
by asmithisaverage on Apr 4, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Clausen will fall to the middle of the round.
McShay is right. He’s not a 1st round talent. In a stronger year for QBs, (Like if Locker had come out), Clausen wouldn’t even be noteworthy. He’d be competing with the Pike’s and Lefevours
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's a tougher evaluation than that
You’ve gotta consider that Clausen was playing a pro-style offense and had sub-par talent around him for almost his whole career at ND. He never had a 1000 yard rusher, never had a receiver that will be drafted until Tate, and still managed to put up a ridiculous TD-int ratio. He looks to me more like Matt Ryan when he came out—in fact he looks better than Ryan. Remember that Matt Ryan threw almost as many picks (10) as TDs (15) in his senior season and threw 25 TDs vs. 18 INTs for his college career. Clausen had a positive ratio every year he played.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
This is not a general top 10, or 20, or whatever… it’s Niners specific. A majority of people think that Smith will be the starter and Carr will be a solid enough QB.
I don’t think many people want to draft a QB in the first round or even second for that matter.
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This is not a general top 10, or 20, or whatever… it’s Niners specific.
Yeah, seeing as how he mentioned Alex Smith, I’d guess he knows that.
A majority of people think that Smith will be the starter and Carr will be a solid enough QB.
I’d hope everyone knows that, or at least thinks that, and that’s exactly the problem. Just like Jake Delhomme is the Browns current starter and Seneca Wallace is their backup QB, so they should consider Clausen/Bradford/etc. When your QB situation is pretty bad you’d be a fool to take Mike Iupati over Sam Bradford IMO, it’d be a collossal mistake for the Niners.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 3, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith’s play in 2009 is so many levels above Delhomme’s 2009 play. That was an awful comparison. Look up Smith’s stats in 2009. He’s got a high ceiling he hasn’t hit yet.
Drafting another 1st round QB without having even an adequate O-Line is pure folly. How would the Niners situation change? You’d just replace a QB who hasn’t reached his full potential and hasn’t been given the tools to do his job for a rookie with no expirence in the NFL with the same god-awful O-Line. We need to draft O-Linemen before we even think of taking another QB in the 1st.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
Also surviving member of the underwhelming Jed York Conference Thread 3/22/2010
Eat Shitake!
by Hoopers Judge on Apr 3, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Delhomme's backup had a better year than Smith, but it doesn't mean he is better.
If Bradford is on the board at 13 we better be trading that pick or keeping him, but a selection is a must.
I want the best player in the draft.
Meh….I don’t see Bradford as an elite QB prospect coming out of college (elite being Payton and more recently Matt Stafford) and I think you’ll have guys in up-coming years that are comparable. I’d agree with trading the pick, but I think the Niners have too much invested in Alex Smith (see the argument that Mike Sando has been making at ESPN) to consider taking a QB here and muddying up the waters (cost of a first round QB, QB competition, etc…). Let Smith play as the hands down starter this year and see what he does. If he doesn’t do well there’s Jake Locker and Ryan Mallet next year, with the possibility of some like of Case Keenum or Andy Dalton shooting up the boards. Two years from now could arguably be a great QB class with Matt Barkley, Andrew Luck, Terrelle Pryor among many promising young guys that are starting in college right now. Plus maybe Nate Davis surprises; he certain has the tools to do so.
Bradford looks WAAAYYY better than Stafford, and if not for the injury questions, that would be an easy decision.
When I said take him, I meant even if you don’t have a deal onthe table, you take him because someone will deal eventually and more than likely before your next selection at 17. I don’t see how you call Stafford elite, that is obsurd to try to prove a point, no one is saying don’t let Smith be the starter. If he doesn’t do well we’d be waiting until 2012’s draft, I think there is 2 good QB prospects in 2011’s draft.
I want the best player in the draft.
I figured you meant as trade bait.
You aren’t one that blindly hates on Smith… And Bradford would be awesome trade bait. He has coaches drooling ever since his 49 completions out of 50 throws at his pro day.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't compare their play at all
I said both teams have pretty bad QB situations, and they do.
Drafting another 1st round QB without having even an adequate O-Line is pure folly.
I couldn’t disagree more. This is exactly what people said about the Falcons picking Matt Ryan, you think they regret that? The Niners have 2 first round picks (plus 7 more picks after that), the idea that they can’t address the line if they take a QB is ridiculous. Furthermore, I’d say that other than RT, the Niners line is fine, at least at pass blocking. Perhaps I’m biased, although PFP graded the Niners line as above average in pass blocking last year as well, and even if you disagree with that, it certainly wasn’t a disaster.
You’d just replace a QB who hasn’t reached his full potential and hasn’t been given the tools to do his job
The first part of the statement is pretty lame if you ask me. He’s had 5 years. Could he still get somewhat better? Yeah. But to act like he’s got all this untapped potential is the definition of wishful thinking. His situation has been bad, no doubt, but he’s been god-awful until this year, and even this year he was bad. I will disagree that Smith hasn’t shown he can’t do the job himself.
for a rookie with no expirence in the NFL with the same god-awful O-Line.
Yes, all rookies by definition will have no experience in the NFL. But most people think this rookie has a chance to be very, very good, and you don’t pass up a franchise QB if you don’t already have one. Bradford can sit a year behind Smith, giving the Niners two drafts to build up the supporting cast on offense (it’s really only a RT away from being very strong IMO). That’s plenty of time, and prevents the Niners from extending the poor QB situation any longer than they have to.
We need to draft O-Linemen before we even think of taking another QB in the 1st.
This is astoundingly short-sighted thinking. The Niners don’t have only 1 draft pick this year. Even if they take a QB, he’d probably sit for a year so they’d have the 2010 and 2011 drafts where they could potentially address the O-line situation again. Waiting until the whole offense is perfect before drafting a QB means you might be waiting for a QB a long time, that’s not a recipe for success. If Bradford is there I’d take him in a heartbeat, and then take Williams, Iupati, Davis, etc. with the 17th pick and the Niners would be on their way to having an incredibly talented offense. Sounds a bit smarter than waiting a whole nother year before even thinking about drafting a QB to me, but of course this is all moot because the Rams are going to take Bradford #1 overall.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 4, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Alex has had 3 years
cause he’s spent 2 of the last 3 seasons dealing with 3 shoulder surgeries and over-coming what could have very well been career ending injury.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith will also come cheap
He’s going to resign next year for a league avg for QBs… And he’s got a way higher ceiling than the league avg at QB.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Assuming he doesn't break out this year
and reach the level I know he’s capable of.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Iupati is probably the best OLman on the board. OL is the biggest need.
Bradford after a year off, hurt, is not someone I would feel comfortable drafting in the first round.
I would rather we fix the OL and then, next year, if we want a new QB, and he isn’t on the roster, draft a good one in the 1st round.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
RT is the biggest need
OG is not nearly as big, and I think taking Iupati with the ide aof starting him at RT right away is a stretch.
I think it’s unlikely they take a QB this year, but if Bradford is there, I’d take him. Who knows when the Niners would be in a position to get a QB of that caliber again.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 4, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
respectfully disagree...
…I was very happy with Alex last year. I think at least half the stats; that on paper reflect poorly on him, were a result of his supporting cast.
I watched every game last year, and if the team corrects some of the mistakes by players around Alex, and he continues to improve his own game; then we are far ahead in the NFC West.
There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for not making the playoffs this year. The other three teams are trying disparately not to take a step back, while the Niners are in a position to take a GIANT step forward.
My 49ers draft board
this is how I think the niners should rate the players availibale for picks 13 & 17.
I didn’t include players which would be off the board 100% (like Suh, Mccoy, Okung, Berry etc…).
Here is my board. I would love to hear your comments
1. Bulaga – OT is a must
2. Trent Williams – same as above
3. Haden – major upgrade to the secondary
4. Spiller – major upgrade to the offense but won’t be an every down player immidiately
5. Brandon Graham – best 3-4 pass rusher in the draft
6. Iupati – 4th best OL in the draft
7.Earl Thomas – an immidiate upgrade at SS
8.Rolando Mcclain – secures the Ted for the next 10 years but you can find good Teds later.
9. Dan Williams – a nose tackle for the future but he won’t make an immidiate impact
10. Kyle Wilson – 2nd best corner but probably won’t start until year 2 or 3
11. Anthony Davis – too many question marks at this time
Players who has Bust written all over them and should not be taken in the 1st round:
1. JPP
2. Bruce Campbell
3. Taylor Mays
4. Sergoi Kindle
Personally I would be very Happy if we get any 2 of my best 7 players.
my dream scenario would be Haden, Spiller and trade the second rounder for Gaither or one of New Orleans RFA OT’s.
Truth!
Remember people when you’re taking a first round OT he should be ABLE to play LT and play it competently at the NFL level. So unless you are drafting the greatest RT prospect to ever play the game… If he can’t play LT well he shouldn’t go in the 1st. Trent is solid at RT but definitely not the greatest prospect ever he’s a LATE 1st round choice at best.
JPP will end up as either an all-pro or a bust. Depends on his work ethic and motor during games.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 3, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
An assessment ...
I like your “list of 11” except that I would remove Trent Williams and Davis — we’ve discussed Williams ad naseum (see additional comments posted below) and, while talented, Davis is too immature and lazy to become what he could be.
Next, I like Wilson much better than Haden, primarily because I think that he wants it more.
While I really like Earl Thomas, he won’t play as a SS, but probably as a FS and possibly as a CB.
How about adding Demaryius Thomas and/or Arrelious Benn to the list?
As to your “four busts”, I generallly agree except that, given great coaching, Campbell has the athleticism and work ethic to eventually become a good OT.
So, “personally I would be very happy if we get any 2 of” … Bulaga, Spiller, Graham, Iupati, Earl Thomas, McClain, Dan Williams, Wilson.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Apr 3, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Earl Thomas is an NFL SS...
…he’s a coverage guy that many think is good enough to convert to CB.
I would like to see a ball-hawk(Goldson) + big hitter (Mays) combo at the safety positions. Let Goldson roam( a la Ed Reed), while Mays covers over the top; looking to light someone up(similar to what he did at USC).
He's an NFL FS, and would play the position like D byrd in Buffalo. You can knock his tackling but you can't knock his range.
I want the best player in the draft.
Which one? Mays or Thomas?
Or both since Mays doesn’t wrap his arms and if Thomas goes head up with a big back he’s getting flattened.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 4, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you can knock eithers range...
… and coaching can correct any of May’s issues, but no way at 13 or 17
agreed...
…FS is his best position; which is why I wouldn’t touch him unless the coaches are prepared to make him a CB, and that would take time that we don’t have in the secondary. I think we have bigger needs to fill immediately at 13 and 17, and should not draft a player to compete at one of our strongest positions (FS).
Gallery's arms never measured up to NFL standards and that's why he was a better interior lineman.
I want the best player in the draft.
Terrible comparison, see what rlott had to say.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 3, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Gerald McCoy
I’m sort of shocked that he’s this high on the community board. I mean even if he’s projected to go in the top-5 I certainly don’t see him as being in the Niner’s top 10. Where would he play in our 3-4. It would seem as waste to sit him on the bench and groom him behind Justin Smith. Plus the majority of his talents as a disruptive penetrating one-gap DT would be a waste while he’s taking on the OT/OG’s so Willis can make a tackle. Just look at how well it’s working out for Glenn Dorsey in KC. Heck Odrick out of Penn State would be a much better fit for the team than McCoy
He could play at LDE
And kick into DT in nickel situations.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 3, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt the average voter in a poll like this
Knows much about McCoy’s ability (or lack thereof) in a 3-4.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 4, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
typo
That was a typo on my part. Unfortunately I can’t make changes once the poll is set.
by David Fucillo on Apr 4, 2010 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions

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