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2010 49ers Roster Projections: Quarterbacks

Some of my favorite posts of the post-draft period are the 49ers 53-man roster projections that we put together. In years past we'd take a look at positions and roll out multiple 53-man roster projections over the offseason. Last offseason, we took it a step further by doing a position-by-position breakdown of players that were locks and on the bubble. From those posts we can get an idea of how to manufacture the site's 53-man roster projection. After all, there are certain guys I see as locks that you might view as on the bubble, or guys I view as having no chance that you see as being bubble players. Part of the benefit of this exercise is to also help us project out the practice squad.

I thought we'd start off with one of the easier positions to break down, but one that will certainly generate a torrent of debate: the 49ers quarterbacks. At this point, we've got some fairly solid ideas about QB1 and QB2, but after that it gets a little more interesting. I've got my own thoughts on that battle, but I'm fairly positive there will be some strong disagreement.

Locks
Alex Smith, David Carr

Bubble
Nate Davis, Jarrett Brown

After the jump, we dive into the "controversy" if you will...

Star-divide

Whether you're somehow convinced that David Carr will pull the upset in training camp, or you're more grounded in what I like to call "reality," it's safe to say these two guys will be on the roster come week 1. I actually don't even think it's conceivable that Carr gets bounced off the roster. Even if Nate Davis and/or Jarrett Brown are absolutely spectacular in training camp, I'm fairly certain Mike Singletary wants to have a veteran backup for Alex Smith. I've been wrong before, but I'd be willing to bet a lot on this one.

So, rather than extend the same debate on Alex Smith, let's look at what really matters for the purposes of our 53-man roster projection. The real question at this point is which of Davis or Brown ends up as the #3 quarterback, and whether the team might keep four QBs. I'm pretty sure four quarterbacks is not in the cards. I included it in the poll just so people have that option. If you do think the team keeps 4, I'd love to know why. So, assuming the team doesn't keep four quarterbacks, one of these two guys will be shown the door before September 12. I suppose one could end up on the practice squad, but we'll just look at this as far as the 53-man roster is concerned.

After the recent OTAs, Matt Maiocco put together a quick review on all of the offensive players. He had this to say about Brown and Davis:

3-Jarrett Brown: The undrafted rookie from West Virginia did not receive any reps during 11-on-11 or 7-on-7, as he begins the arduous process of learning the offense.

7-Nate Davis: He received between 15 and 20 snaps during 11-on-11 work over the course of the four days. He really does have a cannon for an arm and throws with great velocity when he's on the move, too. The accuracy isn't always there, though, as sometimes the ball comes out wobbly. There were some good signs, such as his standing at the line of scrimmage and directing traffic pre-snap. He's showing greater comfort in what he's being asked to do. The learning continues.

Even the biggest Nate Davis-hater would have to admit that Davis has a big head-start over Brown when it comes to making the roster. He's got a long way to go, but a full year in the offense, even if he wasn't getting many practice reps is light years ahead of Brown. For the folks hoping the team goes with Brown, do you think he has enough time in the next two months to be sufficiently ready at training camp to make a big impact?

I'm not saying it won't be a battle for that 3rd QB spot, but I honestly think Brown is a little closer to off the bubble than others might think. Maybe he'll surprise some folks in training camp, but he has a long road ahead of him, and very little time to get down it.

Poll
Which QB will be on the 49ers 53-man roster in week 1?
Nate Davis
1160 votes
Jarrett Brown
90 votes
Both
60 votes
Neither (one or both on practice squad)
56 votes
Neither (both cut)
11 votes

1377 votes | Poll has closed

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Nate Davis

will come out and light it up in pre-season, just like last year if not better, and the NDIOF pundits will come out of the woodwork. I think that’s a given.

He does have a head start on Brown and the 49ers invested a higher draft pick, and an entire year with Davis.

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 7:06 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

You are right with everything you have said.

But what happens when he is our #1QB, been in that role for two years. Then we get a new coach & a new OC, (just talking. I love Coach Sing, & if J Ray opens up the playbook he can stay.) How long will it take Nate to learn a new O. Can he learn five different O’es every year for four or five years. Alex did. If we got a new OC next year, & Nate (for whatever reason) is the starting QB, in all honesty do you think he would be ready to run the O in September? Remember he has a learning disability. That is the part that concerns me. Weather he can learn fast enough. No disrespect to any one with a disability,But this is football. Where you have to learn fast & play hard.

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by L. J on May 25, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not in the NDIOF crew

I think he has upside, but for now, that’s it

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Given that Alex Smith has had big problems with new OCs every year I would assume Nate Davis would too.

I am going to make a couple more assumptions. One is that Sing is going to be the HC for sometime. I think his job is secure.
Another is that either the QB coach or Receivers coach is in line to take over from Raye at some point. I get the feeling that this was setup when Raye was hired. Sing is planning on the NOW and on the Future.
Given that, and that what I have read about this past OTA is that Nate Davis has picked up the playbook pretty well. Since he doesn’t get many reps, it is more difficult. But he is accurate and has a strong arm. And, except for his last couple games in College, he was a highly ranked QB coming out.

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by Eastbayjim on May 25, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate Davis will be a preseason star

If they give him long enough to develop in the same system, he might be a regular season star, too.

by bmoyer on May 25, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Davis already had an extra year to learn the system, so him

Though I would think Brown would be kept on the practice squad.

by RedWings49 on May 25, 2010 7:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I could see

Davis at some point in the season supplanting Carr at #2.

by Bob In Beaverton on May 25, 2010 7:38 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

yup

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on May 25, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

based on what?

"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary

by dutra on May 25, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Are we supposed to base projections and statements on something?

by brundylop on May 25, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

yes

like at least “the fortune teller said so”

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

"my gut" counts as an answer.

"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary

by dutra on May 25, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think he will just based on my comment below

Lots of positives and no negative results in his play thus far. Sure he played against scrubs. The fact is, he hasn’t done anything wrong, and he has done a lot right. He’s shown some good positives (arm strength, accuracy, touch, pocket presence, etc), and his supposed negatives (learning disability, no laces, etc) have not seemed to interfere with his play at all. His play has at least been solid. Carr could still stay on the team as a number 3.

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Srry, note that he must improve in pre-season this year.

If he does show significant improvement, I can definitely see him as the number 2 going forward. Remember, Carr is pretty much unproven too. He is thought to have good ability, but his record, stats, etc show otherwise. Sure he had a bad o-line, but there is no proof yet that he can be a good qb.

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

proof

a. he’s been a starter in the NFL. Results aside, he has been evaluated by professionals and given opportunities in the professional realm against professional defenses.

last year in backup duty. Carr actually performed rather well. It was a nice indication of what he can do here, as he played in an offense full of weapons.

Personally, I don’t think Davis should be bumped ahead of Carr based solely on the weight of their potential mistakes. Carr has made his mistakes at the NFL level and has had to learn from them. Davis has yet to make those mistakes, and the Niner org is not at a point in its history to allow for those mistakes. 3 years ago…fine, let him in and stumble around a bit. in a playoff year…no way. Not now.

by t p on May 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I am also a rookie

apparently, if you type ‘b.’ then a string of text, it will embolden it for you.

nice to know.

by t p on May 25, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

didn't know that

but I did know if you put a dash before and after something it strikes it…i think

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

test

did it strike it?

did it bold it?

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

bamm!

nailed it. you’re ready for the playoffs tre!

by t p on May 25, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

gotta do b and then period

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

b, period, space, then text

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Korry Shets Wass Oor Foocher

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'll try another one
did it italicize it?

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

we're mucking up Fooch's thread

something good

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

fother muck!

by t p on May 25, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

took me a minute

but I get it now. reminds me of the “Muck Fichigan” shirts we used to wear in Iowa before that game

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Again, Pre-Season is Needed

If Nate Davis lights it up in pre-season and Carr doesn’t look too good, I could see it happening.

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

hard to guage

how do you roll your rotation?

do you put nate in as #2 for the preseason? just a game or 2?

the main prob with taking the risk is that, even in college, Nate hasn’t seen anything remotely close to pro ball. he’s gonna have problems with the speed of the D.

if you want to say that he lights it up to the point that he’s an acceptable risk, you have to see him against first team defenses.
and, you’re not going to see that when we’re tooling up our QB situation to be a playoff caliber rotation.

by t p on May 25, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

See Huard, Damon

That veteran we brought in last year looked good, but didn’t get much game time. He was cut eventually.

I see it like this:

Game 1 Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis,

Game 2 Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis,

Game 3 Alex Smith, Nate Davis, David Carr

Game 4 Nate Davis, David Carr

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or even

Just let Davis play all of game 4. See if he makes mistakes.

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you arent serious

cause that’s pretty nuts.

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by Drew Kerr on May 25, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I didn’t make it clear that I was talking about the four preseason games. This isn’t depth chart, this is the order in which they play. For example preseason game 1 Alex Smith starts, gets replaced eventually by david carr, and then Nate Davis closes it out.

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh ok… that makes more sense I suppose.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 25, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Brown gets NO pre-season snaps?
I don’t really like that…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on May 25, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be smart if they plan to stash him on the PS

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

People know how good he is from his college film

wont work. I personally am pulling for Brown over Davis.

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by Drew Kerr on May 26, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then why was he not drafted?

I was a big fan of Brown before the draft and thought he would be worth a 5th-7th round pick. But if he the coaches believe that Nate Davis is better, then I’m going with the coaches.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 26, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Idk

I am still trying to figure that out. I watched him play a few times and he really amazed me. I think consistency was the concern. But he only had the one season to show what he was made of because he played behind Pat White.

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by Drew Kerr on May 26, 2010 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

poop

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on May 27, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you care to elaborate on this??

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on May 27, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nate shouldn't see the field in a regular season game for 2 more seasons

Aaron Rodgers, who’s experiencing success, sat behind Favre for 3 full years before becoming the starter. Alex was thrust into the fray way too early, and has struggled mightily. Davis, with the learning disability, needs a minimum of 2 more seasons before he “knows the playbook like his name”, or he will go through some (many?) of the same trials and tribulations that Alex did. Those of you who see him as our savior (NDIOF) must have patience, allow him to develop and grow into that role. Let’s not ruin another prospect.

I see Smith, Carr, and Davis as #1, #2, and #3 this season, all on the 53, with Brown on the PS and hopefully not being claimed by another team.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on May 25, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a chance

You’re talking about a guy who hardly took any snaps last year supplanting a QB entering his 10th NFL season.

Not gonna happen.

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by smileyman on May 25, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

number two?

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on May 27, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think theres any question

Brown is headed for the PS

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on May 25, 2010 7:42 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It'll likely be Davis...

But I can’t see why we’d even bother. It seems like a waste if he’s still trying to learn the playbook, as has been rumored, and looking at the picture above of him throwing without the laces makes me cringe. I’m not too interested in the OTA work without pads for Davis. Really the only person who I was interested in seeing out of this group during OTA’s was Smith and how comfortable he was.

I’d take Brown in a second and let him learn rather than waste the effort on Davis. We don’t have an offensive coach and a strict gameplan on offense, so I just think Davis will be wasted once the offense starts to adjust. I don’t ever see him as a starter, and that’s what I want from the backup, a guy who could start.

by 9thevolution on May 25, 2010 7:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Davis is better than Brown

Every QB is still learning the playbook their 2nd year. Just like every other player on offense and defense.

by whistlingmountain on May 25, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can somebody answer this question?

I don’t understand why Davis seems to get a lot of attention for not “knowing the playbook” very well, and constantly hear that “he’s learning the playbook”

Yet, it seems to me that Alex Smith, the starting quarterback, is still learning the playbook himself. Isn’t that why we’re all excited that he has the same OC this year? So why does Davis seem to be getting criticism for his slow learning, when even the starting QB is learning himself?

Are these different types of “learning?” As in, is Smith learning the intricacies while Davis still can’t get the basics down? Obviously, only people close to the team can know this for sure, but I’m just befuddled as to why Davis’s knowledge of the playbook is given so much scrutiny.

by brundylop on May 25, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good point, however

IMHO, we all know the saying “Learning is a lifelong experience?.” Well obviously it’s no different in football. Though some people learn faster than others. I think that’s the basic point that most people might be trying to make when comparing the playbook learning between Smith and Davis. To put it a little more bluntly, maybe it’s just an easy way to make the point that Davis isn’t quite ready yet to make the next step up the depth chart. But that’s a one-dimensional way of looking at it. I’d rather know more than that than making a judgement based only on a learning curve.

82 days to go. . .

by Mangoman on May 25, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think he (Davis) knew enough of it to run it in games

ie. he only knew say 20% of the plays max…limiting game-planning, etc. That’s all.

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ask Drew

He has repeatedly asserted/implied that Nate D. is incapable of learning the playbook well enough to ever play during the regular season. I’ve never seen any facts/quotes/blogs to back that up. If he has any I for one would like to see it.

If he can’t cut it he can’t cut it. But no one has made that case as far as I know ~ just personal dislike of the guy I guess.

There's a red thingy and its heading towards a green thingy and I think we're the green thingy.

by riderless on May 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

For everyone above

Smith was capable of learning to play on the fly last year when the playbook was tweaked. I don’t believe Davis is capable of doing the same. While Alex hasn’t been the greatest QB over the course of his career, he has been able to learn a new offense in a single offseason. Again, Davis is likely not capable due to the learning disability. That’s not to knock him, and yeah, his physical talents are great, but the QB position is more mental than anything now. I just don’t have faith in him doing it properly until he can display it against first team defenses and use a wide variety of plays.

As was stated above, and I’ve said countless times before, what happens when our offensive system changes? Nobody was willing to give Smith a chance despite him having 5 OC’s in 5 years. The “faithful” were ready to lynch him based on his performance. Now, what happens when it’s Davis in those shoes? Everyone believes that Sing will be here for a long time and we’ll retain the same offensive system, but nothing is certain except death. If Sing’s offensive philosophy tanks and we need to re-think things, Davis becomes obsolete because we aren’t going to wait 3-4 years for him to learn a new system again.

If we had an x’s and o’s offensive-minded head coach who was successful consistently, I wouldn’t have a problem with Davis. Until that day, I can’t back him as a future starter, at least not at QB. If it was another position player who had this problem, I’d be more lenient.

by 9thevolution on May 26, 2010 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see a reason to keep three QBs on the roster unless the third stringer can play ST. In all reality if Carr and Smith get injured Davis still wouldn’t start, we’d try to sign the best vet who’s not on a roster and is still in great shape… Vinny Testaverde anyone? he’s not 50 yet.

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by Johnnysixnut on May 25, 2010 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I honestly thought that most teams carry 3 quarterbacks, is that not true?

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by dutra on May 25, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

most do

but not all

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Which teams don't?

I’ve never seen a team that doesn’t carry three QBs

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by smileyman on May 25, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Back in the day some teams did

But I think that really was only because the roster limits were smaller. You don’t really see it nowadays. I would think it’s not a risk that any team would want to take.

82 days to go. . .

by Mangoman on May 25, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Colts and Patriots

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well those franchises clearly have their heads in their rectums, we’d be foolish to imitate anything they do, I recant my suggestion.

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by Johnnysixnut on May 26, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Colts had three

Peyton Manning
Curtis Painter
Jim Sorgi

Pats had three listed on their roster but one of them was used as a WR

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by smileyman on May 26, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Giants don't...

or at least didn’t last year.

by 9thevolution on May 26, 2010 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually do think that Davis would start if both Smith and Carr went down.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

yep

it’s a worst case scenario. You can’t have 3 starting caliber QB’s on the roster. Heck, the 3rd string QB is a special exemption to the 46 man game-day roster.

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You can have 3 starting caliber QBs on your roster.. but probably only for one year.

In the case of the 49ers, I can see Davis on the 53 but also inactive on game day.

I can see it now.. Smith plays briliantly for the first 3 games, we are 3 – 0. Then he gets hurt, Carr comes in and by the middle of the second qtr Sing pulls him and puts Davis in.
Davis then goes 13 – 0 with a 110 QB rating, 25 T / 3 Ints (of course he does fantastic in the post season too, and we roll over the Colts in the SB.
P.S. After 3 games Smith is ready to come back but Buffalo offers the 2011 and 2012 1st round picks to the 49ers for Smith and they take it. Bring Brown on to be the 3rd QB.

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by Eastbayjim on May 25, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, maybe I should have said

3 b. proven QB’s who could start games

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Put the Kool-aid down, Jim

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's possible but...

Based on what the 49ers have done in the past as well as recent NFL history in similar situations I’d guess that a vet would be brought in. I think the only way Davis gets on the field this year is if two QBs go down in the same game. Testaverde jokes aside, my first guess would be Culpepper. If Charlie Batch gets cut he’s another guy that could probably plug and play. It also depends on whether the 49ers were in playoff contention when the other QBs went down, I’m assuming the 49ers will be pretty good this year, but if they aren’t in contention Davis would have a better chance to play in a “lets see what the kid can do” scenario.

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by Johnnysixnut on May 26, 2010 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Brown gets any preseason reps

Something tells me the team likes him enough that they wouldnt want to “showcase” him only to have another team pluck him off the practice squad…In 2011 it’ll be Smith #1, Davis #2, and Brown will really begin the developmental process as the #3

by Rep the Bay on May 25, 2010 8:53 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

i should clarify

Maybe some training camp reps, but little to no preseason game reps…I think theres plenty of evaluation to be done with Smith/Carr/Davis that there wont be room to fit in Brown, other than maybe the last preseason game

by Rep the Bay on May 25, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

he'll get some 4th quarter reps

so it will be against scrubs and they can easily stash him. Who knows though, there are only 8 PS spots…he could end up just cut

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by Tre9er on May 25, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

3 QB's on the roster

- Alex Smith will be the QB
- D.Carr is great competition for Smith and sufficient backup to take over if necessary
- Brown was brought in to be competition for N.Davis
- N.Davis has 1 year advantage and has shown often his good physical ability, Davis is learning everything but is also used as competition for the #1 and 2 QB’s so they try to get better physically
- most important point is that too many positions that we have decent depth, we need to include other players on the roster to see how they play and actually will get playing time. QB’s are set with A.Smith, and even Carr behind him.

by fortyniners on May 25, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

nate davis

has a strong arm but that is his only real plus. He is a little short by qb standards, is not very fast and needs a lot of coaching to learn this offense. Brown has just as much arm strength and is a prototypical qb height. He was the fastest qb at the combine so he may value at other positions such as wr, rb, even special teams. He is more of a pure athlete than Davis. Daviss’ one year in the offense might give him the edge to make the roster with Brown ending up on the practice squad.

by rileyg1 on May 25, 2010 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Davis isn’t as fast but he has better mobility. He throws better on the run and he’s better at running to extend plays to make a pass.

by hellaninersfan on May 26, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you click on the picture

to “Browse more photos” you will get quite an interesting caption for the above picture:

From left to right, San Francisco 49ers quarterback David Carr (5), quarterback Alex Smith, quarterback Nate Davis and quarterback Jarrett Brown, passes during NFL football organized team activities at the 49ers training facility in Santa Clara, Calif., Monday, May 17, 2010. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

Although I see a way in which it makes sense, it still seems silly.

by Sebaz49 on May 25, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nate Davis is our future?

Brown’ll go to the practice squad. Davis has too much of an advantage. Eventually, I imagine Davis and Brown will be the 2 and 3 (in 2011?), but for this year…not so much.

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by TexansDC on May 25, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I need to clear this up....

Positives of Nate Davis based off of college vids and pre-season play last year:

Excellent arm strength, good mobility. Seems to have a knack for finding the open man. Good pocket presence; feels the rush and avoids it extremely well. Even though he throws without laces, he still has good accuracy and touch. (See cross body throw over the shoulder of the defender to Delanie Walker. Talk about postage stamp throws!)

Negatives:

Yes, he has a learning disability. However, this really just means he has to have things explained to him a little differently (almost like Michael Oher in Blindside, except with him it’s a playbook of pictures as opposed to diagrams). More than that, consider this: he ran only a few plays in pre-season last year, but defenses still couldn’t take advantage He still managed to make plays, consistently leading last minute come backs. He did not look completely overwhelmed like some rookie QBs do, and he only threw one interception (on a ball that was bobbled then kicked by his receiver).

I don’t see any evidence based off of his play either in college or in NFL Pre-season play that suggests he won’t be a good QB. Other good NFL players have the same learning disability, no one can give a good reason why throwing without laces won’t work, and all he has shown is a knack for making plays. I say we give him a chance. If he goes out and starts throwing interceptions, holding the ball too long, fumbling snaps, misreading his WRs, etc, then we can consider throwing him under the bus. Until then, GIVE THE DUDE A BREAK!

by Riding The F Train on May 25, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree. Based on everything we saw of Nate during the preseason last year, he was the best of the 3 we had. He has a natural ability to lift the team up to thier capabilities and really has a gift for finding the reciever.

by Faye McKenna on May 25, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Davis/ Brown

The argument to me seems like an irrelivant one. I have a strong feeling that neither one of them will even be in the NFL in 2 or 3 years. I mean, how many 3rd string QB’s actually emerge as starters (or even back ups)? The percentage has got to be extremely low.

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by Drew Kerr on May 25, 2010 1:41 PM PDT reply actions  

With that said...

I hope Davis falls flat on his face in preseason and Brown rips it up. I’d like Brown to be the guy over Davis. And although Davis has had one more season than Brown, I bet they are leveled out on how much they know the playbook by preseason.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 25, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drew, Drew, Drew...
“how many 3rd string QB’s actually emerge as starters (or even back ups)?”

Off the top of my head, I can think of Warren Moon, Kurt Warner, and Jeff Garcia who weren’t even good enough to be 3rd stringers, all went to “minor leagues” and returned to the NFL to become major players.

“I hope Davis falls flat on his face in preseason and Brown rips it up.”

“Always with the negative waves, Moriarity” (from the movie Kelly’s Heroes). Why can’t you hope that Davis is successful, but that Brown is substantially more successful, instead of wishing failure upon the young man? You tend to be pretty negative some of the time…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on May 25, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Majority... key word bud

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 26, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

But you didn't use the word "majority" (or "minority", for that matter), BUD

You said “the percentage has got to be extremely low”. “Extremely low” implies maybe 1%, whereas a “minority” could be 49.99%, a huge difference. 49.99% is 49.99 TIMES as great as 1%. BUD.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on May 26, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You tend to be pretty negative some of the time

Pretty much anything Nate Davis related, yep.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 26, 2010 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

So what has Nate Davis done TO YOU for you to wish that he

“falls flat on his face”?

There are a few in my life towards whom I wish ill, but each and every one of them has done something TO ME to cause me to feel that way.

Davis, to me, appears to be a polite, respectful, hard working young man. I wish him well. If I find that I eventually prefer Brown over Davis, I’ll simply wish better for Brown, but nothing negative for Davis.

I seem to recall that, before the draft, you were also quite negative towards several prospects.

Personally, I don’t have much faith in the football abilities of Taylor Mays or Ted Ginn, but now that they’re both on the Niners, I hope that they prove me wrong, that they are uber-successful. I don’t expect it, but I don’t hope that they “fall flat on their faces” just to prove me right.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on May 26, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what has Nate Davis done TO YOU for you to wish that he
"falls flat on his face"?

There’s a difference between hoping a guy falls flat and thinking that a guy doesn’t have what it takes.

I haven’t seen much in the way of personal animosity from Drew towards Nate just an assessment that Nate Davis doesn’t have the tools to be a successful NFL QB.

I happen to agree

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on May 26, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

"There’s a difference between hoping a guy falls flat and thinking that a guy doesn’t have what it takes."

Smiley, I agree with that statement 100%, but Drew DID NOT say it was his “assessment that Nate Davis doesn’t have the tools to be a successful NFL QB”, which may or may not be true, I think that the jury’s still out on that.

Drew said “I hope Davis falls flat on his face”. I’m simply inquiring as to the etiology of his obvious animosity.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on May 26, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The very purpose of a 3rd string QB is to have a project that can turn into the Franchise QB of the future. For you to say projects like Bret Favre and Tom Brady etc etc etc etc ,are not possible starters seems very ignorant.

by TIM___ on May 25, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comments like these are ingnorant.

If you honestly believe Tom Brady and Brett Favre are the norm, then you’re in for a rude awakening with Nate Davis. Not to mention BOTH Brett Favre and Tom Brady were at least second stringers.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 25, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where ya been ...

… Drew havent seen ya in a while …!!

Kewl

by Edggy on May 25, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody believes Brady, Moon, Warner, Schaub, Garcia or even Romo are the "norm"

But they are proof that 3rd string/undrafted/other QBs can make it in the NFL.
There may not be many of them, but it can happen.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that's not what Tim was saying

his claim is that the whole point of a 3rd string QB is to have a guy on your roster that you develop into your franchise guy which isn’t the case at all.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on May 25, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

he isn’t totally incorrect. A lot of 3rd string QBs are project guys. Most of them don’t work out and they move on to the next project. You only hear about project QBs who make it, but there are a lot more who teams just move on from. The goal is to develop him into a franchise guy, but that isn’t the expectation.

by hellaninersfan on May 26, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not replying to TIM

I disagree that the whole point of 3rd string QBs is development, but when the spot is used for a development QB it shouldn’t be considered a wasted roster spot.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 26, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's worth giving them a shot

You never know, we might have one of the 1% of successful 3rd string QBs….?

It’s not like the team desperately needs another roster spot for some other special player.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since we all know that the Niners will be in that SB in NJ in 2014,do we really want a QB with small hands trying to pass in a snow/ice/sleet storm ? Can you say 10 fumbles and int’s? Hopefully by then we will have the guy with the great arm and strong ,big hands,who wears gloves ,throwing all the passes ! (wink)

by TIM___ on May 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

big brains

I’ll take a savvy QB with higher intelligence 10 out of 10 super bowls over the second coming of Jeff George.

by t p on May 25, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Lets bring in Jamarcus Russel.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 25, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alex does not have small hands

get that out of your head.

Fumbles in the NFL have almost nothing to do with the size of one’s hands.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on May 25, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at Jamarcus Russell

He fumbled all the time….although that may be because of all the cheeto grease on his fingers

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 26, 2010 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nate Davis

I want to see alex is doing good but deep down i think this is nate davis is a team in the future

V Hink L

by VHinklejr on May 25, 2010 6:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Brown scored a 15 on the wonderlic

Not a huge step up agianst a guy that has a learning disability. Brown has no shot at making the roster this season. Maybe if he can take a snap under center without fumbleuing it he might make it on the practice squad. He has all the skill and mental compacity as JaMarcus Russell.

by ericalancanty on May 25, 2010 8:03 PM PDT reply actions  

fumbling

wow, was on the phone with that one, sorry

by ericalancanty on May 25, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I scored a 3 on the wonderlic

really, the wonderlic is not that hard, some basic thinking skills, math and problem solving.

by ericalancanty on May 25, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

A 3!?

Terry Bradshaw probably scored higher then that.

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by Hoopers Judge on May 25, 2010 10:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Terry Bradshaw couldn’t spell “cat” if you spotted him the “c” and the “a”

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 26, 2010 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

thta was good

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by Tre9er on May 26, 2010 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Vince Young scored terribly.

Your point?

The wonderlic is not a necessity in being a QB in this league.

by 9thevolution on May 26, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

For all the Davis over Brown guys...

It seems that your main arguement is that Davis is ahead of Brown in learning the playbook. Just for reference, Brown was able to adapt to a new playbook in his final two years at WV. He may not have been the greatest statistically, but he learned a new playbook quickly enough. I highly doubt Davis will be so far ahead of him after practicing mostly as a DB for the scout team last year. If they were so high on Davis and thought he was the future, they would have had him practicing at QB last year.

The next arguement is Davis’ physical abilities. Have any of you seen Brown play??? He also has a cannon arm and throws very accurately on the move. He also keeps his eyes down field when he moves out of the pocket. I’d also bet that based on his time under Rodriguez at WV, he can scramble better due to that offensive philosophy.

Honestly, if the coaches give Brown a fair shot to compete, I see no reason that he can’t beat Davis for the job. Someone please try to argue otherwise because it’s absolutely ridiculous to believe that because Davis beat some scrubs in preseason that he’s the second coming of Montana or Young.

by 9thevolution on May 26, 2010 7:05 AM PDT reply actions  

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