Mark Roman 2.0?
by DreZ on May 5, 2010 2:08 PM PDT
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PrintFirst off let me start by saying in no way do I want roman back on the field! But instead would like to get into why i think someone has to be what he couldn't. Over the past few years I had many conversations with my pops why we had to get rid of him and the liability we all know he was. Lets look at why we even know who this guy is. I mean over his time in san fran. did he ever miss any time? I'm pretty sure he played all 16 games each of his seasons with the team. No easy task for any NFL player. Second he was always around a play which shows he had it upstairs (probably will make a heck of a coach at some point).
But this is where the positve if you can call it that ends! Always around the play only to screw it up, do to a lack of athleticism. Anyone remeber in '08 he singal handedly prevented clements from 3 picks!(Smiley if you read this I'm sure you can find the plays on NFL.com) 1 sure 1 against miami were clements had the proper jump and roman broke up the play by running into clements, the other 2 were similar plays against the rams in the game at st. louis. Clements has the jump on the deep ball and here comes roman barreling into him. And of course if your like me you remember exactly where you were and what you were feeling as "Favre and Lewis"(really) made magic.UURRGG!! He just lacked the explosive ablity (i.e. sub 4.5 40, 35" plus vert.) to be a playmaker. Like pops would always say "If he has no shot at makin' a Pro Bowl, I don't want him on my team! (as a starter)
Obviously his postion in manusky's D is important so who will be the one to take that spot? Now this kinda goes to the post fooch had yesterday on the battle between smith and maragos. I think mays will replace lewis at some point this season but could start out in the spot. However long term i guess Im hoping Reggie Smith can fill the role. He's flashed a little in pre season and in limited playing time. I just find myself thinking if his body in the 3rd yr of becoming NFL ready can hold up for 16 games, why can't he have the impact Goldson had last year? When all he really did was just stay healthy. One of the hardest things to do in the league! I know we have curtis taylor but i see him as the back up to goldson strictly and special teams. I just think reggie has that playmaker ability if he can just stay healty!
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I don’t even think Roman is on the team right now. I think he is technically a free agent and haven’t a heard a word about him all offseason, so I am assuming he isn’t being brought back.
hes not on the team
however he was on the field a lot so who ever takes his spot is important since no one could seem to take his job
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Mark Roman played pretty well in the nickel package
I would agree that Mark Roman days as a starter is behind him on this team, as you know that the 49ers are thin at corner, and i would bring him back in the nickel package on a veteran salary , and you don’t have anyone else. i would take him before Dre Bly or Walt Harris
Personally...
I would hate to think of a player as a Roman 2.anything… I’m hoping for Lott 2.0, McDonald 2.0, Hanks 2.0… I see (and hope) Goldson will keep FS for years to come and Mays will ease into starting spot after this year… Smith will back up Goldson and Taylor will back up Mays .
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
knew romans name would get attn.
but really just nickel corner extra safety 2.0 is better. I want a guy who can stay healthy like roman be in the play like roman but actually make the play unlke roman.
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
lol
stumping sounds funny
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
agree
i see it as dashon and taylor as the mirror safety’s giving offeneces’s no clue whos playin deep and whose comin up in the box till after a ball is snapped. and reggie smith as the player to take romans role which is very important to manuskys d as long as he can stay healthy the one thing dashon finally did last year.
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
let me make it clear
the only way i want roman back is if hes competing with vance joseph as db coach LOL but no where near the field
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Roman is a BUM
Our pass D was horrible last year. Yes we had a peewee football pass rush but our secondary play was awful too except Goldson.
yes roman was a BUM
but who do you think is gonna take his spot? the guy just always seemed to hang around cuz he was never hurt? who now is gonna be that guy but be able to make plays instead of be on the crap end of them
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Anyone
can take his spot. It’s not hard to NOT make any plays in the game. We can put anyone in there and have the same production. He’s slow, poor tackling technique, and just took up space to have 11 guys on the field.
So wrong
We had a very good Pass D.
In fact we had one of the best pass D’s in the redzone last year.
We were tied for 3rd in the league in sacks and Shantwae Spencer, Dre Bly and Dashon Goldson all played well in coverage.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 5, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
What’s this guy talking about?
by mr. instigator on May 6, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
49ers pass defense
not Roman specifically
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Our Defensive backfield should consist of the following..........
Goldson, Clements, Spencer, Brown, Smith, Mays, Paymah, Lewis, and Maragos or aTaylor, but not both. We need to see about adding SMoot or bringing Bly back.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
They're going to wait 'til after OTAs before deciding on Bly
If they’ve got a young guy that they think will do as good as him they’ll keep him
I was right, you were wrong.
sounds like the right move hey smiley do you remember the plays i was talking about from the 08 season?
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Not off the top of my head
but he got a lot of crap for the game ending TD in the Minnesota game. I’ll go back and see what i can find.
I was right, you were wrong.
cool man
that just seemed to be the deal with the guy all the time in the right place right time just couldnt make the play ala minn. game. but before the throw if manny woulda stopped dancin with the lineman he was a half step off from hitting favre before the throw
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Yup
Lawson was a half step away from hitting Favre and causing an incompletion—had he been just a little quicker it would’ve been game over
I was right, you were wrong.
watch it again and you'll see
Justin Smith stunted and was close but Favre stepped up. You’ll also see McDonald STOP on the play once he’s doubled and pushed back. Then when Favre steps up to throw McDonald realizes the play’s not dead and starts running towards Favre.
The pass rush was a mess on that play and while Roman should have been in better positions, you can’t ask a 2nd strong Safety to cover for 7 seconds
Coaches teach technique, they can't teach speed. Taylor Mays will be just fine.
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your description is right on
but the guy your talking about who half a step away from smacking favre was lawson
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
that's later in the play
before Favre stepped up, the reason he stepped up was because Smith stunted and came around the left edge (from defensive perspective)
Coaches teach technique, they can't teach speed. Taylor Mays will be just fine.
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the other sad thing
there wasn’t a Minnesota receiver other than Lewis within 5 yards of the end zone. Yet there were about 5 49ers in or near the end zone.
Coaches teach technique, they can't teach speed. Taylor Mays will be just fine.
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yeah your right
12 seconds left and justin was the only one going ALL OUT!
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
That's what he does
and why he’s the best 3-4 DE in football right now and possibly the best DE.
I was right, you were wrong.
Manny was going good too
what happened was the pressure all got pushed outside, around, which is what a good tackle will do to an edge rush. We had nothing in the middle to force Favre outside to where the rush was. McDonald quit on that play and that kinda pisses me off. I hope he got an earful watching tape the next week.
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If Haralson or Lawson played hard the whole down it could have been a different play.
I forget which player it was but one of them gave up and I want to say Haralson.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
It was actually McDonald who took himself out
There was a stunt, so Smith came around on the left side, Lawson came around on the right side. Haralson was being blocked by the center but McDonald saw Smith going through and stopped trying. Favre ducked away from Smith and as Lawson was coming up on him he threw the ball.
Then of course Roman had to try and go for the ball instead of pushing the guy out of bounds.
I was right, you were wrong.
I think Haralson put up a poor effort either him or Lawson
I’ll look again, I’m sure it’s on youtube
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
lawson
he didnt attack his rush he was playin patty cake with the tackle when he saw favre step up because mcdonald got blocked out of the way he went for the hit and was a 1/2 second half step off if he would have given max effort he would have blown favre up. Thats why hes not getting a new deal until after this year hes gotta prove he can go ALL OUT for 60 minutes
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
my worst fear is
lewis gets concussion, gholdson hurts shoulder layin wood on some TE smith and taylor both have those dang hamstring probs again mays isnt ready and they bring him back (roman) cuz he knows the system and can stay healthy… ahh yuck just lookin for your thoughts on how to keep this guy away………i guess just pray all our guys stay healthy
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
ok not my worst fear
but its up there lol i just want no reason to bring the guy back. No one could ever step up enough for the 9ers to just cut him so i would fear they would bring him back…..by the way dank who is aaahh more elivated well say. You or me i enjoy the green myself although bein in az since 01 i miss that cali green
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Hey, can you edit your post and fix Goldson’s name?
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
done thanks actually means you probably read it
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Yeah, the title was funny, I had to read it.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on May 6, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Mays and Goldson
Will be hybrids in that we will use them both in the box, and in deep thirds. Mays has shown he lacks the natural coverage instincts but I am banking on his developement there. Him, and Goldson will be scary. Crocodile Arms will be common for recievers who we face. I like Maragos, and Curtis Taylor as quality subs in the rotation. Reggie Smith should be put back at CB, hisnatural position, making him Mike Rumph 2.0. in the nickle or dime….Peace… Stelf Bombz
It's nice to know you can see positives in such a terrible player
You’re right on though, Roman was always healthy.
If only Reggie Smith could do the same.
Personally, I think they’ll put Tarrel Brown in place of Roman (nickel/dime back)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
trust me it was hard
i like the t brown possibility just think smith is best option cause he has played cb and safety in our defense
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
he means who is NIckel/Dime safety?
Brown is likely the nickel CB but if they bring Lewis/Mays in as LB2 like they did last year, who plays SS in Nickel/Dime?
Coaches teach technique, they can't teach speed. Taylor Mays will be just fine.
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i like mike lewis a lot
i just dont think hes gonna keep mays from taking his job. One more concussioin and seriously has to think about hanging it up. So that leaves me wanting reggie to man up and take the job and stop getting hurt with the hamstrings which i know is a pain literally
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Lewis has to go
I like him as a player too, but he’s just too slow cover anyone anymore and he’s making giant piles of money. I think Mays starts from day one, but I also hope Lewis retires because long term effects of multiple concussions are no joke.
If I’m an opposing Offensive Coordinator and Lewis is on the field, it just became a passing down and I’m going hot to the tight end if Lewis blitzes. Other than that I’m just going to tell the QB to find Lewis than look for the open receiver he should be covering or in case it’s zone I’m also sending the WR on his side on a 1, post or post corner because if they stretch the field against the than Lewis is too slow to rotate help.
Lewis makes some good plays against the run in the opponent’s backfield, but I just don’t think it’s worth the liability in coverage.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on May 6, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
as long as Mays or whomever
is a SOLID tackler…like rarely ever misses a tackle.
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you know...
there was a reason the eagles let him go…better younger talent i think we are in the same situation. we’ll just have to see what happens in training camp
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
Typically
Your top nickel back is not a 3rd safety. Roman held his spot for so long because he was always healthy like the OP said, and also because he’s a smart player who knew the schemes. Whether or not that led to higher level of play than a faster, more dynamic player who might be more prone to mistakes, I don’t know. I don’t think so. I just think he was more of a coach’s safety blanket than a real safety. And a wet blanket at that.
So this year our nickelback needs to be either Tarrel Brown, or Reggie Smith in a hybrid CB/S role. Those are the two wild cards.
Here’s how I see the DB pecking order:
Tier 1:
Spencer and Goldson – Our two best playmakers in their prime. They need to be health and good.
Tier 2:
Clements – A bounceback year from our veteran wold help a TON.
Tier 3:
Mays/Lewis – I think Mays wrests the job away. He might not be known for coverage, but I think he still should be better than Lewis in this area. We just need him to be decent.
Tier 4:
James – Be what you are. Middling starter, solid backup.
Tier 5 – The wildcards Smith and Brown. Either of these guys has the ability to be one of our three or four best DB’s this year based on talent, but there are no proven results to stick in your back pocket and feel good about. They could be the difference between a good and great defense.
Tier 6 – Taylor/Maragos/Adams…Taylor is probly a cut above. But anything these guys give to the defense would be a surprise and a bonus.
your seein what i meant exactly
mark roman isnt a BUM even though i feel that way. The guy has been in the league 6+ years he is very intelligent just never was on the good end of any plays except the chicago game last year. I just feel like reggie smith is the best player we have to be the hybrid safety/cb because thats what he’s been taught by our coaches for the last 2 years. he just cant stay healthy. I remember last preseason feeling like he and goldson finally will make it possible for roman to stay off the field and just lend his brain on the sideline helping the much more athletic young guys. this is a mans game and my ? is if reggie smith has developed a man body yet one that doesnt get banged up every other week
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......although we all know KSWOF
I think Brown has to be in tier 3 or 4
He did start games last year over Bly, so he has something. He has to be consistently better this year is the key. The Nickel CB spot wont be handed to him, and he’ll have to keep earning his spot every week.
Coaches teach technique, they can't teach speed. Taylor Mays will be just fine.
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