Will James reportedly agrees to terms with 49er
by Since79 on May 5, 2010 6:38 PM PDT
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PrintFooch's Note: While this is not a monster signing, given the 49ers relative lack of depth at cornerback means this could be an intriguing signing. James will be battling with Karl Paymah and Keith Smith for Marcus Hudson playing time. The team added Phillip Adams, but I see him probably ending up on the practice squad.
I feel good about this. Another Coach Sing "smash mouth" guy who's not a bad back up CB option. The D is coming together! Although I wouldn't mind seeing another DE pass rusher in case the DE spot opposite Smith becomes a weakness. Other than that, baring injuries of course, the defense should be in good shape, ya think?
Where are our other weaknesses on defense and offense that you think should be filled or supplemented by signing a veteran before the season starts? Who else would you like to see us pick up?
By the way, I became a Van fan today. Did you see those returns on the video post? Holy Creeps! This kid is the second coming of. . . Kory Sheets! . . . Seriously, I have a good feeling about that kid -- Van I mean!
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Depth is always good, as well as the addition of competition.....
Any idea of the status of Walk Harris and Dre Bly?
True
But he CAN drop down into the slot and man cover receivers very well.
I hope Taylor Maykeyoucryifyoucomeoverthemiddle (too much?) can develop his man cover skills.
I didn't know Earl Thomas could play Right Tackle.
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by Hoopers Judge on May 5, 2010 10:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
William James ranked #13 CB by CBS
13th ranked CB in the NFL by CBS…of course, they have Darrelle Revis at #17, and Nnamdi Asomugha at #159, so take that for what it’s worth.
nothing
if they have Asomugha at #159…is that from his rookie year? Still too low
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It's based on stats and thse that aren't thrown at don't have stats.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
yes, im hoping van makes the team
having him and ginn returning kickoffs and punts could make for some easy points and some excitement
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by remembering9ergods on May 5, 2010 6:59 PM PDT reply actions
The team added Phillip Adams, but I see him probably ending up on the practice squad.
Shucks… you mean Nate Davis can’t play CB in practice anymore? What good is he now?
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I'm wondering if this means no more Bly
which I would hate. I like what Bly did for us.
I was right, you were wrong.
The Bly being Bly play in which he fumbled doomed him, but I would have brought him back he had the best year of any CB, WTF?
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
NO
Spencer had the best year of any CB
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on May 5, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
yes really.
Spencer was our best CB last season.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre... contemplating a crime.
yes, really
why do you think he always covered the #1 receiver every play? he might not have had the “stats” but Spencer had the #1 spot from week 1-16.
I think he is gonna challenge for the 3rd CB spot, I have no faith in what's his name?
Texas DB’s have a nack for playing like prostitutes, they suck!!
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Our 3rd CB spot, Brown I think
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
I don't see it.
He isn’t a good tackler, Bly took his spot last year, and he rarely made plays, I think that 3rd CB spot is up for grabs mid-season. If not for time in the system him being number 3 would be a long shot. It’s just my opinion.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Uh..
You didn’t even know his name and you’re going to analyze his play? Ok.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre... contemplating a crime.
Yeah I am, it's not my fault I think his play was forgettable last year.
CHild Please
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Brown is #3 by default.
I can see him being bumped to #4 if someone steps up.
Or #1 if Clements continues his poor play.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on May 5, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree
Brown doesn’t have any kind of strangle hold on the Nickel spot. He’s got a little time in the system is all. He was up and down and unspectacular last year. They wont hand him the job. I hope he steps up and earns it.
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Here it is guys
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/4/25/1444453/leroy-vann-is-our-future
Right now it seems far-fetched, but it would be amazing if we could find a way to have a triple threat of him, Ginn and Kyle Williams during the regular season.
102 days to go. . .
`I thought by “Video Post” he meant some footage of Vann in 49ers practices…
while Vann did seem super fast, he was playing against pretty inferior competition.
Just a thought on CBs
I think most of us can agree that Clements has been a bit of a disappointment, given how much we’re paying him. Could part of his subpar performance be because of the pressure of being, and being paid like a #1 CB/? Now that Spencer has stepped up as the #1 CB, can this be Clements’ year to shine as a #2? If he can be above average as a 2, Brown as our solid nickel back, and one of the rookies can take on the #4 role, then I’d be a lot more confident about the CB sitiation.
Clements
His problem is that he doesn’t have the speed he used to have. He is old for an NFL player and th receivers are fast and big. What Nate CAN do is man cover a receiver for about 3 sometimes 4 seconds very well. After that he loses them and if they are going deep he can’t keep up forever becuase of the speed issue. Our pass rush was not very good at times often giving the opposing QB as much as 5 to 6 seconds to throw.
Everyone remember the Giants Superbowl team? They didn’t have very good cover corners but they didn’t need to cover for longer than 3 seconds max. A good pass rush makes the secondary look much better.
This is a team game as we seem to forget
If Clements can cover a wide receiver for 3-4 seconds he is doing his job well. What he didn’t have behind him was the effective free safety that could help out on a deep route—-think Mark Roman. With a decent pass rush, which I think we have now, and a decent deep FS, which we do have now, I think we will be very pleases with Clements this year. And he is still one of the best CBs in the league on run coverage.
by seafood lover on May 6, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't have a deep safety just yet. The FS can't cover both sides of the field.
SS was the issue in coverage.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
I'm really not on that bandwagon
I’m fine with Nate. Big contract free agent CBs hardly ever live up to fans expectations. He’s a legitimate apart of the defense and CBs aren’t easy to replace.
Im not on this bandwagon either.
Clements is fine. All the crap people gave him last year was way overblown.
To add on
Green Bay wasn’t exactly happy with Charles Woodson the year prior and he ended up winning Defensive MVP. Darren Sharper was run out of Minnesota before joining the Saints. What I am trying to say is DBs have hot and cold seasons, not an arc like every other defensive position.
Why do you think Philip Adams will end up on the pc?
by Jaxson876 on May 5, 2010 7:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
he has to beat out a few veterans
like Smith, Paymah, James (at least one of them). IIRC we rostered 5 CB’s last year?
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Good Signing
this is that way i see it playing out.
Releasing or trading Michael Robinson. Keeping LeRoy Vann as a special teamer.
Corner back depth
1. Nate Clements
2. Shawntae Spencer
3. Tarell Brown
4. William James
5. Karl Paymah
James had a real solid season for the Lions in 2009, starting 14 games recording 74 tackles- 15 passes defended-2int-td
Not bad for a 4th corner.
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"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
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by nocal81(Vincent) on May 5, 2010 8:01 PM PDT reply actions
I could live with that line up
had no idea James had that solid a sseason
I was right, you were wrong.
He's been reasonably consistent when healthy
Last season was arguably is best. We can only hope he performs near or above that level.
102 days to go. . .
That CB line up..................
Is PATHETIC.
I bet the 1st 2 picks next year will be a cb and a safety that can acutally cover someone.
lol that is true
I can really only think of 2…maybe 3 off the top of my head. I like the Jets, Raiders and I like the way Miami’s future is looking with their backfield. Of course Green Bays isn’t to shabby either. I haven’t had so much a problem with our CBs, I have felt our safeties have had the most let downs in coverage.
spectacular CB's
aren’t necessary. yeah, they’re nice, but rare and not absolutely needed. Safeties and pass rush along with CB’s are all equally important parts of the pass defense. Our safety play will get better as will the pass rush.
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point being
good teams have solid, veteran guys who can do just enough. There aren’t many Revis or Nnamdi’s out there
Coaches teach technique, they can't teach speed. Taylor Mays will be just fine.
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most importantly
if someone get’s hurt, we have 4 decent CB’s.
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Where are Walt Harris and Dre Bly?
Bly played pretty well last year, minus the whole showboat-fumble incident (and the dropping of Favre’s pick six to seal the win!!)
I can see them passing on Harris
he really didn’t do much for us. I really don’t get why we haven’t resigned Bly yet.
I was right, you were wrong.
I'd take Smoot over both of them.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Yeah I'm really doubting with this signing that either one is back this season
Bly would be going into his 12th year and if the brass was crazy enough to re-sign Harris he’d be in his 13th (including being out all of last year.) Stranger things have happened though. Darrell Green was basically a 20 season freak of nature!
102 days to go. . .
Who else?
I agree, I’d like to see Dre Bly back with the 49ers. He had a swagger that was appealing — not obnoxious like TO, but just out there having fun (minus “the play”). I think he helped the other 10 guys stay loose, and I remember a few 3rd down play he made where I really felt he came through big time.
Meanwhile, other than Dre, who else is out there that you might want to see us pick up? Is Pitts out of the question now? Do we really feel the other guard spot is a lock? I don’t.
And what about Greg Ellis? Over-kill? Can he play DE? If so, wow, I think that could fill a weakness. Who else? (Any QBs out there? — only kidding. :) )
What and who do we still need?
That's the reason these guys are DBs...
Still I just can’t get over the fact that these grown men/professional athletes can’t catch a damn football that hits them right in the face.
you try catching something that hits YOU in the face.
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I don't know why
call it a gut feeling, but I think Chilo Rachal has a lot of pent up angst about how he was victimized the last few years. I think he’s going to play with a controlled fury and really hurt some people this year
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We need to sign NT/AF. We have no one of note to replace him.
Four years $32-35mil. Ten mil just to sign your name. The D needs HIM!
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Way too soon.
Hes still a bit of a one-year wonder at this point, and isnt very young either. This season will determine wether or not he gets paid next season or evens stays on the 49ers.
I agree...
I can forsee next years draft probably targeting a big NT or DB in the first, if not first two rounds.
We could be looking at one in each position for those first two
Or maybe going NT in 3rd/4th. There aren’t a lot of NT type prospects it seems out there (as usual). Glancing about here’s what I see on the way way early NT front:
Jerrell Powe – far and ahead the top NT prospect could be gone by the time we pick
Kendrick Ellis, Hampton – Could end up 2-3 round or maybe go to 4th.
Phil Taylor, Baylor – Weight problems and such – could go late 3rd to early 5th it looks like about now.
two guys to keep an eye on this season in college. Anthony Gray, Southern Miss, Lawton Scott Ole Miss.
If by some freak of luck we were able to get someone like Ras Dowling with our first and Jerrell Powe in the second then we should thank the football gods but even Kendall in the 3 or 4th would be good. I might try to get a chance to see him in some games this year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on May 6, 2010 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I think he and RJF will get long looks in preseason and possibly over some portion of the regular season
Franchising Aubrayo was arguably the best way to make sure he got a good look and not risk losing him altogether. I still think he can and may very well get a two or three year deal, but I think the coaches just want to make sure RJF or someone else won’t do something to mess up the program.
102 days to go. . .
RJF needs to put on weight
muscle, strength.
Camp really will be the first idea we have of who can hold the point at NT. Against Heitmann, Iupati, Rachal…
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Walt Harris
They need to keep Walt Harris because every team should have someone called Walt. In other name news, Will James sounds like a sheriff from a western.
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by LondonNiner on May 5, 2010 11:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
dont forget about "The Law Firm"
of Clements, Spencer, Goldson and Mays
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Mays is Jewish, so I heard
Maystein?
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Goldson is a Jewish name.
"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary
At Clements, Spencer, Mays and Goldson
our Corners know how to Press (coverage) Charges.
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On the o-side
we need in my opinion a veteran presence at the wr position one that knows what to do when crunch time arrives, also on the D-side I am in favor of resigning Walt Harris, since he has done a pretty good job covering the wr’s on the opposite side, and to say he is injury prone considering he was out only last year with a bad break for him.
This
And personally I don’t think injured players should be cut (or not resigned I suppose) until we know whether or not they are going to be the same player again. Certainly Walt Harris is old, but he’s been old for the past few years. Even though it gets more and more likely that he’ll show signs of his age as he gets older, until we know he can’t do it anymore (i.e. we see him in camp and it’s obvious he’s not good enough to be on the team) we should keep him.
Harris issn't cut
I believe he simply hasn’t been re-signed…he’s a UFA
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Hey Fooch II
Wondering why you think Phillip Adams will end up on the practice squad? All I’ve been able to find out is that he’s from a very small school with almost no useable tape to review. Also, he’s good size, fast with an aggressive streak. Anything else you could share would be appreciated.
by Jaxson876 on May 6, 2010 6:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Adams
He certainly could make the roster, but it depends on what the team is looking for from the veterans they’ve brought in at cornerback. Three spots are locked up (Spencer, Clements, T. Brown). That leaves one or two CB spots at most and I don’t know if a 7th round pick is gonna be able to crack the 53-man roster at this point. It’d be nice if he did, but we’ll see.
by David Fucillo on May 6, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Stoudamire
I think Patrick Stoudamire has a better shot than any of the other three guys. But I will need to see Adams play first obviously before I can confirm that prediction.
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I feel this way too
but I was waiting for someone more credible to chime in. I too agree though that at this point it’s just a gut feeling without seeing them both play.
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question is
can we polish a diamond from either of these guys or are we still in the CB market hot and heavy in 2011 (like we thought we would be in 2010)?
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I"m guessing we will still be in the market
Unless Stoud shows out the gate to be a stud I think we’ll be getting one in the 1-3 round and probably more chance of higher than lower.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on May 11, 2010 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions
CB's
We’ll see how it plays out but I think Clements has a lot to offer. great tackler and forces turn over, BUT he does get burnt sometimes. Spencer just keeps getting better and watch out for T.Brown I think he;s only getting better.
We all now we have good CB’s not great ones. This is why I think good game planning with our hard hitting safetys is going to be a fun thing to do and see. I can see it now…. CB’s let the WR’s run the post over the middle and BAMMMMMMM Mays or Goldston knocks them out!!!
We have soooo many hitters now even our corners, Sing now has his Fhysical team on offense and defense, lets see what he can do with it…
Good signing...
This is giving the team the same thing they were looking for in Dre Bly last year. He brings experience and is coming off a productive season. Despite his age, if he can play at that level this year, you might see him challenging for more than just the #3 CB spot.
Either way, I think this will make me more comfortable about our corner situation this year.
and 30 isn't real old
for a CB
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wouldve looked good as our nickel corner this year
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"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
It would have to be a re-negotiation done in regards to that ridiculous salary.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
The Rai-duhs would probably trade him for just a 2nd rounder
As said above though, that contract is a problem.
by 9thevolution on May 13, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
why the heck did they ever do that deal with him?
I hate big time deals to CB’s. You’re never going to get your money’s worth.
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