49ers safety Taylor Mays: Game-changer in 2010?
by David Fucillo on May 14, 2010 10:00 AM PDT
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First off, apologies for my absence lately. I'm at a wedding in Atlanta, and while I'm getting the occasional post up, Ninjames and smileyman are providing much of the material through this weekend. Big thanks to them, and all the other contributors while I'm gone. In the meantime, we're back with the third in a series of bi-weekly posts looking at "game-changing moves" made by the 49ers this offseason. We first looked at the addition of Ted Ginn prior to the draft, which should make for some intriguing potential in the punt return game, for the first time since Allen Rossum's first year with the 49ers. Two weeks ago we took a look at the 49ers two 1st round picks, OT Anthony Davis and OG Mike Iupati.
Today I thought we'd open up some more Taylor Mays discussion. For being a USC guy (and thus a West Coast player), the talk about Mays has quieted down a little bit lately. I suppose that's due in part to it being the offseason and being as he's not a quarterback, he doesn't fall into the Alex Smith discussion. However, he is a guy that will make some kind of impact in 2010 for the 49ers. Whether it be on special teams, or in the secondary, Taylor Mays will be on the field in 2010. Even if he doesn't become a starting safety in year 1, his big-hitting nature would seem perfectly suited for special teams work. He's the kind of guy that the gunner role was meant for.
After the jump, I've got a pair of questions that have me curious. I've also posted a poll in relation to the questions.
The first question is the always basic, do you think Mays will be a starting safety at some point in 2010? Although I've heard the occasional mention of linebacker work (a'la Brian Urlacher's conversion), it would seem that at this point in time, he has been brought in to be a safety. The good thing for the 49ers is that apparently the two safety roles can often be somewhat interchangeable. With Michael Lewis, the 49ers have left him down in the box more in run support because that is where he excels. However, if Dashon Goldson is to be believed, the nature of the Manusky 3-4 allows the safety roles to rotate.
Given all that, it would seem that the man Taylor Mays will eventually replace is Michael Lewis. Some folks have spoken about moving Goldson to strong safety, but for now, let's just work with the idea that Lewis will be replaced and Mays will be in the starting lineup in some form or fashion. If that's the case, how long will it take to make that happen? Furthermore, will Lewis be replaced because of injury or ineffectiveness? At this point, if Goldson can continue to improve, I don't think Lewis loses his job because of ineffectiveness. When healthy, he is excellent in run support. The problem has been the concussions. If he suffers a concussion in 2010, I think we see him taking a seat for a while given the NFL's attempts to care for their concussed players.
The second question would be, how soon do the 49ers hope to see Mays in the starting lineup? If he puts up a very strong training camp and Michael Lewis is healthy and playing well, how do you work it? Do you platoon the position? Do you stick with the veteran as long as he's healthy? Part of it would seem to depend on how you feel about Michael Lewis coming off the bench. It worked well for Mark Roman last year in part because Michael Lewis dealt with a lot of injuries. Additionally, while Roman can struggle, he also seems to be a more well-rounded safety. He's not as good in run support as Michael Lewis, but one could argue he's better in pass support.
So given all that, will Mays be in the starting lineup in 2010, and if so, what's the cause of his move into the starting lineup: injury or ineffectiveness? If you don't think he makes it into the starting lineup in 2010, what kind of role do you envision for him this season?
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Can he cover?
Mays needs to demonstrate coverage skills, not just big hits and recovery speed. If he can cover he’s going to be in the starting lineup very quickly. For some reason though, he wasn’t asked to cover receivers in college so that is a bit worrisome.
by asmithisaverage on May 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions
Well
It’s not like Lewis is some coverage maven. Mays is basically a younger, healthier, more athletically gifted Lewis with room to grow. I think Mays starts from Day 1.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
perhaps
I don’t necessarily disagree but I like veteran wile in a safety who isn’t asked to drop into “risky” coverage schemes. What I am really saying is Mays needs to be more than Lewis, not just Lewis with an upside, if he is going to bust into the starting lineup early.
by asmithisaverage on May 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't make sense
If he is just Lewis with upside, why wouldn’t you play him over Lewis with no upside?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
because veteran wile is immeasurable
and upside is only potential.
by asmithisaverage on May 14, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Veteran gamers for the win
Just ask Bruce Bochy…
Mays wasn’t asked to cover at SC, mostly due to scheme as I understand it. If Goldson is the ballhawk we think he is/can be, Mays steps in and does Michael Lewis’ job by week 4. He’s got to be the 2nd best athlete on the defensive side of the ball behind Patrick Willis… which is saying something.
I’m as pumped as anybody about Davis and Iupati in the 1st round, but I think Mays is special, not to mention the sizeable chip on his shoulder. He’s the player I wanted most in this past draft and I think he’ll show his dangerous skills sooner than later.
He's actually a much better athlete than Patrick Willis
Mays could very well be the best athlete in the history of the NFL. He’s not half the football player P. Willy is though. Clever coaching and deft manipulation of the lineups in different packages will have Mays on the field in as many advantageous matchups as they can possibly get him in.
Supposedly he’s been doing yoga since the start of last year to try to loosen up his hips so he can adjust and react faster.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean this is a 230 lb dude
who ran milliseconds slower than Jacoby Ford. His official time at the combine was completely wrong and even Dan Patrick says its incorrect and he ran much faster. 230 lbs running between a 4.28 and a 4.32. Ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhYKZHKh4Q
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing with you but...
“even Dan Patrick says it’s incorrect…”
that’s kinda funny…
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Rookie gumption to prove he belongs is also immeasurable
As is chip on shoulder-itis from his perceived Pete Carroll slight. As you can see, two immeasurables > one, therefore Mays > Lewis.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Because he's not Lewis with upside
Lewis doesn’t miss tackles.
Mays whiffs all the time.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 14, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
But he’s also much faster and more athletic than Lewis, so he’ll be in position to make more plays.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
And miss the tackles.
It’s a classic “upside” vs “veteranism” debate. In the NFL, veteranism usually wins out because it’s about execution… especially on defense.
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 14, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He's going to miss every tackle?
He must be the Fred Lewis of football.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Yes because when he ran Jahvid Best down
and prevented him from getting the corner he missed that tackle too right?
Oh wait… He doesn’t miss every tackle.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Says you?
Even though Lewis is slow he was always in position to make a play.
Why? Because he knows the defense inside-out.
Can you say the same about Mays?
Hell, he pushed Chris Johnson out of bounds to prevent a TD on one occasion.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 15, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Says the games.
Lewis was always around the ball and constantly made plays.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 16, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree that Mays is similar to Lewis but blessed with more speed… I don’t think the question is “can he cover?”, but rather “does he make proper reads so we don’t give up long touchdowns?”. Physically, he’s more than capable of blanketing any tight end (not named Vernon Davis, of course), and more capable than Lewis at covering receivers/backs due to his speed.
Don’t think he’ll start from Day 1, though. System familiarity and experience are important and he has neither of those just yet.
Lewis is a much better tackler
And he knows the defense.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 14, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He can't
cover in man situations. He will only see the field when we playing zone this season.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/taylor%20-mays?id=494283#tabs:tab-watch
His DRAFT video shows his weakness in cover skills man to man but he can do ok in zone. His highlight/lowlight video on youtube shows a lot of bad angles on passes over the middle.
These are things he will need to improve before he sees the field in a starting capacity.
All that said, I really like Mays and I hope he can play to his incredibly high potential.
by crumpedup15 on May 14, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Plz never again
Say anywhere that mark roman is a better well rounded safety than anyone, he is a bum loser who does nothing but get burned in the secondary
On the contrary taylor mays has a size/speed combo that no other safety in the nfl has, hits like a truck and is an all around beast, he will crack the starting lineup by week 4 at the latest
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It's because we haven't seen him play an NFL game yet
I would not mind seeing him out there from the beginning. But at this point I’m going to say he won’t start from day one and I don’t think that was necessarily the expectation when we drafted him. He will be inserted frequently in different situations to get the experience and depending on what kind of presence and impact (in some cases literally) he makes on the field, he should be starting by the middle of the season. He may have to get in there by default because of someone going down to injury or ineffectiveness, but of course I would want that to be the least likely reason for it happening.
93 days to go. . .And contrary to popular belief, sadly I do not have ESP.
I give it a few weeks before he starts.
With the OTA’s, training camp, preseason, and the first few games of the season, I think/hope he will learn to cover better than Michael Lewis. The kid learns fast as he showed at the Senior Bowl. Give him the first two or three games to get used to the speed of the NFL and he starts the rest of the season. We cannot afford to keep his speed on the sidelines as he will be the only one who can catch guys like Roddy White after Clements gets burned.
I can't wait for Mango's sig to say "0 days to go".
that
last sentence is true
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Isn't Patrick Willis still faster than Mays?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 14, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
NO
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Mays had a 4.4 officially
Willis ran a 4.38.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 15, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Mays official time was BS, and we have all seen the footage.
There's no Santa Clause?? I'm going on a rage infuriated streak!!
They simulcammed him with Ford right (or Holliday)?
And Ford beat him by quite a bit.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 15, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It was 4 people and one o them ran an official 4.35 and he beat them.
It was a fan shot a few weeks back. Ford was the only one faster and he ran a 4.28
There's no Santa Clause?? I'm going on a rage infuriated streak!!
Are you serious?
I only saw when they simulcammed Rich Eisen with Jacoby Ford and Mays with Ford.
I never saw Mays with 3 other players.
Link please?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 16, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
nvm on the link
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 16, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ford was all of about 1 stride ahead of him
Mays ran under 4.34
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2010 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Here is the simulcast
its very close between Mays and Ford
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2010 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhYKZHKh4Q
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2010 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Woah
Nice.
Still doesn’t mean he’s better than Lewis though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 16, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Right because 4.38 and 4.4 aren’t close.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 15, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
When in reality
Mays ran close to a 4.30
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2010 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions
4.38- 4.4 not even close to 4.5
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
His Official time was 4.38
But he ran faster than Jahvid Best at the combine. Best had a time of 4.35. ESPN had something to say about his 40 time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhYKZHKh4Q&feature=related
The fact is the NFL changed his time.
by ericalancanty on May 14, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
We're talking about Willis
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
His lack of "coverage" ability is a huge misconception anyway
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
In a way thats true
I’ve never seen Mays ever do anything like jam and truly go man-to-man so how can we know how his true coverage ability is.
His problem is he doesn’t read well enough yet to be a ball hawking safety. All the physical abilities are there, he just needs to increase his football acumen a bit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s not true. When he has been given the chances to, he’s picked the ball off.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I mean more
He still can get fooled more than you would want a coverage FS to get fooled. I think he has the athletic tools to be fantastic if he can diagnose plays and read the QB more instinctively. That comes with time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, that makes sense. But the same could be said for any player coming in if you think about it.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Very true
I think Mays was behind Thomas and Berry as QBs of a secondary. I believe he has a higher ceiling if he gets the mental game than perhaps anybody in the secondary since Ronnie Lott
As a boom/bust player I don’t think you could take that with our 13th pick and was risky at 17… But at 49 he is an unbelievable steal.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well the pressure of living up to 1st round selection won't be there for him.
He will go in to the season with an “only can go up” type of mentality.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
And the
Pete Carroll lied to me… Told me to play a style that cost me millions of dollars and draft position… then took a pro job in my home town and passed on me to take another guy that plays the same position chip on his shoulder
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It can provide focus or provide a weakness
Comes down to what he has inside of him.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Mays doesn't need to QB our secondary, that is for Goldson and later for Mays, maybe.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
True dat
I just want to see him knock some heads off. With big hitters like Goldson and Mays back there, their presence alone can make a play in the passing game against receivers. A good example can be found on Youtube by typing in Ted Ginn, lol
Mays was not put in a position to make plays or play press coverage or anything to show his versatility.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
this
plus, how much Man coverage did Goldson get involved in in 2009? We don’t expose our safeties like that whenever possible. He wont be asked to match up on anyone but a TE or RB when possible.
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And he should have NO problem matching up to a TE
Close to same size, and 100 times faster, unless it’s V Davis. I think he is going to learn a LOT covering that guy in practice.
We need man coverage from our safeties, just vs the TE, that way Willis can be used to watch other things.
We need a safety that can cover TE’s we lost some close games because of them.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
that's my point
everyone talking about Mays coverage seems to think he’s going to match up on a #1 or #2 WR…he’ll be the Strong Safety! He can adequately cover a TE.
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See senior Bowl practice
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/taylor%20-mays?id=494283#tabs:tab-watch
About halfway thru the DRAFT video they show him at senior bowl practice in man to man cover situations and he doesn’t look comfortable.
by crumpedup15 on May 14, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He will start
The Seattle game… wait thats our first game. Hes got a lot to prove knowing that his former coach passed him up and took a better safety IMO, but I have always been a T-Mays fan and given his physical abilities and what he can bring to the team as far as his speed.
nice thought, but...
he’ll make an azz of himself if he tries to get revenge against the seahawks, and that’s a divisional game. let him kill some return men….
I agree
If there is one game on the entire schedule that I would NOT start him at safety it would be game #1 at Seattle. The “I’ll show Pete” attitude is exactly what would allow the Seahawks to take advantage of his over-aggressiveness … repeatedly. Let him kill some people on special teams, but keep him out of the starting defensive lineup until at least game #3.
by 49erFanSince1950 on May 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree......
Although I like Earl Thomas I don’t think he’ll be too effective as a safety in the NFL. He’ll be a better corner, but he’s too small IMO to cover and tackle Vernon Davis twice a year as well as the other tight ends in the league. I think he has a ton of ball skills and he’s quick enough to cover, but he’s like a Bob Sander. Bob’s a beast, but he gets injured a lot. I think Earl Thomas will have the same sort of fate if he stays at safety. His frame is just too small to absorb the collisions with these big boys in the NFL. I say Pete Carroll screwed the pooch on this one……
He'll be a true free safety
He’s built much more solidly than 6’2" 185 lb Merton Hanks ever was and he tackles very low on big guys. He’ll keep himself relatively healthy. I’d be more concerned with Berry staying healthy. Berry is an inch taller and a few pounds lighter and he tackles high and looks for the big hit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
special teams
he’s not going to be much more than a special teamer, IMO. From what I see in his college days, all he does is line people up and hit them (sometimes). If he’s the quick learner that people say he is, then we should need to see him worked into the D but not until mid season at the earliest.
As far as starting safety, Lewis is a proven commodity and has Sing’s backing. He’s the starting safety until an injury dictates otherwise.
From what you have seen?
Are you talking about the HIGHLIGHTS you have seen on YOUTUBE or on ESPN…thats prettty much what they are highlights all they show are his BIG HITS but if you did watch ny of there games he is limited with coverage skills but he does tackle and wraps, he is not always looking for the big hits
confirmed
I haven’t watched USC, and I understand that he’s a solid tackler. The highlights do very little to show his capacity in that respect. But, Lewis can tackle too. So, why remove a guy who’s been to the super bowl and the pro bowl to be replaced by a player who hasn’t? No doubt, there is a change of guard, but if this is our year to make it to the playoffs, why rush in a rookie at the potential cost of divisional and high stakes games?
Mays can learn the speed of the game as a STer. He’ll be great there, AND he can learn from M Lewis on the nuances of the game so he’ll be prepared when his number is called.
Because Lewis is never going to get better
He’s slower than Mays, shorter than Mays, can’t jump as high as Mays, can’t hit as hard as Mays and generally has all the same shortcomings with none of the benefits that Mays can provide.
Oh and Lewis makes 4 Million next year and Taylor will make probably 1/4 of that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen every USC game for the past 5 and a half years.
Mays whiffed on a lot of tackles and needs work in that area.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 14, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
How many games Mays starts depends upon him, not Lewis
IMO it depends upon how fast Mays can learn/improve coverage skills in OTAs and mainly at camp. If he learns quickly he probably starts by game 3 or 4; if not a quick learner he probably doesn’t start until later in the season. This plan could obviously be modified by any significant injury (including concussion) to Lewis, in which case Mays will have to learn during games.
by 49erFanSince1950 on May 14, 2010 10:58 AM PDT reply actions
When you look carefully
At the guys they drafted they all had a Checkered Past, Iupati having to come to America because his family wanted a better life so he knows what it means to work hard. Davis had a problem keeping his weight down at Rutgers and weather he took football serious, You got Bowman who had problems with the law which IMO dropped him from a potential 1st rounder to a 3rd, so he’s got something to prove you got Ginn Jr. who was pretty muched called a bust for being a high draft pick, there is Anthony Dixon who was living in his car at one point of his life but still managed to go college and now hes in the NFL. And Mays who feels he got something to prove its like they brought in guys who got chips on there shoulder and Sing is going to use that and motivate them to be the best and give it there all. I see 4-5 of the guys they drafted starting or contributing a serious amount of playing time come next seson
the chip on the shoulder and motivation theory
should mainly be used to motivate these guys in training camp, OTA’s, etc. I don’t want someone playing emotional in a game. If you’re emotional, what are you when you get burned on a big play? That’s right, emotional. They need to play with control, discipline, trust the scheme. Channel it. That’s hard to do. I hope that Sing teaches them to manage their emotions more than to unleash them.
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True
I have no doubt that in my mind Sing can get these guys to buy into the famous rant he made about Davis. “It’s more about them than it is about the team” And look what happened to Davis. Here is a good video of how much respect these guys show SING http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d8133b564/Sound-FX-49ers-tough-love
I love that video
I think it has like the 5 greatest quotes ever. Chilo’s gonna make me knock him out.
You're ok youngblood
He’s ok, he’s from the hood.
hahahaha
priceless
by crumpedup15 on May 15, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Ditto
and just to add on.
its ok to be emotional at times, it just shows that you love the game and that you are willing to push yourself to the limit to help win the game.
btw. i didnt know that Dixon was homeless at one point. just goes to show that you can have nothing, and just as long as you have the will to better yourself and make something out of nothing, then anything is posible.
they just showed a kid on the news that had nothing and by the time he was 18 he be came a nurse or surgeon. i can really remember which but he was in the surgery room doing work. and he is only 18 or 19!
prime examples that you can have nothing and make a whole lot out of it. i know i went waaay off topic and im sorry for that lol.
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by imjuliooo89 on May 14, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
the emotion I was specifically talking about was
the “I’ll show them!” attitude. Show them by lifting weights, running extra laps, sprints, catching extra practices…show them by preparing harder than they do, harder than you have to…then simply reap the benefits in the game.
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OHHHHH
ok yea i get you. yea thats the best way, and a lot of players do that. i just hope that these players we have will do that exactly. i like dixon a lot. and i hope he eventually, after gore gets out, becomes our #1 back. man is a beast.
Rugby for Pu***s: That's what he and his teammates call American football.
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I love football, but that is just too funny to be angry at. Rugby is truely a harder sport than American Football.
by imjuliooo89 on May 14, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not a surgeon by 18
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
By Week 5
I see Sing giving him 4 games to adjust to the speed of the big leagues. Once he learns the speed and gets comfortable dropping into coverage we very well may have an excellent safety on our hands. Mays has nothing but upside and just because he wasn’t asked to cover at USC does not mean he can’t.
Mays, Lewis, Roman....Heck even Goldson
Roman is more well rounded, but he doesnt have the speed to be better and that gets him burned in the secondary.
Lewis has been good for the team, but just like it said up in the post, he has had many concussions that have hampered his career.
Goldson and Mays are our future starting safeties. (Goldson already starting of course)
Once mays gets up to NFL speed, (around week 4 or 5-ish) i believe he will start. he is an amazing physical specimen and he can learn quick (because of his age of course) and he also has great work ethic, and Sing will be there to push him in the right direction.
Rugby for Pu***s: That's what he and his teammates call American football.
- Gareth Thomas (Rugby Pro Player for the Cardiff Blues)
I love football, but that is just too funny to be angry at. Rugby is truely a harder sport than American Football.
never said that
i was comparing roman to lewis…
then i STATED that Goldson will be our starting safety and mays will eventually be starting beside goldson…
sorry for the confusion
Rugby for Pu***s: That's what he and his teammates call American football.
- Gareth Thomas (Rugby Pro Player for the Cardiff Blues)
I love football, but that is just too funny to be angry at. Rugby is truely a harder sport than American Football.
I don't get the title of your comment then...
“Mays, Lewis, Roman…..Heck even Goldson, then read Roman is more well rounded, etc….”
I must have read it wrong, my fault.
my fault
i put all their names in the title to specify that i was going to talk bout all 4…i should made it distinct.
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I have a question that I’ve always wondered. What are the primary differences in playing styles and roles between free and strong safeties?
by Rod Blogojevich on May 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
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Differences
Rod B.: Generically (not the 49ers style of defense) the SS has responsibility for the tight end on pass plays, to be the next line of defense after the linebackers on running plays. The FS has deep coverage responsibility, often as a double team with a CB on a wide receiver going deep. FS is the last defender between WR and goal in this scheme.
by seafood lover on May 14, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Difference
There isnt much of a difference but the main thing about the Free Safety position is that they are sometime free to roam the field and they play the ball. Whenever they need to stack the box a SS is usually the guy they bring in closer to the LOS and the FS would play the Center field other than that they both have the same responsiblities as far coverage or man to man
Ed Reed and Darren Sharper
those guys are good examples of what a FS does Sharper doesnt have the skills Reed possess but Reed is an excellent guy who know how to read a defense and always puts himself in position to get the ball. Sharper to me gets beat by double moves and always tries to jump the route therefore giving up big plays but if it works out he will take it the house thats for sure
Differences
in our scheme, it’s not so much position as it is player. Of the two starting safeties last year, one was much better in coverage than the other. That’s why Lewis plays in the box more and Goldson is deep. If we had two guys (hopefully Mays becomes one of them) who can stuff the run and also run with receivers and make plays deep…they will alternate roles throughout the game.
In a “typical” scheme though, the Free Safety plays deep in coverages where there is only one safety deep. When there are two safeties deep the Free Safety would likely play on the side of the ball with more receivers or faster receivers…to maximize his coverage abilities. Still, both safeties in a cover 2 type scheme (two deep safeties in zone) play halves of the field and attack any ball thrown to their half.
The Strong Safety is the one called upon to blitz or come up in run support into the “box” more often than not. Of course, teams like to play tricks so bringing the FS at times is also not unheard of.
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It all depends on the scheme
You look at teams like PIT and SF.
Polamalu and Lewis don’t have the same roles even though they both play SS in a 3-4 defense.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 14, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok thanks
Thats sort of what I thought- FS to play coverage and SS to play close to the line. But yeah the role of every safety is different according to coach scheme, that makes it a lot more clear… since there arent really truly defined roles for players the more complex schemes get
by Rod Blogojevich on May 14, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This quote made me throw up in my mouth a little...
“Additionally, while Roman can struggle, he also seems to be a more well-rounded safety. He’s not as good in run support as Michael Lewis, but one could argue he’s better in pass support.”
I’m not sure if that’s saying Roman is good in pass support or if Lewis is just that bad. If Lewis is just that bad, why is everyone complaining about May’s pass coverage, it can’t be worse than Lewis, and his run support can’t be worse than Roman. So in my eyes, we have a better safety than we have currently, exactly the way Mays sits, he makes ANY strides in his pass coverage we have a MAJOR upgrade. If he doesn’t, he is still better than what we have.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
If Mays is already more physically gifted then Lewis, why sit him? Lewis is by no means a dynamo in pass coverage, which is why he’s only a two-down player. And by that fact alone, why should a starter on Defense be on the field only for the first two downs?
We keep complaining that the Secondary is slow; well here’s Taylor Mays, who ran an unofficial 4.24 at the Combine. In my humble opinion, if Mays exhibits the same pass coverage skills in training camp and the preseason as Lewis, we have to start him to put much needed speed in a Secondary that sorely needs it.
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by Hoopers Judge on May 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Lewis is a 3 down player
he plays LB in the Nickel (3rd downs)
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Lewis can diagnose with the best of them, whereas Mays might get caught by play fakes, lose contain, etc. There is much to be said about a wile veteran.
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that being said
if Mays can learn these things and consistently read and diagnose…then sure, I want him on the field.
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im sure he could
the man is smart, and of course age is on his side. the only limits to him learning how to see play fakes and such will be himself.
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by imjuliooo89 on May 14, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah but...
still, rarely do guys come in and know it all. game experience is huge. I just dont want to see Mays get burned a lot because it wouldn’t be good for his head, his reputation, coaching staff, etc.
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i agree
100%, because if he does get out played alot only 2 things can come out of it.
1: he can begin to doubt himself and be less productive and more of a liability
or
2: he can learn from it and see where he needs to work and then practice and make himself better in that area
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by imjuliooo89 on May 14, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he will get burnt much
reason because I think his first few games he will be closer to LOS vs. Goldson. No way are we going to let Mays be our last line of defense in his rookie season.
all i know..
is that i dont know anything for sure, and for all we know he could be starting week one and make a huge impact on the safety position….but im excited to see how this season plays out
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until the offense y-flexes the TE out
and motions the RB into the slot on the opposite side. Then they’re in a 4-wide look. If we’re in Base 3-4 Mays is matched up on someone unless it’s a zone blitz.
Just sayin he can’t completely avoid coverage responsibilities.
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he's going to have to cover, in man, sometimes
but yeah, against TE’s or RB’s. As long as he can learn to read a route…his speed is plentiful
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the man is smart, and of course age is on his side.
Not in the smarts category.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 14, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Smarts yes, as far as Brain is concerned, it starts to deteriorate at an early age.
Maybe knowledge-wise then not so much.
He can't diagnose coverage, maybe he can see it and just can't get there, but he is atrocious in coverage.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Mays is also so fast...
That he can take a wrong first step and still adjust and make the play. If Lewis doesn’t get it exactly right the first time he’s getting burned
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Lewis might be a wily vet who knows what he is doing, but does he have the physical attributes to play as our starting SS.
The most basic assignment for players in the Secondary (particular scheme not taken into account) is to cover recievers; Lewis doesn’t do that very well. While Mays might be taught to cover recievers better then he did in college.
And i’d rather have a rookie with tremendous upside and elite athletic ability to start sooner rather then later, so he could learn from his mistakes and hopefully develop quicker then if he just sat on the bench.
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by Hoopers Judge on May 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mays
honestly, we’re in a playoff push this year. The Division is ours for the taking. That is all that matters to me. I want the best 11 on the field, in every facet.
Mays is fast, he’s big, he hits. That’s great. What do we know about his knowledge of the defense? What do we know about how honed his NFL techniques are? Everyone knows what got you by in college doesn’t cut it in the NFL.
The whole reason Lewis (and to a degree, Roman) play is because they are smart and don’t blow assignments. Roman may lack ball skills to make that play on Greg Lewis, but he was there…he did his job…he just doesn’t have the juice to make that play.
Personally if Lewis isn’t declining in skill from last year and is healthy…I want him on the field. That is, if Mays hasn’t proven that he is not only better athletically, but mentally. I want no dumb mistakes. The first time Mays draws the short straw and ends up on a guy who puts a move on him and get’s just a step, catches a TD pass…or he get’s faked out (a-la-Addai to Wayne last year) and bites, loses his deep contain, etc.
My point is that it’s about Mays and how disciplined he is, how much he has learned, his consistency, mental toughness…Those things I just can’t predict because he’s in the process of honing them right now…it’s just the beginning.
I will say I hope they put him in certain packages at least, and/or when we’re playing with a sizable lead. I don’t believe he’ll see much time on special teams. I just can’t see a 2nd round freak of nature like him, slated to be the starting safety of the future, being put in on ST’s a whole lot. I guess I’m just worried about injury and the investment. We learned some lessons on that with Clements returning punts last year. I know, it was a freak injury…but even Sing said he doesn’t really want his key guys in there if he can help it.
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This statement is horrible. Roman may lack ball skills to make that play on Greg Lewis, but he was there…he did his job…he just doesn’t have the juice to make that play. So you are saying if he is there, and did his job, then his job must have been to allow a game winning catch with no time on the clock? If he can’t make the play, it doesn’t matter if he was there or not. If you know the play, and it hits you in the face mask, but caught in mid air by TE and goes for a TD to win the Super Bowl, you are NOT doing your job, I don’t care if you were in the vicinity of where he was supposed to be.
he followed his assignments
he did what the scheme dictated. If scheme says run over there…you do it. If you’re slow in doing it…that is an indictment on your athletic ability. Not doing your job. He did his job…just doesn’t have the skill to do it well.
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Lewis and Favre executed better (or had more luck on their side)?
I mean the only way he could have played that better would have if he had not gone for the deflection and tried to just push Lewis out of bounds.
I agree that giving up the big play does not mean the job was done correctly. I think if Roman was taller or faster, he would have made that play. And isn’t Mays both of those?
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 14, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
my point was Roman stayed in coverage, did what he was supposed to do
he just couldn’t do it any better cause he’s not as athletic. Also, who’s to say Mays wouldn’t have gotten turned around, confused, and not even been in the picture when that pass was thrown?
Saying it takes smarts and discipline just as much as it takes speed and athleticism. I hope Mays can learn all of what he needs because he is unquestionably an athletic freak.
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I don't think he'll start any games unless there is an injury
I’m just hoping he can settle into the 3rd safety role (Mark Roman’s role last year).
He’s a rookie, not everyone is Patrick Willis….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
He'll start, put it in the books, but the coaching staff will allow him growth in the system first.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
That's why I put him down for 1-3...
Pretty much, I see him starting if Goldson or Lewis gets injured.
Obviously, Lewis will be the starter going into the season, barring some sort of phenom performance by Mays in TC. Even in the case that Mays wows everyone, I think that Singletary will value the continuity that Lewis brings to the table.
People love to get hyped over unproven talent during the offseason. For sure, Mays is expected to contribute, but expecting him to start over a seasoned, capable vet like Lewis is a bit unrealistic.
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Based on what?
The only way I see him starting is if there is an injury to Goldson or Lewis.
You’re predicting injuries now?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 15, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He stated his opinion............Spaz Much
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Shouldn't opinions be based on something?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 15, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
How would your response enduce that?
Injury s not the only way he can get on the field, the FO has said they drafted him to be a starter, they didn’t indicate when, but they said it’s based on him, grasping the playbook/system, and improving on what they see.
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I say that IMO he doesn’t start a game unless there is an injury or if he makes significant strides in his pass coverage skills.
Some other person says he’ll be the starter by week 5.
Now, that’s pretty specific.
I’m just asking him to explain his reasoning.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 16, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't the Niners say they drafted him to start??
I could swear I saw that, read that, or heard that somewhere.
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Of course they did.
But how soon. You think they draft a 2nd rounder NOT to start? They draft most players to start, doesn’t mean from day 1. I think he will be a good player, but of course they drafted him to start, thanks capt obvious. lol
I think the part you are talking about was when Baalke said something along the lines of getting 3 or 4 starters in this draft or something like that.
He was a 1st rounder selected in the 2nd round.
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This
Had he come out last year when he had Maualuga, Cushing and Matthews to protect him he would have been the first safety drafted and was talked about as a top 5 pick. He’ll be back behind a strong front 7 on our team and I think he will look GREAT.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I know.
I just thought your statement that they drafted him to start was obvious. I think every team that drafts a guy in 2nd round, expects him to start.
Singletary also said that Lewis wasn't just going to give up the starting position.
I think the expectation is that Mays becomes a starter at some point, not that he’s the starter immediately.
"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary
Hopefully they let him start growing pains and all
and save 4M a year by kicking Lewis to the curb.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I think Reggie Smith is ready to take on that back up roll. And do much much better than Mark Roman ever did.
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Agreed
unfortunately Roman has one thing Smith doesn’t have, ability to stay healthy. I think Smith will be good if he can ever get on the field. Personally, if there are no injuries through training camp, no way Roman makes the team. Not with Curtis Taylor, Reggie Smith, and Taylor Mays. You are looking at Lewis/Mays SS, and Goldson/Smith FS. I think C. Taylor is then the DEEP depth and ST player.
I said 13-16
leaning more toward 16. We didn’t draft him to play special teams. Michael Lewis will be a situational player and he is really just one more concussion away from retirement as it is. Taylor Mays will start week 1. Manusky will have him ready. I think there is little to no chance he is a gunner to begin with on special teams.
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I think less and only because we tend to bring players along slowly. However, based on the fact that Lewis is better for run support as of now, I can see him being brought in in the middle of games.
I hope he starts more than that, that would mean he has proven something in practice and that he’s ready, he is neck and neck with Lewis because of his speed, and he seems to be a student of the game that had a poor teacher.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
We didn't bring Crabtree along too slowly
and we dont have very many good safeties. I think Mays is an easy upgrade over Lewis day 1
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Mays was a 1st round prospect we stole with the 49th pick… thanks to Pete Carroll.
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Agreed
In any normal draft he’d be a 1st rounder for sure… After his Jr. year they were talking about him being a top 5 guy. I thought he was a top 20 guy this year. This year the deep draft and all the Jr’s coming out got a late round steal. Athleticism like he has can be molded no matter how raw he is.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think peeps forget that.
He was top 5ish the year before last. Only reason he dropped was because his tape wasn’t as good this year, but player 20 yds away from ball, it’s tough to make plays.
We didn't bring Crabtree along slowly, becaus he was our best option at WR.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Thats the same way I view Mays for the SS position
and if he plays well in preseason, I’m sure the coaching staff will feel the same way
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Yah
Whoever said he won’t be the deep guy this year I think is correct. His inexperience could burn us in a big situation if he was the FS. He might be the deep guy occasionally but I think 80% of the time he will be in the SS role.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 14, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but we had to play Crabtree he was leagues ahead of any WR. SS isn't as essential on a good defense.
On our offense the WR position was so weak we had no choice but to rush him in. Lewis manned our safety position enough for Mays to come in situationally first.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Leagues ahead with no training camp?
We hadn’t seen what Crabtree could do other than in college… There was no way to know how good or bad he would be.
Strong Safety is SO WEAK that we couldn’t be downgrading even if he wasn’t that good for the first two games. I think the general consensus among most people is that we had a humongous hole at the SS position. Is that not true? Cause even around here, most people said we absolutely NEED to get Oline and a SS…. including you.
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That's how bad our WR's are.
When concerning a solid wideout, his route running was more polished than any of them out of college.
I know we needed a SS, but I wouldn’t throw Mays in week 1. Any position you can bring in a little at a time is good, and the SS position won’t lose games.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Yup
I think Mays will start about a 1/3 of the way in. I voted 10-12 games
I was right, you were wrong.
What's the point?
He needs the experience. What is 4-6 games on the sideline going to do for him?
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I think it's going to take him that long to earn the starting spot
it’s not about deliberately holding him back, it’s about him earning the job.
I was right, you were wrong.
Don’t see it. We’ll find out soon
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It’s just tough for rookies to come in and start right away unless they’re head and shoulders better than the veterans.
I do think Mays can be that guy, but he’s got to learn a whole new way of playing.
Like rlott says below I think he’ll see signficant playing time from the get go, just not starting time.
I was right, you were wrong.
I just can’t see NOT starting him. As I said above, he was potentially a top 5 pick in ‘08. You honestly think Berry and Thomas won’t be starting for their respective teams? Mays falls in that category and will undoubtedly be an upgrade over Michael Lewis.
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Thomas and Berry both covered more in college
like I said Mays is going to have to learn a completely new style of play.
Now he did show at the Senior Bowl that he’s incredibly coachable, so I wouldn’t put it past him. I’m just not counting on it.
I was right, you were wrong.
Like I said above… that’s what the 4 preseason games are for. I am sure he’ll get plenty of coaching and playing time in those ones since they dont count. Manusky will have him ready week 1 against the Hawks and Mays will stick it to Carroll
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Berry and Thomas are on teams that pretty much have no SS or FS on the roster.
They are better than what was there last year and coverage skills are their strongest aspects of their game.
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I don't think it will be on the sideline, he will play, but maybe not start.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
The SS position lost us games last year.
And as someone else mentions above, Mays is probably the only guy that is going to have enough speed to chase down the Roddy White’s of the league from behind. I think he needs to be in there ASAP. Preseason is for getting his feet wet in the NFL. Indy is week 1, I say let him start against Manning.
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week 1 of preseason for clarification
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No...
thats not how bad our WR’s are.. that’s how you perceived our WR’s.
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Oh please, we had two great route running WR's?? Ummm NO
We still have questionable route runners, I’ve heard you say the WR’s couldn’t get open. Please don’t say Hill, he can hardly get on the field.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Our receivers did just fine before Crabtree got there. And that was with Shaun Hill at QB for most of that time.
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I think that there's a ton of potential with our WR group
If Jones can stay healthy he could be very, very good. Same with Hill. I like Morgan as a #2 guy and Crabtree will be a star.
I was right, you were wrong.
OK, so when I say that crabs was a wasted pick how the hell could you argue?
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Because none of those guys have anywhere near the talent
of Crabtree.
None of them will ever be a star in the league.
I was right, you were wrong.
crabtree is a great route runner
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It took Goldson 3 years to replace Mark Roman
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 15, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It took Goldson 3 years to stay healthy, he was hurt in 08 and missed on a lot.
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and
he made great strides last year. remember how pissed we all were early in the season his style of play? going for the bit hit, not wrapping, etc? Sounds familiar and look where he ended up.
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He is going to have 4 games in the preseason to gear up.
This is all very premature speculation anyhow. But my gut tells me he will do good enough in the preseason to start week 1.
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yea...
Drew K….ill have to agree with you on that one
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You know I TOTALLY forgot about that.
I said he would start after 4 games to learn speed of game, I didn’t even think about all the starts and time he will get playing in preseason, good point, he could be starting day 1.
He can be starting by week one
But I don’t see him making a huge impact at least until week 4 or so. I don’t think it will take him long to learn to cover. All he needs is some playing time and he will develop into a great safety. I see him not really starting but rotating out with Michael Lewis and also coming in as that third safety option.
Mays future career
Listening to Mays in some interviews and post-practice interviews already with the 49ers, he sounds like he is going to be a heck of a player. You don’t get that kind of a feeling from listening to many players but I just get that feeling from him in interviews.
I think Michael Lewis will be pretty good this year. In that case I think Mays will be sharing playing time here and there at the safety spots, and maybe in some sort of nickel or 4-6 role. Is there a nice formation that requires 3 safety-type players?
Hes been a starter
throughout his playing career. I doubt he has ever sat on the bench and watched. He has always been the biggest and fastest kid on the field. Now everyone is big and he has to outplay a guy for his livelihood. It should be interesting to see how he deals with the challenge. Unless the 9ers hit gold and he is so much better than Lewis, Taylor will be faced with something completely new. I personally think he will rise to the challenge but Michael Lewis wont go quietly. The best player will play.
Goldson and Mays
starting safties after the bye week, with Reggie Smith taking over Mark Roman’s spot. The reason we even have Lewis is he phiily didn’t want him anymore. After making a pro bowl for the eagles he lost his job to a younger more talented player. Now correct me if i’m wrong but lewis has 0 pro bowls as a niner. He’s a good consistent player who gives it his all. Is a better athlete than a mark roman hence the more plays made. But the kid 23 is talented and I STRONGLY believe in our coaches. I know they can get the best out of this kid. And he doesn’t have to prove jack to carroll. He took the safety our very own crabtree made look silly in college. Week 1 crabtree on the post corner leaving thomas with sick head fake covering air alex hits him in stride for 6 HELLO 2010 SEASON!
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
May 12 2010 comment of the day award winner on the nuggets! It's official ninjames is my favorite contributer!
Here's a thought
Has anyone thought about our schedule for the coming season? After the opener in Seattle we don’t play another division game until like week 10 then 5 of our last 7 games I think are division games. If Mays gets some playing time under his belt before the onslaught of division play it would be better for all parties involved. We all know division games are the most important games and having some experience before we get there would do Mays a lot of good.
Why oh why
is everybody trying to replace Lewis. What is wrong with a one two punch. Think of this. If Mays can cover at least as good as Lewis or better, then when he comes in on passing downs, then the opponents would not know if he is coming or covering. A one two punch, and if he out plays Lewis all the better. But bottom line… it is all up to Mays. How fast he can learn to cover, he did very little, if any in collage. That will determine how fast he will replace anybody.
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