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Is Vernon Davis the Best TE in the NFL?



After the Patrick Willis contract extension last week the focus quickly shifted to Vernon Davis getting his own deal done.  This prompted me to think about my opinion on the 49ers contract priorities.  Part of me (you can call it the Devil on my shoulder if you want) was saying "Vernon Davis is fast and can block...Delanie Walker is fast, maybe he can learn to be a better blocker?  Didn't we draft a blocking TE too?  Maybe two guys can make up for losing one?"

Yeah, I caught a lot of flack for throwing that idea out there to the 49er faithful.  Still, there seems to be two schools of thought on Davis.  The "Angel on the other shoulder" would say, "Vernon Davis is a freak.  The kind of TE you'll rarely ever see.  He is one of the best blockers in the NFL yet he is lightning fast and has good hands."

OK.  I locked up the two dudes sitting on my shoulder in a room and I'll get back to them later.

But basically I decided that Vernon Davis was more of a proven talent than Dashon Goldson, who I had ranked right up there with Davis as next in line for a contract extension.

So if the 49ers are to extend Davis, what's the cost?

Seems that his potential deal is being compared to the highest paid TE's in the game (Brent Celek, Dallas Clark, etc.), which begs the question: Is Vernon Davis the best tight end in the NFL?

Star-divide

Now I know that guys don't get the biggest contract because they are the absolute best there is, hands down...but I wanted to just get some of your takes on the subject.

Vernon Davis really came alive in 2009 after being injured and under utilized in previous seasons.  The question I would pose to you is do you fully expect a repeat performance (or better) in 2010 and beyond or is it too early to proclaim that Davis has "arrived"?

Will he consistently be one of, if not the best tight end in the league?  Does he deserve the largest contract of any TE currently in the league?

I look forward to your responses.

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Is Vernon Davis the best TE in the NFL?
Without question
96 votes
Too soon to tell
170 votes
Definitely not
19 votes

285 votes | Poll has closed

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You forget something....

Kellen Winslow II is the highest paid TE in the NFL. The Bucs kinda screwed the pooch on that deal.

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by TexansDC on May 10, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

As for "best TE in the NFL"

He’s gotta do it consistently. 1 season does not the best make.

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by TexansDC on May 10, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, answer the rest then

do you expect him to repeat his 2009 performance, or close?

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by Tre9er on May 10, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

As with every question about the 2010 Niners...

It falls on the shoulders of Alex Smith. Being the TE does give VD an advantage since he’ll be that safety blanket. I think/hope he’ll have a top-5 season.

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by TexansDC on May 10, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Alex Smith made him a Pro-Bowler. I'm sure he can do it again.

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by Hoopers Judge on May 13, 2010 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

He did not.

He was on his way, maybe not 13 td’s but 8 would have made it.

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by rlott#42 on May 14, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that the official threshold? Lol!

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by Drew Kerr on May 15, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

He had one good season.. “the best TE”…that title cannot be placed on him just yet.. too soon to tell.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on May 10, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

VD and Winslow are similar in some ways. Both double threats blocking and catching, physically imposing, bit of a hot head, one dominant year and some injury blips.

The difference being Winslow had no fans within his organization that wanted him back. He’s also the guy who cost himself a season of football doing tricks on a moped. Winslow probably hasn’t lived up to that contract because he was sent to NFL Siberia (Tampa Bay). Essentially he was used as golden wrapper for packaging that turd management sold to the Tampa fan base.

by bignerd on May 10, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

I’d rec it if I could on my BB

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by Tre9er on May 10, 2010 7:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

ask this again same time next year

and i’d be willing to bet it’s atleast 98% yes, I voted to soon just because i want to see him do it again but better. Remember VD should have had 15 or 16 TD’s. If he can develop his hands like crabs to snatch balls instead of cradle them in (which he does work with a juggs machine everyday) he’ll be the best no doubt. For me i still think gates clark and celek show more consistent hands.

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by DreZ on May 10, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this point I'd say no

he still has way too many dropped balls. He’s top five for sure, and if his 2010 season is like his 2009 season than yeah I think he deserves mention as being the best in the NFL.

Right now I wouldn’t call him that.

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by smileyman on May 10, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

do you think he'll end up top paid TE?

and I’m assuming it’s the 49ers who sign him, before he becomes a UFA

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by Tre9er on May 10, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll be close

top deals so far for TE seem to be about $35 million give or take.

I’m sure we can find that much money in the budget for one of our most potent weapons.

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by smileyman on May 10, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem the 49ers have is that they don't have many offensive weapons

If the 49ers lose Davis they’re left with Gore and an emerging Crabtree and that’s it. Plus the 49ers offense puts more emphasis on TE play than a lot of other offenses which makes Davis more valuable to the 49ers than he is to some of the other teams out there. A part of me is nervous about giving him a huge contract but another part of me feels he is very important to the 49ers future. A contract in the area of 6-7 million a year with 20-22 guaranteed feels about right.

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by urnext on May 10, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Well Davis

Has requested the following extension. This was reported via PFT

Per Maiocco, Davis has requested a five-year, $40 million contract, with $25 million guaranteed.

That would round out to 8 million a year. I say the deal gets done and he gets a 5 year 36 million with 18 guaranteed

he isnt the best yet but if he keeps up the work he will be

by SuspendingBJ on May 10, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Vernon is the best tight end in the league

As long as Alex Smith improves his game and continues to gain chemistry with VD, they will be a potent combo for years to come. Vernon will repeat his 2009 performance or at least get close and he will lead the team in all the receiving catergories. He deserves to be paid.

by Willy G on May 10, 2010 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Vernon should only get better.

With Ginn’s ability to stretch the field and Crabtree’s emergence, Davis should find his routes to be nearly corner free. And there are’nt many safeties that can hang with his speed, so I would expect Vernon to have another pro bowl year. If he puts back to back PB’s together he “might” just be the best in the NFL!

by mensa on May 10, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he is the best.

He is on the rise, while the only other TEs that stand in his way are not in very good shape (Owen Daniels had season-ending surgery last season, and Antonio Gates is almost thirty and past his prime). Davis is currently the most dangerous TE in the league.

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by SSC24 on May 10, 2010 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

He has all the tools

to be the best TE in the league but at this point he not the best. He still has to put together some consistant years but he’s well on his way. Its vital they sign him but he has to continue to grow and be a leader for the team.

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by Desi on May 10, 2010 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

another layer to this

Is for Delanie Walker to keep getting better at his route running and blocking. Can you even imagine the mismatches with two TE’s who can both block or toast a LB/Safety on a pass route? Line up bunched then flex both out to a 4-wide look…if the defense is in base they are hosed. Heck, even Nickel they got a CB on one of the TE’s…defenses would have to pick a player to cover and take their chances that the other 3 wouldn’t beat single coverage.

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by Tre9er on May 10, 2010 7:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

At this point

He’s not the best in the NFL from a numbers stand point. Truthfully however, I think it would be scary to have him in a pass happy offense with an elite QB. I think we havent even come close to seeing what Vernon can really be.

And please all those who are trying to say Delanie can replace Vernon just stop. Walker is a great athlete but is no where near Vernon’s athletic capability. It would be like dropping Chris Johnson for Frank Gore because you wanted to save money. Vernon’s our number one passing option, the best athlete on the team and a team captain. The contract he’s asking for isn’t to outlandish, hopefully its smaller, and he will be the most dominant TE for the next decade.

by Ivang101 on May 10, 2010 7:23 PM PDT reply actions  

But as for the present

IMO Vernon is second, maybe third. But you just can’t compete with Dallas Clark and his uses in Indy. Another year like 09’ and he will be the best though.

by Ivang101 on May 10, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

In VD’s defense Dallas Clark doesn’t block. He simply a receiver that lines up in at TE. In some ways I see that as comparing a 3-4 DE to 4-3 DE.

by bignerd on May 10, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

I think Dallas Clark is the best receiver playing at his size. He’s not going to block a 260+lb. guy to the ground very often though. I don’t think VD was far off in saying if he put on 50lbs. he could be an elite Left Tackle (probably wouldn’t even need all 50lbs.)

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by Tre9er on May 11, 2010 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely Not

Antonio Gates is still the best TE in the NFL. Dallas Clark and Jason Witten are also both clearly better IMO. After those 3 you could make an argument, but I would put another few guys ahead of Vernon personally.

Davis has only had one good season, and even in that season only 60% of the passes thrown his way were completed. His yards and TD’s are shiny, but they threw the ball to him a ton.

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by microwave donut on May 10, 2010 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Witten?

He’s overrated.

I’d take Vernon Davis over Witten in a heartbeat.

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by SportsChicken on May 12, 2010 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Witten has better hands now

Davis will have better hands by the end of this season

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by smileyman on May 12, 2010 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw Witten drop some pretty catchable balls last year. He dropped a fairly significant one in their last playoff game, if I’m thinking of the right game.

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by Drew Kerr on May 12, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

V.D., the best...hmmmmmmmm.....

There are 2 things that a TE’s are expected to do well. Block, and catch TD’s. The biggest problem for TE’s is their proclavity for getting injured. As far as I can see, TE’s are so pro for injuries that most NFL teams keep them on a short leash when it comes to contracts (outside of KW II) Looking at the current crop of top TE’s in the league, only Antonio Gates of the Chargers and Dallas Clark of the Colts, haven’t been hit by injury year in and year out.

Thus, with those 2 as a starting point. I would say that V.D. is probably the 3rd best right now. Clark and Gates are HUGE parts of their teams offenses respectively. And as such they should be the litmus test by which V.D. is measured. Davis, for all of his 3 yrs in the league, by some folks account, is still raw. Has more than enough upside to continue to skyrocket. His potential is only limited by the arm throwing to him and the system he plays in.

In essence, I think he definately has played himself into a position that sits between the 1st and 2nd best contract in the league, and is worth every penny. But, I bristle slightly at the habit of paying TE’s tons of money, due to their chances of getting injured. (Going over the middle and getting hit by LB’s for 2 hrs every week wears on a guy.) Thus locking up a sizable amount of your cap, and then being on the sidelines. Congrats V.D….but, you have been warned.

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by DarkkStarr1 on May 10, 2010 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Clark and Gates aren’t as susceptible to injury because they aren’t asked to block defensive linemen. It is a physically demanding position with injury concerns but Clark and Gates aren’t drinking milk, just skipping past he physically demanding part.

I think Witten and Winslow are closer comparisons to VD.

by bignerd on May 10, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

VD is a better athlete than Witten

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by SportsChicken on May 12, 2010 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to disagree.....

But, even a chip block, is just that…..A BLOCK! The area that most TE’s get injured at is “going over the middle.” The land mostly resided by LB’s of all shapes, sizes, and tackling ability. Getting shoestring tackled by a guy of Merriman or R. Lewis’ ability, is no where near as dangerous as a tackle by a snd or 3rd string guy who is simply trying to make an imppression on his coaches. For a debilitating injury to occur to happen, all that is required is chance, and opportunity.

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by DarkkStarr1 on May 12, 2010 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you remember the Houston game

VD went over the middle on one of his TDs and got hammered hard by two DBs. He ended bruising a rib or a lung (had to be helped to the sideline), but still came back to score another TD.

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by smileyman on May 12, 2010 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Davis was the BEST TE last year.

He must continue his production this year and every year to be considered the best TE. He is without a bought the most talented and gifted TE in the Game. He needs to focus on the game and not his wallet. He was drafted high so his rookis contract has given him much money. 5 years 40 million and 25 guaranteed, is way too steep. Less money and they should be able to get a deal done.

by ericalancanty on May 11, 2010 12:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I would disagree that he was the best TE last season

I think he needs to cutdown on his penalties (12 flags on VD), improve his blocking, and improve his catch rate (67.2% caught, while dropping a league TE leading 13 passes).

His stats are nice, but if you’re only using that…
Clark, Witten, Gonzalez, and Gates had more receptions.
Gates, Clark, Witten, and Brent Celek had more yards.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blocking isn’t on the stat line though… and I would say without flinching that Davis is a better blocker than any of the guys you list there. Gates is probably the closest, but not as good. If you add that in to the equation, then it seems very favorable for Davis being the best. I still voted, “too soon to tell” but the more I think about it, the more I think I voted wrong.

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by Drew Kerr on May 11, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

blocking isn’t on the stat line.

However, I would probably say that Witten or Miami’s Anthony Fasano are the best blocking TEs given how easily those 2 teams run. Of course, that’s a bit of opinion since there’s no hard stats on that.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

There are 3 types of TE’s in the NFL. Pass catchers, Blockers, and “Tweeners”. It all depends on the needs of the team that they play for. As was stated, Fasano is great for the Dolphins, as he is a better blocker than other TE’s such as Witten, Gates, or Clark. However, I don’t think that he would be as effective as aforemetioned TE’s because they are all better pass catchers and runners than Fasano. Lucky for the Niners, they drafted Davis, who is a great Tweener, and does both block and receive rather well.

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by DarkkStarr1 on May 12, 2010 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've often felt that Davis could put on 50lbs

and make an excellent lineman

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by smileyman on May 12, 2010 3:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he said that

and I have to agree, though it’s be a putrid waste of hands.

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by Tre9er on May 12, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

His stats are nice, but if you’re only using that…
Clark, Witten, Gonzalez, and Gates had more receptions.
Gates, Clark, Witten, and Brent Celek had more yards.

At the end of the day, the team that has the most points wins. VD lead the league in recieving TD’s.

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by Hoopers Judge on May 13, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

The Colts, Cowboys, Falcons, Chargers, and Eagles all had more wins than the 49ers last season.

by ZeroOneInfinity on May 15, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he is

VD is the best TE in the NFL if not for Mike Martz using him as a slot receiver and he was blocking 50% of the time he would have had pro bowl numbers that year. Yes he was there at tops of the league in dropped passes but to Tie the NFL TD record for TE goes to show how a rare talent like this should be utilized. He is by far the most complete TE in the Game and is the fastest VD is a FREAK… Niners better get a deal done before the season starts and have him Blow uo this season and see his value jump to where the niners would be bidding against some stupid team wiling to pay him some ridiculous amount of money that the niners cant afford with all the other guys that have contracts ending. GET IT DONE NINER FO

by EcERyda69 on May 11, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Davis is the best TE in the league because he can play in any system.

He could play in a high passing system and running system. he is the most versatile. Clark isn’t even top 3 because he cannot block, he is a big slow WR playing TE in a pass heavy offense and couldn’t start in a run heavy offense. Gates was number 1, Gonzalez was 2 and Davis 3, but after last season, Gates 2, Gonzalez out of top 5 and Davis 1, and Owens is overrated.

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by rlott#42 on May 11, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

That's not a very good argument

I could say that Jake Long is the best LT in the NFL because he’s a great run blocker but agile enough to stop the best pass rushers so he could be in a passing offense. It doesn’t matter that a player can play anywhere because proving that you are the best, you have to do it on the field. The only thing Davis did better than other TEs was catch more touchdowns. Clark is utilized to his strengths in the offense he is in and does great because of that. You are going to dock the guy because he is doing what he can? Do agree that Steven Jackson is one of the best RBs in the league even though he doesn’t have breakaway speed?

Also, which Owens is overrated?

by ZeroOneInfinity on May 11, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

think he meant Owen Daniels

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by Tre9er on May 11, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well in that case

I don’t think Daniels is one of the best TEs in the league but he is good. Anyone saying that he is best in the league is mistaken. But you cannot deny that he is a great receiving TE and easily top 10 when it comes to TEs.

by ZeroOneInfinity on May 11, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

what about whats-his-name from Seattle?

the Notre Dame kid was it? Wasn’t he supposed to be the second coming of someone?

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by Tre9er on May 11, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlson didn't get many opportunities last year

SEA had to go with a 6-man line a lot last year.

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by SportsChicken on May 12, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

That

He and Dallas Clark are great receiving TEs, but overall have struggles in run blocking.

If you wanna talk overrated, well…this will spark the conversation some. Find Vernon Davis.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

how can his pass and run blocking

both be negatives? What is used to determine those ratings?

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by Tre9er on May 12, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The blocking ratio is the one that's most puzzling

I’m assuming it would be based on someone watching each play and seeing what a player did….but those numbers just seem really low…really, really low.

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by TexansDC on May 12, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, he's always been known for his blocking

so I find it hard to believe he’d rank so horrific in the categories.

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by Tre9er on May 12, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Davis is the best TE in the league.

If a player can’t play in any system I’m not gona call them best.

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by rlott#42 on May 12, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

QB is not a TE.

Besides what NFL QB can play the option offense in the NFL? You may say V Young, but not without CJ.

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by rlott#42 on May 12, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

rlott#42

I’m just messing with you about the Manning comment because you did say a player, not TE so you left that opening. I think you are being a little bit of a homer and should hold back on naming Davis the best right now. He has the potential to be the best, but he is not playing to his full potential yet.

I think it would be fun and interesting to see someone post on other blogs who they think the best TE in the league is. Or even have them rank top 5.

by ZeroOneInfinity on May 12, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see your top 5.

More receptions and yards but Daivs played half the season with Hill. None of these other TE’s had to deal with our QB issue, yeah he dropped some passes and lead the league and was the most productive despite that. He is the best TE in the league, Gates had spells of nothingness and Clark is 1 dimensional, he is not a good blocking TE. Davis is the best all around TE.

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by rlott#42 on May 14, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not gonna mention Jason Witten?

He caught more passes, had more yards, had a better catch %, fewer drops, and plays in a system where they also run the ball pretty well.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

he plays for

those we don’t speak of

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by Tre9er on May 11, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

it pains me to admit it…but overall, he does a great job.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

I actually would put him in the discussion for sure. He’s not as fast as VD but he’s a good route runner and big and tough as a blocker

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by Tre9er on May 11, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah....

However if VD simply raised his catch rate from 67.2% to 75-80% it probably wouldn’t even be a discussion.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I think that's what a lot here are hoping for

I think some are too adamant in naming Davis the best already, but if he can improve on last year, it’s no question that he’ll be the best in the league. As of right now though, he’s not the best.

And yes, I would definitely name Witten as the most complete TE right now.

by ZeroOneInfinity on May 11, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heck....

if he raises his catch rate to 80%….his numbers look like this (based on his averages of 12.4 YPC and 13% TD rate)

93 receptions for 1,153 yards and 16 TDs

Just getting it up to 80% takes him into the conversation as best pass catching threat….

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at his per game stats. He was consistent but 4 catches for 40 yards per game isn’t making much of an impact. He is one of the best TE and was injured last season but his overall stats are highly misleading. He was invisible in the Dallas offense most of last season except for an occasional check down pass.

by bignerd on May 11, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

So because he has the occassional small game....

it devalues his big season. So how would you defend these VD games:

5 for 40 yards, 2 for 32 yards, 3 for 16 yards, 3 for 43 yards…

That leaves out games of 3/43, 3/20, 3/34, and 3/18 and I’ll leave them out because he got a TD in each one.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because that was Witten’s entire season. I think he had one good week. I had him on two fantasy teams, he killed me at TE.

by bignerd on May 11, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only because he scored 2 TDs

His recs and yards are great though, but it definitely looks like Romo went to his Romosexual WRs.

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by TexansDC on May 11, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He rarely made big plays

He got all his stats off check-downs.

Miles Austin was a much better target.

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by SportsChicken on May 12, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's also slow

And won’t score 13 TDs

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by SportsChicken on May 12, 2010 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted that he's the best

It may be due in part to homerism but here was my thinking:

First of all we all know he tied the single season TD record for TE’s. That’s an incredible accomplishment and if it’s not legit, I don’t know what is.

Secondly, we also know that he is a great blocker and you cannot undervalue that. He is better at this than his competition is. I wonder how many more times our QB’s would have gotten sacked with out him here over last few years. I wonder if Gore would have had three straight seasons of 1,000+ yards without him here. His elite blocking skills are invaluable, especially to this team that has needed it so badly.

Third, his size and speed combo create matchup problems that no other TE in league can. I think people are undervaluing this. He’s bigger and faster that Witten, Gonzales, Clark, etc. There is basically no one in the league that can really cover this guy over the middle except maybe our very own Patrick Willis. Line him up outside and you have to use your best and fastest CB and usually this still doesn’t work because VD is bigger. This is why he had more TD’s than any other TE in ‘09 and it’s why he will have a ton next year as well. The matchup problems he creates benefits our offense immensly and in so many ways.

Sure he can drop a few less balls, but Vernon Davis blocks better, catches more touchdowns, is bigger and faster and let’s not forget his work ethic and newfound leadership skills. I think the combination of these things makes him the best TE in the league right now.

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by madmatt on May 11, 2010 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

He's not bigger than any of those guys...

Of the players you listed, Davis only outweighs Gonzalez. Gonzalez is taller than Davis by a few inches though. Witten is taller & heavier, and Clark is heavier.

I’m not trying to downgrade Davis, but there’s no point in making stuff up about him. I think Davis is great, but I wish he were a better pass catcher. Most of his success seems to come from one route: the seam. Hey, if that’s what works, stick with it, but eventually you’d think teams would find a way to take that away from him. He doesn’t seem to adjust well to misthrown balls. Passes that are entirely catchable end up clunked.

That said, his blocking is amazing and he is an incredible big play threat, if he can just secure the ball. If he develops as a pass catcher, then he’s just as good, if not better than some of the other top guys.

PS Jimmy Raye… please use VD as a screen pass option more often!

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by dutra on May 13, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

He did catch 78 passes. That is not a small amount.

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by rlott#42 on May 14, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is the best

Neither Clark, Gates, nor Witten can block like Davis does. Now he has incorporated catching ability to it. At this point he is the best TE in the NFL.

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by maveric_87 on May 11, 2010 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Witten can block, sometimes better than VD. Gates isn’t asked to block much these days seeing he’s always nursing an injury.

by bignerd on May 11, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Witten cannot block like VD.

Otherwise he would’nt be Tony Homos numero uno in receiving.

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by maveric_87 on May 11, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that Witten isn't the blocker VD is.

But your argument makes no sense. VD led the team in catches this last year. Does that mean he’s not as good at blocking as himself because he was Alex Smith’s Numero Uno?

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by madmatt on May 11, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

See the 49ers 2008 season.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on May 12, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

Why would I be looking at the ‘08 season? Not sure I understand if you’re agreeing w/me or not. I know that in the Martz offensive system VD didn’t get utilized as the pass catching threat that he is and was used primarily as a blocker half the time.

I can't wait for Mango's sig to say "0 days to go".

by madmatt on May 12, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Davis

I’d argue Vernon Davis is the most dynamic, and arguably the best playmaker among all the tight ends. Dallas Clark and Jason Witten are both beasts as well, and might be better at this point in time. But I think the upside of Davis is higher than either of them, and by a fairly decent margin. He combines a size, speed and athleticism that neither Witten or Clark can match.

At this point, it’s a matter of Davis maximizing that potential on a consistent basis. He had a great 2009, but not it’s a matter of working on the drops, and becoming a consistent threat year in and year out.

by David Fucillo on May 11, 2010 5:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Vernon Davis has pretty good hands

49ers need to try and keep Vernon, Vernon Davis is your no#1 receiver, plus your leader on offense. and he probably will end up being the best TE in the NFL

by clrncbll on May 12, 2010 6:56 AM PDT reply actions  

All this talk about VD being one of the best

will make it awfully difficult for me to steal him in the late rounds in fantasy drafts lol

by makola on May 13, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

he'll go early

unless your league is full of people who don’t follow football. Then, they’ll take Tony Gonzalez and Jason Witten and the bigger names.

Last year Slaton went high, Pierre Thomas, guys who had just played well for one season prior. Davis will be no different.

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by Tre9er on May 13, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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