Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati: When do they become game-changers?
by David Fucillo on Apr 30, 2010 10:00 AM PDT
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Today I bring you the second in a series of bi-weekly posts looking at game-changing moves made by the 49ers this offseason. The first of these posts came at a fairly opportune time, given that it was the day the 49ers acquired Miami Dolphins WR Ted Ginn Jr. Prior to that move I had been thinking of doing the first post on the lack of any necessary game-changing veteran.
With the 2010 NFL Draft securely in the rear view mirror, now is as good a time as any to start looking at the potential game-changing impact of the 49ers newest additions. The team kicks off its rookie minicamp today, to go along with some veteran OTAs, and first round picks Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati begin the climb to hopefully bust through into the 49ers starting lineup. The 49ers biggest weakness last season was the offensive line, and the team definitely took the bull by the horns
My question is how long do you think it will take for each to get into the starting lineup? Since "game-changer" is a fairly vague term, particularly when it comes to offensive linemen, I think it'll be easiest to just discuss getting into the lineup. They're both in intriguing situations. Mike Iupati appears to be the closer of the two to being starter-worthy. Davis has a ton of upside, but there seem to be more concerns about some of his weaknesses.
However, if you consider the guys ahead of them on the depth chart (Adam Snyder and David Baas), Davis seems to have the weaker competition. Baas and Snyder both have their problems, but I feel more comfortable with Baas in the starting lineup than I do with Snyder. Thus, Davis would seem to have the clearer shot at a starting gig in that regard.
I honestly have no idea who will be starting first. Gun to my head, I'd say Iupati, but it wouldn't surprise me if Singletary decided to go with both in the starting lineup at the same time. When dealing with the delicate chemistry of the o-line, a single shake-up of both sides would be sort of the equivalent of tearing off the band-aid as quickly as possible. Then again, if either Baas or Snyder jumps out to a great training camp, maybe it forces Singletary to hold off on one of the two rookie offensive linemen.
What does everybody think?
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your first round pick/s are not starters by the end of the season (not counting injury or other such circumstances)… then I feel they were bad picks. I say that Davis and Iupati are going to be pushed to be starters come opening day.
Considering the Niners history
And NFL history for that matter, I’d have to agree with you. When you consider when guys like Staley and Barton were picked, it becomes even more apparent. They were both picked later in the first round than Davis and Iupati and they were starting in their first games as Niners (I’m 100% with Staley, not as sure with Barton.) But yeah, when it comes to OL’s a first rounder is drafted with the notion that he will be starting in a very short amount of time if not immediately. But it’s not to say that there won’t be some big time competition going on in training camp. I would hope there will be. I personally would be embarassed if a rookie came in and took my job from me!
107 days to go. . .
The best players on the field at all times...
Is Sing’s favorite saying. I don’t know exactly how complex our blocking schemes are going to be, but given where they were drafted, and their competition (or lack thereof) ahead of them, and how badly we as fans, along with the coaching staff will be salavating to get these new toys out on the field, I’d be willing to bet that Lupati, Davis, and Mays for that matter will all be starting the first week of the season.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Apr 30, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
as sanfranmdk said below
sometimes the younger guy will get in even if he isn’t quite as good as the veteran because it’s the only way he can get game experience and turn that corner.
depends on the gap in talent, but i’d say if it’s close, the rookie get’ s the start
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
I’d rather the rookies start immediately against a bad Seahawks team then have them play a good team half way through the season. In other words, why wait to start them when you could start them immediately and get expierence under their belts.
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by Hoopers Judge on Apr 30, 2010 11:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you i feel exactly the same all ive heard about these 2 O-lineman are that there 2 mean son of watch your mouth,
knowing that whats sing likes i think both will end up being starters and im totally cool with that.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 30, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Here is a way to look at it....
There are two options: You don’t put them in and the o-line struggles/sucks something awful, you lose game experience for them. Or you put them in, the o-line still sucks, but at least they have gained experience and are better for it. But like you said, that could all change if Baas and Snyder suddenly figure out how to be really good lol
Another thing is Solari and Brown will be working with the entire OL to improve them all
I imagine that they will be able to mold Iupati and Davis a bit easier than to undo what Foerster taught Snyder and Baas.
Let the OL of the Future (OLOF) be the OL of 2010.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Is it just me
Or didn’t snyder get off to a good start in training camp last year. I’m of the mind set that we already know what we got with synder and bass and I say we plug the rookies in as soon as possible. Man I wish that our schedule wasn’t so front heavy.
Front heavy is cool better 2 see what we got early by playing the better teams then playing bums
and whooping on them 2 later play good teams and start getting whooped on ,its better 2 show the NFL were foreal and you better come strapped up if toure going 2 beat us.
by jayjonna415 on Apr 30, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope Solari and Brown really work these guys
I’d really like for them to make the starting lineup in Week 1, so the O-Line has a long time to “gel” together.
Hopefully Synder gets pulled out of the lineup and out of the tackle position in general. I know he wanted to focus on just one position, but him at Tackle seems like a liability. Of course, Baas and Synder could become good this season, but I’d rather have our shiny draft picks getting game experience.
day 1
I’m with sanfranmdk. put them in immediately and let them figure it out with real experience. they’ll be game changers…whether good or bad remains to be seen, but it must be done.
With Davis, you put him in because he needs to be involved from the get. Don’t let him be on the outside looking in, it’s the best way to trump whatever motivation problems may lurk underneath the surface.
With Iupati, put him in right away to see what the big league linemen are like. Sure, there’ll be a learning curve there, but it will only make him nastier if he gets slapped around a bit. The bench won’t give you much of a mean streak.
STARTERS!!!
BOTH IUPATI AND DAVIS WILL BE IN THE STARTING LINEUP COME OPENING DAY!!!! THEY WILL AND SHOULD BE GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO SINCE WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR DIDN’T DO THE JOB THEY ARE BEING PAID HEAVILY TO DO!!!!I DON’T THINK SYNDER IS A TACKLE IS A GUARD AND THEY KEEP TRYING HIM AT DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND NOT LETTING HIM SETTLE IN AT ONE POSITION. I THINK THE STARTING O-LINE WILL BE: STALEY,IUPATI,HEITMAN, RACHAL AND DAVIS……….THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!
AAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHH I LOVE LAMP!!!!!
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Apr 30, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
ACTUALLY!!!!!!!!
I’VE HEARD IT A THOUSAND TIMES BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!
by Franchise55 on Apr 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
by return2greatness on Apr 30, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
KSWOF?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Apr 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Week 1 starters
I am 100% confident that both Davis and Iupati will be starting come preseason. For their selection spots, it’s almost guaranteed that they will start despite their deficiencies. As has been mentioned, we have essentially seen what their competition can do.
We’ll start with RT, since it’s unlikely Davis starts at LT as a rookie. Considering that Snyder has heard every talking head in the football world essentially call him the worst offensive lineman in the league, I have to imagine he’d be resigned to his fate as a depth player. Couple this with a transformed Alex Boone and a #11 overall pick at tackle, and he would be best served requesting to compete at RG during the ofseason. He still holds value as a swing guy who can fill multiple spots in emergency, but RG is essentially his only chance of starting. With that said, Baas can play either guard position and we already have a swing tackle, so Snyder might be gone altogether once the season starts. I’ll also add to the mix that we now have one of the best OL coaches in the league, and he should be able to whip the rooks into starting shape early.
Now we’l move over to LG, where incumbent David Baas is likely to see heavy competition from Iupati. Baas is really attempting to make a statement this offseason, but perhaps it’s too little too late. He participated in early OTA’s despite not signing his RFA contract. He wants to prove that he’s the guy for the future, but the Niners have already drafted the future in Iupati. This puts him into competition for the starting job this year, but it also puts him in position where he has to earn an extension beyond this season. He could arguably challenge Rachal at RG, but Rachal seems to be the future at that position. So his strongest statement could be to make a case as the swing interior lineman for gameday. That would require that he learn to play center most likely. It will be interesting to see what he can do this season, because he showed some improvement towards the end of last year. The real question is how long he can hold off Iupati for the starting job at LG.
Personally, I would love to see Baas become the swing interior lineman much like Wragge was last season, because I see more upside in him than I do from Snyder. As for Snyder, I hope he’s looking through the want-ads come early September.
I'm with you here:
I would love to see Baas become the swing interior lineman much like Wragge was last season, because I see more upside in him than I do from Snyder. As for Snyder, I hope he’s looking through the want-ads come early September.
Best case scenario would be that Alex Boone’s Body Transformation (that’s his full name now) becomes the Backup Swing-Tackle of the Future, Iupati, and Davis step in right away, and Baas takes over Wragge’s position. Baas only rounded into form in mid-season after dealing with a Nutcracker-induced Training Camp injury. If Baas starts the season with that form, Iupati may not start right away…but I’m still hoping he does.
So my best case scenario is this:
Starters: Staley, Iupati, Heitmann, Rachal, Davis
Back-ups: Barry Sims, Cody Wallace, Baas, Alex Boone(’s Body Transformation)
On the street: Tony Wragge, Adam Snyder
I’m open to Cody Wallace being out and Wragge staying, since Wallace hasn’t done anything other than be inactive. Wragge plays some Center, right? Doesn’t Baas, too?
The other alternative if Iupati steps in right away would be to see if we can shop Baas for a draft pick…
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Baas was a center in college
He should be able to play all 3 interior positions with some practice at RG.
Baas could beat out Wallace for backup center, and might even be a reasonable heir to Heitmann
This would be a best case scenario
He could be lured away after this season by a starting opportunity, same as Pashos was this offseason, but it’d be nice if we could retain him for experienced young depth who can move around the line.
by 9thevolution on Apr 30, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Along some of the lines you just pointed out, Snyder might get the few first starts at RG just to have an expierenced player playing next to Davis.
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by Hoopers Judge on Apr 30, 2010 11:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
NOOOOO....
I’d rather they swing Baas over to RG at that point and let him do it. However, continuity is key here, and sticking Rachal on the bench and bringing him in later will effect that continuity. I think that when preseason starts, they should have the starting line set. Starting OL generally plays the entire first half of preseason games, so it’ll give them time to face starters at this level and develop continuity, even if they are blocking for backups.
by 9thevolution on Apr 30, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Backups till mid season bye
The first part of the schedule is too brutal and too important to put in rookies. We are trying to go to the playoffs next year. I don’t want them to get hurt by being rushed in. Smith isn’t used to them either. I think Davis is going to take more work than some folks think. He’s only 20 years old. I’d to look at a free agent at end of career. They’ll be ready enough then for a playoff run.
by Vertigo on Apr 30, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
every one of your reasons for them not starting should be every reason in favor of them starting. We have tough games right off the bat, we want our stud offensive line rookies in there. What if we lose, Snyder gives up three sacks, Gore has 50 yards rushing…everyone will be calling for Sings head if Lupati and Davis arent in there.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Apr 30, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It's I-U-P-A-T-I. Pronounced U-Potty.
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by Hoopers Judge on Apr 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Right
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Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
Wrong
Singletary and Goodell both called him I-upati as in Eye-You-Pat-EE. Sing has had meetings with this guy and Goodell wouldn’t go to the podium unless he knew how to say their name. Mayock calls him Upati, but that is just not correct.
by ericalancanty on Apr 30, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually in his interview on 49ers.com Iupati said it is YU POT Y
There is no EYE in YU POT Y
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
this, the guy who actually owns the name
said it was pronounced You-Potty
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
How to remember the correct pronunciation
. o O(What I say to my daughter every few hours)
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00861/Potty-Training_280_861437a.jpg
107 days to go. . .
Here is from 49ers.com on how he pronounces his name.
On how he pronounces his last name:
"YOU-pah-tee
On the worst way that he’s heard it pronounced:
"Lu-pot-tee or eye-you-pot-tee."
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
OWNED
GET THE FUDGE OUT
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 30, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd for 20 years old...
kid makes me really nervous in that sense. Already playing with Twitter and has way too much money before a work ethic has been shown.
"He's so fast, he can turn off the lights and be in bed before it gets dark!" -- Lee Corso on Jahvid Best in NCAA 10.
I will say
I don’t necessarily like everything he RT’s on twitter. If he starts talkin too much about his money and cars once he signs…that’s a bad sign
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
two thoughts
1. Don’t declare a starter until after the last nut cracker drill ;)
2. Let Alex Boone compete!
by asmithisaverage on Apr 30, 2010 10:58 AM PDT reply actions
Experience is great, but...
There’s no need to rush them in just because they are 1st round picks. I personally believe Iupati has a better chance of starting from Day 1 since he’s sandwiched between Heitman and Staley, and therefore has a bit more help in pass protection. I don’t see him having any problems blasting guys off the line on the runs. Davis will probably take more time since he’s basically on an island on passing plays and we can’t afford to get our QB beat’n up. I see him sharing time, with Snyder being the “starter.” Davis takes his spot by the break.
by W.Tyler #26 Kicks @$$ on Apr 30, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
No more Snyder...
at least in a starting role. Wasn’t he statiscally the worst lineman in the league last year? At least the worst offensive tackle? I’m fine with him in a swing backup role, at tackle and guard, but I just don’t see us sitting Davis the first week of the season. Immaturity issues are blown out of proportion. Sing will take care of him, and from all accounts so far, it seems like Davis is ready to go to work. If he hasn’t had a terrible camp and preseason, I think he’ll be in there week 1.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Apr 30, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember when Spikes (?) came in...
He didn’t start from day 1. They let him learn the system and play a few games in a reserve role, before finally turning the reigns over to him. I certainly see Davis over Snyder, just not from Day 1. Then again, if he’s mauling guys in preseason, how can you hold him out? Either way, I can’t wait to see these two guys on the field!
by W.Tyler #26 Kicks @$$ on Apr 30, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Spikes????
Seriously? He was signed after training camp was over and coming to a completely different defense than he’d ever played in his 10 year career. That’s a really terrible comparison. I still think he started every game in his first season with the team.
by 9thevolution on Apr 30, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember
when Singletary said Crabtree would probably be worked in gradually, then he started in his first game. Perhaps we should expect the same scenario
Game Changer?
Are we talking about Iupati and Davis becoming starters or becoming game changers?
I would expect both of them to start in 2010, and I’d put odds that they both start right out of the gate. As for being a game changer, I think Iupati has the better chance of being a stud. He’s a powerful run blocker and deficiencies in pass protection can be better hidden in the interior of the line than at tackle.
Davis plays a position of higher impact, so if they both become pro-bowlers Davis will be the bigger game changer almost by default.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
starters
I mentioned in the post that it’s hard to call an offensive lineman a game-changer right out the gates. So for now, it’s a matter of when they’d start
by David Fucillo on Apr 30, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha
note to self, read carefully
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Apr 30, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
A.S.A.P
I would put in right away,that’s to much money to not play them, and they should make a hugh impact next year
I would hope...
Sing is smart enough not to start them simply because of the money. If they are not performing in preseason, I seriously doubt they’ll be in there every down. Sing wants FOOTBALL PLAYERS!
by W.Tyler #26 Kicks @$$ on Apr 30, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Starting lineups?
Iupati will be starting LG before the season starts. Davis might have to work his way into the the lineup. Our bye week is week 9—I expect that Davis will be full-time starter for sure after that point and proably before.
However, just being a starter doesn’t mean they’ll be impact players. Iupati will be an impact player earlier than Davis.
Take a look at this clip where he throws a 275 lb lineman around like a rag doll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDVj8KgmePA
I was right, you were wrong.
look at this one too
hard to see, bout a second after snap watch him push USC DT on his BACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWdvfRhTruw
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
about 1:50
the replay, he essentially takes on two guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhVxlK5cS8E
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
That is totally Awesome!!!!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Davis will start day one
Solari will have him ready. There is not way Adam Snyder will be over there. The only other alternative is to have Sims start the year out over there and I just think that when you invest a 11th overall pick on a player, they’re going to have the guy ready.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Also, I bet that Solari was a BIG influence in Davis and Iupati in the 1st round
He is going to give these two every chance to succeed. Since he was not here last year he will also look at all the veterans to see what they can do now… I would love to see Boone make is as the backup RT
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
If Davis doesn't start day 1 over Snyder
then it was a wasted pick
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 30, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Iupati will make an impact earlier then Davis but if Davis shines in camp he can be starting opening day also. Wouldn’t have a problem with both starting immediately.
Beat Em To The Punch - Bill Walsh
Snyder is Awful
I would rather see Simms start at RT, if it is not going to be Davis. Also, lets not forget about Boone. Baas is a solid back and Iupati will start from week 1. Davis maybe 4-5 games in.
Sims did great at LT last year. but horribly the year before at RT..
I hope Boone is the backup at RT
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Iupati is going to be a stud
Game changer, write it down. He runs THROUGH would-be tacklers like a defender is supposed to do. It’s a forgone conclusion to him that he’s going to shove the first guy out of the way or on his back while seeking out the second one. He’s so quick to the second level and he doesn’t quit running and shoving. His pass protection just needs some work, his hands mainly, he did have a tendency to clothesline guys rather than shove them out.
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
I'm telling you
He’s the next coming of Steve Hutchinson. Needs to work on his technique a bit but the guy has great feet and is incredibly powerful
I was right, you were wrong.
you got that right
it’s like watching a dozer in a junkyard full of cars.
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
I agree about Iupati, very excited to see him play.
I don’t think his technique is even that bad. He can get overly aggressive pass blocking at time, causing him to have his weight too far forward. With some hard work and a good O line coach, this problem should be fixable. It’s almost like he pass blocks like he run blocks.
And make no bones about it. He can run block like an [expletive].
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Apr 30, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem with his pass blocking technique
isn’t his balance or footwork, it’s his hand work. His hands tend to slip outside the pads and he has an issue with grabbing wich will get him flagged for lots of holding.
OTOH if he can knock opposing defensive players on their butt every time they come close he won’t need to worry about it.
I was right, you were wrong.
I think his hand positioning issue stems from his weight being too far forward. But I also haven’t watched a ton of film on him, so I’m not willing to press the issue too much.
Honestly, I hope you’re right. It’s a heckuva lot easier to fix a player’s hand placement than to break a tendency to be off balance pass blocking.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Apr 30, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
"game changers"
I believe that Iupati will come in and play at an all-pro level from day one, he wil make the pro bowl this season.
Both Davis and Iupati will start from day one, we are stronger at guard with Rachal and Baas, then at tackle with Snyder, this is why I believe Davis will start from day one. He may have his “rookie” struggles in terms of holding and false starts, but by seasons end Davis will be an extremely valuable member of that offensive line, from day 1 he is better than Snyder!!!
I want to touch on what the NFL Network said during the draft; the possibility that the 49ers will have
The best offensive line in the NFL in the near future.
Davis
Rachal
Heitmann
Iupati
Staley
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 30, 2010 1:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I do believe they said in 2011 they could have the best OL in football.
And I agree..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
if we replaced Heitmann in a year or two
and if Baas was gone, Staley would be the oldest at 26 or 27. That’s a nice future for an O-Line
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
Iupati pro bowl this season?
I can think of a few reason’s why that won’t happen
Steve Hutchingson
Jahri Evans
Leonard Davis
Duece Latui
Alen Faneca
etc…
Iupati could be a Pro Bowler in a couple years, but I seriously doubt it happens his rookie year over veterans like that.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Evans should be a lock, Davis probably, Hutchinson hasn’t missed a Pro Bowl since 2003. Can’t see any Cardinal linemen making it to the Pro Bowl in 2010.
I think Iupati has a good chance of making it at least as an alternate.
I was right, you were wrong.
I don't... not his rookie year
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
And I believe now that Faneca is back with Russ Grimm and Wisenhunt again, he has a really really good shot at being in the Pro Bowl this year.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Latui has come in to his own too. He could emerge as one of the best Guards in the NFC this year.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
first off
It is being reported that Latui may actually be an odd man out in Arizona with the acquisition of Faneca, so I don’t know how that is going to play out.
Leonard Davis and Seve Hutchinson are locks to start, but if Iupati comes in and shows he was deserving to be picked in the 1st round as a guard, he will get a ticket to the Pro Bowl. Iupati has everything working for him in terms of being a ten time all pro performer, and I see that playing out from day one
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 30, 2010 6:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why does everyone think that Davis
Does not possess the same amount of talent as Iupati? Davis has question marks about work and weight issues, not talent issues. Iupati is by far the best OG this year but just a good OT, Davis is a Great OT, imagine how he would be if he just played OG like Iupati. It requires a different skill set and a different way of playing. Davis and Iupati should get the starting reps in preseason for all 4 games to gain experience and I believe that they will both start. Mays will come in on a back-up basis, then be starting by mid season. Lewis will probably miss time due to injury.
Iupati is a little more polished run blocker
and doesn’t need to be quite as good of a pass blocker at Guard.
Davis has more athletic upside probably, probably…but needs some honing.
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
Don't think anybody is saying that
but Iupati is far more dominating right now. With good coaching Davis could quickly reach that level but out of the gate I expect Iupati to be more dominating.
I was right, you were wrong.
it hurts
to think that we spent the first pick of the 2nd round of the 2005 NFL Draft on………….David Baas
Unless he just tears it up this year…he’s looking like he’ll be unlikely to even dress out…unless he can play Center well enough to push Wragge off the roster
Niners O-Line: "Great Wall of Nine-uh"
He played Center in College.
Also, at this point.. 2005 doesn’t matter to me anymore except for Smith and I am hoping that he makes the 2005 a good one this year.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I just don't understand
We’ve been complaining that our OL has been dreadful all past year, so why Davis and Iupati cannot be starters from day 1?
Best lineman starts
It all comes down to who is the best out of the bunch. I don’t care if he is a rookie, 1st round draft pick, veteran, or all pro. The one who can run and pass block the best starts.Period!
Best 5 OL start, I don't understand all of the debate on not starting them.
Davis may be better than Staley, with no experience. Iupati is a guard and that can easily be a position to start at week 1. Iupati’s struggles will be with the English language if anything, but I doubt that is an issue anymore. Davis was heralded as being great off the snap and getting into position. After Pain, Nutcracker, and tutelage Both of these guys will be ready to start week 1. I would like to see the OL unit and SMith play at least a half in every game and that can be enough to get them ready. The unit as a whole needs as much toime together as possible and it would be dumb to not start them.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
I agree.. I think letting the OL play a half in each Preseason game will help them become a unit.
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I think that's an interesting question
I think Iupati is more NFL ready than Davis. I think he will be easier to plug into the lineup due to what is asked of him. He is already a LG, and one of the most “ready” pro prospects in the draft. However, with Davis, he is switching from LT to RT, thus a bigger adjustment than Iupati, and also I feel is a little more raw.
But the way you list it up top is, really, who is in the way of them starting? Synder should open the door WAY easier, thus making it seem like even if Davis isn’t ready per se, that he will be the starter sooner than Iupati who is going through Baas who was pretty decent towards the end of the year.
A question to think is, IF Davis wins the RT spot, does Baas play RG to save us from Davis and Rachal on the same side, to give us a Vet presence over there, thus forcing Iupati into LG role if he is remotely close to starting?
Davis
Plays a more difficult position than Iupati, by saying that Iupati will dominate from day one, I am not disrespecting Davis. It just means that #1 Iupati is more polished at this point and #2 he doesn’t play tackle. But to clarify, both will be in the starting lineup come opening day
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I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Apr 30, 2010 6:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, a college center can be NFL ready to play guard, if he has a decent football IQ and strength.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Chilo will start regardless of what the others do. He may have his job taken but from Day 1, he will start.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
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