Goldson vs. Atogwe - Where Do You Stand?
by Tre9er on May 21, 2010 4:29 PM PDT
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PrintFooch's Note: Great FanPost by Tre9er (with I believe some help from Ninjames) that I thought would be a good end of day post. Personally I say stick with Goldson. Adding Atogwe with no guarantee of unloading Goldson (and dealing a player in his walk year would seem a bit difficult given the money Goldson is wanting) would be a dicey scenario in my opinion.
The safety position has been somewhat of a sensitive issue for 49ers fans in recent years. While physical safety Michael Lewis offers a presence in stopping an opposing team's run game, the issue has always been how good the 49ers safeties are in pass coverage.
Lewis, who fits a traditional strong safety role, is certainly not a speedster though he is rather underrated in his coverage of tight ends and running backs - who are his primary responsibilities in coverage. Still, he can be badly beaten when offenses force him into single coverage on faster tight ends, or worse: wide receivers. This is why most fans are so critical of the position opposite him: Lewis does what he's asked so well that it's important for the team to have a good coverage safety to compliment him. So after the jump, we'll look at the other safety position that is generally more responsible for said pass coverage.
Up until the 2009 season, Mark Roman occupied the free safety position for the 49ers, much to the dismay of just about everyone who wasn't blind. Roman was routinely victimized in deep coverage, causing many fans to throw things at their TV in frustration. Sony reported its TV sales for models 27" and larger saw a sharp decline after Roman was removed from the starting lineup (in favor of Dashon Goldson), although they did see a spike during the last few days of September, 2009.
Upon Goldson taking over the FS position in 2009, there were still some disappointing moments early-on as he adjusted to the difficulty of using specialized tackling tools known as "arms"...in other words, he often launched himself head-first at ball carriers without wrapping up. He also struggled some making plays from his position over the deep middle of the field. However as the 2009 season progressed, so did Dashon Goldson.
Goldson finished the 2009 season in strong fashion with three interceptions and two forced fumbles over the last eight games, including a stellar performance against Arizona on Monday Night Football where he had one interception and two forced fumbles alone. Still, many fans are hesitant to simply expect this type of play from Goldson going forward, as 2009 was his first season as a starter.
The added concern comes in the form of Goldson's contract expiring after the 2010 season. It's been reported that Goldson seeks to be one of the top paid safeties in the NFL, to the tune of nearly $7 million dollars per year. If he puts up another good season in 2010 it's likely that he will seek to be the highest paid safety...a contract that many fans doubt the 49ers would offer.
Due to all of this uncertainty surrounding Goldson and the free safety position in general, another player's name has come up who could potentially step in and be a play maker for the 49ers. That player is Oshiomogho Atogwe, a guy who not only comes from within the NFC West division...but also happens to be dating 49ers' head coach Mike Singletary's daughter.
Atogwe was franchised by the Rams in 2009 after the two sides failed to work out a long term contract, something that Atogwe still seeks. This off-season, the Rams placed a "right of first refusal" tag on Atogwe, meaning no team could negotiate with him before June 1, 2010. At that time however, Atogwe becomes an unrestricted free agent and can sign with any team unless the Rams increase their offer to him to $7 million dollars for 2010. It seems unlikely that the Rams will do this, meaning he will probably hit the open market.
With the "inside track" on Atogwe through his connection with Singletary's daughter, it would stand to reason that come June 1st the 49ers would be in first position to woo him to play for San Francisco. However Atogwe is also seeking to be paid like one of the top safeties in the NFL, much like Goldson. With players like Vernon Davis, Aubrayo Franklin, and Alex Smith approaching free agency in 2011 it would appear that the 49ers aren't in a position to pay through the nose for a safety...much less two safeties.
Furthermore the 49ers have shown no outward interest towards Atogwe even after Singletary was recently asked point-blank to comment on the subject. Granted he was wise to not show any interest in acquiring Atogwe, even if there were any, due to tampering rules regarding players under contract...something the 49ers are all too familiar with after being fined draft picks over alleged tampering with Bears LB Lance Briggs. Still it could also truly be an indication that the team sincerely has no interest in Atogwe...but it would be an option available to them if he becomes available.
So the question then would become: If OJ Atogwe were to come available June 1st, should the 49ers risk letting the 2010 season play out with Dashon Goldson and continue to seek a reasonable long term deal with him? Or should the team actively pursue Atogwe, likely under the premise that they will say goodbye to Goldson after the 2010 season? If they did indeed sign Atogwe this off-season one could assume they would attempt to trade Goldson prior to his contract expiring at the end of 2010, so they could still get something in return for him.
Some key points to consider in comparing the two players:
In Goldson's best season, 2009, he recorded 94 tackles, six passes defensed, 4 interceptions and 3 forced fumbles.
In 2007 and 2008 Atogwe recorded a combined 160 tackles, 17 passes defensed, 13 interceptions, and 6 forced fumbles...averaging 80 tackles, 8.5 PD's, 6.5 INT's and 3 FF per season.
Atogwe started all 16 games in three consecutive seasons from 2006 through 2008 before breaking his streak only starting 12 games in 2009 before suffering a shoulder injury that put him on injured reserve. His production is more consistent and proven due to his starting experience.
However Goldson is 25 years old as of today, while Atogwe is 28. The 49er would like to get younger in the secondary as Nate Clements and Michael Lewis are both past 30 years old.
What do you feel the 49ers should do on June 1st if Atogwe comes available and no long term deal has been agreed upon with Goldson?
Footnote: I have to thank Ninjames for his help in editing this post. I'm not always perfect with grammar, punctuation, and he also helped with some great suggestions for rephrasing some things, adding content, etc. He's a great editor should you ever want some feedback.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Hey NN
check out www.prointerviews.org (Max runs the site) with some great interviews he’s done via Twitter with professional athletes.
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I like what he said here
MS : What is the hardest workout to do?
DG : The hardest workout to do is a consistent workout. Anyone can execute a hard workout every now and then, but who can do it consistently is what counts.
I voted "sign him only if..."
and my contention would be that if the F.O. really in their heart of hearts believes Goldson wont take a fair deal (he doesn’t deserve top safety money just yet guys)…AND they don’t see Smith/Taylor/Mays being able to replace him by the 2011 season…then it might make sense. But, they’d have to have a long term deal already worked out and it would have to not hamper the team’s ability to sign the other guys like VD, etc.
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I voted the same, and my explanation is the same as well.
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Mostly agree
I think we should sign Otogwe if we have a deal in place for trading Goldson this offseason. Getting a 3rd round pick would be nice.
Otherwise we stick with Goldson.
by crumpedup15 on May 22, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
If Goldson wants more money than he’s worth, then I would rather sign Atogwe who is worth a big contract.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 21, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A good argument.
At this point, I think it’s unlikely that Goldson will sign for anything reasonable. Considering salary inflation and actual body of work, Otagwe seems like he’d be the better choice both from a personnel and a fiscal standpoint.
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sign him!
I like goldson and I hope he becomes solid but if we can afford him i think we should do it
elaborate
you know we can’t sign two safeties in the same year who both want top safety money…so sign Atogwe then what? Trade Goldson?
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If we're trading Goldson
it has to be now. He’s a FA at the end of the season
I was right, you were wrong.
I don't think we should trade him
He should play at a high level this year (contract year).
If the 49ers get a playoff spot, they’ll need all the talent they can get.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 24, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the FO needs to meet with Dashon and see what his cost will realistically be
It is known that your current safeties don’t have the best pass defense, and we have 3 of them (Dashon, Taylor, and Lewis). I am nervous about what will happen when we put Dashon and Taylor on the field together. And Dashon already wants $7mil/year?
I would sign OJ if he’s healthy and we believe in him, put him at FS this season, and then trade Dashon, maybe for like a 3rd round pick. Then we let Michael Lewis mentor Taylor Mays and shift Taylor into the starting SS role next next season and let Lewis walk
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on May 21, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions
Mays?
what? Ok, you’re trolling right?
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Yeah, in other words there's no need for OJ.
If we had not drafted TM, I would sign OJ though.
Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.
yeah but you can't say TM makes up for DG
right away. Let’s get through camp and half a season (with Mays actually playing in games) before we decide he’s capable of handling the FS spot on his own…
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??? You mean 'you can't say TM makes up for OJ,' right?
If it were up to me, I would not have drafted TM and instead gone after OJ from the beginning simply for experience factor and ability to cause TOs. But now that we have TM, I know we won’t go after OJ. Besides, TM is more of a SS than a FS and the Forty Niners intend to use him more in the box as a run-stopper.
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I think they're going to coach him up in all the ways of a safety
(as in Jedi). The hope is that he can play everywhere, and pair up with another safety who can do the same, or at least close. Mirror safeties, keep offenses guessing. Lewis being in the box was a case of what he brought to the table. Mays is FAR more athletic and fast.
I said TM make up for DG because DG is possibly walking after this year (or being traded).
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Ah. Yeah, after his last few comments we all know how much DG enjoys being a Forty Niner.
Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.
one thing about Goldson
someone stop me if I misinterpreted this, but his twitter the other day said something like “Another day, another chance to get closer to the money”
I mean, being openly outward about going after the money just tells me that this guy is going to be hard to negotiate with. It’s sad too because the TEAM needs him, wants him…potentially a top 10 defense coached by one of the all-time best LB’s to play the game…I just hope Sing or someone can get in his ear and make him realize there’s more to life than the highest dollars one can get.
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He's really annoying on twitter
I stopped following him.
I just don’t like him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 21, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree about twitter
I stopped following him too-most of his stuff seemed to be about how great he was.
I was right, you were wrong.
i don't follow him
I only follow a few players and mostly the ones that are “normal” on twitter. P-52 is great
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Depends on who you want to give the money to.
Me personally, I’m not a fan of Goldson, I am slightly because he is a Niner. But, both of these players are gonna want to be paid too much, especially after Berry gets his deal. i think the situation is very akward and i would rather go forward with Goldson because he is younger and can get better, I think we have seen the best of Atogwe already.
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How about we sign Goldson to his extension, sign Atogwe and then we could have 3 good Safeties
Change the defense to a 3 – 3 – 5 with:
2 DE
1 NT
2 OLB
1 ILB (Willis)
2 CB, Clements and Spencer
3 Safeties, Goldson, Atogwe and Mays
Mays could play up like Lewis and also work into Coverage.
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haha
did you see my post in the other thread similar to this? Except I had us in Nickel all the time, 4-2-5, but with 3 safeties as you stated only a 4-man DL and P-52 and Bowman (eventually) as the LB’s
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I like this idea
we would be playing to our strengths, in terms of talent. This also seems like we are just converting Mays into a LB with safety duties on occasion.
see my nickel suggestion
Mays would be a rover…in base offensive package he’d come in the box and diagnose run or pass, then either stuff the run or cover a TE/RB. I like the 4-man DL better though based on the personnel the niners have right now. We’ve struggled to fill the 3-4 DE role adequately though we have a few guys who get reps at Nickel DT and a few OLB’s who play DE in the Nickel. Willis and Bowman on the field at the same time would be hellish athleticism at the LB spot, and with Mays cleaning up the scraps…scary.
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Scary indeed.
We’ll, by far, have the best atheletes on the field.
I don't really see any 4-3 DEs on the roster.
We’d either be trying to convert 3-4 LBs, and be undersize and vulnerable to the run, or fielding essentially 4 DTs, and not getting enough pass rush.
Haralson, Brooks, Smith
for starters, I think all 3 of those guys could play DE in a 4-3 personally.
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Huh??? Just scratches my head..
I can’t really see it. Sorry man but I can’t. Then if we put Brooks as a 4-3 DE then who do you see as taking over for Manny with him being dangling by a thread contract wise. I just really really can’t see a 4-3 DE for us. Sorry but it has no basis for even discussion in my mind.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on May 23, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Brooks and Smith don't get pressure out of the nickel?
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I am mainly talking about pressure from the Ends
Our 3rd down defense was the worst part of our defense, simply because of poor man coverage by safeties, and no pass rush.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
Oh, ignore the comment below then.
We do need pass rush help from the DEs out of the nickel.
Can LaBoy play DE in the nickel defense?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 24, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And he still gets pressure.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 24, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
No point.
Mays has no cover skills, so his usefulness as an actual safety is thin. Your argument seems to be that you’d basically be playing him as a 4th linebacker, in which case…why not just use a 4th linebacker? He may play like one, but he’s just…not. Takeo Spikes is far more valuable in base packages than Mays at this point, and I would imagine that the idea is to have Bowman be his replacement long term.
You’re essentially gimping your run defense by having someone play out of position without actually adding any help against the pass in what I assume is meant to be a trade-off. Derp.
And before the argument comes up: no – a 4.4 40 time does not equate to pass defense.
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Goldson is always injuryed
I say sign Atogwe, cut lewis
he made it through 2009 without a stain on his shirt
so I dunno if that’s a valid argument at this point
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He was always hurt before that
Why do you think it took him so long to replace Mark Roman?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 21, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, I blame that on Nolan
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Singletary didn't put Goldson in for Roman in 2008
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
he probably had something to do with it
I just prefer to blame Nolan
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Blaming Nolan always works.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the whole family connection..
Hurts his chances of being a Niner more than they would help him, the perception of favoritism can be poison in a locker-room. Football is also such a bottom line business that I think Singletary would be wary of bringing in his son-in-law as a player. Suppose Atogwe does sign with us and works out great, does Singletary want to be the guy who has to tell him he’s too old to keep playing in 5 years?
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
i coached my blood-son in flag football this winter
and I found that I was HARDER on him than others. Plus, he already respects me so if I had to pull him from a game to give someone else playing time, or he wasn’t doing his job…he just did it. Then again, i have a great son.
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You were HARDER on your son.
That means you care more about your son (pretty natural) than the other players. In any event by saying you were harder than him, that means you treated him in some way different. Other kids could have picked up on that and been jealous. Hell other kids may not have a dad around and could have been jealous that your son’s dad takes the time to coach the team. Personally, when I was a kid and on a sports team I was always a little jealous of the kids whose father’s coached. They always seemed to start and play the glory positions too…
I just want to make clear that I’m not saying any of this literally happened with your son or team, I wasn’t there. I’m just saying that when family and sports are involved, these are the types of things that can happen.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on May 22, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
The fact that you were harder on your kid...
was probably not so good for him, and I can guarantee you that it did absolutely nothing to dispel any perception of favoritism in the locker room. I’ve noticed that people’s perceptions all to frequently have absolutely nothing to do with what’s actually going on. If I were you, I’d seek to put my kid on another team.
That depends on a couple of things
Is he the best coach or how does he compare to the other coaches? How old is his son? Some kids can handle taking the extra pressure from a parent and some parents can show no favoritism to their own children. It’s really up to Tre9er to decide if his son needs the coaching of someone else. At the flag football level, it’s probably not a big deal. And once his son reaches junior high where they start having school sports teams, then he may ease back and allow his son to pick which team he wants to be on.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that there is favoritism.
There probably isn’t. This will not stop parents and other kids on the team from insisting that there is, though. That’s my major point.
Every case is unique
Pretty much all coaches of team sports outside of school sports are parents of one of the children. So unless he feels like it is affecting his son or that there is another coach who can better teach his son, then I don’t see a problem with it.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
my son didn't play any more than other kids
unless those kids didn’t want to play (they literally run to their parents during games if they get hurt or don’t want to play). The age group was 5-8 years old. when I say I was harder on him I mean that I expected him to not fool around and be paying attention more. It’s easier to correct your own kid because you answer to only yourself, not some over sensitive parent who thinks I should be hugging them to victory instead of running drills.
My son didn’t receive any extra coaching during practices…for the most part the only difference was as I said, I expected more of him.
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This has gotten way off topic. I think it’s awesome that you take the time to coach kids and lame that we’re dissecting it to prove a point, but that can be the problem with anecdotal evidence sometimes.
I’m going to try to make this point a different way by taking football out of it. As fans sometimes we forget that these are grown men going to their jobs.
If you work for a company and the bosses son is one of your peers and he does well and has more success than you maybe it’s because he worked harder than you and he’s better than you. Few people would see things that way though as everyone views themselves as the hero in the narrative of their life. We tend to put up blinders to information that may cast a negative self perception and instead choose to believe things like “The bosses son is getting special treatment!”.
And in my opinion, that’s one of the best case scenarios, worse would be if there actually is any nepotism and in the “Bosses son” situation, there usually is.
Just to take this a step further, defensive assignment can dictate productivity to an extent. In the safety position for example the 49ers have stated they want “Mirror Safeties” so lets say Atogwe and Goldson are starting for the 49ers. OK, so lets say that independent of any influence from Singletary game situations and scheme dictate that Goldson is more often assigned to man coverage on deep receivers and Atogwe gets more plays freelancing, also lets say that Atogwe blitzes more often than Goldson.
So lets say in this situation that both safeties play their assignment equally well, but Atogwe had many more sacks and interceptions, makes the pro bowl and raises his value on the market to a greater extent than Goldson.
Do you really think Goldson is going to take the high road and believe that it was just happenstance that scheme and match-ups created all that opportunity for Atogwe, or will the jealousy over the MILLIONS more dollars that he could have made if his number were just called more often on blitzes or if he was allowed to play more center-field and rack up interceptions? That’s what I’m talking about when I say that the perception of favoritism is just as much poison as the real thing.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on May 24, 2010 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I get that.
good points. I actually think Goldson is the type who WOULD make the nepotism case…though many others wouldn’t. Goldson has done little to diminish an image of “me first”, which is the way the world tells us to live anyways. “Take care of you and yours!”. Imagine if we all did that. Nobody ever helps you out. Nobody sacrifices. Flat tire in the rain and mud, and you have no cell phone coverage? “Sorry, can’t help…gotta take care of mine.”
Another tangent…sorry I just can’t stand that type of attitude. I’d literally be nowhere without the help I received along the way.
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At first I said no, but
I say we should consider signing him. Here’s why I think so:
1) Even though Mays is on the roster, we can’t say we have true depth at the position with a rookie, a glorified rookie (Taylor), and a veteran who hasn’t played a full season currently backing up Goldson and Lewis.
2) The Rams don’t seem to be interested in paying Atogwe even an average of $3.5MM/yr, which is what his Ram counterpart James Butler is currently making. We have Goldson who is wanting to become one of the highest paid safeties in the league. Although Goldson had a breakout season last year and has the potential to have an even bigger season this year, what he ultimately does this season is going to play a part in determining how we bring him back. Presuming Atogwe performs well enough with us, we could use the terms of his deal to help gauge on what terms we would be willing to let Goldson return.
3) Lewis is signed until 2012. I think he makes the team this year because I don’t think he should have to be paid roughly $1M to let him go (he’s going into the third year of a $30MM contract with $10MM guaranteed. It looks like he’s already been paid about $9MM+ of it.) Next year he will be due over $5.5MM. Too much for a guy who has been very good, but not necessarily superb.
All in all I think signing Atogwe accomplishes two things. It gets us younger at the position and gives us better options on how we structure the S position after this year.
86 days to go. . .
I like point 2
we could essentially play them against each other to negotiate the best price…hopefully we can get Goldson to stay, but if Atogwe says he’ll take less than Dashon wants…that becomes hard to pass up.
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It would probably be a good deal in the long run
Give Atogwe a 3-4 year deal and guarantee most or all his money in the first two years. In those first couple years we have a young Mays who is working on his cover skills and getting a decent amount of playing time in various situations. Even if Mays is more than ready to play full time after that time and we still have Atogwe, we have clearer options on his future because we’d be on the hook for little money if any at all.
85 days to go. . .
I like the part where you talk about eventually letting Lewis go.
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by Johnnysixnut on May 24, 2010 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha, thanks for the words Tre but it wasn't a big deal or anything.
Not really worth a mention, but it was a good post regardless. I really like Goldson, I’d like him to stick around, but if the money is not right, OJ Atogwe might be the best “consolation” prize I’ve ever seen.
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Hmmm Get Atogwe....
You can never have to much talent. Throw Mays as a backup or start him at OLB. Imagine Willis with a 4.38 as MLB which is amazing and Mays with 4.3 blitzing around the outside!! crazy… But really we don’t need him, we need a CB if anything.
Think'n no...
they said from way back when their gonna take care of their own .. yes if would nice to have O J … but i’m think’n down the road Goldson ( May ) end up the better player …!!
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Goldson can ask for all the money in the world
But until he has more than 2 good seasons he is just dreaming. he had a great end of last season, but the begining was not very great. So he has 1/2 of a good season. Even if he has a great season this year he wont get that kind of money.
he'll get close
if he has a 80+ tackle, 10 PD, 6+ INT, 4+ FF season this year…he’s going to get paid on the market. there’s always a team willing to pay these guys. See: Antrel Rolle
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probably wont even need that good of a season
Rolle’s 2009 numbers:
72 tackles, 8 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF
2010 numbers:
89 tackles, 5 PD, 1 INT, 0 FF
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Here's my thing
Top paid safety in the league last year was Adrian Wilson at just over $7 million. Atogwe made $6.3 milion.
Rolle signed a 5 year $37 million deal with $15 million guaranteed.
If Goldson wants to make top safety money we’re looking in the neighborhood of 5 years $40 million with $15-20 being guaranteed.
Atogwe can probably command a five or six year deal worth $35 million (if Rolle can do it Atogwe ought to be able to). If Goldson wants the same kind of money, why not pay the guy who’s younger and already knows the system?
I was right, you were wrong.
Because Atogwe is better?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 21, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he that much better?
I think that Goldson’s upside is better than Atogwe now.
Consistency is the key with Goldson. I do think we have room to sign Atogwe this year, and if Goldson steps up his game great, we’ll sign him too.
If he doesn’t step it up that’s ok too. We can have our starting safeties be Atogwe and Mays and I’d be very happy with that combination.
I was right, you were wrong.
If we can really afford them both come 2011
then great. Otherwise you’re establishing a hierarchy based on finances of Atogwe, then Goldson. What if Atogwe plays horribly, and has nagging injuries while Goldson shines? We’ll have to sign both then and might end up with only one good player. If the flip side is true (Atogwe shines, Goldson sucks in 2010) we’re fine since Dashon’s deal is up.
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Why would Atogwe play horribly?
He’s never done so in the past.
All of a sudden he sucks after years of dominance?
And he’s never been injury prone….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he was just talking "what if" scenarios.
he was more saying that it may be hard to carry both then decide which one you want to keep after the season.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
injury prone, no
but season ending shoulder injury and then off-season hernia surgery to boot certainly adds to potential…I mean, if we’re going to point to guys who have been injured in the past and say that makes them more injury prone…why doesn’t Atogwe’s injuries and surgery count?
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Because he's never been injury prone in the past
And Hernia surgery is not major.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Hernias can be a nagging injury though
even after surgery.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I know several people that have had hernia surgery
One of them was an athlete (track)
None have had problems since.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
can't find good numbers specific to the NFL
but a 2000 NE Journal of Medicine pegged recurrence at between 24% to 48% depending on method of repair. The bio mesh is most effective.
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Yeah all of the people I know got the mesh thingy.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 24, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably thinking of herniated discs
herniated discs are nagging injuries… hernias not so much
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 24, 2010 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Last year, tight end Jeremy Shockey had surgery performed by Dr. Meyers and missed three games. But he wasn’t quite 100 percent when he came back, and the injury remained a nagging problem.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/12/new_orleans_saints_cornerback_4.html
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 24, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that's Shockey
He’s always injured and all of his injuries are “nagging”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 24, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't stand Jeremy Shockey
Probably just me. I just feel like the man oozes obnoxiousness. .
83 days to go. . .
You're not alone
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 24, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
And Kevin Curtis had to have the surgery twice
I’m not saying that it will happen, but obviously something is keeping teams from offering him a contract and the Rams are not giving him the money he wants and that mostly likely means teams are wary of his injuries.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 25, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah the Rams don't want to pay him $8 million to franchise him this year
and don’t want to pay him the $6 million per year he could likely get elsewhere.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Because the Rams clearly know what they're doing right?
3 wins in 2 years screams excellence.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say they knew what they were doing
saying that there’s a method to their madness and it’s not a lack of stellar play by Atogowe as ZeroOneInfiity was implying
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
I thought you were implying it too
ok, then.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 26, 2010 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions
but I can't say I hate the idea
of both of them, plus Mays on the same team…though I wonder where, when Mays fits in
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but
i thought atogwe wanted big money too? how much would he want compared to what goldson wants?
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
It would just be for one season
we sign Atogwe to a deal, see how Goldson performs. If he wants an outrageous amount we let him walk. If he wants a reasonable amount we sign him too.
I was right, you were wrong.
Smileyman is right!!!!!!!!
Goldson is not just younger and knows the system, but does have more upside. He just started his 1st year as a starter and after a little struggle, he finished stronger than any safety that I know. If he can continue to be consistent and make plays, then he will be one of the leauges best safeties. I like Goldson, but the NFL needs to STOP over paying these guys. It comes strait from the fans pockets when money is thrown around like this. I don’t have $500 to go see a game week in and week out and I don’t want to see the game from outerspace (Nosebleed seats). Prince Albert getting $100 Million? The guys a joke, he is a selfish player that only cares about his stats and not wins. Justin Smith sacrificed stats when he came here and doesn’t complain when he is overlooked for the Pro Bowl.
Chris Johnson deserves more than 500,000 for this next year. Titans are cheap and I hope he leaves there after being mistreated and unrespected.
by ericalancanty on May 22, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
First
Justin Smith is making pretty much the same stats as he has been making all throughout his career with the 49ers. Really, that speaks about the skill of Justin Smith. And he made his first Pro Bowl in 2009, so how is he being overlooked?
But are you arguing for paying Goldson top safety money or against?
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Why are you knocking on Pujols?
He can retire right now and get into the HOF.
He’s a legend.
Chris Johnson deserves what he’s getting paid. He agreed to the rookie contract. Besides, history says that CJ2K is in for a really rough year…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying "Go sign Atogwe right NOW!"
But I can acknowledge that Atogwe is a much better safety than Goldson.
He led the league in turnovers from like 2006-2008 (more than Ed Reed) before he got hurt in 2009 (he was doing really good in 2009 too).
Atogwe is better in coverage, he has better hands, better instincts, just as good physical abilities and may be slightly worse against the run.
There is no reason for Goldson to be paid more than Atogwe.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Stick with Goldson..
OJ is a great player, but Goldsons just showing his potential and last year was his first year as a starter.
Goldson is 3 years younger knows the system, I’d stick with him.
I miss Joe Montana/Steve Young/Jeff Garcia
by Mr HowsYourWife on May 21, 2010 11:13 PM PDT reply actions
As much as I like Goldson's skills...
Wasn’t no-one singing his praises untill the Monday night game against AZ?
jacobtaylor2002
by jacobtaylor2002 on May 22, 2010 1:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As much as I like Goldson's skills...
Wasn’t no-one singing his praises untill the Monday night game against AZ? One game doesn’t make you an elite saftey. Or am I missing something?
jacobtaylor2002
by jacobtaylor2002 on May 22, 2010 1:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
bye week or so
he played a lot better the second half of the season. Yes, his missile technique proved effective in the AZ MNF game (and I hope he doesn’t keep using it for every tackle from now on because he missed more than a few tackles that way early on in 2009)
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True
He had his fair share of terrible games, but he played better down the stretch.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Goldson is not a team guy, he is a ME first guy, we will see at the end of the season that we should have taken Atogwe, but I doubt we will.
There's no Santa Clause?? I'm going on a rage infuriated streak!!
but
i thought atogwe wanted big money too? how much would he want compared to what goldson wants? is he that much better than goldson thats it worth taking a player thats 3 yrs older n wants dough?
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
Atogwe has production for more than one season to justify getting the money. Goldson has one season. His first two make a max high dollar deal premature.
There's no Santa Clause?? I'm going on a rage infuriated streak!!
We have a young team
Let’s stick with the young guy. If Goldson’s head gets too inflated Sing will take care of that pdq.
There's a red thingy and its heading towards a green thingy and I think we're the green thingy.
Sing cannot control greed. It's just like Sing rallied the defense vs the Falcons, he had everyone's attention except Goldson's
Goldson gave up the TD on the next play. I hope they selected Mays to take his spot and will use R Smith as SS or have other plans.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
This
I do like the idea of Reggie Smith becoming a starter.
If the safety positions really are interchangeable then Mays and Smith could be on the field at the same time and it would allow Manusky to get even more creative.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
What do you see from Smith to make him a viable starting Safety? He’s played a grand total of 13 games in a two year stint and out of that had 7 tackles, no sacks and no PD. Honestly I must be missing something cuz I just don’t see it. Please enlighten me. Not so much doubting you as want to hear your points and reasons why.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on May 23, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Numbers including playing time?
Reggie’s injury concerns are what wories me. A player that is good, great even, fabulous even, that cannot stay on the field due to injuries is of no value. I guess that plus seeing something viable some actual points of viability would be good. I think that if we had him playing CB that could be valuable to us. But I want to see it. LOL I sound like I’m from Missouri and not Virginia huh?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on May 23, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Goldson had a similar injury history before 2009
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh ok then
maybe I’m worrying overly then.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on May 24, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It's partially based on his play in college
He was a good prospect and he’s played well in pre-season..
He just can’t stay healthy.
I’m not saying he’ll definitely be a starter. Just that if he steps up and becomes a solid starter, the team doesn’t have to sign Goldson.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Singletary...
..could say their safety positions are interchangeable all he wants, but they’re not. They really aren’t—not at all. We have plenty to go on as far as Greg Manusky’s defense goes and all signs point to FS and SS being plenty different. Mays would fail as a FS. In a hard fashion.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
I can agree on what we have seen, but I think the reasoning is we don't have two safeties close in similar skill sets.
Both can tackle but one cannot play every defensive spot in zones and man coverage. When we have two safeties that are closer in skill set we will see it.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
I know what you mean, I just think for a fact Mays would be a bad FS.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
I agree
mainly because I think they should play Mays to his strengths, which would be a SS. I would love to see Mays develop into a FS like Brian Dawkins, but I’m not sure Mays can handle coverage like Dawkins.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
sing
seems pretty confident that he can improve mays’ skill in pass coverage.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
by redrum21225 on May 22, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Improving from nothing doesn't say a lot, you know?
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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by James Brady on May 22, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol
While I feel the same way you do, I think zone coverage is something that can be taught to a smart player. Mays will probably never develop enough that I would trust him one on one in man coverage, but I do think he can learn enough to where he will be adequate in zone coverage that he will not be a liability. How long that takes is another story.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 23, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions
..I didn't say anything bad about his coverage.
:/ I’m all for Mays being coached up—he can. If he does what he’s asked as well as he does, who’s to say he can’t do that when he’s asked to? But putting him at FS when we have Goldson is ludicrous.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
Improving from nothing doesn’t say a lot, you know?
I took that as you saying that Mays has no coverage skills.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 23, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He has none right now.
But he can be coached up.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
We are assuming that Goldson won't be re-signed
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
So put Reggie Smith at FS
And Mays at SS.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Atogwe really is that much better
For god’s sake, he was comparable to Ed Reed going into 2009
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I made this comment on the fanshot that was up
[on the subject of the Rams filing tampering charges should OJ come to San Francisco] I doubt it. The Rams don’t even want to sign Atogwe, and he’ll likely walk June 1. This is something that makes me sick to my stomach. St. Louis has such a solid FS, and they won’t even pay the guy. The team won’t go to the trouble of filing tampering charges, because they don’t even care about Atogwe.
Prior to the draft, I was hoping the 49ers would make a move to get Atogwe, but now the team has a log jam at safety. I know Taylor Mays is a rookie, but I think he’s going to be fairly reliable after he’s "coached up". Goldson is in a contract year, but I’d still like to see the team give him the full slate of games at FS again this season. If he plays well and earns himself a contract, San Francisco won’t be shy about paying him (they do take care of their own, unlike St. Louis).
Michael Lewis, well, I don’t think any of us know just how close he is to being finished (concussion wise). When healthy, he can still play pretty good football. Signing Atogwe at this point, would just create an unneccesary influx at the position. Hopefully O.J. gets a one-year deal with a team, and the 49ers can knock on his door during the offseason (if Goldson decides to ask for the moon in terms of new contract).
by Andrew Davidson on May 22, 2010 10:32 AM PDT reply actions
Signing Atogwe at this point, would just create an unneccesary influx at the position.
And suck resources away from certain players that we HAVE to lock up.
Meanwhile it is strange about the Rams… BWTFDIK.
There's a red thingy and its heading towards a green thingy and I think we're the green thingy.
yep
I agree, may as well see how “our” guys do. I’m sure Atogwe wouldn’t mind signing a one year deal somewhere for around $7-8 million. That way, next season, if need be, the 49ers can look and see if he’s worth adding.
by Andrew Davidson on May 22, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Goldson wanting the same amount of money as Atogwe?
So either way, it sounds like we will be shelling out top money for a safety. This boils down to does the team want the proven player (Atogwe) or the potential (Goldson).
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
So do you see Atogwe as worth that much to this team?
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He is worth more than Goldson. We aren't gonna sign either of them to 5 or 6 years.
Both tickets may be too high, but I would pay more for Atogwe. There have been several players that have been about money and they are the quickest to fold when they get it.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
I would pay more for Atogwe too
but if it’s within spitting distance I think it’s a toss-up because I think Goldson’s upper limit could be higher than where Atogwe is right now.
I was right, you were wrong.
Based on what?? I'm just wondering, he can easily be the let down after the signing type of player.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
Well
Crabtree appears to be an exception at this point.
There's a red thingy and its heading towards a green thingy and I think we're the green thingy.
Crabtree was all about the money
He certainly hasn’t been a ‘let down after the signing’.
There's a red thingy and its heading towards a green thingy and I think we're the green thingy.
Crabtree's mistake
was listening to his agent. I don’t think he’s as greedy as people may think
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Not anymore!
There's a red thingy and its heading towards a green thingy and I think we're the green thingy.
Crabtree was not all about the money, he ended up with a worse deal than he shut down, Crabtree was influenced by people that were saying you can get more elsewhere.
He’s not tweetin about gettin paid, but he wasn’t a 4th round pick that has one out of 3 years of production. Crab’s first year, although half of one, was productive.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
Crabs will make the pro bowl this year
Dashon will end up with 85 tackles 2 ints and 1 FF and will rightfully not even be considered
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 2, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
When was the last time this team paid for potential on a second contract.
I said it before Goldson will not be a Niner in the future, he’s money hungry and selfish, and I said this before the twitter feeds were discussed.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
We're not that far off in opinions here
The Niners aren’t offering him a deal now because he hasn’t realized his potential and they won’t offer him a deal that he wants unless he has a monster year next season and even the maybe not.
(See Franklin, Aubrayo)
I was right, you were wrong.
Yes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
But Goldson's potential isn't even THAT high
At best he’ll be just as good as Atogwe.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And that is what the coaches have to decide
They have to say that Atogwe is this good, then say that Goldson is currently this good with the potential to get this good. If that does not come close to how they feel about Atogwe, then that is their decision.
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 22, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think Goldson’s upper limit is higher than what Atogwe has played at.
Whether he’ll hit that once he’s rolling in the money remains to be seen.
I was right, you were wrong.
Hogher than Atogwe has played???
Goldson in his 3rd season was half the player of Atogwe, so Goldson will get twice as good, highly doubtful.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
If only it were simple as that.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
Admittedly
I’m basing this on the last 1/4 of the 2009 season.
Goldson was playing at an elite level by that point. The concern is if he can play at that level for an entire year.
If he can I think he’s definitely a better option than Atgowe.
If he goes back to his normal self with one or two breakout games a season he won’t be worth what he wants.
I was right, you were wrong.
The last 1/4 of he season had his two breakout games.
Cards game made him look elite, but he was far from it. McNabb (who’s not even a top 10 QB) torched us for 300 yds and Goldson didn’t notch one PD. He had one PD and pick vs Detroit and nothing vs the Rams, he hardly played at an elite level, be he thinks he had an elite season and wants elite money. Why else would you get Rosenhaus?? Goldson did not play at an elite level all year. He had one great game vs the Cards which was a big game for the team. However, he will ask for money he is not worth, and I think we all see it coming. He’s th number 3 FS in this division as of now and he will want to be the highest paid, HELL NO!!!
Black Sand Ninja!!!
Absolutely correct
If Goldson wants to get paid so bad for having had 1 good stretch let him go somewhere else and we’ll go after proven Atwoge
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 24, 2010 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Franchise him and trade him or look for a trade now.
I’d try to extend him now for 2 years, give him a chance to prove his worth and still be young for his position, when that contract is up.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
I would be ok with the extension
and if he puts together another 2 damn good years and gets to the pro bowl i’d pay the man. Atwoge has already done that. He deserves the cash now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 2, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Atogwe has played better than Ed Reed
I just don’t think that Goldson will ever be as good as Ed Reed.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bottom Line
Is he worth what the Giants spent on Rolle? NO. Is he worth what Berry will sign for? NO. Will he demand Rolle’s contract at minimum? Yes. Will we pay that? I hope not.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
As you mentioned above
Reggie Smith better step up.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 22, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Detroit
is gonna be going hard for Atogwe, And they might be the team that pays him 7 mill a year. There is no way the 9ers try to pay him that much when we have alot of guys on the team that they would like to resign.
I'm happy for them
Atogwe would be a great mentor to Louis Delmas.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 23, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Goldson is not worth top dollar
I would rather go to battle with Reggie Smith than overpay Goldson for 2 great games. We could be getting a player worth his contract, but we could also be waiting another 2-3 years to admit our mistake with an inconsistent injury-prone player. And we certainly WONT be getting more than we pay for. So where is the “upside” exactly??
The niners have other players worth more than Goldson, and QB will be an expensive position next year, even if Smith doesnt work out (bad smith = poor season = high draft pick QB).
Glad to see nobody else really thinks Goldson is the bees knees
Sure, he’s a good player who’s performance is on the ascent, but let’s not get carried away and think he’s remotely worth top dollar after a few good games. Ed Reed, Adrian Wilson, Darren Sharper? Heck, Jairus Byrd had 9 INTs in his rookie year, I guess his agents are already talking to the Bills about his $60M extension.
Players and their agents always want to compare themselves to guys who got stupid contracts (i.e. Antrel Rolle). Goldson has done virtually nothing in his career and deserves to be paid as such. If he plays next year and plays well, pay the man. If he’s gonna be all whiny about his contract, not come to camp and such, he’ll lose out on some key time to improve his game (which he still needs to do), he will not perform well next year in SF or elsewhere, and ultimately he will NOT get the contract he wants.
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on May 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
I have to say
he has not missed any time in OTA’s. So at least he’s not pouting by avoiding the place.
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He has Rosenhaus, I'm sure he knows a bad attitiude will cost both of them money.
Last year of the contract keep your head up and don’t talk about it and perform. He will not be a 49er in 2011, if there is a season.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
trade him to the raiders
and let his career die in obscurity
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You are a cruel cruel man
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 2, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
reward a lack of loyalty
with a lack of loyalty
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tomorrow is the day hombres
sign OJ, stick dashon goldson at SS or trade him, cut michael lewis if dashon is moved to SS, taylor mays is next in line for the SS position
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on May 31, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions
actually they have THROUGH today to retender him
I thought it was BY today.
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Isn't anyone else surprised by the lack of interest in Atogwe by ANY teams?
It’s been a few days since he became a FA and all we’ve heard about was “possible landing spots” but no visits, talks, etc. Do the Rams know something the rest of us don’t? How is his injury coming along? Does he want so much money that it’s reducing any potential interest he would have otherwise had?
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Let's talk on Twitter
Several teams have shown interest....
But you’re right…something is up.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 4, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
several teams have reportedly been "possible destinations"
but usually like when the FA period opens in Feb there are lots of visits right away, instant signings, etc. It’s been days and nothing of the sort.
"I will speak at times, when it's necessary, but I don't believe in talking just because you can." - P-52
Let's talk on Twitter
Tweet Maiocco about it
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 4, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
he’ll give the corporate answer, part of the reason I don’t really value everything he says.
on another note, just two more comments to reach 200!
"I will speak at times, when it's necessary, but I don't believe in talking just because you can." - P-52
Let's talk on Twitter
You already have 2000 tweets?
Whoa.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 5, 2010 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I do tweet a lot
and Goldson looks to be our Safety in 2010 sans any play on Atogwe (back on topic for the 200th comment!)
"I will speak at times, when it's necessary, but I don't believe in talking just because you can." - P-52
Let's talk on Twitter
Yep
200 comments and no chance of Atogwe coming to SF. I think our job here is done. Well done, Tre9er.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Jun 6, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
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