Well, I think the 49ers will surely finish ahead of the Seahawks...
by asleepinSF on May 29, 2010 3:49 PM PDT
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PrintYou saw what happened with LenDale White? They trade for him only to discover he can't play/ isn't coachable before they even commence training camp. Pete Carroll is doing it again. He's a good defensive coordinator, a good college coach as long as he can violate a few recruiting rules, but as a pro HC, he just seems clueless. He always seemed like an especially terrible judge of running backs. I was sort of surprised that he was hired. He had already failed at New England and with the Jets. The Seahawks might as well have kept Mora if Carroll was what they were going to replace him with. Recruiting is the obvious difference to me in explaining why a guy could be a good college coach and stink out the joint in the pros, but what makes it possible for some apparently gifted NFL coordinators to be such miserable failures as head coaches while others have great success is less clear to me. Anyone care to speculate?
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pete carroll is going to fail
again. and its gonna be 3 strikes your out for him. the man is like you said. a good college coach and thats about it. college is not the nfl.
i see him gone next year or the year after.
Rugby for Pu***s: That's what he and his teammates call American football.
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I love football, but that is just too funny to be angry at. Rugby is truely a harder sport than American Football.
How is having a winning record in the NFL considered stinking it up
A very bias statement. He didn’t do as well as he would have liked the first two times because he didn’t have control of player personel. White probably didn’t show commitment to the team, so Carroll got rid of him. We don’t know the whole back story so it is easy to speculate. there is no guaranttee that he will fail. He had a great first draft and only time will tell how good the Seahawks will be. I do believe that they are a few good years away from being a good team again.
33-31 record
is certainly nothing to write home to mama about
6-10 his first season as HC with the Jets. Fired after that.
Parcells built a Patriots team that made it to Super Bowl XXXI. Carroll came in the next season and rode that team to the AFC East championship with a 9-7 record (Parcells had gone 11-5 just the season before).
1998 record was 9-7
1999 record was 8-8
Fired in 2000 and Belichick had to come in and clean up. In 2001 Belichick would take that Patriots team to a Super Bowl victory over the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI.
He’s a winning coach by 2 games and that on the strength of a team built by Parcells.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
The really important thing here...
Is that the Carroll Patriots were mediocre, and then got worse instead of better. When he got canned after 1 year with the Jets, that could have been a hasty decision. After the Patriots, there was no reason to give him an NFL head coaching job again.
You're kidding right?
Name a coach of any sport ( college or pro ) that had a 85% winning record in 100 games.
Yeah, he’s a loser alright.
Sounds like a few people around here have a serious case of Pete® Envy.
Let he who is without sin... get a life!
college vs. pro
He’s a great college coach. He hasn’t been a good NFL coach. Simple as that.
by David Fucillo on May 30, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
He wasn't a terrible NFL coach
He wasn’t great, and probably wasn’t “good”, but he was certainly a capable NFL coach. He was also pretty young at the time. Lest we forget, Belichick didn’t exactly have a good run of it either his first time around.
As a Niners fan, I’d rather overestimate the guy than underestimate him. By all accounts, he’s smart enough to be a great NFL coach, and he has good motivational skills (not on Singletary’s level). The biggest criticism of him when he was with the Jets/Pats was that he was too easygoing and not enough of a disciplinarian.
So I’m not sure why people are criticizing the Lendale White moves. It was a low cost, decent upside move, the kind that folks make all the time. And when Lendale screwed up (according to Seattle media, he was out drinking tequila the night before he missed a mandatory 9am meeting), Carroll canned him. That strikes me as understanding and improving his biggest perceived weakness— that he was too much of a players’ coach.
We’ll see what happens when the Hawks start to play games, but so far, I have to say they look like they’re on the fast track to getting better quickly. I think the 49ers are establishing themselves as the dominant NFC West team for the next 5-7 years, but the Seahawks look like they will be a serious challenger to the 49ers in 2-3 years, maybe even sooner.
Usually easy going and not a disciplinarian to me is opposite of motivational
Usually Motivational Speakers are structured, intense, and hold you up to higher standards. Doesn’t sound like Carroll at all. In fact, I remember Carroll losing the team his last time around.
Belichick failed once, in his first try at being a head coach...
Carroll has failed twice. The fact that Belichick was able to turn things around completely is the exception. He and Shanahan are the only ones I can think of that managed it. Norv Turner doesn’t count to me, because if Holmgren had the same team in San Diego, they’d probably have won a championship by now.
Carroll's "second failure" is too small of a sample size to judge.
He was fired after one season. Bill Belichick was ghastly during his tenure in Cleveland, and started off his Patriots career 5-11 after inheriting an 8-8 team. What if he were fired after that one season?
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
No, that was his first failure...
i gave him the benefit of the doubt after that. He had, after all, been a great defensive coordinator in SF after the Jets debacle. Not after his stay in New England, though. That made it obvious he just didn’t have it.
But, of course, when a coach is fired after one season, it's never just because of the record -
- its because the GM/ownership doesn’t like what they see, and they’ve lost confidence in him.
In a way, that’s more damning than if he’d been given multiple seasons and failed. Nobody does that on a whim – they do it because they see a clear lack of direction and focus coming from the head coach.
It's uncommon for regimes to be cleared out with the advent of new ownership.
In this case, Bob Kraft. Who’s also gone on record as saying firing Pete was an extremely tough decision and felt he could have succeeded.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
not uncommon
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
So even more liklihood Carroll could get fired and fail this year.
He is a coach who was fired after 1 year, going to a team that just fired their coach after one year. HAHA
Not really.
College coaching is really different that pro coaching.
In college, Pete Carroll had a talent advantage in something like 90% of his football games. His record in games when the talent level was close (not even when he was worse, when it was even close) was simply not that impressive. In the pro game, the talent level is always close.
Carroll deserves a lot of credit for building that talent advantage (well, to the extent it happened clean he does).
But there’s a reason big-name-school college coaches tend to be failures in the NFL. Look at Dennis Erickson – he was conditioned to take a lot of risks, because when you’re more talented than the other team you can call risky plays and still win. (Since you have a talent edge, they succeed more often than they ‘should’ – and when they don’t work you usually have enough of a talent edge to recover).
Similarly, I don’t see how you can look at Pete’s previous pro head coaching experience and feel he did a good job with those teams: they got worse when he started coachign them, and better when he left. And no, this isn’t “Pete envy” – I raised these same point when people were talking about his as a prospective Niner coach. I didn’t want him then, and don’t want him now.
If you’re going to hire a college coach, hire the guy who’s making some noise at a school which doesn’t have the football-factory school advantage.
The Lendale White situation is a useful reminder to not get too crazy about him just yet. When he made that trade everybody was talking about how he showed he was going to quickly remake the Seahawks. Now, I don’t think it blowing up on them is going to hurt them very much – they didn’t give up very much for him, so it doesn’t really hurt to lose him – but it should be a reminder that if Pete is going to turn the Hawks around, it’s going to happen over time, by slowly rebuilding the talent base.
He’s not a magician. If he’s learned something about pro coaching, enough to be more successful in this go-around, good for him. But the NFL is a tougher league than the Pac-10.
After his first season (coaching primarily his predecesor’s players) in how many Pac-10 games was USC worse, on paper, than their opponent? Maybe one or two years Oregon was better on paper, maybe one or two years Cal was, so you’re talking maybe 4 games in 8 years. Maybe. Playing Notre Dame every year looks great historically but during the last decade they were as good – on paper – as USC maybe once. Maybe.
Bowl games? Again, I think it’s hard to look at many of their bowl appearances and, based on things like the number of players sent to the NFL, think that USC was often at a talent disadvantage.
All this suggests that Pete Carrol was (to the extent he did it legally) one of the greatest recruiters in college history. But that skill doesn’t translate to the NFL.
I may be overreacting to White...
Walsh did trade for Thomas “Hollywood” Henderson, early in his career with SF. For those who don’t remember, Henderson was a good linebacker for Dallas. When the 49ers got him into camp, they discovered why the Cowboys dumped him. He was so messed up on instant douchebag powder ( aka cocaine) he barely knew what planet he was on. OTH, Walsh didn’t have Carroll’s record of previous failure.
This would all be true
except that you’re ignoring Carroll’s NFL experience. In addition to being a decent (he wasn’t great by any means, but he certainly wasn’t terrible) head coach, he was also considered a top coordinator before that. He has the profile of successful head coaches (including Bill Belichick or some of the Walsh guys). He’s not the same as a Nick Saban or Steve Spurrier, who literally had no NFL experience.
Also, something to remember before we all decide preseason that Carroll is going to be the worst coach ever: Carroll’s biggest weaknesses as a head coach were not with regard to understanding the NFL game. Not even his worst critics at the time time would have said that. He clearly understood the nuances, the Xs and Os, etc., particularly with respect to defenses. He was considered a softy who couldn’t get the best out of his players, and who choked during clutch times. He was basically considered a defensive version of Norv Turner.
But he was pretty young as well, so I certainly think it’s possible that he’ll be a much better NFL head coach this time around. Would it surprise me if Carroll’s old problems reemerged, and he wasn’t successful? No, and I think the biggest X factor is that I wonder if he’s got the fire in his belly to work the long hours that are required in the NFL game today. That being said, I think it’s really premature to dismiss him, particularly based on flawed comparisons to pure college coaches (which he’s not). The Seahawks are a smart and dangerous franchise, and it wasn’t like they hired Carroll because no one else would coach for them.
Didn't you just say he was a decent motivational coach?
Yet above you say his weakness was he was a softy who couldn’t get the best out of his players. Funny. Contradict yourself much?
I lived in New England at the time
And yes, as much as that seems like a contradiction, it was the rap. That basically, as a players coach, he wasn’t terrible at motivating his players, but that didn’t always work, particularly when the team started losing and hitting adversity. By all accounts, he was well liked by the players for most of his head coaching tenure, and then lost the locker room in 1999.
1) These aren’t my criticisms, just what I remember being said about Carroll.
2) Nice job responding to the substance of the post, and not just cherry picking one comment to try to attack. The fact is, however you guys want to spin it, Carroll wasn’t a terrible coach.
Sorry about #2
I didnt mean to cherry pick, but thats what I know about Carroll. I have always heard the players LIKED him, but to me, that doesnt mean he is a decent motivational coach. In fact I believe if he had troubles, and lost the team, he is a BAD motivational coach. To me, in order to be a motivational coach you have to be RESPECTED more than liked. I dont think Carroll was respected. Think of Sing, guys respect him more than anything. He is hard on them, not a laid back likable coach. He tells it as it is, is hard on his players, expects a LOT out of them, and is well respected. Thats a motivational coach, not Carroll. Carroll lost the team in 1999, I dont think Sing would ever lose his team regardless of record.
by hudd07 on Jun 1, 2010 11:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lol!
Using Carrol’s USC record for potential success with the Seahawks! College doesn’t equal NFL.
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by Hoopers Judge on May 30, 2010 5:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude
you’re comparing him to two of the best coaches in NFL history. Parcells took a flawed Pats team and took them to the Super Bowl on the strength of an easy schedule, and Belichick achieved great success only when he stuck with a little known 6th round backup QB named Brady (along with a truly awesome defensive scheme).
I’m pretty sure that most first time NFL coaches would compare pretty poorly when compared to Parcells and Belichick.
I’m not saying Carroll was a great, or even good, coach. But he was considered strong in his knowledge of Xs and Os, his major weakness being, as I stated below, that he was a total players coach.
But “no reason to give him an NFL head coaching job again”? Bill Belichick was a worse NFL coach the first time around with the Browns, he got a second chance. Even Bill Walsh washed out his first time in the NFL, when he basically got canned from the Cleveland Browns. Carroll may or may not suck, but I think you’re using a pretty poor comparison for a guy who was pretty young at the time.
It takes 5 years to get a winning team
Give him time . Because he building a new team like Sing. Who knows where it may end. I do like like Carroll and he may be sucessful.
by LASVEGASNINER on May 31, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
No way he will get 5 years to prove himself.
NFL is a NOW league. He may get ONE bad year this year, but then they will expect at least improvement every year. Sing may not have taken us to promised land last year, but he improved. As long as he continues to do it, until he has proven himself, he will be our coach. He wins us a Super Bowl, is when he will get a longer leash in my opinion. I think if we don’t go to Playoffs, he could be in trouble with Billick and Cowher out of a job. If we are under 500 he might as well kiss his butt goodbye which is sad, because I like him, but I feel like York will jump on a TOP coach if we struggle.
you realize
the yorks aren’t in control anymore jed debartolo is running the show now. And sing is his guy and he will get the job done. Drink the Kool-Aid brotha everyones doin it! LOL
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Im drinking it
But just saying, Coaches dont get 5 yrs to prove themselves. They get 3 maybe, and if regressing, ADIOS! I think Sing is doing great. What I am saying is Carroll wont get 5 years. Sing prob has this year to win division if healthy or gone, if significant injuries, he will get another.
by hudd07 on Jun 1, 2010 11:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope not Billick....
Should Singletary not work out. I thought he was a bit overrated, and his work in the broadcast booth has tended to confirm for me that he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Good thing they didn't fire Belichick after he followed Carroll's miserable 8-8 record with a 5-11.
Yep, good thing, right?
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 2, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably so...
OTH, Carroll’s trend was steadily downward, and they gave him 3 years.
But perhaps the "steadily downward" was actually the developmental curve of the team, and it was a 4 year curve,
and Carroll wasn’t allowed to see it through.
I still wonder how great Belichick would have been, however, had a certain 6th round draft pick NOT turn out to be one of the greatest QB’s of his generation.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 3, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
my whole point was
that for the first time he has controll over what he wants. He did not have that in his previous 2 occasions. He will take over a bottom feeder team and be able to do what he wants to do with them. Parcells and Belichick both have more power than pete did. And thoses two coaches are some of the best in history, so it is not fair to compare to those guys other than the fact that they coached these teams before and after Carroll did.
The guy said sticking it up, a winning record, reguardless of how you obtain it is not stinking it up. Maybe he could have done better but he did not stick it up, period!!!!!!!!
by ericalancanty on May 30, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
calm down turbo...
the guy took teams that were good and made them bad. i dont dislike the man. i dont believe that in any way, shape, or form he will succeed in the nfl. the only reason that he did have a good draft is because he had high picks in the draft.
we will see this season if he can make them better or worse…for the sake of competition i want them to put up a fight…of course we will still win.
carroll will fail…and the seagulls will have a new head coach….
theres no need to get mad…this is a conversation…
Rugby for Pu***s: That's what he and his teammates call American football.
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I love football, but that is just too funny to be angry at. Rugby is truely a harder sport than American Football.
There more to head coaching then having the power to get your own guys.
There’s also, you know… coaching. Even with the good pieces in New England, he didn’t do much with them.
Also people taking his first draft as a Seahawk as a barometer of success is putting the cart before the horse. He lucked into two blue-chip prospects who fell because of stupid teams before them (looking at you Redskins, Bills, Jags, and Eagles).
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by Hoopers Judge on May 30, 2010 9:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
umm
New England wasn’t considered all that good until Belichick took over. Can you name me the top players from the Parcells team? Drew Bledsoe, Curtis Martin, and…?
Also, Carroll went 10-6 his first season, not 9-7. The Pats won the AFC East in 1997, behind the strength of a decent defense (Ted Johnson was probably the only player on that team most of you have heard of) and a balanced offensive attack. That was only a 1 game slide from the previous year. How is that taking a good team and making them bad? That’s a ridiculous statement. You guys really need to do some research before talking smack.
The Pats went 9-7 in 1998, making the playoffs as a wild card, and 8-8 in 1999, Carroll’s last season as head coach. That being said, there are some pretty important X factors. First, Curtis Martin was let go in 1998, and went on to have a bunch of productive seasons for the Jets. He was replaced by 1st rounder Robert Edwards in 1998, who had a good rookie year, but missed his second year in 1999 with injuries. The Pats basically had no rushing game, their key positional players (Terry Glenn anyone?) were old and/or frail, and their best player was declining (Drew Bledsoe).
How bad was that 1999 Patriots team, independent of Pete Carroll? Well, Hall of Fame NFL Coach Bill Belichick took over at the beginning of 2000 and led that Pats team to a 5-11 record. That’s right, he took a team that Carroll had led to a 8-8 record and made them 3 games worse.
It was only in 2001, and only when Belichick took a chance on a 6th round QB named Brady to replace Bledsoe, that the Pats started to turn around.
Basically, what does Carroll’s NFL tenure tell us?
1) He wasn’t a great NFL coach, but he was certainly a capable one. He took over an aging team that Parcells had built and managed them to a record 1 game below Parcells’s level.
2) He wasn’t a good playoff coach.
I think that’s about it. The talent level on the Pats was clearly in decline during Carroll’s tenure, and the years 1999 and 2000, in retrospect, clearly look like rebuilding years, which one would blame on the GM, not the head coach.
To make broad, ill-informed conclusions about a relatively decent NFL head coach who was young at the time, based on this information, is pretty silly.
How is what I said off? Carrol’s Jets started off. 6-5, they lost there last 5 games. And Bledsoe was hardly diminishing during Carrols time in New England. In fact, he put up some of his better numbers with Carrol as the head coach.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jun 1, 2010 4:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bledsoe's entire career was roundly mediocre.
He was as decent as a #1 overall pick could be without being a bust.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Carroll took over in 1996, when he went 10-6
Also, as I mentioned in my other comment, you left out the year 2000, when Bill Belichick took over and went 5-11. In that context, the Pats don’t look particularly good from a talent perspective (most knowledgeable NFL observers thought the 1996 Pats were a pretty weak team that got by on exceptional coaching from Parcells and the benefit of a very very weak AFC), and Carroll looks a lot better as a head coach.
You’re unfairly trashing Carroll based on either intentional omissions or laziness. Either way, you’re wrong.
your right about carroll
and he and whisenhunt can battle hopefully for the next 10 years to be the 2nd best coach in the division!
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If the Talking Heads where impressed with Carrol’s coaching, why was he fired?
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by Hoopers Judge on Jun 1, 2010 4:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
umm
1) i am not saying Carroll was a great coach. i’m saying he wasn’t terrible at the time.
2) He was fired when Bob Kraft took over and wanted to reshape the team. Kraft was quoted at the time as saying that firing Carroll was a very tough decision.
3) I actually think the comparisons to Norv Turner are about right. From what I remember, the perception was that Carroll was OK, but not someone who was going to lead the Pats to the next level. So they brought in Parcells’s disciple Belichick.
Not quite accurate.
Carroll came in the next season and rode that team to the AFC East championship with a 9-7 record
That 1997 team (Carroll’s first year coaching them) was 10-6.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
You just realized this?
I think the Rams will finish ahead of the Seahawks……
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
Who cares?
They’re the cellar-dwellers of the NFC West
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
Exactly
I’m not concerned about either of them.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 31, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
With Bustford at the helm?
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 2, 2010 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually think Bradford will be much better than Whitehurst....
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 3, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay.
And Whitehurst is relevant to this, how? Hasselbeck is still the presumed starter and it would be an upset if Whitehurst were under center during the season opener.
Bradford is a questionable prospect on a ghastly team.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 3, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would you trade for Whitehurst, though...
There were guys who could hold a clipboard just fine that could be signed off the street.
I assumed that Whitehurst would be QBing the Hawks
Bradford is a good prospect in my eyes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 4, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
earl thomas
is going to give up 4 TD’s to crabtree this year and taylor mays is going to get a pick and 5 HOLY ISSHH type of hits in the 2 games we blast the hawks! Our guys havent forgotten that win they stole last year!
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
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You mean that win we handed to them?
Wrapped with a pretty pink bow
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on May 31, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
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Can't wait for the season
49ers los mejores!!!
by 49erSalvatrucha on May 31, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Good lord, you people.
I can understand a lot of where the Carroll criticism is coming from, but seriously, using LenDale White as an example of why he won’t work out? That’s just idiotic.
You are vastly underestimating how little Seattle gave up for him. They barely traded back a few spots in the same round, and also acquired a rotational DT along with White. Completely low risk, decent upside. If he worked out, he might have become a decent goalline/short yardage back.
But LenDale White didn’t work out, and that’s okay. Because he didn’t cost anything noteworthy. And why was he released? Because he wasn’t fully committed and allegedly missed a team meeting. And so Carroll cut bait. He went against the grain and released his USC pet. That sort of eliminates the ideas that you guys surely said would happen that he’d be overly loyal to his USC folk and continue to be a kiss-ass player’s coach, right?
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
That's not all that was being discussed. What you are quoting is a ridiculous reason to say he will fail...
but it is the start of MANY mistakes he will make. See reasons above.
You have a point
But the Seahawks are still a below-average team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 3, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Assuming no rebounds and no improvements by the roster, then yes.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 3, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm assuming some improvements
You guys were terrible last year.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 4, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
We were.
We also were layered with injuries. Had zero pre-season offensive linemen starting a couple times last year, and I think we finished the season with 1 pre-season starter.
And the team quit on the coach.
There has been an infusion of talent both up front and in depth positions, a replacement of some crappy players with others that better fit system, and a new coaching philosophy and staff.
But you go ahead and believe your team is head and shoulders above ours. Right now, I honestly think you are better and said as much in that thread, but not by much, and we’ve got a much wider range of variability in regard to our potential.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 4, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Your team reminds me of the late 2008 49ers
I really don’t see much there dude, sorry.
Unless you’re expecting Thomas and Okung to be All-Pros as Rookies…..
And don’t use the injury excuse, all teams must be prepared for injuries.
It was a valid excuse in 2008, but two years in a row is something else.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 4, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree, bitches!
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 6, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't swear
But yes.
Agree to disagree.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 7, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
If the draft is any indication of how he will coach...........
You better get your popcorn ready………………
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