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A look at the numbers: 49ers and their salaries

There has been much discussion about contract extensions of late. Of particular concern are Vernon Davis who's a free agent at the end of the year, Aubrayo Franklin and Dashon Goldson who are also free agents. In a surprise announcement the 49ers organization announced yesterday that they had signed Willis to a five-year extension worth $50 million. Now because of the CBA there are some rules in place that make extensions kind of difficult. I wanted to take a look at some basic salary information for the 49ers, as well as describing the ruels in place in an uncapped year and see if we can figure out what kind of money we'd need to come up with to extend our other franchise players. 

First thing I want to point out is that according to USA Today's salary tracker the 49ers spent a total of $107,746,232   on player salaries in 2009. This is not what was counted against the salary cap, which for 2009 was about $142 million. The amount counted against the cap (according to Ninercaphell.com) was $133 million. Of that $133 million $10.16 million was signing bonuses, $41,088,440 was bonus money that wasn't signing bonuses.

Top 5 total salary

Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
   Staley, Joe $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 12,217,280 $ 12,677,280 $ 13,527,280 OL
   Smith, Justin (DE) $ 3,500,000 $ 0 $ 5,250,000 $ 8,750,000 $ 10,583,333 DE
   Haralson, Parys $ 880,000 $ 0 $ 4,857,280 $ 5,737,280 $ 5,781,280 LB
   Jones, Brandon $ 620,000 $ 3,500,000 $ 1,280,000 $ 5,400,000 $ 2,600,000 WR
   Lewis, Michael $ 1,900,000 $ 0 $ 3,100,000 $ 5,000,000 $ 5,000,000 S

Join me after the jump as we get into more detail.

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2009 salaries

 

   2009 / San Francisco 49ers
   Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
   Baas, David $ 666,875 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 674,155 $ 1,274,155 OL
   Balmer, Kentwan $ 385,000 $ 0 $ 2,487,500 $ 2,872,500 $ 1,517,000 DT
   Battle, Arnaz $ 1,490,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 1,497,280 $ 2,117,280 WR
   Bly, Dre' $ 845,000 $ 0 $ 21,560 $ 866,560 $ 481,560 CB
   Brooks, Ahmad $ 535,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 542,280 $ 542,280 LB
   Brown, Tarell $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 467,280 $ 511,530 CB
   Bruce, Isaac $ 1,725,000 $ 0 $ 25,000 $ 1,750,000 $ 2,362,500 WR
   Clayton, Thomas $ 385,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 392,280 $ 237,280 RB
   Clements, Nate $ 3,516,666 $ 0 $ 500,000 $ 4,016,666 $ 5,683,332 CB
   Coffee, Glen $ 310,000 $ 828,244 $ 0 $ 1,138,244 $ 517,061 RB
   Crabtree, Michael $ 2,393,077 $ 0 $ 0 $ 2,393,077 $ 1,830,000 WR
   Davis, Nate $ 310,000 $ 150,300 $ 0 $ 460,300 $ 347,575 QB
   Davis, Vernon $ 2,440,000 $ 0 $ 100,000 $ 2,540,000 $ 4,880,000 TE
   Evans, Demetric $ 1,000,000 $ 0 $ 750,000 $ 1,750,000 $ 1,575,000 DE
   Franklin, Aubrayo $ 2,000,000 $ 0 $ 50,000 $ 2,050,000 $ 2,683,334 DT
   Goldson, Dashon $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 467,280 $ 570,499 S
   Gore, Frank $ 2,500,000 $ 0 $ 1,850,000 $ 4,350,000 $ 6,264,250 RB
   Haralson, Parys $ 880,000 $ 0 $ 4,857,280 $ 5,737,280 $ 5,781,280 LB
   Harris, Walt $ 1,700,000 $ 0 $ 1,820 $ 1,701,820 $ 2,368,488 CB
   Heitmann, Eric $ 800,000 $ 0 $ 1,057,280 $ 1,857,280 $ 2,169,780 OL
   Hill, Jason $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 467,280 $ 655,734 WR
   Hill, Shaun $ 1,400,000 $ 0 $ 50,000 $ 1,450,000 $ 2,600,000 QB
   Hudson, Marcus $ 535,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 542,280 $ 563,949 S
   Jean-Francois, Ricky $ 310,000 $ 43,000 $ 0 $ 353,000 $ 320,750 DT
   Jennings, Brian $ 745,000 $ 1,105,000 $ 1,820 $ 1,851,820 $ 1,151,155 TE
   Jones, Brandon $ 620,000 $ 3,500,000 $ 1,280,000 $ 5,400,000 $ 2,600,000 WR
   Lawson, Manny $ 915,000 $ 0 $ 25,000 $ 940,000 $ 1,967,500 LB
   Lee, Andy $ 1,000,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 1,007,280 $ 1,288,946 P/K
   Lewis, Michael $ 1,900,000 $ 0 $ 3,100,000 $ 5,000,000 $ 5,000,000 S
   McDonald, Ray $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 467,280 $ 615,405 DE
   McKillop, Scott $ 310,000 $ 192,250 $ 0 $ 502,250 $ 358,062 LB
   Morgan, Joshua 'Josh' $ 385,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 392,280 $ 418,780 WR
   Nedney, Joe $ 1,472,500 $ 0 $ 1,007,280 $ 2,479,780 $ 2,869,780 P/K
   Norris, Moran $ 745,000 $ 1,282,500 $ 224,780 $ 2,252,280 $ 1,397,280 RB
   Pashos, Tony $ 1,200,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 1,200,000 $ 1,700,000 OL
   Rachal, Chilo $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 55,000 $ 515,000 $ 887,000 OL
   Robinson, Michael $ 535,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 542,280 $ 900,094 RB
   Roman, Mark $ 900,000 $ 0 $ 25,000 $ 925,000 $ 1,425,000 S
   Sims, Barry $ 870,000 $ 0 $ 307,280 $ 1,177,280 $ 1,639,780 OL
   Smith, Alex D. (QB) $ 2,000,000 $ 2,000,000 $ 7,280 $ 4,007,280 $ 5,673,946 QB
   Smith, Justin (DE) $ 3,500,000 $ 0 $ 5,250,000 $ 8,750,000 $ 10,583,333 DE
   Smith, Reggie $ 385,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 392,280 $ 588,280 CB
   Snyder, Adam $ 1,400,000 $ 0 $ 100,000 $ 1,500,000 $ 2,300,000 OL
   Sopoaga, Isaako $ 1,862,500 $ 0 $ 2,200,000 $ 4,062,500 $ 5,017,500 DT
   Spencer, Shawntae $ 1,670,000 $ 0 $ 600,000 $ 2,270,000 $ 3,470,000 CB
   Spikes, Takeo $ 1,250,000 $ 1,000,000 $ 756,760 $ 3,006,760 $ 2,506,760 LB
   Staley, Joe $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 12,217,280 $ 12,677,280 $ 13,527,280 OL
   Taylor, Curtis $ 310,000 $ 59,880 $ 0 $ 369,880 $ 324,970 S
   Ulbrich, Jeff $ 950,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 957,280 $ 1,357,280 LB
   Walker, Delanie $ 535,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 542,280 $ 927,780 WR
   Wallace, Cody $ 385,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 392,280 $ 514,405 OL
   Wilheim, Matt $ 620,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 620,000 $ 297,647 LB
   Willis, Patrick $ 500,000 $ 0 $ 2,057,280 $ 2,557,280 $ 3,142,280 LB
   Wragge, Tony $ 645,000 $ 0 $ 6,760 $ 651,760 $ 739,260 OL

 

 

Top 5 highest base salaries on the team

  Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
   Clements, Nate $ 3,516,666 $ 0 $ 500,000 $ 4,016,666 $ 5,683,332 CB
   Smith, Justin (DE) $ 3,500,000 $ 0 $ 5,250,000 $ 8,750,000 $ 10,583,333 DE
   Gore, Frank $ 2,500,000 $ 0 $ 1,850,000 $ 4,350,000 $ 6,264,250 RB
   Davis, Vernon $ 2,440,000 $ 0 $ 100,000 $ 2,540,000 $ 4,880,000 TE
   Crabtree, Michael $ 2,393,077 $ 0 $ 0 $ 2,393,077 $ 1,830,000 WR

 

 

Top 5 highest signing bonuses

  Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
   Jones, Brandon $ 620,000 $ 3,500,000 $ 1,280,000 $ 5,400,000 $ 2,600,000 WR
   Smith, Alex D. (QB) $ 2,000,000 $ 2,000,000 $ 7,280 $ 4,007,280 $ 5,673,946 QB
   Norris, Moran $ 745,000 $ 1,282,500 $ 224,780 $ 2,252,280 $ 1,397,280 RB
   Jennings, Brian $ 745,000 $ 1,105,000 $ 1,820 $ 1,851,820 $ 1,151,155 TE
   Spikes, Takeo $ 1,250,000 $ 1,000,000 $ 756,760 $ 3,006,760 $ 2,506,760 LB

 

 

Top 5 other bonus money

 Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
   Staley, Joe $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 12,217,280 $ 12,677,280 $ 13,527,280 OL
   Smith, Justin (DE) $ 3,500,000 $ 0 $ 5,250,000 $ 8,750,000 $ 10,583,333 DE
   Haralson, Parys $ 880,000 $ 0 $ 4,857,280 $ 5,737,280 $ 5,781,280 LB
   Lewis, Michael $ 1,900,000 $ 0 $ 3,100,000 $ 5,000,000 $ 5,000,000 S
   Balmer, Kentwan $ 385,000 $ 0 $ 2,487,500 $ 2,872,500 $ 1,517,000 DT

 

 


Top 5 against the cap

Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
   Staley, Joe $ 460,000 $ 0 $ 12,217,280 $ 12,677,280 $ 13,527,280 OL
   Smith, Justin (DE) $ 3,500,000 $ 0 $ 5,250,000 $ 8,750,000 $ 10,583,333 DE
   Gore, Frank $ 2,500,000 $ 0 $ 1,850,000 $ 4,350,000 $ 6,264,250 RB
   Haralson, Parys $ 880,000 $ 0 $ 4,857,280 $ 5,737,280 $ 5,781,280 LB
   Clements, Nate $ 3,516,666 $ 0 $ 500,000 $ 4,016,666 $ 5,683,332 CB

 

30% rule and contract extensions

To keep owners from going crazy with spending in an uncapped year there exists a rule called the 30% rule. Essentially it states that a player can not receive pay raises of more than 30% of his base salary in the last capped year. If an extension is to be done it will have to be guaranteed money. Vernon Davis' base salary in 2009 was $2.44 million. With the 30% rule in play that means he can't receive annual pay raises of more than $732,000 (30% of his 2009 base salary). 

Earlier I reported a way teams were getting around the 30% rule which was hiding salary increases in "completion bonuses". However, upon further research it seems that that is effective only in negotiations carried out before 2010. As of 2010 the 30% rule is in full force and there's not much you can do about it. The text:

30% Rule (Article XXIV, Section 8(b), pages 133-134 and 241)

Renegotiations/extensions entered into in the 2010 League Year of 2009 NFL player contracts may not increase per year from 2009 to 2010 or beyond more than 30% of 2009 Salary. For example, if 2009 Salary is $2m, the maximum Salary available in 2010 is $2.6, 2011 is $3.2m, etc. Salary for 30% Rule does NOT include amounts treated as Signing Bonus or early termination buyout prorations tied to NLTBE incentives (those tied entirely to LTBE incentives are open issue with NFL), but DOES include option extension bonus prorations.

 

Veteran Incentives (Article XXIV, Section 7(c) (xix and xxv), pages 128-129)

No rules on Veteran Incentives. However, incentives will be valued LTBE or NLTBE for 30% rule purposes in 2010 renegotiations/extensions of 2009 contracts.  

The way I read that it seems that any incentives that are counted as unlikely to be earned (say reaching the Pro Bowl or finishing top 5 in a statistical category) do not count against the 30% rule, whereas incentives that are likely to be earned (starting 90% of the snaps in a season, making the 53 man roster, etc) do count against the 30% rule.

 

Patrick Willis

That means a player like Willis can have money hidden into his contract that includes those incentives that he'll likely earn but nobody else would. 

Reports are that Willis' extension is 5 years, $50 million with $29 million guaranteed. That leaves another $21 million in salary that has to be accounted for. 

According to USA Today his base salary in 2009 was $500,000. He had $2.5 million in other bonus money that would also have counted as base salary (since it wasn't listed as signing bonus money). That's a total of $3 million in salary which means his annual pay raise could be no more than $1, 000,000. 

 

2012--$1.5 million

2013--$2.5 million

2014--$3.5 million

2015--$4.5 million

2016--$5.5 million

 

Between the signing bonus of $29 million and his salary we're still $3.5 million short, which I imagine would come in the form of incentives. 

 

One other thing worth mentioning about the guaranteed money. $29 million in one shot is quite a bit of money to be paying a guy for one year's worth of work, so teams have a way around that with a technique called "supersede signing bonus", and in fact Adam Schefter is saying that this is what happened.  Basically you've got two contracts going on. One that pays the bulk of the guaranteed  money this year, and a new contract that starts in 2011 that has a new signing bonus on it (so in reality it's a one year contract and a four year contract). This allows teams to spread the money out and the second signing bonus is only guaranteed in the case of injury, so if Willis decides to retire or hold out he won't get any of it. 

Profootball Talk is reporting that the first bonus is $15.5 million with the 2011 bonus being $4.8 million, but that doesn't add up to the reported $29 million that Willis is supposed to be guaranteed. I guess we'll have to wait and see what details emerge. 

(Thanks Fooch for the links)

 

Adam Brandt wrote about Willis' contract today and explained how it went down.

 

 The Willis deal has a total value of roughly $50M over seven years, with $29M guaranteed and a signing bonus of $15.5M.

The 53.3M of the deal is in the following form:

23M in 30% increase money
20.3M in signing bonus and supersede money
10M in easily-earned escalators

The 29M guarantee for Willis is in the following form:
15.5M signing bonus
4.8M supersede bonus (see below)
8.7M in future salary guarantees (injury only)

Thus, the Willis deal.

 

 

Now let's look at three other players that need extensions.

 

Vernon Davis

2009 salary--$2.540,000. 30% rule says only $762,000 in annual pay raises. Brent Celek just signed an 8 year deal with the Eagles worth $34 million. I think we can give VD more love than that. I think a 6 year, $40 million contract isn't out of the question. 

 

2011--$3,302,000

2012--$4,064,000

2013--$4,826,000

2014--$5.588,000

2015--$6,350,000

2016--$7,112,000

That would leave $9 million guaranteed which is a completely fair deal.

Dashon Goldson

Goldson's 2009 salary was $467,280. 30% rule says you can't give him an increase of more than $15k a year which means you're looking at $20 to $30 million to extend him. I can't see that happening, no way, no how. Here's what i think does happen. We franchise him (franchise money is guaranteed and doesn't come under the 30% rule), and that bumps his salary up to $6.445 million and suddenly we have much better numbers to work with. 

Aubrayo Franklin

2009 base salary $2,000,000. 30% rule says pay raises can only be $600,000 per year. Luckily we have two freshly signed veteran NT to give us an idea of what we can expect to pay Franklin. Wilfork signed a 5 year, $40 million deal, and Hampton signed a 3 year $21.3 million deal. Franklin has very little wear and tear on his body so I think we sign him for more than Hampton, but less than Wilfork.

My guess is a 3 year deal worth $25 million. 

2011--$2.6 million

2012--$3.2 million

2013--$3.8 million

That leaves $15.4 million guaranteed and a pretty nice salary. When you factor in the franchise tag we gave him that gives him a 4 year deal worth $34 million. 

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I believe that Willis' deal was done first to set the bar, because he is our best player and biggest assset.

By doing this we will separate the team players from the greedy ones.

"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.

by rlott#42 on May 5, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Makes sense to me

because we sure can’t afford to pay big money to all the guys who’ll want it.

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Figured I’d see if I could get some answers there.

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

you want answers?

i want the truth…you can’t handle the truth.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on May 5, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha

love that movie

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

i was wondering...

I’m not really following the news on the new stadium, but I was kind of wondering if locking up Willis was a part of creating an overall product offering that would help make the stadium a reality. seems like the niner organization would have a better time raising investor capital if they can put a face on the franchise like Pat’s.
It’s kind of a contrived correlation, but i was just trying to make sense of the extension coming 2 years ahead of the expiring rookie contract.

however, i like your take on things. clearly they want to pay the guys that want to play, and it’s sending a message to the guys who are approaching their deals.

by t p on May 5, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first hurdle is win the ballot measure..

If Santa Clara voters reject the ballot measure then the stadium will not be built. At that point the only other option is raise a ton more $ from the private sector or perhaps revisit either the NFL proposal for a joint niner / raider deal or back to square on with th city of SF..

by WC-Ninerhead on May 5, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I put that in there

Saw that this morning and it clears up a ton of things, but he mentions that the $8.7 million is easily earned incentives which I thought was against the 30% rule.

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't read the article

But when he talks about “easily earned incentives,” is he talking in general or for Willis? I mean making the Pro Bowl as an incentive is fine under the 30% rule I believe, but for Willis is a relatively easy task. Leading the team in tackles. Being top 5 in tackles in the league. All those, as I understand it, and “not likely reached” incentives by league standards, but have been accomplished by Willis 3 straight years.

So I guess it depends on who he’s referring to with the “easily earned” part.

by Sebaz49 on May 5, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is a good point

And he doesn’t specify what the incentives are

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

he said 8.7M was guaranteed salary

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by Tre9er on May 5, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

can we cut brandon jones or restructrue his salary

i mean good god 3.5 million to a guy who may not play pfffftttt

by BIG LOS on May 5, 2010 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

no kidding

with Ginn in town and Williams lookin like a player, the Niners have enough options at WR to make his salary un necessary. something’s gotta give.

by t p on May 5, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

IMO

Jones and Ziegler will be on the outs. Jones is getting paid too much money and Ziegler can’t contribute even on special teams

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought at a restructure might be doable

But if I was the brass I just don’t think it’s worth putting the effort into it. We’ve paid Jones way too much money to play the salary game with him. I was under the impression that he might still be owed some guaranteed money, but I did some research and found that apparently he’s gotten it all. He really should just be sent away happy and we move on to better things.

102 days to go. . .

by Mangoman on May 5, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about franchising Goldson...

The guy is a good safety and looks like he could do quite well this year if he progresses, but he’s only started for one year and I don’t think he deserves a huge contract. I agree with what rlott said above about seperating the greedy from the team guys, but I think Goldson is going to fall under those greedy guys.

by 9thevolution on May 5, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah but if we cut guys like bradon jones we just freed up 5 million

and give it to guys like goldson or lawson (maybe)…..goldson was a impact player all season

by BIG LOS on May 5, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know enough about Goldson as a person to dispute the greedy assumption, but if he has a good season and shows improvement, I would not mind franchising him.

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by madmatt on May 5, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why you franchise him for one year

see if his production continues before giving him a contract.

And I agree—I think he’s going to want a huge contract

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think if he has a big year like last year he deserves one

his stats are better then kerry rhodes and Micheal griffin and nick collins (who made the probowl )

by BIG LOS on May 5, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah we're likely to use the tag on someone...

and I really don’t think it’s Lawson. Smith would receive way too much money for one season with a franchise tag, so we can’t use it on him if we want to. I suppose that leaves Goldson as the only player worthy of it, because I doubt they allow Davis to even consider free agency.

Here’s a question for you, think they’ll use the franchise and transition tag after this year? Remember that we’ll also have to sign Franklin, so Davis might get the franchise and Goldson gets the transition tag.

by 9thevolution on May 5, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it will be in the new CBA

and I think we’ll be able to get a new deal done with VD. I think he wants to play in San Francisco too much

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

just a thought

if Byham kicks ass blocking and shows his underrated hands enough this year, coupled with Delanie Walker’s athleticism, do you think the fact that Davis has talented guys to potentially replace him would put him on the back burner to Goldson’s deal? I’m just saying can you shove Reggie Smith in there and not expect a big dropoff in play versus Delanie Walker and Byham?

Just open for debate is all.

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by Tre9er on May 5, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 guys are gonna replace 1

You know no matter how talented a team is you can only have 11 people on the field.

by manraj7 on May 5, 2010 3:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well one is a blocker one is a receiver. So, in a sense, yeah, 2 guys replace 1. Its a situational thing.

by jonesin25 on May 6, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Alex Smith. He has a great year (or improved year) he’ll be the 1st player the team franchises to prevent from hitting the market.

by bignerd on May 5, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he has a great year I think we do a new deal

maybe give him back some of that money that he gave back to us with his restructured deal

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

I think he would just be offered a new deal. I just can’t see him playing at a level that earns him the franchise tag, that is just waaay to much money which we have already paid him. That he didn’t exactly earn. If he does what it takes to stick around, he’ll get a new deal, and from Alex I would expect it to be a fair one, he is clearly not greedy.

by jonesin25 on May 6, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Smiley

I think your 2012 number has to be based upon the 2011 salary plus 30% of 2009’s. I believe the 30% is added to the previous year’s salary.

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by Tre9er on May 5, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

besides, those numbers have to be bigger

to get to 23M of new 30% money as Brandt mentions. Something like this if the 23M just represents the extension:

 $3,067,184.00 2012
 $3,834,368.00 2013
 $4,601,552.00 2014
 $5,368,736.00 2015
 $6,135,920.00 2016

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by Tre9er on May 5, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

My understanding is that the 2011 salary

can’t be more than 30% of the 2009 salary

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

what happened to 2010?

if this whole thing is starting in 2011 it’s not just a 5-year extension, it’s a restructuring of the final year and then a 5 year extension.

Also, yes, the 30% is taken from 2009’s salary…but I believe it’s added to the previous year’s salary. Otherwise they could add 5 years to a deal that didn’t expire for 5 more years and they’d only be able to start off at 1.3 times the 2009 salary in 5 years? That would be weak.

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by Tre9er on May 6, 2010 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

do you know Willis 2011 base salary number?

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by Tre9er on May 5, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Good God

Brandon Jones is getting $5 mill this year? And a couple other over paid players Michael Lewis and Nate Clements are getting a LOT of moolah!!!
Lewis and Clements are not replaceable as of this moment so I don’t think they get the axe but Jones has to get cut that is just way too much money to pay for someone who doesn’t contribute in a starters role. Maybe someone already mentioned it but I wanted to say it again.
Also, we are stealing time with Goldson, Tarell Brown, Ahmad Brooks, and Franklin to some degree. They are all making in the area of 500,000 except Franklin who is around $2 mil but even that is under paying for a good NT. These are all solid contributors who are going to want to get paid next year. This is a scary time for the Niners. We trying to build our Dominant defense and if we can’t keep these guys around we will have to find suitable replacements.

by crumpedup15 on May 5, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

This is 2009 salary, not 2010

but your point is still valid.

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Michael Lewis is NOT being overpaid.

I’m all for Mays being his successor but Lewis does what we ask of him flawlessly. Last season he was everywhere.

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by James Brady on May 5, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's a hard hit away from retirement

so in that case, yes I think he is overpaid

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone is.

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by James Brady on May 5, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

not everyone had 3 concussions last year

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
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by goatfather on May 6, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

not so much overpaid

until Mays proves he can supplant him. Then it’s ludicrous to pay them both when we have so many others to sign.

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by Tre9er on May 6, 2010 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Something that pops out...

How does Joe Staley get over 12 million in “other bonus”. Seems a tad crazy…

by NinerFanInItaly on May 5, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

He extended his contract last year

9 years $43.66 million. Other bonus is likely a roster bonus or something like that.

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Staley got an extension?

Where have I been?? That’s a fair price for a player llike him. He’s very good but not dominant.

by crumpedup15 on May 5, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup I thought it was a great deal too

Fair to everybody and if we end up moving him to the right side (not saying it’s gonna happen or even in the talks) we won’t be overpaying a RT

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They actually paid Thomas Clayton?

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by Drew Kerr on May 5, 2010 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Clayton

He was under contract before getting hurt. He got hurt and the team ended up releasing him, but they still had to pay him his salary.

by David Fucillo on May 5, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the only way you can get out of paying a guy his salary

is if he’s cut due to performance. If it’s injury related he still gets the money

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by smileyman on May 5, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he going to be in camp? Or is he already?

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by Drew Kerr on May 5, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I saw somewhere that he was

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by Drew Kerr on May 5, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clayton

They didn’t tender him a contract, making him an unrestricted free agent. Certainly possible they sign him back, but I’d think he would want to try and hook on somewhere he has a chance of making the roster.

by David Fucillo on May 5, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah they gave him an injury settlement and he hit the road.

by jonesin25 on May 6, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

well the deal isn’t my 10 year, $100 million one i wanted but is still good to keep him duhhh

Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season

by MichaelClutchtree on May 5, 2010 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

lawson skipping workouts to get a better deal

$$$$$$ oh boy here we go….

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im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

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by remembering9ergods on May 5, 2010 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Crabtree's deal

did they count the whole SB towards the cap in year 1? Also how is his Cap number lower than his base salary? I could see it being lower than total salary with bonus/incentives but…

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by Tre9er on May 6, 2010 5:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Goldson

His pay increase rate is still $15K per year but the starting point is the franchise salary number. If that’s what you’re saying then see my comment to you above about Willis. 30% of 2009 salary, but it’s added to the previous year’s salary…not 2009’s (unless contract starts with 2010 year)

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