Fantasy Football 2010: DeTErmining when to draft Vernon Davis
Last week, we had a discussion about drafting the sixth ranked RB over a top ranked QB or WR. The key point of the debate, was that since the RB department is currently short staffed (in terms of fantasy value) was it better waiting to take a QB or WR later due to the large volume of productive players at each position? The votes rolled in for Frank Gore (57%), although strong points were made for both sides in the comments. This week, we'll discuss a position that falls in the land of in between: Tight Ends. Similar to the RB position, there aren't a lot of stud TEs to be had; similar to the WR and QB position, you'll find many servicable TEs later on in your fantasy draft. I used to draft with the philosophy: "No TE before round 6", but have since changed my stance. So, the question is, do you jump on the best available tight end early, or wait it out for a late round bargain?
Once again referring to ESPN's fantasy rankings, Vernon Davis sits 58th overall and third amongst TEs. If every fantasy draft went according to the ESPN rankings, Vernon Davis would land just before the end of round 5 (in a standard, 12-team draft format). With Antonio Gates ranked just ahead of VD (57), and Dallas Clark ranked top of the class(54), ESPN's rankings suggest no tight ends should go before round 5. Considering only three tight ends topped 1,000 yards in 2009, and just three had 9 or more TDs, I argue ESPN's rankings. Clark was the only tight end to top 1,000 yards and score 10 TDs. That's quite a feat considering 20 WRs topped 1,000 yards, while 12 caught at least 9 TDs. ESPN has 24 wide receivers ranked over the best tight end (including Michael Crabtree at 52); something just doesn't seem right about that.
Obviously your fantasy draft isn't going to go the way ESPN's rankings list, but shouldn't the top ranked player at the TE position be atleast a third round talent? After all, in most leagues, you can only start one tight end compared to the 2 or 3 WRs "dressing" for your fantasy team. Getting WR-like production from a TE is like having a 3rd or 4th WR can give your team an advantage. Last week I argued that because you have to start 2 RBs, and just 1 QB, the RB should be the choice. The difference here is that the pool of TEs is dwarfed by the pool of QBs. I'm not saying there isn't talent to be had at TE deeper in a fantasy draft, but come the back end of round 3 (picks 33+), I think it's time to consider taking one of the top tight ends available. According to Fantasy Football Caculator, you'd have the pick of the litter. Of FFC's 1023 mock drafts, Clark has an ADP (average draft position) of 40.7 (round 4, pick 5), with Gates (49.1) usually going in round 5 along with VD (53). [NOTE: FFC's projections have 15 WRs ahead of the top ranked TE, a much more reasonable number.]
After the jump I bust out my own fantasy point calculator, and see where Vernon Davis stacks up...
Top Five Tight Ends by Fantasy Points Per Game in 2009*
- Vernon Davis 10.9 (15.8)
- Dallas Clark 10.7 (16.9)
- Antonio Gates 10.2 (15.2)
- Owen Daniels 10.2 (15.2)
- Brent Celek 9.1 (13.8)
Top Five Wide Receivers by Fantasy Points Per Game in 2009*
- Andre Johnson 13.2 (19.5)
- Randy Moss 12.8 (18.0)
- DeSean Jackson 12.6 (16.9)
- Miles Austin 12.4 (17.4)
- Reggie Wayne 11.7 (17.9)
* - Fantasy Points calculated as 1 PT = 10 yards receiving, 6 PTs = TD; (PPR format, 1 PT = reception)
As you can tell by the numbers, VD doesn't average as much as the fifth ranked WR, but like the RB vs. QB debate, sometimes you need to grab a premium player at a position that isn't deep. Eleven wide outs averaged more FPPG than Vernon Davis, but again, fantasy points at a scarce position are sometimes more valuable. Consider that only 4 tight ends averaged 10+ FPPG (O.Daniels missed half the season) while 13 WRs did the same. Moreover, 24 WRs averaged at least 8 FPPG (including those averaging 10+); just FIVE tight ends managed to do so. I'd say it's safe to go after the number one TE on your board, once the top 7 or 8 WRs have fallen.
Who you've got ranked as the number one tight end is an entirely different ball game. Vernon's 2009 numbers certainly indicate he could be 2010's top dog, but Antonio Gates and Dallas Clark have been doing this for a few years now. Davis' best season prior to 2009 was no where close to leading all tight ends in points. The fact that VD is in a contract year could also mean reproduction of 2009's explosion. No matter how the rankings shake up, I think the top 3 TEs (Clark, Gates, VD) are all viable options after the top 8 WRs or pick 33.
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I saw hands down VD is the top fantasy TE in 2010
barring injury, of course.
He’s Alex Smith’s most familiar and reliable target thus far. Even in OTA’s VD’s name is constantly mentioned as getting targets. He also possesses the best combination of skills and physique of any TE in the game. He’s big, strong, lean, fast, and has adequate hands.
I sincerely hope everyone in my church league isn’t familiar with him and I’ll be grabbing him in the middle rounds
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Here's the problem with that
Josh Morgan and Michael Crabtree will have developed even more rapport with Alex Smith. Crabtree especially will be picking up extra yards that might have gone to Davis.
I was right, you were wrong.
Well heres my philosophy
It depends on the league you are in. If you are playin in a PPR then grab VD in round 4 to make sure you get his ass. If its ppr this is my strategy.
PPR – 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1 TE for Starting Lineup
First 6 of 1st (RB,WR,WR,TE,RB,WR,QB)
Last 6 of 1st (WR,WR, RB, TE, WR, RB, QB)
If its PPR (point per reception) WR’s are incredibly more valuable along with pass catching rb’s
Regular scoring – same starting lineup
RB, WR, RB, TE, WR, QB, WR – if RB’s are short on supply or u r unsure of whats left swap the 1st round RB and 2nd round WR around.
I believe in grabbing that stud TE – After the first 5 you have a big drop off – ie a big advantage in your starting lineup over those who didnt get in on that. U can test the waters and try to grab one in round 5 but if you try to wait it out longer just remember that if you miss out on the top 3 guys in your mind you might as well wait til round 8 or 9 to draft a TE so you can have the advantage elsewhere.
VD will definitely put up good numbers...
…but I have a feeling that Crabtree will take a lot of looks away from him this season. I don’t think the numbers last year back up my “gut feeling” (couldn’t find week by week data of ‘targets’), but VD definitely fell off in production in weeks 14-16 (aka FFB playoffs), and then rebounded against a porous Stl linebacker corps. Crabtree didn’t have big weeks during that span (except for the wk14 game against ARI), but its hard not to expect big things from Crabs this year after having a full training camp and preseason in Raye’s system building on his 11 games of experience last year.
i agree
crabtree will take some targets…but also consider VD didn’t start getting a lot of looks until after the first few weeks of the season too…and we didn’t throw the ball much, or well last year (at least not as well as I think we will this year)
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Had Vernon on my team last year
He made me a happy man. He’s gna do that again this year. Antonio who? Dallas who?
"Bar None!" - William Floyd
I had Vernon Davis on my team last year as well
Too bad I dropped him right before the MIN game.
:(
FML.
I’ll be taking Jermichael Finley in round 6 or 7 though.
But if Vernon Falls to round 5, it may be too hard to pass on him
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
I think a top TE deserves to go towards the end of round 2
or beginning of round 3.
A stud TE is more valuable than a #2 or #3 WR or RB.
I was right, you were wrong.
PmaPants for TEs
You either think VD is only getting better and should be the first to go or D.Clark’s steady #s make him a safer TE to go first.
I have a feeling many teams will be using extra coverage on VD, especially in the red zone. We’ll see how he adjusts to that. On the other hand he seems to now have a good repore with Alex and a full season together, with the same offensive coordinater should help.
Cooley might be a good pick up later on with McNabb on the scene and J.Finley would be a nice pick, but can he stay healthy?
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
Well I'm going to take the risk with Finley
I did ok last year with Justin Keller and Fred Davis as my TEs.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 21, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
PMA
VD was facing some pretty tough coverages against him last year, and had to make some grabs in traffic. However, some teams try to man up VD with a LB and that team gets burned, because VD can also out run the saftey who is helping over the top.
I don’t think he’ll repeat 13 TDs, or come as close to 1000 yards, but I can still see around 800 yards and 7-10 TDs from him. The 49ers have too many other options this season, for Davis to be facing triple teams, and since he proved last year he can beat double teams, it should be another productive year.
by Andrew Davidson on May 22, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
A to the D to the Z
Crabtree, Morgan and Ginn will have to prove to be legitamit threats first. As of now they are not. Crabtree should, but even if he doesn’t I’ll be glad to have VD as my starting fantasy TE.
Drew, its safe to say neither of use will be taking Petti…who?
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
Pettigrew?
lol
The guy the lions took over Oher.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
petta what petta who... thats who........TE?
I will go as far to say that VD will get crabs by week four, Pettigrew will average 7.8 FPPG and all you suckers out there that REACH for VD will be left “scracthing” themselves in end.
Drew, you really need to talk to some of these SF folks. lots to learn out there.
Petta poo poo.
Hey Derb go watch “The Blindside” then punch yourself in the groin for not getting Oher.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
only good 20yrds in...
…Pett will never separate like VD, and can’t outrun some DEs. Good RZ target but not going to put up many 100+yd, multi-TD games like VD.
Most TE's are streaky and unpredictable
TE’s are very prone to injury (just ask Kellen Winslow or Owen Daniels). TE production is also heavily reliant on consistent solid quarterback play, OC, and scheme. There are usually only 2-3 TE’s a year that play all 16 games with a good QB that plays all 16 games in a TE-heavy scheme. Personally, I reached for VD 3 years in a row and he did next to nothing and I dropped him. Last year I picked up Owen Daniels in the 6th or 7th round and he started out very strong but then went down with an injury for the year. Feel free to reach for Clark/Gates/Davis, but when they or their quarterback go down for the year or go a few games in a row without a TD, you’ll be wishing you had taken a WR1 or RB2 in the 3rd round. =)
If you're waiting until the 3rd round
to get your #1 WR you’ve waited too long.
I was right, you were wrong.
No they can still be had in round 3
People always make dumb mistakes in the first two rounds and players allways fall.
It’s up to you to find out who those players are.
Last year Wes Welker fell late into the 3rd round (I couldn’t take him because I took A. Rodgers) in my league.
Welker is once again intriguing this year as he’ll probably be a good option for the final 8 games of the season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Voting results
I know this is Niners Nation, but this big of a vote for VD? His 2009 numbers definitely back it up, but Antonio Gates and Dallas Clark are getting disrespected here (and I’m loving every minute of it Jerry!). Here’s hoping VD can be the fantasy beast we all know and love from 2009.
by Andrew Davidson on May 22, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
upside...
I think people figure that Vernon Davis has more upside in terms of his own ability, but also the potential emergence of Alex Smith as a better QB.
by David Fucillo on May 22, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
and I can’t disagree with that logic one bit. I honestly think VD can hold his own as a top 3 fantasy TE, but I’m not sold on him defending his crown as tops (in non-PPR leagues anyway).
by Andrew Davidson on May 22, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Davis can score way more TDs than Clark or Gates
In PPR formats, I’d take Clark over Davis though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
last weeks article
can someone post the link to last weeks article about drafting the 6th ranked running back over a top qb or wr? I can’t find it.

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